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The aroma of hot dogs, churros, and fried twinkies waft over the fairgrounds. The bright lights, some flashing, some remaining solid with brilliant color, are dazzling to the fairgoer. The sounds of children laughing, carnival workers barking at the crowds to come play a game, bells dinging, the echo of rides spinning and rolling is what draws the people of Barton County to the annual fair. Sonny and Pauline Carpenter had spent their retirement selling handmade jewelry and handbags at fairs across the country. They planned to make the Barton County fair their last before hanging up their vendor life.Little did they know a "hit" had been ordered on their lives.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the crazy story of The Carnival Mafia: The Murders of Sonny and Pauline Carpenter.Promo by our bestest friend OctoberpodVHS, Please check out his YouTube channel. He's amazing. https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoHe's the fantastic voice of our listener discretionThe Producer that makes us sound professional with all the editing, sound, and theme music is done by Nico Vetesse of We Talk of Dreams.https://wetalkofdreams.com/Source:https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article222942590.htmlhttps://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/dec/11/5-people-held-in-state-face-charges-in--1/https://www.wibw.com/2020/07/11/florida-man-faces-life-in-prison-for-two-wichita-murders/https://www.gbtribune.com/news/local-news/preliminary-hearing-held-suspect-double-homicide/https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Bodies-of-Wichita-couple-found-in-shallow-grave-in-Arkansas-488543821.htmlhhttps://nypost.com/2018/07/19/carnival-workers-arrested-in-deaths-of-fair-vendors/ttps://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article247179789.htmlhttps://www.kwtx.com/2020/11/16/texas-man-sentenced-for-death-of-2-carnival-vendors/https://www.ksn.com/news/local/woman-makes-court-appearance-in-a-wichita-couples-murder/https://www.kake.com/story/42910062/man-gets-life-in-prison-for-deaths-of-wichita-couple-at-kansas-county-fairhttps://www.4029tv.com/article/woman-pleads-guilty-in-carnival-mafia-murder-case/27483173https://www.kwch.com/content/news/Preliminary-hearing-held-for-accused-leader-in-carnival-mafia-murders-of-Wichita-couple-566287041.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going to a city outside of Los Angeles called Bradbury. It is a gated community of the elite where everyone has a mansion and several cars. With a small population and so close to a large city, it is a peaceful paradise for those that can afford it. The serenity was shattered when a killer came calling early one morning in 1988 leaving two people dead and a community that would have to wait over 19 years for justice. Join Jen and Cam on this episode, ‘Beyond the Checkered Flag: Mickey and Trudy Thompson’ of Our True Crime Podcast.Listener discretion is by the renowned Edward OctoberpodVHS @octoberpodVHS.Our executive producer, who also does our music, is by Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-conviction-upheld-mickey-thompson-20150126-story.htmlhttps://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15150445/a-strange-turn-in-the-mickey-thompson-murders-case-car-news/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thompson-murder/man-guilty-of-killing-mickey-thompson-idUSN0419959320070104#:~:text=Michael%20Goodwin%2C%20who%20had%20long,without%20the%20possibility%20of%20parole.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7duRaJEFkhttps://www.ocregister.com/2012/02/15/mickey-thompsons-killer-plugging-away/https://www.ocregister.com/2012/02/15/mickey-thompsons-killer-plugging-away/https://us.motorsport.com/bike/news/arrest-made-in-mickey-and-trudy-thompson-murders/1944999/https://www.bikewriter.com/the-daily/2019/12/22/oae5g5acjhxbupwlt9qi3186xr9caehttps://www.espn.com/racing/news/story?id=2650942&seriesId=99https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/speed-king-mickey-thompson-killers-large-20-years-article-1.338885https://motocrossactionmag.com/my-afternoon-with-mike-goodwin-the-father-of-supercross-a-convicted-killer/https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/wheelshttps://www.ocregister.com/2015/01/26/conviction-is-upheld-in-murder-for-hire-of-racing-legend-mickey-thompson-and-his-wife/https://mynewsla.com/crime/2021/03/03/latest-appeal-denied-for-man-convicted-in-murders-of-mickey-thompson-wife/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Since the Columbine school shooting in 1999, many schools and institutions in the United States now hold active shooter drills. Per the NEA National Education Assoc, In the 2017-16 school year, over 4.1 million students had participated in at least 1 drill. Lockdowns and active shooter drills are normal now. School mass shootings only account for .2% of the 36k or so gun deaths in the United States.On October 1st, 2015 Nine students attending the Umpqua (Ump-Kwua) Community College would be included in that statistic and the other students on campus would know the true terror of coming close to death.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the Massacre At UCCBig thank you to Kiah Gleason for her help with the researchListener Discretion by Edward from Octoberpod VHShttps://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoThe Producer is Nico Vettese https://wetalkofdreams.com/And a huge thank you to Emma from True Crime Witch for writing the episode. You are a lifesaver!https://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/oregon-college-shooting/index.html https://www.umpqua.edu/about https://web.archive.org/web/20151016232700/http://www.katu.com/news/local/Reports-Active-shooter-on-the-Umpqua-Community-College-campus--330285921.html https://www.jstor.org/stable/43959201?mag=making-men-online&seq=1 https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2017/09/ucc_shooting_investigation_sho.html https://www.oregonlive.com/roseburg-oregon-school-shooting/2016/09/umpqua_community_college_shoot.htmlhttps://www.newsweek.com/45th-mass-shooting-america-2015-378803 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46507514 https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/gun-violence/16-facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/ https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html https://www.thetrace.org/2019/08/children-teens-gun-deaths-data/ https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-calendar-2015 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/2015-the-year-in-mass-shootings-34983/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xAAERl-VTc&t=338s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

**Special thanks to APOSTROPHE for sponsoring this episode of OTCP.Today we venture back in time to 1931, Honolulu Hawaii. At this time, the beautiful land was home to native Hawaiians but also immigrants who traveled to Hawaii for its alluring beauty and a shot at a better life. Honolulu was also home to many US Navy Soldiers stationed there. These young men brought their families to this paradise. The serene lifestyle would be turned upside down one summertime evening when a- 20 year old young woman is found on the side of the road. Her name is Thalia Massie, wife to a naval officer named Thomas Massie. She has scratches and bruises all over her face and body and has been beaten up. What unfolds is a severe miscarriage of justice and how privilege and prejudice are stronger than any court of law. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Island of Injustice: Massie Trial’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Listener discretion is by Edward OctoberpodVHS. He is a wonderful storyteller-check him out.Our show’s music is courtesy of our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams. Sources: https://www.famous-trials.com/massie/308-commentaryhttps://www.enterprisenews.com/article/20120722/News/307229896https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/5239128/massie-case-revisitedhttps://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/island-murder-five-men-accused-assaulting-thalia-massie/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/massie/peopleevents/p_thalia.htmlhttps://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/post-time-thalia-part-daughter-suicide-mother-unrepentant/baGwioS9z6GJAtjrU3W5CM/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6217390/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0771639/https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/5239128/massie-case-revisitedhttps://www.famous-trials.com/massie/310-rapetimelinehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/hawaii-s-scandalous-thalia-massie-trial-a7921741.htmlhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090749/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stannard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What pops in your head when the state of Texas is mentioned? Cattle? Oil? Football? Music? Texas is the 2nd largest state in the United States and Austin, Texas always makes it on the best cities to live in lists.Another list that Texas has made isn't quite as positive. That is Rolling Stones November 2014 list of 5 Worst States for LGBT People.In the 1980s and 90s, queer-bashing was a popular pastime for some Texas high school kids. In just 10 years, 1988 to 1998, at least 28 gay men in Texas had been killed in a hate crime.Today Cam and Jen discuss the deaths of two of these men, John Lloyd Griffin and Tommy Lee Trimble.This episode was written and researched by Jeremy Wayne.Listener discretion by OctoberpodVHS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wTheme music and editing by Nico Vettesewetalkofdreams.comSources:https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-5-worst-states-for-lgbt-people-198931/https://books.google.com/books?id=UWMEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=gay+bashing+in+texas+since+1988&source=bl&ots=wmGoPGXlWo&sig=ACfU3U35tY34977QkdxEAwRoZxkrPtd4dg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpqZyLh6DwAhXmMlkFHRFlBfkQ6AEwBnoECAYQAw#v=onepage&q=gay%20bashing%20in%20texas%20since%201988&f=falsehttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/1995/02/texas-murder-199502https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/breaking-down-texas-hate-crime-laws/285-2bf9d3c9-6a02-4fa5-873f-084bb360ea91https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1584549/https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1755439/m1/1/https://lgbt-history-archive.tumblr.com/post/153780039737/shame-on-you-judge-bednarski-drove-many-mileshttps://antifadallas.wordpress.com/2019/11/07/throwback-thursday-homophobic-killings-in-1988/http://www.texasobituaryproject.org/051588trimble-griffin.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/17/us/texas-judge-eases-sentence-for-killer-of-2-homosexuals.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1988/12/17/judges-remarks-on-gays-protested/649e6016-616e-4a72-892e-b9775fafcdd9/https://apnews.com/article/4285a88eca4b1466b31081086ef54c93 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Caffey family are resting peacefully in their beds in the Emory Texas home when all of a sudden someone bursts through the bedroom door. Shots ring out and both Terry Caffey and his wife Penny are being riddled with bullets. Terry jumps up from his bed even though he was shot and at that time, not even aware of how many times, he rushes out to go to his children. As he is attempting to get to the boys, he heard Matthew, age 13, cry out asking ‘why are you doing this? Why are you doing this?” Shots again ring out. Terry has made it into the hall and is trapped as fire is taking over the house. With nowhere else to go, Terry rushes back into his bedroom. It is at this time, he sees his wife Penny and knows it is too late for her: she is gone. When Terry was gone from the bedroom, a sword the family had on a wall for decoration, had been removed and used on Penny, nearly decapitating her. Terry, shot many times, is now running on adrenaline and knows he needs to get out, to get help because if he dies in this house, no one will know who committed this atrocity to his family. But he knows, he knows who it is and why they did it but what he doesn’t yet know will break his heart and shock the community. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Crazy in Love: Erin Caffey’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Please note this episode was previously released on our Patreon. Listener discretion is by the fabu Edward OctoberpodVHS @octoberpodVHSOur executive producer and composer is none other than the multi-talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams. Sources: https://murderpedia.org/female.C/c/caffey-erin.htmhttps://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/flesh-and-blood/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9j5hy83J5shttps://www.kltv.com/story/8132265/dad-wants-daughter-in-triple-murder-to-go-homehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1287412/Haunting-rendition-Amazing-Grace-murderer-Erin-Caffey.htmlhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/erin-caffeyhttps://medium.com/@michrkarr/erin-caffey-was-16-years-old-when-she-made-plans-to-kill-her-entire-family-1fd87ff818c3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEWL55W2vghttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt6189104/https://www.theforgivenessproject.com/stories/terry-caffey/https://www.oxygen.com/killer-couples/crime-news/erin-caffey-charlie-wilkinson-family-murder-dad-terry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Clare is a divorced mom of two when love walked into her life. She wasn’t expecting it but welcomed it with open arms. At first, it seemed like the couple was happy but soon Ed’s behavior was beginning to seem strange. Marrying this man would soon become not only the biggest mistake she ever made but a deadly one as well. Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss the episode ‘Deceptive Love: Ed Graf.’Listener discretion is by the ominous @octoberpodVHS.The show is executive produced and edited as well as all music is by the worldly @wetalkofdreams. Sources:https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-man-burned-sons-alive-1986-parole-article-1.1983381https://wacotrib.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/experts-to-testify-in-ed-graf-arson-murder-case-from-1980s/article_2df8e1f4-5f31-5b21-92e1-aa8f681c0e83.htmlhttps://wacotrib.com/news/crime/judge-sets-1-5-million-bond-for-graf-while-awaiting-new-trial/article_110d8266-2adc-5d42-a60d-c7de14b7e67f.htmlhttps://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-ed-graf-now/http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/08/ed_graf_arson_trial_texas_granted_him_a_new_trial_would_modern_forensic.htmlhttps://www.texasobserver.org/tag/ed-graf/https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-clare-bradburn-now/https://dailytimes.com/promotions/article_3a094ae6-c81e-11e4-8cb0-735746c19272.htmlhttps://wacotrib.com/news/crime/inmate-graf-admitted-killing-boys-said-he-wishes-he-had-also-killed-their-mother/article_a6bebb36-2254-5711-845b-e77e95db36d6.htmlhttps://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2014-11-06/20307/Innocence-Project-re-trial-frees-murderer-Ed-Graf,-Jr.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2809635/Texas-man-released-prison-just-six-days-admitted-murdering-8-9-year-old-adopted-stepsons-locking-shed-setting-fire-1986.htmlhttps://www.texasobserver.org/the-arson-files-after-serving-25-years-ed-graf-may-finally-receive-new-trial/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5489746/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Police were trying to bust a ring of thieves who were stealing yachts and then selling them. The detectives had received information that a yacht by the name of La Vita was stolen and was going to be docking nearby at Marina Bay Yacht Harbor in Richmond, just north of San Francisco. Detectives were waiting for this yacht to pull in and when it did, they wanted to have a little chat with the crew, in particular, a man by the name of Robert Denzil Kuns who they believed was involved in this. As the yacht pulled in, a man jumped out to tie up the boat. He was not Robert Kuns but another man by the name of William Leasure, an LAPD officer. Detectives were shocked to find one of their very on board but this was just the beginning of the end for Officer William Leasure in a shocking tale with a few surprises. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Gone Cop Gone Bad: Bill Leasure.’Promo by our friends at The Path Went Chilly @PathWentListener discretion is by the ever so gracious Edward October @octoberpodVHSAll music is by Nifty Nico @wetalkofdreams -we like him so much, we made him our executive producer as well. Sources: https://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/leasure-william.htmhttps://www.amazon.com/Murderer-Badge-Secret-Rogue-Crime/dp/0451404025https://medium.com/crimebeat/the-secret-life-of-an-veteran-officer-d896fb9b09abhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-10-27-tm-1150-story.htmlhttps://news.yahoo.com/william-bill-leasure-california-traffic-000110072.htmlhttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/12/27/Veteran-cop-his-prosecutor-wife-suspects-in-crime-spree/3166567579600/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-04-me-623-story.htmlhttps://oklahoman.com/article/2213235/ex-guard-guilty-in-1977-slayinghttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-04-16-me-246-story.htmlhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt7984222/?ref_=tt_chhttps://medium.com/crimebeat/the-secret-life-of-an-veteran-officer-d896fb9b09ab#:~:text=A%20mild%2Dmannered%20cop%20hid%20a%20big%20secret%20from%20everyone.&text=William%20married%20Betsy%20Mogul%20in,a%20law%20enforcement%20power%20couple. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1980, 32-year-old Virginia Uden and her two sons, 11-year-old Richard and 10-year-old Reagen, left for a day of fun but when they still had not arrived home, Virginia’s mother knew something was not right. After a fruitless search, Virginia’s ex-husband Gerald and her mother Claire phone police to file a missing person’s report. What no one knew at the time, would be that the case would go cold for many years until a man came forward with a peculiar story involving another murder. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss ‘United in Murder: Gerald and Alice Uden’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Listener Discretion is by the enigmatic Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music as well as our producer is the always nifty Nico @wetalkofdreams.This week’s promo is from our friends at @CorpusDelictiPC. Check them out.Sources: https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/gerald-alice-uden-murdershttps://ccheadliner.com/free/convicted-murderer-caught-in-chadwick-dies-in-wyoming-prison/article_8c7dc4cc-8e0e-11e9-b4cb-bf9e474dce00.htmlhttps://www.torringtontelegram.com/article/convicted-triple-murderer-asks-to-withdraw-confessionhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-couple-accused-in-wyoming-of-killing-ex-spouses-2-kids-over-30-years-ago/https://trib.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/a-convicted-murderer-now-blames-his-dead-wife-for-the-killings-her-daughter-says-hes/article_2e0e5319-f227-5475-8164-6e0326987521.htmlhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/missouri-couple-accused-in-wyoming-of-killing-ex-spouses-2-kids-over-30-years-ago/https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/man-tells-mother-he-hates-her-during-wyoming-murder-trial/article_880254f7-18ee-5894-897d-78e44363c4df.htmlhttps://www.gillettenewsrecord.com/news/wyoming/article_ad37f267-7c01-55db-bbec-bd9b9c3938ce.htmlhttps://thelanderjournal.com/story.php?id=14733&headline=uden-expresses-mixed-feelings-about-murder-of-ex-wife-two-sonshttps://ronfranscell.com/2019/06/18/geraldletter/https://murderpedia.org/female.U/u/uden-alice.htm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ethan wrote us another great script! Thank you, Ethan!The Whitakers were a perfect family. They were well known in the affluent city of Sugar Land Texas. But things aren't always what they seem. On the evening of Dec. 10, 2003, the family of four were gunned down as they returned home from a celebratory dinner. Mom, Tricia Whitaker, a retired teacher, and her youngest son 19-year-old, Kevin, died from their injuries. The dad, Kent, and oldest son Bart survived. Originally, police thought the Whitakers had interrupted a burglar but what they uncovered was a conspiracy to commit murder.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss Killing a Lie: Bart WhitakerListener discretion by Octoberpod VHS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer, editing and music by Nico Vettese https://www.wetalkofdreams.comWritten by Ethan Promo from Mike at Murder MileSources.https://medium.com/the-true-crime-edition/the-whitaker-family-murders-of-sugar-land-texas-885ff8468b0bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7SaEEjK4A&ab_channel=OWNhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/23/texas-man-who-murdered-his-mom-and-brother-spared-just-minutes-before-execution/366265002/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-death-row-inmate-could-be-spared-after-unusual-appeal-n850276https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/447932/s13-e43-family-interrupted?start=truehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bartlett_Whitakerhttps://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_info/whitakerthomas.htmlhttps://abc13.com/bart-whitaker-execution-death-row-granted-clemency-sugar-land-murders/3123361/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are beginning our case at the Del Mar Resort Hotel in Las Vegas and it is far from a resort. It is the kind of hotel that rents by the hour and adult movies are included in your room rental. The hotel has the usual cast of seedy characters that you expect on rotation. The Del Mar is no stranger to despair and darkness so on August 5, 1998, when a couple checks into the hotel and reports to the front desk that there is a putrid smell coming from the air conditioner, it is not out of the ordinary that someone may have died in the neighboring room. What was out of the ordinary was that the body was located inside the air conditioning vent making this not only a murder but the dead woman is at the center of what would become yet another huge scandal involving one of the richest American families ever to grace the East Coast. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Drug Addict, the Porn Star, and the Heiress: Pati Margello Murder.’Our listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.Promo by our friend Linsey @stolenfrommepodSources: https://www.vanityfair.com/style/1999/09/dunne199909https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWnXbom3nhUhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3571685/Scandalous-DuPont-heiress-dies-aged-87-18-years-gardener-turned-husband-paid-Las-Vegas-murder-son-s-drug-addled-prostitute-girlfriend.htmlhttps://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1998-09-18-1998261062-story.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/ec731fa00000fe8b6b9602340d979887https://lasvegassun.com/news/2004/may/27/du-pont-heiress-husband-dies/https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/05/02/dupont-heiress-pocked-scandalous-headlines-dies/83833334/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-mar-17-mn-9910-story.htmlhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/crime-history-body-found-in-cheap-hotel-leads-to-du-pont-familyhttps://nsngrandehomestay.com/blog/dupont-family-today-a4ebffhttp://yhvdv.xsl.pt/zuvhttp://30liss.dyndns.co.za/Dean-Macguigan-Died9.htmlhttps://timarit.is/page/3039799https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/lisa-moseley-obituary?pid=179825019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is Monday, April 14 2003 when co-workers of Maria Cruz become concerned. 35-year-old Maria was always a dependable, conscious employee who would just not show up for work. A few of her employee friends decide to swing by her apartment to check on her. They arrive at her home where they are greeted by a stack of newspapers on her front door. They knock on the door and no one answers it. Clearly, Maria is not home and has been gone for longer than just a day or two but they are sure she would have told them if she were planning a trip. One of her friends contacts her uncle who lives in nearby Queens and he immediately calls the police to report her missing and file a missing person’s report on Maria. What happened to Maria Cruz?Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Fake Doctor: Dean Faiello.’Our listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:Special thanks to one of my favorite writers, Bryan Burrough who wrote a fantastic piece on Faiello for Vanity Fair which is where I found the case: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/200406/burrough200406https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/nyregion/25doctor.htmlhttps://prisonlectionary.net/contributors/dean-faiello/https://web.archive.org/web/20000303020427/http://www.skinovations.com/hairRemoval.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/nyregion/17mbrfs-001.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/nyregion/fake-doctor-is-arrested-in-costa-rica.htmlhttps://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/black-hairy-tongue/symptoms-causes/syc-20356077 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On April 8, 2009, eight-year-old Tori Stafford disappeared while walking home from school in Woodstock Ontario. CCTV captures her walking away from the school with her abductor. News of her kidnapping spread across the nation and led to one of the largest searches in the Ontario Provincial Police history.Although her brutal captors were arrested and charged 6 weeks after Tori was taken,her broken body wouldn't be found for 103 days.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Taken: The Murder of Tori Stafford on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Listener discretion by the mysterious Edward October from @octoberpodVHS Check him out on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/OctoberpodHomeVideoEditing and all music by producer Nico Vettese @wetalkofdreams He's amazing!https://wetalkofdreams.com/Jen had a lot of help with research on this episode. A huge thank you to Eileen McFarlane from Crimelaspe Podcast. Please go check them out. https://www.crimelapsepodcast.com/Source:https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2009/05/23/tori_case_casts_light_on_woodstocks_drug_habit.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock,_Ontariohttps://www.cbha.org/about-us/cbha-blog/2020/august/small-towns-and-rural-areas-hit-hard-by-opioid-c/https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/workforce/blue-collar-workershttps://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/position-papers/opioid-crisis-north-america-position-paper#:~:text=The%20Opioid%20Crisis%20in%20North%20America,-2017&text=The%20opioid%2Ddriven%20public%20health,and%20some%202%2C500%20in%20Canada.https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/tori-stafford-abduction-details-revealed-1.888676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNMn3f2phw0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8j0OuwPK_Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX7RuWA1Jbchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtUf6ci14Yohttps://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/aboriginal/002003-2000-en.shtmlhttps://lfpress.com/news/local-news/lfp-archives-in-memory-of-tori-stafford-10-years-laterhttps://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/03/14/tori_stafford_trial_Terri-lynne_told_her_lover_she_would_take_the_blame.htmlhttps://globalnews.ca/news/245645/sentencing-hearing-statements-from-judge-rafferty-and-tori-staffords-brother/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A 9-1-1 call comes in from a woman who is speaking in a muffled voice barely understandable. The operator is able to understand that someone is hurt at a hotel in the town of Fallbrook which is located in the northern part of San Diego county. After the operator calms the caller down, he is able to get an address, and police are dispatched to the location. When officers arrive and knock on the door, they can hear noises coming from inside the room but are unable to make out just what is making the noise. The manager uses his key to get officers inside. Inside they find a woman on the ground and blood everywhere. The woman barely has clothes on but there are obvious signs of injury. As officers look around the room, they notice a spiked collar near her body. In the bathroom, there is an array of knives and scalpels. They also notice a letter that informs them of yet another body. What officers are about to discover is a twisted, dark tale that seems like the plot of a bad mystery novel. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Binding Love: Brittany Kilgore.’As always, our listener discretion is provided by the amazing Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music as well as our executive producer is the remarkable Nico from @wetalkofdreams.Sources: https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/grisly-details-in-search-warrants-in-marine-wifes-murder/509-95ba55fe-50cd-4769-bfe4-ec4fc6630b74https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134576/Brittany-Killgore-murder-BDSM-sex-posts-Marine-Louis-Perez-clues-person-interest.htmlhttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/marine-wife-brittany-killgore-haunting-text-article-1.1068813https://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/apr/27/husband-slain-marine-wife-brittany-killgore-speaks/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brittany-killgore-murder-suspects-killed-to-satisfy-sexual-fetishes-documents-say/https://abcnews.go.com/US/brittany-killgore-suspicion-murder-arrest-made-california-womans/story?id=16154801https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/tag/brittany-kilgore/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brittany-killgore-murder-suspects-killed-to-satisfy-sexual-fetishes-documents-say/https://abcnews.go.com/US/brittany-killgore-hearing-begin-torture-murder-marine-wife/story?id=18702222https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/brittany-killgore-murder-sentencing-fallbrook-louis-perez-dorothy-maraglino-jessica-lopez/90008/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Before you listen to this particular episode, I wanted to mention that the perpetrator in the case targeted sex workers many of whom were indigenous women struggling with addiction and/or mental health issues. According to www.statista.com, in 2018, the rate of homicide victims among women in Canada was more than six times higher for the indigenous population. Often, victims of violent crimes, Indigenous people are twice as likely to suffer a physical assault, and three times as likely to become victims of robbery and sexual assault compared to their non-indigenous counterparts. If you would like to find out more about Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, please visit.amnesty.ca or kairoscandada.org. Robert William Pickton was a Canadian farmer who, along with his brother, would run the farming business after his parents passed away. The men had some success with the farming but Robert's greatest legacy had nothing to do with farming. This is a grotesque story about a man who would ultimately be responsible for a series of missing women and the horror they must have endured.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'The Pig Farmer: Robert Pickton' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Giant Thank YOU to Ryan @JonesAndJonesy for this listener submission. Listener discretion is always voiced by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHSThe show's music and executive producer is the fabu Nico @wetalkof dreams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eddie Sexton was an ordained minister so all those in town knew him and he was the go-to guy who could marry you and fast with little fuss. Eddie and his wife, Estella May had 12 children in all, seven boys and five girls. From the outside, this large church-going family seemed to be an ideal family but we all know looks can be deceiving and in this case, twisted and deadly. This is a story about a father who ruled with an iron fist by instilling fear, among other things, to get exactly what he wanted. After all, he always got what he wanted because if he didn't there would be hell to pay. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss "Honor Thy Father or Die: Eddie Sexton" on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Promo is by our friend Stu @britishmurdersListener discretion by the affable Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAll music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams -he's the bestSources: http://users.zoominternet.net/~dknox/paladinreports/sexton1.htmhttps://prodeathpenalty.com/case/sextons-familyhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt4975082/https://apnews.com/article/e9efa9c6bbbe40d9deb3371982cebbffhttps://www.loganbanner.com/features/dwight-williamson-a-notorious-family-with-logan-county-ties/article_bdb512ac-d3c2-5980-a2d0-29d4bd87c95d.htmlhttps://law.fsu.eduhttps://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-supreme-court/1000203.htmlhttps://www.tampabay.com/archive/1994/02/26/sexton-family-horrors-recalled/https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1994-02-20-9402200530-story.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Lee_Sexton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On August 20th, 1979 civil lawyer Wallace Schwartz gets a phone call at 2:12 AM When he answers he hears his friend, 38-year-old Albert Fentress, in a low emotionless tone, say he is going to kill himself because he did something awful, something unthinkable. The story that Albert would tell his friend Wallace would be a tale of cannibalization, mutilation, and murder involving a teenager. The man who committed this heinous crime would become the darling of prison officials but the question remains: Did Albert lose touch with reality that summer afternoon or did Albert know exactly what he did and how to get away with it? Join Cam and Jen on this episode as we discuss Albert Fentress: New York's Own Hannibal Lector.Edward from OctoberpodVHS does our amazing listener discretion. Make sure to listen to his original work at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wNico Vetesse is our Producer he composed our theme music. Check him out, he's brilliant.https://wetalkofdreams.com/This is the paper written by Judge Rosenblatt Jen was talking ofhttps://www.leagle.com/decision/1980282103misc2d1791253Also, the fiction book written by a former student. It is NOT about Fentress. Jen https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Call-Jode-Millman/dp/1732467498/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=sources:https://www.newspapers.com/clip/33196905/teacher-held-in-teen-agers-shooting/https://www.newspapers.com/clip/33197189/sources-say-murder-victim-shot-twice/https://www.newspapers.com/image/114187600/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/114932051/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/114421591/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/114625860/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/114771743/?terms=albert%20fentress%20gun&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/145121001/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/115044274/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/115044274/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/114736509/?terms=albert%20fentress&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are venturing to the college town of College Station, Texas home of Texas A&M.They like simple things like studying, partying and football. They also like getting to meet new people who share similar interests, especially if that interest is Aggie Football. Kerry Kujawa is a 20-year-old engineering major at the university and just like a lot of other students, he has a 21-year-old girlfriend name, Kelly McCauley. They were just like any other college student couple: cute, carefree, and working hard to get grades and graduate while having a little fun in between. They were, however, unlike most couples in one aspect: the two had never actually met. They haven’t even talked on the phone. They had only communicated in the chat room. Kerry had asked over and over to meet up with Kelly but the timing just didn’t seem to work out. It seems Kelly was not being completely honest with Kerry. What could have been a deceitful lie turned into murder. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss The Pretender: Kenny Wayne Lockwood on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Today’s promo is by our friend at @PodcastRiddleOur listener discretion is by the incredible Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music, as well as our executive producer, is the remarkable Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/250410https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cyberdating-site-unseen/https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/news-of-the-weird/Content?oid=904400https://www.irishtimes.com/news/when-the-net-closes-in-1.282385https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4012856/https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/04/28/Murder-suspect-allegedly-used-Internet/4685956894400/https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/30641997.pdfhttps://www.bailbondshq.com/texas/hays-inmate-Lockwood/20001540https://www.publicpolicerecord.com/texas/sanmarcos-jail/Lockwood_Kenny/20001540 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, it the very final episode of 2020 and day 12 of our Nightmare Before Christmas series. So far we have traveled back in time and to other countries, like the UK, Australia, and Japan. In this last episode, we are going into our own backyard. A St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter opens an anonymous letter sent to him from someone praising him for a recent story he wrote about a murdered sex worker. However, this was not the normal fan mail as it included a map with an ‘X’ pointing to where the next dead sex worker would be found dead. Authorities go to the site in West Alton unsure of what they would find. Sadly, ‘X’ did mark the spot but this was just the beginning of a sadistic serial killer who wouldn’t stop until he made a mistake on his home computer.****edit*** A man by the name of Donald Younge Jr was charged with the murders of 3 of the women found in East St Louis in garbage bags. There names are Seriece Johnson, 33; Ramona Sidney, 31, and Tracy Williams, 38. Younge was stabbed and killed in prison before he could be tried. Jen and Cam would like to thank our very own wise men: Edward October from @octoberpodVHS who does our listener discretion and Nico @wetalkofdreams who does our music and produces us. Love to you both for helping us put another year in the books.Sources:https://www.newspapers.com/image/141225425/https://www.newspapers.com/image/141225498/https://www.newspapers.com/image/142073343/?terms=maury%20travis%20video%20tapes&match=1https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/from-the-archives-st-louis-serial-killer-victims-were-less-than-human-to-him-police/article_6d10868c-b3ef-5e32-81ab-bd450eb85268.amp.htmlhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-found-serial-killer-lived-home-watching-tv/story?id=24467447https://www.vice.com/en/article/znwq79/this-lady-signed-a-lease-she-found-out-she-was-stuck-in-a-murder-house-709https://news.stlpublicradio.org/government-politics-issues/2019-04-26/was-a-serial-killer-responsible-for-the-murder-of-six-women-in-east-st-louis-this-expert-thinks-sohttps://www.newspapers.com/image/142839867/https://www.newspapers.com/image/142825821/?terms=mary%20shields&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/142825907/https://www.newspapers.com/image/142858026/?terms=teresa%20wilson&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/142858029https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1095694/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Health care workers are angels walking on this earth. In the last nine months, these angels have been pulling double duty saving the lives of our loved ones and caring for them when they are sick all while trying to take care of themselves. They often hold life and death in their hands and work so hard to save lives. That is what they do...most of them ...but not all. In 1992, there was a nurse in Texas who would prey on the helpless and most innocent of all: babies. Join Jen and Cam on Day 11 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘On the Death Ward: Genene Jones.’Our holiday listener discretion is by the very ornamental @octoberpodVHS. Edward is the present we never knew we needed. All of our music is by the never naughty Nico @wetalkofdreams. This awesome little bell is also our executive producer. Jen and Cam wish you a very merry holiday season. Love ya, Cam and JenSources:https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-baby-killer-pleads-guilty-to-a-new-murderhttps://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-death-shift-2/https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Child-killer-Genene-Jones-is-expected-to-take-a-14977763.phphttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/Genene-serial-baby-killer-early-release_n_828023.htmlhttp://www.thecrimemag.com/explaining-wicked-phenomenon-angels-death/http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/us/texas-nurse-baby-death-indictment/index.htmlhttps://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Killer-nurse-Genene-Jones-sentenced-to-life-14980862.phphttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/17/texas-killer-nurse-genene-jones-guilty-infant-death/4499258002/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/26/angel-of-death-nurse-charged-with-killing-another-baby-suspected-in-up-to-60-other-slayings/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/us/texas-nurse-children.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On the 10th day of the 12 Nightmare Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen talk about Clifford Bartholomew.Clifford Bartholomew lived until the ripe old age of 72 and had lived a wonderful life with his wife of twenty-two years and his seven adopted children. When the beloved father and grandfather died, the family knew they would miss him terribly and things would never be the same. What they did not yet know, was the man they loved had a secret and that secret was that he was responsible for one of the worst incidences of a mass family killing in Australia.Sources:A huge Thank You to Alan Sharpe. His book was used as my top research for this episodeCrime and Punishment; 50 Crimes that Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpehttps://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=13991047612&searchurl=an%3Dalan%2Bsharpe%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dcrime%2Bpunishment%2Bcrimes%2Bshocked&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5775957/The-secret-life-one-Australias-worst-mass-murderers.htmlhttps://www.thatslife.com.au/cliff-palmer-family-secrethttps://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=336&dat=19710907&id=srVSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=fH8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5789,1358515&hl=dehttps://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=799&dat=19710904&id=eJdhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=WFIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=945,4083367https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bvdjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-eQDAAAAIBAJ&dq=bartholomew%20killed&hl=de&pg=2879%2C8642186https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=G8NUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=u5ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6660%2C1444966https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5775957/The-secret-life-one-Australias-worst-mass-murderers.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Day Nine and we are taking a plane flight to Zama City, Japan which is a suburb of Toyko and also home to the United States' Camp Zama Army base. The story begins with two investigators from the Metropolitan Police Department's Personal Safety-related Case Comprehensive Countermeasures Headquarters and Takao Station. This unit, which usuallt dealt with stalking, had a much different case on this day in October of 2017. A report had been made about a missing woman who was supposed to met a man she had been speaking to on Twitter and had not been seen since departing to meet him. Police approach the apartment, and, after a knock on the door, a young man answered. When asked if he knew where the missing woman may be, he replied that he did not know. An astute investigator looked beyond the man and noticed a woman’s purse in his apartment. The investigators didn’t have to pressure him for long about the whereabouts of the missing 23 year old. Minutes later he calmly pointed to a freezer and simply said, ‘in there.” What the investigators could not yet know what just how many bodies they would soon discover. Join Jen and Cam on day 9 of Our True Crime Podcast’s the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘Twitter Killer: Takahiro Shiraishi.’That snappy holiday jingle that warns you not to listen if you have a weak heart, that is our very own reindeer Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.All music is from St. Nico of @wetalkofdreams. He is such a saint to deal with us, we made him our executive producer too. Sources: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/15/946625736/japans-twitter-killer-sentenced-to-death-in-killing-of-9https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/japans-twitter-killer-sentenced-to-deathhttps://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/30/national/crime-legal/zama-mass-murder-suspect-says-interviews-nine-victims-objects-desire/https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/10/30/national/crime-legal/zama-mass-murder-suspect-says-interviews-nine-victims-objects-desire/https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/inside-the-mind-of-a-serial-killerhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54366806https://www.sankei.com/affairs/news/181028/afr1810280015-n1.htmlhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-japan-s-suspected-serial-killer-went-from-quiet-child-to-sex-trade-scouthttps://www.firstpost.com/world/japans-takahiro-shiraishi-dubbed-twitter-killer-sentenced-to-death-for-dismembering-nine-people-9113991.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/world/asia/japan-serial-killer-takahiro-shiraishi.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On August 17, 1991, 33-year-old Wade Frankum wakes for the day. He gets dressed in casual clothes with a beanie on his head and a duffle bag in his hand. Frankum went to the train station to buy a ticket to Strathfield but gave the rail worker, whom he knew, a strange command: "you'd better go home." Frankum then walked away to catch the train to Strathmore, after all, Frankum was on a mission of murder. What would happen later this day would leave a trail of victims and a hero who would rise to the top. Join Jen and Cam on day 8 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss 'The Strathfield Massacre: Wade Frankum' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Holly Jolly Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our listener discretion.Noel Nico @wetalkofdreams does all our music and also is our executive producer. Sources:A huge Thank You to Alan Sharpe. His book was used as my top research for this episodeCrime and Punishment: 50 Crimes that Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpehttps://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=13991047612&searchurl=an%3Dalan%2Bsharpe%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dcrime%2Bpunishment%2Bcrimes%2Bshocked&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1https://www.monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/culture/crime/display/108075-strathfield-massacre-memorialhttps://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365http://www.global-logic.net/issue.htmhttps://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/frankum-wade.htmhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/reliving-an-australian-massacre-only-a-few-people-seem-to-remember/news-story/646bc84c1c317654209d116eb7664ba7https://www.9news.com.au/national/sex-worker-sydney-news-adapts-changing-world-of-oldest-profession/6819e8e6-37af-4bb2-b562-e1a52d8388a1https://web.archive.org/web/20080216044406/https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/28/ch4.pdfhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/it-took-one-massacre-how-australia-made-gun-control-happen-after-port-arthurhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryanthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strathfield_massacre Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On August 19 in 1979 Edda Kane went for a hike in a scenic park that overlooked the San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge. Usually Edda would enjoy these hikes with a friend or two but on this particular day, no one wanted to go with her. When Edda did not return home at the time she was expected, her husband called police. Worried that perhaps she fell and hurt herself, the police put together a search team but sadly, they could not locate her. Her body was found the next day, she had been murdered. What authorities did not yet know was this vicious predator was just getting started his stalking in California’s parks. Join Jen and Cam on Day 7 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘Trailside Killer: David Carpenter’ on this Our True Crime Podcast. Listener Discretion is by our favorite Frosty the Snowman Edward Octoberpod from @octoberpodVHS.Our music is from our bestest snowman ever Nico @wetalkofdreams. Nico also executive produces the podcast.Sources:Graysmith, Robert (April 3, 1991), The Sleeping Lady: The Trailside Murders Above the Golden Gate, Onyx, ISBN 978-0451402554http://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/4th/21/1016.htmlhttp://travel.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/travel/echoes-of-the-savage-and-sublime-on-mount-tamalpais.htmlhttps://www.aetv.com/real-crime/david-carpenter-serial-killer-trailside-killer-californiahttp://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/david_carpenter/12.htmlhttps://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/carpenter-david-joseph.htmhttps://listverse.com/2019/08/06/10-awful-facts-about-the-trailside-killer/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On the 6th day of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen talk about Leo Held.Massacres in the workplace have become all too familiar in today’s society, but crimes like these were fairly unheard of in 1967. Sadly that would change one chilly fall morning when Leo Held woke up, got ready for work, kissed his wife goodbye, dropped his children off at school, and then went to his workplace where he unleashed a rampage. The slaughter would not end there as he was not done killing. After all, he was still upset with a few people.Join Can and Jen as we discuss In a Fit of Rage: Leo HeldListener discretion by the supremely talented Edward October of OctoberpodVHSmake sure to check him out at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wAll music, editing, and sound are done by the multitalented and super handsome Nico Vetesse.https://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources:SourcesBig thanks to Don Sarvey. He wrote the book Day of Rage: Model citizen turns cold-blooded killer in a Pennsylvania small town.He compiled all the news articles from that horrible day and then interviewed many of the survivors in 2011. Most of the quotes I’ve used today were taken from his hard work, Blood sweat and tears go into writing a book and I want to get sure he gets all the credit.Day of Rage: Model Citizen Turns Cold-Blooded Killer in a Pennsylvania Small Town Don Sarveyhttps://www.amazon.com/s?k=Day+of+Rage%3A+Model+Citizen+Turns+Cold-Blooded+Killer+in+a+Pennsylvania+Small+Town+Kindle+Edition&i=digital-text&ref=nb_sb_nosshttps://www.lockhaven.com/news/community/2017/10/the-fury-of-leo-held/https://www.uslawbooks.com/news/held.htmhttps://www.uslawbooks.com/news/held.htmhttps://www.wnep.com/amp/article/news/local/clinton-county/50-years-since-mass-shooting-in-clinton-county/523-3e5ba9cb-8dd2-41f9-bf52-c9e0f0e395cfhttps://apnews.com/article/90117a56d5b861313b6721c3c25d42a5https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/active-shooter-used-to-refer-to-sportsmen-now-you-cringe-when-you-hear-it/2017/06/16/f281209c-5216-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.htmlhttps://www.lockhaven.com/news/community/2017/10/the-fury-of-leo-held/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On December 10 1973, a young man lured two underage hitchhikers into his car and drove them to the outskirts of town. What the man didn’t know is that he picked the wrong two girls to attack that fall evening. The victims fought viciously with the man. Frustrated, the man took out his gun and fired. Shocked and thrown off guard when the gun misfired, the girls made a run for it and escaped. The woman went straight to the police to tell them what happened. They not only gave police a description of the man and his car, but they also had one other piece of information about this stranger. We never want to think our loved one could be evil but as we all know, there is real evil out there and sometimes it is your brother or son. Sometimes the person you love grows up to be a monster you never knew.Join Jen and Cam on Day 5 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas as we discuss ‘The Monster You Never Knew: Bernard Eugene Giles.’Hear that jingle jangle? It’s the amazing Edward October from @octoberpodVHS who does our very special holiday listener discretion.That catchy theme song is by our multi talented executive producer Nico from @wetalkofdreams.Happy Holidays! Love ya, Jen and CamSourceshttps://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/bernard-giles-serial-killer-crimes-15798955https://casetext.com/case/giles-v-state-98https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/bernard-giles-piers-morgan-confessions-of-a-serial-killer-itv-murders-255363https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/07/piers-morgan-realised-serial-killer-bernard-giles-unnerving-pen-pocket-interview-8471530/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Christian Nielson had moved into the Black Bear Bed & Breakfast in Newry, Maine to start a new job helping out owner Julie Bullard. For his few months on the job, things seemed to be going well for the 31-year-old but over Labor Day weekend, Christian’s father would receive an odd phone call from the young man that would cause alarm. When his father drove to the inn to check on him, alarm turned to shock. Join Cam and Jen as they discuss The Murders at the Black Bear Inn: Christian Nielson.Edward October from Octoberpodvhs jingle jangled on our Listener Discretion. Make sure to enjoy his work at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wOur world-class Producer Nico Vetesse wrote our theme music and also does sound and editing.Check him out at https://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources:https://murderpedia.org/male.N/n/nielsen-christian.htm#:~:text=Nielsen%20is%20accused%20of%20killing,arrived%20at%20the%20inn%20unexpectedly.http://archive.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/09/07/rent_dispute_may_have_preceded_maine_deaths/?__goto=loginpagehttps://www.thecinemaholic.com/christian-c-nielsens-victims/https://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/20071017/News/710170337https://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20070504/news/705040479https://www.publicpolicerecord.com/maine/doc-prisoner/Nielsen_Christian/99897https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/signs-of-a-psychopath/full-episodes/into-the-woods-at-midnight Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For our third nightmare before Christmas, we are going to Pepperall, Massachusets which is located right outside Boston. Your home is your place of peace. It is the place where you can relax and let down your guard. It is the last place you would expect to come face to face with a monster but in the fall of 1986, this quaint northeastern town would become the stuff of nightmares and all at the hands of a teenager.Join Jen and Cam on day 3 of The 12 Nightmares Before Christmas of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss 'A Ghost in the House: Daniel LaPlant.'A Very Special Listener Discretion by Santa's Helper: Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.That jingle that you are tapping your foot to is courtesy of our Christmas Angel, Nico from @wetalkofdreams. We love him so much, we made him our executive producer too. Sources: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/03/05/daniel-laplante-parole-sjchttps://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/23/daniel-laplante-priscilla-gustafson-murder-1987-townsend/https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/22/killer-three-townsend-seeks-sentence-reduction/g05AdJcWXPBZiAS9rvHYDI/story.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/62774b5cb1a24adcaa6e71c51431a001https://medium.com/the-true-crime-edition/is-somebody-else-living-in-your-house-b8c036eaa7f9https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5039796/https://www.parkaman.com/strange-case-daniel-laplante-real-night-horror-story/https://www.pajiba.com/horror/how-has-this-insane-true-crime-not-become-a-horror-movie-.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brian Blackwell was described as a great student with brains, doting parents, and a sense of entitlement. When he wanted a better life for himself, he only needed to do a few things. All of these things would require lies to make his fantasy become his reality. It was just a few little white lies to impress his girlfriend. Not a big deal, after all, no one ever died from those types of lies... no one until July 2004. On the 2nd day of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas series, Cam and Jen discuss 18-year-old Brian Blackwell.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wTheme music, sound, and editing by the talented Nico Vetesse. If you need any type of music composed, he's amazing!https://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources:https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/blackwell-brian.htmhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hcgryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Blackwellhttps://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/brian-blackwellhttps://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-documentary-sheds-light-shocking-12899520https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5iur8dhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/29/ukcrimehttps://.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542474/Son-who-killed-parents-must-pay-back-37000.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know the old you live by the gun, you die by the gun. This tale has all the makings of a 1930’s film noir gangster movie however these men were not very gangster at all--in fact, they would have to return their membership card if they had one. One is goofier than the next. One of my favorites sayings is “You can’t make this s*it up” and boy does this apply to this story. The scene opens with a motley crew of rough looking fellas talking over whiskeys and trying to come up with a way to make some fast, easy cash. The date is July 1932 and prohibition was still going strong. The setting is in the Bronx as friends, 27-year-old Anthony ‘Tony’ Marino, a speakeasy proprietor, 28-year-old Joseph "Red" Murphy, a former chemist and current bartender at Marino’s speakeasy, 24-year-old Francis Pasqua, an undertaker who owned a local funeral home, and 29-year-old Daniel Kriesberg, who was a grocer and father of three. The final player is a cab driver named Hersey or Harry Green. The scene opens as these gentlemen are sitting around in Marino’s speakeasy trying to come up with a no-fail plan to make some fast money. One word: insurance. So begins the tale of Mike Malloy, the man who wouldn’t die. This is the 1st Nightmare Before Christmas episode of Our True Crime Podcast’s 3rd Annual ‘12 Nightmares Before Christmas.’ We are coming at you with an episode a day for twelve days prior to Christmas helping you ring in the holiday season with a little something for true crime listeners to enjoy as they wrap, shop, cook, clean, and do all the holiday things.Make sure to tune in each day to catch another episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we count down the days to Christmas. As always our special holiday listener discretion is from the holy Edward Octoberpod from @octoberpodVHS. Check him out.All music is from our main angel Nico from @wetalkofdream. We love him so much, we made him our executive producer. We put a ring on it. Sources:https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/arts-and-books/mike-malloy-murder-crime-new-york-story-who-was https://www.drinkingcup.net/1933-the-legend-of-iron-mike-malloy-and-the-murder-trust/https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/incredible-story-durable-mike-malloy-donegal-man-living-new-york-simply-refused-die-169395https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Malloy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He is handsome, well dressed, and polite but most of all he showers you with all the attention that you could ever need. You find yourself falling in love with this amazing guy and maybe, just perhaps, it is with your deep love for him, that you can’t see what is right in front of your eyes because standing right there in front of you is someone that you would truly never really know or want to know. This is the story of serial killer Nathaniel White. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “The Monster In Front of You: Nathaniel White.”Promo is by Always Time For True Crime podcast @ATFTCPodcastOur Listener Discretion is by our favorite groovy elf, Edward October @octoberpodVHS.Our Executive Producer and Composer is from the OTCP Angel, Nico @wetalkofdreams. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On August 4, 2002, best friends Jessica and Holly enjoyed a day together after being apart for 2 weeks. At 8 pm, Holly's mother goes to check on the girls. They had disappeared. After 2 weeks of what would be one of the U.K.'s largest searches, the two girl's bodies were found. So was the monster who had killed them.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the horrible murders of two sweet, young girls. Promo by our friends at The Dumb Found Dead Podcasthttps://twitter.com/tdfdpod?lang=enListener discretion by the soothing voice of Edward October ofhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer and theme music by ever-amazing Nico Vetesse.https://wetalkofdreams.com/I'd like to give a huge shout out to the following books. Without them, I couldn't have done this episode correctly. Although any words I mispronunciations are all my fault. :) I strongly recommend all of these if you want a much deeper dive into this horrible case. Warning: grab a box of tissues and prepare to be angry.Goodbye, Dearest Holly: Ten Years On by Kevin Wellshttps://www.amazon.com/sk=Goodbye%2C+Dearest+Holly%3A+Ten+Years+On+Kindle+Edition&i=digital-text&ref=nb_sb_nossBeyond Evil - Inside the Twisted Mind of Ian Huntley. John Blake. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009DCTQUQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o02?ie=UTF8&psc=1Flowers In Gods Garden by Bernard O`Mahoney https://www.amazon.com/Flowers-Garden-Bernard-%60Mahoney-2012-04-30/dp/B01K92CIDA/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=more sources:https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a11435528/soham-murders-jessica-chapman-holly-wells-ian-huntley/https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-soham-murderer-ian-huntley-13430171https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bodies-of-holly-and-jessica-had-been-set-on-fire-77180.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/aug/17/childprotection.children4https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399374/Ian-Huntley-reveals-chilling-moments-Holly-Jessica.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murdershttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9136616/maxine-carr-caught-out-tv-interview-ian-huntley/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5557736/maxine-carr-ian-huntley-soham-murders/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19-year-old Sonya Ivanoff was a standout in her small community of Nome Alaska. Sonja, who moved to Nome about two years prior, had made a name for herself on the basketball court in high school so almost everyone knew Sonya. On the evening of August 10, 2003, Sonja and her friend went out to have some fun. It was near midnight when the friends separated to do other things. When the roommate woke up the next morning and Sonja was not at home, worry set in. Police launch an investigation but with only a 7 person police team, specialists had to be flown in. Officers were working day and night to find out what happened to Sonya. When the truth finally came out, it was not only shocking but had been right in front of them the whole time.Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Cold Justice: Sonya Ivanoff’on this week’s episode. Promo by our friends Emily and Eileen who join forces to bring you their brand new podcast entitled ‘The Shattered Window,’ an investigative true-crime podcast series hosted by Emily G. Thompson & Eileen Macfarlane. Listener discretion is by the host with the most, Edward October, from @octoberpodVHSAll our original music is by our executive producer and editor (also a terrific human being) Nico from @wetalkofdreamsSources: https://www.dailyherald.com/topic/4137602913/Sonya%20Ivanoff/en/https://www.q13fox.com/news/in-small-alaska-city-native-women-say-police-ignored-rapeshttps://www.indianz.com/News/archives/002379.asphttps://www.adn.com/alaska-news/rural-alaska/2018/08/23/from-2003-nome-police-must-work-to-regain-trust-after-officer-charged-with-murder/https://casetext.com/case/owens-v-state-590https://www.knom.org/wp/blog/2020/09/25/nome-public-safety-advisory-commission-not-involved-in-florence-okpealuk-case-and-not-by-choice/https://www.discoveryuk.com/series/the-face-of-evil-3/https://www.facebook.com/NativeLivesTakenByPolice/photos/sonya-dora-nitcuk-ivanoff-19-yrs-old-inupiaq-nome-alaska-was-murdered-by-a-nome-/917953178293302/https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/ex-police-officer-on-trial-in-alaska-killing/http://www.justicefornativewomen.com/2016/05/the-murder-of-sonya-ivanoff-found.htmlhttps://www.indianz.com/News/archives/002395.asphttps://www.indianz.com/News/archives/002379.asp Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is 1988 and we are going to Florida in a town called Alturas where a man received a strange and anonymous letter in the mail. The note which had been typed stated, “ You and all your so-called family have 2 weeks to move out of Florida forever or else you will all die. This is no joke.” At first, they believed this to be a prank but they would soon be proved wrong. What they didn’t yet know is how many would die and who in the world would ever have a problem with this nice suburban family. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Stark Raving Mad: George Trepal’ on this edition of Our True Crime Podcast. Listener D is by the smooth talking Edward October @octoberpodVHS.All Music, Editing and Exeutive P’ing is by Never the Sloucher Nico @wetalkofdreams. Sources:https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-circuit/1606616.htmlhttps://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-31-9604110244-story.htmlhttps://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-31-9604110244-story.htmlhttps://delanirbartlette.medium.com/george-trepal-evil-genius-69896b7c69c5https://www.theledger.com/article/LK/20160103/News/608074776/LLhttps://malefactorsregister.com/wp/poison-for-dummies/https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/content/download/345265/file/01-2267_petition.pdfhttps://static1.squarespace.com/static/58dd76f1be6594d2a2b003ec/t/5b7f7cd2cd8366e8f19997e9/1535081684070/trepal+PETITION+FOR+EXECUTIVE+CLEMENCY+IN+A+CAPITAL+CASE.pdfhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/psycho-genius-inspired-agatha-christies-21556713 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2003, Sandy Jeffers had the world on a string. She was set to receive her 2nd undergraduate degree and was planning to start the doctoral program at the University of Tennessee in the fall.Sandy was a sweet, young woman, the type of person that people like to be around. Unfortunately, Sandy caught the attention of someone she didn't know. Someone that she wouldn't know until it was too late.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Through an Open Window: Sandy Jeffers.If you are in need of help, please reach out and get help.Victim Connect: 1-855-4VICTIM (1-855-484-2846)National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1−800−799−7233 or TTY 1−800−787−3224 En EspañolThe National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-HOPE (4673)Promo by our friend Linsey @stolenfrommepodListener Discretion by the amazing Edward @octoberpodvhsProducer and music by the phenomenal Nico @wetalkofdreamsSources:https://www.marshall.edu/wcenter/stalking/characteristic-of-a-stalker/https://donotpay.com/learn/stalkers/http://cutekillers.com/?p=140https://victimsofcrime.org/stalking-resource-center/https://www.newspapers.com/image/284094041/?terms=aaron%20lee%20skeen&match=1http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/910874/postshttps://www.ourmidland.com/news/article/Body-of-Abducted-Tenn-Student-Found-7097398.phphttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt4111430/episodes?season=1&ref_=tt_eps_sn_1https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thecyberseekerssociety/aaron-skeen-guilty-murder-of-sandy-jeffers-t1723.htmlhttp://www.tba2.org/tba_files/TCCA/2006/skeena081406.pdfhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1684682/postshttps://ssristories.org/man-murders-25-year-old-woman/https://www.newspapers.com/image/593343447/?terms=sandy%2Bjeffershttps://www.newspapers.com/image/336376496/?terms=sandy%20jeffers%20kidnapped&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/593232522/?terms=aaron%2Blee%2Bskeenhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/113675021/?terms=sandy%2Bjeffers%2Bmurderhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/284091076/?terms=SANDY%2BJEFFERS%2BAARON%2BSKEEN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

*Warning: this episode is extremely graphic. It deals with the death of a child and animal mutilation. Discretion is advised. It is April 13, 1995, when the daughter of 48 year old Rita Huffman was trying to reach her mom who was not answering the phone. Her sister, 15 year old Amanda was not asnwering the phone either making it especially strange since teens love the phone. Since she felt that something was not right, she headed over to the house to check on her mom and sister. When she arrived the front door was locked so she went into the backyard and entered through the sliding glass door. Once she entered the house, she would find a vicious brutal crime scene. A monster had paid and visit to this innocent, beautiful family. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss The Werewolf Butcher: Jack Spillman. Promo is from our friend Jack Luna @real_leroy_luna and his new podcast EXCUSE ME, THAT’S ILLEGALListener Discretion by our friend with the mystical, magical voice: Edward October @octroberpodVHSOur music is produced by our executive producer Nico from @wetalkofdreamsSources: https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sphttps://www.newsbreak.com/washington/spokane/news/1532078989796/jack-spillman-aka-the-werewolf-butcher-brutally-mutilated-one-woman-and-two-girls-in-washington-state-evil-lives-here-investigatesillman-jack-owen.htmhttps://www.spokesman.com/stories/1996/may/01/spillman-pleads-guilty-to-killing-mother-daughter/https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/lifestyles/an-escalating-evil-seeds-of-deviancy-planted-in-childhood-experts-say/article_cc7d6b98-0897-5da3-afe1-a5a77928c55f.html (special thanks to Dee Riggs who did a great article)https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/local/a-serial-killer-emerges-long-before-he-murdered-rita-and-mandy-huffman-there-were-plenty/article_df4766dc-a4c2-57ff-98f6-91803dfd247c.htmlhttps://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19960501&slug=2326904(below is graphic) https://books.google.com/books?id=BDXNBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=penny+davis+spillman&source=bl&ots=QGOOg4190t&sig=ACfU3U3iuguZAgZ7eEPSpDNRc3SnoAd0Aw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNkPiflNfsAhXTK80KHRKkDUk4ChDoATASegQIBxAC#v=onepage&q=penny%20davis%20spillman&f=falseCheck out Evil Lives Here for an enlightening look into the killer's life told by his sisters. Season 7, Ep. 12 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When someone claiming to be millionaire interior designer Billy McGrath calls Billy's financial advisor, police are called. Friends and family haven't seen Billy in two weeks and are very concerned. Police learn that Billy had been living in fear. Did someone hurt Billy or did he go on the run?Join Cam & Jen as we discuss Where Have You Gone, Charming Billy?: William "Billy" McGrathPromo by our friend Paige of Reverie PodcastListener Discretion by Edward OctoberpodVHSwww.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6w\]Producer and all Music by Nico Vettesewww.wetalkofdreams.comSources:https://www.leagle.com/decision/inazco20121002008http://archive.azcentral.com/news/articles/20110524phoenix-2009-body-discovered-abrk.htmlhttp://americancrimeonline.blogspot.com/2011/05/investigators-recovering-body-of-man.htmlhttps://www.publicpolicerecord.com/arizona/doc-prisoner/BRADLEY_TOCKER/085358 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The year is 1965 and Alice Crimmins is not like most of the women of the time as she is about to be a divorced woman with two small children, 4-year-old Alice Marie who went by Missy, and 5-year-old Eddie. She dressed well and had style, ladies wanted to be friends with her and men wanted to marry her. She was the envy of almost all of them-- that was-- until something happened that summer day and now, no one would ever want to trade places with Alice. It was July 14, 1965, when Alice went into the bedroom to wake Missy and Eddie only to see they were not still in their messy unmade beds. Instead, the window was wide open as the sheers were blowing in the wind. Her babies were missing but who could have or would have done such a horrible thing? Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Trouble with Alice’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. The promo is by our good friend Mike @brewcrime who launched a new podcast with Emma @truecrimewitch called #trail of destruction. Check them out: @DestructioncastLD is by our hauntingly horrific @octoberpodVHS If you haven’t listened, it has the perfect chill in the ear. Our editor, executive producer, and a great all-around chap is courtesy of Nico @wetalkofdreams. You need talent in your life or your podcast, you must check him out.Sources: https://irishamerica.com/2020/03/wild-irish-women-more-sinned-against-than-sinning/https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/law-magazines/alice-crimmins-trials-1968-1971https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/sexpot-trial-tale-crimmins-custody-fight-1960s-ends-death-article-1.132749Investigation Discovery series A Crime to Remember episode, "Go Ask Alice", aired in 2013https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/casey-anthony-alice-crimmins-moms-trial-mesmerize-article-1.132336 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Known as the "Great Equalizer", Arsenic has been used for thousands of years to get rid of one's enemy. It's tasteless, odorless and easily slipped into one's food.Roman Emperor Nero was suspected of using arsenic to seize the throne from his stepbrother’s throne in the 1st Century,The aristocratic 16th-century family, the Borgia's, were well known for killing off their political opponents with this naturally found element.Many women have also used arsenic to escape their marriages when divorce was impossible. Not only was it readily available, but it was also hard to detect in the day.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss That Girl Is Poison: Mary Clement. Today's episode was researched and written by E.J. HammonE.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of a brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology. (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunctionPromo is Crimes and Consequences @tntcrimesListener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProduced and musical score by the extremely talented and OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitessehttps://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources:“1858 Bradford Sweets Poisoning.” Wikipedia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Bradford_sweets_poisoning“A Mania for Poison. The Memphis Daily Appeal. 1885, July 21.=https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045160/1885-06-21/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1885&sort=date&rows=20&words=Kleman+Mary&searchType=basic&sequence=0&index=7&state=&date2=1885&proxtext=Mary+Kleman&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1Frith, John. “Arsenic – The Poison of Kings and the Saviour of Syphilis.” JMHV.https://jmvh.org/article/arsenic-the-poison-of-kings-and-the-saviour-of-syphilis/Heckenbach, Jim. 2007, December 27.http://www.heckenbach.org/maryclement.htmlHempel, Sarah. “What’s Your Poison?” (2013, June 8) Daily Mail.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2335464/Whats-poison-Easy-buy-tasteless-lethal-tiny-doses-arsenic-regarded-perfect-murder-weapon.htmlLindley, Robin. “Arsenic: Victorians’ Secret.” Crosscut. 2010, September 2.https://crosscut.com/2010/09/arsenic-victorians-secret#:~:text=Arsenic%20pervaded%20almost%20every%20aspect%20of%20life%20in,as%20a%20rat%20killer%20by%20the%20early%201800s.“Mary Clement.” Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Clement“Mary Klemen’s Story.” Omaha Bee. 1885, June 23. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is October 3, 1999, when Lt. Cliff Mathews reports to a nearby residence to take a report about a missing man. A young woman answers the door and informs the officer that 71-year-old Jack Irwin has not checked in with anyone and it had been several weeks since she had heard from him. The woman explained that she had only known Jack for about 7 months. During that time, she would help Jack around the house like cooking and cleaning as well as run errands. She tells the officer that she last saw Jack when she dropped him off at the Metrolink station at 5 pm on Sept 13. She explained that Jack was going to take the Metrolink into LA where he was going to catch another train from Los Angeles to Seattle. The story only gets more strange from here.Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘The Disappearance of Jack.’As always, our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our listener’s discretion at the top of the pod. All of our episodes are edited by the amazingly talented (and recently award-nominated) Nico from @wetalkofdreams. He also does all the original music and is our executive producer too. Sources: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-jailhouse-confessions-of-the-female-grifter-who-beheaded-a-korean-war-vethttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-16-me-headless16-story.htmlhttps://militaryjusticeforall.com/1999/09/13/disabled-korean-war-veteran-jack-irwin-us-army-targeted-for-disability-benefits-bank-account-assets-then-murdered-1999/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-27-me-headless27-story.htmlhttps://www.recordnet.com/article/20041104/A_NEWS/311049948https://www.laweekly.com/beheading-on-mount-baldy/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Hartlepool, England on June 30th, 1994, little 3-year-old Rosie walked to the ice cream van, bought a, and never came back home. ***It has been brought to my attention that I have mispronounced the name Hartlepool. My apologies.*** Join Cam and Jen as we discuss our first listener suggested case, The Murder of Little Rosie.Listener discretion by Edward "The Voice" Octoberpod https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer and music by the amazing Nico Vettese www.wetalkofdreams.comPromo by New West West Radio Theatre@NewWestRadioProSources:https://www.amazon.com/Flowers-Gods-Garden-Bernard-%60Mahoney-ebook/dp/B00833EW5A/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=flower+in+gods+garden+bernard&qid=1600877163&sr=8-1http://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/Palmer_v_Tees_Health_Authority_(1999)_EWCA_Civ_1533https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-228663833/i-m-not-even-asking-for-justice-my-rosie-s-killerhttps://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/The-Hanging-of-the-Hartlepool-Monkey/https://uk-database.net/2012/04/05/shaun-armstrong-hartlepool/https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/mum-rosie-palmer-tells-16-3703233https://www.independent.co.uk/news/man-gets-life-for-killing-girl-3-1593503.htmlhttps://www.pressreader.com/uk/real-people/20181011/281505047167528https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1339662/Killer-gets-legal-aid-to-sue-man-who-trapped-him.htmlhttps://murderpedia.org/male.A/a/armstrong-shaun.htmhttps://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/came-back-here-would-lynched-3772771https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/local-news/gateshead-author-bernard-omahoney-snares-1363886https://flatrock.org.nz/topics/prisons/i_love_you_did_you_kill_her.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Rosie_Palmer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is a Saturday afternoon on January 5, 2002, when Michael Gerboc drove to the floral store he owned with his partner florist, Ed Kirby, to check up Ed and the store. When Michael arrived and called out for Ed, he didn’t get a response but soon he finds Ed. Ed Kirby, age 48, is on the ground surrounded by a pool of blood. The popular florist had been murdered. He had been shot execution-style in the back of the head so he never saw it coming. A 9-millimeter shell was located nearby. His wallet was missing and the cash register was empty. Michael was devastated. Sadly this would not be the only murder this ruthless coward would be responsible for but there was one final shock that would leave many in disbelief. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss Killer in Steel City in this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. As always, our favorite partners in crime help us in all our episodes. Edward October does our creepy listener discretion: @octoberpodVHS Check out his storytelling which will be perfect to listen to as we roll into fall. Nico from @wetalkofdreams does all our original music but, as our editor, also makes us sound good and we all know how difficult that task has to be. Sources:https://www.semissourian.com/story/62121.htmlhttps://thesouthern.com/news/local/man-gets-life-in-prison-for-sparta-murder/article_d8e63c4c-0a47-5b27-8600-9719ad6d359e.htmlhttps://www.sj-r.com/article/20110618/NEWS/306189977https://qconline.com/news/illinois/former-police-officer-admits-murder-of-granite-city-florist/article_60bf18ad-c40b-597e-95e4-dc6e4f528e6b.htmlhttp://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2215.htmlhttps://www.bustle.com/p/where-is-ryan-parker-in-2018-the-to-catch-a-killer-finale-explores-a-complicated-murder-case-12273679 (also check out the episode!) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Desperate and depressed with the feeling of being overwhelmed is way too real for a lot of us. This is a case when the worst that can happen, does. Listen to Cam and Jen discuss the events that lead to Mary Ann Holder's breaking point.If you have feelings of wanting to hurt yourself or others please call the Suicide HotlineIn the United States call 1-800-273-8255For all other countries, here is a link to a list of numbers International Suicide Hotlines by Country on Suicide.org http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international-suicide-hotlines.htmlThis episode was researched and written by E.J. HammonE.J. Hammon is a North Carolina writer who is fascinated with serial crime and the psychology behind it. With over a decade of experience writing her blog Confessions of a Bundyphile, https://bundyphile.com/E.J. has a unique perspective into the mind of brutal serial killer, Ted Bundy. Her work on Bundy has been featured on Bizarrepedia, the True Crime Guy web site, and she wrote Season 3 of the hit crime podcast, Criminology. (Today she adds the “Our True Crime” podcast to her list of credentials.) She is currently working with French author Fabien Richard on a book featuring the voices of Ted Bundy’s victims, survivors, and various law enforcement officials who interacted with him. The book is expected to be published sometime next year under the title “Ted Bundy: Memories of the Beast.” She can currently be found on Facebook and Twitter @RoseDysfunction.Listener discretion by our long time spooky friend, Edward from @octoberpodvhshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProduced and musical score by the extremely talented and one of OTCP's bestie, Nico Vitessehttps://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources: Daily Mail Reporter. (2011, November 23). "Jilter lover who went on bloody rampage 'gave ex-boyfriend $10,000 cheque to prevent his wife since her' day before the massacre." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065437/North-Carolina-shootings-Mary-Ann-Holder-gave-ex-10-000-cheque-prevent-wife-suing-day-massacre.htmlDiranian, S. (2017, June 13) "The Meaning of Being a Mother." www.hellomotherhood.com/article/536071-the-meaning-of-being-a-mother/"Filicide" Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filicide Friedman, S. (2007, October) "Child murder by mothers: patterns and prevention." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174580Harvard Health Blog. (2011, March) "What pushes a person to commit suicide?" www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what -pushes-a-person-to-commit-suicideHuffington Post. (2012, December 19) "Mass Shooting Psychology: Spree Killers Have Consistent Profile, Research Shows." www.huffpost.com/entry/mass-shooting-psychology-spree-killers_n_2331236 Investigation Discovery. (2017, September 28) "Psychology of a Murder-Suicide: What makes a person kill, then kill themselves" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going back in time where things were a bit more simple. There was no internet or cable tv and children played outside unsupervised until the street lamps came on. Everyone went to church on Sundays in their Sunday best and the American dream was to get married to your true love, own a house, and have 2.5 kids. The year is 1960 and we are going to pay a visit to Macon, Georgia and while a lot has changed in the past 60 years, some things never change like greed, lust, and murder. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss 'Living a Lie: Mary and Chester Burge' on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Just like always, our listener discretion is provided by the dreamy voiced Edward October from @octoberpodVHS and all our awesome (original) music and editing is provided by Nico from @wetalkofdreams. Sources: https://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article202853319.htmlhttps://www.inquisitr.com/2619541/chester-burge-mary-burge-a-crime-to-remember-investigation-discovery-louis-roosevelt-johnson-macon-georgia-murder-trial/https://www.gatewaymacon.org/top-5-lists/top-5-sinistershirleyhill.cmshttps://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/post-time-chester-burge-freed-in-wifes-death-but-d/nsNcJ/https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/history/macon-criminal-history-chester-burge-murder/93-e7ad6888-405e-404c-acf0-e7a581303809 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On November 7, 1983, David Hendricks was out of state on a business trip. Unable to reach his family, Bloomington Illinois Police were sent to do a welfare check. Inside the house, officers were shocked to find David's Susan, his three young children brutally murdered in their beds. Police didn't like the way David handled the news but did that make him a murderer?Join Jen and Cam as they discuss Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt: The Hendricks Family MurdersOur listener discretion by the infamous Edward of Octoberpodvhs fame.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wand Nico Vettese is our Producer. He wrote the music and in charge of editing and sound. He's amazing!Resources:https://www.amazon.com/Reasonable-Doubt-Shocking-American-Heartland-ebook/dp/B07CCMHVG6/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=reasonable+doubt+vogel&qid=1598464816&sr=8-1https://www.newspapers.com/image/72532861/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomington%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/72887910/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomington%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/461804625/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomington%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/73803119/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomington%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/72923682/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/72887910/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/72807719/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.conservapedia.com/Plymouth_Brethrenhttps://www.theopedia.com/plymouth-brethrenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminol#:~:text=Luminol%20is%20a%20white%2Dto,with%20the%20iron%20in%20hemoglobin.https://www.newspapers.com/image/75853684/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomington%2Bpantagraphhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/388175062/?terms=david%2Bhendricks%2Bbloomingtonhttps://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/crime-history/david-hendricks-7-years-in-prison-for-slaughtering-family-released Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On Feb 21, 2005, a call comes into Miami 911 dispatch from a man who says there is a woman, unconscious in a vacant lot with what looks to be a head wound. She has no clothes on and is clinging to life. Officials were sure the person who did this thought she was dead or near death when he dumped her in the vacant lot. As she gained her strength, the victim was able to write down her name as well as some other details for police but she could not remember exactly what happened to her or who did it. Can police figure out who committed this brutal crime before he can strike again? Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Shattered Memory’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Check out the promo at the end of the episode from our friend Edward from @octoberpodVHS.All the music of our show is from the wildly talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much, we made him our executive producer too!Sources:https://www.westword.com/news/michael-lee-jones-serial-rapists-capture-shows-magic-and-limits-of-dna-tracking-5859920https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/04/inna-budnytska-michael-lee-jones-victims/https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/12/vanishing-blonde-201012https://www.insideedition.com/how-serial-rapist-was-finally-caught-thanks-suitcase-and-eagle-eyed-private-investigator-51906https://abcnews.go.com/US/serial-rapist-loose-years-abandoned-suitcase-put-stop/story?id=62091508https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/michael-lee-jones-arrested-inna-butnytska-breakthrough-part-62208356https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/case-suspect-michael-lee-jones-falls-part-10-62208417 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener Discretion on this one, kids! Derogatory slang amongst other things.On the night on June 24, 1973, around 8 pm, someone set fire to the UpStairs Lounge a gay bar located in the French Quarter of New Orleans. Thirty-two people lost their lives.Many think the police failed to really investigate the arson. The official cause is still listed as "undetermined origin", but many believe it was a man that was thrown out of the bar earlier that night.Almost 50 years later is it still one of New Orleans' deadliest fires. Up until the Pulse Nightclub shooting in 2016, it was the deadliest incident in the history of violence against the LGBTQ community. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss the UpStairs Lounge Arson.Sourceshttps://www.amazon.com/Tinderbox-Untold-Stairs-Lounge-Liberation/dp/163149595X/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=tinderbox&qid=1594848681&sr=8-2https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+upstairs+lounge&crid=1E2DRXVUDFLRS&sprefix=the+upstairs+loun%2Caps%2C198&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_17https://www.amazon.com/Upstairs-Inferno-Christopher-Rice/dp/B07DM51YX4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1E2DRXVUDFLRS&dchild=1&keywords=the+upstairs+lounge&qid=1594848714&sprefix=the+upstairs+loun%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1https://www.amazon.com/Let-Faggots-Burn-Upstairs-Lounge/dp/1614344531https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/07/24/upstairs-lounge-arson-ferris-leblanchttps://zagria.blogspot.com/2018/11/regina-adams-1952-widow-performer.html#.Xw92lihKi01http://beyondbourbonst.com/fire-at-the-up-stairs-lounge-episode-66/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are headed to the Pacific Northwest to just a bit south of Seatle Washington to a town by the name of Lakewood. Lakewood is home to McChord Air Force Base with lots of its residents supported by the base, many of the residents know one another or at least knows a friend of a friend. The small community of around 59,000 people love the area and feel safe here that is until July 4, 1996, that would all change as a monster would pay a visit to Lakewood and change it forever. Promo is from our friends at Forgotten News Podcast @NewsForgottenListener discretion is from Edward October @OctoberpodVHSMusic is by the extremely talented Nico from @wetalkofdreams and hey, he is so awesome, he is also our Executive Producer. Sources:https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19990221&slug=2945479http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/publicupload/eclips/2014%2002%2024%20The%20double%20edged%20sword%20of%20DNA.pdfhttps://www.theday.com/article/20100310/nws01/303109976https://wstale.com/world/murder-of-cynthia-cindy-allinger-by-guy-matthew-rasmussen-featured-on-the-face-of-evil/https://www.amazon.com/Seeds-of-Death/dp/B07QX3PHFK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GVOYCZUW7ORJ&dchild=1&keywords=face+of+evil&qid=1594226271&s=instant-video&sprefix=face+of+%2Cinstant-video%2C279&sr=1-3https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19990221&slug=2945479https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19961119&slug=2360621https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saIBNiQcuFQhttps://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914b877add7b0493478575c Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is December 20, 1977, when two hunters, out for the afternoon looking to bring home some ducks for Christmas dinner, stumble upon something. Unfortunately for them, that something was not a holiday feast but the body of a woman who, from the looks of it, had been out there for a while. The men called the police immediately and due to the location, two responding counties arrive, Fayette County and Clayton County. As officers look closer they can easily see what was the cause of death: two gunshot wounds to her head. As officers are working to secure the scene and collect evidence, it doesn’t take long to notice something else. They see it is a sleeping bag, but when they pull it from the water, they know it is not empty. Once on the banks, another female body is discovered inside the sleeping bag. Investigators are in shock but this case was far from over.Join Jen and Cam from Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss this week’s episode, ‘Just a Simple Plan.’There is a brand new promo from our BFF Edward October from @octoberpodVHS. Check him out for some great storytelling. Edward is the coolest and always does our listener’s discretion too.Our other bestie, Nico from We Talk of Dreams, does all our music and also happens to be our executive producer. Sources will be credited later as I am under pressure to get this to you all. HA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is completely different than normal. OTCP, along with 19 other podcasters from around the world, came together to stand with the BLM movement. Although we had a very small part in the making of this episode, we are so thrilled to be part of it. All proceeds we make on this episode will be donated to The Loveland Foundation Therapy Fund. https://thelovelandfoundation.org/loveland-therapy-fund/ As podcasters, we have a platform and duty to speak up and call out injustice. In light of the murder of George Floyd, we have come together in solidarity to use our platform to speak up against racial injustice and amplify the voices of black podcasters that deserve more recognition. Racism is prevalent in all industries; from the media who under-report on black victims to the justice system which routinely fails black victims. In this collaborative episode, we document black history and current events with the voices of those who have lived through it.Special thanks to:Tasha from Sinister Silhouettes https://linktr.ee/tcbytbAndre and Battle from Bruh Issa Murder https://linktr.ee/BruhissamurderSerena from Handcuffed Podcast https://linktr.ee/handcuffedpodcastAaron from True Crime? Never Heard of it http://www.buzzsprout.com/921493Rashad from Blood and Firewater https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/blood-firewater/id1481772619Alimat from Hard Truths https://twitter.com/hardtruths_podJiJi from Noir True Crime Files https://linktr.ee/ntcfpodcastWritten by: CrimeLapse, Morbidology, Sinister Silhouettes, Bruh Issa Murder, Handcuffed Podcast, True Crime? Never Heard of it, Blood and Firewater, Hard Truths Podcast, Noir True Crime Files and All Things EeerieProduced by: CrimeLapse and MorbidologyGraphics by: Death by ChampagneThanks to: Reverie: True Crime Podcast, Evidence of a Crime, All Things Eeerie, It’s Murder Up North, The True Crime Witch, Writing About Crime, Death by Champagne, Murder She Spoke, Murder and More, Always Time for True Crime, Malice, Hometown Homicide, Brew Crime, Our True Crime Podcast SOURCES USEDhttps://1drv.ms/w/s!Aruxcr9oXxgyhSlMHkn8jhRAytCK?e=Ja7h1o HOW TO HELPhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1gt4garwEcn0NsJHg-zHwRQYogrVqLM0Q3g0vdj8GW8E/mobilebasichttps://docs.google.com/document/d/13yKeLrX6hsKTrhqueZ-nSfRWBMsaHuq7YdkZb6Sq1eo/edithttps://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/#petitionshttps://www.change.org/p/people-power-end-direct-provision-in-ireland?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_abi&recruited_by_id=11cfdbd0-a590-11ea-ab5f-cf3b22adc9de Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices