Typology

Though we can't manufacture great conversations here on Typology, every now and then we do get to experience something deeply vulnerable and truly magical as we did in this episode with singer/songwriter, Ryan Stevenson. On this episode, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they're not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you're living in right now. So, tune in as we celebrate the end of Season 2 with a replay of one of our favorite episodes. Then stick around through the end for a special treat as we share the new single, "Keep the Faith," from our very own, Anthony Skinner's new EP dropping today. For more information about Anthony and his latest projects, you can check out his website or find him on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. To get your copy of his new single, just click here.

With so many of our listeners asking about subtypes on a daily basis, we thought we'd celebrate the end of Season 2 with this replay of Aaron Niequist and Ian discussing instincts and subtypes and using them as another way to help hone in on your Enneagram type. Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical recordings called A New Liturgy to help people create holy space wherever they find themselves. Niequist and his wife, bestselling author Shauna Niequist, live in the suburbs of Chicago with their two sons. For more information, visit aaronniequist.com and anewliturgy.com.

Others often perceive the interior world of the Enneagram Five, or The Observer, as mysterious. Known to use the pursuit of knowledge as a defense against a world that seems unpredictable, The Observer can appear to not have or be in touch with their emotions. This is simply not the case. In fact, The Observer is one of the most misunderstood Enneagram type in terms of emotions and relationships. Enneagram Fives can actually have very intense emotions, but they just may not express them. Listen as our guest, Dr. Richard Lindroth takes us into the interior world of The Observer. He shows us how deeply attuned to beauty and transcendence he is, how he strives to overcome being emotionally distant from himself, and how he's waking up to the emotional as well as the spiritual components of life.

In part two of our interview with JOHNNYSWIM, Abner and Amanda's manager Jay King joins the conversation and shares how the Enneagram has impacted their personal and working relationship. ABOUT JOHNNYSWIM As a unit, they face life's ups, downs, highs, lows, trials, tribulations, tragedies, triumphs, and everything in between. They change, learn, and grow as one. However, Los Angeles band JOHNNYSWIM doesn't just seem like a family; it is a family. At the core, husband-and-wife—Abner Ramirez and Amanda Sudano—translate the memories, moments, and milestones on their journey into spirited, slick, and soulful anthems steeped in singer-songwriter tradition, yet amplified by alternative experimentation, rock energy, and pop ambition. The music moves as the couple's life does, scrapbooking unforgettable experiences in melody like an eternal keepsake of their relationship. In early 2017, JOHNNYSWIM commenced work on ideas for what would become their 2019 third full-length, Moonlight [Britannia Row Recordings/BMG]. Amidst a series of professional changes and Amanda's pregnancy with their second child, they kick-started the next chapter." ABOUT MANAGER JASON "JAY" KING Jason "Jay" King is the founder and owner of World Citizen Media and a twenty-year veteran of the music industry. He manages Los Angeles based duo JOHNNYSWIM, Propaganda, and Pop writer/artist TRELLA. World Citizen's core mission is to help BUILD, LAUNCH, and ACCELERATE meaningful projects, with strong foundations, that contribute good back into the world. Jay's background includes working with renowned artists including Platinum-selling hip-hop group GRITS, 4th Avenue Jones, Hillsong United, Grammy award winner Israel Houghton, All Sons & Daughters, Fonzworth Bentley, Daniel Bashta, John Mark McMillan, Rhett Walker Band, and more. He has also worked alongside brands such as Tumi Luggage, Macy's, Fiat, General Motors, Southwest Airlines, St. Jude, and more in order to bring campaigns for his clients to life. He held the title of VP of A&R positions for both Gotee Records (Universal Music Group) and Integrity Music (Sony BMG) before establishing World Citizen Media.

What does it sound like when an Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) feels safe enough to reveal his true vulnerability? Tune in as Johnnyswim's Abner and Amanda explore their deeper side and talk with Ian about how the Enneagram has played a role in their relationship and their band. This interview was so great we made it a two-part series, so don't miss next week, when their manager Jay King jumps into the conversation as well. They'll open up about how the Enneagram has helped them in their personal relationship and their working relationship.

Last week we began our conversation on self-leadership with former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof. In part two, Carey and Ian continue their discussion with tips on how leaders can manage anxiety and avoid burnout. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn't See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey's blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.

How can leaders understand themselves and the world in which they live so they can be optimal in their various roles? One of the first steps is to strengthen self-leadership because you can't successfully lead others unless you can first lead yourself. In this two-part episode, former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof reveals the seven core challenges to leadership and how approaching these challenges through the lens of the Enneagram can help close the gap between who you are and how powerfully you lead your team. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He's the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn't See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast and Carey's blog at www.CareyNieuwhof.com are accessed by millions of leaders each year.

Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are adaptable, caring, supportive, and easygoing. Their "go with the flow" attitude acts as the manifestation of their need for internal and external peace at all times. To keep this peace, Nines often over-accommodate others in a unconscious effort to avoid conflict, and end up "falling asleep" to their own needs. But today, Lysa Terkeurst, #1 New York Times bestselling author and Enneagram Nine, explains why it's important for The Peacemaker not to confuse the desire for peace with the disease to please.

Chris Carneal, founder and CEO of Boosterthon (Enneagram 7) plans for adventure while his CFO, Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 6) plans for dis-adventure. So how have these two leveraged their differences to balance each other and grow their company 800% over the past eight years? They invest in the culture of their company. Today, Chris and Stan join Ian to talk about how helping their team understand each other and creating a culture where self-awareness and self-knowledge are held up as values allow them to appreciate and bring out all the positive attributes of each individual while exponentially growing their business.

How do you measure success? What does it look like and feel like? Often, we measure success by how we appear to others or by the things we accomplish. But for Enneagram Three, Michael Hyatt, success is defined as freedom – the freedom to focus, the freedom to be fully present, and the freedom to be spontaneous. Sounds great, right? But, how do we get there? The first step is to develop self-awareness and self-care as a leadership discipline. Oftentimes leaders and entrepreneurs are so wired for productivity that they don't stop to create a margin for self-reflection and self-care that leads to freedom. On today's episode, Ian invites Michael Hyatt, best-selling Author and founder/CEO of Micheal Hyatt & Company, to share his tips for success and finding the balance between productivity and freedom.

Have you ever stopped to think about your travel personality? Or how the ideal vacation for your Enneagram type may be different than others? We all look for different things when choosing our next vacation…and even the planning process can greatly vary. With summer approaching and travel on our minds, we asked ourselves 'what would be the best vacation for each Enneagram type?' So, Typology producer Anthony Skinner and Ian Morgan Cron popped into the studio to share some great vacation suggestions for your type as well as a few tips of things to be mindful of while on vacation.

One of the elements about the Enneagram that makes it different than other typologies is the principles behind working with Centers of Intelligence. The three centers of intelligence are the head, heart, and body. Each Enneagram type uses all three centers but approaches the world from one center more than the other two. Where people often get in trouble is when they over-privilege or overuse one of those centers or even perhaps put down other centers, acting out of balance rather than consciously drawing on all three centers, especially in terms of how they work best and in the right situations, using the right center and the right function for the right purposes. Today, Enneagram expert Beatrice Chestnut and I introduce the Centers of Intelligence and talk about ways we can learn to bring them into balance. Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University's Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation.

Drew and Ellie Holcomb return this week for part two of our two-part series. Today, Drew shares how he has learned to let go of his need to be in charge and is learning to lead from the heart, and Ellie gives us insight into what makes her feel really alive. Drew and Ellie Holcomb are a husband and wife Americana duo from Nashville, TN. Shortly after their marriage in 2006, the couple began touring together with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors. The band has supported many national touring acts including Ryan Adams, The Avett Brothers, Don Henley, and Willie Nelson. Ellie is no longer a touring member of "The Neighbors," and has found success in a solo career as a Christian singer/songwriter. Her albums As Sure As The Sun and Red Sea Road have both topped the iTunes Christian chart. Drew Holcomb still tours nationally with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors and their most recent album, Souvenir, is their most critically acclaimed release yet. An Evening with Drew and Ellie Holcomb is a special engagement event, allowing The Holcombs to collaborate once again.

Enneagram Eights and Enneagram Sevens make a high-energy couple. Both types are strong-willed, independent, love adventure, and find happiness in the moment. But Eights and Sevens manage their feelings in different ways. Eights embrace a challenge and express anger easily which can clash with a Seven's tendency to avoid difficult or painful feelings by reframing things into a positive light. As you'll hear in today's episode, Drew and Ellie Holcomb describe how the Enneagram has shifted their marriage by guiding them toward self-reflection, providing them with practical ways to navigate their feelings, and creating a shared understanding of how they each process pain.

In today's episode, we share a big announcement then replay Ian's interview with renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D. A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author of Ian's all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge. Enneagram Twos are far more complicated than they appear at first glance. Who better to describe what it's like to be a Helper than a Black-belt Enneagram expert and teacher. Beatrice was so good we decided to record two shows with her! Whether you're a Two or not, this show contains so much insight into the Enneagram it will blow your mind! Beatrice has taught at Northwestern University and was trained in group facilitation at Stanford University's Graduate School of Business. She served as President of the International Enneagram Association from 2006-2007 and teaches workshops on the Enneagram internationally, focusing on using it as a tool for leadership development and personal transformation. Books and Resources for Enneagram Twos: Boundaries: When to Say Yes, When to Say No-To Take Control of Your Life, Dr. Henry Cloud How to Love (Mindful Essentials), Thich Nhat Hanh

What do you need in a relationship? When it comes to relationships, how do you interact with and love other people? It's often in our most intimate relationships that our most true self shows up and we realize that our view of the world is not necessarily the same as others. That's where the Enneagram comes in. The Enneagram helps us understand ourselves better, provides a platform for understanding our partners, and teaches us how to walk more healthily in relationships. In today's episode, J.J. Peterson processes past relationships with Ian and reminds us all that it's healthy to trust our gut and acknowledge our own needs. J.J. Peterson has been many things in his life. From a missionary kid who grew up in Africa to working in production on the Blossom Reunion Special, J.J.'s life has never been dull. Currently, he is a speaker and author who splits his time between Los Angeles and New York. He has a hunger for helping people understand the story of God and what part people play in that story. He has traveled the world, working in Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, and the US, sharing the gospel story through pastoral training, preaching and even touring as an improv comic. He is a filmmaker, a storyteller, and passionate about all things art. J.J. has studied CS Lewis in Oxford, debated theology with filmmakers at the Sundance Film Festival, directed a documentary, had small parts in various television shows and film, but his favorite thing is being called Uncle J.J. J.J.'s focus is on helping people walk out their faith in meaningful and life-giving ways. J.J. has spoken to people all over the world for audiences of 15 to 15,000, sharing his own story and the story of God. His humor and life experience help people understand grace and love in new ways. He can design a talk specifically for your community. Areas of passion include grace, theology and the arts, walking the path of a gay Christian, and God's love. J.J.'s experience and education allow him to come alongside you or your organization to help share your story on a broader scale. He offers two types of consulting. The first is for aspiring authors who are looking to write a book and the second is for organizations who wish to expand their reach. J.J. is an author and blogger. Currently, he is part of the blogging community at Storyline and just completed his first book. He occasionally posts musings on this site's Blog page. Contact him about writing for your organization.

How does the Enneagram affect how you communicate with your spouse? Each Enneagram type has a different communication style which impacts the power dynamic in every relationship – whether that's a relationship with a coworker, a friend, or a spouse. The Enneagram helps us understand where others are coming from and creates space for appreciating and negotiating our differences. In today's episode, former co-stars of Little People, Big World, and founders of Beating 50 Percent, Jeremy and Audrey Roloff join Ian on Typology to discuss the ways the Enneagram has shaped how they manage stress, helped them communicate better in their marriage, and transformed their relationship. Jeremy Roloff grew up on a 110-acre farm in Helvetia, Oregon, alongside his twin brother and two younger siblings. Jeremy helps his parents, who are both dwarfs, run Roloff Farm's pumpkin patch, which brings in tens of thousands of visitors from around the world every weekend in October. Jeremy has a degree in professional photography, and is the co-founder of Beating50Percent.com, a marriage ministry on a mission to revive covenant marriages. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Jeremy grew up filming for a reality television show called Little People, Big World, which has been following his family since he was twelve years old. He is a 9 on the Enneagram, dad to Ember, loves old cars, and will never pass up an evening by the campfire. Audrey Roloff is passionate about motivating women to always believe in the more that is within them through Christ. She spreads this mission through her devotionals, Always More clothing line, and blogs on life, faith, marriage and motherhood. Audrey is the co-founder of beating50percent.com, a marriage ministry, with her husband Jeremy. The couple also hosts the top-rated Behind the Scenes podcast. Audrey was the captain of the Oregon State Cross Country and Track team where she earned a degree in Marketing and Entrepreneurship. She's an 8 on the enneagram, mom to Ember, drinks her coffee beige, loves all things floral and the Pacific Northwest.

Enneagram Fives, or the Observers, operate from a withdrawing stance and value their privacy. Their unconscious strategy consists of collecting knowledge and information to defend against what feels like an overwhelming, unpredictable, chaotic world. They build walls around themselves and retreat into their mental realm for a lot of internal processing. And though they may appear detached there is actually a lot of vulnerability beneath the surface. The challenge for a Five is to not over-rely on their intellect but rather learn to connect with the heart by bringing their feeling up to the same level of their intellect. In today's episode, songwriter, author, and activist, Dan Haseltine opens up to Ian and shows us how the powerful intellect of an Enneagram 5 can successfully blend with their connection to the emotional space. Dan is a songwriter, founder, author, speaker, advocate; He is best known as lead vocalist for Christian alternative folk rock group Jars of Clay. Haseltine has performed vocals, piano, accordion, percussion and most recently, melodica, while with Jars of Clay. He has had different artistic titles, including songwriter, producer, film composer, music supervisor, and art designer. Haseltine is also the founder of the non-profit organization, Blood:Water Mission, where he currently sits as part of the board of directors. He is a regular writer and speaker about worship music, HIV/AIDS in Africa, social justice and church reform. Haseltine is also a regular columnist for Relevant Magazine, and has contributed articles to Moody, CCM Magazine, Christianity Today, World Vision, Campus Life and Beliefnet.[2] Founded by the multi-platinum, GRAMMY Award-winning band, Jars of Clay and activist Jena Lee Nardella, Blood:Water began as a call to personalize the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa. Blood: Water is an agency that partners with Africa grassroots organizations to address the water and HIV/AID crises. They provide technical, financial, and organizational support to strengthen their reach and effectiveness to the communities they serve. He is married to Katie Haseltine and together they have two children, Noah and Max.

Often when we approach the Enneagram we tend to think that everybody can fit neatly into one category. But the Enneagram is more like a color wheel than it is a set of boxes around a circle. There are shades as you go around the spectrum. Each of us is different than the people around us. So, the more we come to know ourselves, to accept our own uniqueness and brokenness, the more we can begin to understand others. In fact, each Enneagram type can actually help balance each other. And when we learn to speak into each other's lives with a scalpel rather than a dagger, with the posture of gentleness, we can even correct each other's excesses in a way that's whole-making. In today's episode, senior pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, Scott Sauls, discusses the role the Enneagram has played through his seasons of anxiety and depression, and how others have helped keep him in balance.

How does your Enneagram type affect your decision making? Each Enneagram type has different motivations and makes decisions in different ways. So, when faced with making a decision, sometimes we need to go against the grain of how we normally do things in order to figure out what is the next right thing. In today's episode, author Emily P. Freeman joins Ian to offer recommendations on decision making based on each Enneagram Type and the Centers of Intelligence.

What are you addicted to? I don't believe there is one person on this planet who isn't addicted to something. And when I say addiction, I don't necessarily mean addiction to substances. Addiction is a compulsion to continue doing something despite harmful consequences. And if we look at addiction through the lens of the Enneagram, we can view the passion of each Enneagram type as an addiction. The Enneagram helps bring to awareness what these unconscious addictions and compulsions are so we can start to unwind the influence and power they have over our lives. In other words, we can move into recovery from the worst side of our type. So, in today's episode, we talk about each Enneagram type's compulsion and what recovery (or sobriety) for that type looks like.

The Enneagram is a transformational tool for self-awareness and self-knowledge. It helps uncover the most unconscious parts of who we are. But how? Once you identify your Enneagram type, what's the next step? On today's episode of Typology, Ian shares his top 25 Enneagram resources for discovering the why behind what you do and taking the next steps toward becoming your authentic self.

How do we use the Enneagram to honor our differences? First, we have to be willing to look at our own story and bravely explore our own dark side. One of the beauties of the Enneagram is that it helps us become more self-aware, to own our dark side, and to begin to live with more compassion and appreciation for difference. When we truly understand the Enneagram we see that one type is not better than another. Each type is different and that difference enriches us. But if we're afraid to look into our shadow side, our dark side, the shadow side of us can take forms of discrimination, and we're all guilty of it in one way or another. In today's show, we invited Rabbi Evan Moffic to join us again to talk about how a lack of appreciation of differences, or even indifference, can foster an environment of antisemitism and discrimination of all types, and what we can do to begin to unwind or reverse the momentum of antisemitism and all forms of discrimination. About Rabbi Evan Moffic Rabbi Evan Moffic is a renowned author and Jewish scholar. He's a high honors graduate of Stanford University and the youngest rabbi of a major congregation in the United States. He is an Enneagram three, AKA the performer, and loves and uses the Enneagram to support his own journey toward personal transformation, and as a tool in his work with other people, as well.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, "What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?" As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life. But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find your true story. And, though you can't change the facts of what has happened in your life, you can change the way you interpret them. The truth is, that if you want to experience enduring transformation, you have to discover your false story, decouple yourself from it and begin to live the truth of your new story. In today's episode, we'll walk through the false "stories" that each Enneagram type needs to let go of in order to allow your true self to emerge.

Last week, Scott and Ian talked about how the Enneagram can help you in the workplace. This week, they continue the conversation highlighting the way the Enneagram feeds emotional intelligence, fosters empathy and compassion, increases productivity, and ultimately leads to better bottom line results and a happier place to work. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occasionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for 'America's Kids Belong' -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organization working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.

How can the Enneagram help you in the workplace? How does knowing a person's personality style help you in leadership development? In today's episode, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, shares how he has used the Enneagram in team building and leadership development. He explains how the Enneagram helps provide insight into how the different people on your team function in the workplace, how you can support them in different phases in their career, why it's important to understand how different people see the world, and how their particular personality style affects their decision making and affects their analysis. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a multiple-award-winning Leadership Development Program, and has built a broad curriculum of custom people-development workshops and initiatives that improve organizational performance by helping everyone to become the best versions of themselves. Scott is currently the Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, overseeing learning and development around the globe, and travels extensively facilitating development workshops. For the past 3 years, Scott has also worked as a part-time organizational consultant for Church of the City here in Tennessee, and occassionally donates his time as a leadership consultant for 'America's Kids Belong' -- a wonderful Nonprofit Organiation working to end the foster care and adoption crisis in the U.S. Scott is a Myers Briggs and Hogan practitioner, an Emotional Intelligence Coach, and holds multiple Senior HR Certifications.

In Part 2 of our conversation with singer/songwriter Amy Grant, we continue to explore stances to hone in on whether or not she's actually an Enneagram Nine. Discussing the differences between types in the gut triad and how they each relate to anger and focusing on a few key instinctual responses helps Amy find her type. Listen through to the end as Amy shares a special song with us before her interview ends. About Amy Grant Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life's complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She's earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She's achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.

The Enneagram is by far the most effective tool for deepening self-knowledge, sharpening self-awareness, and improving relationships. It helps to identify your unique personality and guides you toward living as your authentic self. But what if you're stuck and haven't yet figured out your type? Today's guest, singer/songwriter Amy Grant struggled to find her type too. So, we tackled the struggle from a different angle…using stances. In fact, one of the quickest ways to identify your Enneagram type is to first look at the different social styles, or stances, of the types rather than focus on each type individually. The social styles of the nine Enneagram types are divided into three stances: assertive, compliant, and withdrawn. Stances refer to the basic posture of each type and how they move in the world. The Assertive Stance (Types 3, 7, 8) moves against others and takes action to get their needs met. The Compliant Stance (Types 1, 2, 6) moves toward others to meet their needs externally. While the Withdrawing Stance (Types 4, 5, 9) moves away from others by turning inward to find fulfillment. So, if you're struggling to find your type, ask yourself, "Do I move toward others, with others, or away from others?" About Amy Grant: Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ever since she burst on the scene as a fresh-faced teenager bringing contemporary Christian music to the forefront of American culture, the Nashville native gained a reputation for creating potent songs that examined life's complexities with an open heart and keen eye. She became the first artist in Christian music to have a platinum record and went on to become a crossover sensation, her musical gifts transcending genre boundaries to make her a household name. She's earned six Grammy Awards and numerous Gospel Music Association Dove Awards as well as three multi-platinum albums, six platinum albums and four gold albums. She's achieved 10 Top 40 pop singles and placed 17 hits on the Top 40 Adult Contemporary chart as well as scoring numerous hits on the contemporary Christian charts. A longtime and active Nashville resident, Grant is as well known for her philanthropy as her music. She and husband, Vince Gill, are tireless in their efforts to aid worthy causes.

In order to make sense or find meaning in our lives in early childhood, we develop narratives that sort of explain our life experiences. We often choose specific incidents that we string together into the plot we now live. But, have you ever stopped to ask yourself if the story you are living is true? In today's episode with singer/songwriter Ryan Stevenson, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they're not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you're living in right now. We hope this episode encourages you to reflect on your own story. To get started, simply ask yourself: Are my interpretations about who I am and the way the world is true? Is my story helping me simply "survive" life rather than to live it fully? And remember, you have the freedom and the power to change your story. You can revise your interpretations and see your true story through a new lens. About Ryan Stevenson Following a seven-year stint as a paramedic, Pacific Northwest native Ryan Stevenson signed an exclusive agreement with Gotee Records in 2013 after capturing TobyMac's attention by co-writing the No. 1 and Grammy nominated single "Speak Life," His first recording for the label was the Holding Nothing Back EP in 2013, which garnered the Top 25 single "Holding Nothing Back. This was followed by 2015's full-length album Fresh Start, which featured the No. 1 radio single "Eye of the Storm". With three No. 1 singles (two as an artist and one as a co-writer), a GRAMMY® nomination, Billboard Music Award nomination, a Dove Award (2017), ASCAP honors and major tour bills with the likes of TobyMac, MercyMe, Newsboys and Matt Maher, among others, Ryan has already distinguished himself as a rare talent whose unique perspective guides his honest lyrics and sonic sensibilities.

In order to truly use the Enneagram to better understand our own personality, it is important to have an understanding of, not just the unconscious motivations, but also the impact that subtypes and wings have on each type. In part two of our conversation with CNN Political Analyst, Kirsten Powers, we dive into the role subtypes and wings play in determining your type. In this episode, you'll discover: how understanding unconscious motivations can help you find your type. how the finer distinctions of subtypes and wings can make one type look completely different. how friends and family pointing out your blind spots can help on your journey toward transformation. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA Today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. Her latest book, The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech, can be purchased on Amazon and you can find her podcast, co-hosted by Jonathan Merritt at www.thefaithangle.com.

Let's face it…there's a deep complexity to the Enneagram. Yes, for some, it is extremely easy to nail down their type. But for others…well, it's more complicated. Why? First, everyone exhibits behaviors that look like a particular type. And to make it even more difficult, there are an infinite number of expressions of each type, some of which will look nothing like you on the exterior, but are still a unique variation of that particular type. However, we can't determine our type by our behaviors. We really have to dig down into what's driving those behaviors and ask ourselves what is the underlying motivation behind my behavior? When our guest, author and CNN political analyst, Kirsten Powers, reached out about her uncertainty in typing herself as a One or an Eight, we had to help her land on something. Kirsten Powers currently writes for USA today, and is an on-air political analyst at CNN. She appears regularly on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN tonight with Don Lemon, and The Lead with Jake Tapper. Before joining CNN, Kirsten worked at Fox News as a political analyst and contributor, where she appeared regularly with Special Report with Bret Baier, Fox News Sunday, the Kelly File, the O'Reilly Factor. In this episode, you'll discover: Ways to recognize subtle nuances between Type One and Type Eight How the drive for justice plays out as Type One vs. Type Eight The relational and professional similarities among Type One and Type Eight And don't miss next week's episode as we dive into some finer distinctions of the One and Eight.

In today's episode, Enneagram Four and author of "Get Weird: Discover the Surprising Secret to Making a Difference," CJ Casciotta joins us to talk about becoming more comfortable in your own unique self and how using your innate ability to be creative can lead to success in your personal and professional life. Each of us has our own version of "weird" that is calling to be brought forth into the world. No matter what you sort you gravitate toward, the reason you're here on Earth is to bring something new that wasn't there before. Knowing what makes you weird is the best thing you can offer your art, your business, your friends, your family, and yourself. So, tune in to hear how CJ leverages his weird to not only find success himself but to help others find theirs. About CJ For over 15 years CJ has helped some of the world's biggest brands discover their unique identity and share it creatively including Lululemon, The United Nations, MGM Studios, and Whole Foods. His work has been featured on national media including CBS, MTV, Amazon Prime, and The Huffington Post. Lately, He's been sharing some of his ideas, speaking at places like TEDx, Saddleback Church, Story Conference, and Charity:Water. For more information on CJ, visit http://getweirdbook.com.

Enneagram Ones, or the Perfectionists, often have an idealized view of how things should be and constantly strive to improve themselves, others, and the world. With a strong desire to do the right thing and not make mistakes, Ones tend to control feelings that they deem inappropriate to the point that it is difficult for them to access or express negative emotions, such as anger, fear, or even anxiety. But learning to understand that all emotions are actually very human and a part of each of us can be very healing and freeing for a One. On today's episode, Ian sits down with friend and author, Amy Julia Becker, to talk about how admitting her own needs, and learning to accept herself as beautiful and broken, vulnerable, needy and gifted has been a huge life lesson in perfectionism. About Amy Julia Becker Amy Julia Becker is the author of White Picket Fences: Turning toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege (NavPress, 2018). She is also the author of Small Talk: Learning From My Children About What Matters Most (Zondervan, 2014), A Good and Perfect Gift: Faith, Expectations and a Little Girl Named Penny (Bethany House), named one of the Top Books of 2011 by Publisher's Weekly, and Penelope Ayers: A Memoir. A graduate of Princeton University and Princeton Theological Seminary, her essays about faith, family, and disability have appeared in the Washington Post, USA Today, Christianity Today, the Christian Century, and online for The New York Times, ABCNews, the Atlantic, Vox, and The Huffington Post. Amy Julia is a member of INK: A Creative Collective. She lives with her husband Peter and three children, Penny, William, and Marilee in western CT.

This week we're taking a break to spend time with our families over the holidays and hope you are doing the same. Enjoy this replay of one of our most downloaded episodes. Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.

This week Ian continues the conversation with pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, as he discusses where he gets stuck as an Enneagram 3, why he learned to say no, and how he measures success through spiritual growth rather than statistics. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City. They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship, co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.

Enneagram Threes, when not self-aware, are plagued with comparison. They compare themselves to other people who seem to be more successful and feel some sense of shame about that. On the flip side, when they look at people who aren't as successful, they can feel a sense of pride. Because unhealthy Threes believe their value comes exclusively from their performance or achievements, they tend to push their accomplishments out in front of people to gain their love and admiration. But when Threes are self-aware they stop projecting an image to please the crowd and instead become more comfortable with their true-self. Healthy Threes make great role models who enjoy motivating others to become successful in their own right. This week we invited pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, to share how he channels his Enneagram Three gifts of relating to others into his own version of being a successful leader. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City. They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every weekend more than 6000 people attend one of five church congregations across Nashville and New York City. Originally from Australia, Darren has lived in the United States for 20 years. He holds both Masters and Doctorate degrees in Ministry, with his dissertation focus on Millennials and the future of the Western church. He recently released his second book, Holy Roar: 7 Words That Will Change The Way You Worship, co-authored with worship leader Chris Tomlin. Darren lives with his wife, Brandy, and their three daughters in Nashville, Tennessee.

On this episode, Ian and Anthony drink WAY too much egg nog and start calling unsuspecting (former) friends to ask for the perfect gift for their type!

Not only is the Enneagram a great tool for gaining self-knowledge, but it is also a gateway for building strong relationships. When you understand that your way of seeing the world is not the only way to see the world, it creates room for compassion and appreciation toward others. The Enneagram teaches us how to communicate, and in turn, strengthens our relationships with family, friends, and co-workers. This week I invited husband and wife, David Dark (Enneagram 9) and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 6) to join me in a conversation about how the Enneagram has helped them identify the similarities and differences in their personalities and how that knowledge has shaped their marriage. With Enneagram Nines "optimistic to the point of denial" and Enneagram Sixes "realistic to the point of oblivion," Dark and Masen demonstrate how they try to live in a balanced way that fosters a supportive and secure relationship where they both feel valued. ABOUT DAVID: David Dark is the author of Life's Too Short To Pretend You're Not Religious, The Sacredness of Questioning Everything, Everyday Apocalypse: The Sacred Revealed in Radiohead, The Simpsons, and Other Pop Culture Icons and The Gospel According To America: A Meditation on a God-blessed, Christ-haunted Idea. His work has appeared in MTV News, Books & Culture, Pitchfork, and the Oxford American. Following years of teaching high school English, he received his doctorate in 2011 and now teaches at the Tennessee Prison for Women and Belmont University where he is assistant professor of Religion and the Arts in the College of Theology. ABOUT SARAH: Sarah Masen is an American singer-songwriter originally from the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. For several years she has lived in Nashville, TN with her husband, author David Dark, and their three children. Originally signed to Charlie Peacock's "re:think" label, and subsequently to Word Records, she is now independent. Sarah's music has been described as pop alternative and is written from a background featuring influences as varied as Rich Mullins, Keith Green, 10,000 Maniacs, Over The Rhine, Victoria Williams and Julie Miller. Sarah's live performance has elements of the innocent approach of the last two artists, although most of her music comes from more of an intellectual background, discussing life, relationships and faith, in stark contrast with the angst-driven, dark and cynical approach you can find in a lot of the alternative music today.

Whether there's a three in your life or you are a three yourself, you're probably aware that threes are not naturally self-reflective. They tend to be externally focused rather than internally focused. The big message that threes receive growing up is that it's not okay to have your own feelings and identity, so they expend a lot of energy creating, projecting and maintaining a false image in order to be admired and accepted. Projecting this false image makes it very challenging for three's to answer the question, "Who am I behind the mask?" Let's face it, self-acceptance is difficult for all of us, but it is particularly difficult, for twos, threes and fours in the feeling space. So, I think a very important part of the journey for threes is reclaiming and integrating that splintered child that got thrown into the shadow large pieces of him that need to be owned again. This week, author/writer Jonathan Merritt joins me in a discussion about processing the pain behind the mask and pushing past the lies we tell ourselves in order to move closer to self-acceptance. A contributing writer for The Atlantic and a contributing editor for The Week, Jonathan Merritt is one of America's most prolific and trusted faith and culture writers. He has published more than 3,000 articles in outlets such as the New York Times, USA Today, National Journal, Christianity Today, Washington Post, and CNN.com and is the author of numerous critically acclaimed books including Jesus is Better Than You Imagined. Jonathan holds graduate degrees from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and Emory University's Candler School of Theology. He resides in Brooklyn, NY.

Eights are motivated by a powerful need to be strong and, when unhealthy, can have a hard time lowering their guard in fear of appearing weak or vulnerable. Healthy Eights understand that there is strength and power in vulnerability. Yes, it takes courage to risk vulnerability. But if Eights want to love and be loved they will have to risk opening their heart and revealing their innermost feelings to a trusted few. Today, Ian welcomes young adults pastor, Chris Cruz, into a conversation about letting go of the pressure to be strong, choosing mercy over vengeance, and embracing the awkwardness of being vulnerable. About Chris Cruz: Chris Cruz is a husband, father, pastor, speaker and blogger. He serves on the leadership teams at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry and Tribe Young Adults at Bethel Redding. His role includes preaching, mentoring interns and pastoring students. Chris loves to see the church be a cultural influence for positive change in the world, and he lives to see heaven and earth become one. In his free time, Chris and his wife, Lana, love exploring and experiencing different cultures and cities. Chris is an avid creative, pursuing outlets that vary from graphic design to handmade leather goods. He also has a love for craft coffee and a slight fascination with raw denim. Chris Cruz is the Young Adults Pastor at Bethel. He's a passionate person, all the way from coffee to life with God. Chris loves teaching leaders and churches the way of Jesus and how it's leads to heaven overlapping with earth. He worked as a Pastor for seven years at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry. Chris and his wife Lana live in Redding, CA with their son Solomon and daughter Pearl.

Last week, StoryBrand's Don Miller joined Ian to discuss the importance of directing your own story. Tune in today as the conversation turns toward understanding how each Enneagram type tends to lead and how that can impact the broader culture of a workplace. About Don Miller: Donald Miller is the CEO of StoryBrand, and every year he helps more than 3,000 business leaders clarify their brand message. He is the author of New York Times best-sellers: Blue Like Jazz, Scary Close, and A Million Miles in a Thousand Years, and the #1 Wall Street Journal best-seller, Building a StoryBrand. Don is considered one of the world's leading experts on the subject of story. His audiences are challenged to lean into their own story, creatively develop and execute the story of their team, and understand the story of their customers so they can serve them with passion. Don's thoughts on story have deeply influenced leaders and teams for Pantene, Chick-fil-A, Steelcase, Intel, Prime Lending, Zaxby's, and thousands more. Don lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, Betsy, and their chocolate lab, Lucy. For more about Donald Miller, check out his website at www.storybrand.com.

The Enneagram is not just meant to help people understand themselves and then do nothing about it. Rather it is a tool for fostering deep, inner work. In order to make lasting changes in your life, you need to know the story and themes that run beneath the surface. The Enneagram reveals what story you are programmed with and how a self-limiting narrative drives a lot of thoughts, actions, and behaviors. In today's episode, Don Miller and Ian Cron talk about the importance of directing your own story and ask "What story do you want to live? and "What story are you actually living?" About Don Miller Donald Miller is the CEO of StoryBrand, and every year he helps more than 3,000 business leaders clarify their brand message. He is the author of New York Times best-sellers: Blue Like Jazz, Scary Close, and A Million Miles in a Thousand Years, and the #1 Wall Street Journal best-seller, Building a StoryBrand. Don is considered one of the world's leading experts on the subject of story. His audiences are challenged to lean into their own story, creatively develop and execute the story of their team, and understand the story of their customers so they can serve them with passion. Don's thoughts on story have deeply influenced leaders and teams for Pantene, Chick-fil-A, Steelcase, Intel, Prime Lending, Zaxby's, and thousands more. Don lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife, Betsy, and their chocolate lab, Lucy.

One of the gifts of the Enneagram -- the wisdom that we can gain from it -- is self-knowledge. No matter your Enneagram type, self-knowledge can help you dis-identify with those aspects of your personality that put you in an unhealthy place of habitual reactivity. And once you start to observe those unhealthy aspects, and dive into your work, you'll no longer be ruled by your personality. Our guest this week, John Mark McMillan, is a brilliant singer-songwriter, artist. He's a platinum-selling songwriter, and as an Enneagram Four, he joins Ian to discuss his deep connection to his feelings, touches on the Four's defense mechanism of introjection, and shares a checklist of ways he counteracts when he's feeling down. About John Mark McMillan John Mark McMillan is something of an anomaly: an artist and Platinum-selling songwriter bending genres and defying categorization by carving out his own unique and independent path. With an ear for melody and a poet's eye for metaphor, no topic has been off-limits. While each of his albums over the past decade have continued to explore new territory, it's McMillan's ability to give lyric and language to the human experience that many consider his greatest gift. McMillan, who has made a career of rejecting easy categorization and challenging expectations, co-founded the independent record label Lionhawk Records with his manager Josh Lujan Loveless in 2015. Mercury & Lightning was the third release from the label followed up in 2018 with The Mercury Sessions and The Lightning Sessions - alternative takes of the records with special guests including Joy Williams and Josh Garrels. McMillan recently remastered and re-released his beloved album The Medicine (10th Anniversary Deluxe Edition) available digitally and vinyl. His first-ever Christmas record Smile In The Mystery comes out Nov. 23.

Enneagram Threes, or The Achievers, see a world in which people only value others for what they can do versus for who they are. They tend to be driven, task-oriented, visionaries, goal crushers who want to avoid failure at all costs. Threes are very concerned with what other people think of them and are able to look in anybody's eyes and respond instinctively to whether or not they're being approved or disapproved of in the moment, and then tweaking or projecting a specific image to make sure they stay in approval. But sometimes Threes have a hard time settling in on their type because the underlying motivation doesn't seem to fit quite right. We've talked about subtypes and how they can make a type look and act in three different ways. But, another way we learn about people in their types is through, what are called, Hornevian groups, based on the work of Karen Horney, or stances. What they indicate for us is the social style of each type, or the direction we move in, in relationship to people. There are three styles: the assertive stance, the withdrawing stance, and the earning stance. In today's episode, Miles Adcox joins Ian to talk about each stance and how knowing your stance can help you find your type. Miles Adcox is an entrepreneur, speaker, host, and coach. He is the Owner and CEO of Onsite, an internationally-known emotional wellness lifestyle brand that delivers life-changing personal growth workshops, inspiring content, leadership retreats, and emotional treatment. He and Onsite have been featured on 20/20, Good Morning America, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Dr. Phil Show, and The Doctors. He is the founder and co-host of The Unspoken Podcast, the owner of Onsite Music Publishing and founder of Inspire Productions. Miles has created and managed multiple mental health programs, personal growth workshops, and speaks nationally on mental health, emotional wellness and leadership. Miles has been a featured speaker and facilitator at various international events including Random House; O-The Oprah Magazine's Rising Strong Day with Dr. Brené Brown and TEDx. He has consulted major brands on organizational health and emotional wellness and is a communication, personal growth, and mental health consultant to the entertainment industry. He works with and consults several NGO's and serves on the board of The Onsite Foundation, C4, Dream 514, and is an advisory board member for Musicians on Call. Miles has currently been selected to take part in the Leadership Music class of 2019.

Sevens have a core belief that in order for them to be secure, loved and valued they have to bring the energy and excitement into every situation. There's this expectation and pressure to be on all the time. And though they are generally wired with a great deal of energy, so it does come easily to them, Sevens have a lot more to offer than just their energy and humor. The struggle for a Seven comes when they get trapped in the role of "entertainer" and distract themselves with exciting situations or experiences in an attempt to avoid having hard conversations, painful feelings, and loneliness. The path to transformation for a Seven is to learn how to manifest their joy from a place of abundance, rather than emptiness. Once Sevens learn to notice when they feel the need to escape from the events of life, they can teach themselves to pause and just sit in a feeling without feeling stuck. This week on Typology, Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.

For those of you who are new to the Enneagram and listening, Eights are called the Challengers. Sometimes they're called the Boss. Eights are typically people who are real forces of nature in the world. They live larger than life. The deadly sin or passion of Eights is lust. That doesn't necessarily mean in the sexual sense of the word, although Eights do have a hunger for excess in every area of life. For those of you who don't know, it's a lust for intensity. They just want immediate engagement with other people. They walk in a room and think where's the engagement, where's the juice? They go right to where the energy is and want to either challenge it or engage it or just feed on it. This intensity is easy to spot in an Eight's concern with justice. Eights are very concerned with standing up for the underdog. They love to defend the defenseless, to be the voice of the voiceless. It gives them great satisfaction to stand in the line of fire for people who are vulnerable. And you'll hear that in my conversation with today's guest, Scott Harrison. If you haven't heard of Scott yet, he spent almost 10 years as a successful nightclub promoter in New York City before leaving to volunteer on a hospital ship off the coast of Liberia, West Africa as a volunteer photojournalist. Returning home to New York City two years later, he founded the non-profit organization charity: water in 2006. Turning his full attention to the global water crisis and the world's 663 million people without clean water to drink, he created public installations and innovative online fundraising platforms to spread international awareness of the issue. In eleven years, with the help of more than over 1 million donors worldwide, charity: water has raised more than $300 million and funded over 28,000 water projects in 26 countries. When completed, those projects will provide over 8.2 million people with clean, safe drinking water. Scott has recently been recognized in Fortune Magazine's 40 under 40 list, the Forbes Magazine Impact 30 list and was recently #10 in Fast Company's 100 Most Creative People in Business issue. He is currently a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader. His new book, Thirst: A Story of Redemption, Compassion, and a Mission to Bring Clean Water to the World (published on October 2, 2018), recounts the twists and turns that built charity: water into one of the most trusted and admired nonprofits in the world. For more information on Scott, visit www.charitywater.org.

What's your best friend's number? Understanding the Enneagram can profoundly impact how you relate to others and help you build strong friendships. Knowing your friends' number allows you to understand each other's tendencies and creates space for conversation and compassion. Today on Typology, listen as Michael Gungor and Mike McHargue, co-hosts of the wildly popular podcast, The Liturgists, demonstrate the role the Enneagram has played in their friendship. Michael Gungor is one half of Gungor, and is a co-host of The Liturgists Podcast. Michael is a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who lives in Los Angeles, California. He leads the musical collective Gungor with his wife Lisa Gungor and is a co-founder of The Liturgists with Mike McHargue ('Science Mike'). Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound and mundane experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike's the host of Ask Science Mike, and co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. He's recently appeared before sold-out audiences in New York, Chicago, and London, and is a frequent contributor to RELEVANT magazine, Storyline, BioLogos, and The Washington Post. Mike lives in Los Angles, CA with his wife, Jenny, and two daughters.

In last week's episode, Mark Scandrette shared some simple steps to help you begin using the Enneagram to move from unconscious to conscious living. In part two, Mark and Ian continue their conversation by discussing the importance of doing work within a community and asking the right questions. Mark Scandrette has written five books on practical spirituality that seek to apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life: FREE, Practicing The Way of Jesus, Soul Graffiti, Belonging and Becoming (Co-authored with Lisa Scandrette) and The Ninefold Path Notebook (with Danielle Welch). He regularly teaches and offers workshops and training events based on themes from these books. Before each book is published he usually spends several years piloting the concepts and processes explored with groups in multiple contexts. He is currently working on his 6th book on self-awareness, personality and transformation. He also speaks nationally and internationally at universities, conferences and churches and offers training to leaders and organizations through workshops, retreats and group intensives. Mark teaches a doctoral course on spiritual formation at Fuller Theological seminary and has taught courses at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and Church Divinity School of the Pacific. Wherever Mark travels he speaks with the goal of awakening imagination and inviting audiences to take new steps into life and wholeness. For more about Mark, visit www.markscandrette.com.

Every day listeners email asking, "I know my type, now what?" Well, the truth is that simply knowing your Enneagram type doesn't change anything in and of itself other than to arm you with a little bit of self-knowledge. Understanding where you go in points of stress and where you go in growth helps explain a lot about why each of us has particular struggles. But to really begin to heal and experience true transformation, we have to be willing to face our shadows because that's where the distortions of our reality live and multiply. It's tough to start doing the work but we're simply not going to grow unless we're willing to look in the places that are going to create moments of shame and self-reflection that are uncomfortable. But that's one of the many gifts of the Enneagram. The Enneagram provides us with an opportunity to compassionately look into our shadow…to hold up a mirror to those behaviors that we can change. In today's episode, Mark Scandrette joins Ian and shares some simple steps you can start using today to help you begin to move from unconscious to conscious living. This episode was so full of great insights that we split it into two parts to help you really absorb the content. Mark Scandrette has written five books on practical spirituality that seek to apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life: FREE, Practicing The Way of Jesus, Soul Graffiti, Belonging and Becoming (Co-authored with Lisa Scandrette) and The Ninefold Path Notebook (with Danielle Welch). He regularly teaches and offers workshops and training events based on themes from these books. Before each book is published he usually spends several years piloting the concepts and processes explored with groups in multiple contexts. He is currently working on a 6th book on self-awareness, personality and transformation. He also speaks nationally and internationally at universities, conferences and churches and offers training to leaders and organizations through workshops, retreats and group intensives. Mark teaches a doctoral course on spiritual formation at Fuller Theological seminary and has taught courses at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and Church Divinity School of the Pacific. Wherever Mark travels he speaks with the goal of awakening imagination and inviting audiences to take new steps into life and wholeness. For more about Mark, visit www.markscandrette.com.

Open to new experiences, Sevens are self-confident, optimistic and joyful people who exude loads of energy. They bring a sense of adventure and energy to their relationships and generally try to avoid negative feelings. But that doesn't mean that Sevens aren't emotionally articulate. In fact, as part of the Head Triad, Sevens are very intelligent about a variety of subjects, including emotions. It's just that it's not the first thing they want to talk about. In today's episode, Enneagram 7, Dave Barnes joins us to discuss how integrating the Enneagram into his spiritual development has helped him slow down his internal processor and taught him to keep tabs on whether or not he is staying present in the moment. About Dave Barnes: Dave Barnes is a respected Nashville artist and songwriter who received GRAMMY and CMA nominations for Blake Shelton's recording of his hit song "God Gave Me You." Barnes has also penned songs for Tim McGraw, Thomas Rhett & Maren Morris, Reba McEntire, Marc Broussard, Billy Currington, Hunter Hayes, Matt Wertz, Ben Rector, among many others. Touring extensively over the past 15 years as a headlining artist, he has also opened for Bonnie Raitt, Taylor Swift, John Mayer, Lady Antebellum, Hanson, and One Republic, to name a few. Dave Barnes has recorded three EP's and ten full-length albums, including his newest project, the LP Who Knew It Would Be So Hard To Be Myself, releasing February 9, 2018. He is also well known for his brand of humor, having sold out several stand-up comedy shows throughout the Southeast. Many of his comedic videos are posted to his YouTube video series.