Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Decatur, Alabama, police get a call for a welfare check on 36-year-old Cindy Crow. WAFF reports a family member believed Crow to be eight months pregnant. Crow, however, looked like she had lost a lot of weight, overnight. The family member, a sister, told police that she had seen Crow leaving her home, with a large, white trash bag in the back floorboard of her car. In the home, bloody feminine products were found in the trash. Police contacted Crow at work, where she agreed to go to the hospital to prove that she was not pregnant. While waiting for the test results, Crow gave an officer consent to search her cell phone, where he found the app LIFE360. This allowed the detective to trace the route Cindy Crow took when she left her home with the white trash bag. Using information garnered from the LIFE360 app, detectives found a location with a dumpster, Wally World Mini-Mart. Investigators searched inside the dumpster and found the trash bag containing the deceased body of a newborn baby girl. It was stuffed in the bottom of the dumpster under several other large bags of trash. Cindy Crow was arrested and so far is charged with abuse of a corpse. Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta, GA; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women; Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted “My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022” Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Michelle Fingerman - Vice President of National Programs for Childhelp, Childhelp.org and childhelphotline.org; LinkedIn: @michellefingerman Nicole Partin - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter; Twitter: @nicolepartin See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man points a gun at children visiting the wrong address. Service-seeker turned down yet again when he mentions his horse. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Robert and Georgette Sturmfels, spending the winter holiday season in their cozy Florida home, are blissfully unaware that their lives are about to be irrevocably shattered. Tragically, their lives abruptly end on December 20, 1989, as they become the victims of a chilling double homicide. In this episode, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the horrifying details of the Sturmfels' murders. They meticulously unravel the case, from the suspect's choice of a 22-caliber rifle to the unsettling finality of the crime scene. The conversation goes beyond the murder itself to examine its broader implications, such as the weapon's surprising lethality, common misconceptions about gunshot wounds, and the cold-blooded nature of the perpetrator. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan starts off with a touching reflection on Christmas. From stress to joy, his sentiments evolve over time, especially as he becomes a grandfather. At 00:01:20 — The tragic case of Robert and Georgette Sturmfels is introduced by Joe Scott. Their murder in Florida sets the stage for a disconcerting episode. 00:04:20 — Diving deeper, Joseph Scott Morgan paints a vivid picture of the Sturmfels' murder. He describes the horrific scene in disquieting detail. 00:05:20 — Louis Gaskin, the suspect, is discussed by Dave Mack. He outlines Gaskin's ruthlessness and the premeditation behind the crime. 00:06:20 — Weaponry is the topic as Joe Scott and Dave debate the lethal nature of a 22-caliber rifle used in the crime. 00:08:00 — A lesson in firearms ensues as Joseph Scott Morgan distinguishes between long arms and pistols, explaining why the latter is more easily concealed. 00:10:20 — Unveiling the crime, Dave shares how Louis Gaskin meticulously planned, and executed the murders of the Sturmfels couple. 00:12:20 — Debunking Hollywood myths, Joseph Scott Morgan explains that gunshot wounds are not just dramatic effects; victims often realize they've been shot and experience pain. 00:13:00 — Gaskin's own words add horror to the narrative as Dave recounts the unsettling sounds Mrs. Sturmfels made during her final moments. 00:14:20 — Joe Scott dives into the world of forensics, explaining how a gunshot through glass has implications on bullet behavior. He describes how the bullet’s trajectory and energy are affected upon impact. 00:17:04 — Joseph Scott Morgan elaborates on snipers and the adjustments they have to make due to the influence of gravity on bullets, especially when glass is involved. 00:20:36 — The episode’s atmosphere becomes tenser as Morgan and Mack discuss Gaskin's execution of Mr. Sturmfels and his chilling confession. 00:21:00 — The term "death wheeze" is introduced as Joe Scott explains the physiological impact of a gunshot wound to the lungs. 00:24:01 — Dave summarizes Gaskin's crime spree; from killing to covering the bodies with blankets and burglary. 00:24:35 — Gaskin, dressed in all black and carrying a 22 rifle, drives to the home of Joseph and Mary Rector, where he shoots at them after waking them up. 00:26:20 — Dave Mack discusses the gunshot wounds and how the Rectors managed to escape. 00:28:20 — The hosts ponder Gaskin's motivations, diving into the psychology behind these appalling acts. 00:33:40 — The episode concludes with Joseph Scott Morgan revealing the final fate of the killer, a grim but just end to a twisted journey.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Madison Russo told the world she was battling pancreatic cancer and had a tumor “the size of a football." It was all a lie. After Russo bilked donors out of more than $37,000 through her posts on social media, some eagle-eyed medical professionals began questioning her diagnosis. The anonymous witnesses noticed inaccuracies in the photos she posted of herself and contacted authorities. Russo is arrested and charged with first-degree theft. Now, under a plea deal, Russo gets a suspended sentence and stays out of jail Joining Nancy Grace today: Kirby Clements- Attorney at Law, Author: "How to Keep Your A$$ Out of Jail;" Instagram: @kirbyclementsjr, Twitter: @kirbyesq Dr. Shari Schwartz- Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;" Twitter: @TrialDoc Greg Smith- Special Deputy Sheriff, Johnson County Sheriff's Office (Kansas), Executive Director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation Stefani Condon-Oldreive - Founder and Director of Craig’s Cause Pancreatic Cancer Society; Craig was her father, who passed away shortly after his diagnosis 16 years ago. https://twitter.com/CraigsCauseCan https://www.instagram.com/craigscausecan/ https://www.facebook.com/CraigsCauseCan/ Dr. Tim Gallagher- Medical Examiner, State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Kayla Brantley- Reporter, DailyMail.com; Twitter: @_KaylaBrantley, Instagram: @KaylaBrantley See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

David and Cindy Rainey rent a cottage for the weekend along a canal in Suwanee, Florida, 140 miles from home. The couple's two adult sons, Bailey and Jack, plus a family friend, join them for the weekend getaway. On Saturday, David walks away from the home and doesn’t come back. Cindy and David Rainey reportedly got into an argument. David left, walking out of the house. He left his glasses, wallet, and cellphone behind in their rental home. The next morning, David still hadn’t returned. Cindy calls the police. An extensive search ensues and continues throughout the day without success. It wasn't until early evening that same day, that deputies found David Rainey’s body submerged in the canal in the backyard of the rental house. He had been stabbed multiple times in the chest and was still in the same clothes he was last seen wearing. Police say the body was placed in the water after death. David Rainey's death was ruled a homicide. It’s been more than two years since David Rainey’s body was found submerged in water and stabbed to death. Police have no suspects in the murder, but that doesn’t mean they’ve not made an arrest. The Dixie County Sheriff's office says three of David Rainey’s family members have been arrested. David Rainey's wife and two sons are all charged with tampering with evidence, apparently related to the dumping of Rainey’s body in the canal after he was stabbed. Investigators with the Dixie County Sheriff’s Office traveled to Bunnell, Florida, and arrested Cindy Rainey and Bailey Rainey, then traveled to Orlando, Florida, and arrested Jack Rainey. Cindy Rainey, Bailey Rainey, and Jack Rainey are being held without bond. In Florida, tampering with evidence is counted as a third-degree felony, with penalties of up to 5 years in prison, or 5 years of probation and a $5,000 fine. Police still have not released a suspect or a possible motive for Rainey's murder. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kelly Hyman – Trial & Civil Attorney (Miami, FL), TV Legal Analyst, & Author: “Build Back Better;” Podcast Host: “Once Upon a Crime In Hollywood;” Twitter: @kellyhyman1/TikTok: @kelly.hyman/Instagram: @Kelly_Hyman1 Caryn L. Stark - Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Pat Diaz - Former Miami Dade Police Homicide Detective, Private Investigator in South Florida Dr. Jan Gorniak - Board-certified Forensic Pathologist, Former Medical Examiner for Clark County (Las Vegas, NV) Jen Smith - Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com; Twitter: @jen_e_smith See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man behind bars for burning woman alive. Couple uses the names of deceased babies to create new identities. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Four potential new witnesses have come forward with information connecting Rex Heuermann to the Long Island Serial Killer murders One of the witnesses worked in a bank during the day and drove a taxicab at night. She signed an affidavit that she picked up Shannan Gilbert from a Sayville motel, but when she got the order from dispatch, was told the person she was picking up was so afraid she was hiding in a locked bathroom. The rider would only come out if the taxi driver flashes her lights and beeps the horn. The cab driver says she showed up to the motel, flashed her lights, and beeped her horn but nobody came out of the motel. However, she did see "a giant man' fitting the description of Rex Heuermann come out of the motel. When the girl finally comes out, she is crying. The driver believes this person was Shannan Gilbert Another witness claims Heuermann and his wife were swingers, and Karen Vergata took part in a party at Heuermann's home. A third potential witness contacted attorney John Ray and says she remembers being picked up by Rex Heuermann. She says he threatened her with a gun. The fourth potential new witness claims she was a sex worker for many years, including the time the killings occurred. She said Heuermann was a serial user of sex workers, and he would sometimes have them come to his house, with his wife upstairs, Joining Nancy Grace Today: John Ray - Attorney for the family of Shannan Gilbert Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask” Robin Dreeke – Behavior Expert & Retired FBI Special Agent / Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program; Author: “Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agents Manual for Behavior Prediction;” Twitter: @rdreeke Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Mary Murphy – Investigative Reporter, PIX11 News, New York City (WPIX TV); Recipient of 30 New York Emmy awards; Facebook: Mary Murphy Mystery, Instagram: @marymurphypix, Twitter: @MurphyPIX See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman poisons man for his fake inheritance. Stolen forklift leads incredibly slow chase. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Arrested in Washington State, Shanna Gardner has finally been extradited back to Florida, where she faces charges in a murder-for-hire plot to kill her ex-husband. Gardner together with her current husband, Mario Fernandez Saldana are accused of hiring a hitman to gun down Microsoft executive and father of four, Jared Bridegan. Bridegan was killed in front of his small daughter after being lured out of his car by debris in the road, preventing him from making his way home. The next court date for Gardner and Fernandez-Saldana is scheduled for December 1. Beside Gardner for the hearing will be attorney Jose Baez, known for defending "Tot Mom" Casey Anthony in the death of her daughter who was found not guilty of murder. Gardner and her current husband will be tried together, possibly with separate juries. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kathleen Murphy – North Carolina Family Attorney; Twitter: @RalDivorceLaw Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA. (voted ‘My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice’ of 2023) Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, and Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital Chris McDonough – Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, and Host of YouTube Channel, “The Interview Room” Dr. Todd M. Barr - Board-certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist, Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner Ray Caputo – Investigative Reporter (Orlando, FL); Professor, Bethune-Cookman University See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Teen randomly attacks for video. This banana tries to split! For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nancy Grace and a panel of experts investigate the latest developments in the Bryan Kohberger murder trial. This episode features exclusive comments from Cara Northington, Xana Kernodle's mother, who defends her daughter from vicious rumors and theories surrounding the case. The defense motion calling for the dismissal of the Grand Jury indictment against the accused killer was denied by a judge. Cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom. FBI Agents have entered the King Road home again, hoping to gain more information as the prosecution prepares for trial. A 3D model of the home is being built. Experts say this will help explain to the jury where evidence was found and why the placement of that evidence is important. Latah County District Judge John Judge has also ordered the prosecution to provide more DNA information that has been requested by Kohberger’s defense team, setting a December 1st deadline. Joining Nancy Grace today : Jean Fisher – Former Chief Deputy prosecutor in Ada County, Boise, ID; Former Special Crimes Chief Deputy (specializing in murder, crimes against children, and sexual assault); Director of Curriculum in Building Hope Today Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA.; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022 Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, and Host of YouTube Channel, “The Interview Room” Dr. Monte Miller – Director, Forensic DNA Experts LLC; Specialist in Sexual Assaults and Murder, and Former Forensic Scientist for Texas Dept. of Public Safety State Crime Lab Dr. Michelle Dupre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

'Mountain Dew Man' convicted of retired couple's murder. DUI driver literally uses his head to evade cops. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Derek Rosa is not your typical 13-year-old boy: He is on the honor roll with neighbors saying he is exceedingly nice and the model son. Irena Garcia, 39, just gave birth to a baby girl. So it was shocking when the teen called 911, telling the dispatcher that he snuck into the room where his mom and the baby were sleeping and stabbed his mother dead. As the operator talks to Rosa, he tells her he took pictures of the murder and sent them to a "friend." He also says he then deleted the photos. When pressed for the friend's name, Rosa says it is just somebody he knows online. During his call with 911, Rosa said he had a gun he planned to use to kill himself but decided not to. Derek Rosa was taken into custody and transported to a juvenile detention center. He was then moved to Jackson Memorial Hospital after he threatened to harm himself. Rosa was initially charged with second-degree murder, but a Miami-Dade grand jury found enough probable cause to indict the teen as an adult and up the charge to first-degree murder. Joining Nancy Grace today: Jason Oshins - Criminal & Civil Attorney Dr. James Garbarino - Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Cornell University and Loyola University Chicago (specialized in studying what causes violence in children); Author of, “Listening to Killers: Lessons Learned from My 20 Years as a Psychological Expert Witness in Murder Cases” Master Sergeant Ron Livingston - Ron Livingston - Sergeant at Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (30+ years in law enforcement) Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Caitlyn Becker - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jonathan Willette is brutally murdered, his headless body discovered under mysterious circumstances and a chemical haze. The case is rife with complex family dynamics and an ever-changing narrative from the accused. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic complexities of identifying a headless victim, the psychology behind such gruesome acts, and the role of familial dynamics in criminal investigations. Morgan lends his expertise on death investigation, discussing everything from chemical smells at crime scenes to the increasing trend of decapitation cases. Together, they offer a comprehensive and chilling look into a murder case that defies easy explanation. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:00 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the stage by discussing the complexities of death investigation. He introduces the episode's focus on the perplexing case of Jonathan Willette. 00:01:00 — The unique and complicated relationship dynamics in Jonathan Willette's case are revealed by Morgan. He describes how these complexities add another layer to the already gruesome murder. 00:02:00 — Dave Mack chimes in with his perspective, likening the case to a horror movie titled "Headless in Las Vegas." He discusses the emotional toll of discovering a loved one in such a state. 00:03:40 — Morgan uses the term "familial dynamic" to express his confusion over the complex family relationships in this case. He questions how these dynamics could have played into the crime. 00:04:00 — A haunting image is painted by Morgan as he describes the moment the victim's mother discovered her son's headless body. 00:05:20 — Mack outlines the complicated relationship between the victim and his son, adding another layer of complexity to the case. 00:07:53 — Insurance could be a motive, suggests Morgan. He also alludes to a sinister confession made by the perpetrator during police questioning. 00:09:10 — A lighter moment occurs as Dave Mack recounts a humorous story from years ago. He describes a terrifying experience involving a seemingly breathing corpse. 00:11:04 — What's the protocol for a decapitated body? Mack inquires, leading Morgan to explain the crucial role of the medical examiner in such cases and elaborates on his role in crime scene investigations, particularly in cases involving severe body mutilation. 00:15:01 — The gruesome topic of decapitation in murder cases is discussed by both hosts. They ponder the mindset of the perpetrator and the circumstances under which it can happen. 00:18:42 — Mack questions the lack of a blood trail and the presence of a chemical smell at the crime scene, adding another layer of mystery. 00:19:30 — Morgan shares his experience with dangerous chemical combinations in morgues, highlighting the risks involved. 00:22:09 — Cleaning products at the crime scene? Morgan speculates on an attempt to clean up and what evidence might remain. 00:23:00 — The challenges of finding a disposed head in a garbage bin are explored by Morgan. He discusses the logistical difficulties involved. 00:23:40 — The accused admits to hitting Willette in the head, leading to a discussion on her changing narrative. 00:24:00 — Mack points out inconsistencies in the accused's story, questioning the credibility of her statements. 00:24:40 — The physical appearance of the body and a missing meat cleaver raise more questions for Mack. 00:25:20 — Morgan delves into the mechanics of using a meat cleaver for decapitation, discussing the likely injuries and marks left on the body. 00:27:00 — The episode wraps up with Morgan talking about potential tool marks that could help identify the weapon used. At the time of recording, authorities have only an accused person.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wealthy man rolled the dice and lost on this 'hot date.' Driver nearly has a heart attack over hefty ticket fine. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After getting ice cream with friends, Rachel DelTondo is gunned down in a hail of bullets in the parent's driveway. It was Mother's Day 2018. Now, for the first time, a prime suspect has been named. Sheldon Jeter, one of DelTondo's students and former lover, is that suspect. Beaver County District Attorney David Lozier says however, more evidence is needed to place Jeter at the murder location. Jeter is already sentenced to life in prison for the death of a friend, Tyric Pugh. He is appealing. Jeter maintains his innocence in Rachel DelTondo's murder. Tipline: 800-4-PA-TIPS (800-472-8477) Joining Nancy Grace today: Ashley Willcott - Judge and Trial Attorney, Anchor on Court TV Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic John Paul - Journalist, Founder of Beaver Countian Learn more about your ad choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Joran van der Sloot is no longer on US soil. The 36-year-old Dutch national was released from the Shelby County Jail Monday just after midnight, escorted by U.S. Marshals to the Birmingham International Airport. The plane that was supposed to fly van der Sloot back to Peru experienced some type of mechanical issue and take off was delayed by 24 hours. However, the man who confessed to killing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is now in Peru and officially back in the custody of Peruvian officials, to serve out the rest of his sentence for the murder of Stephanie Flores, and his concurrent sentence for extorting money from the Holloway family. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Gary Davidson – Partner, Diaz Reus International Law Firm & Alliance; Twitter: @DRT_Alliance, Instagram: diazreustarg Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive Sheryl McCollum– Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Former Georgia State Director with Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD); Host of new podcast: “Zone 7;” Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic TJ Ward - Private Investigator, TJ Ward & Associates Carol Robinson - Senior Reporter for AL.com; Twitter: RobinsonCarol See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hit-and-run killer drives with body on car for 2 miles. Driver lucky to be alive after bullet knocks his glasses off. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After opening statements, witness testimony began in Kaitlyn Armstrong's murder trial. Mo Wilson's brother, Matt Wilson, answered questions about Wilson's professional cycling and what type of person she was. Wilson testified that Mo Wilson and Colin Strickland were not having a romantic relationship when she was killed. The woman that Mo Wilson stayed with in Austin and whose apartment in which she was killed, Caitlin Cash, said the same thing when asked about the Wilson / Strickland relationship. Caitlin Cash also testified on how she found Mo Wilson on the floor of her apartment bathroom covered in blood. The state also played the call Cash made to 911. Cash cried while the recording of her call was played in court. During ADA Ricky Jones' opening statement, he said Armstrong knew that Wilson was in town because the day before the shooting she looked Wilson up four times on a phone app called Strava that showed where Wilson planned to race and gave the address of the house where Wilson was staying. Jones also pointed out that Armstrong had used Colin Strickland's login information on her cell phone and looked up pictures of Mo Wilson. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Alan Bennett – Former Assistant District Attorney, Partner at Gunter, Bennett, and Anthes Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); Twitter: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic Tony Plohetski - Investigative Reporter, Austin American-Statesman and KVUE; Twitter: @tplohetski See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man stabs 'girlfriend' and her husband when he learns she's married. Funeral home worker can't get a client's 'personal item' off his mind. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A jury has been set and opening arguments will be presented today in the murder trial of Kaitlyn Armstrong. The yoga instructor is accused of killing professional cyclist Moriah "Mo" Wilson. Wilson was in Austin to tackle the “Gravel Locos” race in Hico. As luck would have it, Wilson has friends in the area, so instead of booking a hotel, bunks down with her friend. The friend already has plans for the evening, but that’s OK. Wilson has plans of her own. She tells her friend that she’s meeting up with a guy she dated briefly, to go swimming, grab a meal, and catch up. Wilson's friend was also Kaitlyn Armstrong's boyfriend. During a brief period when Armstrong and Colin Strickland were separated, he and Wilson dated. It made Armstrong angry, to the point that she confronted Wilson, telling her not to contact Strickland. When Mo Wilson’s friend returns home from her dinner plans, she finds Wilson unresponsive inside the home. There’s blood everywhere and her friend is in the bathroom, lodged between the toilet and the wall. 911 is called. Police arrived to find Wilson had been shot multiple times, with a 9mm weapon, and it doesn’t appear the shooting was random. As the Austin Police Department investigates, they reach out to neighbors, asking for surveillance video. A neighbor’s camera, pointed at the driveway of the home where Wilson was staying, caught a Black Jeep Grand Cherokee driving past the house just one minute after Wilson went inside. In the meantime, police reach out to Colin Strickland, who agrees to an interview at his home. When the police arrived, they see a Black Jeep Grand Cherokee in the driveway... the same one seen in the surveillance video. It belongs to Strickland’s girlfriend, Kaitlyn Armstrong. Police begin to look at Kaitlyn Armstrong as a suspect. An anonymous caller tells police Armstrong said she wanted to kill Wilson and even bought a gun. On May 12, Kaitlin Armstrong was brought in for questioning but APD wasn’t able to get probable cause until May 17. When Armstrong spoke with homicide detectives, she couldn’t explain why her SUV was in the area the night Mo Wilson was murdered. Police release Armstrong. When officers try to talk to Armstrong again, she is nowhere to be found. Three days later, a video is released of Armstrong in Austin's airport. Investigators say she flew from Austin to Houston and then on to New York. Surveillance footage shows Kaitlin Armstrong flying into New York's La Guardia airport on May 14. On May 18, the day after a murder warrant was issued for Armstrong, someone dropped her off at New Jersey's Newark airport, but there’s no record of her taking a flight. US Marshalls tracked Armstrong to Costa Rica. She had used a family member's passport to get there. She had dyed her hair and had plastic surgery to change her appearance. After a 43-day manhunt, Kaitlyn Armstrong is taken into custody. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Alan Bennett – Former Assistant District Attorney, Partner at Gunter, Bennett, and Anthes, gbafirm.com Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); Twitter: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic Tony Plohetski - Investigative Reporter, Austin American-Statesman and KVUE; Twitter: @tplohetski See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman poisoned by her poison control doctor husband. The 'steaks' are high in this chase. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's shortly after 9 a.m. on Sunday Morning: Kerri McDermott answers her door, finding her neighbor's children asking for help. They can't find Dad and Mom is crying in her bedroom. McDermott calls 911. Police find Breanne Pennington lying in her bed with a gunshot wound to the face. Three spent shell casings are near her body, but Aaron Pennington is gone. Investigators executed a search warrant for the Pennington home, as well as Aaron Pennington's cell phone. It was what was found on Aaron Pennington's cell phone that led a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest on murder. According to court documents, investigators found a note from Saturday evening, the night before his wife's body was found. The note said, "Don't say anything. Be quite [sic] If she wakes up just say you're getting nasal spray. Get on side of bed - very close proximity on bed. Put hole in her head." Pennington has yet to be found. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kelsey McKay, J.D.- Former Prosecutor/Victims’ Rights Attorney, Founder of McKay Training & Consulting and Respond Against Violence (non-profit); IG& FB: Respond Against Violence Dr. Charles Heller – Clinical and Forensic Psychologist specializing in Domestic Violence, Chief Forensic Consultant, Rockland County (New York) Forensic Mental Health Unit, Forensic Psychologist, Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences Cpl. David R. Thomas - Senior Law Enforcement Consultant, Intimate Partner Violence Expert Dawn Wilcox B.S.N., R.N.- Femicide Expert, Researcher, Educator and Activist; Executive Director at Women Count USA: Femicide Accountability Project; FB, IG, & Twitter: @womencountusa Leslie Morgan Steiner - Advocate and survivor, Author: “Crazy Love”- NY Times Bestseller; Twitter & IG: @lesliebooks “Turtleman” Chris Adams - Swamp Survival Expert; Facebook: Wiregrass Ecological & Cultural Project/ TikTok: @GAturtleman Rachel Louise Snyder - Journalist and Professor at American University; Author: “No Visible Bruises: What We Don’t Know About Domestic Violence Can Kill Us" and New Memoir (out now): “Women We Buried, Women We Burned;" Professor at American University; Twitter @ IG: rlswrites See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man shoots Florida pastor's son dead. If you had a dime for every robbery you hear about... For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

An 11-year-old girl’s brother thinks his sister is leaving for school, but it's 5:30 in the morning. Then the boy realizes that it's Sunday. He calls his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home and calls the Wayne Police Department. The mom tells police this is not the first time the girl has gone missing. A missing person's report was filed in June, but the 11-year-old returned 90 minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up with a man named Darius, whom, she had been talking to on the online game platform Roblox. The girl was grounded after the incident, and access to the online platforms was taken away, but as North Jersey.com reports, the mother now thinks the girl may have used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with 27-year-old Darius Matylewich. When he was contacted by the police, Matylewich denied knowing the girl's whereabouts. Finally, Matylewich admitted to picking up the girl and driving her back across the state line to his home in Bear, Delaware, 135 miles away from Wayne, New Jersey. Darius Matylewich is charged with first-degree kidnapping and third-degree endangering the welfare of a child. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Fran Longwell – Former Deputy State’s Attorney, Former Assistant State’s Attorney (specializing in child abuse, sex offenses and homicides) Dr. Shari Schwartz– Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Twitter: @TrialDoc; Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology” Barry Golden - Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations Titania Jordan – Chief Parent Officer, Bark Parental Controls; Author: “Parenting In A Tech World;” Instagram/Twitter: @TitaniaJordan William Slater – Cybersecurity Expert and Chief Information Security Officer at Slater Technologies. Inc. Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker at Lead Stories; Twitter: @swimmie2009 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man kidnaps 11-year-old girl he met on Roblox. Security finds a different kind of 'bomb' on board an international flight. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Keith Palumbo and David Rossillo Jr. meet a grim fate in a double homicide; their bodies are discovered concealed inside a crypt within the eerie, abandoned Mount Moriah Cemetery. Unraveling the complexities of this chilling case, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the labyrinthine investigation that led authorities to the hidden burial site, thanks to a tip about Keith's disappearance and the involvement of a woman with close ties to both the Warlocks Motorcycle Club in Philadelphia and the cemetery. The episode delves into the forensic intricacies—from gunshot residue on decomposing bodies to the challenges of DNA matching—and uncovers the lengths criminals will go to hide their heinous acts. It also touches on the human stories behind the headlines, offering a gripping journey through the dark corners of crime and justice. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan discusses his comfort around the dead and introduces the topic of a double homicide case involving an old, abandoned burial ground. 00:02:14 — Joe Scott talks about Mount Moriah, a cemetery named after a biblical location. 00:03:00 — Dave Mack introduces the victims, Keith Palumbo, a musician and tattoo artist, and David Rossillo Jr., who had no known connections to the Warlocks Motorcycle Club in Philadelphia. 00:04:00 — Discussion of how Keith's disappearance was reported and the significant tip that led police to start their search at the cemetery. 00:07:36 — Highlighting the logistical difficulties of the investigation, Joe Scott explains the challenges of accessing the burial site due to its depth and lack of a ladder or staircase. 00:09:00 — Dave mentions that the police were expecting to find Keith Palumbo but discovered David Rossillo Jr.'s body as well. Morgan discusses the state of Rossillo’s remains. 00:11:00 — The hosts speculate about the crypt being used as a common dumping ground by organized crime groups, raising questions about the extent of criminal activity. 00:14:48 — Discussion about the significance of the carpet found at the crime scene, and speculation on its potential connection to the body. 00:15:00 — Morgan begins to explain what forensic evidence can be obtained from a decomposing body, particularly when a gunshot wound to the head is involved. 00:17:00 — An explanation of how bruises can still be detected on a decomposing body. 00:21:31 — The process of transferring remains from a crypt to a medical examiner's wagon, with added emphasis on the importance of maintaining the integrity of the remains. 00:25:22 — The challenges the police faced in identifying the bodies, particularly David Rossillo Jr., who had not been reported missing, and the role of informants in criminal investigations, particularly within tightly-knit organizations like motorcycle clubs. 00:32:53 — Joe Scott Morgan delves into the difficulties of determining a cause of death with skeletal remains, especially if the skull is fractured or parts are missing. He elaborates on how animals can complicate an investigation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Shannon O'Connor throws wild parties for her teenage sons at their Los Gatos, California mansion. O'Connor pressures teens as young as 13 to binge drink, smoke marijuana, and perform sex acts with each other, "consensual" or not, while she watches. O'Connor keeps the parties a secret from other parents and her own husband, even continuing them at a new address in Idaho. O'Connor now awaits trial on 39 felony charges, including child endangerment and sexual battery. In court documents, prosecutors reveal O’Connor’s Google searches included, “Good books with young sex,” “hot 16 (year) old teenage girls,” and “prettiest 16 year old girl.” Joining Nancy Grace Today: Sam Dordulian - Sexual Assault Attorney, Former Los Angeles County Sex Crimes Prosecutor, and Founder of Dordulian Law Group; Twitter: @DordulianLaw Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta, Ga.; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women; Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022 Michael Bock - Former NYPD sergeant detective squad supervisor of special victims, owner of ‘First Rate Investigations ‘that specializes in adult survivors and child survivor civil cases;' Twitter:@F_R_Consulting Anna Sonoda - Child Grooming Expert, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, and Author: “Duck Duck Groom: Understanding How a Child Becomes a Target” Drew Penner - Reporter at the Los Gatan Newspaper; Twitter: @losgatan See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kouri Richins' book on how to deal with grief isn't the only thing she's written. There's a six-page handwritten letter that's sparking debate, "the walk the dog letter." Prosecutors say that in the letter, Richins is teaching people how to lie about what happened the night her husband died. Her defense team says the letter was privileged information and wants the prosecutors to be sanctioned. It's called the "walk the dog letter," since that phrase is written in big letters on the top. In it, Richins makes the claim that her husband Eric was addicted to drugs, that he would make frequent trips to Mexico to get pills, and that his death was an accidental overdose. The letter was written to Richins' mother, and it reportedly tells her to instruct Richins' brother to make the connection to Mexico and drugs when he talks about the case. The question the court has to answer is, does a defendant attempting to help coach someone on what they should say on the witness stand, rise to the level of witness tampering? Prosecutors say it does rise to the level of witness tampering because there is no connection between Kouri Richins' brother and drugs from Mexico. The prosecution believes, again, that Richins is instructing people to lie. That is why the prosecution is asking the judge to disallow contact between Richins and her mother. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Donna Kelly– Former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and Attorney for Crime Victims Legal Clinic; Helped form the Utah County Sex Crimes Task Force Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive Justin Boardman – Retired Detective, West Valley City Police Department Special Victim’s Unit, Boardman Training & Consulting Dr. William Morrone – Toxicologist, Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County Michigan; Author: “American Narcan: Naloxone & Heroin-Fentanyl Associated Mortality” Elaine Aradillas - Senior Crime Reporter at the Messenger; Twitter: @elaineja, Instagram: @the_elaineja See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman held hostage by man she was seeing. Man tries to rob a bank... from behind a locked door. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Myrtle Brown returns from a group trip to Aruba, celebrates her 73rd birthday, then goes missing. Family members get alarmed after not being able to contact the mom of 2. Then it's discovered son Sergio Brown, a former NFL player, is also missing. The mother and son were last seen together by a neighbor. Then Sergio Brown is seen on Ring doorbell camera footage taking out the trash and lighting a bonfire. Items are missing from the Brown home, including an iPad, credit cards, a debit card, and Myrtle Brown's phone. Myrtle Brown’s body is found alongside a creek near the home, approximately 100 to 150 feet away from the back door. Her body is wrapped in a sheet. The medical examiner ruled Myrtle's death a homicide, citing multiple assault-related injuries..... blunt force trauma. Sergio Brown begins to post on Instagram posts, but the posts are strange. In one post Sergio said that reports of his mother's death were "fake news" claiming she was on vacation. He also claimed he was kidnapped by the FBI. Sergio Brown is arrested for his mother's death and extradited. In his possession are his mother's iPad and credit cards. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Irv Miller – Criminal Defense Attorney, The Miller Firm; Legal Analyst: CBS2 Chicago WBBM-TV and Legal Technical Advisor to “THE GOOD WIFE” and “THE GOOD FIGHT”- CBS productions Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive Paul Duffy - Former Deputy/Senior Inspector for the US Marshals, Senior Consultant with Group Nine Risk Consultants, and Contractor with the United States Marshals Service Dr. Eric Eason - Board Certified Forensic Pathologist, Consultant; Instagram: @eric_a_eason, Facebook: Eric August Eason, & LinkedIn: Eric Eason, MD Forest McFarland - News Reporter for The U.S. Sun; Twitter: forrestmcfarla5 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man kills woman defending her grandchildren, injures two more. Tourist's "crafting supplies" confiscated by customs. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Alaska Airlines pilot Joseph David Emerson was catching a ride from Everett Washington, to San Francisco, California. The off-duty pilot was seated in the cockpit jump seat of Horizon Air Flight 2059, having casual conversation with the pilot and co-pilot. Without warning, Emerson attempted to shut off the engine, midflight. Emerson reportedly tried "to grab and pull two red fire handles" that would have activated the plane's emergency fire suppression system and cut off fuel to its engines. Emerson was subdued and the flight diverted to Portland Oregon. Eighty-four people, crew and passengers were aboard the plane. Joining Nancy Grace today: Ed Booth - Board Certified Aviation Attorney and partner at Marks Gray Law Firm, Fmr. Prosecutor, Airline Transport Rated Pilot, profession at Jacksonville University School of Aviation Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology" Captain Ross Sagun - Fmr. commercial airline pilot and air safety representative for over 40 years, investigation, Aviation expert and consultant for Sagun Aviation Consulting, www.sagunaviationconsulting.com Mary Schiavo - Former Inspector General of the United States Department of Transportation, Aviation attorney and CNN Aviation analyst, Author: “Flying Blind, Flying Safe”, Maryschiavo.com Matthias Gafni - Investigative reporter with the San Francisco Chronicle, www.sfchronicle.com, Twitter: @mgafni See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man savagely kills woman he mistook for his ex-girlfriend. The 'Pro-Life Spiderman' arrested again in Chicago. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hours after a judge awards sole custody of four children to their mother and the father is forced to leave the home, the judge is gunned down in a targeted attack. Judge Andrew Wilkinson suffered multiple gun shot wounds in his own driveway. Police have named Pedro Argote as the suspect, who abandoned his car around ten miles from Wilkerson's home. Argote has now eluded police for six days, and investigators say they believe Argote has left the immediate area. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Jessica Garth - Chief, Special Victims & Family Violence Unit, State's Attorney's Office, Prince George's County, Maryland Caryn L. Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Irv Brandt - Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” available on Amazon, Also "FLYING SOLO: Top of the World" Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Shannon Henry- President & Founder of SASS Go, (Surviving Assault Standing Strong) a nonprofit on a mission to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence against women and girls globally, Case Consultant, Adjunct Professor at the University of South Carolina in the Department of Education, www.sassgo.org, @sassgoglobal FB, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok Mike Hadsell- President and Founder of Peace River K9 Search and Rescue, PRSAR.org Dr. Kendall Crowns- Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County, Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Christopher Gavin-(Rhode Island) Breaking news reporter for The Messenger, www.TheMessenger.com. TWITTER: @chris_m_gavin See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hardee's employees use inmates to launder customers' stolen money. Nurse narrowly doges spork attack. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nancy Grace is joined by defense attorney, Daniel Horowitz, and his friend Gabriel Gliksman. Gliksman's mother, 81, lives in Israel and has experienced first-hand the horrors inflicted there. Gabriel shares his mother's account of what happened when Hamas terrorists looted and burned her Kibbutz, killing over 100 and injuring many more. Gabriel's mother barely survived the night, and several of Gabriel's close friends have lost loved ones. Thousands of Palestinians are caught in the middle of the conflict, prevented from leaving the Gaza Strip by Hamas militants. Join us to hear Gabriel's story and his plea for humanitarian aid. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The investigation into the deaths linked to Rex Heuermann continues. Three cities are now re-investigating unsolved deaths in their area looking for connections to Heuerman. Other evidence found by investigators includes, computer searches showing disturbing titles of bondage, torture and child pornography. The accused killer also drives a Chevy Avalanche described by a witness. He's caught on surveillance video buying more minutes for a burner phone. Investigators have determined a hair found on one of the victims is a DNA match to Heuermann's family. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Anne Bremner - Trial lawyer, Legal Analyst, Author: “Justice in the Age of Judgment”, www.annebremner.com, Twitter& Facebook: @annembremner, Instagram: @Anne_Bremner Caryn L. Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Joseph Giacalone - fmr. NYPD Sergeant SDS and cold case investigator, Author: “The Cold Case Handbook” and “The Criminal Investigative Function: A Guide for New Investigators 4th Edition”, Twitter: @JoeGiacalone, www.josephGiacalone.com Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", Twitter: @JoScottForensic Nicole Partin - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Twitter: @nicolepartin See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Social worker has sexual relationship with teen client. Man threatened after refusing to buy lunch. For more crime and justice breaking news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lovetta Armstead and her young daughter Jazzmen face a nightmarish reality: they are murdered in cold blood by Gary Green within the walls of their own home, the very space that should be their sanctuary. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve into the complexities of this chilling case, from Lovetta's thwarted plans to escape her malevolent partner to the unsettling psychology driving Green's actions. The episode uncovers letters that reveal Lovetta's intentions to leave her husband and the twisted psychology behind Green's devastating actions. With commentary on sharp and incised wounds, duct tape restraints, and a myriad of forensic evidence, this episode serves as a haunting yet informative dive into the harsh realities that forensic professionals confront in their quest for justice. Subscribe to Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan : Apple Podcasts Spotify iHeart Time codes: 00:00:20 — Joseph Scott Morgan sets the tone with personal anecdotes about death and introduces the spine-chilling family murder case. 00:03:00 — Dave Mack provides further context on the Armstead family and the malevolent Gary Green. 00:05:00 — Mack shares Lovetta Armstead’s gut-wrenching letters that reveal her desire to escape from Green; one particular letter outlines his calculated intentions to annihilate his family. 00:08:23 — Sharp force injuries are explained by Morgan, introducing listeners to the intricacies of homicidal drowning. 00:09:16 — Discussion of the brevity of Gary Green and Lovetta Armstead's marriage and the circumstances that led up to the fatal event. 00:10:24 — Morgan elaborates on the calculated tactics employed by Green, emphasizing his control over the fatal situation. 00:13:24 — The sequence of the murders is discussed by Morgan, suggesting the chilling possibility that Jazzmen was made to witness her mother’s murder. 00:15:42 — Incised wounds versus stab wounds are clarified, enlightening listeners on how these affect the body differently. 00:16:20 — The aftermath of a stabbing is graphically detailed, spotlighting the ensuing blood and damage. 00:18:40 — Jazzmen’s autopsy details are revealed, including the heartbreaking signs that she struggled until her last breath. 00:21:00 — The complexities of determining fatal stab wounds. 00:24:36 — Joe Scott discusses the frightful reality of internal bleeding, especially in cases involving multiple stab wounds. 00:27:01 — Causes of death like hypoxia and signs of drowning are detailed by Morgan, rounding out the episode’s comprehensive forensic analysis. 00:30:39 — Joseph Scott Morgan comments on the chilling aftermath and Gary Green’s actions post-crime, wrapping up the episode with a look at the ultimate consequences. 00:32:20 — A recount of the dreadful discovery made by the surviving siblings. 00:32:40 — The timeline of the crime’s aftermath, including Gary Green’s eventual death sentence.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Barbara Maier Gustern was shoved from behind outside her Chelsea residence. Friends found the well-known and beloved voice coach in the apartment lobby covered in blood. A bicyclist spotted the injured 87-year-old on the street and brought her in. Gustern hit her head during the attack and was taken to a hospital for medical treatment. She ultimately passed away from her injuries after being placed on life support. Police released security footage of the incident, which showed Lauren Pazienza reportedly shoving Gustern before running away. Police, also say the suspect returned to watch, as the victim was carried away by ambulance. Lauren Pazienza was facing manslaughter charges. Initially, she pleaded not guilty but has now changed her plea to guilty to first-degree manslaughter. Justice Felicia Mennin sentenced Pazienza to 8 years, but then tacked on another 6 months, blasting Pazienza for her “inability to take responsibility for her actions.” Pazienza had given a probation officer conflicting stories about her involvement in events surrounding the attack, claiming that she simply “ran into” the victim. Joining Nancy Grace Today: AJ Maier Gustern - Grandson of Victim James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA.; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital; Voted My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022 Dr. Michael Baden– Former Chief Medical Examiner of New York City and past Co-Director of the New York State Police Medico-Legal Investigations Unit- Author: “American Autopsy” Tony DeStefano – Special Writer, Newsday; Author: “The Deadly Dob: Vito Genovese” and “Mafia Boss;” Twitter: @TonyNewsDay, Instagram: @Tony.Destefano.Newsday See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nancy Grace previews the new Fox Nation docuseries Secrets of the Asylum. Abandoned for decades, America’s most notorious asylum is being renovated. But the new owners are being tormented by troubled souls still lurking inside. Now, a paranormal investigator and a psychic medium must unlock Eloise Asylum’s horrifying history. Don't miss Secrets Of The Asylum, streaming now exclusively on Fox Nation. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Attorneys representing two of the accused in LSU student Madison Brook rape are asking a court to give them access to Brooks' phone data for the 72 hours preceding the alleged attack. They claim the defense is entitled to find out if someone other than the defendants caused Brooks' injuries. The intent is to identify whether Brooks could have had sex with someone other than the defendants in the hours before the alleged rape. LSU student Madison Brooks was killed after being hit by a car. Brooks was standing in the road at the time. Police say Brooks left a Tigerland bar with four men and is then allegedly raped in the car. When the inebriated Brooks cannot give the men her address, she is dropped off around 3 a.m. in a random neighborhood. That is when Brooks was hit by the car. Kaivon Washington, 18, and an unidentified 17-year-old minor are charged with third-degree rape. Everette Lee, 28, and Casen Carver, 18, were charged with principal to third-degree rape, which means they were there when the incident occurred but did not take part in it. Joining Nancy Grace Today:- Jarrett Ferentino - Homicide Prosecutor in Pennsylvania; Host: “True Crime Boss” Podcast; Facebook & Instagram: Jarrett Ferentino Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Bill Hernandez - California Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Detective Dr. Michelle Dupre – Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & “Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide”, Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department Rachel D. Fischer – Registered Nurse; Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE); Expert Witness, Private Investigator, and Author: “Taking Back the Pen;” Forensic Nursing Consulting and Education LLC Toby Wolson – Forensic Consultant Specializing in DNA, Serology, and Bloodstain Pattern Analysis Kiran Chawla - Emmy & Murrow Award-winning Investigative Reporter: "Unfiltered with Kiran;" Facebook & YouTube: Unfiltered with Kiran/ Twitter: @Kiran_Chawla23, TikTok: @unfilteredkiran See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Woman walks into police station with a gun. Dog-walker lunges on elderly neighbor. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

More details coming out from Joran van der Sloot's courthouse admission. In the Dutch national's interview with his attorney, van der Sloot admitted that he killed Natalee Holloway after she rejected his sexual advances. After kicking her in the face, van der Sloot used a cinderblock to bash her skull. He said he then dragged her body to the waterline. When he was about knees deep in the waves, he pushed her off into the sea. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Dale Carson– High-profile Criminal Defense Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent & Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County); Author: “Arrest-Proof Yourself; Twitter: @DaleCarsonLaw Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Sheryl McCollum– Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Former Georgia State Director with Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD); Host of new podcast: “Zone 7;” Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic Ashe Short - Senior Editor for The Daily Wire; Twitter @AsheSchow See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Plea change for woman who shoved voice teacher to her death. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

An Alabama judge accepted Joran van der Sloot's plea deal, meaning today, after almost two decades, the Dutch national admitted that he killed Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. In his proffer, a document in which the defendant offers information about a crime, he reportedly told the court that Holloway rejected his sexual advances, so he hit her, kicked her in the face, then bludgeoned her dead. He then put her body in the ocean. The confession was part of van der Sloot's plea deal on extortion charges. He was accused of trying to sell information to Beth Holloway on the location of her daughter's body for $250,000. With his guilty plea, van der Sloot was sentenced to 20 years on the federal charges, which will run concurrently with his current sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru. Joining Nancy Grace today: Ginger Strickland - Beth Holloway friend Sheryl McCollum- Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, ColdCaseCrimes.org, Host of new podcast: Zone 7, Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", Twitter: @JoScottForensic See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Man stabs wife to death while her mother sleeps. 'Vampire' straw banned at airports. For more crime and justice news go to crimeonline.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Joran van der Sloot's Alabama court appearance Wednesday could give Natalee Holloway's family information they have been seeking since 2005. The main suspect in Holloway's disappearance is expected to plead guilty to charges of extorting and defrauding the teen’s mother. It is not known what specific charges in the extortion case he will plead guilty to. A condition of the plea deal requires the Dutch national to reveal how Holloway died and how her body was disposed of. Sentencing will also take place. Van der Sloot must finish his time in a Peruvian jail, before returning to serve out his U.S sentence. Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt – Attorney – The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; 27-year Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. Officer; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. John Delatorre – Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre Sheryl McCollum– Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Former Georgia State Director with Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD); Host of new podcast: “Zone 7;” Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Irv Brandt – Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: “SOLO SHOT: CURSE OF THE BLUE STONE” – AVAILABLE ON AMAZON IN JANUARY; ALSO “FLYING SOLO: Top of the World;” Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter: @JoScottForensic Carol Robinson - Senior Reporter for AL.com; Twitter: RobinsonCarol See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thomas Randolph describes to police how a handyman he knows, broke into his house, killing Randolph's wife Sharon as the couple returned home from an evening out. He says he came in from the garage, after his wife entered the home, to find her dead. He saw a man wearing a ski mask in the entryway. Randolph shot the man five times, killing him. Prosecutors told a different story. They alleged Randolph hired handyman Michael Miller to kill Sharon Randolph, so that husband Thomas, could get more than $300,000 in insurance money. This is not the first time that one of Randolph's wives has died in mysterious circumstances. Randolph has been married five times before. Three of those women died. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Bernarda Villalona – NY Criminal Defense Attorney & Former Prosecutor, Villalona Law, PLLC.: @BernardaVillalona (FaceBook, Instagram, LinkdIn, TikTok, Threads); Twitter: @VillalonaLaw Dr. Chloe Carmichael – Clinical Psychologist, Women’s Health Magazine Advisory Board;’ Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety;’ Twitter: @DrChloe Robert Crispin – Private Investigator, Former Federal Task Force Officer for United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division; Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator, “Crispin Special Investigations;" Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations, Inc. Dr. Jan Gorniak - Board Certified Forensic Pathologist, Fmr. Medical examiner for Clark County, NV Jen Smith -Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com; Twitter: @jen_e_smith See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.