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To celebrate spring and baseball season, Cathy and Todd discuss Major League, the 1989 baseball comedy that wasn’t supposed to be a huge hit but ended up sticking around for decades. They get into the cast including Tom Berenger, Charlie Sheen, Wesley Snipes, and Rene Russo and the behind-the-scenes details, like filming in Milwaukee instead of Cleveland and Sheen having legit pitching skills. They also talk about the tone of the movie, how it got away with being a little rougher and more irreverent than expected, and why it became such a cable TV regular. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Dirty Dancing and how a low-budget film about a summer romance became a cultural phenomenon and why it still resonates. They explore how it’s not just a love story between Johnny and Baby, but also a deeper look at class tension, autonomy, and a girl finding her voice. They dig into behind-the-scenes tension, surprising casting what-ifs, and the film’s groundbreaking abortion storyline set in pre-Roe America, along with the chilling way privilege and disposability show up through characters like Robbie. It’s nostalgia, cultural analysis, and an important look at a movie that’s always been about more than just dancing. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Billy Elliot (2000), the British film set during the 1984–85 miners’ strike about a working-class boy who secretly pursues ballet while his community expects him to box and follow the rigid rules of masculinity. Using the film as a lens, they also discuss the documentaryLouis Theroux: Inside the Manosphere, exploring how ideas about what boys “should” be, tough, unemotional, traditionally masculine, continue to shape conversations about gender today. They discuss the cultural impact of Billy Elliot, from its eventual transformation into the hit Elton John stage musical to the way the story challenges assumptions about masculinity through Billy’s passion for dance and his friendship with Michael. They also reflect on the powerful Swan Lake finale, where Billy’s final leap onstage becomes a symbol of freedom, an image of a boy stepping beyond the expectations of his community to become fully himself. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Dance month continues as Cathy and Todd discuss the 1983 film Flashdance, directed by Adrian Lyne and written by Tom Hedley and Joe Eszterhas, a movie that helped define the early-1980s MTV-style of filmmaking with its fast cuts, dance scenes, and unforgettable soundtrack. Starring Jennifer Beals as Alex, a young steel mill welder who dances at night while dreaming of becoming a professional dancer, the film blends working-class ambition and romance. They discuss why the movie became such a cultural moment, from its Oscar-winning song “Flashdance… What a Feeling” by Irene Cara to its iconic fashion and dance scenes, while also focusing on some of the film’s contradictions around female ambition, performance, and power. Last week was Footloose, next week, Billy Elliott! Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Jump back! Cathy and Todd discuss Footloose to kick off Dance Month! Directed by Herbert Ross and released in 1984, Footloose made Kevin Bacon a star and helped define the MTV-era teen movie. But beneath the music this $8 million film (that grossed over $80 million worldwide) is really about grief, fear, father-daughter tension, and a town trying to outrun tragedy. Cathy and Todd discuss the culture clash between Ren and Reverend Moore (John Lithgow), Ariel’s push for independence, and the wisdom of Vi Moore (Dianne Wiest). They talk hot takes and WTF moments, the real Oklahoma town that inspired the ban, and why the final prom isn’t just a dance, it’s a community loosening its grip on fear. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss The Wedding Singer and why this Adam Sandler–Drew Barrymore rom-com lived fully inside the 80’s, the music, the clothes, and all that emotional earnestness. They talk about the chemistry that made it work and the unexpectedly sharp stuff underneath, and what happens when genuinely open-hearted people fall in love with each other. They get into Steve Buscemi’s awesome chaotic presence and why the soundtrack sold so many copies. The Wedding Singer helped reframe the ’80s as emotionally formative and it’s remained one of the most loved rom-coms of its era. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

In this episode of Zen Pop Parenting, Cathy and Todd dive into the psychological thriller Misery and explore what makes it so deeply unsettling decades later. Through the intense dynamic between Paul Sheldon and Annie Wilkes, they unpack themes of control, obsession, entitlement, and the dangerous illusion of “love” without boundaries. Using the film as a lens, they examine how fear, power, and identity shape relationships—and what this story reveals about emotional captivity in both subtle and extreme forms. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Categories Best 80’s RomanceBest 90’s RomanceBest Romantic ComedyBest Dramatic RomanceBest Forbidden LoveBest TV RomanceWorst TV RomanceBest Romance, Right Now (2026) Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Best in Show to honor Catherine O’Hara and dive into America’s Mayflower Kennel Club Dog Show in Philadelphia, where nothing “big” happens and that is exactly the joke. They examine Christopher Guest’s mockumentary style, made without a traditional script, in which an ensemble performs identity inside a highly rule-bound world. They move through their typical categories and share plenty of their favorite clips as they explore how the film, released in 2000 before reality TV normalized confessionals, predicted The Office and Parks and Recreation. Cathy and Todd connect the movie to modern life, where we curate versions of ourselves at school, work, in parenting spaces, and on social media, and reflect on what this means for girls who are trained to perform likability, calm, and competence. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Todd and Cathy discuss The Sure Thing (1985), Rob Reiner’s early, quietly subversive road-trip rom-com starring John Cusack as Gib Lloyd, a smart, restless college guy chasing a guaranteed hookup that slowly reveals itself to be hollow, alongside Daphne Zuniga’s Alison Bradbury, a sharp, principled counterpoint who refuses to play the “cool girl.” Set in a pre-internet, pre-cell-phone America, the film captures mid-80s college culture while exploring the tension between impulse and integrity, desire and discernment, with Anthony Edwards’ best friend serving as a cautionary caricature of male entitlement and Nicollette Sheridan’s “sure thing” functioning more as fantasy than human. They share why Reiner softened the original raunchy premise into something more meaningful and human, and how the movie quietly suggests that growth, conversation, and shared values are the real turn-ons. Todd and Cathy also dive into their regular categories, plus their five favorite John Cusack movies and their five favorite two-person road-trip films. Say Anything Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Why Heated Rivalry Matters, digging into why this hockey romance has become such a cultural lightning rod and emotional touchstone. They talk about Rachel Reid’s novel and the TV adaptation, but mostly they focus on what’s really happening alongside the sex scenes: two very different expressions of masculinity learning how to coexist without hierarchy, punishment, or performance. The conversation moves from the slow-burn relationship between Shane and Ilya to why so many women, queer viewers, and romance fans trust this story and feel oddly comforted by it. They explore how the show models emotional safety, real repair, and power that doesn’t turn into harm, and why that feels rare right now. It’s a mix of pop culture, psychology, and cultural reckoning about intimacy, vulnerability, and what people are longing for in relationships today. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss A Few Good Men, a courtroom drama set inside the military justice system about power, loyalty, and what happens when following orders starts to feel wrong. They go through their usual categories, talk about why the movie still works all these years later, and give props to Jo Galloway who was dismissed for being “too much,” yet was right all along. The share why this film hit so hard for people who grew up learning the rules and then had to decide when to question them. PLUS they spend the first 10 minutes discussing the Chicago Bears – Bear Down! Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

We decided to re-run an old “Pop Culturing” Podcast in honor of the tragic death of Rob Reiner and his wife Michele. We will be creating 4 new Zen Pop Episodes based off of 4 other Rob Reiner films for the month of January. When Harry Met Sally… is a 1989 American romantic comedy film written by Nora Ephron and directed by Rob Reiner. It stars Billy Crystal as Harry and Meg Ryan as Sally. The story follows the title characters from the time they meet in Chicago just before sharing a cross-country drive, through twelve years of chance encounters in New York City. The film raises the question “Can men and women ever just be friends?” and advances many ideas about relationships that became household concepts, such as “high-maintenance” and the “transitional person”. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Love Actually as part of their “Christmas movies that might not actually be Christmas movies” month. Released in November 2003 and written and directed by Richard Curtis, the film uses its London-at-Christmas setting, stacked ensemble cast, and interwoven stories of romantic, familial, awkward, and heartbreaking love to reflect a long-held worldview: messy humans and basic decency still matter. Cathy and Todd go through their categories, debate the storylines, and unpack why its message that “love is all around” became an annual ritual for so many—and what lands differently when we watch it now.. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd talk about The Family Stone and why it works so well as “a Christmas movie that isn’t really a Christmas movie”. They explore how it’s a story about family systems, grief, belonging, and what happens when someone new steps into a familiar and often fragile emotional ecosystem. They get into the best family movies, the most uncomfortable scenes, each character’s role, birth order patterns, sibling energy, and the tension Meredith brings into the house. They also look at why this messy and tender story is still such a holiday staple twenty years later. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Trading Places for “Christmas movies that might not be Christmas movies” month. John Landis’ 1983 comedy-satire dropped the same year as Return of the Jedi, Flashdance, WarGames, and Risky Business, yet still became one of the biggest hits of the year. With Dan Aykroyd, a very young Eddie Murphy (only 21!), Jamie Lee Curtis, and a plot that dives deep into class and privilege, they discuss what the movie was saying about wealth, meritocracy, and who gets access, along with the complicated, messy, and very 80s parts that would never make it past a studio today. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Die Hard, the 1988 action classic that redefined the genre, covering everything from its Christmas Eve plot and iconic Nakatomi Plaza setting to the film’s surprisingly heartfelt themes of family, reconciliation, and love. They discuss why so many (including Cathy) consider it a Christmas movie, break down the characters and casting surprises, highlight the film’s legacy and genre-shaping influence, and share the behind-the-scenes stories that made Bruce Willis’s hero an unexpected cultural icon. From Hans Gruber’s unforgettable villainy to the film’s “Die Hard in a ____” effect across decades of action films, it’s a nostalgic and big-hearted look at why this movie endures and why so many of us return to it every holiday season. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss the making of Toy Story, the 1995 film that changed animation forever. They explore the film’s massive cultural impact and the introduction of emotionally complex heroes like Woody and Buzz, who grew up alongside their audience. They also look at the creative forces behind the movie, including John Lasseter’s rise and fall and the way Pixar rebuilt its culture in the wake of industry reckonings. They dive into the random facts, hidden jokes, emotional details, and psychological layers that make the movie endlessly rewatchable, from Randy Newman’s music to Sid’s misunderstood chaos. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Forrest Gump,  a movie they’ve loved for years, one they even saw together when it first came out. They explore how this emotional epic serves as both parable and modern American myth, following Forrest’s innocence through some of the country’s most turbulent moments while Jenny’s life reflects a very different America marked by trauma, rebellion, and survival. They dig into the ongoing debate over whether Forrest Gump deserved to win Best Picture over Pulp Fiction and The Shawshank Redemption, and laugh about how many lines from the movie have become part of their everyday conversations. This is the third film in our Tom Hanks month – we’ve already covered Big and Cast Away, and next week we’ll wrap up with Toy Story. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd continue Tom Hanks Month with Cast Away, the 2000 classic that came out just as the world was speeding up with email, cell phones, and the dot-com boom. They talk about how this quiet, lonely movie made such an impact and why it hit so differently in an era obsessed with productivity and control. They go through their categories and favorite scenes to share what makes the movie so memorable, and then “roll in the deep” about what makes it so meaningful – from Chuck’s relationship with Wilson to his final crossroads, and what the story says about time, survival, and what it means to really be alive. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

To kick off Tom Hanks month, Cathy and Todd revisit Big, the 1988 classic that made him a star and reminded us what it means to grow up too fast. The movie blends humor, heart, and magic (and a somewhat inappropriate romance), letting us laugh at the absurdity of adult life while remembering what it felt like to be young. They talk about why Big still matters, why friendship is at the core of the story, and how Penny Marshall’s direction brought depth to a wild premise. They also discuss what the story reveals about growing up, parenting, and the pressure to “perform” adulthood. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Se7en, David Fincher’s dark and unforgettable thriller. They talk about how the movie came together from the casting of Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman to the decision to keep Kevin Spacey’s role a secret, and how Fincher’s style changed what crime movies could be. They also dig into the story’s moral questions, the infamous ending, and why Se7en still hits just as hard today as it did in 1995. They also talk about how the film shaped Fincher’s career and how the seven deadly sins still show up in our culture. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss The Haunting of Hill House and how Mike Flanagan turned a classic ghost story into an emotional story of family trauma, grief, and repair. From the houses we grew up in to the ghosts we still carry, they talk about the energy that lingers and the monsters we end up sympathizing with. They discuss why Hill House hit Gen X so deeply, how it flipped horror into therapy, made the supernatural feel like emotional realism, and showed that the scariest hauntings are simply the things our families were never willing to talk about. It’s a conversation about home, loss, and what happens when we finally stop running from our ghosts and choose to accept, forgive, and integrate our past. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Released in 2008, Twilight dropped into a perfect cultural storm with Obama’s election, iPhones taking off, emo Tumblr in full swing, and the YA craze exploding after Harry Potter. Catherine Hardwicke’s film felt raw and indie with blue-grey filters, handheld cameras, and the emotional awkwardness of being seventeen. It wasn’t polished Hollywood fantasy; it was sincere and strange, which made it real to the girls and women who saw themselves in Bella’s clumsy intensity. The story of a human girl who falls for a vampire who might kill her, mixed romance, danger, and repression in a way that was both thrilling and uncomfortable. It gave us Edward’s brooding abstinence, Jacob’s rivalry, baseball in a thunderstorm, and that unforgettable line: “Hold on tight, spider monkey.” It was about longing, isolation, and the fantasy of being truly seen, a theme that shaped a generation’s idea of love. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

When Scream hit theaters in 1996, horror was stuck in a loop of sequels and fading scares. What made Scream different was its sharp, self-aware, and deeply Gen X voice. It mocked the rules of slashers while playing by them, spoke the language of VHS rentals and MTV, and turned Ghostface into an instant icon. In this episode, we look at how Scream captured a generation’s worldview, why Millennials later made it their own, and how it reshaped horror for everything that came after. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile Summary When Scream hit theaters in 1996, horror was stuck in a loop of sequels and fading scares. What made Scream different was its sharp, self-aware, and deeply Gen X voice. It mocked the rules of slashers while playing by them, spoke the language of VHS rentals and MTV, and turned Ghostface into an instant icon. In this episode, we look at how Scream captured a generation’s worldview, why Millennials later made it their own, and how it reshaped horror for everything that came after. Horror Movies and Parenting Insights Stuey and Kathy introduce their podcast episode, “Zen Pop Parenting,” which focuses on a deeper analysis of horror movies, including Scream, as part of their “Spooky Season” series. They discuss the movie’s themes of depth, humor, and meta-commentary on horror genres, and plan to cover Twilight and The Haunting of Hill House in upcoming episodes. Stuey mentions Kathy’s book, “Restoring Our Girls,” as a potential Halloween gift. The episode aims to explore personal connections to horror while providing entertainment and reflection. Scream: A Gen X Horror Classic Stuey discussed the 1996 film Scream, explaining its plot, characters, and cultural significance. He noted that the movie was a Gen X film, featuring actors of their age group, and served as a reboot of the horror genre. Stuey also compared Scream to Halloween, highlighting how the two films represented different eras of movie-watching experiences for different generations. Movie Budget and Horror Preferences Stuey discussed the success of a movie with a $15 million budget that grossed over $170 million worldwide. He shared his personal preferences for horror movies, explaining that he can watch them but is often distracted by the presence of a boom mic holder, unlike his partner who covers her eyes. Stuey also mentioned his experience watching the Scream series, noting that he prefers anticipation over graphic violence. He played a game of “two truths and a lie” related to the Scream franchise, and they discussed how phone etiquette has changed over time. Scream’s Influence on Horror Films Stuey discussed the creation and references of the horror film Scream, including its writer Kevin Williamson’s inspiration from a documentary about Danny Rowling and the use of the Ghostface mask. He highlighted the film’s influence on caller ID usage and its references to other horror movies like Halloween, Friday the 13th, and A Nightmare on Elm Street. Stuey also mentioned that Neve Campbell was nearly typecast in horror films due to her role in Scream and The Craft. Scream Movie Trivia Discussion Stuey shared interesting trivia about the “Scream” movie, including how Matthew Lillard wasn’t supposed to audition but landed the role of Stu, and how Courtney Cox met her husband David Arquette on set. They discussed the movie’s plot, including the motive for the killings and Stu’s unique character. Stuey also pointed out some inconsistencies in the movie, such as the ease with which the killer moves the victim and the trope of a boyfriend sneaking into his girlfriend’s bedroom, which is common in 80s movies. Garage Door Safety in Movies Stuey discussed the unrealistic portrayal of garage door safety in a movie scene and criticized the 1980s-style depiction of teenagers being killed by TVs. He also analyzed the rules for surviving horror movies, as outlined by the character Randy in the film Scream, which include avoiding sex, drugs, and making promises to return. Horror Movie

Cathy and Todd revisit John Carpenter’s Halloween, the 1978 film that cost just over $300,000 to make and went on to shape the slasher genre. For Gen X kids, it was more than a scary movie, it was a cultural milestone. They talk about why the suburban setting felt so close to home, how a cheap William Shatner mask turned into Michael Myers, and why Laurie Strode became the blueprint for the “final girl.” They also point out the small details you might miss on rewatch, talk about the film’s influence on later directors, and share their favorite final girls and boogeymen from the entire horror genre. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Airplane! hit theaters in 1980 and reshaped comedy for Gen X. It was a clear break from the more earnest films of the ’70s and set the tone for how parody and absurdist humor would play out for decades. By casting serious actors like Leslie Nielsen, Lloyd Bridges & Robert Stack to deliver nonsense with total sincerity, the Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker team created a template that influenced everything from The Naked Gun and Hot Shots! to the joke-a-minute rhythm of The Simpsons, 30 Rock, and Community. It wasn’t just a hit movie; it changed the way comedy looked and sounded going forward. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile Summary Airplane” Comedy Podcast Discussion In this episode of Zen Top Parenting, hosts Todd and Kathy Adams discuss their decision to focus on the classic comedy film “Airplane” for their latest podcast, choosing it over other contemporary pop culture topics. They introduce new podcast categories, including jokes that went over their heads as children and a game called “Two Truths and One Lie” about the movie. Todd shares his “lukewarm” take on “Airplane” as the best comedy ever, reflecting on how childhood experiences shape one’s appreciation of humor. Airplane!’s Cultural Comedy Impact Ted discussed the cultural impact and production background of the 1980 comedy film “Airplane!” He highlighted its rapid-fire humor, with approximately one joke every 30 seconds, and its influence on comedy. Ted explained that the film was directed by Jim Abrams and Jerry and David Zucker, who also wrote it, and it spoofed the 1957 disaster film “Zero Hour.” He noted that the ZAZ partnership, which included Abrams, Zucker, and David Zucker, created “Airplane!” after watching and parodying commercials for “Zero Hour.” Airplane: Comedy and Cultural Impact Ted discussed the film “Airplane,” highlighting its alignment with the spoof genre and its replication of scenes from the serious film “Zero Hour.” He explained the plot, characters, and comedic elements of “Airplane,” noting its 1970s cultural references and the actors’ initial confusion about their roles due to the film’s comedic approach. Ted emphasized the importance of committed performances and writing in comedy, referencing Amy Poehler’s podcast and the film’s influence on later works like “Hot Shots.” Airplane!” Humor Reflections Ted and his friend discussed jokes and scenes from the movie “Airplane!” that went over their heads when they first watched it as children in the 1980s. They reflected on their limited understanding of certain humor and cultural references at the time, noting how the film’s jokes and stereotypes were a product of its era. They also mentioned the movie’s use of background jokes and cameos, highlighting its innovative approach to comedy. Airplane!’s Comedy Legacy Impact Ted discussed the cultural impact and influence of the movie “Airplane!” on comedy, highlighting its use of deadpan humor, parody, and rapid-fire jokes. He shared interesting facts about the movie’s production, casting, and profitability, as well as its legacy on subsequent films and TV shows. Ted emphasized how “Airplane!” inspired a generation of comedies, including “Naked Gun,” “Top Secret,” “Hot Shots,” and “30 Rock,” by blending absurd humor with serious actors. Airplane!” Comedy and Trivia Ted discussed the film “Airplane!” and its cultural impact, highlighting inappropriate content and the influence of comedy. He shared trivia about the movie, including improvisations, casting choices, and production details. Ted also mentioned a game of “Two Truths and a Lie” and corrected some misconceptions about the film’s production. He concluded by suggesting further research on Matt Damon’s involvement in “30 Rock” and airport-related content. Controversial Humor in

Jenny Han’s The Summer I Turned Pretty is rooted in Gen X pop culture, taking inspiration from 80s movies to the soundtrack choices that set the mood. In this episode, we connect Belly’s summer at Cousins Beach to the stories that shaped us, from Jane Austen to John Hughes, from Dirty Dancing to Taylor Swift. We’ll talk about the love triangles that defined movies, books, and TV, count down the best song moments ever, and dig into the easter eggs and symbolism that make this show so fun to watch. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile Summary Gen X TV Show Analysis The team discussed their upcoming podcast episode about “Gen X Literacy of the Summer,” which will focus on the TV show “PreTTY” and its cultural significance. They plan to explore themes like love triangles, music in storytelling, and Easter eggs, while avoiding spoilers for the series finale. The hosts, including Todd and Kathy, shared personal connections to the show and its characters, emphasizing its relevance for Gen X audiences and as a conversation starter with their children. They aim to provide a deep dive into the show’s cultural references and its impact on popular culture. The Summer I Turned Pretty” Adaptation The team discussed the plot and characters of a TV show based on the “The Summer I Turned Pretty” book series. They covered the main storyline involving Belly, her summer romance with the Fisher brothers, and the family dynamics between the Fisher and Conklin families. The team also explored differences between the books and TV show, including age adjustments and character relationships. They concluded by discussing the show’s adult characters and its literary influences, particularly noting its connection to Jane Austen novels. 1980s Influences in ‘The Summer I Turned Pretty The team discussed the influence of 1980s young adult literature and John Hughes movies on the TV series “The Summer I Turned Pretty.” They noted how the show borrows elements from these sources, such as love triangles and summer-themed narratives, to appeal to audiences who grew up with these stories. Todd shared his own experiences of being too scared to pursue romantic interests during his teenage years, due to fears of rejection and societal pressures. The group also discussed specific scenes in the show that seemed to be inspired by other popular media, like “Titanic” and “Gilmore Girls.” Movie Makeover Transformations and Growth The team discussed various makeover scenes in movies, focusing on characters like Belly, Sandy, and Sabrina, who undergo significant transformations. They explored how these makeovers symbolize personal growth and increased self-awareness for the characters. The group also mentioned influences from classic films like “Sabrina” and “My Fair Lady,” and referenced pop culture moments like Andy’s prom dress in “Pretty in Pink.” The conversation concluded with a brief mention of the TV miniseries “The Thorn Birds,” which was significant to one team member. The Thornbirds” Color Symbolism Analysis The team discussed the TV show “The Thornbirds,” focusing on its themes and character relationships. They explored how the show’s color symbolism, particularly the association of Conrad with red and the ocean, and Jeremiah with blue and the pool, reflects the characters’ personalities and their relationship with the protagonist, Belly. The discussion also touched on the show’s inspiration and how certain character names were chosen. Pop Culture Love Triangle Analysis The team discussed various love triangles in pop culture, including Katniss, Peeta, and Gale from The Hunger Games; Bella, Edward, and Jacob from Twilight; Joey, Pacey, and Dawson from Dawson’s Creek; Andy, Ducky, and Blaine from Pretty in Pink; Carrie, Big, and Aiden; and others like Archie, Betty, Veronica, and Jughead from Archie Comics. They also mentioned Scarlett, Ashley, and Rhett from Gone with the Wind, Elizabeth, Darcy, and Wickham

Cathy and Todd discuss Netflix’s documentary Unknown Number: The High School Catfish and how texts and constant accessibility blur the line between connection and chaos. What started as “stranger danger” in Gen X childhood has become “tech danger” in our kids’ phones—cyberbullying, rumors, and anonymous numbers lighting up at all hours. The documentary shows how quickly trust can unravel and how phones have become symbols of both intimacy and manipulation. The deeper lesson is that parenting through technology requires more than control or surveillance, it demands emotional maturity, boundaries, and the courage to talk honestly about what’s happening behind the screen. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Catfishing Documentary and Parenting Insights Todd and Sweetie discussed a new documentary called “Unknown Number: The High School Catfish,” directed by Skye Borgman, which tells the story of Lauren and Owen, a teenage couple from a small town in Michigan who were cyberbullied for 22 months. They highlighted the documentary’s relevance to Gen X parenting and its potential to spark discussions about cell phones, emotional maturity, and parenting. Todd and Sweetie also mentioned Sweetie’s book “Restoring Our Girls” and their involvement with Team Zen, offering a free subscription to their Substack newsletter for team members. Parenting in the Digital Age The discussion centered on a documentary about inappropriate text messages sent to a teenage couple in 2020, highlighting the evolving landscape of anonymous communication and its impact on children. Todd shared insights into the differences between Gen X and current parenting experiences, noting the shift from unsupervised childhood activities to heightened technological concerns. He also discussed the decline in child harm statistics despite persistent “stranger danger” fears and shared anecdotes about prank calls and ding-dong ditching, contrasting these with modern parenting practices and the role of technology in children’s lives. Tech Evolution and Parenting Concerns Todd discussed the evolution of communication technologies and their impact on parenting, particularly focusing on the shift from traditional “stranger danger” concerns to modern “tech danger” issues. He traced the development from caller ID and party lines in the 1990s to social media and DMs in the 2010s, noting how smartphones and apps like Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat have changed both children’s experiences and parental concerns about screen time and online safety. Small Town Dynamics and Technology Todd discussed the dynamics of small towns, drawing from his experience growing up in Dekalb, Illinois, and how these dynamics played a role in the documentary. He noted that in wealthier towns, more resources might be directed towards solving issues, and he observed that parents in the town featured in the documentary seemed overinvested in their children’s lives. Todd also shared his memories of early internet technology, including the excitement of getting online and the challenges of using dial-up connections, before transitioning to a discussion about the Blair Witch Project and its impact. Unraveling Threats: A Young Couple’s Story The documentary tells the story of Lauren and Owen, a young couple who were targeted by anonymous text messages in 2020, escalating to 40-50 daily threats and suicidal content. The authorities initially struggled to handle the case, with the sheriff being unhelpful and only involving the FBI after a year. The FBI liaison, Bradley, successfully traced the messages to a Verizon phone number and identified the perpetrator, though the documentary ends before revealing the answer. Cyberbullying Trauma and Misunderstanding The group discussed a documentary about a girl named Lauren who was targeted by cyberbullying, with the shocking revelation that her mother, Kendra Licari, was actually the perpetrator. They explored how Lauren’s seemingly calm reaction to the discove

Cathy and Todd talk about two 90s political favorites, Dave and The American President, and how they captured Gen X’s wishful politics. From an ordinary guy running the White House with kindness to a widowed president balancing romance and leadership, both films imagined a world where decency could still win in Washington. They explore what these stories meant in the Clinton era, why they still feel good to watch, and how their themes of authenticity, vulnerability, and optimism show up in the way Gen X parents raise their kids today. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Summary Podcast Shift and Subscription Focus Andrew and Kathy discussed their upcoming podcast episode focused on the movies “The American President” and “Dave,” exploring Gen X idealism and politics. They emphasized the podcast’s shift from Zen Parenting Radio to focus on topics that excite them, such as boy bands and hair bands, and highlighted their subscription offerings, including a newsletter and women’s circle. Andrew also mentioned his book “Restoring Our Girls” and encouraged listeners to join Team Zen for access to various resources and support groups. Political Films and Cultural Context Andrew and his colleague discussed the films Dave and The American President, comparing their casts, settings, and political backdrops. They noted that Dave, released in 1993, reflected a shift in political atmosphere after 12 years of Republican presidents, while The American President, released in 1995, depicted a more partisan and bitter Washington during Clinton’s presidency. They also touched on personal experiences, such as Andrew’s recent visit to Drake University and his research into the 1993 context, including the Waco siege and Michael Jordan’s retirement. Capra Films: Optimism and Nostalgia Andrew discussed the themes and characteristics of Capra-esque films, comparing them to the movies “Dave” and “The American President.” He explained how these films embody optimism, humor, and faith in humanity, contrasting corruption with decency. Andrew also shared personal anecdotes about renting VHS tapes and the nostalgia associated with the VCR era, including a humorous story about a movie store mix-up. Comparing Political Themed Movies Andrew and his companion discussed the movies “Dave” and “The American President,” comparing their themes, genres, and personal preferences. They shared interesting facts about the movies, such as the involvement of Michael J. Fox and Annette Bening, and the use of the Oval Office set in both films. Andrew also mentioned his past habit of watching “The American President” before speaking engagements to stay focused. They briefly touched on the political themes in the movies and the characters’ roles, with Andrew expressing admiration for Annette Bening’s portrayal in “The American President.” Exploring ‘Dave’ and Political Films The group discussed the film Dave, including its connections to real-life figures and its critical reception. They explored interesting facts about the movie, such as President Clinton’s involvement and the similarities between the film and Aaron Sorkin’s later work, The West Wing. The conversation also touched on other movies set in Washington, D.C., with each participant sharing their favorite films and quotes from Wedding Crashers. The discussion concluded with a brief mention of the film’s rating on Rotten Tomatoes and the group’s enjoyment of certain John Grisham adaptations. Dave” Movie Analysis and Budget Andrew discussed the film “Dave,” highlighting its implausible premise and requiring significant suspension of disbelief. He noted the movie’s memorable scenes, including cameos and budget-balancing antics, while questioning the logic of certain plot points. Andrew also shared interesting facts about U.S. deficits, comparing historical figures and explaining the vastness of a trillion

Cathy and Todd look at how groups like Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Boyz II Men, and One Direction shaped pop culture and redefined what young men were allowed to sing about. They created space for emotion, love, and vulnerability on stage, but always within a carefully controlled, marketable image. From Lou Pearlman’s factory-style boyband empire to Simon Cowell’s reality TV machine, they explore the rise, the nostalgia, and why boy bands are both cringe and classic at the same time, with Cathy offering deeper reflections from a longtime fan’s perspective. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Todd and Kathy discussed their upcoming podcast episode on boy bands, which will focus on their cultural impact and personal favorites. They promoted their Zen Pop Parenting podcast and related offerings, including a book, newsletter, and virtual community. Todd shared a personal story about his daughter’s experience with sorority rush at Alabama, and they briefly discussed a documentary on boy bands. They also considered whether to bleep an F-bomb in their podcast and reflected on their evolving perceptions of boy bands. Evolution of Boy Bands Todd discussed the evolution of boy bands, tracing their history from the 1950s to the 1980s. He highlighted influential bands like the Beatles, Jackson 5, and New Edition, noting how these groups laid the groundwork for later boy bands. Todd also mentioned Menudo and New Kids on the Block, discussing their formation and popularity. He emphasized that boy bands have often been seen as a vehicle for popularity and commercial success, and he reflected on how his own musical tastes have evolved over time. Boy Band Era Nostalgia Todd and his companion discussed various boy bands, focusing on NKOTB, Boyz II Men, and the Backstreet Boys. They explored the history, members, and impact of these bands, with Todd sharing interesting facts about their origins and the role of Lou Perlman in their formation. They considered creating a podcast dedicated to the Backstreet Boys, given the depth of material. The conversation highlighted the cultural significance of boy bands in the 1990s and their enduring influence. Boy Band Marketing Strategies Todd discussed the contrasting approaches of Lou Perlman and Simon Cowell in creating and marketing boy bands. Perlman focused on blending individual talents into cohesive teams, while Cowell emphasized highlighting individual members to appeal to fans. They explored the cultural impact of boy bands, particularly on young girls, and the evolving dynamics between bands like the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. Todd also touched on the appeal of boy bands for both fans and performers, and the role of marketing in shaping public perception. Boy Bands and Pop Culture Todd and the other participant discussed various boy bands and their impact on pop culture. They talked about 98 Degrees, One Direction, and the Jonas Brothers, sharing personal experiences and memories. Todd mentioned attending a Backstreet Boys concert and how the band’s music helped her during a difficult time. They also discussed the lyrics and production of popular songs, including “I Want It That Way” by the Backstreet Boys. Todd shared information about Max Martin, a prominent songwriter and producer, and his work with various artists. The conversation concluded with a discussion about Brian Lattrell’s vocal issues and the challenges the Backstreet Boys faced as a result. Boy Bands: Manufacturing and Struggles The discussion focused on the history and dynamics of boy bands, particularly the Backstreet Boys, with Todd sharing insights about their personal struggles and transformations. Todd highlighted how boy bands like the Backstreet Boys were created as manufactured entities to appeal to teenage audiences, while also discussing the challenges faced by band members, including addiction and issues with authenticity. The conversation touched on the cultural impact of boy bands, their role in challenging traditional masculinity norms, and the exploitation faced by child stars. Todd

Cathy and Todd explore how 1980s glam metal, later dubbed “hairbands” in the ’90s, fused hypersexual, alpha-male posturing with makeup, teased hair, and flamboyant style, creating a theatrical masculinity that rose with MTV and collapsed with the arrival of grunge. From Def Leppard to Poison, these bands borrowed from femininity while reinforcing traditional masculinity, leading to a theatrical version of toughness built for MTV’s visual era. They discuss the rise, peak, and fall of the genre, its shift from rebellion to redundancy, and how it reflected and reshaped cultural ideas about gender, authenticity, and performance. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Summary Hair Bands and Gen X Culture Todd and Kathy discussed the evolution of hair bands and their impact on Gen X culture. They clarified the distinction between heavy metal and hair bands, explaining that hair bands emerged in the early 1980s with bands like Quiet Riot and Def Leppard. Todd shared his research findings, including the origins of the term “hair band” and the influence of David Bowie on the genre. They also announced upcoming changes to their virtual community and podcast, including the addition of a Zen Parenting Radio podcast. Evolution of 1980s Hair Metal Todd discussed the evolution of hair metal bands in the 1980s, highlighting key albums and artists like Van Halen, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and Poison. He noted that Bon Jovi transformed their style after the hair metal era, while bands like Def Leppard and Poison maintained popularity. Todd also argued that Guns N’ Roses, with their deeper musical talent, served as a bridge or catalyst in the transition from hair metal to grunge, though he acknowledged the appeal of lighter, fun songs from the era. Rock Music Evolution and Subgenres Todd discussed the evolution of rock music, particularly focusing on the transition from 1980s hair bands to different metal subgenres. He explained how bands like Van Halen and Whitesnake evolved their sound to become more mainstream, while other bands like Metallica and Slayer embraced thrash metal. Todd also shared his own categorization of rock music, distinguishing between heavy metal, hair band glam metal, and hard rock. The conversation touched on how different musical styles reflect societal changes and performative masculinity. Gender-Bending in Music History Todd and his partner discussed the evolution of masculinity in music, particularly focusing on the 1980s hair metal era and its subsequent shift to grunge in the early 1990s. They explored how bands like Van Halen and Motley Crue embraced exaggerated masculinity while incorporating feminine elements like makeup. Todd then highlighted ten notable gender-bending artists throughout history, including Harry Styles, Janelle Monae, Lady Gaga, Marilyn Manson, Annie Lennox, Freddie Mercury, Boy George, Grace Jones, Prince, and David Bowie. They discussed how these artists challenged traditional gender norms through their fashion, presentation, and music. Rock Music Influences and Experiences Todd and Sweetie shared personal stories about their musical influences and experiences, particularly focusing on their introduction to rock music in the 1980s. Todd recalled his love for Van Halen in fifth grade, while Sweetie shared her early exposure to alternative music through her sister and brother-in-law. They discussed how different people and experiences shaped their musical tastes over time, with Todd highlighting significant moments like listening to “Round and Round” in seventh grade and his unsuccessful attempt to attend a Def Leppard concert in high school. The conversation concluded with Todd recounting how he finally saw Def Leppard perform at a concert in Tinley Park with his roommates, despite initially being unable to attend due to his parents’ restrictions. Power Ballad Discussion and Debate Todd and Sweetie discussed their favorite power ballads, with Todd sharing his top 10 list that included songs by bands like Motley Crue, Def Leppar

Cathy and Todd discuss 9 to 5 and Working Girl, two movies Gen X women grew up on that shaped how we think about work, power, and what it means to succeed. We watched women push through, keep their heads down, and prove themselves in systems that were never really made for them, and we learned to do the same. We’ve told our daughters they can be anything, but we also passed down burnout, perfectionism, and the pressure to keep it all together. Now girls are asking, “Why are we working so hard for something that doesn’t even work for us?” This episode is about what these films gave us, what they left out, and how we’re rethinking success, feminism, and parenting the next generation. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Summary Podcast Planning and Technical Updates Todd and Kathy discussed technical issues related to Wi-Fi and recording devices, noting improvements in connectivity. They also talked about editing a podcast, considering the duration of opening segments and transitions between songs. Todd mentioned his leg pain and a humorous incident involving an ice pack. They prepared to record a new episode of “Zen Pop Parenting,” with Todd introducing the segment. Gen X Feminism in 1980s Films Todd and his co-host discussed the cultural impact of two iconic 1980s films, “9 to 5” and “Working Girl,” exploring how they reflected and shaped Gen X feminism. They highlighted the films’ portrayal of workplace inequality, the pressure to “have it all,” and the contrast between systemic change and individual ambition. Todd shared personal anecdotes about watching these movies with his daughters and reflecting on their messages in the context of his own life and the 2016 election. The discussion also touched on the broader cultural landscape of the 1980s, including music and fashion, and how these elements contributed to the era’s feminist energy. 1991 Hearing’s Impact on Culture Todd discussed the Anita Hill-Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination hearing in 1991, highlighting its impact on workplace harassment awareness and the “Year of the Woman” election in 1992. He noted that while Clarence Thomas was ultimately confirmed, the hearing sparked national conversations about gender, race, and power in the workplace, with parallels to more recent events involving Christine Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh. Todd also mentioned how the cultural shift influenced TV and film, citing shows like “Murphy Brown” and movies like “9 to 5” and “Thelma & Louise” as examples of changing portrayals of women in the workplace. Women’s Strength in Film Todd discussed the themes of strength and resilience in women, using examples from movies like Steel Magnolias and Working Girl. He shared interesting facts about the filming of Working Girl, including Melanie Griffith’s addiction issues and Mike Nichols’ directorial approach. Todd also highlighted Carly Simon’s achievements and the success of 9 to 5, noting its cultural impact and Dolly Parton’s role in its creation. Working Girl” Character Analysis Todd discussed the film “Working Girl,” focusing on Melanie Griffith’s transformation from a sex symbol to a leading actress and the movie’s plot twists. He highlighted the unexpected proposal scene and criticized the character development, particularly the rapid progression from an affair to a marriage proposal. Todd also compared “Working Girl” to other films with similar plot elements, such as “The Deer Hunter” and “9 to 5,” and expressed a desire to watch it as a double feature with “9 to 5.” Fantasies of Workplace Revenge Todd discussed the movie “9 to 5” and its plot, which revolves around three female office workers who fantasize about killing their boss. He shared details about the characters’ fantasies, including Judy’s desire to hunt down her boss, Dora Lee’s plan to give

Our daughters Jacey, Camryn, and Skylar join us as we explore the themes behind The Hunger Games books and movies and what they say about power, survival, and the cost of being human in an inhumane system. We talk about the Capitol’s need for control, how hope threatens oppression, and what happens when kids are forced to grow up too soon. Plus, we connect it all to parenting—what it means to show up and why sibling bonds matter when systems fail. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile

Cathy and Todd discuss Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and The Big Lebowski, two films that ask the same question in totally different ways: what if we just stopped playing the game? They set the scene with the cultural vibes of the ’80s and ’90s including achievement culture, Reaganomics, slacker disillusionment and reflect on how Ferris and The Dude each push back against pressure and performance. From parade dancing and White Russians to teen burnout and existential shrugs, the share personal stories, emotional insight, and parenting takeaways, exploring why sometimes doing “nothing” is exactly what we need. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Todd and Kathy introduce episode 826 of Zen Pop Parenting, which is their 9th episode in this series. They discuss the theme of “doing nothing” as portrayed in the movies Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and The Big Lebowski. The hosts debate which of these two films they would choose if stranded on a desert island, with Todd preferring Ferris Bueller for its personal connections and Kathy leaning towards The Big Lebowski. They warn listeners that the episode will contain explicit language due to clips from The Big Lebowski.Ferris Bueller’s Day Off AnalysisTodd and his co-host discuss the movie “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,” offering their perspectives on the characters and themes. They argue that the film is primarily about Cameron’s journey, with Jeannie’s character development also being significant, while Ferris remains unchanged. The hosts set the scene for the movie, describing it as a 1986 John Hughes film set in suburban Chicago, focusing on Ferris skipping school with his friends for a day of adventure in the city. They also discuss the cultural context of the 1980s, including Reaganomics and achievement culture, and compare the film’s box office performance to other popular movies of that year.The Big Lebowski: Cult Classic AnalysisThe discussion focuses on the movie “The Big Lebowski” (1998), starring Jeff Bridges as “the Dude.” Todd explains that the film, set in early 1990s Los Angeles, follows an unemployed bowler who gets involved in a crime plot after someone ruins his rug. The movie’s absurdist humor reflects the post-Cold War era’s cultural drift and confusion. Todd notes that the film’s structure is based on Raymond Chandler’s detective stories, and despite its cult status, it was not a box office success upon release. The main character is described as a 1960s counterculture figure who remains unchanged in the 1990s.Reflecting on Classic FilmsTodd discusses his memories of Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and The Big Lebowski. He recalls watching Ferris Bueller frequently after its release, noting its quotable lines and impact on his generation. Todd mentions performing a palm routine to a song from the movie and recognizes Sig Sig Sputnik’s music from the soundtrack. Regarding The Big Lebowski, Todd admits he came to appreciate it much later, only watching it for the first time about 20 years ago.Ferris Bueller’s Day Off DiscussionTodd and his conversation partner discuss their experiences with playing hooky and compare them to the movie “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.” They explore the feasibility of replicating Ferris’s day off in real life, considering the time it takes to drive from the suburbs to Chicago. The conversation then shifts to discussing White Russians and Todd’s habit of quoting a specific line from the movie when his daughters are sick. They reflect on the differences between how mothers and fathers typically care for sick children, acknowledging that these tendencies are learned behaviors rather than biological traits.Ferris Bueller Trivia HighlightsTodd shares various random facts about the movies “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” and “The Big Lebowski.” He mentions that John Hughes wrote “Ferris Bueller” in under a week, and that Alan Ruck, who played

Cathy and Todd discuss Stranger Things Season 1 through a cultural, emotional, and psychological lens. They explore how the show’s 80s nostalgia, supernatural mystery, and strong character dynamics reflect deeper themes of trauma, shadow work, friendship, and resilience. Set against the backdrop of 2016 (Cubs World Series Win, presidential election, and personal turning points), they unpack why the Upside Down isn’t just a scary place but a metaphor for the parts of ourselves we avoid, and how love, connection, and curiosity help us survive what feels unknowable. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Meeting summary for ZPR Podcast Recording (07/02/2025) Quick recapTodd and his co-host discussed their love for the TV show Stranger Things, exploring its themes, characters, and psychological aspects. They delved into the show’s portrayal of trauma, friendship, and personal growth, while also sharing their favorite moments and music from the series. The discussion touched on the importance of understanding and supporting children’s interests, as well as the anticipation for the upcoming fifth season of Stranger Things.SummaryStranger Things and D&D ConnectionsTodd discussed his love for Dungeons & Dragons, comparing it to the show Stranger Things, which he believes reflects his childhood. He mentioned that Stranger Things season one was nominated for 18 Emmys and won 5, and he shared interesting facts about the show’s creation and influences, including its references to various 80s movies and music. Todd also highlighted the show’s themes of friendship, family, and teamwork, and mentioned that the actors had played Dungeons & Dragons before filming began.Stranger Things Season 1 ReviewTodd and his co-host discussed their love for the first season of Stranger Things, highlighting the character of Joyce Byers and her intensity, as well as the show’s revival of 1980s and 1990s actors like Winona Ryder and Matthew Modine. They also talked about Steve Harrington’s character development and the controversial “Papa” storyline. The hosts shared their favorite scenes from the season, including the dramatic moment when Mike is willing to jump off a cliff for his friend, and the emotional reunion of the kids with Will in the hospital. They concluded by discussing the deeper themes of the show, including trauma and grief, and how it relates to their podcast’s title.Shadow Self in Stranger ThingsTodd discussed the psychological themes in Stranger Things, focusing on the upside down as a representation of the shadow self and unconscious trauma. He explained how characters like Will, Eleven, and Hopper deal with their own traumas and how facing these dark aspects can lead to personal growth. Todd also highlighted the importance of integrating the shadow self and the dangers of ignoring or repressing it. He concluded by drawing parallels to real-world issues, such as the ethical considerations in scientific experimentation, particularly in the context of AI development.ChatGPT and Stranger Things InsightsTodd discussed his interactions with ChatGPT, expressing frustration with its lack of understanding and personality, despite uploading personal information to improve its responses. He explored themes from Stranger Things, particularly focusing on the character of Eleven as a modern-day chosen one and the importance of parental trust and openness. Todd emphasized the show’s lessons for parents, including believing their children’s experiences and staying curious, while highlighting the intuitive and creative nature of children. He also humorously criticized the cluelessness of the Wheeler family in the show, drawing parallels to his own experiences.Children’s Interests and ‘Stranger ThingsTodd discussed the importance of understanding and supporting children’s interests, emphasizing that being different is a superpower and that connection heals trauma. He highlighted the significance of body language as a form of communication,

Cathy & Todd revisit the rise and fall of Milli Vanilli, one of pop music’s most infamous scandals, and discuss how their story became a powerful metaphor for imposter syndrome. In the late ’80s, image was everything—style often mattered more than substance. They take a look at what happens when performance is rewarded over honesty, and how that same pressure to “fake it” still shows up today: in parenting, work, and how we see ourselves. From cultural deception to personal doubt, this episode discusses what it means to lose your voice, find it again, and redefine success on your own terms. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile SummaryMilli Vanilli and Imposter SyndromeTodd and Cathy introduce their podcast “Zen Pop Parenting,” which explores how pop culture can help understand parenting and relationships. They discuss the topic of their current episode, “Pulling a Milli Vanilli: How Pop’s Biggest Scandal Became a Metaphor for Imposter Syndrome.” They provide background on Milli Vanilli, a German-French pop duo consisting of Rob Pilatus and Fab Morvan, and mention the documentary about them on Paramount Plus. Todd and Kathy plan to discuss the duo’s creation by producer Frank Farion, their scandal, and its relevance to imposter syndrome.Milli Vanilli: Pop Culture IconsThe discussion focused on the 1980s pop duo Milli Vanilli, their rise to fame, and their impact on music culture. Todd highlighted their stylish image, good looks, and dance moves as key factors in their popularity, while also noting that their songs were a blend of pop and R&B. The conversation then shifted to band names, with Todd and others discussing memorable and sometimes controversial names, including Toad the Wet Sprocket, Smashing Pumpkins, and Panic! at the Disco.Milli Vanilli: The Vocal ScandalThe discussion focused on the Milli Vanilli scandal, where it was revealed in 1990 that Robin and Fab, the duo’s lead singers, did not perform their own vocals, despite winning the Grammy for Best New Artist that year. The scandal unfolded during a live MTV performance when the backing track skipped, leading to one member fleeing the stage before being coerced to return. The conversation explored how the duo became scapegoats for systemic issues in the music industry, with the real singers kept anonymous while the public faced the fallout, and highlighted broader themes about authenticity in pop music that influenced the rise of grunge.Music Industry Authenticity ShiftTodd discussed the contractual issues faced by various artists, including Jojo, Prince, and TLC, highlighting the challenges they encountered due to label disputes. He also mentioned the cultural context of the late 1980s, including the AIDS crisis, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the rise of pop culture icons like Madonna and the Simpsons. Todd emphasized the shift from escapist, image-focused music to a return to authenticity in the music industry, using Milli Vanilli as a prime example of this pendulum swing.Overcoming Imposter SyndromeTodd discussed his experience with imposter syndrome, sharing that he still feels nervous when leading men’s groups despite his success in podcasting. He emphasized the difference between feeling nervous and experiencing imposter syndrome, and highlighted that many successful people, including Neil Patrick Harris, have faced similar feelings of inadequacy despite their achievements. Todd also reflected on his career journey, noting that he no longer needs to be the one with all the answers and is open to learning from others.Milli Vanilli’s Impact on Pop CultureTodd discussed the inclusion of Milli Vanilli’s music in the “Pam and Tommy” show, clarifying that it was an acted series rather than a documentary. He highlighted the use of the duo’s songs in conjunction with high-profile events like the O.J. Simpson trial and the Menendez brothers case, noting the meta aspect of using songs that were popular during these events. Todd also shared insights about the

Cathy and Todd discuss what 80’s nerd movies like Weird Science and Revenge of the Nerds taught Gen X and what those messages look like in hindsight. They break down how these films centered male fantasies, ignored consent, and portrayed women as tools for male transformation, all while positioning the “nerd” as a misunderstood hero. They discuss the cultural backdrop: Reagan-era ideals, latchkey independence, and a tech world just beginning to take shape. Then they look at how these stories shaped a generation’s view of power, relationships, and identity and how that’s showing up in parenting today. This isn’t about canceling the past. It’s about being honest about what we learned, what we missed, and how to do better now. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI SummarySummary 1980s Nerd Culture Films ImpactTodd and Cathy discuss the 1980s movies Weird Science and Revenge of the Nerds, exploring their cultural impact and the evolution of nerd culture. They highlight the films’ controversial themes and discuss the actors involved, including Robert Downey Jr.’s early role in Weird Science. The conversation aims to reflect on how these movies shaped Gen X nostalgia and influenced perceptions of nerd culture today. 1980s Nerd Culture EvolutionTodd discussed the cultural context of the 1980s, highlighting Ronald Reagan’s presidency, the Cold War, and the shift in middle-class values. He noted the rise of underdog stories and nerd culture in movies like The Karate Kid, The Goonies, and Revenge of the Nerds. Todd also mentioned the impact of MTV and the transition from boy-centric to girl-centric nerd stories in recent years, citing movies like Mean Girls, American Pie, Napoleon Dynamite, and Juno. 1980s High School Movie MemoriesTodd and Cathy discussed their high school experiences, with Todd recalling his transition from being part of the “cool crowd” in grade school to a less prominent social status in high school. They shared memories of 1980s movies like Revenge of the Nerds and Weird Science, with Todd noting that Weird Science became a favorite due to its memorable quotes and jokes. They also discussed interesting facts about the movies, such as Kelly LeBrock’s role in Weird Science and Anthony Michael Hall’s decision to pass on National Lampoon’s European Vacation to star in it. Movie Trivia and Casting InsightsTodd and Cathy discussed various trivia and facts about movies, including John Hughes’ writing process for Weird Science and casting choices that didn’t materialize. They also explored details about the Revenge of the Nerds series, such as filming locations and interesting trivia about the cast and crew. Todd shared personal anecdotes about attending a karaoke bar called Trader Todd’s, which played a role in her marriage. The conversation concluded with a brief mention of Michael J. Fox’s potential involvement in Revenge of the Nerds and an amusing fact about Curtis Armstrong’s almost-rejection for his role due to looking too clean. Weird Science: Gender Stereotypes CritiqueThe discussion focuses on problematic aspects of the movie Weird Science. Todd points out that the film is a male fantasy that objectifies women, with the main female character, Lisa, existing solely for the male protagonists’ desires. The movie ignores consent and autonomy, reinforces toxic gender norms, and portrays women as responsible for fixing men’s self-esteem. Todd also notes the lack of diversity in the film, a common issue in John Hughes movies, and draws parallels to other films with similar themes. Sexual Assault in 80s CinemaThe group discussed two movies, focusing on their portrayal of women and boundary-crossing behavior. They highlighted issues in Weird Science and Revenge of the Nerds, including objectification, hidden cameras, and lack of consent, culminating in scenes of sexual assault that were normalized in the films. The discussion raised concerns about how these movies, watched by young audiences, contribut

Cathy and Todd discuss how two iconic shows—The Brady Bunch and Modern Family—reflect changing ideas about family across generations. They look at what made The Brady Bunch groundbreaking in the late ’60s and how Modern Family pushed those boundaries further by exploring race, sexuality, parenting, and identity. They compare how each show handles conflict, humor, and the realities of blending families, whether through remarriage, adoption, or shifting roles. They share personal stories, favorite episodes, and the moments that still resonate. They also highlight what holds up, what doesn’t, and what these shows teach us about belonging, repair, and the work it takes to stay connected. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI SummaryBlended Families in TV HistoryTodd and Cathy discussed the differences between the Brady Bunch and Modern Family, focusing on their portrayals of blended families and the cultural impact of each show. They highlighted that the Brady Bunch, a 1960s-70s sitcom, depicted an idealized nuclear family structure, whereas Modern Family, a 2000s mockumentary, explored more complex emotional themes and diverse family dynamics. They also touched on the shows’ representation, with the Brady Bunch being heteronormative and all-white, and Modern Family embracing diversity in race, culture, and sexuality. Todd shared personal anecdotes about their family’s connection to both shows, including a memorable cameo video for their daughter.Brady Bunch: Cast and Spin-OffsTodd discussed various aspects of the Brady Bunch series, including its spin-offs, cast dynamics, and behind-the-scenes details. He mentioned that Robert Reed, who played Mike Brady, was a closeted gay man and had a difficult relationship with the show. Todd also covered the show’s various sequels and spin-offs, including the animated Brady Kids and the 1990s reboot. He shared some interesting facts about the cast, such as Barry Williams’ surfing scenes and Ariel Winter’s legal emancipation from her parents.Brady Bunch and Modern Family NostalgiaTodd and Cathy discussed cultural references from “The Brady Bunch” and “Modern Family,” including quotes, episodes, and characters like Cousin Oliver and Aunt Jenny. They shared their thoughts on specific moments and characters, such as Cam’s Fisbo persona and Dylan’s song in “Modern Family.” The conversation was light-hearted and focused on nostalgia and humor related to these shows.Blended Family Dynamics in TVTodd discussed the themes of blended families in the TV shows “The Brady Bunch” and “Modern Family,” focusing on how these families navigate emotional depth, adapt to change, and resolve conflicts. He emphasized the importance of humor, patience, and understanding in blended families, highlighting how the shows demonstrate that family is a construction and not solely based on biology. Todd also discussed how the characters evolve over time, showing that people can outgrow their initial roles within a family. He concluded by touching on the challenges of maintaining fairness in blended families and the need for parents to balance loyalty and inclusion for all children involved.Balancing Work and Family DynamicsTodd discussed the challenges of balancing work and family life, emphasizing the importance of communication and validation in family dynamics. He highlighted the unique experiences of different family structures and the need to acknowledge and validate each other’s feelings. Todd also compared the parenting styles and conscientiousness of the Brady Bunch and Modern Family, concluding that the Modern Family kids may be more evolved due to the show’s later release date.Comparing TV Classics: Brady Bunch vs. Modern FamilyTodd and Elise discussed and compared two classic TV shows: The Brady Bunch and Modern Family. They ranked characters from both shows and highlighted memorable episodes and guest stars. Todd expressed that while Modern Family is a better show in terms

Cathy and Todd explore the rise of 90s grunge and the tragic stories of its most iconic frontmen — Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, Scott Weiland, and others — whose music reshaped rock while exposing the industry’s deep neglect of mental health and addiction. From the breakthroughs of Nevermind and Ten to the cultural shift away from glam and pop, this show shares how Gen X’s disillusionment found its voice in grunge and what the deaths of its stars teach us about authenticity, vulnerability, and the danger of romanticizing pain. They dive into the music and movies of the era, unpacking myths like the 27 Club and the idea that great art has to come from suffering, while reflecting on how these stories can shape the way we live, connect, parent, and develop emotional intelligence in a more grounded, meaningful way. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Meeting summary for ZPR Podcast Recording (05/27/2025) Quick recapThe discussion explored the rise and impact of grunge music in the early 1990s, examining how it replaced other music genres and influenced pop culture through movies and fashion trends. The conversation delved into the tragic deaths of prominent musicians and the challenges faced by Gen X artists, including their struggles with mental health and addiction while navigating cultural shifts. The discussion concluded with reflections on the authenticity of pain in art, the role of the music industry in exploiting artists’ struggles, and the cultural impact of 1990s grunge music through personal connections and trivia.1990s Grunge and Mental HealthTodd and Kathy discuss the deaths of 1990s grunge music lead singers, focusing on the impact of mental health and addiction. They plan to explore the cultural shift of 1991, when Nirvana’s “Nevermind” album overshadowed Michael Jackson’s “Dangerous,” as a significant turning point in pop culture. The podcast aims to balance pop culture discussions with serious topics like mental health and wellness.Grunge’s Rise and Cultural ImpactThe discussion focused on the evolution of music genres, particularly the rise of grunge in the early 1990s and its impact on other music styles. Todd explained that bands like Soundgarden, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam were considered the “Big 5” grunge bands, while The Smashing Pumpkins, despite their popularity, were not classified as grunge due to their different aesthetic and goals. The group also discussed how grunge music, characterized by emotional honesty and minimalism, replaced other genres like hair metal, corporate rock, and synth pop, and how this shift was reflected in movies like “Singles” and “Reality Bites.”Grunge Music and College MemoriesTodd and his friend discussed the grunge music era, sharing memories of listening to albums like Nirvana’s “Unplugged” and Pearl Jam’s “Ten” in college. They reflected on fashion trends of the time, noting how differently students dressed compared to today. The conversation also touched on the release of several significant albums in 1991, including Guns N’ Roses’ “Use Your Illusion” and Red Hot Chili Peppers’ “Blood Sugar Sex Magik.” They briefly mentioned the death of Blind Melon’s Shannon Hoon and his impact on the band’s music.Musician Deaths and Mental HealthThe discussion focused on the tragic deaths of several prominent musicians, particularly those who died at the age of 27, including Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix, and Jim Morrison. Todd explored the reasons behind these deaths, attributing them to addiction, mental health issues, and a lack of support in the music industry during the 1990s. The conversation also touched on the beef between Kurt Cobain and Axl Rose, and the origins of the phrase “It’s better to burn out than to fade away.” Todd emphasized the need for better mental health support for artists and the importance of addressing the glamorization of early death

Cathy and Todd dive into how 80s pop culture—especially the roles played by William Zabka—shaped Gen X’s early ideas about bullying, power, and masculinity. From The Karate Kid’s Johnny Lawrence to Just One of the Guys’ Greg Tolan, Zabka’s characters weren’t just villains—they were cultural blueprints. In this episode, they explore how these archetypes trained us to recognize bullying as loud, obvious, and physical, and why that old model leaves many Gen X parents unequipped to understand the quiet, social cruelty their kids face today. They reflect on Zabka’s surprising return in Cobra Kai, the emotional growth Gen X is still working through, and how we can better support a generation that sees power and empathy very differently. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Meeting summary for ZPR Podcast Recording (05/20/2025) Quick recap The podcast episode focuses on exploring 1980s pop culture and its impact on Gen X perceptions of bullying and social dynamics, particularly through movies like The Karate Kid and discussions about actor William Zabka’s roles. The hosts share personal experiences with bullying and examine how these cultural references have evolved over time, including the success of the Cobra Kai TV series as a modern reimagining of the original story. The episode concludes with a trivia game about 80s movies and TV shows, followed by discussions about song choices and upcoming content for the podcast. Summary Podcast Planning: Zen Pop ParentingTodd prepares for recording a podcast episode, discussing technical aspects like audio fading and applause. He reviews the show’s intro, which focuses on connecting families through movies, music, and meaning. Todd also mentions incorporating clips from William Zabka and references to “The Karate Kid.” The episode appears to be part of the “Zen Pop Parenting” series, which combines Gen X pop culture with real-life reflection. Zabka’s Bully Roles in 80s CinemaThe discussion focuses on actor William Zabka and his portrayal of bullies in 1980s movies, particularly in “The Karate Kid” and “Just One of the Guys.” Todd and his co-host explore how Zabka’s characters shaped Gen X perceptions of bullying, power dynamics, and masculinity. They also touch on other 80s movies and actors, including “European Vacation” and “Back to School,” and briefly discuss the trend of female celebrities showing their breasts in films during that era. The hosts emphasize how these movies and characters, though outdated, have left a lasting impact on their generation’s understanding of social dynamics. Reflecting on Past Bullying ExperiencesTodd shares two personal stories about bullying from his past. In the first, he recalls being punched in the mouth by a classmate named Steve in high school after being a “smart ass.” In the second story, Todd admits to bullying a classmate named Jim in fourth grade, later apologizing to him as an adult, though Jim didn’t remember the incident. Todd’s colleague then shares two of her own bullying experiences from childhood, including being pressured by male friends in fourth grade and a high school incident where a girl threatened to beat her up but ultimately just wanted help with schoolwork. Revisiting the Karate Kid LegacyThe discussion covers various aspects of 1980s pop culture, focusing on The Karate Kid and its actors. Todd and his co-host share trivia about William Zabka, who played Johnny in the film, noting that he was less popular than other teen idols due to his villainous role. They also discuss the film’s ending, pointing out that Daniel’s winning move was technically illegal under tournament rules. The conversation then shifts to the TV series Cobra Kai, which they praise for its humor and fresh perspective on the original story. They briefly touch on other 80s reboots, including a short-lived Brady Bunch sequel series, before returning to discuss Cobra Kai’s success in reexa

Cathy and Todd explore how The Outsiders became a defining moment for Gen X identity—and launched a generation of future stars who dominated Teen & Tiger Beat. They break down how the movie came together, what it taught us, and why its themes still resonate today, for us and our kids. Plus, all the WTF moments, random facts, unforgettable quotes, and cringe-classic scenes that make it both iconic and fun to revisit. Zen POP Parenting is about seeing pop culture as more than just entertainment. It can be a mirror, a guide, and a spark for personal growth. It also helps us connect with our kids and remember what it felt like to be their age. Join us for nostalgic trivia, competitive games, and a new way to bring connection and curiosity to your podcast listening. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Fatherhood Full House Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary

Welcome to the very first episode of Zen POP Parenting with Cathy and Todd! We’re kicking things off with a deep dive into MTV and the iconic song Video Killed the Radio Star. We’ll explore how MTV shaped our culture, influenced our parenting, and impacted our sense of self. As Gen Xers who grew up with the rise of music videos and 24-hour cable TV, we’re revisiting the pop culture that shaped us and considering how it still shows up in how we parent today. We’re also introducing new segments—like Remember When, WTF, Rolling in the Deep, Parenting, Cringe or Classic, and more—offering pop culture reflections alongside the usual Zen Parenting depth and insight. Zen POP Parenting is about seeing pop culture as more than just entertainment. It can be a mirror, a guide, and a spark for personal growth. It also helps us connect with our kids and remember what it felt like to be their age. Join us for nostalgic trivia, competitive games, and a new way to bring connection and curiosity to your podcast listening. Some Ways to Support Us Sign up for Cathy’s Substack Order Restoring our Girls Join Team Zen Fatherhood Full House Dark Side of the Moon Advance Time Stamp Links shared in this episode: For the full show notes, visit zenpopparenting.com. This week’s sponsor(s): Avid Co DuPage County Area Decorating, Painting, Remodeling by Avid Co includes kitchens, basements, bathrooms, flooring, tiling, fire and flood restoration. David Serrano- Certified Financial Planner- 815-370-3780 MenLiving – A virtual and in-person community of guys connecting deeply and living fully. No requirements, no creeds, no gurus, no judgements Todd Adams Life & Leadership Coaching for Guys Other Ways to Support Us Ask Us Anything! Follow us on social media Instagram YouTube Facebook Buy and leave a review for Cathy’s Book Zen Parenting: Caring for Ourselves and Our Children in an Unpredictable World Find everything ZPR on our Resources Page Guys- Complete a MenLiving Connect profile AI Summary Summary MTV’s Impact on Gen XIn the first episode of the revamped podcast, Zen Pop Parenting, Todd and Kathy discuss the impact of MTV on their generation, Gen X. They reflect on how MTV changed the way they perceived music and artists, and how it influenced their sense of self. They also discuss the evolution of music consumption, from vinyl records to digital platforms, and how this has shaped their experiences. The podcast aims to explore the intersection of pop culture and parenting, and how these elements have shaped their lives. MTV’s Impact on Music IndustryTodd discussed the early days of MTV and its impact on their generation. He mentioned how MTV initially played mostly British artists due to their readiness for the visual medium. Todd also shared some of the first songs played on MTV, including “Video Killed the Radio Star” and “Billie Jean.” He highlighted the importance of MTV in breaking racial barriers in the music industry, with Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” being a turning point. Todd also mentioned some of the memorable moments in MTV history, such as the introduction of “Cribs” and “Yo MTV Raps.” The team also discussed some of the weird and memorable moments in MTV history, including the interview with David Bowie and the appearance of Courtney Love on stage with Madonna. MTV’s Influence on Gen XTodd discussed the impact of MTV on the Gen X generation, highlighting how it influenced their emotional development, creativity, and individuality. He noted that MTV provided a visual medium for storytelling, allowing viewers to connect with artists and their personal lives. Todd also emphasized the importance of music in processing life experiences and how it has become a soundtrack for generations. He concluded by discussing the power of representation in pop culture, suggesting that understanding the music and shows of the past can help parents better connect with their children. Music Game and MTV TriviaIn the meeting, Todd and his friends discussed the creation of a music game where they come up with a topic or word and choose a song that connects well to it. They emphasized the importance of choosing a song that is not too obvious or too obscure. Todd also shared his experience with the game, including a memorable moment when he chose the song “99 Luft Balloons” to represent a particular topic. The group also played a trivia game related to MTV and its history, with Todd providing the answers. The conversation ended with an announcement of the next episode’s topic, which will be about the movie “The Outsiders” and its impact on their generation.