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About two hours from Paris, the body of 23-year-old Sylviane Lesage was found in a pasture. The case fell into the hands of Constable Christian Jambert. He was considered an outstanding policeman and a dogged investigator for the National Gendarmerie. Constable Jambert began hearing stories of girls that had gone missing in and around Auxerre in the Department of Yonne, just up the road from Rouvray. But they weren’t just any girls. They were teenagers and students, children of the DDASS or Dahs. The missing girls were either foster children who were given up at birth or children who lived in a home for the disabled. They either had no immediate biological family, or their families could not care for them.Besides the school, the girls had one thing in common. Bus driver Emile Louis.Join Jen & Cam as they discuss The Missing Women of Yonne.P.S. Please excuse Jen's french pronunciations. A big thank you to our team:Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenAlso, a HUGE shout out to Julian the Frenchman on youtube. He helped a heck of a lot.Sources:https://www.newspapers.com/image/752433788/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/753122933/?terms=Emile%20Louis%20Yonne&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/469217621/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Yonne&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/496382773/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Yonne&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/260712037/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Auxerre&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/259470223/?terms=%22Emile%20Louis%22%20Auxerre&match=1https://www-radiofrance-fr.translate.goog/franceinter/podcasts/affaires-sensibles/emile-louis-les-disparues-de-l-yonne-5803245?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=schttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Louishttps://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/louis-emile.htmhttps://www.francethisway.com/top10lists/frenchcriminals/emilelouis.phphttps://www.wikiwand.com/en/%C3%89mile_Louishttps://gettotext.com/emile-louis-the-butcher-of-yonne-disconcerting-interview-with-his-daughter-it-weighs-very-heavy/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is December 23, 1999, in Easley, South Carolina, located right outside Greenville. People were getting ready to celebrate the holidays by cooking, cleaning, and wrapping goodies for loved ones. One of those getting ready to welcome family for a celebration was 87-year-old Martha Browning. Martha was always a hard worker and started working at the local mill at 12 years old. Like most grandmothers, Martha loved her family and fed them until they burst. As Martha was prepping for company, her 34-year-old granddaughter Deanna Tinsley came to town a bit early to help her out, and others would be arriving throughout the day. Her home was a place of love and welcomed anyone that wanted to come by. As the two of them were taking a moment to relax before the hustle began again, a man walked into the home and sat down in a chair. The beginning of a real-life nightmare is about to start for these two ladies, but little did they know this was the last stop for a man responsible for the unthinkable. Join Jen and Cam on “Our True Crime Podcast’ as we discuss “The Stranger in my Home:Carolina Killer” LD by the fantastic Edward October from @octoberpodVHS All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdream Sources:https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2019/12/23/20-years-ago-dallen-bounds-killed-4-greenville-sc-victims-then-shot-himself/2673293001/https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bounds-dallen.htmhttps://dbpedia.org/page/Dallen_Boundshttps://skdb.fandom.com/wiki/BOUNDS_Dallen_Forresthttps://horrorhistory.net/2019/12/23/man-kills-ex-girlfriend-her-ex-husband-then-self/https://thecinemaholic.com/how-did-dallen-bounds-die-where-is-casandra-laster-now/https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4502292https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60525/?name=Dallen_Bounds&pcat=bmd_death&qh=00efb62f88105f3e8178f4774f82d546https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B091HLPNCD/ref=atv_hm_hom_1_c_lZOsi7_2_4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today's episode is a Listener Request! Thanks to Christina Young for her request.Big thanks to Wondery and The Generation Why Podcast for sponsoring this episode Make sure you go listen to Justin and Aaron. They are amazing.Down the road from Costco, past the Hobby Lobby, and the Chick-fil-A. stood a home on Knob Hill Drive that was in stark contrast to its surroundings. It was filthy and run-down, with a stench that assaulted people before they even reached the front porch. Once you made it to the porch, visitors were welcomed with a black door covered with symbols of a skull, crossbones, and an inverted cross. A community watch area sign warned that police were not welcome. “Evil Will Triumph” was written in bold white capital letters.This was the home of Pazuzu Algarad. A self-proclaimed satanist who filed his teeth to sharp points and drank the blood of animals during the “dark moon.” He allowed—and even encouraged—people to engage in drug use, orgies, and murder, in his own home.He's also was responsible for the deaths of Joshua Frederick Wetzler and Tommy Dean Welch, along with being convicted for accessory after the fact for the death of Joseph Emmrick Chandler.Join Jen and Cam as they discuss The Gatekeeper of Hell: Pazuzu AlgaradPromo by OctoberpodVHS- Check out his Halloween Potluck episode now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aluYQB0t3bYA big thank you to our team:Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://journalnow.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/an-evil-anniversary-the-pazuzu-algarad-case-broke-7-years-ago/collection_292ce4e8-2c4a-11ec-8ee9-4b12c64e7c9a.html#17https://allthatsinteresting.com/pazuzu-algaradhttps://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/crime-history/who-is-suburban-satanist-pazuzu-algarad-and-what-is-he-known-forhttps://en.celebrity.tn/what-happened-to-pazuzus-mother/https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/contests/creepy-human-remains-animal-sacrificing-take-a-look-inside-the-home-of-a-devil-worshiper/521-1ed95e6b-0dd6-4ca0-9e78-8a7ca0033f73https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07X3Y57J8/ref=atv_hm_hom_1_c_lZOsi7_2_4https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/645993345/?terms=Pazuzu%20Algarad&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed to a small town named Woodacre which is located right outside of San Francisco, California. It is Marin County which is beautiful if you have never been there, truly postcard pretty. The town is a small community where the center of the action is a bar named The Paper Mill Saloon where the locals meet to catch up and unwind. Bartender Jennifer Villarin worked hard to make all the patrons welcome. It was August 2nd, 2000 and Jim had brought Jenny dinner and Jenny closed up the bar around 11 pm. The two made their way home. It was right around 5 am when the neighborhood heard gunshots ring out. The police were called to the residence and arrived on the scene to discover two people had been shot and killed. The studio apartment was located behind a house, meaning that the killer had to know that an apartment was located. Jim Gamble's body was on the ground next to the bed as if he got out of bed when he was shot. Jenny was in bed. Both had no clothes on. The only evidence that they found was 9 mm-caliber gunshot shells which they believe came from a semi-automatic pistol. Two were used for Jenny and four were used for Jim. The community was in shock as no one could imagine killing this much loved couple. Before all is said and done, there would be five victims and a bizarre tale of worship, fraud and murder. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Children of Thunder: Cult Killers.”Listener discretion is by our bestie @octoberpodVHSAll music is done by our other bestie and executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreamsPromo this week is by our friends at TSFU podcast. @https://tsfuthepodcast.comSources:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-nude-model-five-bodies-and-the-mormon-assassination-plot-attempt-732255.htmlhttp://articles.latimes.com/2000/aug/11/news/mn-2726https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Justin-Helzer-hangs-himself-in-prison-4436354.phphttps://people.com/crime/helzer-brothers-stockbroker-turned-cult-killer-people-magazine-investigates/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/guitarists-daughter-linked-to-plot/https://www.karisable.com/crhelzer.htmhttps://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/helzer-brothers.htmhttp://serialkillersink.net/skistore/glenn-helzer-children-of-thunder-cult-handwritten-letter-and-envelope-rare.html?set_language=en-UShttps://www.mercurynews.com/2010/01/22/justin-helzer-attempts-death-row-suicide-by-jamming-pens-in-his-eyes/https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2010/02/05/justin-helzer-back-in-prison-after-suicide-try/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On January 4th, 1997, two eight-year-old boys were playing in the parkwhen they came upon what they thought was a pile of clothing. When they realized it was a body, they ran to tell their parents, who immediatelycalled the police.After identifying the body as twenty-year-old Kim Wilson, police go to the Wilson residence to notify her family. When Detective Gomes arrived at the house, he saw cars in the driveway and all the Christmas lights twinkling, but no one answered the door. Walking around the house, he noticed the sliding door was ajar. Detective Gomes goes in prepared for a robbery; he is shocked to find the rest of Kim's family was killed in a brutal attack.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the Bellevue Murders: The Wilson Family.Promo by Missing Persons PodcastA big thank you to our team:Listener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19970108&slug=2517720https://www.swordandscale.com/the-wilson-family-murders/https://groups.google.com/g/alt.true-crime/c/EcUronujstY?pli=1http://www.crimemagazine.com/gothic-murders-0https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/video/the-real-story-with-maria-elena-salinas-investigation-discovery/a-parents-nightmarehttps://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19970116&slug=2519043https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/juvenile-life-without-parole/https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/805503046/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/201862385/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/503547838/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/201861224/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/740517637/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/805533107/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/740101339/?terms=Alex%20Baranyi&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is a parent’s worst nightmare. The abduction of a child is more than traumatic but what if two of your children simply disappeared. That is precisely what happened on March 25, 1975, when 12-year-old Sheila Lyon and her little sister, 10-year-old Katherine departed from their home to walk ½ mile to the local shopping mall in Wheaton, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, DC. The girls made it to the mall but never made it home, they would never be seen again. This case has many twists and turns, but a dogged investigator and his team refused to give up. This is the story of The Lyon Sisters. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Little Girls Lost: The Lyon Sisters.” Listener discretion by the remarkably talented Edward October from @octoberpodVHS All music is by our fabulous executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams A big thanks to Mark Bowden and his book The Last Stone which did a great job telling the story of Katie and Sheila Lyon. Get it wherever you get your books or on Amazon as a Kindle or Audible edition. Sources: Bowden, Mark (April 2, 2019). The Last Stone. New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, an imprint of Grove/Atlantic. ISBN 9780802147301.https://www.amazon.com/Last-Stone-Masterpiece-Criminal-Interrogation/dp/0802147305‘Who Killed the Lyon Sisters” https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13370308/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/04/01/feature/the-lyon-sisters-had-vanished-40-years-earlier-but-this-cold-case-team-didnt-give-up-on-them/https://wtop.com/local/2017/03/the-investigation-continues-lyon-sisters/http://wtop.com/local/2015/07/after-indictment-new-information-expected-in-lyon-sisters-disappearance/slide/1/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lyon-sisters-case-lloyd-lee-welch-pleads-guilty-to-1975-murders-of-2-maryland-girls/http://wset.com/news/local/man-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-lyon-sisters-in-1975https://web.archive.org/web/20071001001513/https://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/143626632.html?dids=143626632:143626632&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=May+23%2C+1975&author=By+Deborah+Sue+YaegerWashington+Post+Staff+Writer&pub=The+Washington+Post++(1974-Current+file)&edition=&startpage=B1&desc=Md.+Guardsmen+to+Join+Hunt+for+Lyon+Sistershttps://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/investigators-prepare-announcement-in-1975-missing-girls-case/2015/07/14/2ca2e68c-2a2f-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Situated in the middle of a wild and beautiful outdoor playground, the town ofSmithers, British Columbia, Canada, rests at the foot of the luminous Hudson BayMountain. The town is located halfway between Prince George and Prince Rupert alongthe 450-mile evergreen-lined Highway 16. Currently, most of the inhabitants of Smithersare of European descent. The First Nations people, notably the Wet’suwet’en, called this land home for thousands of years. Now there are only about 8% of the current population are First Nations people.And even though the entire area of the Bulkley Valley is untamed, wild, andpeacefully scenic, there is another, darker side of the valley. All along Highway 16 arebillboards with the following warning: Girls Don’t Hitchhike on the Highway of Tears.Killer on the Loose.Ramona Wilson was sixteen and a member of the Gitxsan nation. She was looking forward to going to a dance with several of her friends on a cool and calm evening in June of 1994, but she never made it to the dance. She simply vanished into the inky-blue twilight.Unfortunately, she's not the only one.Join Cam & Jen as we discuss Ramona Wilson, MMIWG, and the Highway of Tears.If you have any info about Ramona Wilson or any of the other 18 women mentioned in this episode, please call the British Columbia Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477.Promo from Murder in My FamilyThanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://www.cbc.ca/missingandmurdered/mmiw/profiles/ramona-lisa-wilsonhttps://zeph456.medium.com/who-killed-ramona-wilson-650858327d16https://thehueandcry.com/ramona-wilsonhttps://www.todayinbc.com/news/ramona-wilson-memorial-walk-twenty-five-years-but-still-no-closure/https://hazlitt.net/feature/death-and-afterlife-ramona-wilsonhttp://www.justicefornativewomen.com/2016/05/the-unsolved-murder-of-ramona-wilson.html?m=1https://www.interior-news.com/news/ramona-wilson-parade-marks-26th-anniversary-of-teens-disappearance/https://www.interior-news.com/news/ramona-wilson-memorial-walk-twenty-five-years-but-still-no-closure/https://www.cbc.ca/missingandmurdered/mmiw/profiles/ramona-lisa-wilsonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZkus8Rsmghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTW67EMWHu4&t=931shttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141655028/ramona-lisa-wilsonhttps://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cc-afn/wilson-ramona-eng.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tearshttps://www.cftktv.com/27th-annual-ramona-wilson-memorial-walk-held-in-smithers-1.5470349https://about.rogers.com/news-ideas/working-together-to-support-safe-passage-along-the-highway-of-tears-for-indigenous-women-like-ramona-lisa-wilson/https://www.mmiwg-ffada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/20181128_MMIWG_Prince_George_B._Wilson_Statement_Vol_602_Public.pdfhttps://globalnews.ca/news/1447495/bc-crimestoppers-the-case-of-missing-16-year-old-ramona-wilson-of-smithers/https://www.tv-eh.com/2016/09/16/taken-highway-of-tears-ramona-wilson-and-alberta-williams/https://www.wcls.org/book-buzz-highway-of-tears/https://www.oas.org/en/iachr/reports/pdfs/indigenous-women-bc-canada-en.pdfhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/508837116/?terms=Ramona%20Wilson&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/508837781/?terms=Ramona%20Wilson&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/508830047/?terms=Ramona%20Wilson&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/legacy/508833476/?terms=Ramona%20Wilson&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is Jan. 9, 2002, in Oregon City, Oregon, 12-year-old Ashley Pond left her home to walk to the bus stop for Gardiner Middle School. Ashley was hurrying as she was going to be late and miss the bus stop located approximately 10 minutes from her home. Ashley was popular in school but what she loved most was dance. She was on the school’s dance team, The Fallen Angels. The team would be rehearsing that day for the big competition they had coming up. Since she was late, Ashley started running as she didn’t want to miss school. Little did her loved ones know, that she would never make it to the bus nor arrive at school. Ashley simply disappeared and she would not be the only one.Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast entitled The Missing Girls: Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis.Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS Music and EP by @wetalkofdreams Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXnb_6jvg3chttps://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Miranda_Gaddis_and_Ashley_Pondhttps://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/503896-402986-potential-news-for-convicted-murderers-in-weaver-familyhttps://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/ward_f_weaver_born_1963_8641619https://thecinemaholic.com/ashley-pond-and-miranda-gaddis-murders-where-is-ward-weaver-now/https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2014/02/ward_weaver_iii_like_his_fathe.htmlhttp://thetribonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=26369http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jun/28/science/sci-weaver28https://www.cbsnews.com/news/step-by-step-in-oregon-killer-case/http://articles.latimes.com/2002/mar/14/news/mn-32788http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2216310.stmhttp://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2014/06/prosecutors_to_present_case_ag.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20110707161918/http://www.argusobserver.com/articles/2007/05/07/news/news03.txtO'Neal, Linda; Watson, Rick; Tennyson, Philip (2007). The Missing Girls: A Shocking True Story of Abduction and Murder. Macmillan. ISBN 978-0-312-94161-1. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Back in 2018, we covered this case with our first episode of The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. It is the most infamous unsolved murder in the state of Missouri. The case is open, and the child's identity is still unknown.It was February 1983 when two men entered the basement of 5635 Clemens Avenue, a derelict and vacant apartment building in northwest St. Louis, and stumble upon a grisly scene that would haunt the authorities and the community for years. The 40th year anniversary is upon us, and a St. Louis local is fighting to get St Louis’ Jane Doe, known as Precious Hope, not only her name but the justice she deserves. Listen now on this special Our True Crime Podcast episode as we speak to Edrar ‘Bird’ Sosa, director of the documentary “Our Previous Hope Revisited: St Louis’ Jane Doe,” which is premiering on Amazon Prime on September 15, 2022. IMDB info: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21662982/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

****Content Warning**** Sexual Assault****Cape Town, South Africa: In the early hours of May 27, 2017, Hannah Cornelius drove her friend Cheslin Marsh home after a night out. Before Cheslin could say goodbye, four men hijacked the car at knifepoint and kidnapped the two Stellenbosch University students. Cheslin was beaten with bricks and left to die. The gang members brutally assaulted Hannah and then murdered her in a senseless, brutal, and barbaric attack.The gang members would then go on a crime spree in Hannah's car until the police finally caught them.Please join Cam and Jen as we discuss Hell Ride: Hannah Cornelius. **Jen apologizes in advance if she pronounced anything incorrectly. She really tried!A HUGE thank you to Nicole from True Crime South Africa for helping us get the court documents.Thanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:The foundation was set up in Hannah’s name by her mother, Anna.https://hcfoundation.org.za/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USfgKniVtWYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zUD-60cW-Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_PUy_jZNMYhttps://www.news24.com/News24/breaking-life-sentences-for-3-found-guilty-of-hannah-cornelius-rape-murder-20181112https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hannah+Cornelius+murder%3A+All+we+know+after+kidnapped+student+is...-a0560179357https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/hannah-cornelius-death-killers-documentary-26623496https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUOHEN3cvoIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_PUy_jZNMYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KmB2MiU6ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3cEMDCbRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orBfyTErUCMhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194232581/hannah-corneliushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6w0Fl2OtIYhttps://www.news24.com/News24/breaking-life-sentences-for-3-found-guilty-of-hannah-cornelius-rape-murder-20181112 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Earlier this month, Cam and Jen sat down with John Palmer and discussed the tragic accident that took his wife Katie's life. ​April 21st, 2020, in Denison, Texas, situated on the border of Oklahoma. Thirty-eight-year-old Katie Palmer decided to take an early morning walk with her husband, John Palmer, hoping to see the nesting spot for a bird known as a killdeer.As the couple was returning home, they walked along Glenwood Drive at 7:45 A.M, on the left-hand side, facing the traffic, as pedestrians are supposed to do in Texas. Glenwood Drive also did not have dividing paint lines; it’s just an open road where drivers know to stay on their side. It’s wide, it’s flat, and there is nothing on it to hinder a person’s view. The sightline is over 600 feet, and the maximum speed limit is 30 miles per hour.​About 1/5th of a mile from their home, a Ford F-250 pickup truck crossed from the right-hand side of the road to the left-hand side of the road and struck Katie and John as they were walking. The vehicle struck Katie and Josh with such force that it knocked them out of their shoes. Katie landed 75 feet away, and John landed 70 feet away. For a little context, 75 feet is equivalent to the height of a six to seven-story building. Katie wouldn't survive.The driver of the truck, a neighbor named Cory Foster, has a driving record filled with DUIs, speeding, and reckless driving, yet he was able to walk away from this scot-free. Everything about Katie's case has been mishandled. Trust us, it will get your blood boiling. Thank you to John Palmer for coming to the show. We know the road to justice is exhausting, but we will stand beside you in your journey and fight.Please go to the following links for more information and updates on Katie's case.Justice For Katie Palmer Facebook page.https://www.facebook.com/groups/369021997579713Justice For Katie Palmer websitehttps://justiceforkatiepalmer.com/Justice For Katie Palmer on Twitter@for_palmerIf you would like to donate in Katie's name:The Katie Palmer Project: https://katiepalmerproject.com/ Hagerman National Wildlife Reserve: https://friendsofhagerman.com/Donate/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As little kids, we are scared of monsters and things that go bump in the night. We hear stories about big scary, hairy creatures that would get you if you weren’t being good. You had to always be aware of your surroundings and, of course, beware stranger danger. We grow up and imagine that bad guys are like the ones in the movies. But what if the monster was nothing like that, what if they were kind and helpful. What if they were your good friend? What if the monster was hiding in plain sight?Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled "Hiding in Plain Sight: Henry Wallace."Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHSMusic/Ep @wetalkofdreamsSources: https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/bad-henry-charlotte-serial-killer-profiled-in-true-crime-show/275-577104511https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8640728/https://www.the-sun.com/news/5322262/where-henry-louis-wallace-now/https://www.bustle.com/p/the-true-crime-doc-bad-henry-explores-a-terrifying-serial-killer-case-targeting-young-black-women-9845925http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-06-07/news/9806070222_1_prison-nurse-louis-wallace-killerhttp://www.crimemagazine.com/serial-killer-cops-ignored-henry-louis-wallace-murdershttp://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/24/taco-bell-strangler-detective-speaks-out-about-infamous-case-in-new-documentary-there-are-still-wounds.htmlhttps://abcnews.go.com/2020/families-victims-serial-killer-henry-wallace-remember-loved/story?id=84543063https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/henry-louise-wallace-victimshttps://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/wallace-henry-louis.htmhttps://pages.charlotte.edu/ccoston/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2011/08/Henry-Louis-Wallace-ccrime-library1.pdfhttps://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/tv/warm-tv-blog/article261357452.htmlhttps://people.com/crime/serial-killer-henry-louis-wallace-case-explored-on-20-20/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On September 20th, 2014, dog walker Barbara Denham entered the walled graveyard of St. Margaret of Antioch church in Barking, London. She saw a young man sitting up against the cemetery wall amidst the ruins of the old abbey. As Ms. Denham approached, the young man never reacted or indicated that he heard her or the collie. Hesitantly, she walked over and found that twenty-one-year-old Daniel Whitworth was dead. Ms. Denham immediately phoned the police saying, “I was the same woman that found the other body a few weeks ago. I found another young boy.”Join Jen and Cam as they talk about how the murderous and lascivious behavior of Stephen Port would go unchecked by authorities. The investigation has been described as "One of the most widespread institutional failures in modern history" In fact, had it not been for the sisters of his last victim, Jack Taylor, he would have likely continued killing.Thanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3282343/Moment-chef-accused-poisoning-killing-four-gay-men-met-online-appeared-television-alongside-Celebrity-Masterchef-contestants.html?fbclid=IwAR1gy9eEZJSr0MO-gPbH_MedUtt18Vjz8Xnh3WZoT-88jdNeRlNXvQMTZTohttps://thetalentzone.co.uk/musictv/16206/food-ingredients-at-west-ham-bus-garage-proved-a-test-for-the-contestants-on-celebrity-masterchef-2014/?fbclid=IwAR04xLHQ0ZN3h6wWu8H-p93byzavFjJevkznNj2eW0cj6PN5fhbBfMjYsXEhttps://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2014/06/west-ham-bus-garage.html?fbclid=IwAR0ekTEgZJlOsdlsmVfChe4rG7BmFxFaAqrvycmu2YuFGP7SaIfh-VjwysYhttps://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/gb/london/EGLC/date/2014-6-19https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3937820/Family-Stephen-Port-s-final-victim-slam-police-blunders.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMPAKrwHmSghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkohABWOrREhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Porthttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61909143https://news.sky.com/story/stephen-port-families-of-men-murdered-by-grindr-killer-demand-met-police-put-things-right-12639418 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Imagine you are a probation officer and you get a phone call that one of your offenders hasn’t checked in with you as of late. Since he is an elderly man in his late 70s, you hope he is ok. It is April 13, 2010, an officer goes to the home to check on him. The officer goes into the home and talks to the man. He then walks about the house to get a look around which is standard. It all looks ok. Located in the back of the home, the officer discovers a room. This room has a giant padlock on the door from the outside. Immediately sensing something is not right, he demands to get into each of the rooms. What authorities would find in the house is what nightmares are made of. It is a scene straight out of one of those haunted houses kids visit on Halloween night, but this was no haunted house, and no one --children or adults --should have to see what was inside. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled ‘Joseph Naso: His List of Ten.’Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS………………………..Music and EP is by @wetalkofdreams………………….Sources:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/joseph-naso-suspected-serial-killer-rape-diary-authorities-article-1.1005103https://web.archive.org/web/20140905015545/http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/joseph-naso/crazy-joe.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20140403050028/http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/joseph-naso/an-odd-history.htmlhttp://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Joseph-Naso-accused-in-Dylan-fan-s-disappearance-2492547.phphttps://web.archive.org/web/20141026172333/http://www.marinij.com/crimebeat/ci_23966535/marin-prosecutors-link-killer-naso-tiburon-victim-1981https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrEtwrGz.pi21oJ9xdXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzMEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1659584582/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.crimetraveller.org%2f2017%2f06%2flist-of-10-serial-killer-joseph-naso%2f/RK=2/RS=XfBXEVjDIuf68PkK8TAEvkIEGBQ-https://www.amazon.com/LIST-10-Serial-Killer-Homicide/dp/1987902327https://abc7news.com/tag/joseph-naso/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394413/Joseph-Naso-trial-Sick-diary-entries-serial-killer-rapist-drugged-photographed-victims-read-court.htmlhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/rape-diary-details-revealed-in-case-of-joseph-naso-alleged-calif-serial-killer/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

****Content Warning****Cannock Chase is 26 square miles of deciduous and coniferous woodland, open heathland, and small lakes in the West Midlands of England. It's a popular place to go hiking and mountain biking. As beautiful as Cannock Chase is, it has a bit of a dark past.In the 1960s, children in the area were abducted, assaulted, and murdered; their bodies were discovered later in the dense foliage of Cannock Chase. A human monster was on the loose.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss The Cannock Chase Murders.Thanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/03/15/child-murderer-raymond-morris-tried-to-kill-me/https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+was+abducted%2C+strangled+and+sexually+assaulted+by+Cannock+Chase...-a069171177https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fury-Cannock-Chase-Murders/dp/B085KKM46Bhttps://www.amazon.com/Cannock-Chase-Murders-Pat-Molloy/dp/0340586206https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/03/13/life-meant-life-for-wicked-killer-raymond-morris/https://scepticpeg.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/william-ian-copeland-the-murder-of-jane-elizabeth-taylor/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannock_Chase_murders#:~:text=18%20February%201969.-,Conviction,and%20murder%20of%20Christine%20Darby.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-26557796https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/cannock-chase-murdershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannock_Chasehttps://www.britannica.com/place/Cannock-Chasehttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/29/mystery-black-eyed-child-sightings-cannock-chase-_n_5898988.htmlhttps://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/morris-raymond-leslie.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsallhttps://www.ovationtv.com/watch/playlist/JzKtxvf3/the-cannock-chase-murders/https://www.google.com/maps/place/Walsall,+UK/@52.5946044,-1.9636683,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x487098817d6d754f:0x66571b177589404d!8m2!3d52.586214!4d-1.982919 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He seemed like the perfect man, at first. He wined and dined that special one who caught his eye, at the beginning. He would sweep them off their feet and marry them, quickly. He was after more than marriage, in fact, marriage was just a way to get what he was after. What he was after would cost more than one woman her life. After all, tragic accidents happen but when these tragic accidents happen with the same person at the center of incidents, you have to take a closer look. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of “Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled Deadly Getaways: Randy Roth.Listener Discretion is by the smooth voice at the top of the show, Edward October @octoberpodVHS All our original music is by the talented Nico @wetalkofdreams We liked him so much, we made him our EP.Sources:Fatal Charm by Carlton SmithA Rose for Her Grave by Ann Rulehttps://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awrhdo39DNdihWkCHApXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzcEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1658289534/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.murderpedia.org%2fmale.R%2fimages%2froth-randy%2frandy-roth-info.pdf/RK=2/RS=kwiIg4HuR9m5Tr3Qdd..tkZbR1M-https://6park.news/northdakota/where-is-randy-roth-now-to-update.htmlhttps://ourcommunitynow.com/lifestyle/cynthia-roth-murder-where-is-randy-roth-nowhttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/wash-charmer-murders-wife-insurance-money-1991-article-1.3688774https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article243803087.htmlhttp://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920313&slug=1480685http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920418&slug=1487092http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920410&slug=1485621http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920414&slug=1486330http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920425&slug=1488350http://www.doc.wa.gov/offenderinfo/default.aspxhttps://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article243803087.htmlhttps://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/roth-randy.htm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On an unseasonably warm day in August of 1973, while a crowd of around 13,000 fans watched the North Adelaide football team play the Norwood Red Legs at the Adelaide Oval, 11-year-old Joanne Ratcliffe assisted 4-year-old Kirste Gordon to the bathroom. The girls never returned to their seats.Although there were many witnesses, the girls have never been found. Their disappearance is one of South Australia's best-known crimes. Join Jen & Cam ass the discuss the case and possible suspects in "Abduction at the Adelaide Oval: Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon" *** Correction!! Jen got one of the suspects' names backward. It should be Arthur Stanley Hart, not Stanley Arthur Hart A reward of up to $1,000,000 AUD remains on offer to anyone who either provides information leading to the recovery of their remains or information leading to a conviction in the case.Anyone with information is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or at www.crimestopperssa.com.auPromo from our friend Paige from Reverie True Crime Podcast. Make sure to subscribe!Thanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/575dfsau.htmlhttps://crimestopperssa.com.au/case/joanne-ratcliffe/https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/q9sp8f/the_disappearance_of_joanne_ratcliffe_and_kirste/https://www.newspapers.com/image/122624709/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon%20Joanne%20Ratcliffe&match=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3_U0MLs9Ahttps://www.newspapers.com/image/122311582/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/125772014/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122671976/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon%20Joanne%20Ratcliffe&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/121956331/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon%20Joanne%20Ratcliffe&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/123019736/?terms=Kirste%20Gordon%20Joanne%20Ratcliffe&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/120770130https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Adelaide_Football_Clubhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Oval Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the summer of 1985, the folks in the small town of Gillespie, Illinois were shaken to their core when 16-year-old Bridget Drobney was found brutally murdered.Three men were arrested and one, Robert Turner was sentenced to death. In January of 2003, Governor Ryan commuted all 167 of Illinois’ death row inmates to life sentences. One of those was obviously, Robert Turner. Years later, In March of 2011, Governor Pat Quinn would abolish the death penalty in the state of Illinois altogether. In June of 2022, Turner was able to get a clemency hearing with the help of the Illinois Prison Project. The Illinois Prison Project fights for people serving “unjust, unnecessary and excessive” sentences in Illinois. If you visit their website, it says in big letters they are fighting a “system that treats people as disposable.” And while there are certainly many innocent people serving sentences in Illinois that are serving especially excessive sentences, the Drobney family feels that Robert Turner is not one of them.Please listen to Jen & Cam as they talk about Bridget Drobney's murder and if you are like us and the Drobney family and feel that Robert Turner does not deserve clemency,please make your voice heard.Contact Jennifer Soble, Executive Director of Prison Release Board. Her email is [email protected] The family asks that you state that it is regarding Robert Turner IDOC No N66184.Special thanks to Paula Lucca for talking with us about Bridget.Thanks to the OTCP teamListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Rett MacPhersonSources:https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Moreth-seeks-death-penalty-for-Turner-in-1989-12649227.phphttps://www.newspapers.com/image/388401459https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-07-20-8502170328-story.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/f6356cf8684ba9bcba0391753f1f045bhttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/04/10/Accused-killer-says-it-was-just-a-joke/5931513493200/https://www.newspapers.com/image/388339586/?terms=Bridget%20Drobney&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/388339586/?terms=Bridget%20Drobney&match=1https://www.leagle.com/decision/1989668128ill2d5401642?fbclid=IwAR1P1--T0vtd-v_yjxhJr7COcEKYK40oTJ_BL9XAttATBySn8UA72Y6x_5chttps://www.newspapers.com/image/388358006/?terms=Bridget%20Drobney&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/388544507/?terms=Bridget%20Drobney&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Mafia, the Mob, the family. It has many names but there is only one thing this organization is concerned about: money. This long-standing group has members operating from the streets hustling all the way up to corrupt government officials. In the neighborhoods they run, they are feared by some and adored by others. This family follows a set of rules demanding loyalty to each other above all else, including, well, your own family. To break these laws not only goes against what they stand for but it very well may cost a life or two. Afterall, someone must pay.Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Mafia Murder Mystery: Johnny Boy D’Amato.’Our listener discretion is by the amazing Edward October @octoberpodVHSOur multi-talented editor does all our music too @wetalkofdreams Sources:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mob-boss-hit-over-gay-encounters/https://nypost.com/2003/05/01/mobster-sleeps-with-the-swishes/https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/mafia-family-tree.pdf/viewhttps://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/9059166https://www.thefreelibrary.com/WHY+THE+GAYFATHER+HAD+TO+BE+WHACKED%3B+Hitman+killed+homosexual+Mafia...-a0101005486https://www.legendsofamerica.com/la-cosa-nostra/https://www.pinterest.com/pin/63965257184500635/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/02/usa.garyyoungehttps://www.cosanostranews.com/2012/05/why-decavalcantes-hit-acting-boss.htmlhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Five-Familieshttps://www.biography.com/news/five-families-nyc-mafiahttps://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/mafia-family-tree.pdfhttp://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/p/current-leadership-of-five-families.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbjfoJSMXOwhttps://torontosun.com/news/world/meet-the-real-jersey-mob-decavalcantes-ruled-the-garden-statehttps://nypost.com/2021/09/25/the-sopranos-was-inspired-by-this-newark-mob-family/https://nypost.com/2021/07/17/bringing-down-the-sopranos-for-the-fbi-destroyed-my-life/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Friday, March 25th, 1988, Lisa got in her Honda and headed north. She would take Interstate 25 to Casper, Wyoming, and from there she would take the mostly two-lane US-20/26 to Greybull, where she would then finish the trip at her boyfriend's house in Cody, Wyoming, on US14. She’d planned to stay the night there and make the remaining hour-and-a-half trek to Billings the next morning with her boyfriend in tow. When Lisa Marie didn’t arrive at Ed's house in Cody, as planned, he was immediately worried and called her parents. Lisa was nowhere to be found. She had vanished somewhere on her 600-mile journey home.Lisa's case would go cold for 14 years until DNA would link authorities to her killer.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss 'Long Road To Justice: Lisa Kimmell'.Thank you to the folks who help make the OTCP greatListener Discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on all your podcast apps or at https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Lauretta AllenSources:The Murder of Lil Miss: A Mother's Brutal 16-Year Fight for Justiceby Sheila Kimmell https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Lil-Miss-Mothers-16-Year/dp/0976747006/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1X49XOXGA1264&keywords=sheila+kimmell&qid=1655250436&sprefix=sheila+kimmell%2Caps%2C81&sr=8-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIHEI1el6ssn Unsolved Mysteries Season 1 Episode 12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5DV-DKhqhA CrimeVaulthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DW0CGco4gc TiffanyKristinaXOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqtvdTjKLG8 Scary Mysterieshttps://www.strangeoutdoors.com/mysterious-stories-blog/tag/the+Great+Basin+Serial+Killerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil%27_Miss_murder https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8701970/lisa-marie-kimmellhttps://oilcity.news/crime/2022/03/25/convicted-murderer-dale-wayne-eaton-re-sentenced-30-years-after-disappearance-of-lisa-marie-kimmel/https://www.ranker.com/list/lisa-marie-kimmell-facts/rachel-souerbryhttps://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/news/2013-03-04/authorities-to-investigate-new-leads-in-the-1997-disappearance-of-amy-wroe-bechtel Billings Gazette: https://www.newspapers.com/image/415632475/?terms=Lisa%20Marie%20Kimmell&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going nearby to St Charles Missouri where a local businessman was found shot to death inside his office on June 8, 2007, by a postwoman. It was about 12:30 in the afternoon when she called 9-1-1 and informed the operator that the man had been shot and, she thought he was dead. As she is on the phone with 911, a police officer drives by and she flags him down. The officer enters the business and finds the man. The officer clearly identifies a gunshot to the head. The man’s name was Robert Eidman and whoever killed him did it, wanted to make sure Bob would see exactly who wanted him dead.Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Price of Doing Business: Bob Eidman.’That brand new listener discretion is by the smooth-voiced Edward October from OctoberpodVHS. He is the bee’s knees.All our music is by our wonderful executive producer and editor Nico from We Talk of Dreams.The promo is by the podcast World’s Dumbest Criminals. If you like true crime but need something a bit lighter, make sure to check them out.Sources:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4623626/https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mo-court-of-appeals/1658449.htmlhttps://www.oxygen.com/in-ice-cold-blood/crime-time/insurance-salesman-bob-eidman-office-murder-solved-dnahttps://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/man-who-murdered-st-charles-insurance-agent-sentenced-to-two-life-terms/article_d1193768-0104-11e2-8557-0019bb30f31a.htmlhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19832766/robert-louis-eidmanhttps://www.monstersandcritics.com/tv/true-crime/https://6park.news/missouri/murder-of-robert-eidman-by-cleo-hines-and-paul-white-examined-in-a-time-to-kill.htmlmurder-of-robert-eidman-by-cleo-hines-and-paul-white-examined-on-a-time-to-kill/https://thecinemaholic.com/bob-eidman-murder-where-is-paul-white-now/https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2012/10/31/268571.htmhttps://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/stltoday/name/robert-eidman-obituary?id=2887637https://patch.com/missouri/stcharles/paul-c-white-sentenced-to-x-in-murder-of-st-peters-man Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On a flat and lonely stretch of highway in San Joaquin County, California, in February of 2012, onlookers were horrified as a backhoe violently tore into an abandoned well, nicknamed "Loren's Boneyard." The giant claws of the backhoe rose out of the ground holding a massive amount of dirt and the skeletal remains of the victims buried within—the victims presumably of Loren Herzog and Wesley Shermantine, AKA The Speed Freak Killers. While only convicted of murdering four people, they are suspected of murdering upward of 72 people.Join Cam & Jen as we discuss 'Made The Devil Do It: The Speed Freak Killers'.Listener Discretion by Edward October of OctoberpodVHShttps://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and Music by Nico Vettese wetalkofdreams.comWritten & Researched by Rett MacPhersonhttps://www.amazon.com/Rett-MacPherson/e/B000APPJ6A?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1654048621&sr=8-1SOURCES:https://charleyproject.org/case/chevelle-yvonne-wheelerhttps://charleyproject.org/case/cynthia-ann-vanderheidenhttps://charleyproject.org/case/joann-hobsonhttps://charleyproject.org/case/tracy-diane-meltonhttps://mail.murderpedia.org/male.S/s/shermantine-wesley.htmhttps://mail.murderpedia.org/male.H/h/herzog-loren-joseph.htmhttps://www.kcra.com/article/hobson-family-sues-s-j-sheriff-over-linden-dig/6402318https://www.sky.com/watch/channel/sky-crime/dateline/episodes/season-1/episode-3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Freak_Killershttps://allthatsinteresting.com/speed-killershttps://www.courthousenews.com/county-must-face-claims-handling-mass-murder-grave/https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/03/06/speed-freak-killers-cause-of-death-deep-anger-revealed/https://www.thoughtco.com/wesley-shermantine-and-loren-herzog-973133https://www.recordnet.com/story/news/2012/02/18/8216-blood-money-upsets/49731909007/https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/02/13/speed-freak-killers-victims-and-possible-victims/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed to Cape Cod where the Montgomery County police just received a phone about a female body on the beach. When they arrive, they found a young woman on her stomach, both her arms reaching into the sand. She was topless and her back was severely sunburned. As they get a closer look, they realize both of her hands have been cut off and part of her face is missing. Police discover she has been out here for several days, with beach-goers simply thought she was sunbathing. The woman had no identification and the media dubbed her the ‘lady in the dunes’. Police try to chase leads but they are coming up empty-handed and the case goes cold. There would be more and the person responsible was someone that no one would recognize…not yet anyway.Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled Dressed to Kill: Hadden Clark. Listener discretion is by the fabu Edward October @octoberpodVHSShow is EP by Nico @wetalkofdreams, he is the best.**This episode is sponsored by StoryWorth.Give all those you love in your life a meaningful gift youcan both cherish for years to come - StoryWorth! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On a beautiful Midwestern June evening in 2017, nineteen-year-old Tanner Scott Ward told his mom, Lisa, he was headed out to see his friend, Jeremiah, and to fix him a plate for dinner because he’d only be gone about thirty minutes. He kissed his baby girl, Sophia, and left on foot with only the clothes on his back. It was the last time his family would see him alive.Six months later Tanner's body would be found hanging from a tree not far from his home. Tanner's death is ruled a suicide but the Ward family vehemently rejects the ruling. Considering some of the conflicting reports, it’s easy to understand their frustration. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss The Death of Tanner Ward.Special thanks toEdward October of OctoberPodVHS. Now available on YouTube and your favorite podcast apphttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wSound & Editing by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreamswww.wetalkofdreamsResearched and Written by Lauretta AllenSources:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m64p27u79q4https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215367751/tanner-wardhttps://medium.com/the-mystery-box/hanging-body-of-missing-father-found-with-no-feet-840f2a9a55f6https://medium.com/serial-napper/murder-or-suicide-the-story-of-the-life-and-death-of-tanner-ward-bd5b56b63eehttps://original.newsbreak.com/@crimeneversleeps-1590148/2400727603702-tanner-ward-was-it-suicide-or-murderhttps://www.change.org/p/missing-and-endangered-northwest-missouri-and-surrounding-areas-get-justice-for-tanner-wardhttps://www.facebook.com/MissingPiecesNetwork/posts/sadly-the-remains-of-tanner-ward-were-recovered-early-on-the-morning-of-monday-d/1754735148165989/https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/pf3yfx/lets_talk_about_tanner_ward/https://truecrimedaily.com/2018/03/01/mystery-in-missouri-what-happened-to-tanner-ward/https://republican-times.com/2018/04/18/wards-death-is-ruled-a-suicide/https://www.kttn.com/arrest-warrant-issued-for-tanner-ward-of-trenton/https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mo-tanner-ward-19-trenton-7-june-2017.340371/page-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6nt4sBBqEYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqumE0Y_VCY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are headed to the outskirts of Dallas to a seedy area known as Oak Cliff, where income is low, and crime is high. It is 1990, and gangs, drugs, and sex workers frequent the area. Crack was big, and people would do almost anything to get it, including selling themselves for enough money to get a hit of crack, and then the cycle would repeat itself. Officer Regina Smith is on duty on December 13, 1990, when a call comes in pertaining to a body. It was a sex worker by the name of Mary Pratt. Her body was found on a street laid out for all the world to see. Obviously, the killer was proud of his work and wanted everyone to see her. Mary was a drug-addicted sex worker with the track marks to prove it, but there was something different about this murder, and it was gruesome.Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast on this episode entitled ‘The Eyes Have It: Charles Albright.’Listener discretion is by the fabu Edward October @octoberpodVHSThe show is EP by Nico @wetalkofdreams; he is the best.Make sure to check out the podcast ‘It’s Murder Up North’ @murderupnorthListen to their promo during our show.Sources: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/see-no-evil-3/http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Albright,%20Charles.htmhttps://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/albright-charles.htmhttps://web.archive.org/web/20030206063654/http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/episode/episode_5_the_eyeball_killer.htmlhttps://www.audacy.com/krld/articles/news/dallas-historys-notorious-killer-of-prostitutes-has-diedhttps://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fAkgAAAAIBAJ&dq=charles%20albright%20murder&pg=5313%2C5601569https://www.oxygen.com/mark-of-a-killer/season-1/videos/mark-of-a-killer-an-eye-for-murder-season-1-episode-3http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2013/08/investigation-discovery-show-spotlights-oak-cliff-serial-killer/http://www.parkaman.com/charles-albright-eyeball-killer/http://documents.latimes.com/charles-f-albright/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1214469/https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/serial-killer-charles-albright-the-texas-eyeball-killer/https://www.justiceclearinghouse.com/resource/enucleated-a-case-study-of-charles-albright-the-eyeball-killer/https://documentaryheaven.com/born-kill-charles-albright/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At 11:24 PM on Saturday, April 29th, 1989, police in Alton, Illinois received a call from Robert Sims who said he had found his wife, Paula, unresponsive on the floor of their home, and their six-week-old baby girl was missing. Paula Sims said that she had been taking out the trash an hour earlier when she was confronted by a masked man carrying a handgun. After ordering her back into the house, the armed intruder struck her on the back of the head causing her to lose consciousness. The terrifying incident defied belief because this was the second time someone had broken into the Sims' home and stolen a baby girl. Three years prior, their 8-day-old baby, Lorelai, had been snatched from their home in similar circumstances, only to be found dead. Join Jen & Cam as they discuss "Another Girl Gone: Murdering Mom Paula Sims".Promo by OctoberpodVHS. Now available on your favorite podcast app.Listener Discretion by Edward October from OctoberpodVHSEditing, sound, and music by Nico Vetesse of We Talk of Dreamswetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Eileen MacFarlane of CrimeLapse podcastFor a complete list of sources, please go to ourtruecrimepodcast.com or email us at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A woman comes out of the river water screaming for help. Frantic and barely able to get the story out, tells the man that she and her two sons were on a boat, and the boat capsized and her oldest son is missing. As police begin to question Judy about the accident, things become questionable from the start. Judy changes her story. In fact, she tells them 4 different stories. She tells officers that they were enjoying the day in the canoe, when they must have hit a tree stump and then tells another officer a snake hopped into the canoe and they panicked and turned it over. It is clear to investigators, things are not what they seem. What authorities do not yet know, is that many things have happened over the years around Judy and they were never what they seem. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled 'All for the Money: Black Widow Judy Buenoano.'Listener discretion by our bestie @octoberpodVHS.All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdreamsMake sure to check out our promo from our friend Andrew Dodge @UnforbiddenTSources: will be added soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

***Content Warning***12-year-old Sabine Dardenne was riding her bike to school In Tournai, Belgium, when two men in a white van grabbed her off of her bike. Sabine was held captive for nearly three months in an underground dungeon by one of Belgium's most notorious pedophiles, convicted rapist, and murderer Marc Dutroux.We mentioned him briefly on Day 8 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas in 2021. Now listen as Jen and Cam discuss The Monster of Marcinelle: Marc Dutroux.Promo by our friends a Nefarious Nightmares Podcast @anefariouspodThank you to our friends that help make this episode possibleResearch by Eileen MacFarlane @CrimeLapsePodListener Discretion by Edward October from @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on YouTube and now on your favorite podcast app!Sound, editing, and theme music by Nico Vettese @wetalkofdreamswetalkofdreams.comSources:Book:I Choose To Live by Sabine Dardennehttps://www.amazon.com/I-Choose-Live-Sabine-Dardenne/dp/1844082687/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2Z40MKJEYJGO4&keywords=i+choose+to+live&qid=1649881648&sprefix=i+choose+to+lice%2Caps%2C895&sr=8-1Documentary:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHKjU-dhelUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GASzbRK4Bw0https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0977NV9ZZ/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=11.https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/27/explainer-paedophile-marc-dutroux-and-the-horror-case-that-united-a-divided-belgium2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview 3. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/25/worlddispatch.dutroux4. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/18/dutroux.ianblack 5. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/28/childprotection.dutroux6. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/16/worlddispatch.dutroux 7. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/02/dutroux.ianblack 8. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/03/dutroux.williamcederwell 9. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/04/dutroux.ianblack 10. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/05/worlddispatch.dutroux 11. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/07/childprotection.dutroux 12. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/18/dutroux 13. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just after 3 PM on January 13th, 2010 a deputy driving through a gated community in Conyers, Georgia noticed two distraught teenage girls running frantically towards his car. 16-year-old identical twins, Jasmiyah & Tasmiyah Whitehead told the deputy that they had just come home from school and found their mother brutally murdered inside their home. Upon entering the house, police find signs of a violent struggle. The medical examiner said Nikki's death was a crime of passion; the killer being someone close to her. Little did they know how close.Join Jen and Cam as they discuss Twin Terrors: The Murder of Nikki Whitehead.Big Thank Yous to our friends whose talents help make our podcast something special. Listener Discretion: Edward Octoberpod of Octoberpod VHS https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer, Audio, Editor, and Music: Nico Vetesse of We Talk Of Dreamswetalkofdreams.comEpisode researched and written by Eileen MacFarlane of Crimelapse PodcastSources:NEWSBANK"Twins charged in mom's killing." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), May 21, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/12FDEFFD61C45920."Twins may get life if convicted." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), May 26, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/12FF9296FB68EC60."No bond given to Whitehead." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), June 14, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1305D5583A643A18."Twins plead not guilty in mom's murder." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), August 5, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1316FA49C55985A8."Murder suspects moved." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), December 1, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/133DE38A0710F1D8."Twins reindicted in mom's death." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), August 6, 2011. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/138F5291C9E0A7F0."Whitehead Twins Plead 'Not Guilty' In Mother's Murder." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), September 12, 2011. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/139C9B35DA8327B8."Rockdale jury finds Rabon guilty of murder, rape in 2008 incident." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), February 1, 2012. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/13CAB56EB0E89D58."Rockdale jury finds Rabon guilty of murder, rape in 2008 incident." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), February 1, 2012. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Husband and father James Kraig Kahler took really good care of his family by being a great provider. His wife Karen was a pillar of the community who was busy raising their three children. From the outside, they seemed to be the perfect family but as we know no one is perfect. It seems Kraig liked things a certain way and by a certain way, I mean his way. He made rules for not only the children but for Karen as well. When things started to change, Kraig was not happy. When it was clear things would not go back to the way Kraig liked them, he decided to make some changes as well. These changes, however, involved murder. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled Three’s A Crowd: Kraig Kahler.Our listener discretion is by the smooth-talking Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAll music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/03/23/us-supreme-court-upholds-death-penalty-in-osage-county-quadruple-homicide/1473994007/https://ksabolition.org/facts/death-rowhttps://caselaw.findlaw.com/ks-supreme-court/1888978.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026864/James-Kraig-Kahler-murdered-family-threesome-request-drove-wife-lesbian-affair.htmlhttps://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-state-v-kahlerhttps://pressinformant.com/karen-kahler-and-sunny-reese-murder-where-is-james-kraig-kahler-now/https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/kahler-v-kansas/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahler_v._Kansashttps://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/local/killer-james-kraig-kahlers-case-to-be-heard-by-u-s-supreme-court/article_976eb220-e470-11e9-b8f2-2b815469f28a.htmlhttps://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/local/kahler-loses-in-supreme-court-effort/article_0a4baff2-6dfe-11ea-87f0-73334f02da58.htmlhttps://www.wibw.com/content/news/Supreme-Court-rules-in-favor-of-KS-in-Kahler-case--569028741.htmlhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt2611336/https://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/kahler-james-kraig.htmhttps://www.wiki.ng/en/wiki/dateline-karen-kahler-and-sunny-reese-murder-where-is-james-kraig-kahler-now-838182 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On April 5, 1980, Sister Madalyn Marie went to prepare for Easter Sunday which was the following day, entered the sacristy and stumbled across a horrifying scene.71-year-old Sister Margaret Ann Pahl lay dead on the floor. Father Robinson was the main suspect but there wasn't enough evidence for him to be charged and the case went cold.Twenty-three years later the case would be reopened after a woman comes forward with allegations of ritualistic abuse within the Toledo diocese. The woman said that she had been sexually and physically abused by members of the church in her youth and that she had witnessed satanic rituals where animals and children were sacrificed. Come join us as we discuss An Unholy Death: The Murder of Margaret Ann PahlWritten and researched by Eileen MacFarlane from CrimelapseListener Discretion by Edward Octoberpod of OctoberpodVHSProduced and Edited by Nico Vettese of We Talk Of DreamsSources:Sin, Shame & Secrets: The Murder of a Nun, the Conviction of a Priest, and Cover-up in the Catholic Church by David Yonke https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1HW1YP/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?For a complete listing of all sources, please go to ourtruecrimepodcast.com or email Jen at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed north to Lake Orion, Michigan, a suburb of Detroit. On August 6, 1994, a man was discovered on his apartment floor. His body is surrounded by blood. The man had fought furiously to escape his killer, as demonstrated by all the injuries on his face and body. His apartment showed no signs of a break-in, but it did look like someone had gone through the apartment. The man was Kevin Boyd, and his body was discovered by his son, Kevin, Jr. What the 16-year-old would encounter would be the absolute worst scenario. Kevin Sr. is positioned on his stomach on the floor with a pillow over the back of his head. The blood spatter on the wall let him know it was no accident. Kevin Jr. ran from the apartment, desperate to get some help. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of 'Our True Crime Podcast' entitled Smotherly Love: Kevin Boyd.We are going to the True Crime Podcast Festival in Dallas this year. Come see us along with many of your other favorite podcasters.The festival is being held in Dallas, Texas - from August 26th through the 28th. The Goodpods app is a great way to follow the shows and even listen to a curated playlist of their most talked about episodes!Links: www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com Goodpods: https://t.co/u1bHrjRCKPOur listener discretion is by the smooth-talking Edward October of @octoberpodVHS. All music is by the immensely talented Nico @wetalkofdreams.If you like us, give us a review wherever you listen and tell a friend or two. Join and follow us on our Facebook pages:Our True Crime PodcastOur True Crime Podcast Discussion PageMake sure to check us out on Instagram: ourtruecrimepodcastand Twitter: @ourtruecrimepodSources: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mied-2_04-cv-74462/pdf/USCOURTS-mied-2_04-cv-74462-0.pdfhttps://www.newsbreak.com/news/1542720394185/lynn-boyd-persuaded-her-teen-son-kevin-boyd-jr-to-help-murder-his-father-diabolical-investigateshttps://www.aclumich.org/en/news/fight-save-children-life-behind-barshttps://thecinemaholic.com/kevin-boyd-sr-murder/https://www.facebook.com/NBC2News/posts/kevin-boyd-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole-for-killing-his-father/10155454204916225/https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2018/01/should-a-man-in-prison-for-dads-murder-get-another-chance/https://www.monstersandcritics.com/tv/true-crime/lynn-boyd-persuaded-her-16-year-old-son-kevin-boyd-jr-to-help-her-murder-his-father/https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/crime-news/kevin-boyd-sr-murdered-by-his-own-son-and-wife-lynn-boyd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On the night of November 5, 1989, first responders arrived at the 3700 block of Delor St in St Louis, Missouri. Inside of an apartment, next to two bloody knives, lay the body of 16-year-old Tina Isa. Tina's father said that he had killed her in self-defense. Police would learn Tina's father, Zein Isa, was a suspected ringleader of a Palestinian terrorist cell and had been under the watchful eye and ear of the FBI. The Isa's house had been bugged for some time and Tina's abuse and murder had been caught on tape. Join Cam and Jen as we talk about Die, My Daughter, Die: The Murder of Tina Isa.We are going to the True Crime Podcast Festival in Dallas this year. Come see us along with many of your other favorite podcasters.The festival is being held in Dallas, Texas - from August 26th through the 28th. The Goodpods app is a great way to follow the shows and even listen to a curated playlist of their most talked about episodes!Head to Truecrimepodcastfestival.comLinks: www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com Goodpods: https://t.co/u1bHrjRCKPBig Thanks to:Edward October @OctoberpodVHS for our listener discretion. Please take a listen to him on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoNico Vettesse, our Producer does all music and editing.wetalkofdress.comEileen MacFarlane of @Crimelapse researched and wrote today's episode. Jen would be lost without her. Promo is from our friends a Crime Trials Podcast. Sources:https://stlouispatina.com/north-st-louis/https://www.amazon.com/Guarding-Secrets-Palestinian-Terrorism-Too-American-ebook/dp/B07CGWZRGS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1TKFOC7PVGFP7&keywords=ellen+harris&qid=1646537688&s=books&sprefix=ellen+harris%2Cstripbooks%2C255&sr=1-5https://amp.southcoasttoday.com/amp/50334837007https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-06-13-9306130207-story.html850 S.W.2d 876 (1993), STATE of Missouri, Respondent, v. Maria ISA, Appellant., No. 74479. - https://law.justia.com/cases/missouri/supreme-court/1993/74479-0.html "Girl, 16, Slain By Father'She Came At Me' He Tells Police." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 7, 1989: 1A. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61203C3751."Man Charged In Killing Of Daughter." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 8, 1989: 3A. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61961FD9A3."Dead Girl Abused,School Told State." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 9, 1989: 4C. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61E4A53BFB."Woman Joins Husband As Suspect In Daughter's Fatal Stabbing." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 1, 1989: 5b. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going to the southern United States to a town named Grassy Creek, North Carolina. It is home to a very well-known and recognized Christmas tree farm. It is January 24, 2008, right before noon, when a panicked call comes into 911 describing a most heinous scene at the Hudler tree farm. The caller explains there are two people who have been shot. Police are dispatched to the farm, and once on scene, investigators would find three bodies and a trail of clues. Since the family is so well admired and loved, no one can think of anyone that would do them any harm. What authorities would discover is a person who was well acquainted with murder. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Hudler Farm Horror.’As always, our listener discretion is by the smooth sounding Edward October from @octoberpodVHS Our music is by our more than awesome Nico @wetalkofdreams Make sure to listen to a promo from Coffee and Cases @coffeeandcases Sources:https://swvatoday.com/news/article_7b9e45cc-a9f6-5e43-976a-173aef7207c4.htmlhttps://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/20090809_He_got_away_with_murder__then_kept_killing.html#:~:text=The%20spot%20had%20been%20identified,Ashe%20County%20Sheriff%20James%20D.https://www.independencedeclaration.com/content/letter-hammer%E2%80%99s-attorney-could-help-him-receive-yet-another-murder-chargehttps://journalnow.com/news/local/family-of-freddie-hammers-murder-victim-awarded-14-9-million/article_b75b6432-c737-534c-99ce-64c93d321abc.htmlhttps://journalnow.com/hammer-admits-killings-gets-7-life-sentences/article_bd09d014-630a-5fa4-8c85-c8e6ca0e25bf.htmlhttps://heraldcourier.com/news/freddie-hammer-confesses-to-more-murders/video_ef117406-4427-5bc3-876c-cf67c250c4d0.htmlhttps://richmond.com/news/freddie-hammer-confesses-to-more-murders/article_c090d56a-7e53-5a66-acb6-a2a56ed4e251.htmlhttps://www.galaxgazette.com/content/hammer-pleads-guilty-another-murderhttps://www.galaxgazette.com/content/tv-show-air-episode-hammer-murdershttps://journalnow.com/jimmy-disappears-suspicions-about-freddie-hammer-intensify-but-evidence-of-wrongdoing-isnt-there/article_1101711b-8e01-53bb-a705-8e241bb618f0.htmlhttps://journalnow.com/trial-date-postponed-for-freddie-hammer/article_7fd73874-60ba-5d9f-a549-0c12b88eb05a.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The second week of 1977, England saw the coldest January in 14 years. Low pressure carried from northern Europe brought heavy snowfall across the UK. On January 12th, 1977, 28-year-old Billy Hughes was to appear at Chesterfield Magistrates Court on charges of rape and assault. Hughes had other plans. He wasn't going back to prison no matter what the cost. Pulling a stolen knife out from his boots, Billy stabs the guards, orders them out of the car, and makes his escape. Due to high speed and cold, wet roads, he crashed the car. Hughes wasted no time running across the moors in search of a place to hide.As police officers were scrambling to find him with the help of sniffer dogs, Hughes had stumbled upon a house called Pottery Cottage, isolated in rural Eastmoor. Hughes would hold a family of five hostage for the next few days. Only one would survive.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the Pottery Cottage Murders. Thank you to our friend and listener Louise for requesting this case.*****Warning***** Jen talks about an oven fire and if she should thro flour on the flames. DO NOT do this. The flour will catch fire and make things worse. This was bad advice that was passed down to her. Be safe. Thank you Neville for correcting us. Edward from OctoberpodVHS voices our listener discretion.Check out his youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoResearched and written by Eileen MacFarlaneNico from wetalkofdreams.com is our producer in charge of sound and editing. Check out the promos for Nico's new podcast entitled ConnectionsandKevin from The Jury Room has a new podcast called Addictedmake sure you listenSources:Newsbank Daily Mail (London, England), August 28, 1999: 16. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1787D5CA1A40EAB0. Independent, The/The Independent on Sunday: Web Edition Articles (London, England), March 24, 2017. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1665BF5247AA91F8. Derbyshire Times (England), May 17, 2017. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/164720CDD2F2BD10. Derby Telegraph (England), November 23, 2017: 6-7. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1685794905694CB8. Daily Mail, The/The Mail on Sunday (London, England) (London, England), February 29, 2020: 53. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=image/v2%3A1754FD5BCC041490%40AWNB-1796685B8BD41210%402458909-179668A82DFD90D8%4052. Daily Mail (London, England), March 2, 2020: 30,31,32. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/17975D211D5FB2F8. Daily Mail, The/The Mail on Sunday (London, England) (London, England), March 3, 2020: 28. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are venturing back to a time when small towns had small-town doctors. These doctors were not only fixtures of the community, these men and women made house calls and knew all their patients and all their ailments. If Mr. Smith couldn’t pay, no problem. If Mrs. Robert’s’ infant spiked a fever, the doctor would be there within the hour. Doctors took an oath. ‘first do no harm’ but maybe just maybe not all doctors are good. In fact, maybe there are a few doctors whose bedside manner is more like dead side manner. This is one such doctor. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Dead Side Manner: Dr. Dale Cavaness’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. The listener discretion is courtesy of our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSThe music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreamsSources:Murder in Little Egypt by Darcy O’Brienhttps://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Dr-John-Dale-Cavanesshttps://www.themidwestcrimefiles.com/post/the-deadly-doctor-of-eldoradohttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/illinois-doctor-killed-2-sons-collect-insurance-money-article-1.2490995https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-06-mn-13464-story.htmlhttps://thesouthern.com/news/years-after-killings-dr-cavaness-remembered-differently/article_6c59c547-3ac8-5672-bffa-085c4b48c22b.htmlhttps://mysteryu.com/high-cost-life-insurance/8/https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/11/17/Cavaness-kills-himself-on-death-row/1293532587600/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On November 2nd, 1987, paramedics responded to a 911 call about an unresponsive 6-year-old Lisa.Upon arrival at the Greenwich Village apartment in New York, they found the little girl unconscious and nude on the floor.The apartment was filthy, and another child, a 16-month-old little boy, was found tied to a playpen by a rope around his waist. He was lying in his own filth with spoiled milk available for him to drink. When investigators speak with the parents, Joel Steinberg and his common-law wife, Hedda Nussbaum, they realize the kids weren't the only ones that suffered abuse.Join Cam and Jen as we talk about A House of Horrors: Lisa Steinberg and Hedda NussbaumIf you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please callThe National Domestic Violence Hotline is available at 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) or by chat at https://www.thehotline.org/or The Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline 1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453) or go online at www.childhelp.orgPromo by our friends at Dealing Justice @dealing_justice. Thank you for supporting Indie Podcasts!Listener Discretion by @OctoberpodVHS. His next big episode comes on on Feb 15th. Go subscribe so you won't miss it!https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettese @wetalksofdreams. He's one of the best young composers out there.Research and writing by Eileen MacFarlane. She's amazing!Due to the number of sources, they cannot all be listed here.Please email us at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed to North Liberty, Iowa, population 18,000 plus. This Midwest town is not unlike others. Most of the members know each other where they work and live together. It is February 1999, When one of their own, is murdered in his home, the community is stunned. With little to no evidence, investigators look to an unusual witness and hope, even though she can’t speak, she will lead them to the killer. Join Jen and Cam on Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Off the Leash: John Helble and Keisha.’As always our listener discretion is by the omniscient @octoberpodVHS.All our music as well as the show executive producer is none other than Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2609150/https://www.woofersandco.com/blogs/unleashed/the-dog-who-helped-catch-a-killerhttps://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/wyo-man-pleads-guilty-in-iowa/article_ca1131d3-d08a-5be6-96df-b1e374288bea.htmlhttps://medium.com/the-criminalist/mans-dog-helps-to-catch-his-killer-adcd045e7ab4https://kileystruecrime.squarespace.com/kileystruecrimeaddict-blog/the-murder-of-john-helblehttps://quizlet.com/452196425/hair-and-fiber-analysis-flash-cards/https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/NewsReportreRich.pdfhttps://medium.com/the-criminalist/mans-dog-helps-to-catch-his-killer-adcd045e7ab4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Around 10:25 AM on February 13th, 2018, a 911 call came in on Lake Couer d’Alene in Idaho. The woman identified herself as Lori Isenberg, told the dispatcher; “I need help. I’m on the lake but I don’t know where. My husband has had a stroke and he fell over ...he fell overboard” That same morning, many of the couple's friends and neighbors would be opening the local paper to discover Lori was leading a double life.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Still Waters: The Murder of Larry IsenbergA thank you to those that helped us put this episode together!Researched and written by the talented Eileen MacFarlaneListener Discretion by the master of horror Edward OctoberpodVHS--You can subscribe here https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and editing by the one and only Nico Vettese Promo by Weird Distractions! Go check them out! Resources Find the complete list on ourtruecrimepodcast.comhttps://www.justice.gov/usao-id/pr/lori-isenberg-pleads-guilty-over-570000-wire-fraud-and-federal-program-theft https://www.inlander.com/spokane/a-north-idaho-womans-husband-is-dead-and-she-is-on-the-lam-wanted-for-allegedly-embezzling-half-a-million-dollars/Content?oid=10210637 https://www.khq.com/news/new-court-documents-show-north-idaho-man-may-have-been-murdered/article_561fb668-d783-5565-bf41-206e4fde8a78.html https://www.khq.com/news/500k-bench-warrant-issued-for-lori-isenberg-after-missing-2nd-arraignment/article_92bde7c4-34a0-53bf-a3be-7ed79a889cb1.html https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article240786156.html https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/mar/04/kootenai-county-detectives-want-to-interview-frien/https://apnews.com/article/coeur-dalene-spokane-idaho-7e7b0875f8863fcad010935545e0e60d https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/may/24/isenberg-sentenced-to-life-for-drugging-husband-on/ https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/05/i-knew-my-life-was-over-idaho-woman-gets-life-in-prison-for-murdering-husband-with-medicine/ https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/idaho-woman-indicted-for-murder-in-connection-to-the-2018-death-of-her-husband/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is October 20, 2007, when a woman calls 911. She is hysterical and crying, barely able to get out the words. She relays to the operator that when she got to her parent's house, she found her mother shot, her father shot, and her brother home and unharmed. Police rush to the scene, but as they are heading to the crime scene, 16-year-old Daniel jumps in his parent's car and takes off. Soon a chase erupts, but Daniel loses control of the vehicle, and officers contain him. Daniel tells officers that his father shot his mother and then turned the gun on himself. Daniel is crying and is put into the patrol car until officers can figure out what just happened. With confusion and adrenaline, no one knows what just occurred, but someone is responsible, and that person is the one no one would suspect, but the reason is even more unbelievable. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Gaming, Obsession, and Murder: Daniel Petric. LD is by the man who does it best Edward October from @octoberpodVHS The music is done by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams Sources:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7826663.stmhttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2009/01/_lorain_lorain_county.htmlhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/game-over-for-teen-who-killed-mother-over-video-gamehttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2009/06/lorain_county_teen_who_killed.htmlhttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/trial_of_boy_accused_of_killin.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Petrichttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/boy_killed_mom_and_shot_dad_ov.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQH9N5SCDX4Signs of a Psychopath: Season 2, EP 5. https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-daniel-petric-now/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is more graphic than usual. Listener discretion is strongly advised . The corpses of five young women were found in and around several small villages in West Germany. Each woman had been raped, stabbed, or strangled. Even worse, they had been mutilated. Nearly two decades would pass, and many more women would lose their lives. When police finally arrested the man responsible for all these gruesome murders, there was a stew brewing on the stove with, well, you can’t imagine. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Duisburg Man-Eater: Joachim Kroll” on Day 12 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. We didn't cover all the victims' names in this episode so we wanted to list them here. They deserve to be remembered.Joachim Kroll’s VictimsIrmgard Strehl, 19,Erika Schuletter, 12,Klara Frieda Tesmer, 24, Heinrich Ott, was arrested for the crime. He hanged himself in jail.Manuela Knodt, 16, Petra Giese, 13, Vinzenz Kuehn was arrested and convicted.Monika Tafel, 12, Walter Quicker was arrested for the crime. He was later released but was driven to suicide due to relentless neighbors.Barbara Bruder, 12, Her body was never found.Hermann Schmitz, 25,Ursula Rohling, 20 Her boyfriend Adolf Schickel was falsely accused of killing her and he completed suicide Ilona Harke, 5Maria Hettgen, 61, Jutta Rahn, 13Karin Toepfer, 10Marion Ketter, 4Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does all our listener discretion warnings. Nico @wetalkofdreams provides all original music and is our executive producer.Sources:https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ganze-masse-a-f1af7b2a-0002-0001-0000-000040942727https://kulturmeister.com/notorious-serial-killers-en/joachim-kroll/?lang=enhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2opfxahttps://killer.cloud/serial-killers/show/72/joachim-krollhttps://www-focus-de.translate.goog/panorama/welt/bernd-jaegers-im-focus-online-interview-duisburger-kannibale-toetete-frauen-und-kinder-er-wollte-seine-opfer-sterben-sehen_id_13350216.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,schttps://books.google.de/books?id=srw2DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT74&lpg=PT74&dq=how+many+siblings+to+joachim+kroll+have&source=bl&ots=uX-o2d03EQ&sig=ACfU3U279iPjAkWP_VzJgY_flvUUMIMKjA&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjGqc-fkYL0AhXiyIsBHXtcAO8Q6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=how%20many%20siblings%20to%20joachim%20kroll%20have&f=falsehttps://www.dieterwunderlich.de/Joachim-Kroll.htmhttps://www.derwesten.de/staedte/duisburg/horror-duisburg-kannibale-mord-id213090825.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On September the 15th, 1990, people were walking along a river near Prague when they stumbled up what they thought was a mannequin. As they got closer, they realized it was the body of a young woman. Her body, nude, was left in a vulgar display. Her stocking was wrapped around her neck. The killer had tried to cover her with leaves and debris as if to hide his crime. The woman would turn out to be Blanka Bockova. Blanka had gone out the night before with friends to have drinks. The group decided to leave just before midnight, but Blanka was having fun and decided to stay for just one more. Her friends would say she was talking with a man who looked nearly 40 years of age, but that is all the information they could provide. What authorities could not yet know was that an international serial killer was just getting started, and he was no stranger to police. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “A Way with Words and Murder: Jack Unterweger” on Day 11 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://allthatsinteresting.com/jack-unterwegerhttps://www.ranker.com/list/jack-unterweger-facts/cat-mcauliffehttps://www.moviemaker.com/jack-unterweger-austrian-serial-killer-netflix-vanishing-at-the-cecil-hotel/https://killer.cloud/serial-killers/show/103/jack-unterwegerhttp://jimshelley.com/crime/jack-unterweher/https://www.hayvine.com/entertainment/5-shocking-facts-of-jack-unterwegers-dark-history-of-grisly-murders-and-crimeshttps://www.biography.com/crime-figure/jack-unterweger Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning! Listener discretion is strongly advised. Starting in 1981, a man answered several classified ads posted by women who were selling various items in local newspapers. This man was not buying a toaster or a new home; he was searching for his next victim. They were petite young women who often worked the streets. He would become known as one of the most prolific killers operating in Florida during the 1980s, but his luck would run out when he ran into a brave teenager who would lead officers right to this serial killer. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Tampa's Classified Ad Rapist: Bobby Joe Long Day” on Day 10 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. All the music, as well as our executive producer, is Nico @wetalkofdreams. He is as impressive as he is talented. That incredible voice at the top of the show warning listeners is Edward October from @octoberpodVHSSource:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQIN96pTQUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeZgGhvVicohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STMfUBI5IfYhttps://www.oxygen.com/it-takes-a-killer/season-1/terror-on-the-striphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv9TQLCdblUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv9TQLCdblUhttps://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/on-the-case-with-paula-zahn/full-episodes/hanging-by-a-threadhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u3in4https://www.mylifetime.com/movies/believe-me-the-lisa-mcvey-storyhttps://web.archive.org/web/20190524064415/http://time.com/5595252/serial-killer-florida-executed/https://web.archive.org/web/20071010024023/http://www.oranous.com/florida/RobertLong/063088long.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20080105062445/http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/long.htmhttps://truecrimedaily.com/2016/02/22/ex-wife-offers-look-inside-the-mind-of-notorious-serial-killer/https://web.archive.org/web/20120714050023/http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/long/6.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20071010024018/http://www.oranous.com/florida/RobertLong/Robert%20J.%20Long%20v.%20State%20Of%20Florida.htm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alaska, the Last Frontier: It is a place of stunning beauty and rugged wilderness. It is an outdoorsman’s paradise with plenty of big game to hunt and fish to catch. It is also a place where people disappear--some because they want to drop out of the fast-paced rat race and some not by choice. On April 29, 1984, Roger Culp went missing from Hopkinsville. Roger was last seen in the company of a newcomer to the area, a 25-year-old man named Michael Silka. Officers head out to Michael’s remote cabin to see if they can question him about Roger. As soon as they arrive, they notice what looks to be blood outside the cabin. As they approach the door, a man comes out and identifies himself as Michael Silka. He tells the troopers that the blood was from a moose he recently killed and was outside to skin the animal. Michael tells them he hasn’t seen Roger since Roger came by for a quick visit. Content with the explanation, officers leave the cabin. This was a mistake, and many would lose their lives at one man’s hand. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “Slaughter Under the Midnight” on Day 9 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://robinbarefield76.medium.com/murders-at-manley-hot-springs-2ca3205d2901https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/11/us/memories-of-springtime-murders-chill-small-alaskan-town.htmlhttps://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/military-and-police/firefight-at-manley/https://militaryjusticeforall.com/tag/michael-silka/https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/11/us/memories-of-springtime-murders-chill-small-alaskan-town.htmlhttps://peoplepill.com/people/michael-silkahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Silka Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning! Listener discretion is strongly advised! Also, Jen tries to pronounce French words. She is very sorry but she tried really hard, When a 13-year-old victim escaped a killer’s hold by gnawing through her bindings and running from the killer’s van, little did the police know that a series of murders and rapes were about to be solved. The officers arrested the man and soon heard a horror story that included crimes against young victims, but he had a partner. Together the two would commit a series of crimes to earn him the name Ogre of the Ardennes. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “The Ogre of Ardennes: Michel Fourniret” on Day 8 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/mort-de-michel-fourniret-la-justice-a-failli-pour-l-avocate-de-la-famille-de-marie-angele-domece-1620656403https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/le-tueur-en-serie-michel-fourniret-est-mort-a-79-ans-10-05-2021-A2RAORSLWBALHHVAYKEI3DAZT4.phphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Fournirethttps://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/michel-fourniret-french-serial-killer-craved-only-virgins-to-rape-and-murder/news-story/07e873fd5b64f10f14a7af83be43fc9dhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-murder-trial/french-serial-killer-and-wife-get-life-sentences-idUSL273256320080528https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Parrishhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13935448/ogre-ardennes-dead-serial-killer-michel-fourniret-film/https://www.ranker.com/list/facts-about-michel-fourniret-the-ogre-of-the-ardenne/cat-mcauliffehttps://www.serialkillercalendar.com/Michel%20FOURNIRET.phphttps://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210513-ex-wife-of-france-s-ogre-of-the-ardennes-serial-killer-may-face-justicehttps://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/serial-killer-who-murdered-british-24077032https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0dC5zZbU4https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7yup7p Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going back to April 14, 1989, where we meet a man named Ramon Salcido, a 28-year-old. Ramon grew up in Mexico and, at age 18, met a young lady he would marry. The only thing was she was pregnant with another man’s baby. After the baby arrived, she left Ramon and went back to the father of her baby. At this point, Ramon left Mexico and moved to California- Kern County area, to be exact. Here, he met a woman named Debra, and the two would marry. One child was born from that union; however, it was not meant to be, and they separated but never divorced. These two women and their children would not know they escaped a murderer, but the next would not be so lucky. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Ramon’s Ruthless Rampage: Ramon Salcido” on Day 7 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. Sources:https://abcnews.go.com/2020/carmina-salcido-confronts-dad-left-dead/story?id=8835209https://www.sonomanews.com/article/news/the-worst-crime-in-sonoma-history-30-years-later/https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/appellate-court-death-row-inmate-s-petition-must-be-heard-here/article_a3488b0c-4956-11ea-970d-b37d70970896.htmlhttps://wn.com/20_20_on_id_what_happened_to_carmina_ramon_salcido_kills_his_family,_carmina_salcido_survihttps://web.archive.org/web/20120802065242/http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/evil-i/episodes/episode-guide-07.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/17/us/killer-of-7-gets-penalty-of-death.htmlhttp://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/search.aspx Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is day six of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. We are going to Mosman, a suburb of Sydney, Australia, where 82-year-old widow Gwendolin Mitchellhill was found right outside her apartment building around 4 pm on March 1st, 1989. Two children had just stepped off the elevator; through the glass security doors, they saw the poor woman crawling on her hands and knees with an immense amount of blood coming from her head. The woman’s belongings, shoes, cane lay neatly a few feet away, her pantyhose were off, and her purse was open. Assuming she had fallen and hit her head, an ambulance was called for the woman, and she was rushed to the hospital. One keen-eyed ambulance driver noticed her open purse, noticed her wallet was not inside and reported it to the police. Kind neighbors took it upon themselves to gather Ms. Mitchelhill’s cane and bag and clean all the blood from the sidewalk. This was the first murder by a man known as The Granny Killer. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “The Mosman Monster: Granny Killer John Wayne Glover” on Day 6 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas.Edward October from @octoberpodVHS is the voice you hear at the top of the show. Sweet Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:Book: Crime and Punishment: 50 Crimes That Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpehttps://www.amazon.com/Crime-Punishment-Crimes-Shocked-Australia/dp/0908272502https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gloverhttps://www.smh.com.au/national/suburban-serial-killer-20050910-gdm1em.htmlhttps://www.serialkillercalendar.com/John%20Wayne%20GLOVER.phphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRwUI3nkVQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZAX1yxKUshttps://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/glover-john-wayne.htmhttps://www.9news.com.au/national/foy-family-archives-could-link-juanita-nielsen-disappearance-killer-john-wayne-glover-a-current-affair/3b54825c-b77d-417f-856f-c6155fb043aahttps://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/from-the-archives-1990-granny-killer-glover-gets-life-20200312-p549i4.htmlhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/123604229/?terms=%22lady%20winifreda%22&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/123427788/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/124699907/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/272649570/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For day five we are going ‘down under’ to Saturday, June 4, 1961. We are in Brisbane where a 55-year-old man named Amos Hurst meets a gentleman outside the Roma Street Railway Station. The two of them partake in lots of drinking and not wanting to end the night, the two head back to Hurst’s hotel room where they continued to drink. As the pair drank to near oblivion, Amos passed out only to wake up to his friend strangling him. Amos tried to fight back and was hit so hard in the face, he died. The killer then undressed Amos and put him in the bed as if he were just sleeping and made his escape. For days the murderer would obsessively check the newspapers for the death. Finally, days later, Amos Hurst’s obituary was in the paper saying that Amos had died of a heart attack. The man had just gotten away with his first murder and was now on the prowl In Brisbane for his next victim. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “Death Down Under: William Macdonald” on Day 5 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/death-of-serial-killer-william-the-mutilator-macdonald-not-suspicious-coroner-20160609-gpfai0.htmlhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/william-macdonald-the-mutilator-serial-5695616https://medium.com/the-partnered-pen/the-innocent-serial-killer-455ce312bfd2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_MacDonald_(serial_killer) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning as this episode deals with sexual assault and abuse of young children. Please use discretion as needed. This killer described his sexual abuse and torture of young girls as being like a theatre performance, and he was like an actor who would commit these crimes. However, he was not an actor but a delivery driver who committed the most heinous acts on the most vulnerable: young children. He was one of Scotland’s most evil, and we are looking at the atrocities one man bestowed on a community during the 1980s. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “A Man Most Vilel: Robert Black” on Day 4 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. Sources:Book: Murder by Numbers: British Serial Sex Killers Since 1950 by Anna Gekoskihttps://www.amazon.com/Murder-Numbers-British-Killers-1998-09-17/dp/B01K8ZE1LKhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TR17kMRY7ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSZWwZlIPTMhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fal3yhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4nnb1mhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7s994yhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/remains-serial-child-killer-robert-7193277https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2056915/I-escaped-child-killer--destroyed-life.htmlhttps://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/detective-who-netted-scottish-child-serial-killer-robert-black-after-painstaking-probe-into-abductions-and-murders-of-3-young-girls-has-died-3192683https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44660880 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed across the pond to Glasgow. It is the late 1960’s and there are lots of changes happening in the world. Glasgow had been ravaged over the years but the town was investing in herself. Fashion and music were bigger and better than ever before with the young generation leading the charge. The young adults were heading out and partying in clubs overall Glasgow wearing their finest attire. All that came to an abrupt end in 1968 when a killer came to prey on young women. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “The Bible John Killings” on Day 3 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our fabu listener discretion. Nico @wetalkofdreams does all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/8029670/bible-john-new-portraits-glasgow-serial-killer/https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/how-notorious-killer-bible-john-12078716https://www.vice.com/en/article/5947e5/the-mystery-of-bible-john-scotlands-zodiac-killerhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/who-exactly-is-bible-john-24553749https://unresolved.me/bible-johnhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/husband-bible-john-murder-victim-23770769 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices