Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

In a quiet Oklahoma town, A.J. Cantrell and his wife Patsy live lives built on community and kindness. They never expect their paths to intersect with a dangerous man whose actions will disrupt their sense of peace forever. The Cantrells, beloved by their community, meet a violent end, leaving a hole in the heart of their close-knit town. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve deep into the tragedy, examining the chilling forensic details, the devastating impact on the community, and the 37-day manhunt that gripped the nation. Morgan leverages his expertise to discuss the mechanics of the lethal 410 shotgun used in the crime, while Mack provides harrowing firsthand accounts that highlight the complexities of the case. They also explore the psychology of violence, diving into the backstory and subsequent actions of the perpetrator, Scott Eizember. Alongside forensic science and investigative details, this episode serves as a tribute to the Cantrells, whose lives were cruelly taken. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the scene, introducing the heartbreaking case that took place in a small town in Oklahoma. 00:01:20 — Generosity and kindness in a church community are explored by Morgan and Mack. 00:03:00 — Joe Scott introduces the notion of a 'wolf in sheep's clothing,' personified by Scott Eizember, who arrives in town riding on a bicycle. 00:06:00 — A romantic entanglement between Eizember and Kathy Biggs becomes the focus as Dave Mack peels back another layer of the story. 00:07:13 — The importance of examining a subject's history in a homicide case is expounded upon by Joseph Scott Morgan. He asserts that such scrutiny can offer insights into potential violent outcomes. 00:09:11 — Dave Mack introduces Scott Eizember's horrifying acts of violence, setting the tone for the deeper forensic analysis to come. 00:10:27 — Dave Mack recalls the terrifying moments leading to the Cantrells' deaths. A 410 shotgun becomes the weapon of irreversible consequence. The deadly force of a 410 shotgun is anatomized by Joseph Scott Morgan. 00:16:14 — Joseph Scott Morgan demystifies gunpowder evidence on a body, helping listeners grasp the possible range from which the shotgun was fired. He talks about using a long-arm weapon as a bludgeon during the attack on Mr. Cantrell. 00:17:11 — Dave Mack educates listeners on the difference between slicing wounds and lacerations, the latter caused by blunt force trauma. 00:18:25 — Skull fractures and the force needed to inflict them are debated by Mack and Morgan. At 00:24:12 — Dave Mack highlights how the Wright family initially welcomed Eizember before he unleashed his violent tendencies on the Cantrells, leading to a whirlpool of tragic events. 00:25:50 — Mack outlines Eizember's further attacks on a 16-year-old boy, a 63-year-old woman, and his ex-girlfriend, Katherine Smith, all of whom survive. 00:26:17 — Dave discusses the 37-day manhunt for Eizember, the kidnapping of Dr. and Mrs. Peebles, and how Eizember was finally apprehended. 00:29:10 — A chilling detail is revealed by Morgan—the unfired round in the weapon, suggesting that Eizember had potential for more destruction. 00:30:20 — The episode concludes with Joseph Scott Morgan confirming Scott Eizember's execution, signaling the end of a terrifying chapter for the community.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sara Jane Harris and Dr. James Michael Ryan meet at his dental practice in the Fall of 2020. By the Summer of 2021, Harris is not only working for the oral surgeon but also living with him. Sarah Harris’ family members began to notice a change in her physical appearance. The family says Harris did not look healthy, and in the following months, Harris' growing drug addiction became evident. What's more, the family believes Ryan was giving his girlfriend drugs from his practice. First responders rush to Ryan's home after an overdose call. Inside, paramedics find Sarah Harris, unresponsive. Various vials of controlled substances, like Ketamine, Diazepam, and Propofol are nearby. Davis weighs just 83 pounds. Ryan is charged in Harris' death, accused of providing the drugs that killed her. According to court documents, text messages between Ryan and Harris show Harris asking for different drugs. Ryan has now been convicted of murdering his girlfriend after she overdosed. The jury's verdict was rendered in less than three hours. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Ken Belkin - Criminal Defense Attorney; Twitter: @Kenneth_Belkin Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta, GA; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women; Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted “My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022” Dr. William Morrone – Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County Michigan; Author: “American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality” Robert Crispin – Private Investigator, Former Federal Task Force Officer for United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division; Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator, “Crispin Special Investigations;” Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations, Inc. Lindsay Watts - Emmy-Winning Reporter, FOX 5 DC; Twitter: @LindsayAWatts, Instagram: @LindsayWatts; Podcast: "Siege on Democracy" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Casey Garcia, 30, stands 4 feet 11 inches tall and weighs 105 pounds. She records herself as she changes her appearance to try and look like her 13-year-old daughter, then using her daughter's school ID, attempts to get into Ann M. Garcia-Enriquez Middle School. During one of her classes, a teacher calls her by her daughter's name, Julie. Garcia makes it through the morning classes and goes to lunch where she takes more photos. As Garcia walks into one of her last classes, another teacher asks for identification. Garcia gives her daughter's name. The teacher is suspicious, and when Garcia asks for help with topics the class has already covered, the teacher confronts her again. Garcia is caught and now admits that she is the mother of a student and that she is partaking in a "social experiment." The teacher asks Garcia to visit the principal's office. Garcia complies and tries to explain her goal to the principal before leaving the school. She says her goal is to prove that anyone can get into the middle school that her daughter attends and that security is seriously lacking. Two days later, Casey Garcia uploads her video to YouTube. Then, police show up to arrest her. The 30-year-old parent is charged with criminal trespassing, as well as tampering with government records for allegedly forging her daughter's signature. In court, Casey Garcia confesses to entering the school, and the tampering with government records for allegedly forging her daughter's signature charge is dropped. Garcia is found guilty of criminal trespassing. and sentenced to six months of probation in El Paso County criminal court. She faces a $700 probated fine and is required to serve 100 hours of community service Today Nancy Grace and her panel look at this case and others where someone impersonates a teen to get into a school. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Darryl Cohen – Former Assistant District Attorney (Fulton County, Georgia) Former Assistant State Attorney (Florida), and Defense Attorney: Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC; Facebook: “Darryl B Cohen;” Twitter: @DarrylBCohen Dr. John Delatorre – Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations Elisa Mula - EMD Physical Security Strategist, Child/School Safety & Security Expert & Advocate; Twitter: @EMDNYC1, IG: @emd_nyc, YouTube: @emd6271 Caitlyn Becker - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Estranged husband attacks woman while he's supposed to be watching their children. Parole violator found hiding in a couch. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teens Jonathan Stockle and Penny Lyles are still on the run. Today father Ryan Lyles joins Nancy Grace to deny claims that he is abusive to his family and has threatened the Stockle family. Then, hear from Penny Lyles and Jonathan Stockle themselves, as they tell their side of the story. The Clatsop County Sheriff’s Office says it has not substantiated the allegations of abuse against Ryan Lyles. Joining Nancy Grace Today Ryan Lyles - Penny's Father Wayne Stockle - Jonathan Stockle's Father Lisa Herrick - Board-certified Juvenile Attorney, Partner at Varghese Summersett, and Former Juvenile Prosecutor; Instagram & Twitter: versustexas, TikTok: lisa_herrick_attorney, Facebook and Youtube: Varghese Summersett Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); Twitter: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in the new show, “Paris in Love” on Peacock Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations Blaise Gomez - News 12 Lead Journalist; Facebook: Blaise Gomez, IG: @blaisegomez12, Twitter @blaisegomez12 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Suspect strangles police dog. Caught red boxer-ed? For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teens Jonathan Stockle and Penny Lyles are dating. When Lyles' family moves back to Oregon, Stockle is invited to join them. After a time, Ryan Lyles, Penny's father, reportedly reads concerning private messages on his oldest daughter's phone. Those messages are allegedly about drugs, and sneaking out of the house to use drugs. Ryan Lyles messages his daughter, Penny, at school and tells her to come straight home after school to talk. They never make it home. Ryan Lyles and the police are called to the school after Penny Lyles tells a school counselor about abuse in the home. According to a report on News 12, after police talk to Penny, they tell her to go home with her father. Ryan Lyles alleges the school counselor tells Penny Lyles if she wants to run, go out the back door. Lyles further claims the counselor opened the door and let her run out. The teens have been missing ever since, except for a traffic stop in Nevada. They were found by officials on Friday, but they didn’t stay “found." News 12 confirmed that the couple was pulled over by the Nevada Highway Patrol in Tonopah. The case was turned over to the Nye County Sheriff’s Office. Officials say Penny Lyles then escaped Division of Child and Family Services custody during a transport by asking to use the restroom She left through a door, and allegedly rejoined Stockle. The Clatsop County Sheriff’s Office says it has not substantiated the allegations of abuse against Ryan Lyles. Joining Nancy Grace Today Wayne Stockle - Jonathan Stockle's father Lisa Herrick - Board-certified Juvenile Attorney, Partner at Varghese Summersett, and Former Juvenile Prosecutor; Instagram & Twitter: versustexas, TikTok: lisa_herrick_attorney, Facebook and Youtube: Varghese Summersett Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); Twitter: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in the new show, “Paris in Love” on Peacock Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations Domingo Ramos - Founder of Hope Alive 845 (a search and rescue nonprofit dedicated to helping families and law enforcement find loved ones); Facebook, TikTok, Instagram: @Hope Alive Blaise Gomez - News 12 Lead Journalist; Facebook: Blaise Gomez, IG: @blaisegomez12, Twitter @blaisegomez12 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

PhD Chemistry student poisons 'noisy' neighbors. News team covering armed robberies experiences one. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rex Heuermann has been housed in the Suffolk County Correctional Facility since his July arrest for the deaths of three women. Asa Ellerup, his estranged wife, filed for divorce six days later. Since then she has not visited Heuermann, until now. Bob Macedonia, Ellerup’s divorce attorney, confirmed Asa Ellerup met with Rex Heuermann at the Suffolk County Jail. No word on how the meeting went or what was said. She has now also attended a court hearing for the accused Long Island Serial Killer. A crew for the Peacock network accompanied her after the family signed a deal worth at least 1 million dollars to take part in an upcoming documentary. We've also learned that Heuermann has become a pen pal behind bars, writing to another serial killer, the "Happy Face Killer. In the early 90s Keith Jesperson, a long hall truck driver, killed many women. When someone else took credit for one of his murders, he started sending letters to the media and police with information only the killer would know. He put a "happy face" on each of his letters and was dubbed the Happy Face Killer. DailyMail reports that Jesperson wrote a letter to Heuermann encouraging him to confess and offering some advice. Rex Heuermann reportedly writes back, thanking the Happy Face Killer for the advice, and then complains about the food in jail and the exercise yard. Joining Nancy Grace Today: John Ray - Attorney for Shannan Gilbert's Family Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); Twitter: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall Joseph Giacalone – Former NYPD Sergeant SDS and Author: “ The Cold Case Handbook” and “The Criminal Investigative Function: A Guide for New Investigators 4th Edition;” Twitter: @JoeGiacalone Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Keith Rovere - Author: “The Story Of Yu," and Host of the “The Lighter Side Of Serial Killers” Podcast (was sent Rex Heuermann’s letter by the Smiley Face Killer); Twitter, IG, FB: The Lighter Side Of Serial Killers Charlie Lankston - US Associate Editor for DailyMail.com; Twitter/Instagram: @Charlielanks See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Armed bystander takes down shooter. Community soccer player headbutts the ref over a call. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Will Alex Murdaugh get a new trial? So far the possibility is up in the air, as allegations of jury tampering have been levied against Colleton County Clerk of Court Rebecca (Becky) Hill. Hill has denied any wrongdoing. At the same time Hill's son, Jeff, has been arrested and is facing charges related to wiretapping. SLED agents accuse Jeff Hill of illegally recording conversations of deputy county administrator Meagan Utse. She served as a liaison between the county and the court during the Murdaugh murder trial. Jeffrey Hill is the technology director at Colleton County Administration. New information is also coming in on the death of Stephen Smith. The 19-year-old was found lying in the middle of the road. His car was found three miles away. The coroner's office ruled the death a hit-and-run. After having her son's body exhumed and a new autopsy performed, we learn Smith was killed by blunt force trauma. Forensic Pathologist Dr. Michelle Dupre, who oversaw the exhumation, reveals the findings Joining Nancy Grace Today: Sandy Smith - Stephen Smith’s Mother Ronnie Richter – Attorney for Sandy Smith, Satterfield family, and other victims of Alex Murdaugh; Partner, Bland Richter Law Firm; Twitter: @BlandRichterSC Caryn Stark – NYC Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Twitter: @carynpsych, Instagram: carynpsych, and FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Dr. Kenny Kinsey- Kenny Kinsey & Associates LLC, Forensic Expert in Murdaugh murder trial; Orangeburg County Chief Deputy, Crime Scene Reconstruction Expert, and Former SLED Special Agent; Twitter: @DrKennethKinsey Todd G. Shipley, CFE, CFCE – Cyber Crime Expert, and Author: “Investigating Internet Crimes: An Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace;” Twitter: @webcase Dr. Michelle Dupre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Jennifer Wood - Director of Research at FITSNews; Twitter: @IndyJenn_ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Army veteran stops carjacker. Multi-million dollar psychedelic mushroom operation busted! For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lured from bars in Tampa Bay, Florida, Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz become victims of unthinkable acts of violence, torture, and ultimately murder at the hands of Steven Lorenzo and his roommate Scott Schweikert. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dive into the harrowing details of these crimes, examining the evidence, psychology, and horrifying realities faced by the victims. As Morgan unpacks the forensic side—from GHB to blood spatter—Mack provides a chilling narrative that contextualizes the nightmare that unfolded. This episode is not just an exploration into the depths of human depravity, but also a tribute to the lives and stories of Jason Galehouse, Michael Waccholtz, Albert Perkins, and other unnamed victims of Loenzo and Schweikert. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan reveals a childhood fascination with a magnifying glass. This simple tale explains his eventual career in forensics. 01:40 — Steven Lorenzo, convicted of two murders but suspected of many more, is introduced. 00:03:20 — Dave Mack asks Joe Scott to break down the substance GHB. 00:03:40 — A chilling overview of Lorenzo's methods is described. Mack succinctly recounts how the criminal drugged and tortured his victims. 00:04:40 — Joseph Scott Morgan unveils the eerie nature of GHB, detailing its street names and effects. 00:08:19 — The online meeting between Lorenzo and Schweikert is discussed. Mack introduces how they connected over shared violent fantasies. 00:11:18 — The terrifying setting of the crimes, Lorenzo and Schweikert's home, is revealed. Joe Scott explains how the drug GHB renders victims compliant. 00:13:56 — Mack goes back to 2003 to bring us the stories of the victims, Jason Galehouse and Michael Wachholtz. 00:16:10 — A vivid picture of the crime scene emerges. Mack and Morgan explore how long blood lasts as evidence. 00:20:25 — Dave Mack retells the testimony of a survivor of Lorenzo and Schweikert's, Albert Perkins, emphasizing the cold-blooded nature of the criminals. 00:28:32 — Joseph Scott Morgan explains the crucial role of insects in forensics. 00:33:40 — Justice takes time. Dave Mack highlights the delay in Steven Lorenzo's trial and eventual sentence.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Carlee Russell calls 911, telling the operator that she sees a toddler walking down the side of an Alabama freeway. When police arrive, there's no toddler and Russell is gone. Her car, however, is still parked along the highway. The door is open and the car is running. Forty-nine hours later, Russell returns home, telling investigators in a brief interview that she was abducted by a man with orange hair and a woman. As the investigation continues, police find some “really strange” internet searches in the hours before she vanished, such as the cut-off age for an AMBER Alert. Now Russell admits via a statement from her lawyer that there was no toddler or abduction. The 26-year-old was found guilty of misdemeanor charges of false reporting to law enforcement and falsely reporting an incident. With the conviction, Russell's attorneys agreed to "stipulate and appeal" the case. This legal move will transfer the case to circuit court the case will tried again. Joining Nancy Grace today: James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Caryn Stark – Psychologist- Trauma and Crime Expert; Twitter: @carnpsych Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Host of new podcast, “Zone 7;” Twitter: @149zone7 Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation” Mike Hadsell – President and Founder of Peace River K9 Search and Rescue; Twitter: @K9River Savannah Sapp – Multimedia Journalist and Reporter for WAFF48 in Alabama; Twitter: @Savannah Sapp/Instagram:@savannahsapp.tv/Facebook:SavannahSappWAFF48 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After high school, Susan Leigh Vaughan marries David Smith. They have two sons, but the children don't keep the marriage together. The Smiths separated several times. During one of these separations, Susan Smith begins dating Tom Findlay, the single son of a wealthy mill owner. Smith is planning a future with her new beau when she gets a Dear John letter from Findley. He explains that he doesn't want an instant family. On the night of October 25, Susan Smith knocks on the door of a house near John D Long Lake. She is hysterical when the man answers the door and tells him to call the police. She says an armed black man just carjacked her at a red light. Her two boys, 3-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alex, are still in the car. For days Susan Smith tells an ever-changing story of the carjacking. Then Susan Smith finally admits what she has done. There never was a hijacker. She went out for a drive with her sons buckled into their car seats in the back. Feeling desperate, alone, and suicidal, she drove to John D. Long Lake and puts the car in neutral. She jumps out and watches the car sink. Scuba divers locate the vehicle with the boys in the back, still buckled into their seats. Since Susan Smith was convicted and jailed, tabloid news reports claim Smith told prison investigators that she had four sexual encounters with Lieutenant Houston Cagle, a supervisor at South Carolina's Women's Correctional Institution. Cagle admitted having sex with Smith and another prisoner. He was charged with the offenses in August 2000. The 50-year-old Cagle pleaded guilty and spent 3 months in jail. Captain Alfred Rowe also pleaded guilty to having sex with Smith and was sentenced to five years' probation. Now Smith's relationship with men turns to pen pals. Several men have written to Smith over the years, with Smith looking to a life outside prison. In March of 2022, People magazine gained access to letters Smith wrote to a long-distance boyfriend. In one letter Smith wrote, "I can't wait to build a life with you, leave the past mistakes behind and start fresh, just you and me." The Messenger has reportedly obtained transcripts of dozens of voice and text messages that Susan Smith traded with at least six men while serving her time in Prison. One man has gone so are as to build a fake life for Susan Smith and himself in the game the Sims also has a pet name for the convicted child killer, "Pookie." Joining Nancy Grace Today: Tara Malek – Boise, ID, Attorney & Co-owner of Smith + Malek; Former State and Federal Prosecutor; Twitter: @smith_malek Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive Chris McDonough – Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room” JoScott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University; Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet;” Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Twitter: @JoScottForensic Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dad call for a ride home from a bar. Instead of picking him up, son runs over him, leaving him for dead. A Kentucky man puts a whole new spin on "fishing for votes." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The search continues for a Washington state mom who disappeared after a frantic call to 911. That call is the last connection anyone has to missing Mikayla Standridge. The 25-year-old reportedly can be heard screaming for help on the call before the connection is lost. Standridge was last reportedly seen running out of a house in Concrete, Washington early in the morning. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Mardi Martone - Aunt of the victim Irv Miller- Criminal Defense Attorney: The Miller Firm, Legal Analyst: CBS2 Chicago WBBM-TV and Legal Technical Advisor to “THE GOOD WIFE” and “THE GOOD FIGHT”: CBS Productions Caryn Stark – Psychologist- Trauma and Crime Expert; Twitter: @carnpsych Jason Jensen – Private Investigator (Jensen Private Investigations), Cold Case Expert (Salt Lake City, UT), and Co-founder: “Cold Case Coalition;” Investigations; Twitter: @JasonJPI, Facebook/Instagram: “Jensen Investigations” Mike Hadsell - President and Founder of Peace River K9 Search and Rescue, PRSAR.org Nicole Partin - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter; Twitter: @nicolepartin (Naples, FL) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman, tortured by co-worker giving her a ride home, rescued by police. Speeder tries to give cops the slip. Officers meet him in his driveway. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Arelie Garcia is the youngest of the six children in her family. After high school, Garcia trains in Automotive Mechanics Technology at the Center for Employment Training and works at My Chevrolet in Salinas as a service advisor. Co-worker Miguel Alvarez describes Arelie Garcia as the "happy one" of the group. Garcia maintains a close relationship with her sisters and texts Veronica almost daily. On September 22, Arelie Garcia sends Veronica a message at 6 a.m., a simple message of ‘Good morning, I love you." At 6:30 a.m., Garcia is seen on surveillance video leaving her apartment and heading for work. She didn't show up at all. Her sisters begin texting and calling their sister's phone, getting no response. Garcia's sister, Veronica, logs into Find My iPhone and is surprised to see Arelie Garcia's phone last pinged to a location in Big Sur, about an hour away from Salinas. Her car is found parked on the side of the road. Locked. Garcia was nowhere to be found. Joining Nancy Grace today: Ely Mendoza - Arelie’s Older sister, www.gofundme.com/f/help-find-arelie-garcia; Instagram: bringareliehome_ Wendy Patrick – California Prosecutor, Author of “Why Bad Looks Good” and “Red Flags,” and Host of “Today with Dr. Wendy” on KCBQ in San Diego; Twitter: @WendyPatrickPHD Dan Corsentino – Former Police Chief, Former Sheriff (served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board), and Private Investigator; Expert witness certified in Federal and State courts in the area of Police Policy Todd G. Shipley, CFE, CFCE – Cyber Crime Expert, and Author: “Investigating Internet Crimes: An Introduction to Solving Crimes in Cyberspace;” Twitter: @webcase Mike Hadsell – President and Founder of Peace River K9 Search and Rescue; Twitter: @K9River Ricardo Tovar - Journalist, Digital Content Manager for KION Newschannel 46; Twitter: @rtovarg13 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Possibly impaired driver causes fatal bus crash. Suspected porch pirate is a BEAR. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Betty and Connor Bowman have a lot in common when they marry. Betty Bowman graduates from the University of Kansas School of Pharmacy with a Pharmaceutical Doctorate. She works as a hospital pharmacist while Connor Bowman gets his Internal Medicine Residency. Betty Bowman takes a position at the Mayo Clinic, so when she falls ill suddenly, the Mayo Clinic is the logical place for treatment. It seems Betty Bowman is suffering from food poisoning, gastrointestinal distress, and dehydration. Her condition doesn't get any better. She takes a turn for the worse, with heart problems, and fluid buildup in her lungs. Part of her colon is also removed after doctors discover necrotic tissue. Bowman dies from organ failure. Then the Southeast Minnesota Medical Examiner's Office alerts the Rochester Police Department to the suspicious nature of Betty Bowman's death. The Medical Examiner's office had to halt a cremation order. According to court records, the Medical Examiner’s Office received a call from CGK- a female friend of the Bowman who said Betty and Connor Bowman were having marital issues and were talking about divorce following infidelity and a deteriorating relationship. In the Criminal Complaint, it is stated that Conner Bowman told the Medical Examiner’s Office that his wife should be cremated immediately, arguing that Betty Bowman did not want to be a cadaver. Connor Bowman also began asking one of the medical examiner investigators if the toxicology analysis being completed would be more thorough than the analysis typically done at the hospital. Bowman wanted a list of what was specifically going to be tested for. Friends of Betty Bowman began reaching out to investigators. An adult female friend of Betty Bowman told the Rochester Police Department that she had texted Betty Bowman and that Bowman told her she was sick. The friend told the detective that Betty Bowman was normally a healthy person. Another friend said a text from Betty Bowman said she thought a smoothie she had the night before might have caused her illness. Detectives began looking at all options and found husband Connor Bowman had accessed Betty Bowman's patient account using his hospital credentials. From there he was able to locate internet searches conducted by Connor Bowman, a Poison Specialist. Connor Bowman was researching COLCHICINE, a drug used to treat gout. What's more, he was searching for information in determining what a lethal dose would be, by entering his wife's weight. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Dale Carson – High-profile Criminal Defense Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, and Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County); Author: “Arrest-Proof Yourself;” Twitter: @DaleCarsonLaw Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Robin Dreeke – Behavior Expert & Retired FBI Special Agent / Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program; Author: “Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agents Manual for Behavior Prediction;” Twitter: @rdreeke Dr. Lyle D. Burgoon, Ph.D. – Toxicology Expert, President and CEO of Raptor Pharm & Tox, Ltd., and Fellow of the Academy of Toxicological Sciences; Critical Science Podcast: https://critscipod.com; Twitter/X: @DataSciBurgoon Charles Kelley - Reporter & Weekend Anchor for KTTC News; IG & TikTok: @charliemkelley, FB: Charles Kelley KTTC See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man drugs spouse, breaks his neck, then stages a crime scene trying to collect insurance. Imposter cop pulls over a driver, only to find it's an undercover police car. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thanksgiving, 2018, Kelsey Berreth talks with her mother that morning and is then seen on video at a local grocery. Two days later, text messages from Berreth's phone were sent to Patrick Frazee, Berreth's fiance, her mother, and her boss, saying she was taking a few days off. After not hearing from her daughter in over a week, Cheryl Berreth asks the police to check on her daughter. Kelsey Berreth is missing. The investigation into Berreth's disappearance goes on for a month before Patrick Frazee is arrested, and charged with murdering the woman he was supposed to marry. One of the breaks for police was information coming from Frazee's mistress Krystal Lee Kenney. She tells police that Frazee had asked her three times to kill Berreth and when she refused, he did it himself. Frazee blindfolded Berreth on the pretense of a game of guessing the scent. He then bludgeoned her with a baseball bat, calling Kenney and telling her she had a mess to clean up. She drives from her home in Idaho to Colorado to clean up the bloody crime scene. She tells police she accompanied Frazee to his nearby ranch, where she said he burned Berreth’s remains as well as her personal belongings. Frazee is convicted on all charges including first-degree murder, solicitation for murder, and tampering with a deceased human body. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the murder charge, plus 156 years for the other convictions. His appeal was denied Krystal Lee Kenney accepted a plea deal in exchange for her testimony against Frazee. She was sentenced to three years in prison. After Frazee's conviction, Kenney was sentenced to 18 months in prison for evidence tampering. She has now been released. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Eric Faddis - Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis Dr. Jorey L. Krawczyn - Police Psychologist, Adjunct Faculty with Saint Leo University; Research Consultant with Blue Wall Institute, Author: Operation S.O.S. - Practical Recommendations to Help “Stop Officer Suicide” Sheryl McCollum - CSI, Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Host of "Zone 7;" Twitter: @149Zone7 Dr. Tim Gallagher– Medical Examiner, State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker, Lead Stories; Twitter: @swimmie2009 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

2-year-old taken to ER with cuts to his penis. Car thief thwarted by a forklift. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Joysee Cartagena's coworkers at JetBlue know something is awry when she fails to log in for work—a complete break from her reliable character. Soon after, her lifeless body is found in her home in Sanford, Florida, a zip tie around her neck igniting a slew of investigative questions. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dissect the intricacies of Joysee's perplexing death, weaving together cutting-edge forensic science with real-world implications. The hosts explore everything from forensic markers like ligatures and Tardieu spots to the complex relationship dynamics between Joysee and her boyfriend, Joel Bauza. As they delve into the timeline, scrutinize the evidence, and discuss the eventual charges, their unwavering goal remains: to shed light on the truth behind Joysee's untimely death. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan introduces the complexities of death investigation. The discussion opens with abnormal elements that investigators often encounter. 00:01:40 — Joe delves deeper into the relevance of zip ties in an ongoing case in Sanford, Florida. He details their significance in the overall forensic investigation. 00:03:20 — Dave Mack introduces the story of Joel Bauza and Joysee Cartagena. He portrays Joysee as a caring individual who always put others first, while Joel appears financially dependent on her. 00:04:40 — Joysee's work history and her job at JetBlue are discussed. Dave reveals how important her career was to her. 00:05:00 — The red flag goes up when Joysee misses work. Her coworkers' immediate concern sets the stage for the investigation. 00:05:40 — Emphasizing the importance of timelines in death investigations, Joseph Scott Morgan argues that every minute counts when piecing together the facts. 00:07:42 — Morgan brings up the uncommon circumstances surrounding Joysee’s death. The atypical nature of the case required extra attention from detectives and crime scene techs. 00:09:08 — Dave discusses the zip tie and signs of a struggle. He lays out potential scenarios that could explain Joysee’s untimely death. 00:10:39 — Suicide as a possible result of a domestic dispute is pondered. It’s a heartbreaking thought, yet critical to the investigation. 00:11:11 — Joe Scott instructs on letting the environment of a crime scene "speak" to the investigator. He warns against being influenced by others present. 00:16:00 — The importance of leaving a ligature in place at a crime scene is brought to light. It’s a detail that can have far-reaching implications. 00:17:40 — Morgan questions why the ligature was not removed in Joysee’s case. The unanswered action hints at a potential suspect. 00:19:00 — Joe Scott explains the process of proving a suicide and emphasizes the importance of treating all deaths as homicides until proven otherwise. 00:23:00 — Dave points out delays in the criminal justice process. 00:25:00 — The physical evidence, particularly multiple abrasions on Joysee’s body, is dissected. Joe Scott posits that these suggest a struggle. 00:30:13 — Joseph Scott Morgan introduces the topic of ligatures, which are often seen in hangings. He provides an insight into the presence of Tardieu spots, a specific type of petechiae, and how they appear in cases of strangulation. 00:33:21 — The hosts discuss the pressure points on a zip tie during strangulation and how they can be traced post-mortem. 00:37:20 — Addressing mental health, Joseph Scott Morgan acknowledges listeners struggling with suicidal thoughts, provides the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline number, and emphasizes the importance of seeking help.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Anna Moriah Wilson was in Texas to race at a 150-mile Gravel Locas competition. She's bunking at the home of her friend, Caitlyn Cash. After an evening of swimming with fellow cyclist Colin Strickland, Wilson returns to Cash's home for the evening. When Cash arrives, however, she finds Wilson in a pool of blood in the bathroom. Wilson has been shot multiple times. Police find surveillance video of a black SUV seen outside near the time of Wilson's death. The SUV is tracked to Colin Strickland's girlfriend, Kaitlyn Armstrong. Murder suspect Kaitlin Armstrong, on the run for a month, is busted in Costa Rica. U.S. Marshals say Armstrong was staying at a Santa Teresa beachside hostel, an area where yoga enthusiasts and surfers frequent. Armstrong also reportedly had a receipt on her for plastic surgery. Armstrong had also cut and dyed her hair. Now after a two-week trial, a jury renders a guilty verdict in just a couple of hours. Joining Nancy Grace today: Rania Mankarious - CEO, Crime Stoppers of Houston, Author: "The Online World, What You Think You Know and What You Don’t: 4 Critical Tools for Navigating the Digital Age", Crime-Stoppers.org, RaniaMankarious.com, Instagram/Twitter: @TheRaniaReport James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. Shari Schwartz– Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;” Twitter: @TrialDoc JJoe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic Tony Plohetski - Investigative Reporter, Austin American-Statesman and KVUE (Austin, TX), Twitter: @tplohetski See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A young nurse, separated from her husband, joins friends and co-workers for an evening out after their shift. She’s standing alone as her friends dance when she’s approached by a well-dressed man. They dance and then continue their conversation. He says his name is Bob White and would like to see the nurse again. She agrees and a few days later, the pair meet at a local coffee bar-type restaurant. A few strange comments, and a few odd questions later, the nurse realizes she has made a mistake. Her contact with this strange man must end. Then, the nurse makes a stunning discovery. Bob White is really Dennis Rader. Gina Rodriguez is the nurse and she joins Nancy Grace to tell her story of how she met and survived BTK, the sadistic serial killer that held Wichita and the nation captive in a decades-long nightmare. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Gina Rodriguez - Had a coffee date with BTK in Wichita in February 1974 Dale Carson – High-profile Criminal Defense Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, and Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County); Author: “Arrest-Proof Yourself;” Twitter: @DaleCarsonLaw Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask” Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder and Host of “Zone 7” podcast; Twitter: @149Zone7 Sheriff Eddie Virden– Osage County Sheriff’s Office; Assembled the BTK task force See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

School cafeteria worker defiles kitchen tools used to feed students. This charming home also includes an on-site meth lab. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A young nurse, separated from her husband, joins friends and co-workers for an evening out after their shift. She's standing alone as her friends dance when she's approached by a well-dressed man. They dance and then continue their conversation. He says his name is Bob White and would like to see the nurse again. She agrees and a few days later, the pair meet at a local coffee bar type restaurant. A few strange comments, and a few odd questions later, the nurse realizes she has made a mistake. Her contact with this strange man must end. Then the nurse make a stunning discovery. Bob White is really Dennis Rader. Gina Rodriquez is the nurse and she joins Nancy Grace to tell her story of how she met and survived BTK, the sadistic serial killer that held Wichita and the nation captive in a decades long nightmare. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Gina Rodriguez - Had a coffee date with BTK in Wichita February 1974 Dale Carson- High Profile Criminal Defense Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County), Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself”, DaleCarsonLaw.com, Twitter: @DaleCarsonLaw Dr. Joni Johnston - Forensic psychologist and private investigator, performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders, Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask”, Drjonijohnston.com Sheryl McCollum - Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, ColdCaseCrimes.org, Host of new podcast: Zone 7, Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Sheriff Eddie Virden - Osage County, Assembled the BTK task force, www.ocso.net See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teen silenced for speaking out about sexual assault. Naked man bests Las Vegas cop. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jillian Ludwig kicks off her freshman year at Nashville's Belmont University in her first weeks by settling into a routine that includes putting her musical talents to work and enjoying the great outdoors. Ludwig is walking on the track in Edgehill Community Memorial Gardens Park at 2:30 p.m. when gunshots ring out from across the street. Jillian Ludwig is not the intended target, but she is hit in the head with a stray bullet. Nobody else is on the track, and Ludwig suffers for nearly an hour before she is found on the ground with a gunshot wound to the head. She is transported to the Vanderbilt University Medical Center in very critical condition. As Jillian Ludwig fights for her life in Vanderbilt University Medical Center, police arrest 29-year-old Shaquille Taylor. Surveillance video and witness statements point to Taylor as the shooter. Video shows Ludwig falling as Taylor shoots at a car. He's charged with aggravated assault, evidence tampering, and failure to appear on a different felony charge. Taylor is someone well-known to Nashville's law enforcement community. His record stretches back more than a decade. His latest arrest was on September 21. Taylor was driving a Ford F-150 pickup truck that had been carjacked by two men wearing ski masks on September 16. Taylor did not admit to being involved in the carjacking in any way but he was charged with felony auto theft and was released on a bond. Taylor was due in court just days before the shooting of Jillian Ludwig but he failed to show up. Despite multiple arrests, Taylor had been released from custody after three court-appointed psychologists deemed him incompetent to stand trial, and also found he didn't pose an imminent threat to himself or others. According to court records, Shaquille Taylor has an intellectual disability and language impairment, With that determination, it means he isn't able to participate in a trial. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Geri Wainwright - Great Aunt of Jillian Ludwig Eileen Bearisto Mahoney- Community member Matthew Mangino – Attorney, Former District Attorney (Lawrence County); Author: “The Executioner’s Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States;" Twitter: @MatthewTMangino Dr. Shari Schwartz– Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;” Twitter: @TrialDoc Andy Kahan - Director of Victim Services and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston Marissa Sulek - Reporter for WSMV; Instagram: @marissasulek, X: @marissa_sulek, Facebook: @Marissa Sulek WSMV See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A group of day laborers is hired by Sam Haskell IV to remove three bags of what they are told, are rocks from his garage The men described the bags as "soft and soggy," with each weighing about 50 pounds. A block away from Haskell's house, the workers opened up the bags and said they saw body parts. The men returned the bag to Haskell and returned his money. Haskell played it off, telling the workers what they actually saw were Halloween props. The men drove immediately to the police. The men try to report what they have seen to police but they are turned away. The men went to the Highway Patrol station first but were told to go to the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD Topanga Station tells the men to go back outside and call 911 from the courtyard. In the meantime, police receive another call about human remains, A homeless man, digging through the dumpster looking for recyclables, finds human remains. Inside the dumpster, LAPD found a torso in a bag. The investigation provided detectives with enough information to lead them to Samuel Haskell IV's residence. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Elle Benami - -Friend and neighbor of Mei & Samuel Haskell IG: @ellebenami Troy Slaten – Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; Twitter @TroySlaten Dr. Gary Brucato – Clinical Psychologist and Author: “The New Evil: Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime” Chris McDonough – Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room” Dr. Michelle Dupre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Dr. Trace Sargent- Search, Rescue & Recovery Expert, (Ph.D. in Psychology with a focus on victimology – criminal profiling – predator behaviors – crime scene analysis); Podcast: “The Seeker’s Quest;” Facebook: The Seeker’s Quest Alexis Tereszcuk – CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker for Lead Stories; Twitter: @swimmie2009 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ex-boyfriend makes an attempt on woman's father's life, then kills her mother. Actual cops don't find "Booty Patrol" truck amusing. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Decatur, Alabama, police get a call for a welfare check on 36-year-old Cindy Crow. WAFF reports a family member believed Crow to be eight months pregnant. Crow, however, looked like she had lost a lot of weight, overnight. The family member, a sister, told police that she had seen Crow leaving her home, with a large, white trash bag in the back floorboard of her car. In the home, bloody feminine products were found in the trash. Police contacted Crow at work, where she agreed to go to the hospital to prove that she was not pregnant. While waiting for the test results, Crow gave an officer consent to search her cell phone, where he found the app LIFE360. This allowed the detective to trace the route Cindy Crow took when she left her home with the white trash bag. Using information garnered from the LIFE360 app, detectives found a location with a dumpster, Wally World Mini-Mart. Investigators searched inside the dumpster and found the trash bag containing the deceased body of a newborn baby girl. It was stuffed in the bottom of the dumpster under several other large bags of trash. Cindy Crow was arrested and so far is charged with abuse of a corpse. Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta, GA; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women; Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted “My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022” Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Michelle Fingerman - Vice President of National Programs for Childhelp, Childhelp.org and childhelphotline.org; LinkedIn: @michellefingerman Nicole Partin - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter; Twitter: @nicolepartin See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man points a gun at children visiting the wrong address. Service-seeker turned down yet again when he mentions his horse. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Robert and Georgette Sturmfels, spending the winter holiday season in their cozy Florida home, are blissfully unaware that their lives are about to be irrevocably shattered. Tragically, their lives abruptly end on December 20, 1989, as they become the victims of a chilling double homicide. In this episode, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the horrifying details of the Sturmfels' murders. They meticulously unravel the case, from the suspect's choice of a 22-caliber rifle to the unsettling finality of the crime scene. The conversation goes beyond the murder itself to examine its broader implications, such as the weapon's surprising lethality, common misconceptions about gunshot wounds, and the cold-blooded nature of the perpetrator. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan starts off with a touching reflection on Christmas. From stress to joy, his sentiments evolve over time, especially as he becomes a grandfather. At 00:01:20 — The tragic case of Robert and Georgette Sturmfels is introduced by Joe Scott. Their murder in Florida sets the stage for a disconcerting episode. 00:04:20 — Diving deeper, Joseph Scott Morgan paints a vivid picture of the Sturmfels' murder. He describes the horrific scene in disquieting detail. 00:05:20 — Louis Gaskin, the suspect, is discussed by Dave Mack. He outlines Gaskin's ruthlessness and the premeditation behind the crime. 00:06:20 — Weaponry is the topic as Joe Scott and Dave debate the lethal nature of a 22-caliber rifle used in the crime. 00:08:00 — A lesson in firearms ensues as Joseph Scott Morgan distinguishes between long arms and pistols, explaining why the latter is more easily concealed. 00:10:20 — Unveiling the crime, Dave shares how Louis Gaskin meticulously planned, and executed the murders of the Sturmfels couple. 00:12:20 — Debunking Hollywood myths, Joseph Scott Morgan explains that gunshot wounds are not just dramatic effects; victims often realize they've been shot and experience pain. 00:13:00 — Gaskin's own words add horror to the narrative as Dave recounts the unsettling sounds Mrs. Sturmfels made during her final moments. 00:14:20 — Joe Scott dives into the world of forensics, explaining how a gunshot through glass has implications on bullet behavior. He describes how the bullet’s trajectory and energy are affected upon impact. 00:17:04 — Joseph Scott Morgan elaborates on snipers and the adjustments they have to make due to the influence of gravity on bullets, especially when glass is involved. 00:20:36 — The episode’s atmosphere becomes tenser as Morgan and Mack discuss Gaskin's execution of Mr. Sturmfels and his chilling confession. 00:21:00 — The term "death wheeze" is introduced as Joe Scott explains the physiological impact of a gunshot wound to the lungs. 00:24:01 — Dave summarizes Gaskin's crime spree; from killing to covering the bodies with blankets and burglary. 00:24:35 — Gaskin, dressed in all black and carrying a 22 rifle, drives to the home of Joseph and Mary Rector, where he shoots at them after waking them up. 00:26:20 — Dave Mack discusses the gunshot wounds and how the Rectors managed to escape. 00:28:20 — The hosts ponder Gaskin's motivations, diving into the psychology behind these appalling acts. 00:33:40 — The episode concludes with Joseph Scott Morgan revealing the final fate of the killer, a grim but just end to a twisted journey.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Madison Russo told the world she was battling pancreatic cancer and had a tumor “the size of a football." It was all a lie. After Russo bilked donors out of more than $37,000 through her posts on social media, some eagle-eyed medical professionals began questioning her diagnosis. The anonymous witnesses noticed inaccuracies in the photos she posted of herself and contacted authorities. Russo is arrested and charged with first-degree theft. Now, under a plea deal, Russo gets a suspended sentence and stays out of jail Joining Nancy Grace today: Kirby Clements- Attorney at Law, Author: "How to Keep Your A$$ Out of Jail;" Instagram: @kirbyclementsjr, Twitter: @kirbyesq Dr. Shari Schwartz- Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;" Twitter: @TrialDoc Greg Smith- Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office (Kansas), Executive Director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation Stefani Condon-Oldreive - Founder and Director of Craig’s Cause Pancreatic Cancer Society; Craig was her father, who passed away shortly after his diagnosis 16 years ago. https://twitter.com/CraigsCauseCan https://www.instagram.com/craigscausecan/ https://www.facebook.com/CraigsCauseCan/ Dr. Tim Gallagher- Medical Examiner, State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Kayla Brantley- Reporter, DailyMail.com; Twitter: @_KaylaBrantley, Instagram: @KaylaBrantley See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

David and Cindy Rainey rent a cottage for the weekend along a canal in Suwanee, Florida, 140 miles from home. The couple's two adult sons, Bailey and Jack, plus a family friend, join them for the weekend getaway. On Saturday, David walks away from the home and doesn’t come back. Cindy and David Rainey reportedly got into an argument. David left, walking out of the house. He left his glasses, wallet, and cellphone behind in their rental home. The next morning, David still hadn’t returned. Cindy calls the police. An extensive search ensues and continues throughout the day without success. It wasn't until early evening that same day, that deputies found David Rainey’s body submerged in the canal in the backyard of the rental house. He had been stabbed multiple times in the chest and was still in the same clothes he was last seen wearing. Police say the body was placed in the water after death. David Rainey's death was ruled a homicide. It’s been more than two years since David Rainey’s body was found submerged in water and stabbed to death. Police have no suspects in the murder, but that doesn’t mean they’ve not made an arrest. The Dixie County Sheriff's office says three of David Rainey’s family members have been arrested. David Rainey's wife and two sons are all charged with tampering with evidence, apparently related to the dumping of Rainey’s body in the canal after he was stabbed. Investigators with the Dixie County Sheriff’s Office traveled to Bunnell, Florida, and arrested Cindy Rainey and Bailey Rainey, then traveled to Orlando, Florida, and arrested Jack Rainey. Cindy Rainey, Bailey Rainey, and Jack Rainey are being held without bond. In Florida, tampering with evidence is counted as a third-degree felony, with penalties of up to 5 years in prison, or 5 years of probation and a $5,000 fine. Police still have not released a suspect or a possible motive for Rainey's murder. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kelly Hyman – Trial & Civil Attorney (Miami, FL), TV Legal Analyst, & Author: “Build Back Better;” Podcast Host: “Once Upon a Crime In Hollywood;” Twitter: @kellyhyman1/TikTok: @kelly.hyman/Instagram: @Kelly_Hyman1 Caryn L. Stark - Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Pat Diaz - Former Miami Dade Police Homicide Detective, Private Investigator in South Florida Dr. Jan Gorniak - Board-certified Forensic Pathologist, Former Medical Examiner for Clark County (Las Vegas, NV) Jen Smith - Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com; Twitter: @jen_e_smith See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man behind bars for burning woman alive. Couple uses the names of deceased babies to create new identities. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Four potential new witnesses have come forward with information connecting Rex Heuermann to the Long Island Serial Killer murders One of the witnesses worked in a bank during the day and drove a taxicab at night. She signed an affidavit that she picked up Shannan Gilbert from a Sayville motel, but when she got the order from dispatch, was told the person she was picking up was so afraid she was hiding in a locked bathroom. The rider would only come out if the taxi driver flashes her lights and beeps the horn. The cab driver says she showed up to the motel, flashed her lights, and beeped her horn but nobody came out of the motel. However, she did see "a giant man' fitting the description of Rex Heuermann come out of the motel. When the girl finally comes out, she is crying. The driver believes this person was Shannan Gilbert Another witness claims Heuermann and his wife were swingers, and Karen Vergata took part in a party at Heuermann's home. A third potential witness contacted attorney John Ray and says she remembers being picked up by Rex Heuermann. She says he threatened her with a gun. The fourth potential new witness claims she was a sex worker for many years, including the time the killings occurred. She said Heuermann was a serial user of sex workers, and he would sometimes have them come to his house, with his wife upstairs, Joining Nancy Grace Today: John Ray - Attorney for the family of Shannan Gilbert Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask” Robin Dreeke – Behavior Expert & Retired FBI Special Agent / Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program; Author: “Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agents Manual for Behavior Prediction;” Twitter: @rdreeke Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Mary Murphy – Investigative Reporter, PIX11 News, New York City (WPIX TV); Recipient of 30 New York Emmy awards; Facebook: Mary Murphy Mystery, Instagram: @marymurphypix, Twitter: @MurphyPIX See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman poisons man for his fake inheritance. Stolen forklift leads incredibly slow chase. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Arrested in Washington State, Shanna Gardner has finally been extradited back to Florida, where she faces charges in a murder-for-hire plot to kill her ex-husband. Gardner together with her current husband, Mario Fernandez Saldana are accused of hiring a hitman to gun down Microsoft executive and father of four, Jared Bridegan. Bridegan was killed in front of his small daughter after being lured out of his car by debris in the road, preventing him from making his way home. The next court date for Gardner and Fernandez-Saldana is scheduled for December 1. Beside Gardner for the hearing will be attorney Jose Baez, known for defending "Tot Mom" Casey Anthony in the death of her daughter who was found not guilty of murder. Gardner and her current husband will be tried together, possibly with separate juries. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kathleen Murphy – North Carolina Family Attorney; Twitter: @RalDivorceLaw Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA. (voted ‘My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice’ of 2023) Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, and Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital Chris McDonough – Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, and Host of YouTube Channel, “The Interview Room” Dr. Todd M. Barr - Board-certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist, Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner Ray Caputo – Investigative Reporter (Orlando, FL); Professor, Bethune-Cookman University See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teen randomly attacks for video. This banana tries to split! For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nancy Grace and a panel of experts investigate the latest developments in the Bryan Kohberger murder trial. This episode features exclusive comments from Cara Northington, Xana Kernodle's mother, who defends her daughter from vicious rumors and theories surrounding the case. The defense motion calling for the dismissal of the Grand Jury indictment against the accused killer was denied by a judge. Cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom. FBI Agents have entered the King Road home again, hoping to gain more information as the prosecution prepares for trial. A 3D model of the home is being built. Experts say this will help explain to the jury where evidence was found and why the placement of that evidence is important. Latah County District Judge John Judge has also ordered the prosecution to provide more DNA information that has been requested by Kohberger’s defense team, setting a December 1st deadline. Joining Nancy Grace today : Jean Fisher – Former Chief Deputy prosecutor in Ada County, Boise, ID; Former Special Crimes Chief Deputy (specializing in murder, crimes against children, and sexual assault); Director of Curriculum in Building Hope Today Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA.; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022 Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, and Host of YouTube Channel, “The Interview Room” Dr. Monte Miller – Director, Forensic DNA Experts LLC; Specialist in Sexual Assaults and Murder, and Former Forensic Scientist for Texas Dept. of Public Safety State Crime Lab Dr. Michelle Dupre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

'Mountain Dew Man' convicted of retired couple's murder. DUI driver literally uses his head to evade cops. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Derek Rosa is not your typical 13-year-old boy: He is on the honor roll with neighbors saying he is exceedingly nice and the model son. Irena Garcia, 39, just gave birth to a baby girl. So it was shocking when the teen called 911, telling the dispatcher that he snuck into the room where his mom and the baby were sleeping and stabbed his mother dead. As the operator talks to Rosa, he tells her he took pictures of the murder and sent them to a "friend." He also says he then deleted the photos. When pressed for the friend's name, Rosa says it is just somebody he knows online. During his call with 911, Rosa said he had a gun he planned to use to kill himself but decided not to. Derek Rosa was taken into custody and transported to a juvenile detention center. He was then moved to Jackson Memorial Hospital after he threatened to harm himself. Rosa was initially charged with second-degree murder, but a Miami-Dade grand jury found enough probable cause to indict the teen as an adult and up the charge to first-degree murder. Joining Nancy Grace today: Jason Oshins - Criminal & Civil Attorney Dr. James Garbarino - Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Cornell University and Loyola University Chicago (specialized in studying what causes violence in children); Author of, “Listening to Killers: Lessons Learned from My 20 Years as a Psychological Expert Witness in Murder Cases” Master Sergeant Ron Livingston - Ron Livingston - Sergeant at Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (30+ years in law enforcement) Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Caitlyn Becker - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jonathan Willette is brutally murdered, his headless body discovered under mysterious circumstances and a chemical haze. The case is rife with complex family dynamics and an ever-changing narrative from the accused. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic complexities of identifying a headless victim, the psychology behind such gruesome acts, and the role of familial dynamics in criminal investigations. Morgan lends his expertise on death investigation, discussing everything from chemical smells at crime scenes to the increasing trend of decapitation cases. Together, they offer a comprehensive and chilling look into a murder case that defies easy explanation. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the stage by discussing the complexities of death investigation. He introduces the episode's focus on the perplexing case of Jonathan Willette. 00:01:00 — The unique and complicated relationship dynamics in Jonathan Willette's case are revealed by Morgan. He describes how these complexities add another layer to the already gruesome murder. 00:02:00 — Dave Mack chimes in with his perspective, likening the case to a horror movie titled "Headless in Las Vegas." He discusses the emotional toll of discovering a loved one in such a state. 00:03:40 — Morgan uses the term "familial dynamic" to express his confusion over the complex family relationships in this case. He questions how these dynamics could have played into the crime. 00:04:00 — A haunting image is painted by Morgan as he describes the moment the victim's mother discovered her son's headless body. 00:05:20 — Mack outlines the complicated relationship between the victim and his son, adding another layer of complexity to the case. 00:07:53 — Insurance could be a motive, suggests Morgan. He also alludes to a sinister confession made by the perpetrator during police questioning. 00:09:10 — A lighter moment occurs as Dave Mack recounts a humorous story from years ago. He describes a terrifying experience involving a seemingly breathing corpse. 00:11:04 — What's the protocol for a decapitated body? Mack inquires, leading Morgan to explain the crucial role of the medical examiner in such cases and elaborates on his role in crime scene investigations, particularly in cases involving severe body mutilation. 00:15:01 — The gruesome topic of decapitation in murder cases is discussed by both hosts. They ponder the mindset of the perpetrator and the circumstances under which it can happen. 00:18:42 — Mack questions the lack of a blood trail and the presence of a chemical smell at the crime scene, adding another layer of mystery. 00:19:30 — Morgan shares his experience with dangerous chemical combinations in morgues, highlighting the risks involved. 00:22:09 — Cleaning products at the crime scene? Morgan speculates on an attempt to clean up and what evidence might remain. 00:23:00 — The challenges of finding a disposed head in a garbage bin are explored by Morgan. He discusses the logistical difficulties involved. 00:23:40 — The accused admits to hitting Willette in the head, leading to a discussion on her changing narrative. 00:24:00 — Mack points out inconsistencies in the accused's story, questioning the credibility of her statements. 00:24:40 — The physical appearance of the body and a missing meat cleaver raise more questions for Mack. 00:25:20 — Morgan delves into the mechanics of using a meat cleaver for decapitation, discussing the likely injuries and marks left on the body. 00:27:00 — The episode wraps up with Morgan talking about potential tool marks that could help identify the weapon used. At the time of recording, authorities have only an accused person.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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After getting ice cream with friends, Rachel DelTondo is gunned down in a hail of bullets in the parent's driveway. It was Mother's Day 2018. Now, for the first time, a prime suspect has been named. Sheldon Jeter, one of DelTondo's students and former lover, is that suspect. Beaver County District Attorney David Lozier says however, more evidence is needed to place Jeter at the murder location. Jeter is already sentenced to life in prison for the death of a friend, Tyric Pugh. He is appealing. Jeter maintains his innocence in Rachel DelTondo's murder. Tipline: 800-4-PA-TIPS (800-472-8477) Joining Nancy Grace today: Ashley Willcott - Judge and Trial Attorney, Anchor on Court TV Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic John Paul - Journalist, Founder of Beaver Countian Learn more about your ad choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.