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At 11:24 PM on Saturday, April 29th, 1989, police in Alton, Illinois received a call from Robert Sims who said he had found his wife, Paula, unresponsive on the floor of their home, and their six-week-old baby girl was missing. Paula Sims said that she had been taking out the trash an hour earlier when she was confronted by a masked man carrying a handgun. After ordering her back into the house, the armed intruder struck her on the back of the head causing her to lose consciousness. The terrifying incident defied belief because this was the second time someone had broken into the Sims' home and stolen a baby girl. Three years prior, their 8-day-old baby, Lorelai, had been snatched from their home in similar circumstances, only to be found dead. Join Jen & Cam as they discuss "Another Girl Gone: Murdering Mom Paula Sims".Promo by OctoberpodVHS. Now available on your favorite podcast app.Listener Discretion by Edward October from OctoberpodVHSEditing, sound, and music by Nico Vetesse of We Talk of Dreamswetalkofdreams.comResearched and written by Eileen MacFarlane of CrimeLapse podcastFor a complete list of sources, please go to ourtruecrimepodcast.com or email us at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A woman comes out of the river water screaming for help. Frantic and barely able to get the story out, tells the man that she and her two sons were on a boat, and the boat capsized and her oldest son is missing. As police begin to question Judy about the accident, things become questionable from the start. Judy changes her story. In fact, she tells them 4 different stories. She tells officers that they were enjoying the day in the canoe, when they must have hit a tree stump and then tells another officer a snake hopped into the canoe and they panicked and turned it over. It is clear to investigators, things are not what they seem. What authorities do not yet know, is that many things have happened over the years around Judy and they were never what they seem. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled 'All for the Money: Black Widow Judy Buenoano.'Listener discretion by our bestie @octoberpodVHS.All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdreamsMake sure to check out our promo from our friend Andrew Dodge @UnforbiddenTSources: will be added soon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

***Content Warning***12-year-old Sabine Dardenne was riding her bike to school In Tournai, Belgium, when two men in a white van grabbed her off of her bike. Sabine was held captive for nearly three months in an underground dungeon by one of Belgium's most notorious pedophiles, convicted rapist, and murderer Marc Dutroux.We mentioned him briefly on Day 8 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas in 2021. Now listen as Jen and Cam discuss The Monster of Marcinelle: Marc Dutroux.Promo by our friends a Nefarious Nightmares Podcast @anefariouspodThank you to our friends that help make this episode possibleResearch by Eileen MacFarlane @CrimeLapsePodListener Discretion by Edward October from @OctoberpodVHS. You can find him on YouTube and now on your favorite podcast app!Sound, editing, and theme music by Nico Vettese @wetalkofdreamswetalkofdreams.comSources:Book:I Choose To Live by Sabine Dardennehttps://www.amazon.com/I-Choose-Live-Sabine-Dardenne/dp/1844082687/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2Z40MKJEYJGO4&keywords=i+choose+to+live&qid=1649881648&sprefix=i+choose+to+lice%2Caps%2C895&sr=8-1Documentary:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHKjU-dhelUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GASzbRK4Bw0https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0977NV9ZZ/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=11.https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/27/explainer-paedophile-marc-dutroux-and-the-horror-case-that-united-a-divided-belgium2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/05/dutroux.featuresreview 3. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/25/worlddispatch.dutroux4. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/18/dutroux.ianblack 5. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/28/childprotection.dutroux6. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/16/worlddispatch.dutroux 7. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/02/dutroux.ianblack 8. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/03/dutroux.williamcederwell 9. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/04/dutroux.ianblack 10. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/05/worlddispatch.dutroux 11. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/07/childprotection.dutroux 12. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/18/dutroux 13. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just after 3 PM on January 13th, 2010 a deputy driving through a gated community in Conyers, Georgia noticed two distraught teenage girls running frantically towards his car. 16-year-old identical twins, Jasmiyah & Tasmiyah Whitehead told the deputy that they had just come home from school and found their mother brutally murdered inside their home. Upon entering the house, police find signs of a violent struggle. The medical examiner said Nikki's death was a crime of passion; the killer being someone close to her. Little did they know how close.Join Jen and Cam as they discuss Twin Terrors: The Murder of Nikki Whitehead.Big Thank Yous to our friends whose talents help make our podcast something special. Listener Discretion: Edward Octoberpod of Octoberpod VHS https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer, Audio, Editor, and Music: Nico Vetesse of We Talk Of Dreamswetalkofdreams.comEpisode researched and written by Eileen MacFarlane of Crimelapse PodcastSources:NEWSBANK"Twins charged in mom's killing." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), May 21, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/12FDEFFD61C45920."Twins may get life if convicted." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), May 26, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/12FF9296FB68EC60."No bond given to Whitehead." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), June 14, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1305D5583A643A18."Twins plead not guilty in mom's murder." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), August 5, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1316FA49C55985A8."Murder suspects moved." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), December 1, 2010. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/133DE38A0710F1D8."Twins reindicted in mom's death." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), August 6, 2011. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/138F5291C9E0A7F0."Whitehead Twins Plead 'Not Guilty' In Mother's Murder." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), September 12, 2011. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/139C9B35DA8327B8."Rockdale jury finds Rabon guilty of murder, rape in 2008 incident." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), February 1, 2012. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/13CAB56EB0E89D58."Rockdale jury finds Rabon guilty of murder, rape in 2008 incident." Rockdale Citizen, The (Conyers, GA), February 1, 2012. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Husband and father James Kraig Kahler took really good care of his family by being a great provider. His wife Karen was a pillar of the community who was busy raising their three children. From the outside, they seemed to be the perfect family but as we know no one is perfect. It seems Kraig liked things a certain way and by a certain way, I mean his way. He made rules for not only the children but for Karen as well. When things started to change, Kraig was not happy. When it was clear things would not go back to the way Kraig liked them, he decided to make some changes as well. These changes, however, involved murder. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of ‘Our True Crime Podcast’ entitled Three’s A Crowd: Kraig Kahler.Our listener discretion is by the smooth-talking Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAll music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/03/23/us-supreme-court-upholds-death-penalty-in-osage-county-quadruple-homicide/1473994007/https://ksabolition.org/facts/death-rowhttps://caselaw.findlaw.com/ks-supreme-court/1888978.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026864/James-Kraig-Kahler-murdered-family-threesome-request-drove-wife-lesbian-affair.htmlhttps://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-state-v-kahlerhttps://pressinformant.com/karen-kahler-and-sunny-reese-murder-where-is-james-kraig-kahler-now/https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/kahler-v-kansas/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahler_v._Kansashttps://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/local/killer-james-kraig-kahlers-case-to-be-heard-by-u-s-supreme-court/article_976eb220-e470-11e9-b8f2-2b815469f28a.htmlhttps://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/local/kahler-loses-in-supreme-court-effort/article_0a4baff2-6dfe-11ea-87f0-73334f02da58.htmlhttps://www.wibw.com/content/news/Supreme-Court-rules-in-favor-of-KS-in-Kahler-case--569028741.htmlhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt2611336/https://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/kahler-james-kraig.htmhttps://www.wiki.ng/en/wiki/dateline-karen-kahler-and-sunny-reese-murder-where-is-james-kraig-kahler-now-838182 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On April 5, 1980, Sister Madalyn Marie went to prepare for Easter Sunday which was the following day, entered the sacristy and stumbled across a horrifying scene.71-year-old Sister Margaret Ann Pahl lay dead on the floor. Father Robinson was the main suspect but there wasn't enough evidence for him to be charged and the case went cold.Twenty-three years later the case would be reopened after a woman comes forward with allegations of ritualistic abuse within the Toledo diocese. The woman said that she had been sexually and physically abused by members of the church in her youth and that she had witnessed satanic rituals where animals and children were sacrificed. Come join us as we discuss An Unholy Death: The Murder of Margaret Ann PahlWritten and researched by Eileen MacFarlane from CrimelapseListener Discretion by Edward Octoberpod of OctoberpodVHSProduced and Edited by Nico Vettese of We Talk Of DreamsSources:Sin, Shame & Secrets: The Murder of a Nun, the Conviction of a Priest, and Cover-up in the Catholic Church by David Yonke https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1HW1YP/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?For a complete listing of all sources, please go to ourtruecrimepodcast.com or email Jen at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed north to Lake Orion, Michigan, a suburb of Detroit. On August 6, 1994, a man was discovered on his apartment floor. His body is surrounded by blood. The man had fought furiously to escape his killer, as demonstrated by all the injuries on his face and body. His apartment showed no signs of a break-in, but it did look like someone had gone through the apartment. The man was Kevin Boyd, and his body was discovered by his son, Kevin, Jr. What the 16-year-old would encounter would be the absolute worst scenario. Kevin Sr. is positioned on his stomach on the floor with a pillow over the back of his head. The blood spatter on the wall let him know it was no accident. Kevin Jr. ran from the apartment, desperate to get some help. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of 'Our True Crime Podcast' entitled Smotherly Love: Kevin Boyd.We are going to the True Crime Podcast Festival in Dallas this year. Come see us along with many of your other favorite podcasters.The festival is being held in Dallas, Texas - from August 26th through the 28th. The Goodpods app is a great way to follow the shows and even listen to a curated playlist of their most talked about episodes!Links: www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com Goodpods: https://t.co/u1bHrjRCKPOur listener discretion is by the smooth-talking Edward October of @octoberpodVHS. All music is by the immensely talented Nico @wetalkofdreams.If you like us, give us a review wherever you listen and tell a friend or two. Join and follow us on our Facebook pages:Our True Crime PodcastOur True Crime Podcast Discussion PageMake sure to check us out on Instagram: ourtruecrimepodcastand Twitter: @ourtruecrimepodSources: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mied-2_04-cv-74462/pdf/USCOURTS-mied-2_04-cv-74462-0.pdfhttps://www.newsbreak.com/news/1542720394185/lynn-boyd-persuaded-her-teen-son-kevin-boyd-jr-to-help-murder-his-father-diabolical-investigateshttps://www.aclumich.org/en/news/fight-save-children-life-behind-barshttps://thecinemaholic.com/kevin-boyd-sr-murder/https://www.facebook.com/NBC2News/posts/kevin-boyd-was-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-without-parole-for-killing-his-father/10155454204916225/https://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2018/01/should-a-man-in-prison-for-dads-murder-get-another-chance/https://www.monstersandcritics.com/tv/true-crime/lynn-boyd-persuaded-her-16-year-old-son-kevin-boyd-jr-to-help-her-murder-his-father/https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/crime-news/kevin-boyd-sr-murdered-by-his-own-son-and-wife-lynn-boyd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On the night of November 5, 1989, first responders arrived at the 3700 block of Delor St in St Louis, Missouri. Inside of an apartment, next to two bloody knives, lay the body of 16-year-old Tina Isa. Tina's father said that he had killed her in self-defense. Police would learn Tina's father, Zein Isa, was a suspected ringleader of a Palestinian terrorist cell and had been under the watchful eye and ear of the FBI. The Isa's house had been bugged for some time and Tina's abuse and murder had been caught on tape. Join Cam and Jen as we talk about Die, My Daughter, Die: The Murder of Tina Isa.We are going to the True Crime Podcast Festival in Dallas this year. Come see us along with many of your other favorite podcasters.The festival is being held in Dallas, Texas - from August 26th through the 28th. The Goodpods app is a great way to follow the shows and even listen to a curated playlist of their most talked about episodes!Head to Truecrimepodcastfestival.comLinks: www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com Goodpods: https://t.co/u1bHrjRCKPBig Thanks to:Edward October @OctoberpodVHS for our listener discretion. Please take a listen to him on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoNico Vettesse, our Producer does all music and editing.wetalkofdress.comEileen MacFarlane of @Crimelapse researched and wrote today's episode. Jen would be lost without her. Promo is from our friends a Crime Trials Podcast. Sources:https://stlouispatina.com/north-st-louis/https://www.amazon.com/Guarding-Secrets-Palestinian-Terrorism-Too-American-ebook/dp/B07CGWZRGS/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1TKFOC7PVGFP7&keywords=ellen+harris&qid=1646537688&s=books&sprefix=ellen+harris%2Cstripbooks%2C255&sr=1-5https://amp.southcoasttoday.com/amp/50334837007https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-06-13-9306130207-story.html850 S.W.2d 876 (1993), STATE of Missouri, Respondent, v. Maria ISA, Appellant., No. 74479. - https://law.justia.com/cases/missouri/supreme-court/1993/74479-0.html "Girl, 16, Slain By Father'She Came At Me' He Tells Police." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 7, 1989: 1A. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61203C3751."Man Charged In Killing Of Daughter." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 8, 1989: 3A. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61961FD9A3."Dead Girl Abused,School Told State." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 9, 1989: 4C. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/0EB04C61E4A53BFB."Woman Joins Husband As Suspect In Daughter's Fatal Stabbing." St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 1, 1989: 5b. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going to the southern United States to a town named Grassy Creek, North Carolina. It is home to a very well-known and recognized Christmas tree farm. It is January 24, 2008, right before noon, when a panicked call comes into 911 describing a most heinous scene at the Hudler tree farm. The caller explains there are two people who have been shot. Police are dispatched to the farm, and once on scene, investigators would find three bodies and a trail of clues. Since the family is so well admired and loved, no one can think of anyone that would do them any harm. What authorities would discover is a person who was well acquainted with murder. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Hudler Farm Horror.’As always, our listener discretion is by the smooth sounding Edward October from @octoberpodVHS Our music is by our more than awesome Nico @wetalkofdreams Make sure to listen to a promo from Coffee and Cases @coffeeandcases Sources:https://swvatoday.com/news/article_7b9e45cc-a9f6-5e43-976a-173aef7207c4.htmlhttps://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/20090809_He_got_away_with_murder__then_kept_killing.html#:~:text=The%20spot%20had%20been%20identified,Ashe%20County%20Sheriff%20James%20D.https://www.independencedeclaration.com/content/letter-hammer%E2%80%99s-attorney-could-help-him-receive-yet-another-murder-chargehttps://journalnow.com/news/local/family-of-freddie-hammers-murder-victim-awarded-14-9-million/article_b75b6432-c737-534c-99ce-64c93d321abc.htmlhttps://journalnow.com/hammer-admits-killings-gets-7-life-sentences/article_bd09d014-630a-5fa4-8c85-c8e6ca0e25bf.htmlhttps://heraldcourier.com/news/freddie-hammer-confesses-to-more-murders/video_ef117406-4427-5bc3-876c-cf67c250c4d0.htmlhttps://richmond.com/news/freddie-hammer-confesses-to-more-murders/article_c090d56a-7e53-5a66-acb6-a2a56ed4e251.htmlhttps://www.galaxgazette.com/content/hammer-pleads-guilty-another-murderhttps://www.galaxgazette.com/content/tv-show-air-episode-hammer-murdershttps://journalnow.com/jimmy-disappears-suspicions-about-freddie-hammer-intensify-but-evidence-of-wrongdoing-isnt-there/article_1101711b-8e01-53bb-a705-8e241bb618f0.htmlhttps://journalnow.com/trial-date-postponed-for-freddie-hammer/article_7fd73874-60ba-5d9f-a549-0c12b88eb05a.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The second week of 1977, England saw the coldest January in 14 years. Low pressure carried from northern Europe brought heavy snowfall across the UK. On January 12th, 1977, 28-year-old Billy Hughes was to appear at Chesterfield Magistrates Court on charges of rape and assault. Hughes had other plans. He wasn't going back to prison no matter what the cost. Pulling a stolen knife out from his boots, Billy stabs the guards, orders them out of the car, and makes his escape. Due to high speed and cold, wet roads, he crashed the car. Hughes wasted no time running across the moors in search of a place to hide.As police officers were scrambling to find him with the help of sniffer dogs, Hughes had stumbled upon a house called Pottery Cottage, isolated in rural Eastmoor. Hughes would hold a family of five hostage for the next few days. Only one would survive.Join Cam and Jen as they discuss the Pottery Cottage Murders. Thank you to our friend and listener Louise for requesting this case.*****Warning***** Jen talks about an oven fire and if she should thro flour on the flames. DO NOT do this. The flour will catch fire and make things worse. This was bad advice that was passed down to her. Be safe. Thank you Neville for correcting us. Edward from OctoberpodVHS voices our listener discretion.Check out his youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoResearched and written by Eileen MacFarlaneNico from wetalkofdreams.com is our producer in charge of sound and editing. Check out the promos for Nico's new podcast entitled ConnectionsandKevin from The Jury Room has a new podcast called Addictedmake sure you listenSources:Newsbank Daily Mail (London, England), August 28, 1999: 16. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1787D5CA1A40EAB0. Independent, The/The Independent on Sunday: Web Edition Articles (London, England), March 24, 2017. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1665BF5247AA91F8. Derbyshire Times (England), May 17, 2017. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/164720CDD2F2BD10. Derby Telegraph (England), November 23, 2017: 6-7. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/1685794905694CB8. Daily Mail, The/The Mail on Sunday (London, England) (London, England), February 29, 2020: 53. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=image/v2%3A1754FD5BCC041490%40AWNB-1796685B8BD41210%402458909-179668A82DFD90D8%4052. Daily Mail (London, England), March 2, 2020: 30,31,32. NewsBank: Access World News. https://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/17975D211D5FB2F8. Daily Mail, The/The Mail on Sunday (London, England) (London, England), March 3, 2020: 28. NewsBank: Access World News. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are venturing back to a time when small towns had small-town doctors. These doctors were not only fixtures of the community, these men and women made house calls and knew all their patients and all their ailments. If Mr. Smith couldn’t pay, no problem. If Mrs. Robert’s’ infant spiked a fever, the doctor would be there within the hour. Doctors took an oath. ‘first do no harm’ but maybe just maybe not all doctors are good. In fact, maybe there are a few doctors whose bedside manner is more like dead side manner. This is one such doctor. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘Dead Side Manner: Dr. Dale Cavaness’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. The listener discretion is courtesy of our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSThe music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreamsSources:Murder in Little Egypt by Darcy O’Brienhttps://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Dr-John-Dale-Cavanesshttps://www.themidwestcrimefiles.com/post/the-deadly-doctor-of-eldoradohttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/illinois-doctor-killed-2-sons-collect-insurance-money-article-1.2490995https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-06-mn-13464-story.htmlhttps://thesouthern.com/news/years-after-killings-dr-cavaness-remembered-differently/article_6c59c547-3ac8-5672-bffa-085c4b48c22b.htmlhttps://mysteryu.com/high-cost-life-insurance/8/https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/11/17/Cavaness-kills-himself-on-death-row/1293532587600/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On November 2nd, 1987, paramedics responded to a 911 call about an unresponsive 6-year-old Lisa.Upon arrival at the Greenwich Village apartment in New York, they found the little girl unconscious and nude on the floor.The apartment was filthy, and another child, a 16-month-old little boy, was found tied to a playpen by a rope around his waist. He was lying in his own filth with spoiled milk available for him to drink. When investigators speak with the parents, Joel Steinberg and his common-law wife, Hedda Nussbaum, they realize the kids weren't the only ones that suffered abuse.Join Cam and Jen as we talk about A House of Horrors: Lisa Steinberg and Hedda NussbaumIf you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, please callThe National Domestic Violence Hotline is available at 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) or by chat at https://www.thehotline.org/or The Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline 1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453) or go online at www.childhelp.orgPromo by our friends at Dealing Justice @dealing_justice. Thank you for supporting Indie Podcasts!Listener Discretion by @OctoberpodVHS. His next big episode comes on on Feb 15th. Go subscribe so you won't miss it!https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and theme music by Nico Vettese @wetalksofdreams. He's one of the best young composers out there.Research and writing by Eileen MacFarlane. She's amazing!Due to the number of sources, they cannot all be listed here.Please email us at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed to North Liberty, Iowa, population 18,000 plus. This Midwest town is not unlike others. Most of the members know each other where they work and live together. It is February 1999, When one of their own, is murdered in his home, the community is stunned. With little to no evidence, investigators look to an unusual witness and hope, even though she can’t speak, she will lead them to the killer. Join Jen and Cam on Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Off the Leash: John Helble and Keisha.’As always our listener discretion is by the omniscient @octoberpodVHS.All our music as well as the show executive producer is none other than Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2609150/https://www.woofersandco.com/blogs/unleashed/the-dog-who-helped-catch-a-killerhttps://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/wyo-man-pleads-guilty-in-iowa/article_ca1131d3-d08a-5be6-96df-b1e374288bea.htmlhttps://medium.com/the-criminalist/mans-dog-helps-to-catch-his-killer-adcd045e7ab4https://kileystruecrime.squarespace.com/kileystruecrimeaddict-blog/the-murder-of-john-helblehttps://quizlet.com/452196425/hair-and-fiber-analysis-flash-cards/https://ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/NewsReportreRich.pdfhttps://medium.com/the-criminalist/mans-dog-helps-to-catch-his-killer-adcd045e7ab4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Around 10:25 AM on February 13th, 2018, a 911 call came in on Lake Couer d’Alene in Idaho. The woman identified herself as Lori Isenberg, told the dispatcher; “I need help. I’m on the lake but I don’t know where. My husband has had a stroke and he fell over ...he fell overboard” That same morning, many of the couple's friends and neighbors would be opening the local paper to discover Lori was leading a double life.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Still Waters: The Murder of Larry IsenbergA thank you to those that helped us put this episode together!Researched and written by the talented Eileen MacFarlaneListener Discretion by the master of horror Edward OctoberpodVHS--You can subscribe here https://www.youtube.com/c/octoberpodhomevideoProducer and editing by the one and only Nico Vettese Promo by Weird Distractions! Go check them out! Resources Find the complete list on ourtruecrimepodcast.comhttps://www.justice.gov/usao-id/pr/lori-isenberg-pleads-guilty-over-570000-wire-fraud-and-federal-program-theft https://www.inlander.com/spokane/a-north-idaho-womans-husband-is-dead-and-she-is-on-the-lam-wanted-for-allegedly-embezzling-half-a-million-dollars/Content?oid=10210637 https://www.khq.com/news/new-court-documents-show-north-idaho-man-may-have-been-murdered/article_561fb668-d783-5565-bf41-206e4fde8a78.html https://www.khq.com/news/500k-bench-warrant-issued-for-lori-isenberg-after-missing-2nd-arraignment/article_92bde7c4-34a0-53bf-a3be-7ed79a889cb1.html https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article240786156.html https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/mar/04/kootenai-county-detectives-want-to-interview-frien/https://apnews.com/article/coeur-dalene-spokane-idaho-7e7b0875f8863fcad010935545e0e60d https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/may/24/isenberg-sentenced-to-life-for-drugging-husband-on/ https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/05/i-knew-my-life-was-over-idaho-woman-gets-life-in-prison-for-murdering-husband-with-medicine/ https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/idaho-woman-indicted-for-murder-in-connection-to-the-2018-death-of-her-husband/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is October 20, 2007, when a woman calls 911. She is hysterical and crying, barely able to get out the words. She relays to the operator that when she got to her parent's house, she found her mother shot, her father shot, and her brother home and unharmed. Police rush to the scene, but as they are heading to the crime scene, 16-year-old Daniel jumps in his parent's car and takes off. Soon a chase erupts, but Daniel loses control of the vehicle, and officers contain him. Daniel tells officers that his father shot his mother and then turned the gun on himself. Daniel is crying and is put into the patrol car until officers can figure out what just happened. With confusion and adrenaline, no one knows what just occurred, but someone is responsible, and that person is the one no one would suspect, but the reason is even more unbelievable. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Gaming, Obsession, and Murder: Daniel Petric. LD is by the man who does it best Edward October from @octoberpodVHS The music is done by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams Sources:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7826663.stmhttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2009/01/_lorain_lorain_county.htmlhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/game-over-for-teen-who-killed-mother-over-video-gamehttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2009/06/lorain_county_teen_who_killed.htmlhttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/trial_of_boy_accused_of_killin.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Petrichttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/12/boy_killed_mom_and_shot_dad_ov.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQH9N5SCDX4Signs of a Psychopath: Season 2, EP 5. https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-daniel-petric-now/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode is more graphic than usual. Listener discretion is strongly advised . The corpses of five young women were found in and around several small villages in West Germany. Each woman had been raped, stabbed, or strangled. Even worse, they had been mutilated. Nearly two decades would pass, and many more women would lose their lives. When police finally arrested the man responsible for all these gruesome murders, there was a stew brewing on the stove with, well, you can’t imagine. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Duisburg Man-Eater: Joachim Kroll” on Day 12 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. We didn't cover all the victims' names in this episode so we wanted to list them here. They deserve to be remembered.Joachim Kroll’s VictimsIrmgard Strehl, 19,Erika Schuletter, 12,Klara Frieda Tesmer, 24, Heinrich Ott, was arrested for the crime. He hanged himself in jail.Manuela Knodt, 16, Petra Giese, 13, Vinzenz Kuehn was arrested and convicted.Monika Tafel, 12, Walter Quicker was arrested for the crime. He was later released but was driven to suicide due to relentless neighbors.Barbara Bruder, 12, Her body was never found.Hermann Schmitz, 25,Ursula Rohling, 20 Her boyfriend Adolf Schickel was falsely accused of killing her and he completed suicide Ilona Harke, 5Maria Hettgen, 61, Jutta Rahn, 13Karin Toepfer, 10Marion Ketter, 4Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does all our listener discretion warnings. Nico @wetalkofdreams provides all original music and is our executive producer.Sources:https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ganze-masse-a-f1af7b2a-0002-0001-0000-000040942727https://kulturmeister.com/notorious-serial-killers-en/joachim-kroll/?lang=enhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2opfxahttps://killer.cloud/serial-killers/show/72/joachim-krollhttps://www-focus-de.translate.goog/panorama/welt/bernd-jaegers-im-focus-online-interview-duisburger-kannibale-toetete-frauen-und-kinder-er-wollte-seine-opfer-sterben-sehen_id_13350216.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui,schttps://books.google.de/books?id=srw2DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT74&lpg=PT74&dq=how+many+siblings+to+joachim+kroll+have&source=bl&ots=uX-o2d03EQ&sig=ACfU3U279iPjAkWP_VzJgY_flvUUMIMKjA&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjGqc-fkYL0AhXiyIsBHXtcAO8Q6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=how%20many%20siblings%20to%20joachim%20kroll%20have&f=falsehttps://www.dieterwunderlich.de/Joachim-Kroll.htmhttps://www.derwesten.de/staedte/duisburg/horror-duisburg-kannibale-mord-id213090825.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On September the 15th, 1990, people were walking along a river near Prague when they stumbled up what they thought was a mannequin. As they got closer, they realized it was the body of a young woman. Her body, nude, was left in a vulgar display. Her stocking was wrapped around her neck. The killer had tried to cover her with leaves and debris as if to hide his crime. The woman would turn out to be Blanka Bockova. Blanka had gone out the night before with friends to have drinks. The group decided to leave just before midnight, but Blanka was having fun and decided to stay for just one more. Her friends would say she was talking with a man who looked nearly 40 years of age, but that is all the information they could provide. What authorities could not yet know was that an international serial killer was just getting started, and he was no stranger to police. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “A Way with Words and Murder: Jack Unterweger” on Day 11 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://allthatsinteresting.com/jack-unterwegerhttps://www.ranker.com/list/jack-unterweger-facts/cat-mcauliffehttps://www.moviemaker.com/jack-unterweger-austrian-serial-killer-netflix-vanishing-at-the-cecil-hotel/https://killer.cloud/serial-killers/show/103/jack-unterwegerhttp://jimshelley.com/crime/jack-unterweher/https://www.hayvine.com/entertainment/5-shocking-facts-of-jack-unterwegers-dark-history-of-grisly-murders-and-crimeshttps://www.biography.com/crime-figure/jack-unterweger Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning! Listener discretion is strongly advised. Starting in 1981, a man answered several classified ads posted by women who were selling various items in local newspapers. This man was not buying a toaster or a new home; he was searching for his next victim. They were petite young women who often worked the streets. He would become known as one of the most prolific killers operating in Florida during the 1980s, but his luck would run out when he ran into a brave teenager who would lead officers right to this serial killer. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Tampa's Classified Ad Rapist: Bobby Joe Long Day” on Day 10 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. All the music, as well as our executive producer, is Nico @wetalkofdreams. He is as impressive as he is talented. That incredible voice at the top of the show warning listeners is Edward October from @octoberpodVHSSource:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQIN96pTQUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeZgGhvVicohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STMfUBI5IfYhttps://www.oxygen.com/it-takes-a-killer/season-1/terror-on-the-striphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv9TQLCdblUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv9TQLCdblUhttps://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/on-the-case-with-paula-zahn/full-episodes/hanging-by-a-threadhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u3in4https://www.mylifetime.com/movies/believe-me-the-lisa-mcvey-storyhttps://web.archive.org/web/20190524064415/http://time.com/5595252/serial-killer-florida-executed/https://web.archive.org/web/20071010024023/http://www.oranous.com/florida/RobertLong/063088long.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20080105062445/http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/long.htmhttps://truecrimedaily.com/2016/02/22/ex-wife-offers-look-inside-the-mind-of-notorious-serial-killer/https://web.archive.org/web/20120714050023/http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/long/6.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20071010024018/http://www.oranous.com/florida/RobertLong/Robert%20J.%20Long%20v.%20State%20Of%20Florida.htm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alaska, the Last Frontier: It is a place of stunning beauty and rugged wilderness. It is an outdoorsman’s paradise with plenty of big game to hunt and fish to catch. It is also a place where people disappear--some because they want to drop out of the fast-paced rat race and some not by choice. On April 29, 1984, Roger Culp went missing from Hopkinsville. Roger was last seen in the company of a newcomer to the area, a 25-year-old man named Michael Silka. Officers head out to Michael’s remote cabin to see if they can question him about Roger. As soon as they arrive, they notice what looks to be blood outside the cabin. As they approach the door, a man comes out and identifies himself as Michael Silka. He tells the troopers that the blood was from a moose he recently killed and was outside to skin the animal. Michael tells them he hasn’t seen Roger since Roger came by for a quick visit. Content with the explanation, officers leave the cabin. This was a mistake, and many would lose their lives at one man’s hand. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “Slaughter Under the Midnight” on Day 9 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://robinbarefield76.medium.com/murders-at-manley-hot-springs-2ca3205d2901https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/11/us/memories-of-springtime-murders-chill-small-alaskan-town.htmlhttps://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/military-and-police/firefight-at-manley/https://militaryjusticeforall.com/tag/michael-silka/https://www.nytimes.com/1984/11/11/us/memories-of-springtime-murders-chill-small-alaskan-town.htmlhttps://peoplepill.com/people/michael-silkahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Silka Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning! Listener discretion is strongly advised! Also, Jen tries to pronounce French words. She is very sorry but she tried really hard, When a 13-year-old victim escaped a killer’s hold by gnawing through her bindings and running from the killer’s van, little did the police know that a series of murders and rapes were about to be solved. The officers arrested the man and soon heard a horror story that included crimes against young victims, but he had a partner. Together the two would commit a series of crimes to earn him the name Ogre of the Ardennes. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “The Ogre of Ardennes: Michel Fourniret” on Day 8 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/mort-de-michel-fourniret-la-justice-a-failli-pour-l-avocate-de-la-famille-de-marie-angele-domece-1620656403https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/le-tueur-en-serie-michel-fourniret-est-mort-a-79-ans-10-05-2021-A2RAORSLWBALHHVAYKEI3DAZT4.phphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Fournirethttps://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/michel-fourniret-french-serial-killer-craved-only-virgins-to-rape-and-murder/news-story/07e873fd5b64f10f14a7af83be43fc9dhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-murder-trial/french-serial-killer-and-wife-get-life-sentences-idUSL273256320080528https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joanna_Parrishhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13935448/ogre-ardennes-dead-serial-killer-michel-fourniret-film/https://www.ranker.com/list/facts-about-michel-fourniret-the-ogre-of-the-ardenne/cat-mcauliffehttps://www.serialkillercalendar.com/Michel%20FOURNIRET.phphttps://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210513-ex-wife-of-france-s-ogre-of-the-ardennes-serial-killer-may-face-justicehttps://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/serial-killer-who-murdered-british-24077032https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_0dC5zZbU4https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7yup7p Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are going back to April 14, 1989, where we meet a man named Ramon Salcido, a 28-year-old. Ramon grew up in Mexico and, at age 18, met a young lady he would marry. The only thing was she was pregnant with another man’s baby. After the baby arrived, she left Ramon and went back to the father of her baby. At this point, Ramon left Mexico and moved to California- Kern County area, to be exact. Here, he met a woman named Debra, and the two would marry. One child was born from that union; however, it was not meant to be, and they separated but never divorced. These two women and their children would not know they escaped a murderer, but the next would not be so lucky. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Ramon’s Ruthless Rampage: Ramon Salcido” on Day 7 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. Sources:https://abcnews.go.com/2020/carmina-salcido-confronts-dad-left-dead/story?id=8835209https://www.sonomanews.com/article/news/the-worst-crime-in-sonoma-history-30-years-later/https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/appellate-court-death-row-inmate-s-petition-must-be-heard-here/article_a3488b0c-4956-11ea-970d-b37d70970896.htmlhttps://wn.com/20_20_on_id_what_happened_to_carmina_ramon_salcido_kills_his_family,_carmina_salcido_survihttps://web.archive.org/web/20120802065242/http://investigation.discovery.com/tv/evil-i/episodes/episode-guide-07.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/17/us/killer-of-7-gets-penalty-of-death.htmlhttp://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/search.aspx Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is day six of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. We are going to Mosman, a suburb of Sydney, Australia, where 82-year-old widow Gwendolin Mitchellhill was found right outside her apartment building around 4 pm on March 1st, 1989. Two children had just stepped off the elevator; through the glass security doors, they saw the poor woman crawling on her hands and knees with an immense amount of blood coming from her head. The woman’s belongings, shoes, cane lay neatly a few feet away, her pantyhose were off, and her purse was open. Assuming she had fallen and hit her head, an ambulance was called for the woman, and she was rushed to the hospital. One keen-eyed ambulance driver noticed her open purse, noticed her wallet was not inside and reported it to the police. Kind neighbors took it upon themselves to gather Ms. Mitchelhill’s cane and bag and clean all the blood from the sidewalk. This was the first murder by a man known as The Granny Killer. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “The Mosman Monster: Granny Killer John Wayne Glover” on Day 6 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas.Edward October from @octoberpodVHS is the voice you hear at the top of the show. Sweet Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:Book: Crime and Punishment: 50 Crimes That Shocked Australia by Alan Sharpehttps://www.amazon.com/Crime-Punishment-Crimes-Shocked-Australia/dp/0908272502https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gloverhttps://www.smh.com.au/national/suburban-serial-killer-20050910-gdm1em.htmlhttps://www.serialkillercalendar.com/John%20Wayne%20GLOVER.phphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRwUI3nkVQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZAX1yxKUshttps://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/glover-john-wayne.htmhttps://www.9news.com.au/national/foy-family-archives-could-link-juanita-nielsen-disappearance-killer-john-wayne-glover-a-current-affair/3b54825c-b77d-417f-856f-c6155fb043aahttps://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/from-the-archives-1990-granny-killer-glover-gets-life-20200312-p549i4.htmlhttps://www.newspapers.com/image/123604229/?terms=%22lady%20winifreda%22&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/123427788/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/124699907/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/272649570/?terms=granny%20killer&match=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For day five we are going ‘down under’ to Saturday, June 4, 1961. We are in Brisbane where a 55-year-old man named Amos Hurst meets a gentleman outside the Roma Street Railway Station. The two of them partake in lots of drinking and not wanting to end the night, the two head back to Hurst’s hotel room where they continued to drink. As the pair drank to near oblivion, Amos passed out only to wake up to his friend strangling him. Amos tried to fight back and was hit so hard in the face, he died. The killer then undressed Amos and put him in the bed as if he were just sleeping and made his escape. For days the murderer would obsessively check the newspapers for the death. Finally, days later, Amos Hurst’s obituary was in the paper saying that Amos had died of a heart attack. The man had just gotten away with his first murder and was now on the prowl In Brisbane for his next victim. Join Cam and Jen as we discuss “Death Down Under: William Macdonald” on Day 5 of 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our magical listener discretion. Nico is our bestie. Nico @wetalkofdreams makes all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/death-of-serial-killer-william-the-mutilator-macdonald-not-suspicious-coroner-20160609-gpfai0.htmlhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/william-macdonald-the-mutilator-serial-5695616https://medium.com/the-partnered-pen/the-innocent-serial-killer-455ce312bfd2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_MacDonald_(serial_killer) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listener warning as this episode deals with sexual assault and abuse of young children. Please use discretion as needed. This killer described his sexual abuse and torture of young girls as being like a theatre performance, and he was like an actor who would commit these crimes. However, he was not an actor but a delivery driver who committed the most heinous acts on the most vulnerable: young children. He was one of Scotland’s most evil, and we are looking at the atrocities one man bestowed on a community during the 1980s. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “A Man Most Vilel: Robert Black” on Day 4 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. Sources:Book: Murder by Numbers: British Serial Sex Killers Since 1950 by Anna Gekoskihttps://www.amazon.com/Murder-Numbers-British-Killers-1998-09-17/dp/B01K8ZE1LKhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TR17kMRY7ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSZWwZlIPTMhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fal3yhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4nnb1mhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7s994yhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/remains-serial-child-killer-robert-7193277https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2056915/I-escaped-child-killer--destroyed-life.htmlhttps://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/detective-who-netted-scottish-child-serial-killer-robert-black-after-painstaking-probe-into-abductions-and-murders-of-3-young-girls-has-died-3192683https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-44660880 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are headed across the pond to Glasgow. It is the late 1960’s and there are lots of changes happening in the world. Glasgow had been ravaged over the years but the town was investing in herself. Fashion and music were bigger and better than ever before with the young generation leading the charge. The young adults were heading out and partying in clubs overall Glasgow wearing their finest attire. All that came to an abrupt end in 1968 when a killer came to prey on young women. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “The Bible John Killings” on Day 3 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. Edward October from @octoberpodVHS does our fabu listener discretion. Nico @wetalkofdreams does all our music and just happens to be our EP too. Sources:https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/8029670/bible-john-new-portraits-glasgow-serial-killer/https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/how-notorious-killer-bible-john-12078716https://www.vice.com/en/article/5947e5/the-mystery-of-bible-john-scotlands-zodiac-killerhttps://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/who-exactly-is-bible-john-24553749https://unresolved.me/bible-johnhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/husband-bible-john-murder-victim-23770769 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For the 2nd nightmare before Christmas, we discuss one of the oldest unsolved cases in New South Wales, Australia, and one of the country’s most infamous cases. Most of us know about the Beaumont Children’s disappearance, the three Australian siblings who disappeared from Glenelg Beach near Adelaide, South Australia, and are still missing. But I don’t think many of us outside of Australia know about Marianne Schmidt and Christine Sharrock, murdered on Wanda Beach a year before. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Wanda Beach Murders” on Day 2 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. SourcesCrime and Punishment by Alan Sharpehttps://www.amazon.com/Crime-Punishment-Crimes-Shocked-Australia/dp/0908272502/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=crimes+and+punishment+sharpe&qid=1633142280&sr=8-3The Snapshot Killer: The shocking true story of serial killer Christopher Wilder - from Sydney's beaches to America's Most Wanted https://www.amazon.com/Snapshot-Killer-shocking-predator-Christopher-ebook/dp/B07L2V7LL2/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=snap+shot+killer&qid=1633142425&sr=8-3Chris Wilder - The Snapshot Killer: Inside the Wanda Beach murders | 7NEWS Spotlighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQDW9pr_KzACrime Investigation Australia - Wanda Beach Murders: The Beaumont Children Mysteryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfzy0DPTLBshttps://www.newspapers.com/image/122800045/?terms=wanda%20murders&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122113478/?terms=wanda%20beach%20murders%20schmidt&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122727455/?terms=wanda%20murders&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122729183/?terms=wanda%20murders&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122113478/?terms=wanda%20beach%20murders%20schmidt&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/122733141/?terms=wanda%20beach%20murders%20schmidt&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/123986430/?terms=wanda%20beach%20murders%20helmut&match=1https://www.newspapers.com/image/123894408/?terms=wanda%20beach%20murders%20met%20boys&match=1https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/36390/Measured_alcohol_lev.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Beach_Murders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To kick us off on our first episode of12 Nightmares Before Christmas, we are traveling to southern Florida-- Coconut Creek, to be exact, where the Broward County Sheriff’s dept has been called out to an abandoned car. It is January 9, 1990, and just after 1:30 in the morning. Officers arrive at the car and notice all the windows have been shot out. As they get closer, they see something slumped over in the back seat: a man with duct tape covering his mouth, and bullets riddle his body. Officers are careful to search the car for some ID and find it. The man is 42-year-old Christopher Morris. So begins a tale of deceit, betrayal, and murder. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Lies that Bind: Christopher Morris” on Day 1 of the 12 Nightmares Before Christmas. That mystical voice you hear at the top of the podcast is our friend Edward October from @octoberpodVHSAs always, our music is from Nico @wetalkofdreams. We liked him so much; we made him our executive producer. Sources:https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/02/05/parents-accused-of-murder-in-deadly-doublecross/ceae6cc7-ceea-4076-ae1c-b46f4c8582ed/https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1991-09-05-9102030870-story.htmlhttps://www.newstribune.com/news/local/story/2019/aug/09/police-identify-driver-who-died-gunshot-wound-thursdays-chase/789986/https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1991-08-24-9102010727-story.htmlhttps://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1990-02-02-9002023094-story.htmlhttps://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19900202&slug=1053982https://www.postbulletin.com/insurance-murder-ploy-backfires-police-say/article_ccbe4300-c254-56d2-b30d-3c98c2cb98dc.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1986, a young teenage couple was out and enjoying their final summer nights of fun. They were trying to make the most of their days off and freedom. Just as many teens do, they make a few bad decisions, but one of them would pay for that poor choice with her life. This tragic event would lead to another tragedy and leave a small town in disbelief. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Small Town Tragedy: Kristin Umstadter.’Listener Discretion by the wonderful Edward October @OctoberpodVHS. Music and EP courtesy of Nico from @wetalkofdreams. Listener Discretion by the wonderful Edward October @OctoberpodVHS. Music and EP courtesy of Nico from @wetalkofdreams. Sources:https://apnews.com/8a3e684f3b585796677d223531b196abhttps://openlibrary.org/works/OL4233360W/Blood_and_revengehttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/09/17/Man-receives-20-years-for-revenge-killing/3142558849600/https://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/mar/13/confidential_digs_into/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-08-02-mn-750-story.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/27/us/family-who-lost-a-child-will-see-another-tried-for-murder.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was October 16, 1931, when Winnie Ruth Judd bought a train ticket, boarded the vessel with the two traveling trunks, and made her way to Los Angeles. En route, the trunks began to leak and emit a horrible smell. Police greeted Judd at the Los Angeles station and asked her to open the trunks. Winnie was afraid and mortified on the inside, but her outward demeanor was coy and stand-offish. When asked to smell the trunks, she leaned in and claimed that she couldn't smell anything at all. The baggage attendants pushed her to open the trunks. Claiming that her husband had the keys, she fled the scene. What would occur next would leave many asking what happened and who was responsible? Join Jen and Cam as we discuss this listener submission entitled “The Trunk Murders: Winnie Judd” A giant thank you to long-time listener and friend, Chrissy with a K. She wrote and researched this episode. As always our listener discretion warning is by the lovely voiced Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music and executive producer is the multi-talented Nico @wetalkofdreamsSources:Azcentral.com https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/digital/collection/ahfmurArizona press releases https://www.azfamily.com/news/original_reporting/true-crime-arizona-the-1931-trunk-murderess-winnie-ruth-judd/article_4f444576-415f-11eb-8b47-43dbe03cc05c.htmlBook by Jane Bommersbach-https://www.amazon.com/Trunk-Murderess-Winnie-Ruth-Judd/dp/1590580648Wikipedia -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_Ruth_JuddNewspapers.comYouTube videos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On September 14th, 2015, Nicola “Nikki” Cross tucked her two children into bed and kissed them goodnight in their home in Hemel Hampstead. Her husband, Daniel, was on a business trip in Hull three hours away, Around 10:30 pm a strange man appeared outside the house demanding Nikki let him in. Nikki called Daniel to discuss how she and the kids could get somewhere safe when the strange man broke into the home. Helpless, Daniel listened as the whole nightmare unfolded.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss The Murder of Nicola "Nikki" Cross. If you would like to donate to Nikki's Wishes, go to Nikkiswishes.Org and hit the Take Action button.Thank you Fern from Evidence Of A Crime for researching and writing this episode.And a huge thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode.Go to HelloFresh.com/otcp14 and use code otcp14 for up to 14 free meals AND 3 free giftsPromo by Missing Persons by AbJack EntertainmentListener Discretion by Edward October of @OctoberpodVHShttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wOur producer in charge of music, sound, and editing is Nico Vettesehttps://wetalkofdreams.com/Sources:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-38346960 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2433767/schizophrenic-knifeman-who-hacked-mum-of-two-to-death-in-her-home-as-her-hubby-listened-helplessly-on-the-phone-is-caged-for-life/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2433767/schizophrenic-knifeman-who-hacked-mum-of-two-to-death-in-her-home-as-her-hubby-listened-helplessly-on-the-phone-is-caged-for-life/https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2017-10-25/police-cleared-of-misconduct-over-mothers-murder/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237023/Man-accused-stabbing-mother-death-home-husband-heard-happen-phone.htmlhttps://www.nikkiswishes.org/projectshttps://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605872/Husband-Nicola-Cross-murder-inquiry-heard-stabbed-home-over-phonehttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nicola-cross-mum-two-stabbed-6454866https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34294064https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/16/man-charged-with-of-nicola-crosshttps://www.theargus.co.uk/news/13765758.amp/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It all started with an online dating site, a place where lonely people can find someone they can connect with and, hopefully, become a pair. Dating sites have helped many find their soul mate and live a happy life but unfortunately, It has also been used as a hunting ground for a few unsuspecting souls. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss "Dexter Wannabe: Mark Twitchell."Promo by our friend Mike Morford with his podcast 'Zodiac Speaking.' Check it out!Thanks to our ever faithful sponsor Best Fiends.Listener Discretion by Edward October from @octoberpodVHSEP/ and Music by Nico @wetalkofdreamsSources: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mark-twitchell-a-closer-look-at-the-evidence/https://thecinemaholic.com/crime-junkie-podcast-mark-twitchell-dexter-killer/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twitchellhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt4662648/https://edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton-court-hears-twitchell-revealed-location-of-altingers-remains-in-note-to-policehttps://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton-garage-in-movie-murder-now-morbid-shrine-1.339696https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/amateur-filmmaker-admits-to-killing-stranger-he-lured-to-garage/article575580/https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/slain-man-called-friend-after-garage-visit-twitchell-jury-told-1.1051080https://edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton-court-hears-twitchell-revealed-location-of-altingers-remains-in-note-to-policehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PXipLSS2xEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpzjETiN_zYhttps://www.empireadvance.ca/local-news/reporters-look-back-on-dexter-inspired-killer-4291552 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cam and Jen are going to St George, Bristol, England in this listener-requested episode.Thursday, February 19, 2015, started like any other day. Dad, Darren, had left early for work. His wife, Anjie, was getting ready for a doctor’s appointment when their 16-year-old daughter Becky knocked on the door. She was coming home from spending the night at a friend’s house and her key didn't work. Becky went up to her room and was never seen again. Everyone is stunned when Becky's dismembered body is found close to home. Even more shocking was the person who confessed to her murder.Make sure you listen to the promo for DNA ID from AbJack EntertainmentThank you to OctoberpodVHS for our listener discretion. Please check out his YouTube channelfor amazing creepy stories. You may even hear Cam and Jen on a few.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wThank you to Nico for the toe-tapping theme music, plus sound and editing. wetalkofdreams.comSources:Evil Within by Darren Galsworthy. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evil-Within-Murdered-stepbrother-heartbreaking-ebook/dp/B019MIKTJMhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/murder-becky-watts-unseen-police-11492155https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80r59shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MtD5EjmKC0https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/becky-watts-killer-shauna-hoare-337https://tv.apple.com/us/episode/nathan-matthews--shauna-hoare/umc.cmc.a7gtaqbwyhhtlkyzy37y06z8?showId=umc.cmc.6fvpm4l8ub0mn5xgdlc5gs3shhttps://metro.co.uk/2018/11/30/schoolgirl-giggle-that-made-police-realise-she-had-killed-becky-watts-8194696/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-51221854https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/nathan-matthews-killer-becky-watts-979https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Becky_Wattshttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/11/nathan-matthews-shauna-hoare-becky-watts-dark-fantasies-realityhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/becky-watts-murder-father-daughter-decapitated-morgue-nathan-matthews-a8032796.htmlhttps://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a13449692/what-happened-to-becky-watts-death-brother-nathan-matthews-shauna-hoare/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the early hours of September 13th, 2016, a woman we will only know as Jane Doe, loosened the clothes that were used to bind her hands and legs, found her captor’s phone, and quietly called 911. When the 911 dispatcher answered, Jane Doe, whispered that she was lying next to the man that had abducted her and was holding her hostage. When asked if she knew the name of her kidnapper, Jane Doe replied Shawn Grate.When police interviewed Grate, he confessed to more than just kidnapping.Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Sadistic Confessions: Shawn GrateA huge thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode.HelloFresh.com/ otcp14 and use code otcp14 for up to 14 free meals, including free shippingHelloFresh America’s #1 Meal KitThis episode was researched by Eileen McFarlandEdward "The Voice" October from OctoberpodVHS brings you the Listener Discretion.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer Nico "Neeks" Vettese does all of OTCP's music, sound, and editing.wetalkofdreams.comSources:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqhOjaZEnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U42pGmnlig0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2X11ZVd1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P8k75k-ax8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8DVZFixd88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fGEK-egBx4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwMyMLKPqjA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeMfOTVVUeY Shawn Grate trial part 1https://www.amazon.com/Evil-Lives-Here-Season-8/dp/B08GJ79BDF Evil Lives Here Season 8 Episode 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLTtCL2asXc Jane Doe testimony.https://eu.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/story/news/local/2016/10/01/shawn-grate-cold-blooded-charmer-life-story-accused-serial-killer-ashland-mansfield-marion-ohio/91340968/https://eu.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/story/news/2018/04/26/woman-whose-911-call-led-shawn-grates-arrest-tells-story-court/553900002/https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190911/already-in-prison-for-life-ohio-serial-killer-shawn-grate-admits-to-first-murderhttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/911-call-leads-to-accused-serial-killer_n_57dbdaf9e4b0071a6e0673d2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is May 7, 1976 right before 5pm when a stolen car had been located. The car belonged to a man named Frank Columbo who lived in Elk Grove, a suburb of Chicago. Authorities notified the Elk Grove police and asked them to do a welfare check on the Columbo home. When officers entered the home, it was clear that this was much more than a stolen car recovery case. A loving family had been brutally murdered and a neighborhood was scared. The crime would shock everyone but the biggest shock was yet to come. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “A Dark Love:Columbo Family Murders” on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Listener Discretion by our buddy Edward October from @octoberpodVHS All music is by our EP Nico @wetalkofdreams Sources: https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200730/parole-denied-again-for-patricia-columbo-frank-deluca-in-elk-grove-murdershttps://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2011-03-02-ct-x-n-columbo-parole-20110302-story.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTj6GDpKYkchttps://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200730/parole-denied-again-for-patricia-columbo-frank-deluca-in-elk-grove-murdershttps://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-young-woman-and-her-married-lover-kill-her-familyhttps://www.facebook.com/137265619731/posts/patricia-columbo-64-and-frank-deluca-82-will-seek-release-from-prison-when-they-/10158652602764732/https://www.daily-journal.com/news/state/woman-speaks-out-about-1976-murder-of-her-parents-brother/article_da4a76ca-7eb2-5857-bb6a-ff726a92046a.htmlhttps://www.newsbreak.com/news/1609226285604/parole-denied-again-for-patricia-columbo-frank-deluca-in-elk-grove-murdershttps://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-110302-patricia-columbo-pictures-photogallery.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're are going back to the mid-80s with this case. 1985. Police Academy 2 was a box office smash and holding on to number 1 at the box office for 4 weeks and We Are The World by USA for Africa was the number 1 song. Coca-Cola released New Coke and women’s hair was as high as a stockbroker on Wall Street.Stephen Eldridge 27year old and 37 years old Maureen “Miki” McDermott were pretty much inseparable from the night they met through mutual friends at a gay bar called In Touch Lounge in Van Nuys, California. Miki was about 10 years older than Stephen but they both were gregarious people and loved being the center of attention. They were great friends. Well...at least one of them thought so.Join Cam and Jen as we talk about Stephen and Miki in From Debt to Death Row.Big thanks to these amazing menEdward "The Voice" October from OctoberpodVHS brings you the Listener Discretion.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer Nico "Neeks" Vettese does all of OTCP's music, sound, and editing.wetalkofdreams.comSources:https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-supreme-court/1465157.htmlhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-06-09-me-660-story.htmlhttps://khmezek.com/2021/02/14/the-man-who-saved-monsters/https://khmezek.com/2012/12/04/a-dangerous-woman-2/https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/06/08/Nurse-sentenced-to-die-for-1985-slaying/8974644817600/http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/showthread.php?730-Maureen-McDermott-California-Death-Rowhttps://lethalladies.blogspot.com/2019/10/maureen-miki-mcdermott-hunger-for-cash.htmlhttp://www.metnews.com/articles/2020/mader010720.htmhttps://murderpedia.org/female.M/m/mcdermott-maureen.htmhttps://mycrimelibrary.com/maureen-mcdermott-women-on-death-row/https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/State-s-top-court-upholds-woman-s-death-sentence-2811405.phphttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt2812808/https://deadlywomen.fandom.com/wiki/Hunger_for_Cash Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We all know things are not always as they seem. From the outside, your neighbor or friend has a perfect life. We all know this from all the perfect Facebook posts we see. Oftentimes these people have secrets and the Shermans were no different. We are going to Niantic Connecticut, a small northeastern town with a population just under 3000. In 1985, a horrific tragedy would rattle this quaint community as murder came for one of their own. It would be years before the killer would be brought to justice, all courtesy of a movie. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘A Very Chilly Cold Case: Ellen Sherman.’Listener Discretion is by our friend Edward October @octoberpodVHS Our terrific music is courtesy of our Executive Producer @wetalkofdreamsA special thank you to the sponsor of this episode: ‘Hello Fresh’ America’s #1 meal kit. Give it a try and use our code to get up to 14 free meals and free shipping! go tohellofresh.com/otcp14and use code otcp14 Sources: Forensic Files: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1326485/https://www.ihorror.com/how-a-horror-movie-helped-solve-a-real-life-murder/https://juniperpublishers.com/jfsci/pdf/JFSCI.MS.ID.555578.pdfhttps://www.criminalelement.com/four-murders-and-a-missing-woman-in-the-nutmeg-state/https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1992-02-08-0000206091-story.htmlhttps://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1996-01-12-9601120342-story.htmlhttp://www.aphroditejones.com/blog/2016/5/2/true-crime-with-aphrodite-jones-can-famed-forensic-scientist-dr-henry-lee-solve-a-gruesome-cold-casehttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190010847/edward-robert-shermanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgZ5nfT1gBk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Early on a Sunday morning, a man was driving along Ohio Route 208 when he noticed a woman lying in the middle of the road, As he got closer the woman picked herself up and threw herself at the truck begging for help and screaming that somebody was trying to kill her. The woman was severely burned and covered in scratches from dragging herself a quarter of a mile through branches and undergrowth. The man got out of his truck, laid her down in the grass, and gave her a blanket to cover her naked body before he placed a call to 911.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss The Brutal Murder of Celeste Fronsman. This one is pretty gruesome.***The episode was researched and written by Fern from Evidence Of A Crime. Thank you Fern for your top-notch work. We appreciate you.***Listener Discretion by OctoberpodVHS https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wMusic, Sound, and Editing by Nico Vettese wetalkofdreams.comThank you to this week's sponsor Best Fiends. That's Friends without the RSourceshttps://murderpedia.org/female.C/c/culberson-katrina.htmhttps://eu.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/story/news/local/2017/09/14/those-responsible-celeste-fronsmans-death-serving-life/662198001/https://eu.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/story/news/local/2017/09/14/5-years-later-celeste-fronsman-murder-case-stays-investigators/626693001/https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/96522206/celeste-elaine-fronsmanhttps://fox8.com/?s=celeste+fronsman&search_submit=https://www.wcbe.org/term/celeste-fronsmanhttps://eu.lcsun-news.com/videos/news/crime/2017/09/14/celeste-fronsman-memorial/105596340/https://www.facebook.com/TheNewsMessenger/posts/less-than-a-month-after-celeste-fronsman-was-burned-alive-and-left-for-dead-in-t/10155723285467265/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-women-plead-not-guilty-in-gruesome-death-of-ohio-woman-celeste-fronsman/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196610/Katrina-Marie-Culberson-charged-murder-Celeste-Fronsman-covered-burns-roadside.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205908/Celeste-Fronsman-LeFonse-Dixon-pleads-guilty-woman-raped-tortured-murdered-rural-Ohio-road.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lorraine Kirkley lives in Valparaiso Indiana with her loving husband Robert. Lori worked as a cardiac rehab nurse and seemed to really like her job. The couple were madly in love and had just put up their house for sale and had planned to move to South Bend which is where Robert worked. It was July 21, 1999 around 9:30pm Robert came home from work. Expecting Lori to be home as she was supposed to be, he arrived to an empty home. Even though no one was in the home, it was apparent someone had been there and helped themselves to a few of the belongings. Robert walked across the street to a neighbors and asked if they had seen Lori and when they told him they had not, Robert called 9-1-1. It would take years to find out exactly what happened to Lori.Join Jen and Cam on this Our True Crime Podcast episode entitled ‘Picture Proof: Lorraine Kirkley.’As always our listener discretion is by the wonderful @octoberpodVHS Our EP/ Music is by the stupenedous @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/supreme-court/2003/09030301-rts.htmlhttps://charleyproject.org/case/lorraine-a-kirkleyhttps://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2005-10-16-0510160225-story.htmlhttps://thecinemaholic.com/lori-kirkley-murder-where-is-david-malinski-now/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-08-06-9908060364-story.htmlhttps://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/murder-case-of-valparaiso-nurse-examined-in-discovery-true-crime-series/article_05c2c9bb-68b7-5b73-95ca-b3d80cdb6297.htmlhttps://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorized/husband-files-suit-against-malinski/article_fd76dcb0-fab1-5937-a451-b0d64cd6bd7b.htmlhttps://www.nwitimes.com/news/history/crime/true-crime/true-crime-lorraine-kirkley-disappeared-july-21-1999/collection_47a24482-554a-58a1-af7d-9ae38ec57b4d.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It started with the WWF’s (now WWE) boom period in the mid-1980’s with stars like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Randy Savage, and many others. It represented the colourful culture of the 1980’s and later the edgy period of the late 1990’s with stars like Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H, and many others. Chris Benoit wanted to be just like them. He wanted to be one of the big stars and his dream came true. Chris was on top in the world of wrestling. He was winning titles with his best friends and wife by his side. On June 22, 2007 it all came to an end when the Benoit family was found dead leaving all his fans devastated and more than a few questions.Join Jen and Cam on this listener submission episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘The Final Fall: Chris Benoit.’ A GIANT thank you to our friend Ethan who wrote and researched this episode. Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS EP/music by @wetalkofdreams Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_double-murder_and_suicide#Possible_motiveshttps://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=3560015&page=2https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/benoit-part-two/5e5ed26fc72abc126f065829https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/chris-benoits-son-david-opens-up-about-fathers-murder-suicide/https://www.vicetv.com/en_us/video/benoit-part-one/5e5ed19e9202a153ee37abb1https://vimeo.com/443104973https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0MYinzr3A&ab_channel=WrestleTalkhttps://worldinsport.com/implications-chris-benoits-death-wwe/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It is September 24, 2015, when David Phillips who goes by the name Tray failed to show up to work. The 26-year-old worked on a boat and was a dependable employee who would always show up for work so when he didn’t call, his boss called his grandfather to see if perhaps Tray decided to take the day off or was sick. The grandfather said he would drive over to check on Tray. As the grandfather was approaching the house, he could see a police car and a man lying on the ground in front of his house on Swan Lake Drive. The man would turn out to be Tray Phillips.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “Murder in a Small Town: Tray Phelps” on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. As always, our listener discretion is by the wonderful Edward October from @octoberpodVHS.Our music is by our executive producer, Nico, from @wetalkofdreams. We would like to thank Birthdate.co for sponsoring this episode. Birthdate.co makes unique personalized treasures, based on your astrology. Starting with your birthdate, we craft unforgettable candles and products that are one-of-a-kind and perfect for every occasion.Sources:https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/archive/5th-arrest-in-connection-to-beating-death-of-hayti-mo-man/article_b96ca7ae-4b94-5a55-830c-8682c1fda8b4.htmlhttps://thecinemaholic.com/tray-phelps-murder-where-is-heather-cummings-now/https://www.pemiscotpress.com/story/2419876.htmlhttp://www.ktmoradio.com/2017/02/07/heather-cummings-pleads-guilty-conspiracy-to-commit-murder/https://www.kfvs12.com/story/30216870/second-man-charged-with-murder-in-hayti-beating-death/https://www.kfvs12.com/story/30225576/fourth-suspect-charged-in-hayti-murder-investigation/https://www.pemiscotpress.com/story/2419876.htmlhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt10755666/https://www.semissourian.com/story/2239646.htmlhttps://www.kait8.com/story/30115995/suspect-arrested-in-pemiscot-co-murder-investigation/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was early Christmas morning 2009 in Houma, Louisiana when just after 3 am a call comes into the police. The man on the phone was the owner of a local bar called the Drama Club. He tells officers that his friend and manager of the Drama Club, Robert LeCompte, called him to let him know he was leaving for home. When Robert didn’t arrive home, police were sent to check out the bar. Once inside, police find a gruesome scene with blood everywhere and a lifeless body on the floor. Who would want to hurt Robert? Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “Bloody Christmas at the Drama Club: Robert LeCompte. A special thank you to Love Letter from Z-man Games for sponsoring this episode. Order the game at www.zmangames.com or your local Target store.Listener Discretion by our buddy Edward October @octoberpodVHSOur original music is by our executive producer Nico @wetalkofdreams Sources:https://www.houmatoday.com/article/DA/20121129/News/608087505/HChttps://www.houmatoday.com/article/DA/20121130/News/608087544/HChttps://www.houmatimes.com/news/healing-can-begin-guilty-verdict-delivered-in-drama-club-murder-case/https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/murder/murder-in-the-gay-south-the-christmas-day-killing-at-the-drama-clubhttps://www.vanityfair.com/style/society/2014/01/murder-drama-club-louisianahttps://www.wdsu.com/article/ex-bartender-guilty-in-killing-at-houma-nightclub/3359973#https://unfinishedlivesblog.com/2010/01/02/christmas-murder-of-gay-man-in-louisiana-still-unresolved/https://www.wafb.com/story/12252814/man-arrested-in-connection-with-bar-murder/https://www.houmatoday.com/article/DA/20130116/News/608072979/HC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Naomi Oni was an extremely smart and respectful young lady. She was always taught to place more value in who she is as a person, as opposed to how she looked. She had a tight group of friends and just like a lot of teens, they were all into celebrity culture, fashion, make-up, and music. On the 29th of December 2012, Naomi set off as usual to work her shift in Stratford. After finishing at 11:30 pm, she left the store with her colleagues and as a group, they all walked to the train station where they eventually went separate ways. As she exited the bus and began walking the short distance home, something caught her eye. She felt uneasy, but what would happen next would change Naomi forever. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Acid Attack: The Betrayal of Naomi Oni.’Special thanks to our sponsors Zman Games, the maker of Love Letter and other fun gameshttps://zmangames.com/en/index/Birthdate Co candlesTake 15% off your order of $50 or more by going to birthdate.co/OTCPListener Discretion by the amazing Edward October of OctoberpodVHShttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6w/featuredMusic and editing by Nico Vittese of We Talk of Dreamshttps://wetalkofdreams.comWritten and researched by Fern from Evidence of a CrimeSources:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3uTwxIOrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o8t1zkFDZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXHt4FkV5Mc https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5d38c003-c54a-4513-a369-f9eae0d52f91https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2442620/Acid-attack-victim-Naomi-Oni-weeps-joy-eyebrows-restored.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POrHN9VF9-Uhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25840681https://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/crime-court/mary-konye-sentencing-naomi-oni-tells-how-dagenham-acid-attack-left-her-suicidal-1-3461645https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/21/mary-konye-jailed-12-years-acid-attack-oni-friend-londonhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/victorias-secret-worker-naomi-oni-poured-acid-on-her-face-after-becoming-obsessed-with-katie-piper-9048615.htmlhttps://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/685292/mary-konye-jailed-for-12-years-after-evil-acid-attack-on-friend/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Like many children, Corey Breininger was being raised by his father and grandparents as his mother was not currently in his life. The arrangement worked well for all of them. When Robert Breininger met a woman by the name of Judith Hawkey, there was an immediate connection because the family could once again become a unit. Corey was only 4 years old when he met Judith, and at that young age, he could not yet know how much Judith would change his life and make what should be a little boy’s dream of having a family turn into a nightmare that no one would believe. Join Jen and Cam on this episode of OTCP as we discuss ‘The Wicked Stepmother: Judith Hawkey.’ Listener discretion by the phenom Edward October @octoberpodVHS.All those ear jingles and flawless editing is from our EP Nico @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20190305/news/303059909https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/did-woman-sway-boy-to-kill-his-dad-court-raises-doubts/article_c3c59007-8f20-5724-aa48-eacbf00efd57.htmlhttps://thecinemaholic.com/robert-breininger-murder-where-are-judith-hawkey-and-corey-breininger-now/https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20190305/news/303059909https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11678176/https://murderpedia.org/female.H/h/hawkey-judith.htmhttps://apnews.com/article/f37420a2d6c34217b950f1c4a649bfd4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

***********Graphic Content Warning***************Join Cam and Jen as we discuss Missouri's most heinous modern-day serial killer. Bob Berdella preyed on young men that were down on their luck. Once they were in his grasp, they would be raped, tortured, and murdered.Whether you know him as The Kansas City Butcher or The Collector, one thing is clear, Robert Berdella will still be one of the most sadistic serial killers that Cam and Jen have ever covered. Listener discretion by Edward October from OctoberpodVHS. Please subscribe to his YouTube channel for amazing contenthttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer and music by Nico Vettese of We Talk Of Dreams. If you are looking for a composer, reach out to him atwww.wetalkofdreams.comResearch for this episode was sent to us by Gabriel Bulsaraand Emma from True Crime Witch Podcast helped with the writing.Sources - https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Rites_of_Burial/Y6q5OAAACAAJ?hl=en https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iZ4SfpW5Er4C&pg=PA243&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/20/us/missourian-admits-murders-of-5-men.html https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/berdella-robert.htm https://allthatsinteresting.com/robert-berdella https://www.thoughtco.com/robert-berdella-case-972707 https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/robert-berdella-the-butcher-of-kansas-city-562f95c41858 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/kansas-city-butcher-warped-serial-10987094 https://www.kansascity.com/news/special-reports/kc-true-crime/article704522.html https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6139717/robert-andrew-berdellahttps://criminalminds.fandom.com/wiki/Robert_Berdella https://www.kctv5.com/news/investigations/family-questions-how-crime-scene-evidence-from-berdella-murders-now-for-sale/article_ee4fcc4c-437e-11ea-8a06-777cddb3aef8.html https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/serial-killer/serial-killer-bob-berdella-sold-human-skulls-at-his-bizarre-bazaar Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we go to Paradise where a predator stalked and murdered his victims over thirty years ago. It was the mid-late 1980’s and Hawaii was about to be struck by their first serial killer. It is May 29, 1985 when 25-year-old Vicky Gail Purdy was reported missing by her husband. Vicki had gone out with friends in Waikiki but never came home. This would be the first in a series of murders that would plague the island. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Case of the Honolulu Strangler’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Please note: the recording takes a turn at the end and we wanted you all to hear it as, well, Cam gets quite the shock. Also, I apologize for my course language, I can’t even remember saying those words. It is shocking, to say the least. As always our listener discretion is by our bestie @octoberpodVHS.All music (as well as our producer) is courtesy of Nico @wetakofdreams. Sources:Investigation Discovery (ID) channel program, Breaking Homicide, on May 13, 2018https://web.archive.org/web/20110908192856/http://www.kitv.com/news/4506075/detail.htmlhttps://www.onlyinyourstate.com/hawaii/honolulu-strangler-mystery-hi/https://www.newspapers.com/clip/15711491/honolulu-star-bulletin/https://listverse.com/2018/08/25/10-terrifying-facts-of-the-honolulu-strangler/https://sites.psu.edu/gillianpassionblog/2021/04/01/hawaii-the-honolulu-strangler/https://activefugitives.com/is-the-honolulu-strangler-dead-or-still-at-large/https://serialdispatches.com/the-honolulu-strangler/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jen tells Cam about one of Australia’s most infamous cases.On July 2, 1970, tourists visiting the Loch Ard Gorge in Port Campbell see a yellow Hudson sedan 52 feet below the cliffs. Once the police bring the vehicle to safety, they discover the bodies of Therese(35), Kathryn (13), James (8), and Karen(6).The police suspect the deaths to be murder-suicide. But, things aren't always what they seem. When investigators enter the family home, they find a horrifying crime scene.Join us as we discuss this week's episode Hanging From A Cliff: The Crawford Family Murders.Anyone with information is asked to contact Crime Stoppers. www.crimestoppersvic.com.auListener Discretion by Edward Octoberpod from Octoberpod VHS.Please check him out on YouTube and subscribe to his channel.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZQk-oAsjZNG18y8bX24c6wProducer and music theme by Nico Vettese. www.wetalkofdreams.comThis episode was written by the amazing Fern from Evidence of a Crime.Sources:https://www.amazon.com/Almost-Perfect-Crawford-Family-Murders/dp/1450285163/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/crawford-elmer.htmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5xhYa2g4PUhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_family_murderhttps://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5st557/the_crawford_family_murder_glenroy_austrailia/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5037065/Killer-Elmer-Crawford-believed-living-WA-outback.htmlhttps://twistedhistory.net.au/2018/07/01/murder-of-the-crawford-family-2-2/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za8i0JpD3p8https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-woman-holds-key-to-40-year-old-australian-murder-mystery-vp5m32c9qqz https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7890825/Irish-woman-holds-key-to-40-year-old-Australian-murder-mystery.htmlArticles from Newspapers.com: The Age, July 4th, 1970 – Murder Family: Husband SoughtThe Sydney Morning Herald, July 4th, 1970 – Four murdered, put over the cliffThe Age, July 6th, 1970 - ‘Lights’: New Lead in Cliff MurdersThe Sydney Morning Herald, July 6th, 1970 – Girls tell police: We saw a man at death homeThe Age, July 7th, 1970 – Seeking Glenroy HusbandThe Age, July 8th, 1970 – Search for him goes onThe Age, July 9th, 1970 – Irish Police Alerted on CrawfordThe Sydney Morning Herald, July 6th, 1971 – Killed wife, three childrenThe Age, June 24th, 1971 –... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is a Special OTCP featuring ‘Beyond the Rainbow.’24-year-old Kevin Fret was an up-and-coming Latino trap singer who also happened to be the first openly gay artist in the genre. On Thursday, January 10th, 2019, his life was cut short when he was fatally shot in the head as he was driving his motorcycle in San Juan, Puerto Rico. While questions still circle the crime, one thing remains true. No one has ever been charged with the murder and a killer still walks free. Join Jen and Cam on this special edition of Our True Crime Podcast as we welcome our friend, CJ from ‘Beyond the Rainbow’ podcast as she presents the story of Kevin Fret entitled ‘Beyond the Rainbow: Mysterious Murder of Kevin Fret.’Special thanks and shoutout to CJ for all your hard work and research on this episode but mostly for agreeing to be associated with us. Just like our dear friend Edward from @octoberpodVHS who does our listener discretion each week and our bestie Nico from @wetalkofdreams who does all our sound and produces the show.Sources:Death of Kevin Fret Highlights Crisis of Violence in Puerto Rico - Rolling StoneOzuna blackmailed over 'intimate tape' - BBC NewsOzuna Admits He Was a Victim of Extortion Plot: 'I Made a Mistake' - Rolling StoneKevin Fret - Bio, Rapper, Net Worth, Death, Murder, Gay, Trap Star, Cause of Death, Age, Facts, Wiki, Soy Asi, Killed, Dies at 24, Family, News - Gossip GistOzuna's manager not person of interest in rapper’s murder (pagesix.com)Hispanic Rapper Kevin Fret Arrested for Battery in Miami – NBC 6 South Florida (nbcmiami.com)Well-known gay rapper murdered in Puerto Rico (washingtonblade.com)Exploring the Santurce Neighborhood | Discover Puerto RicoWho Was Kevin Fret? 5 Things To Know About The Gay Latin Trap Artist | Billboard | BillboardLatin rapper Kevin Fret faces judge after Brickell fight – WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort LauderdaleCosculluela - WikipediaKevin Fret's Mother Continues to Accuse Ozuna and His Manager, Vicente Saavedra, of the Trap Artist's Death (newsweek.com) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

An anonymous phone call comes into the police in October 2002. On the other end of the line is a man who states he’s been hearing rumors and the rumors were so strong, he felt he needed to call the police. The man said he had heard that a body had been dumped near Half Moon Bay. Police arrive on the scene and aren’t sure what they have found but they know it is suspicious. They work to secure the scene and call for backup. Detectives arrive and work the scene. As they move the rocks, they now know that the 911 call was not just a tip but was responsible for leading investigators to a body. Join Jen and Cam from Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘A Girl like Gwen: Gwen Araujo.’ Our listener discretion is by the oh-so-talented Edward October @octoberpodVHS. All our original music is by the merrymaking Nico @wetalkofdreams. Nico is also our executive producer. Sources:https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/14/the-murder-of-gwen-araujo/https://medium.com/the-crime-center/the-brutal-murder-of-gwen-araujo-fce7d95b6560https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0787484/https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2016/10/14/gwen-araujo-murder-14-years-later-transgender-teens-killers-face-parole/https://www.queersiliconvalley.org/the-panic-defense/https://transgenderlawcenter.org/archives/339https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/13/us/two-guilty-of-murder-in-death-of-a-transgender-teenager.htmlhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19332053/gwen-amber_rose-araujohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gwen_Araujohttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19332053/gwen-amber_rose-araujohttps://lgbt.wikia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujohttps://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/One-year-since-transgender-teen-s-death-Gwen-2584451.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Please note: this episode was previously released as a Patreon episode. Patreon episodes are not heavily edited and are done in a conversational tone, meaning there is more banter in this episode. If this would offend you, please skip this episode and listen to another of our episodes. Thank you!***Warning*** this episode mentions child abuse. Underwood Minnesota is as small-town America as it gets. With a population of around 300 people, it’s a rural farmland town, kinda a one-stoplight kind of town. May 20 in Minnesota started out as just like another spring day. The kids were getting excited as school was about to be out for summer break. The weather was great and that summer feeling was coming on strong. One of the residents living a calm life was a 13-year-old named Sarah Ann Rairdon. Remember what was important at 13? Friends, clothes, and oh, and puppy love. Sarah was a great, reliable daughter so when she didn’t return home when she was supposed to, no one was immediately panicked. When minutes turn to hours, it becomes obvious something is wrong but who would harm sweet Sarah? The truth was under their noses and more brutal than anyone could imagine. Join Jen and Cam as we discuss ‘The Slaying of Sweet Sarah: Sarah Rairdon’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast. Listener Discretion is by the awesome Edward from @octoberpodVHS.Our music by Nico from @wetalkofdreams.Sources:https://www.twincities.com/2015/08/08/30-years-ago-girls-murder-shocked-small-northwest-minnesota-town/https://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/19/us/father-s-arrest-deepens-a-small-town-mystery.htmlhttps://apnews.com/article/cc3cb57b23e5efca38242aa219c13740https://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/news/491676-underwood-girl-disappeared-25-years-ago-todayhttps://taramallick.medium.com/sarah-rairdon-a-minnesota-murder-dfe0509940eahttps://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1996/c8952552.htmlhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61062440/sarah-ann-rairdonhttps://www.inforum.com/news/626026-30-years-ago-fathers-evil-act-shocked-small-Otter-Tail-County-townhttps://www.twincities.com/2017/12/11/story-of-minnesota-girls-killing-by-molester-dad-featured-on-discovery-show/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mark Tim Todd was raised in Herculaneum and it was right away that everyone knew Tim was going to be a standout in athletics. His dedication and his physique helped him become a stellar athlete. At 6’7 and 230 pounds, it was no shock that he would be so successful in all sports, voted most talented his senior year as well as most handsome. Every boy wanted to be him and every girl wanted to be with him. When Tim goes to work for a prominent police chief, it seems like the whole world is in his hands but all is not what it seems. When the fairy tale story ends, a person is left dead on the garage floor.Join Jen and Cam as we discuss “The Chief, the Gym Rat and the Hitman’ on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast.Listener discretion is by the amazing @octoberpodVHS.All our music is by @wetalkofdreams -we loved Nico so much we made him our executive producer. Sources:https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25928684/ex-chief-pagano-mentor-for-the-man-he/https://law.justia.com/cases/missouri/court-of-appeals/1994/17970-1.htmlhttps://subslikescript.com/series/Killer_Bods-11208504/season-1/episode-3https://ccofgr.com/uranium-metal-lmi/da3191-festus-missouri-murders-paganohttps://www.teamglobal.in/wp-content/cache/vanilla-extract-qij/festus-missouri-murders-pagano-58ce94https://www.stltoday.com/suburban-journals/prosecutor-recounts-bizarre-cases-in-scoundrels-to-the-hoosegow/article_42d7f078-ea9f-54b3-a705-62f6260421f9.htmlhttps://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/william-pagano-walks-past-photographers/image_879e5da1-9dc7-5eba-af43-c3acb215d467.htmlhttps://www.findagrave.com/memorial/37702221/william-n_-pagano Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices