Typology

Driven by the desire to appear successful and distinguish themselves through their achievements, image-focused Enneagram Threes often appear confident, ambitious, and goal-oriented. At their best, they are self-accepting, authentic role models who inspire others. Today, author and leadership coach, Jenni Catron explains the pivotal role the Enneagram has had played for her personally and professionally. She discusses the importance of identity work for Enneagram Threes, recognizing when the shadow-side is showing up more, and how being too risk-avoidant can hinder growth and development. Jenni Catron is a leadership coach, author and speaker. Her passion is to cultivate healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. She speaks at conferences and events nationwide, seeking to help leaders develop the clarity and confidence to lead well. As Founder and CEO of The 4Sight Group, she consults organizations on leadership, team culture and organizational health. With over 20 years of experience in corporate and non-profit organizations, Jenni has a passion for helping leaders "put feet to their vision." Jenni is the author of several books including Clout: Discover and Unleash Your God-Given Influence and The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership . She loves a fabulous cup of tea, great books, learning the game of tennis and hiking with her husband. Jenni can be found on social media at @jennicatron and at https://get4sight.com You can also download her free PDF to help you define compelling values for your team.

Known for their playful, high-spirited, and spontaneous personalities, Enneagram Sevens infuse optimism and adventure in their daily interactions. But their fear of boredom can lead to impulsive decision making and difficulty committing to plans in advance. So, what happens when an Enneagram Seven focuses on doing their work and allows the knowledge to penetrate and break the patterns that typically drive an Enthusiast? Our guest, founder of TOMS and Madefor, Blake Mycoskie shares how the adoption of specific positive practices has helped him to really thrive and flourish as his best, most authentic self. Blake Mycoskie is a serial entrepreneur, philanthropist, and best-selling author most known for founding TOMS Shoes. He's also the person behind the idea of One for One®, a business model that helps a person in need with every product purchased. As a New York Times best-selling author of the book, Start Something That Matters, Blake offered his own story of inspiration and the power of incorporating giving in business. He's achieved numerous accolades for his unique approach to business including the Secretary of State's 2009 Award of Corporate Excellence, the 2015 Next Generation Award from Harvard's School of Public Health, the 2016 Cannes Lion Heart Award, and the 2018 amfAR Award of Courage. Blake also recently expanded his philanthropic efforts to include the funding of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins, making it the first such research center in the US and the largest of its kind in the world. His current project, Madefor is a ten-month program that applies the principles of modern neuroscience, psychology and physiology to make your brain and body better. It leads you to adopt habits that work together to shift your mindset and behaviors. And, just for our Typology listeners, you'll receive 20% off with the discount code MFTYPOLOGY. For more information, visit GetMadeFor.com.

Enneagram Eights are real forces of nature. They are incredibly hardworking with a great deal of energy, and their self-confidence and take-charge personality make it easy for them to make difficult decisions. So, when it comes to finding the job you love, Enneagram Eight, Ken Coleman couldn't be a better guide. Today on Typology, Ken not only outlines the questions any Enneagram type needs to answer in order to find their dream job, but he also covers what he likes about being an Enneagram Eight and how it's helped him in his personal and professional life. Ken Coleman is the #1 national bestselling author of The Proximity Principle: The Proven Strategy That Will Lead to the Career You Love. At Ramsey Solutions, he hosts The Ken Coleman Show, a nationally syndicated radio show — part of the Ramsey Network — that airs on 51 stations across the U.S every weekday. Ken is a trusted voice and expert who's been featured in Forbes and appeared on Fox Business Network, Yahoo! Finance, and the Rachael Ray Show.

As a map of our interior world, the Enneagram is meant to bring about or enable spiritual transformation. But what does it look like when we are far enough down our path to see a difference? Our guest, actor/musician and Enneagram three Josh Radnor illustrates that vision today. Josh talks to Ian about growing in his compassion for himself and others, transforming from an unevolved three to an evolved three, recognizing the tension that plays out as a three with a four wing, and what spirituality looks like for him right now. JOSH RADNOR, most famous for his role on the long-running hit sitcom HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, also has an impressive body of dramatic work. Josh wrote, directed, and starred in Sundance feature hits LIBERAL ARTS and HAPPYTHANKYOUMOREPLEASE, and co-starred alongside Katheryn Hahn in Jill Soloway's AFTERNOON DELIGHT, which also premiered at Sundance. Josh has also starred in numerous plays on Broadway. On television, he starred for two seasons on PBS's MERCY STREET and on NBC's one-hour drama RISE. He is in a band with musician Ben Lee, called Radnor & Lee, and they just released their second album GOLDEN STATE. You can also see him alongside Al Pacino as the Nazi hunter Lonny Flash in Amazon's HUNTERS.

We're kicking off season 4 with a great episode! Today, Enneagram Four pop star Tori Kelly and former professional basketball player André Murillo join me to talk about how the Enneagram has impacted their relationship. Right out of the gate the conversation goes deep into how the Enneagram fosters a better understanding of the needs of their friends and family, encourages them to respect each other's strengths, and helps them navigate the different ways they each approach emotions. Tori Kelly is an American singer, songwriter, actress, and record producer who first gained recognition after posting videos on YouTube as a teenager, and appeared as a semi-finalist on the ninth season of American Idol in 2010. Thereafter, she independently released her self-produced debut EP in 2012, Handmade Songs by Tori Kelly. Since making her debut with 2015's Unbreakable Smile, a widely acclaimed album that entered the Billboard 200 at No. 2, Tori has lit up the pop landscape with her breathtaking vocals and full-hearted songwriting. Over the past year, she's continued to captivate with her sophomore effort Hiding Place: a passion project whose R&B-tinged take on classic gospel won Best Gospel Album at the 2019 Grammy Awards. And though Hiding Place marks a stylistic departure from Kelly's work in the pop world, each song shows the steadfast commitment to uncompromising artistry that carries through her music. Her husband, André Murillo is a former German-American professional basketball player who was raised in Lake Forest, California. He started his basketball career at Hamburg Towers in the German Pro A Basketball League then played for the Sea View League MVP. He currently has a passion for writing and sharing his personal life experiences.

When I first heard an Improver wrote a book titled, The Lazy Genius Way, I had to get her on the show. How on earth does an Enneagram One, who typically can't stop working to perfect the world and relax, come to embrace laziness? In today's episode, author Kendra Adachi explains why it's so important to be a genius about the things that matter, but to be lazy about things that don't. She also talks about the impact the Enneagram has had on growing in self-awareness, helping her recognize and find compassion for her inner critic, and adopting simple practices to help break out of the trap of her personality.

What makes a great leader? We typically think of a strong leader as someone who knows where they are going and how to motivate others to get there. But how do you effectively lead your team if you don't have a clear vision of your future? On this edition of Typology, Michael Hyatt explains what a Vision Driven Leader is and why a strategic vision is the most essential ingredient in leadership, not just in business but in all aspects of our lives. Known for his New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling books advising leaders in the area of productivity and goal achievement, Michael is uniquely qualified with over 40 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive to discuss the make-or-break factor in successful leadership: vision. In this podcast, you'll discover: What a vision script is and why it's so important How an irresistible, clear vision can rally your team How to avoid distractions and focus on opportunities that connect with your vision Listen to this great episode then make sure to grab your copy of The Vision Driven Leader: 10 Questions to Focus Your Efforts, Energize Your Team, and Scale Your Business.

This week I'm thrilled to welcome podcast goddess and Enneagram Five, Elizabeth Evans. Having previously wrestled with a scarcity mindset that kept her wrapped up in her mind, she shares her powerful story of how she flipped the script of her fear and stepped into a mindset that led her to become a successful, female business owner. An expert in storytelling, Elizabeth shares how she integrates the Enneagram into her business, opens up about how she manages her "go-to" fears, and explains how she taps into the superpowers that come with being an Enneagram Five. Elizabeth is a podcast producer, economics fanatic and founder of Elizabeth Evans Co. Her 360 boutique podcast studio helps creatives strategically build their show from conception to launch. Her uniquely created podcast methodology has helped world-renowned artists, best-selling authors, award-winning musicians, and impactful influencers to create transformative podcasts full of timeless, quality conversations that empower listeners into extraordinary action. For more information about Elizabeth Evans visit her website and don't forget to check out her recently launched Podcast Society.

How many teams do you belong to? Personally, I am part of numerous teams. Be it my marriage, my friendships, my church, my AA group, or my business, I use the Enneagram with each of my teams to reduce conflict, improve communication, and promote cooperation. It's an invaluable tool for building stronger teams. In this episode, guests Tim and Beckie Farrant join me to talk about how they apply the Enneagram in business, in leadership, and in marriage. Beckie is a wildly successful DIY blogger and top producer for DoTERRA Essential Oils. Tim has over 20 years in pastoral ministry and is the author of "She's Selling What?!" Together, they walk us through the ways they support each other and their teams using the Enneagram.

The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It's a tool that helps us enter into a conversation with ourselves about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One of the themes that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction. In today's profoundly moving, heart-changing episode, author and psychiatrist Dr. Curt Thompson joins me for a deep conversation about shame and how it plays out as a human experience for all nine types. In this episode we cover: The definition of shame… what it does as opposed to what it is Ways shame manifests in each Enneagram type How we can begin to heal shame through community About Curt Thompson, M.D. Curt Thompson, M.D., is a psychiatrist in private practice in Falls Church, Virginia, and founder of Being Known, which develops teaching programs, seminars, and resource materials to help people explore the connection between interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality which lead to genuine change and transformation. Dr. Thompson is the author of Anatomy of the Soul and The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves. Thompson graduated from Wright State University School of Medicine and completed his psychiatric residency at Temple University Hospital. He is board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He and his wife, Phyllis, are the parents of two children and reside in Arlington, Virginia. He serves as an elder at Washington Community Fellowship in Washington, D.C.

Today, psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat joins me for a killer episode about the nine faces of narcissism. And we're not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We're talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum. In this episode you'll learn: What narcissism actually is How narcissism shows up in all nine types, and What the healing path is for all nines types to keep narcissism in check.

Earlier this season, Molly Fletcher and I talked about her struggle to relax and turn it off. At the end of our interview, I asked her to come back after she had done some work and really dug into the Enneagram. Now, seven months later, she joins us to share how time and reflection have truly helped her slow down and shift her focus to chasing fulfillment rather than achievement. What does that look like for an Enneagram Three? Tune in to find out. Molly Fletcher is a popular keynote speaker who shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports. As a highly sought-after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly spent two decades as one of the world's only female sports agents. She was hailed as the "female Jerry Maguire" by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport's biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. She currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA).

What better way to wrap up our series on Enneagram and Parenting, than with a rich conversation with parenting experts, Amy and Jeffrey Olrick, Ph.D. Dr. Olrick is a clinical psychologist who has worked with children and families for over 20 years. Amy is an author and human rights advocate whose work and writing has been featured in the Guardian and USA Today. Together, they run GrowingConnected.com, offering scientifically grounded and faith-informed resources for parents. Today we discuss: How the Enneagram can help parents identify and live into their strengths What the 6 Needs of Every Child are and how they feather with the Enneagram Co-parenting to meet the needs of your children with balance Tune in for some great parenting insights on connecting with your children.

Author of Get Out of Your Own Way: A Skeptic's Guide to Growth and Fulfillment, Dave Hollis joins me to talk honestly about the lies human beings tell themselves and how those lies feather with the Enneagram. Together, we review the most common lies people tell themselves, offer tips for neutralizing those lies, and discuss the importance of rewriting our stories to become the best, truest version of our selves. Dave Hollis is one half of the dynamic, powerhouse duo that is Rachel and Dave Hollis. The former Disney distribution chief, responsible for the relaunch of the Star Wars franchise, the Avengers series, and mega-hits like Frozen and Beauty and the Beast, left his prestigious post at Disney to lead The Hollis Company alongside wife Rachel Hollis. Their work exists to afford people the opportunity to change their lives and comes in the form of live events, film and television projects, top-rated podcasts, product lines at retail, digital education and more. For a chance to win a copy of Dave Hollis' new book, subscribe to my email list here.

This week Dr. Russell Moore joins Ian Cron for a rich discussion on morality and authenticity. Dr. Moore is president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the moral and public policy agency of the nations' largest Protestant denomination. He is an ethicist, theologian, award-winning writer, and head of the moral and public policy agency of the SBC. The Wall Street Journal has called Moore "vigorous, cheerful and fiercely articulate." He's also the author of several books. In this episode we talk about: How the Enneagram helps him in his work What is his current existential angst Ways he reconciles his world when he feels misunderstood

The Enneagram is a great tool for integration for yourself, but I'd like to encourage you to think of it as a tool that can really impact family dynamics, including strengthening your relationships with your children. When families integrate the Enneagram into their daily lives, not only do parents begin to better understand and distinguish the needs of their children, but children can also learn to recognize their own needs as well as the needs of their siblings. Having this level of understanding creates so much room for empathy and grace for each other. One of the questions I hear most often as it relates to the Enneagram and families is, "How old should my child be before they start learning the Enneagram?" And though I'm not prepared to provide a specific age, I do think it's important to explore the Enneagram as a tool for young people. So, today, I'm excited to share with you my conversation with our youngest guest ever…Justice Skinner. Justice is the eldest son of our very own, Anthony Skinner, and happens to be an Enneagram Six. This interview is full of wisdom and clarity for Enneagram Sixes of all ages. I hope it also gives you a glimpse into the way the Enneagram can operate in a family-system. P.S. Looking for tips on parenting with the Enneagram? Subscribe to my YouTube channel to catch my next series on Enneagram and Parenting beginning April 27th.

Today on Typology, I'm thrilled to welcome author Brian McLaren. Brian is an author, speaker, activist and theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for "a new kind of Christianity" – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. Brian is a faculty member of The Living School, which is part of the Center for Action and Contemplation, and he co-leads the Common Good Messaging Team, which is part of Vote Common Good. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and a leader in the Convergence Network, through which he has developed an innovative training/mentoring program for pastors, church planters, and lay leaders called Convergence Leadership Project. His most recent projects include an illustrated children's book (for all ages) called Cory and the Seventh Story and The Galapagos Islands: A Spiritual Journey. And he's currently working on Faith After Doubt (Spring 2021) and Do I Stay Christian? (Spring '22 In today's episode, Brian discusses how the Enneagram has: helped him understand the ways that he sabotages himself Allowed him to have grace and appreciation for each of his children Given him permission to become a friend to himself You'll also hear how Fours can use their gifts to find their way out of the tunnel at the end of the light.

The Enneagram is complicated and nuanced, but human beings are infinitely more complex than the Enneagram. And today's episode proves just that. Our guest, ABC News correspondent, Paula Faris, exudes a lot of energy from a few different Enneagram types. Listen as Ian walks Paula through the Typing Interview Process to help her tease out the types she most strongly resonates with, then offers some "homework" for really unearthing her type on her own. Paula Faris is a senior national correspondent at ABC News and host of the popular podcast Journeys of Faith with Paula Faris, which gives an intimate look at how some of the world's most influential people lean on faith and spirituality in the best and worst of times. An Emmy Award-winning journalist, Paula previously was co-anchor of the Good Morning America weekend edition, as well as a co-host of The View.

This week we continue our conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Louie Giglio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus. He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several others. In Part Two, Pastor Louie gets vulnerable and shares his story of healing as an Enneagram Three. Today we cover: How to recognize when you're heading into dangerous territory for yourself What it's like when an Enneagram 3 hits their wall Tune in as we continue to reflect on the inner story of an Enneagram Three.

I'm thrilled to welcome Pastor Louie Giglio to the Typology Studio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus. He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is also the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several others. Louie just recently learned his Enneagram type, so this week we address his questions and reflect on the inner workings of an Enneagram Three. In Part One, we touch on: How to determine your dominant wing Using the Enneagram as a "lane detection system" Balancing the task list with true self-reflection And don't miss next week as we take an even deeper dive into the world and the redemption of those who identify as an Enneagram Three.

What happens when an Enneagram 9 stops overthinking and starts making decisions? Enneagram Nines have an incredible ability to see all sides of any given circumstance, but that commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave them exhausted and stuck. However, when Nines learn to stop overthinking they can start spending more time on things that matter and that bring more peace, love and joy into their lives. Today's guest, author Anne Bogel, gets to the heart of decision-making as an Enneagram Nine and shares what perfectionism-driven overthinking looks like and suggests a few disciplines that Nines can use to get out of analysis paralysis. Anne Bogel is the author of Reading People and I'd Rather Be Reading and creator of the blog Modern Mrs. Darcy and the podcasts What Should I Read Next? and Óne Great Book. She's been featured in O, the Oprah Magazine, Real Simple, Bustle, Refinery, The Washington Post and more. Bogel's popular book lists and reading guides have established her as a tastemaker among readers, authors, and publishers. Her latest book, Don't Overthink It offers practical strategies on replacing negative thoughts with positive thought patterns that will make an immediate and lasting difference in how you deal with questions both big and small.

We received such a great response from all of you after our first "Mailbag Thursday," that we're doing it again. Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for Ian to answer. Topics covered include: Whether trauma in adulthood can lead to type repression What the countertype 4 really looks like Resources on how different types process grief Tune in to hear what Ian has to say about these topics plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social OR submit your questions right here.

I'm thrilled to welcome today's Typology guest, PROPAGANDA. Prop is a Christian Hip Hop and spoken word artist/poet, political activist, husband, father, academic, emcee, and an Enneagram Three. He and his wife, University Professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, also host a podcast together called The Red Couch Podcast where they cover everything from pop culture to important social issues – all with the unique perspective, insight and wit only they can bring. In this episode, we have a candid conversation about how the Enneagram has helped him identify his interior struggles and what "doing his work" looks like. You'll learn: What Prop loves about being a Three What triggered Prop to start "doing his work" Specific rituals Prop practices to keep him in the moment For more information on PROPAGANDA, visit https://prophiphop.com or follow him on social @prophiphop.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend, Jill Phillips. Jill is a singer, songwriter and therapist based in Nashville who has been immersed in the Enneagram for some time now. She has a lot of wisdom to share, especially as it relates to the nuances of being a Six. Today we'll touch on: Enneagram stances and how they impact the lens through which each type views the world Ways the Enneagram integrates with other things, such as therapy or recovery The Enneagram Six's defense mechanisms for managing fear and anxiety Tune in to this great episode.

We all walk around thinking toxic thoughts but just because we think something doesn't make it true. Our thoughts are charged with emotions and energy, but they are not our enemies. If you treat them as though there is some kind of demonic force inside your head, you're actually investing them with power they do not have. They are not in charge of us. We are in charge of our thoughts and we have the ability to change our own narrative. In Part Two of my interview with Jennie Allen, we examine the toxic thoughts of an Enneagram Seven and how important it is for all of us to not give our thoughts too much power.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome author, Jennie Allen. Jennie is the founder and visionary behind IF:Gathering, an organization that equips women with gospel-centered resources, events, and community so they may learn more about who God is and disciple others. A sought-after speaker, Allen has taught at Women of Faith, Catalyst, and Q conferences. She is the author of several books, including Restless, Anything, and Nothing to Prove, and her latest book, Get Out of Your Head: Stopping the Spiral of Toxic Thoughts, just released on January 28th. In part 1 of this 2-part episode, Jennie and I talk about how understanding her own strengths and weaknesses as an Enneagram Seven has played a pivotal role in learning to trust others in leading her organization while allowing her to lean into her own gifts to find happiness and success in both her professional and personal life.

Each Enneagram Type is beautiful and in its healthy expression is truly fantastic. When Threes are healthy, they no longer find it important to credentialize their achievements, they become more community-minded and interested in helping others succeed. In Part Two of my conversation with former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam, we continue our discussion on the dangers Enneagram Threes face when they over-identify with the role they play in their job and allow perception to matter more than reality.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend and former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam. Bill began his career in business joining his father, Jim Haslam, who was the founder of the petroleum company Pilot Corporation. He was the CEO of the E-commerce and Catalog Division for Saks Fifth Avenue from 1999 to 2001, Mayor of Knoxville, TN from 2003-2010, and is co-owner of the Tennessee Smokies Minor League Baseball Team. He also happens to be an Enneagram Three. In part one of this two-part episode, Bill and I talk about what it's like to live and lead as an Enneagram Three.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome Lisa-Jo Baker, a former attorney and longtime Community Manager at (in)courage, podcast host, best-selling author of The Middle Matters, Never Unfriended and Surprised by Motherhood. She's also an Enneagram Two. At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment. Today, Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the kryptonite of an Enneagram Two, and how she knows when it's time for her to refuel.

We love providing you with new content and great guests each week. But, as you might imagine, the interviews often spark a lot of questions from our listeners. In fact, we receive tons of questions every single day. So, today we're diving into 2020 with something we've been talking about for quite a while...we'll be reading and answering some of your questions on the air. We're super excited to finally roll out our first "Mailbag Thursday," and we hope you are too. Keep those questions rolling in and maybe we'll answer your question on the next Mailbag Thursday. Thanks for listening!

Happy New Year! This week on Typology, I'm thrilled to welcome my friend, Betsy Miller. Betsy is the Director of Finance for Storybrand and also serves as the chairman of the Board of Directors for RESCUE: Freedom International, an organization that is a leading force in the rescue and restoration of survivors of human trafficking. Betsy and I take a look into the mind of an Enneagram Six, or The Loyalist. Enneagram Sixes tend to doubt the commitment of others, have difficulty making decisions without outside input, and always consider the worst-case scenario. Tune in as we explore the Loyalists' basic fear and provide some great tips to help Sixes learn to accept anxiety and doubt on their journey toward health.

The Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of our friends and family. In today's episode, the Cron family gathers over the holidays to discuss how the Enneagram has helped them grow closer and better understand each other. Listen as they share how their family finds balance and appreciation among each other.

This week we're taking a break to enjoy the holidays with our friends and families. So, we're replaying last year's episode where we give suggestions for the perfect Christmas gift for each Enneagram type. We wish you a fabulous couple of weeks and we'll kick off 2020 with some great new interviews. Happy Holidays!

This week I continue my insightful conversation with singer-songwriter, Amanda Cook. Amanda is a worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this episode, Amanda and I explain: the gift and grip of grief the Fives' defense mechanism of isolation the importance of staying present in the moment This conversation brings so much light and clarity to the construction of the Enneagram Five's personality. You don't want to miss it.

This week on Typology, I welcome a very special Enneagram Five who has done her work and beautifully wraps her words around her experience as a Five. Our guest, Amanda Lindsey Cook is a singer-songwriter, worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this episode, Amanda Cook: Shares how music helps her connect with her feelings Describes the important practice of embodiment Reveals the sacred rhythm of an Enneagram Five Our conversation was so rich, we made this a two-part episode. So, tune in next week as we continue our dive into the attic of Amanda's mind. And to add to this amazing episode, I'm super excited to announce that Anthony and I are taking Typology on the road. I'll be hosting the first-ever LIVE recording of Typology at the Balboa Theater in San Diego on March 21st. I'll share more details in the upcoming weeks but in the meantime, mark your calendars for the ticket pre-sale opening next Wednesday at 12:00 pm Central Time. Stay tuned on TypologyPodcast.com or on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter.

In Part two of my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and Enneagram One—we continue our discussion about the Enneagram and why it's so important to eliminate hurry from our lives. When you think about it, when you feel listened to and attended to, you feel loved by a person. But when we rush from one thing to another, we are unable to focus our attention on those we love most and our relationships are negatively impacted. If instead, we learn to live in a different space than hurry, the love, peace, and serenity we're really after will follow.

What do you pay attention to? When each of us walks into a room, the focus of our attention is different. An Enneagram Two might look for who they can connect with, an Enneagram Four might focus on what's missing in the room, and an Enneagram One might notice what needs to be fixed. But who is that Two not connecting with? What is in the room that the Four is not appreciating? And what is right in the room that the One doesn't need to fix? Today on Typology, I begin my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and an Enneagram One—about the importance of "paying attention to what is" and how the Enneagram has taught him to stop and ask the right questions in order to grow and mature throughout his own spiritual journey. And don't miss next week, when we continue our conversation in Part Two!

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend, Al Andrews. Al is not only a great counselor, author, and speaker, but he is also the director of Porter's Call, a non-profit offering counsel, support and encouragement to recording artists and their families. Al gives voice to what it's like to be a healthy two and how important it is for each of us to face our sorrows in order to heal from our brokenness. We also touch on: What makes a truly great helper The superpower of a Two The dark side of a Two And you'll also hear some great self-awareness questions for Twos to ask themselves on their journey toward health.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my good friend, Andrew Peterson—award-winning singer-songwriter and author. His newest book, Adorning the Dark, just released on October 15, and his 20th Anniversary Behold the Lamb of God Tour is going on now through the end of December. As two Enneagram Fours, Andrew and I get personal about the strengths and weaknesses of our type and how it has impacted our lives over the years. In this episode, you'll hear about the Enneagram Four's: True gifts to the world Inner critic and how it plays out in daily life Characteristic traits and what to watch out for You'll also learn an important tip of what NOT to do when a four is melancholic. It will change how you approach the fours in your life.

This week on Typology, I'm thrilled to welcome my good friend, Donald Miller—best-selling author of Building a StoryBrand, creator of the brand new Business Made Simple University, and Enneagram Type 3. Don and I have talked about the Enneagram before—mostly from a business perspective. But in this episode, I invited him to get personal and vulnerable, and he graciously obliged. Learn how self-awareness helped Don move from: Insecure to confident Feeling like an outsider to knowing he's accepted "Unreal" to "real" Living from a victim mentality to owning his own success and happiness You'll also get to hear about his powerful formula for interrupting self-limiting thoughts (You'll want to apply it to your own life today!) and I reveal a massive mistake people make along their journey to self-awareness. I hope you'll listen in. P.S. At the start of the episode, Don mentions that when he finds a particularly helpful book, he immediately goes looking for an online course. As a visual learner, experiencing the content through videos helps him better integrate what he's learned. If that sounds familiar, Enneagram Made Simple is perfect for you! And here's an amazing bonus: When you buy Enneagram Made Simple, you get ongoing access to Business Made Simple University—an online learning platform Don and his team at StoryBrand have just launched to help you develop yourself both personally and professionally—all for just $275/year. I'm genuinely excited for you to join me on this journey. Let's figure out this thing called life—together.

This week Ian welcomes back Becca Stevens--author, priest, and founder/president of Thistle Farms. Last week, they began to explore Becca's resistance to the Enneagram. But today, Ian walks Becca through the process of discovering her Enneagram type. This episode is full of great insights for anyone looking to figure out their type. So, regardless of where you are in the process, what type you are, what type your friends are or your spouse is, you're going to find a lot of really helpful information by the end of the show.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend, Mark Batterson—author of 17 books including The New York Times bestseller The Circle Maker, founder and lead pastor of National Community Church, and an Enneagram 3. In this episode, I invite Mark to get personal about his ministry and his marriage. Learn what the Enneagram taught Mark about: "Performing" grace The cure for the fear of failure How we identify and connect with others when we revealing our own challenges and struggles At the end, I also share a few growth tips for threes and Mark talks about his new book, Double Blessing: How to Receive It. How to Give It.

Not everyone will rush toward the Enneagram with enthusiasm. In fact, afraid of being labeled, some people can be really resistant to exploring the Enneagram at all. And that's the case with today's guest. In part one of this two-part series, Ian invites one of his favorite people, Reverend Becca Stevens, into the studio to talk about how the experience of trauma impacts personality, to discuss her resistance to the Enneagram, and to begin to explore which Enneagram type she resonates with. And don't forget to tune in next week as the conversation gets a bit deeper and we start to land on her type. Becca Stevens is an author, a priest, and the founder and president of Thistle Farms, a global community of survivors of trafficking and addiction that includes justice enterprises. For her work as an entrepreneur and justice advocate, Becca has been named a White House Champion of Change, a CNN Hero, and holds numerous honorary doctorates. She has been featured on The Today Show, ABC World News, NPR and the New York Times. Her most recent book, Love Heals, was published by Harper Collins. Visit beccastevens.org and thistlefarms.org for further info. Thank you to our sponsors HempFusion, BetterHelp, and Restoring the Soul.

We live in a world where productivity is a huge emphasis on the lives of lots of people. But as productivity guru, Mike Hyatt advocates, the point of productivity isn't to get more done, it's actually to get more done efficiently so you have more margin to do the things that are more life-giving and make you a more whole person. As children, Enneagram Threes pick up the message that they are only loved for what they do and how well they do it. In turn, Threes often tend to be competitive, success-oriented, multi-tasking machines who have difficulty slowing down. But what happens when Threes learn to trust that if they just stop working and stop moving that everything will still be taken care of? Today's guest, trailblazer Molly Fletcher, explains how her strengths as an Enneagram Three--drive to succeed, ability to connect with others, skilled multi-tasker--not only helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents, but also became a liability until she learned how to slow down, relax, and be more intentional about turning it off. Molly Fletcher is a trailblazer in every sense of the word--a rare talent of business wisdom, relationship brilliance, and unwavering optimism. A popular keynote speaker, she shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports and now a successful entrepreneur. Formerly, as president of client representation for sports and entertainment agency CSE, Molly spent two decades as one of the world's only female sports agents. She was hailed as the "female Jerry Maguire" by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport's biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. As she successfully negotiated over $500 million in contracts and built lasting relationships, she also observed and adopted the traits of those at the top of their game. Molly shares her proven approach to negotiating in her company's Game Changer Negotiation Training workshops, teaching people how to close more deals faster, while strengthening the relationship. Molly has been featured in ESPN, Fast Company, Forbes and Sports Illustrated. A sought after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly is the author of four books: Fearless At Work; A Winner's Guide to Negotiating; The Business of Being the Best; and The 5 Best Tools to Find Your Dream Career. Molly currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA). Molly earned a bachelor's degree in communications from Michigan State University while captaining the women's tennis team. Molly's energy and passion for life shines through everything she does. She finds her greatest joy at home in Atlanta with her husband Fred and their three daughters. SPONSORS Restoring the Soul

Each Enneagram type approaches feelings from a different angle. Some types can be really in touch with their feelings, while others seem out of touch with their feelings. On today's episode, our guests Jon and Tristen Collins join Ian to talk about "Why Emotions Matter." As an Enneagram 5 and an Enneagram 2, you can imagine this married couple couldn't be more opposite when it comes to their emotions. Tune in as Jon and Tristen explain how the Enneagram has helped them integrate the Enneagram Five's tendency to keep their feelings to themselves and the Enneagram Two's outward capacity for empathy and caring to build a stronger marriage and improve their relationships with others. Love this week's episode? Share Jon and Tristen's episode on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter and be entered to win a copy of Jon and Tristen's new book, "Why Emotions Matter." About Jon and Tristen: Jon Collins is a writer and creative director for The Bible Project. He has a BA in Biblical Studies from Multnomah University. Jon is affectionately known by the team as the Architect of Ideas. He is a master of making complex ideas simple and has spent the last decade founding and leading digital media and marketing companies. Jonathan Collins | @jonpdx Tristen Collins is a professional counselor with a focus on trauma recovery. She has 13 years of professional experience. Tristen teaches classes at Multnomah University in the graduate Counseling Department as adjunct faculty. She earned a Bachelor's of Science in Bible & Theology from Multnomah University & a Master's in Counseling from George Fox University. Tristen lives in Portland, Oregon with her husband, Jon, and their two young boys.

If you had to boil it down, Enneagram Sevens have an underlying fear that when it comes to pain and suffering, they will be unsupported. But in order to satisfy their unmet longing for completeness, for solidness, for wholeness, Sevens need to be able to stick with their sadness and discomfort long enough to work through it with others to foster the types of relationships that stand the test of time. On today's episode, Founder of Enneagram and Coffee, Sarajane Case, opens up about how the Enneagram has helped her navigate the joys and sorrows of life, release the grip on her high-vibration lifestyle, and enabled her to sit in the truth that she is not a solo traveler on life's journey. Sarajane Case is the Founder of 'Enneagram & Coffee' Instagram account & Podcast. A writer, coach, and speaker based in Asheville, NC, Sarajane works with enneagram to teach self-love as well as to aid entrepreneurs in building a business that is not only profitable but enjoyable!

Enneagram Fours have a unique awareness of their feelings and are highly attuned to their environment. Their gift of connecting deeply with others allows them to see the beauty in all things and to give language to experiences for which others can't seem to find the words. Today's guest, author Allison Fallon shares how merging the Enneagram with writing has not only helped her heal but has also helped so many others articulate their own internal landscape. Allison Fallon is a speaker, coach and author of 10 book, including her memoir Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage. Over the past 10 years, she has not only written prolifically, but has coached hundreds of authors to complete their creative projects through her in-person writing workshops, online courses and one-on-one support. She's been featured on Huffington Post, RELEVANT magazine, and Donald Miller's Storyline blog. Allison lives in Nashville, Tennessee.

Our guests today are hilarious, smart and up on the Enneagram. Cohosts of the popular Popcast, Knox McCoy and Jamie Golden join Ian in a conversation about self-awareness, the dynamics of working together as an Enneagram 5 and 7, and how pop culture and personality play into each other. Knox McCoy loves laughing and making people laugh. Really anything that's laughter-adjacent, he's into. He's also super into the word "swashbuckling" and his dream is to one day use it in a bio. Knox began podcasting in 2011 as a way to talk more about popular culture, and to his extreme surprise, he's still doing it every week on The Popcast with Knox and Jamie. Knox lives with his wife and three kids in Birmingham, Alabama, where he works as a screenwriter and as the swashbuckling cofounder of The Popcast Media Group. Knox enjoys movies, football, food, and sleep and prefers them to all be in very close proximity to each other. One time, he saw Common at the airport and talked to him briefly. It was pretty sweet. Jamie B. Golden has been co-hosting The Popcast with Knox and Jamie since August 2013. It is a nationally ranked, weekly pop culture podcast that's part deep dive, mostly shallow end. Jamie and Knox also launched their newest podcast, The Bible Binge, in February 2018. Seasons 1, 2, 4, and 4 of The Bible Binge wrapped in the top 3% of all podcasts. Jamie has presented at TEDx, Mom 2.0, Dreamcatchers Conference, Southern Social Summit, See Jane Write, Permanency Conference and will be presenting at Alt Summit in March 2019. Jamie makes her home in Birmingham, Alabama, where she teaches monthly at Church of the Highlands and advocates for foster and adopted children serving as a volunteer for Heart Gallery Alabama. Jamie enjoys good movies, even better TV, and Chris Pine represented in both. One time, she was hit by a naked drunk driver on the way home from a Walking Dead party. It was pretty sweet.

Last week, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walked through the speaking, or the communication styles, of the first three Enneagram types and how each type can leverage their gift and what to watch out for. Tune in today for part 2, as Mike and Ian cover how to tap into the strengths and avoid the pitfalls for types four through nine. And, don't forget to download Mike's tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below for your PDF of the key points for each of the nine types. DOWNLOAD THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It's very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he's helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let's not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit's annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you've been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who's never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at [email protected]. If you'd like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @mpacc on Instagram.

Have you ever thought about what makes a great speech or presentation? Whether you're speaking to thousands this weekend, you're speaking to the Rotary Club, or you just want to be a better communicator in the workplace, your Enneagram type has a specific communication style that plays a part in your effectiveness or lack of effectiveness. So how do you tap into those strengths and avoid the pitfalls? Our guest today, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walks us through the speaking, or the communication styles, of all nine types and how each of those nine types can leverage their gift and shares some of the things to watch out for. Mike's also put together his great tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below to review the key points for each of the nine types. THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF DOWNLOAD NOW About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It's very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he's helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let's not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit's annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you've been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who's never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at [email protected]. If you'd like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @mpacc on Instagram.