Typology

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend, Al Andrews. Al is not only a great counselor, author, and speaker, but he is also the director of Porter's Call, a non-profit offering counsel, support and encouragement to recording artists and their families. Al gives voice to what it's like to be a healthy two and how important it is for each of us to face our sorrows in order to heal from our brokenness. We also touch on: What makes a truly great helper The superpower of a Two The dark side of a Two And you'll also hear some great self-awareness questions for Twos to ask themselves on their journey toward health.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my good friend, Andrew Peterson—award-winning singer-songwriter and author. His newest book, Adorning the Dark, just released on October 15, and his 20th Anniversary Behold the Lamb of God Tour is going on now through the end of December. As two Enneagram Fours, Andrew and I get personal about the strengths and weaknesses of our type and how it has impacted our lives over the years. In this episode, you'll hear about the Enneagram Four's: True gifts to the world Inner critic and how it plays out in daily life Characteristic traits and what to watch out for You'll also learn an important tip of what NOT to do when a four is melancholic. It will change how you approach the fours in your life.

This week on Typology, I'm thrilled to welcome my good friend, Donald Miller—best-selling author of Building a StoryBrand, creator of the brand new Business Made Simple University, and Enneagram Type 3. Don and I have talked about the Enneagram before—mostly from a business perspective. But in this episode, I invited him to get personal and vulnerable, and he graciously obliged. Learn how self-awareness helped Don move from: Insecure to confident Feeling like an outsider to knowing he's accepted "Unreal" to "real" Living from a victim mentality to owning his own success and happiness You'll also get to hear about his powerful formula for interrupting self-limiting thoughts (You'll want to apply it to your own life today!) and I reveal a massive mistake people make along their journey to self-awareness. I hope you'll listen in. P.S. At the start of the episode, Don mentions that when he finds a particularly helpful book, he immediately goes looking for an online course. As a visual learner, experiencing the content through videos helps him better integrate what he's learned. If that sounds familiar, Enneagram Made Simple is perfect for you! And here's an amazing bonus: When you buy Enneagram Made Simple, you get ongoing access to Business Made Simple University—an online learning platform Don and his team at StoryBrand have just launched to help you develop yourself both personally and professionally—all for just $275/year. I'm genuinely excited for you to join me on this journey. Let's figure out this thing called life—together.

This week Ian welcomes back Becca Stevens--author, priest, and founder/president of Thistle Farms. Last week, they began to explore Becca's resistance to the Enneagram. But today, Ian walks Becca through the process of discovering her Enneagram type. This episode is full of great insights for anyone looking to figure out their type. So, regardless of where you are in the process, what type you are, what type your friends are or your spouse is, you're going to find a lot of really helpful information by the end of the show.

This week on Typology, I'm excited to welcome my friend, Mark Batterson—author of 17 books including The New York Times bestseller The Circle Maker, founder and lead pastor of National Community Church, and an Enneagram 3. In this episode, I invite Mark to get personal about his ministry and his marriage. Learn what the Enneagram taught Mark about: "Performing" grace The cure for the fear of failure How we identify and connect with others when we revealing our own challenges and struggles At the end, I also share a few growth tips for threes and Mark talks about his new book, Double Blessing: How to Receive It. How to Give It.

Not everyone will rush toward the Enneagram with enthusiasm. In fact, afraid of being labeled, some people can be really resistant to exploring the Enneagram at all. And that's the case with today's guest. In part one of this two-part series, Ian invites one of his favorite people, Reverend Becca Stevens, into the studio to talk about how the experience of trauma impacts personality, to discuss her resistance to the Enneagram, and to begin to explore which Enneagram type she resonates with. And don't forget to tune in next week as the conversation gets a bit deeper and we start to land on her type. Becca Stevens is an author, a priest, and the founder and president of Thistle Farms, a global community of survivors of trafficking and addiction that includes justice enterprises. For her work as an entrepreneur and justice advocate, Becca has been named a White House Champion of Change, a CNN Hero, and holds numerous honorary doctorates. She has been featured on The Today Show, ABC World News, NPR and the New York Times. Her most recent book, Love Heals, was published by Harper Collins. Visit beccastevens.org and thistlefarms.org for further info. Thank you to our sponsors HempFusion, BetterHelp, and Restoring the Soul.

We live in a world where productivity is a huge emphasis on the lives of lots of people. But as productivity guru, Mike Hyatt advocates, the point of productivity isn't to get more done, it's actually to get more done efficiently so you have more margin to do the things that are more life-giving and make you a more whole person. As children, Enneagram Threes pick up the message that they are only loved for what they do and how well they do it. In turn, Threes often tend to be competitive, success-oriented, multi-tasking machines who have difficulty slowing down. But what happens when Threes learn to trust that if they just stop working and stop moving that everything will still be taken care of? Today's guest, trailblazer Molly Fletcher, explains how her strengths as an Enneagram Three--drive to succeed, ability to connect with others, skilled multi-tasker--not only helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents, but also became a liability until she learned how to slow down, relax, and be more intentional about turning it off. Molly Fletcher is a trailblazer in every sense of the word--a rare talent of business wisdom, relationship brilliance, and unwavering optimism. A popular keynote speaker, she shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports and now a successful entrepreneur. Formerly, as president of client representation for sports and entertainment agency CSE, Molly spent two decades as one of the world's only female sports agents. She was hailed as the "female Jerry Maguire" by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport's biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. As she successfully negotiated over $500 million in contracts and built lasting relationships, she also observed and adopted the traits of those at the top of their game. Molly shares her proven approach to negotiating in her company's Game Changer Negotiation Training workshops, teaching people how to close more deals faster, while strengthening the relationship. Molly has been featured in ESPN, Fast Company, Forbes and Sports Illustrated. A sought after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly is the author of four books: Fearless At Work; A Winner's Guide to Negotiating; The Business of Being the Best; and The 5 Best Tools to Find Your Dream Career. Molly currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA). Molly earned a bachelor's degree in communications from Michigan State University while captaining the women's tennis team. Molly's energy and passion for life shines through everything she does. She finds her greatest joy at home in Atlanta with her husband Fred and their three daughters. SPONSORS Restoring the Soul

Each Enneagram type approaches feelings from a different angle. Some types can be really in touch with their feelings, while others seem out of touch with their feelings. On today's episode, our guests Jon and Tristen Collins join Ian to talk about "Why Emotions Matter." As an Enneagram 5 and an Enneagram 2, you can imagine this married couple couldn't be more opposite when it comes to their emotions. Tune in as Jon and Tristen explain how the Enneagram has helped them integrate the Enneagram Five's tendency to keep their feelings to themselves and the Enneagram Two's outward capacity for empathy and caring to build a stronger marriage and improve their relationships with others. Love this week's episode? Share Jon and Tristen's episode on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter and be entered to win a copy of Jon and Tristen's new book, "Why Emotions Matter." About Jon and Tristen: Jon Collins is a writer and creative director for The Bible Project. He has a BA in Biblical Studies from Multnomah University. Jon is affectionately known by the team as the Architect of Ideas. He is a master of making complex ideas simple and has spent the last decade founding and leading digital media and marketing companies. Jonathan Collins | @jonpdx Tristen Collins is a professional counselor with a focus on trauma recovery. She has 13 years of professional experience. Tristen teaches classes at Multnomah University in the graduate Counseling Department as adjunct faculty. She earned a Bachelor's of Science in Bible & Theology from Multnomah University & a Master's in Counseling from George Fox University. Tristen lives in Portland, Oregon with her husband, Jon, and their two young boys.

If you had to boil it down, Enneagram Sevens have an underlying fear that when it comes to pain and suffering, they will be unsupported. But in order to satisfy their unmet longing for completeness, for solidness, for wholeness, Sevens need to be able to stick with their sadness and discomfort long enough to work through it with others to foster the types of relationships that stand the test of time. On today's episode, Founder of Enneagram and Coffee, Sarajane Case, opens up about how the Enneagram has helped her navigate the joys and sorrows of life, release the grip on her high-vibration lifestyle, and enabled her to sit in the truth that she is not a solo traveler on life's journey. Sarajane Case is the Founder of 'Enneagram & Coffee' Instagram account & Podcast. A writer, coach, and speaker based in Asheville, NC, Sarajane works with enneagram to teach self-love as well as to aid entrepreneurs in building a business that is not only profitable but enjoyable!

Enneagram Fours have a unique awareness of their feelings and are highly attuned to their environment. Their gift of connecting deeply with others allows them to see the beauty in all things and to give language to experiences for which others can't seem to find the words. Today's guest, author Allison Fallon shares how merging the Enneagram with writing has not only helped her heal but has also helped so many others articulate their own internal landscape. Allison Fallon is a speaker, coach and author of 10 book, including her memoir Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage. Over the past 10 years, she has not only written prolifically, but has coached hundreds of authors to complete their creative projects through her in-person writing workshops, online courses and one-on-one support. She's been featured on Huffington Post, RELEVANT magazine, and Donald Miller's Storyline blog. Allison lives in Nashville, Tennessee.

Our guests today are hilarious, smart and up on the Enneagram. Cohosts of the popular Popcast, Knox McCoy and Jamie Golden join Ian in a conversation about self-awareness, the dynamics of working together as an Enneagram 5 and 7, and how pop culture and personality play into each other. Knox McCoy loves laughing and making people laugh. Really anything that's laughter-adjacent, he's into. He's also super into the word "swashbuckling" and his dream is to one day use it in a bio. Knox began podcasting in 2011 as a way to talk more about popular culture, and to his extreme surprise, he's still doing it every week on The Popcast with Knox and Jamie. Knox lives with his wife and three kids in Birmingham, Alabama, where he works as a screenwriter and as the swashbuckling cofounder of The Popcast Media Group. Knox enjoys movies, football, food, and sleep and prefers them to all be in very close proximity to each other. One time, he saw Common at the airport and talked to him briefly. It was pretty sweet. Jamie B. Golden has been co-hosting The Popcast with Knox and Jamie since August 2013. It is a nationally ranked, weekly pop culture podcast that's part deep dive, mostly shallow end. Jamie and Knox also launched their newest podcast, The Bible Binge, in February 2018. Seasons 1, 2, 4, and 4 of The Bible Binge wrapped in the top 3% of all podcasts. Jamie has presented at TEDx, Mom 2.0, Dreamcatchers Conference, Southern Social Summit, See Jane Write, Permanency Conference and will be presenting at Alt Summit in March 2019. Jamie makes her home in Birmingham, Alabama, where she teaches monthly at Church of the Highlands and advocates for foster and adopted children serving as a volunteer for Heart Gallery Alabama. Jamie enjoys good movies, even better TV, and Chris Pine represented in both. One time, she was hit by a naked drunk driver on the way home from a Walking Dead party. It was pretty sweet.

Last week, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walked through the speaking, or the communication styles, of the first three Enneagram types and how each type can leverage their gift and what to watch out for. Tune in today for part 2, as Mike and Ian cover how to tap into the strengths and avoid the pitfalls for types four through nine. And, don't forget to download Mike's tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below for your PDF of the key points for each of the nine types. DOWNLOAD THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It's very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he's helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let's not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit's annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you've been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who's never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at [email protected]. If you'd like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @mpacc on Instagram.

Have you ever thought about what makes a great speech or presentation? Whether you're speaking to thousands this weekend, you're speaking to the Rotary Club, or you just want to be a better communicator in the workplace, your Enneagram type has a specific communication style that plays a part in your effectiveness or lack of effectiveness. So how do you tap into those strengths and avoid the pitfalls? Our guest today, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walks us through the speaking, or the communication styles, of all nine types and how each of those nine types can leverage their gift and shares some of the things to watch out for. Mike's also put together his great tips for public speaking by Enneagram type. Just click below to review the key points for each of the nine types. THE ENNEAGRAM AND PUBLIC SPEAKING PDF DOWNLOAD NOW About Mike Pacchione Since 2012, Mike has taught public speaking to nearly 10,000 people across the globe. (Yes, he gives presentations about presentations. It's very meta.) His favorite thing in the world is helping someone with great ideas make those ideas come alive on stage. (Cue name-dropping) To that end, he's helped Olympians such as Scott Hamilton, executives such as Donald Miller, Ryan Delk and Rachel Rodgers, online entrepreneurs such as Pat Flynn and Amy Porterfield, best-selling authors such as James Clear, and let's not forget our dear friend Ian Cron. Mike also serves as the speaking coach for ConvertKit's annual Craft + Commerce conference. While Mike is not at liberty to name the remainder of his clients, suffice it to say that if you have used a computer, credit card or search engine today, you've been in contact with one of his past clients. On a personal note: In 2016, he and his wife began helping a Congolese refugee family transition to life in the United States. It is some of his best and most challenging work. Ever think of how to explain voicemail to someone who's never used a phone before? Neither had he. Drop him a line at [email protected]. If you'd like to see pictures of speakers (sometimes), him sometimes), his family (sometimes) and his dog (often), follow @mpacc on Instagram.

Though we can't manufacture great conversations here on Typology, every now and then we do get to experience something deeply vulnerable and truly magical as we did in this episode with singer/songwriter, Ryan Stevenson. On this episode, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they're not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you're living in right now. So, tune in as we celebrate the end of Season 2 with a replay of one of our favorite episodes. Then stick around through the end for a special treat as we share the new single, "Keep the Faith," from our very own, Anthony Skinner's new EP dropping today. For more information about Anthony and his latest projects, you can check out his website or find him on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. To get your copy of his new single, just click here.

With so many of our listeners asking about subtypes on a daily basis, we thought we'd celebrate the end of Season 2 with this replay of Aaron Niequist and Ian discussing instincts and subtypes and using them as another way to help hone in on your Enneagram type. Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.

Others often perceive the interior world of the Enneagram Five, or The Observer, as mysterious. Known to use the pursuit of knowledge as a defense against a world that seems unpredictable, The Observer can appear to not have or be in touch with their emotions. This is simply not the case. In fact, The Observer is one of the most misunderstood Enneagram type in terms of emotions and relationships. Enneagram Fives can actually have very intense emotions, but they just may not express them. Listen as our guest, Dr. Richard Lindroth takes us into the interior world of The Observer. He shows us how deeply attuned to beauty and transcendence he is, how he strives to overcome being emotionally distant from himself, and how he's waking up to the emotional as well as the spiritual components of life.

In part two of our interview with JOHNNYSWIM, Abner and Amanda's manager Jay King joins the conversation and shares how the Enneagram has impacted their personal and working relationship. ABOUT JOHNNYSWIM As a unit, they face life's ups, downs, highs, lows, trials, tribulations, tragedies, triumphs, and everything in between. They change, learn, and grow as one. However, Los Angeles band JOHNNYSWIM doesn't just seem like a family; it is a family. At the core, husband-and-wife—Abner Ramirez and Amanda Sudano—translate the memories, moments, and milestones on their journey into spirited, slick, and soulful anthems steeped in singer-songwriter tradition, yet amplified by alternative experimentation, rock energy, and pop ambition. The music moves as the couple's life does, scrapbooking unforgettable experiences in melody like an eternal keepsake of their relationship. In early 2017, JOHNNYSWIM commenced work on ideas for what would become their 2019 third full-length, Moonlight [Britannia Row Recordings/BMG]. Amidst a series of professional changes and Amanda's pregnancy with their second child, they kick-started the next chapter." ABOUT MANAGER JASON "JAY" KING Jason "Jay" King is the founder and owner of World Citizen Media and a twenty-year veteran of the music industry. He manages Los Angeles based duo JOHNNYSWIM, Propaganda, and Pop writer/artist TRELLA. World Citizen's core mission is to help BUILD, LAUNCH, and ACCELERATE meaningful projects, with strong foundations, that contribute good back into the world. Jay's background includes working with renowned artists including Platinum-selling hip-hop group GRITS, 4th Avenue Jones, Hillsong United, Grammy award winner Israel Houghton, All Sons & Daughters, Fonzworth Bentley, Daniel Bashta, John Mark McMillan, Rhett Walker Band, and more. He has also worked alongside brands such as Tumi Luggage, Macy's, Fiat, General Motors, Southwest Airlines, St. Jude, and more in order to bring campaigns for his clients to life. He held the title of VP of A&R positions for both Gotee Records (Universal Music Group) and Integrity Music (Sony BMG) before establishing World Citizen Media.

What does it sound like when an Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) feels safe enough to reveal his true vulnerability? Tune in as Johnnyswim's Abner and Amanda explore their deeper side and talk with Ian about how the Enneagram has played a role in their relationship and their band. This interview was so great we made it a two-part series, so don't miss next week, when their manager Jay King jumps into the conversation as well. They'll open up about how the Enneagram has helped them in their personal relationship and their working relationship.

Last week we began our conversation on self-leadership with former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof. In part two, Carey and Ian continue their discussion with tips on how leaders can manage anxiety and avoid burnout. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn't See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey's blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.

How can leaders understand themselves and the world in which they live so they can be optimal in their various roles? One of the first steps is to strengthen self-leadership because you can't successfully lead others unless you can first lead yourself. In this two-part episode, former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof reveals the seven core challenges to leadership and how approaching these challenges through the lens of the Enneagram can help close the gap between who you are and how powerfully you lead your team. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn't See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey's blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.

Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are adaptable, caring, supportive, and easygoing. Their "go with the flow" attitude acts as the manifestation of their need for internal and external peace at all times. To keep this peace, Nines often over-accommodate others in a unconscious effort to avoid conflict, and end up "falling asleep" to their own needs. But today, Lysa Terkeurst, #1 New York Times bestselling author and Enneagram Nine, explains why it's important for The Peacemaker not to confuse the desire for peace with the disease to please.

Chris Carneal, founder and CEO of Boosterthon (Enneagram 7) plans for adventure while his CFO, Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 6) plans for dis-adventure. So how have these two leveraged their differences to balance each other and grow their company 800% over the past eight years? They invest in the culture of their company. Today, Chris and Stan join Ian to talk about how helping their team understand each other and creating a culture where self-awareness and self-knowledge are held up as values allow them to appreciate and bring out all the positive attributes of each individual while exponentially growing their business.

How do you measure success? What does it look like and feel like? Often, we measure success by how we appear to others or by the things we accomplish. But for Enneagram Three, Michael Hyatt, success is defined as freedom – the freedom to focus, the freedom to be fully present, and the freedom to be spontaneous. Sounds great, right? But, how do we get there? The first step is to develop self-awareness and self-care as a leadership discipline. Oftentimes leaders and entrepreneurs are so wired for productivity that they don't stop to create a margin for self-reflection and self-care that leads to freedom. On today's episode, Ian invites Michael Hyatt, best-selling Author and founder/CEO of Micheal Hyatt & Company, to share his tips for success and finding the balance between productivity and freedom.

Have you ever stopped to think about your travel personality? Or how the ideal vacation for your Enneagram type may be different than others? We all look for different things when choosing our next vacation…and even the planning process can greatly vary. With summer approaching and travel on our minds, we asked ourselves 'what would be the best vacation for each Enneagram type?' So, Typology producer Anthony Skinner and Ian Morgan Cron popped into the studio to share some great vacation suggestions for your type as well as a few tips of things to be mindful of while on vacation.

One of the elements about the Enneagram that makes it different than other typologies is the principles behind working with Centers of Intelligence. The three centers of intelligence are the head, heart, and body. Each Enneagram type uses all three centers but approaches the world from one center more than the other two. Where people often get in trouble is when they over-privilege or overuse one of those centers or even perhaps put down other centers, acting out of balance rather than consciously drawing on all three centers, especially in terms of how they work best and in the right situations, using the right center and the right function for the right purposes. Today, Enneagram expert Beatrice Chestnut and I introduce the Centers of Intelligence and talk about ways we can learn to bring them into balance. Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University's Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation.

Drew and Ellie Holcomb return this week for part two of our two-part series. Today, Drew shares how he has learned to let go of his need to be in charge and is learning to lead from the heart, and Ellie gives us insight into what makes her feel really alive. Drew and Ellie Holcomb are a husband and wife Americana duo from Nashville, TN. Shortly after their marriage in 2006, the couple began touring together with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors. The band has supported many national touring acts including Ryan Adams, The Avett Brothers, Don Henley, and Willie Nelson. Ellie is no longer a touring member of "The Neighbors," and has found success in a solo career as a Christian singer/songwriter. Her albums As Sure As The Sun and Red Sea Road have both topped the iTunes Christian chart. Drew Holcomb still tours nationally with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors and their most recent album, Souvenir, is their most critically acclaimed release yet. An Evening with Drew and Ellie Holcomb is a special engagement event, allowing The Holcombs to collaborate once again.

Enneagram Eights and Enneagram Sevens make a high-energy couple. Both types are strong-willed, independent, love adventure, and find happiness in the moment. But Eights and Sevens manage their feelings in different ways. Eights embrace a challenge and express anger easily which can clash with a Seven's tendency to avoid difficult or painful feelings by reframing things into a positive light. As you'll hear in today's episode, Drew and Ellie Holcomb describe how the Enneagram has shifted their marriage by guiding them toward self-reflection, providing them with practical ways to navigate their feelings, and creating a shared understanding of how they each process pain.

In today's episode, we share a big announcement then replay Ian's interview with renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D. A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author of Ian's all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge. Enneagram Twos are far more complicated than they appear at first glance. Who better to describe what it's like to be a Helper than a Black-belt Enneagram expert and teacher. Beatrice was so good we decided to record two shows with her! Whether you're a Two or not, this show contains so much insight into the Enneagram it will blow your mind! Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University's Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation. Books and Resources for Enneagram Twos: Boundaries: When to Say Yes, When to Say No-To Take Control of Your Life, Dr. Henry Cloud How to Love (Mindful Essentials), Thich Nhat Hanh

What do you need in a relationship? When it comes to relationships, how do you interact with and love other people? It's often in our most intimate relationships that our most true self shows up and we realize that our view of the world is not necessarily the same as others. That's where the Enneagram comes in. The Enneagram helps us understand ourselves better, provides a platform for understanding our partners, and teaches us how to walk more healthily in relationships. In today's episode, J.J. Peterson processes past relationships with Ian and reminds us all that it's healthy to trust our gut and acknowledge our own needs. J.J. Peterson has been many things in his life. From a missionary kid who grew up in Africa to working in production on the Blossom Reunion Special, J.J.'s life has never been dull. Currently, he is a speaker and author who splits his time between Los Angeles and New York. He has a hunger for helping people understand the story of God and what part people play in that story. He has traveled the world, working in Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, and the US, sharing the gospel story through pastoral training, preaching and even touring as an improv comic. He is a filmmaker, a storyteller, and passionate about all things art. J.J. has studied CS Lewis in Oxford, debated theology with filmmakers at the Sundance Film Festival, directed a documentary, had small parts in various television shows and film, but his favorite thing is being called Uncle J.J. J.J.'s focus is on helping people walk out their faith in meaningful and life-giving ways. J.J. has spoken to people all over the world for audiences of 15 to 15,000, sharing his own story and the story of God. His humor and life experience help people understand grace and love in new ways. He can design a talk specifically for your community. Areas of passion include grace, theology and the arts, walking the path of a gay Christian, and God's love. J.J.'s experience and education allow him to come alongside you or your organization to help share your story on a broader scale. He offers two types of consulting. The first is for aspiring authors who are looking to write a book and the second is for organizations who wish to expand their reach. J.J. is an author and blogger. Currently, he is part of the blogging community at Storyline and just completed his first book. He occasionally posts musings on this site's Blog page. Contact him about writing for your organization.

How does the Enneagram affect how you communicate with your spouse? Each Enneagram type has a different communication style which impacts the power dynamic in every relationship – whether that's a relationship with a coworker, a friend, or a spouse. The Enneagram helps us understand where others are coming from and creates space for appreciating and negotiating our differences. In today's episode, former co-stars of Little People, Big World, and founders of Beating 50 Percent, Jeremy and Audrey Roloff join Ian on Typology to discuss the ways the Enneagram has shaped how they manage stress, helped them communicate better in their marriage, and transformed their relationship. Jeremy Roloff grew up on a 110-acre farm in Helvetia, Oregon, alongside his twin brother and two younger siblings. Jeremy helps his parents, who are both dwarfs, run Roloff Farm's pumpkin patch, which brings in tens of thousands of visitors from around the world every weekend in October. Jeremy has a degree in professional photography, and is the co-founder of Beating50Percent.com, a marriage ministry on a mission to revive covenant marriages. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Jeremy grew up filming for a reality television show called Little People, Big World, which has been following his family since he was twelve years old. He is a 9 on the Enneagram, dad to Ember, loves old cars, and will never pass up an evening by the campfire. Audrey Roloff is passionate about motivating women to always believe in the more that is within them through Christ. She spreads this mission through her devotionals, Always More clothing line, and blogs on life, faith, marriage and motherhood. Audrey is the co-founder of beating50percent.com, a marriage ministry, with her husband Jeremy. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Audrey was the captain of the Oregon State Cross Country and Track team where she earned a degree in Marketing and Entrepreneurship. She's an 8 on the enneagram, mom to Ember, drinks her coffee beige, loves all things floral and the Pacific Northwest.

Enneagram Fives, or the Observers, operate from a withdrawing stance and value their privacy. Their unconscious strategy consists of collecting knowledge and information to defend against what feels like an overwhelming, unpredictable, chaotic world. They build walls around themselves and retreat into their mental realm for a lot of internal processing. And though they may appear detached there is actually a lot of vulnerability beneath the surface. The challenge for a Five is to not over-rely on their intellect but rather learn to connect with the heart by bringing their feeling up to the same level of their intellect. In today's episode, songwriter, author, and activist, Dan Haseltine opens up to Ian and shows us how the powerful intellect of an Enneagram 5 can successfully blend with their connection to the emotional space. Dan is a songwriter, founder, author, speaker, advocate; He is best known as lead vocalist for Christian alternative folk rock group Jars of Clay. Haseltine has performed vocals, piano, accordion, percussion and most recently, melodica, while with Jars of Clay. He has had different artistic titles, including songwriter, producer, film composer, music supervisor, and art designer. Haseltine is also the founder of the non-profit organization, Blood:Water Mission, where he currently sits as part of the board of directors. He is a regular writer and speaker about worship music, HIV/AIDS in Africa, social justice and church reform. Haseltine is also a regular columnist for Relevant Magazine, and has contributed articles to Moody, CCM Magazine, Christianity Today, World Vision, Campus Life and Beliefnet.[2] Founded by the multi-platinum, GRAMMY Award-winning band, Jars of Clay and activist Jena Lee Nardella, Blood:Water began as a call to personalize the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa. Blood: Water is an agency that partners with Africa grassroots organizations to address the water and HIV/AID crises. They provide technical, financial, and organizational support to strengthen their reach and effectiveness to the communities they serve. He is married to Katie Haseltine and together they have two children, Noah and Max.

Often when we approach the Enneagram we tend to think that everybody can fit neatly into one category. But the Enneagram is more like a color wheel than it is a set of boxes around a circle. There are shades as you go around the spectrum. Each of us is different than the people around us. So, the more we come to know ourselves, to accept our own uniqueness and brokenness, the more we can begin to understand others. In fact, each Enneagram type can actually help balance each other. And when we learn to speak into each other's lives with a scalpel rather than a dagger, with the posture of gentleness, we can even correct each other's excesses in a way that's whole-making. In today's episode, senior pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, Scott Sauls, discusses the role the Enneagram has played through his seasons of anxiety and depression, and how others have helped keep him in balance.

How does your Enneagram type affect your decision making? Each Enneagram type has different motivations and makes decisions in different ways. So, when faced with making a decision, sometimes we need to go against the grain of how we normally do things in order to figure out what is the next right thing. In today's episode, author Emily P. Freeman joins Ian to offer recommendations on decision making based on each Enneagram Type and the Centers of Intelligence.

What are you addicted to? I don't believe there is one person on this planet who isn't addicted to something. And when I say addiction, I don't necessarily mean addiction to substances. Addiction is a compulsion to continue doing something despite harmful consequences. And if we look at addiction through the lens of the Enneagram, we can view the passion of each Enneagram type as an addiction. The Enneagram helps bring to awareness what these unconscious addictions and compulsions are so we can start to unwind the influence and power they have over our lives. In other words, we can move into recovery from the worst side of our type. So, in today's episode, we talk about each Enneagram type's compulsion and what recovery (or sobriety) for that type looks like.

The Enneagram is a transformational tool for self-awareness and self-knowledge. It helps uncover the most unconscious parts of who we are. But how? Once you identify your Enneagram type, what's the next step? On today's episode of Typology, Ian shares his top 25 Enneagram resources for discovering the why behind what you do and taking the next steps toward becoming your authentic self.

How do we use the Enneagram to honor our differences? First, we have to be willing to look at our own story and bravely explore our own dark side. One of the beauties of the Enneagram is that it helps us become more self-aware, to own our dark side, and to begin to live with more compassion and appreciation for difference. When we truly understand the Enneagram we see that one type is not better than another. Each type is different and that difference enriches us. But if we're afraid to look into our shadow side, our dark side, the shadow side of us can take forms of discrimination, and we're all guilty of it in one way or another. In today's show, we invited Rabbi Evan Moffic to join us again to talk about how a lack of appreciation of differences, or even indifference, can foster an environment of antisemitism and discrimination of all types, and what we can do to begin to unwind or reverse the momentum of antisemitism and all forms of discrimination. About Rabbi Evan Moffic Rabbi Evan Moffic is a renowned author and Jewish scholar. He's a high honors graduate of Stanford University and the youngest rabbi of a major congregation in the United States. He is an Enneagram three, AKA the performer, and loves and uses the Enneagram to support his own journey toward personal transformation, and as a tool in his work with other people, as well.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, "What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?" As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life. But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find your true story. And, though you can't change the facts of what has happened in your life, you can change the way you interpret them. The truth is, that if you want to experience enduring transformation, you have to discover your false story, decouple yourself from it and begin to live the truth of your new story. In today's episode, we'll walk through the false "stories" that each Enneagram type needs to let go of in order to allow your true self to emerge.

Last week, Scott and Ian talked about how the Enneagram can help you in the workplace. This week, they continue the conversation highlighting the way the Enneagram feeds emotional intelligence, fosters empathy and compassion, increases productivity, and ultimately leads to better bottom line results and a happier place to work. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occasionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for 'America's Kids Belong' -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organization working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.

How can the Enneagram help you in the workplace? How does knowing a person's personality style help you in leadership development? In today's episode, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, shares how he has used the Enneagram in team building and leadership development. He explains how the Enneagram helps provide insight into how the different people on your team function in the workplace, how you can support them in different phases in their career, why it's important to understand how different people see the world, and how their particular personality style affects their decision making and affects their analysis. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program, and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occassionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for 'America's Kids Belong' -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organiation working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.

In Part 2 of our conversation with singer/songwriter Amy Grant, we continue to explore stances to hone in on whether or not she's actually an Enneagram Nine. Discussing the differences between types in the gut triad and how they each relate to anger and focusing on a few key instinctual responses helps Amy find her type. Listen through to the end as Amy shares a special song with us before her interview ends. About Amy Grant Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life's complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She's earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She's achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.

The Enneagram is by far the most effective tool for deepening self-knowledge, sharpening self-awareness, and improving relationships. It helps to identify your unique personality and guides you toward living as your authentic self. But what if you're stuck and haven't yet figured out your type? Today's guest, singer/songwriter Amy Grant struggled to find her type too. So, we tackled the struggle from a different angle…using stances. In fact, one of the quickest ways to identify your Enneagram type is to first look at the different social styles, or stances, of the types rather than focus on each type individually. The social styles of the nine Enneagram types are divided into three stances: assertive, compliant, and withdrawn. Stances refer to the basic posture of each type and how they move in the world. The Assertive Stance (Types 3, 7, 8) moves against others and takes action to get their needs met. The Compliant Stance (Types 1, 2, 6) moves toward others to meet their needs externally. While the Withdrawing Stance (Types 4, 5, 9) moves away from others by turning inward to find fulfillment. So, if you're struggling to find your type, ask yourself, "Do I move toward others, with others, or away from others?" About Amy Grant: Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life's complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She's earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She's achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.

In order to make sense or find meaning in our lives in early childhood, we develop narratives that sort of explain our life experiences. We often choose specific incidents that we string together into the plot we now live. But, have you ever stopped to ask yourself if the story you are living is true? In today's episode with singer/songwriter Ryan Stevenson, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they're not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you're living in right now. We hope this episode encourages you to reflect on your own story. To get started, simply ask yourself: Are my interpretations about who I am and the way the world is true? Is my story helping me simply "survive" life rather than to live it fully? And remember, you have the freedom and the power to change your story. You can revise your interpretations and see your true story through a new lens. About Ryan Stevenson Following a seven-year stint as a paramedic, Pacific Northwest native Ryan Stevenson signed an exclusive agreement with Gotee Records in 2013 after capturing TobyMac's attention by co-writing the No. 1 and Grammy nominated single "Speak Life," His first recording for the label was the Holding Nothing Back EP in 2013, which garnered the Top 25 single "Holding Nothing Back. This was followed by 2015's full-length album Fresh Start, which featured the No. 1 radio single "Eye of the Storm". With three No. 1 singles (two as an artist and one as a co-writer), a GRAMMY® nomination, Billboard Music Award nomination, a Dove Award (2017), ASCAP honors and major tour bills with the likes of TobyMac, MercyMe, Newsboys and Matt Maher, among others, Ryan has already distinguished himself as a rare talent whose unique perspective guides his honest lyrics and sonic sensibilities.

In order to truly use the Enneagram to better understand our own personality, it is important to have an understanding of, not just the unconscious motivations, but also the impact that subtypes and wings have on each type. In part two of our conversation with CNN Political Analyst, Kirsten Powers, we dive into the role subtypes and wings play in determining your type. In this episode, you'll discover: how understanding unconscious motivations can help you find your type. how the finer distinctions of subtypes and wings can make one type look completely different. how friends and family pointing out your blind spots can help on your journey toward transformation. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA Today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. Her latest book, The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech, can be purchased on Amazon and you can find her podcast, co-hosted by Jonathan Merritt at www.thefaithangle.com.

Let's face it…there's a deep complexity to the Enneagram. Yes, for some, it is extremely easy to nail down their type. But for others…well, it's more complicated. Why? First, everyone exhibits behaviors that look like a particular type. And to make it even more difficult, there are an infinite number of expressions of each type, some of which will look nothing like you on the exterior, but are still a unique variation of that particular type. However, we can't determine our type by our behaviors. We really have to dig down into what's driving those behaviors and ask ourselves what is the underlying motivation behind my behavior? When our guest, author and CNN political analyst, Kirsten Powers, reached out about her uncertainty in typing herself as a One or an Eight, we had to help her land on something. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. In this episode, you'll discover: Ways to recognize subtle nuances between Type One and Type Eight How the drive for justice plays out as Type One vs. Type Eight The relational and professional similarities among Type One and Type Eight And don't miss next week's episode as we dive into some finer distinctions of the One and Eight.

In today's episode, Enneagram Four and author of "Get Weird: Discover the Surprising Secret to Making a Difference," CJ Casciotta joins us to talk about becoming more comfortable in your own unique self and how using your innate ability to be creative can lead to success in your personal and professional life. Each of us has our own version of "weird" that is calling to be brought forth into the world. No matter what you sort you gravitate toward, the reason you're here on Earth is to bring something new that wasn't there before. Knowing what makes you weird is the best thing you can offer your art, your business, your friends, your family, and yourself. So, tune in to hear how CJ leverages his weird to not only find success himself but to help others find theirs. About CJ For over 15 years CJ has helped some of the world's biggest brands discover their unique identity and share it creatively including Lululemon, The United Nations, MGM Studios, and Whole Foods. His work has been featured on national media including CBS, MTV, Amazon Prime, and The Huffington Post. Lately, He's been sharing some of his ideas, speaking at places like TEDx, Saddleback Church, Story Conference, and Charity:Water. For more information on CJ, visit http://getweirdbook.com.

Enneagram Ones, or the Perfectionists, often have an idealized view of how things should be and constantly strive to improve themselves, others, and the world. With a strong desire to do the right thing and not make mistakes, Ones tend to control feelings that they deem inappropriate to the point that it is difficult for them to access or express negative emotions, such as anger, fear, or even anxiety. But learning to understand that all emotions are actually very human and a part of each of us can be very healing and freeing for a One. On today's episode, Ian sits down with friend and author, Amy Julia Becker, to talk about how admitting her own needs, and learning to accept herself as beautiful and broken, vulnerable, needy and gifted has been a huge life lesson in perfectionism. About Amy Julia Becker Amy Julia Becker is the author of White Picket Fences: Turning toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege (NavPress, 2018). She is also the author of Small Talk: Learning From My Children About What Matters Most (Zondervan, 2014), A Good and Perfect Gift: Faith, Expectations and a Little Girl Named Penny (Bethany House), named one of the Top Books of 2011 by Publisher's Weekly, and Penelope Ayers: A Memoir. A graduate of Princeton University and Princeton Theological Seminary, her essays about faith, family, and disability have appeared in the Washington Post, USA Today, Christianity Today, the Christian Century, and online for The New York Times, ABCNews, the Atlantic, Vox, and The Huffington Post. Amy Julia is a member of INK: A Creative Collective. She lives with her husband Peter and three children, Penny, William, and Marilee in western CT.

This week we're taking a break to spend time with our families over the holidays and hope you are doing the same. Enjoy this replay of one of our most downloaded episodes. Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.

This week Ian continues the conversation with pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, as he discusses where he gets stuck as an Enneagram 3, why he learned to say no, and how he measures success through spiritual growth rather than statistics. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City. They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship, co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.

Enneagram Threes, when not self-aware, are plagued with comparison. They compare themselves to other people who seem to be more successful and feel some sense of shame about that. On the flip side, when they look at people who aren't as successful, they can feel a sense of pride. Because unhealthy Threes believe their value comes exclusively from their performance or achievements, they tend to push their accomplishments out in front of people to gain their love and admiration. But when Threes are self-aware they stop projecting an image to please the crowd and instead become more comfortable with their true-self. Healthy Threes make great role models who enjoy motivating others to become successful in their own right. This week we invited pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, to share how he channels his Enneagram Three gifts of relating to others into his own version of being a successful leader. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City. They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship, co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.

On this episode, Ian and Anthony drink WAY too much egg nog and start calling unsuspecting (former) friends to ask for the perfect gift for their type!