Your Adrenal Fix With Dr Joel Rosen

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so they can get their health back quickly. And I’m really excited to be joined by our guest, Dr. Andrea Ferland. She is a senior scientist at the K I T Research Institute and a staff physician at the Toronto Rehab Institute. She specializes in focusing on treatments for chronic pain, including medications, complementary and alternative therapies, and rehabilitation. And I really want to discuss her new book called The Eight Steps to Conquering chronic pain, a doctor’s Guide to lifelong relief. So, Andrea, Dr. Andrea, thank you so much for being here today.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Thank you for inviting me today.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, yeah. And so I always start the podcast knowing about who we’re speaking about and why they got into their profession and maybe any health challenges or part reasons why you got into this area. So maybe you can elucidate why you are what you are. Give us some ideas.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so I graduated 30 years ago from medical school in Brazil, Sao Paulo, I then emigrated to Canada 25 years ago. And I’m a physician here and I work in the pain clinic. And all that I do is help people with chronic pain. But what got me into this, I can remember and it’s very vivid in my mind, because, first of all, I chose medicine because I suffered from menstrual cramps, all of my teenagers and young adults, and they were very debilitating, very severe, didn’t get better a lot with the conventional medications got better only after I got pregnant. It got cured after I got pregnant. But before that, they were very debilitating. And every month I knew I was going to miss important things or had to go to exams and tests suffering pain. So I chose medicine to help people because I thought you know that there must be something to treat this healthiness. And then when I was in medical school, I never heard about physiatry. That’s the specialty that I chose physical medicine rehabilitation. That’s the specialty of the person with disabilities. And the reason that I chose physiatry was because I was between, you know, neurology and endocrinology. I was thinking about even what patient medicine, but I chose physiatry because I remember it was because of acupuncture. I had a patient that I was an intern, and we admitted the patient for investigation of her pain, she had been all over her body. And We admitted her so we did all kinds of investigations Inside Out upside down. As you probably know, we wanted to find something that was abnormal metabolically or endocrine or any problem. And we couldn’t then she had been all over her body. So when the physiatrist came to the consult, he came with a bunch of needles, and he stuck needles on her. Half an hour later, she was walking happily. And we discharged her the next day. So I said, Oh my god, what is this voodoo medicine? What did you do? And he explained to me in scientific terms, he said, No, you never heard about the pain system. You never heard about the opioid endogenous opioid, beta-endorphin. I said, No, I never heard about this in medical school. So he taught me that our brain is able to produce our own medicines. And with acupuncture, what they did is just release those medicines from the internal pharmacy in the brain. And I said I need to know more about this. And that’s how I got fascinated by pain. And then studying the pain system and studying how can we help people with pain all my life? I’m a scientist. So I do a lot of scientific studies as well. And yeah, so that’s what got me into pain medicine.   Dr. Joel Rosen: That’s excellent. So that was during, your clinical rotations. Yeah. So you decided after that I wanted to get into physiatry.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Ziaja tree and in physiatry, I, you know, physiatry we learn about rehabilitation of people with stroke and spinal cord injury, amputations, and nerve impairment, but I focus on rehabilitation of the person with chronic pain, because I see I can see how this is so debilitating, and it’s an invisible disability that people have nothing to show that is wrong. But you still can rehabilitate them and help them to conquer their pain. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last 30 years since I graduated from medical school.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right um, I asked you before we got on how long did it take you to write the book and you told me about 30 years so it’s always alive. For long learning, did you end up doing your fellowship in pain or chronic pain?   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Is that Yeah. So when I came to Canada, I did a PhD here at the University of Toronto, and then a fellowship in pain medicine. So I am over-studied. Topic.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, wh

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their house so that they can get their health back quickly. And we’re joined with part with Sean Bean in part two, of unlocking the metabolic bottlenecks. And I was so intrigued with all the information, Shawn said last time that I have plenty of notes to follow up on and ask Shawn a little more in-depth questions. Shawn is committed to helping people find answers to pivotal questions that have not yet been asked. He has an innovative approach that combines conventional with integrative modalities. And due to his own circumstances, he has an innate ability to evaluate a case beyond one dimension, but rather multiple dimensions at once. So Shawn, thank you so much for being here.   Shawn Bean: Once again. Thank you for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I’m really excited, John, so that you brought up a couple of things in full transparency that I’m aware of, but I don’t really incorporate as much as I really like to, and given today’s presentation with people that are stressed, and there are EMFs, and mold and COVID. And perfect storms have inflammatory reactions, I would love to sort of piggyback off from what we stopped, and talked about last time, and maybe you could just tell me or tell the listeners Is that what you’re seeing now, Shawn is just sort of the perfect storm of, of these variables, environmentally overlapping with genetics and creating just such a pandemic, pandemic, if you will, or a tidal wave of people that are dealing with health challenges.   Shawn Bean: In my clinical practice, what we’re seeing is we’re seeing the overlap of the underlying cause is going into the nonalcoholic, fatty liver, nonalcoholic fatty liver, I feel has been an under-diagnosed and I feel a probably from the looking at the organic acid test and other clinical data, you’re probably looking at estimate about 7% of Americans have an underlying nonalcoholic fatty liver that is just not being addressed. And when this starts being addressed, people start getting better. And the reason I started bringing that up is as you mentioned before, the phenol pathway. What phenols are, are basically alcohol. And what happens is, due to our genetics due to the environment, our bodies are just not breaking these down. It’s stressing phase one and phase two of the liver. That’s why when we look at the organic acid test we used to see high hip uric acid or maybe low hip uric acid. And it really depends upon you know, the way I explained to my clients is listen, the trash man does not come around fast enough to check trash out. Okay, usually your face one splashing your face too slowly. And in that situation, it usually means that they’re your bile flows all jammed up, or that you’re not your conduit conjugating toxic bile acids because of the small bacterial overgrowth that may have precipitated from the mold and mycotoxins. So when we look at this, we look at the overlying under the overlying cause is these phenols. And phenols had similar similar chemistry to alcohol. So when I’m starting to see the presentation of the nonalcoholic fatty liver, I’m looking at, you know, at the phenols because you’re seeing that just not the body does not the mycotoxins but also your endogenous bacteria in your gut, produce phenols. And we do know that unfortunately, phenol linic acid is one of the most powerful antifungals there is. So one of the things we have to think about is, as a statement I use listen to the body, it will tell you what’s going on. Now, oftentimes, we have these adaptive shifts in the microbiome, what we think is pathogenic is actually trying to help us out. But unfortunately, due to the world we live in, we’re getting bottlenecked. And sometimes when you see these rises phenols. There’s often an underlying cause of a mycotoxin or of a fungal issue going on with Candida because the body knows it needs to produce phenol Linic acid. So what’s the best way? I’m going to shift the microbiome I’m going to raise up one level to compensate for what’s going on. So the bodies may be trying to help us out. We see this a lot in hydrogen sulfide overgrowths. That’s why one of my theories is the reason sulfuric fans help. What do sulfuric fans do? They increase glutathione. They help you to reduce, they help you to keep glutathione in its proper form. So we do know that hydrogen sulfide goes into sulfate. And then sulfate goes into. It’s a building block for glutathione. But it’s also a building block for the glycoproteins in your gut to heal the leaky gut. That’s why glutathione can often sometimes heal the leaky gut. That’s why na di now I just found an article showing that NAD reboots the whole mi

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. Really excited to meet with a colleague. Sean is who we are going to be talking about metabolic bottlenecking and thyroid and adrenals. Sean is an avid researcher, he is constantly in pursuit of deeper ways of looking at disease and chronic illness through the lenses of biology, biochemistry, genetics, epigenetics, and physiology, he has been dubbed the meta-medic metabolic detective of integrative health, oftentimes, he will be the last person to be seen, I can definitely identify with that after the people have exhausted every other therapy, I could go on and on. But Shawn, I really want to just get into the meat and potatoes. So thank you so much for being here today.   Shawn Bean: And Joel, it’s complete honor being with you, because I’ve followed you for many, many years through my own journey. And a lot of your information has been Paradine and getting me to where I am today. In regards to back in the day, you were the adrenal guy, but we all know now that that whole methodology has changed. And what more of the box thinkers were more of the technicians, you know, the people that put you on the diagnostics on the car, and, you know, the people see the big picture, okay, I refer to this as the 40,000-foot view. Okay, it’s like being up the airplane and looking down, rather than, you know like many people are a specialist, you and I are specialists in being generalists. We’re generalized specialists. Okay. So that’s probably the easiest way I explain myself what do you do? I’m, I’m a specialist in media journalism.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. Awesome. Well, listen, I mean, that’s very flattering to know and I appreciate the kind words so I always like to know a little bit about you and I do know some somewhat of your personal story. But for the listeners that may not know, let’s talk about how you became the generalist. That’s what you do.   Shawn Bean: About 20 years ago, I was a natural bodybuilder. To make a long story short, we started the ordered alteration and circadian pattern. I read an article where bodybuilders were getting up at like three o’clock in the morning, you can go back to bed because I’m making no more keep you in protein synthesis. You know, you know, we had a saying that you had to eat every two hours or go catabolic. We know that to be a bunch of nonsense right now. Okay, there are a lot of myths out there that we had no idea about that were disproven. So what happened was, I started getting up at three o’clock in the morning, eating my meal. I read that article from Jay Cutler, who eats like 12 times a day, and I was eating about 10 times a day. And my whole life revolved around feeding myself. I mean, the number of calories I was eating, I was probably around five 600 grams of protein, 400 grams of carbs, and probably about 135 grams of fat to maintain my 225 pounds, you know, four to 5% body fat composition. Because being a mezzo month, we had to eat calories because I had a fast metabolism. And I rarely ever did cardio. So what happened there was because of the circadian pattern, I started to have sleep disturbances, I started having museological dysfunctions, and there are warning signs before I even went into contest time. When everyone get done contest, we went decided to have sushi. So being stressed, my immune system was compromised, we were at the sushi bar for about five hours, and I think I put on between 15 and 20 pounds of water weight in that timeframe because, after the contest, you get done, you can literally see yourself growing. You know, it was insane, because of water retention. And then I started to feel icky afterwards and like and then I started out with mountain direction problems. I went to the doc you know, the whole story, go Doctor GI doctor, nothing wrong, you know, it’s like you got a guy coming in your office now that was like 185 pounds, and then, you know, six weeks later at 240 pounds, you know, the first thing out of the mouth of steroids. Like dude, I hadn’t touched that stuff in years prior for this stuff happens so we can go down that rabbit hole. Okay, and they always want to so I walked into the doctor’s office, and they text my testosterone came back 35 to 35 total, which now we know is basically what is called unit which is basically castration level. No no and explanation. So he gave me like five milligrams of Androgel, which we knew was a total joke, but did nothing. So I started to look at my labs, and I started to know the alkaline phosphatase was low. I brought this to his attention. He didn’t recognize it. I started to notice my thyroid was off even though it was in a normal range. But you know, the bas

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back. And I had to do an inventory on what number this is morally, this is number seven. And there’s always new information, especially when you go on a sabbatical when you’re in research, and you’re looking at what’s going on, and all that good stuff. I’m sure everyone knows who you are. But just in case they don’t, I just wanted to mention that you are the organizer and the producer, and the founder of the root cause protocol, as well as the magnesium advocacy group. And really, I believe your mission morally, is to dispense the truth on what’s going on in the world, and what’s going on with mineral balancing. And maybe you can just sort of piggyback from there.   Morley Robbins: Yeah, no, I appreciate the intro. And oh, my gosh, seven, seven conversations. That’s amazing. I, I like to separate fact, from fiction. And I think what dominates the worlds of healing and nutrition is a lot of fiction, a lot of narrative. And people don’t realize that. And so it’s been an amazing process of discovery over the last 15 years to see, what the literature says because I regard that as a will a bedrock of reality. Because if you’re going to uncover some uncomfortable truths, you’re going to publish it. And there’s a lot of goals, and then and then now hills, and I’ve been blessed enough to be able to identify a lot of articles. I came across a piece of paper that I put together, it was February of this year. And it was top 100 articles that I had read. And I just wanted to challenge myself. And I think I did like 65 just by memory alone. And I’ve been working to fill out the rest of the other 35. But you know, it’s there about 25 or 30 authors who I’ve come to rely on, and they’re all truthers. They’re all really committed to making sure that people know that the cold hard reality of what really runs the body, what runs the planet, if you will, in terms of metabolic standpoint, it has been fascinating to kind of weave that together in a tapestry, and help people understand what’s going on.   Dr. Joel Rosen: No, that’s awesome. I know one of your sayings. And you’ve mentioned the story about how when you asked noted research, and I don’t remember who it was, what’s new, and he mentioned to you it’s not what’s new, it’s what’s enduring. And what’s great is that I would have been more skeptical to think that newer produced research would be to stand the test of time and endure because of the politics and the gaming and the motivation behind the research. But it sounds like the research is still enduring as it trudges through time, I guess, is that correct?   Morley Robbins: Absolutely true. No, it’s, it’s interesting. I mean, researly evolved during the course of the 19th and 20th centuries, and now the 21st century. But it’s, it still has this bedrock of commitment to what’s really going on. I think things did change, though, during the Reagan era, when the funding for research moved away from the government and went more toward Big Pharma. A lot of research is being funded by the fox that’s guarding the henhouse. And like, we’ve got to be careful about the conclusions we draw from that. But for the most part, it is this paragon of stable truth that we can rely on.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, and I guess it’s you know who the author is. And once they’ve established their credibility, you’re more relying on the truth of that. So right, so one of the things that we’ve been meaning to touch base on for a while, is the PacM enzyme and how volatile and pivotal that is for everything that goes on in the body. So maybe give the listeners who even if they haven’t followed, followed all six previous ones of these ones, but why, why it fits so nicely in the jigsaw of this mosaic.   Morley Robbins: It’s interesting. There’s a theme around blue when it comes to copper. We’ve talked about the blue protein, so Reuleaux plasmon, we’ve talked about the blue complex, which is complex for of the mitochondria. We’ve talked about the locus Cyrillus the Blue Dot, which is at the top of our brainstem on either side, there’s literally a blue dot that’s full of copper that’s critical for maintaining our, health and well-being. And I’ve often thought that there was a blueprint, but I wasn’t quite sure what it was. And so my first awareness of the importance of a blueprint, if you will, goes back to 2010. I read the book mastering leptin, a great book, and talked about, the hormone that tells us to stop eating.

If you would like to try the Formula IQ difference, my favorite RCP supplements ie: Beef liver, Adrenal cocktail, cod liver, etc. click here Be sure to use “Welcome10off” for 10% off your first order   Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And what a pleasure it is to be joined with Mike Casey. He is a multi-dimensional entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Formula IQ, a Health Solutions leader and accelerator with a focus on expanding the boundaries of health through aligning partnered brands and products. Mike rose to become a prominent leader in the integrative health space, through his early years in the Health Solutions, supplement manufacturing, and disruptive marketing and technology industries. After assisting several health solutions, and disruptive tech companies accelerating from early stages to millions in sales, and after realizing the fundamental need for specialized attention and creativity in unifying brands, marketing, and product creations to the health solution front, Mike created what is now Formula IQ in 2013. Mike, we could go on, but I want to get to the meat and potatoes today. So thank you so much for joining me.   Mike Casey: It’s my pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, absolutely. So what we always like to get insight with our guests, Mike is how they got into the area that they got into in the health and wellness space. And being a disrupter and having this supplement company, tell me a little bit about your journey, and maybe your health background or any challenges that you might have been dealing with for you to ultimately get to the position that you’re in today.   Mike Casey: Sure, absolutely. You know, it’s funny, I used to tell this story in a different way of how I got into this space, we all have our own unique way of what prompted us to be in this industry. You know, I used to tell people that I have an athletic background, and I do I’m still a competitive athlete now. And that led me to supplements and wanting to work in the industry in the space. But, you know, as I’ve dug deeper over the years, I’ve gotten older and more perspective on things, I actually realized that you know, it was more of my upbringing, it was more of my, my teenage years as a child, you know, we were fed extremely unhealthy stuff. We had no idea at the time, you know, you know, I’m like I said, a competitive athlete now. But I was an extremely overweight child. And as I was coming up, my father had heart problems. He had a heart attack at a very early age. My mom also struggled with many different disorders and things as we were coming up. And the real answer to the question is, have we had all the money in the world as a family, but we had no answers? My dad had all the top procedures done and still had no answers, you know, being in his early 40s, and having to have a triple bypass on his heart, and not knowing why failed solutions for health for my mother, you know, it just led me to, to know that there had to be a different way, there had to be a better way. So I set out in my late teens actually knowing that I wanted to do something in the integrative health space, which is rare for people to know that his young age, but I was certain and so I dove in headfirst and began studying human nutrition food sciences and supplements just caught my interest because, to me, they created a bridge of health that was there for people who didn’t currently have it before.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Awesome, awesome story. So yeah, not to not to discount the fact that you knew at such an early age, and that was as a response to just what your family members had been going through?   Mike Casey: Yeah, no, it was, it was realizing that you know, my father was one of the earliest people, he was one of the first patients to ever have robotic bypass surgery done. So you know, we had access to some of the greatest techniques, some of the greatest advancements out there. But, you know, looking back, I realized that the one thing that we never got, right was the nutrition, we never got the diet, right? And ironically enough, I tell this, this story, you know, here and there now, but my parents, my family were anti supplements, for some reason, they, they just, they classified them as bad they classified them as something that you shouldn’t do is dangerous. You know, I remember in my early teenage years, I got grounded for having protein powder. So if that tells you how anti-supplement they were, and it was, it was just a fact that they didn’t understand what they were utilized for. So it forced me to want to know why I needed answers. And the traditional medical system didn’t have them. So, you know, I knew that ther

Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And it’s a pleasure for me to be joined by Michael Platt MD, who’s board-certified in Internal Medicine. He specializes in wellness and hormone therapy. He’s considered one of the leading experts in managing excess adrenaline and the use of high-dose progesterone. He’s the author of three books, the miracle of bioidentical hormones, the Platt Protocol for hormone balancing, and the one that we want to be talking about today is adrenaline dominant. So, Dr. Platt, thank you so much for being here today.   Michael Platt, MD: I’m glad to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Thank you. So I always start with hearing maybe your own health journey, and why you may be the Reader’s Digest version of why you got into health care in the first place. And tell us about any health challenges or why you got into this area in the first place.   Michael Platt, MD: Well, I Well, in terms of becoming a doctor, it is just something I always wanted to be and but what actually guided my, my way into anti hormones, was the fact that my mother died of breast cancer at the age of 61, she’s pretty young. And I realized right after she died, that I had inherited her hormones. You know, most people don’t realize that many women have identical hormones, different levels, but the same hormones, and the fact that she had breast cancer, you know, told me that she was low and progesterone to too much estrogen. And, and, and the thing is, at that time when I was driving, I used to have to slap my face trying to keep my eyes open. And, and I thought, well, maybe B is some kind of relationship here. And, I figured I was putting on too much insulin. And I thought, well, because she’s low. And I said I’m probably low on progesterone, just like my mother is. So I started using progesterone. And since the first day that I’ve done that, I’ve never gotten to sleep in a car anymore. And that got me really interested in hormones. So I, you know, learned as much as I could, and I had a great advantage over a lot of other doctors because I had a good night. I was able to spend at least two hours with every patient. And let me tell you something, you know when you sit down to talk to a person and find out what their problems are, and then see, see how they react to certain things. You learn a lot. And you know, if you one thing you might notice in my books, there are no references. Because everything I’ve learned, I’ve learned from my patient. You know, that they call that observational-based medicine. Doctors are more comfortable with what the quote was to say.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Like peer-reviewed research base article.   Michael Platt, MD: Yeah. But anyway, so that’s, that’s how I got involved with hormones and.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, Gotcha. So and you are outspoken about that, maybe we’ll just go into it a little bit in terms of just being dissatisfied with the medical system. And finding out that your mother, you know, passed away with potentially a condition that had she’d been properly worked up, she could have stayed around for longer and have the benefit of having two hours with each patient and asking questions and pulling in relevant information that you can’t glean in a two-minute encounter. And you’ve mentioned how the idea is unknown in the medical community and Miss diagnosing. So maybe we can start from there in terms of why is that happening? Do you feel?   Michael Platt, MD: Well, something that a lot of people are not aware of is that doctors first of all, get no training in hormones, even though hormones control everything in the body, doctors get no training and hormones. And what’s interesting especially gynecologists, and that women go to get hormone advice. The and the other thing is that doctors are not trained to treat the cause of illness. It just trained to give out bad days. And a lot of this, of course, is because drug companies have tremendous control over how medicine is practiced. And you know, they control the FDA, they control the medical boards, they control medical schools. And what’s interesting about it Drug companies, have no interest in people being healthy. And that’s who runs our whole medical system. And that’s why, as we speak, the United States is at the bottom of the list of all civilized countries that turn to health care. We have a terrible healthcare system. Been unpopular and people are not aware of it.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it is. It is discouraging. And I do think it’s sort of like a ship turning in the ocean, it takes a long time to really see progress. But I guess, just glancing out into the future, do

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their house so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined here by a special guest, Jeff Hoyt, he specializes in developing innovative wellness solutions to meet the needs in the health and wellness industry. His goal is to help people live a healthier, happier, longer life and make available effective and efficient solutions for healthcare, recovery, and improvement. Jeff believes in challenging the status quo and doing things differently to get results that have never been seen before. He has developed several innovative brands that are all revolutionizing wellness with a focus on zeolites and the effectiveness that detoxification strategies. And that’s what we’re going to be talking to you guys today about. So, Jeff, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you spending time with us today.   Jeff Hoyt: Absolutely. Thanks for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so I have done a lot of research before we got on the call. So I would ask you intelligent questions. And then right towards the end of it, I opened up a whole treasure chest of rabbit holes of the studies that you’ve been doing. And I’d want to get into that. But Jeff, I always like to hear your house story. Before we got started, you said that you had some challenges, maybe tell our listeners why you got into the area or a little bit of history of your health challenges so that they can identify with where you’ve come from.   Jeff Hoyt: Sure, yeah. It was just my journey that brought me into this otherwise, I’d probably be selling insurance or doing something in the financial realm. But I’m glad I’m not. So just growing up had several issues. I was on antibiotics, just from basically from birth. And a lot of just a lot of issues there. I had a relatively healthy childhood after you know, each five or six, but then had some events in high school had a vaccine injury during high school, and then basically just had a lot of autoimmune issues going forward, forward started, I went down the conventional medicine route for a little while. And that just did not work. I saw a lot of people, you know, it’s the normal stuff, you get sent to the shrink and say it’s all in your head. And you know, your listeners probably might sound familiar, but then I found functional medicine. So one of my co-workers said, Hey, you should check out this guy. He does functional medicine. He’s like, Alright, let’s do it. And the functional medicine doctor did things a little differently. And I appreciated that he put me on a food sensitivity test. And that helped me a lot. I ended up going and working for the food sensitivity laboratory for a couple of years because it helps so much. That’s how I kind of learned more about functional medicine. Because I was working with functional medicine Docs and I did some functional medicine training myself. Then I got into the supplement industry, basically from personal health, a family health experience, actually, my grandma was diagnosed with late-stage cancer. And she was given between six hours and seven days to live. And she was in her 80s. So she said, you know, she’s ready. But then she decided she was going to fight it. And basically, long story short, you found this guy kind of in the middle of nowhere in the country, taught me a few things that are, you know, even for natural or functional, holistic medicine. They were out there, but she lived over two years longer. And she’s the only person in recorded history to live over two years with that specific answer in that stage. So, it was a great story. She felt like she Fulfilled God’s purpose for her life. And that two years, and it was honestly awesome. But anyway, from there, I launched one of my first supplement companies like life Sciences, just doing immune regulatory supplements, ended up opening a clinic, the recharge clinic, kind of a biohacking facility with oxygen therapy, red light therapy, saunas, all that fun stuff, just trying to find what works because there’s so much good stuff out there. And still for myself, trying to find what works as well. And then I stumbled across zeolite, about five years ago. And it just was a complete game changer. So out of all the technology I was utilizing, out of all the supplements, I was using just high-quality stuff, nothing for my clients worked as well as zeolite when used properly. So I said, Alright, there’s something to it. And then I just started getting in there figuring out why just developing theories. And that’s where I’m at now. So then I’ve recently launched my second supplement company, which is zeolite labs. And that’s the product there is zero charge. So it’s a next-generati

Dr. Joel Rosen: And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today, what a real pleasure. I’m joined by Andres Olson, he’s a trainer. He’s an author, he’s an innovator is the founder of conscious breathing. He’s been on an incredible journey since he decided to be the world’s foremost expert in breathing. His mind was racing his whole life. And he was fortunate to come across different tools to help him with his inner calm. And he’s really settled in on the conscious breathing retraining program. And I’ll let him explain his entire story today and how this will help you with your stress response and being exhausted and burnt out. So with more with no further ado, Andres, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate your time.   Anders Olsson: Thank you, Dr. Joel, for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So I always like to get a little bit of your background, and I know you were in the import of computers and gadgets, and so forth. And what was it that made you finally realize that you’ve got to, you’ve got to change the trajectory that you’re on?   Anders Olsson: Well, you know, I was just chasing money and having these long to-do lists and a lot of inner stress and didn’t feel fulfilled, felt empty inside. And although the money I chased, they started to come in. And that’s what you think may be the key to success to happiness, but I found out it wasn’t. So that’s when I started to look at health and become interested in health. And it coincided with my when my son when he was six years old, and he was diagnosed with Lyme disease. And he didn’t feel well at all. And at the time, my view of the hospital and the doctor, and the healthcare system was very, like I lived in the computer world. So it was very binary, either you take a test, and either you’re healthy, or you’re sick. And that was not the case, I realized when I came there with my son that there was a lot of guesswork and a lot of ways of interpreting the results. It was not black or white, which of course makes a lot of sense because our bodies are hugely complex. But for me when my son didn’t feel well, it was a way for me to try to help him and dig into how the body works. And ever since I’ve been stuck in that because it’s so so so fascinating.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. Thank you for sharing, I do a lot of Nutri genomic interpretations, which in English means we look at your genome. And we look at the overlapping environmental talk triggers, if you will, that ended up causing the loaded genetic gun to go off and creating this perfect storm of genetic susceptibilities and environmental triggers that create exhaustion, fatigue, burnout, and under. One of the areas in that studies that we look at is the entire we call the Fenton reaction side of the pyramid, which is, of course when oxygen mixes with iron. And it’s another way that our respiratory cellular ability to use oxygen breaks down. But the whole point of what I’m trying to get at is the gentleman that formulated that software, he won a lot of studies in Islands, which is in the conferences of Lyme disease, and he found that majority of people that get hit harder, everything else being equal in terms of health challenges, are these ones that have these genetic susceptibilities of not moving iron out a tissue, so they can’t open the doorway for iron to get out. They can’t convert vitamin beta carotene into vitamin A, they have difficulty with transporting copper, very difficult time recycling their iron. And it has to do with pretty much what you’ve discovered, which is that if you’re not breathing at that cellular level, effectively, any other environmental triggers are gonna make you that much worse. So I guess the question would be in that process with your son and with your own health, where did oxygen or how did oxygen come into the equation?   Anders Olsson: Yeah, it was a few years later when I read a book actually how to swap asthma for life by changing your breathing, and it had a profound effect on me on my ability to calm down. I had this racing mind for the majority of my life and looking back I realized that what I wanted more than anything was a way simple, yet effective way to calm down. And I tried many different things changing my eating habits, training habits, drinking habits, working habits. But it was when I found out about changing your breathing habits, that was the key for me, it has such a huge impact. So almost immediately I noticed the effect, just by turning my breath and changing it, I could notice the effect on being able to calm down. And I thought this is way too good to keep to myself, I really want to spread it to the worl

Dr. Joel Rosen: Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined by an exciting colleague of ours and mentor and friend, Dr. Kelly Halderman, who has a background in functional medicine. She earned her medical degree in 2007. And she completed her family medicine internship at the University of Minnesota in 2019. She’s an educator, she’s a formulator. She’s always on the cutting edge. And I invited her to come back onto our show because we could hear about what’s new and exciting in Kelly’s world. So Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today.   Dr. Kelly Halderman: Thanks, Dr. Jill. It’s great to be back. I think this may be my third time since.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Part three, yes, this is part two, yes. Yes. And we’ll put the other links to the parts and maybe we can kind of springboard from there. Because of the part ones and twos, we were talking about detox 2.5, and the role that that plays and how so maybe, let’s just maybe give the Reader’s Digest version of that. So that can kind of bring us into what we’re talking about today.   Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, that’s a great place to start, I’m kind of known for being the detox, Queen. So obviously, it’s important and you know, phase 2.5. So we all know that we have detoxification mechanisms in our body. And up until about five years ago, I didn’t even know about phase 2.5. And I named it that because it’s the phase of detoxification that saved my life. We know that the liver is the workhorse of detoxification, when we think about it, we have phase zero, where the toxin is entering the liver phase one where it’s being transformed phase two words being made water-soluble because the goal when you have toxins in your bodies to get them out via your bile, now you can sweat them out, you know, there are different ways to toxins out but really in the liver, we need to make them water soluble, because the bile is mostly water, it’s aqueous, it’s an aqueous solution. So your liver makes the bile gets squeezed into where it lands in the colon. And then we’re looking at it ending up in the toilet, so that’s great. So But the caveat is, is that when the toxin is made water soluble, you have to get, you have to get that pretty toxin, like into the bile. And there’s this step. And it is so important that I named it because I’m like, let’s pay attention to 2.5. And that step involves getting it through its called the membrane canaliculus to get to the bile, right? So that’s up right there, we have to make sure that that transporter is open, what shuts that down that phase 2.5, getting the toxin out into you know, into the toilet and sort of back into your blood is inflammation. So that’s a huge thing. dehydration. So if you’re dehydrated, and you don’t have any bile moving, and you’re kind of stuck with that, with that toxin, there are some other things but really that that premise right there of getting that movement going in the body. And I wrote a book about this, and it’s soon to be released. And we’ll come back and talk about that. But go back to another podcast, we go in-depth on that. But detoxification and of itself is something that again, it’s it saved my life to get it going and properly. Get those phases going and not just do some random detox and July, I’ve learned from YouTube, we’ve kind of put our heads together about like, what’s the best way to do this? And we’ve had so much success, with weight loss, I mean, hormonal balances everything in your body, it really depends on you keeping the movement of toxins out right.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Now that’s an excellent chair. And it kind of points to the fact that a lot of people have it on their radar that are sick and dealing with major health challenges. Oh, I know, I got to do a liver detox, I got to do a juice cleanse, I need to get rid of these toxins that are building up in my body. People know they’re toxic, and realize that they have to do some kind of protocol. But what they don’t realize is sort of that perfect storm of inflammation shutting down that 2.5 window, but also that combination of there might be some genetic susceptibilities that make that a lot more difficult and you need to support that and it’s not just take your artichoke, dandelion and milk thistle and juice cleanse and everything’s just going to be fine. So nuances. Yeah. As it relates to you, Kelly, what was it on the 2.5 that besides the inflammation, or were there any other factors that had made it more challenging for you up until learning about the 2.5 little window that they go through that made it difficult for you to you kn

Dr. Joel Rosen: Welcome back once again to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And again, what another pleasure that I have here today with Dr. Bob Miller, this is our third edition. But each time we do it, there’s so much more information to go over. And that’s why I reached out to him again, but Bob is a traditional naturopath specializing in the field of genetics specific nutrition, and he’s earned his naturopathic degree from Trinity School of Natural Health, he opened his tree of life and has served naturopathic traditional approaches for 27 years. And for the past several years, he’s been engaged exclusively with the functional nutritional genetic variants and related research, Bob, I know I could go on and on, but we want to give the listener some incredible value today. So thank you so much for your time.   Dr. Bob Miller: Oh, it was an honor to be here, and so much fun to work with people like you who understand this and see the value of it and want to pass it on to their viewers. So we’re gonna have some fun today.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Yes, I appreciate that. So I will be quite honest. And I haven’t been on every single one of your webinars. But what I do is because you have a archive, I’ll really go down those archives and really go in sort of a binge, if you will. So I’ve been on a binge recently, and like, I got to reach out to Bob, because there’s so much more that we know. And I think it’s probably just best for you to take over the steering wheel and tell us what you’ve been learning about environmental factors that overlap with genetic susceptibility that create these perfect storms of people that are getting sicker and sicker and sicker and seeing more and more people that have very little answers for them. And maybe just take it away from there, Bob.   Dr. Bob Miller: Okay, sounds like a plan. I’m gonna do a screen share here and see, there we go. You’re seeing the screen. Okay. Yep, we’re seeing the screen. Okay, the two things we want to talk about today as grantees, and ferroptosis. And these may be terms that some of your listeners may have never even heard of before. And we’re going to be trying to explain what they are, how we get there. And then, of course, what we can do for it. And of course, you know, I was mentioning, this is educational, informational only, we’re not telling people how to diagnose or treat any disease. So as I often say, this is the 3d chess game played underwater, because a lot of times people are looking for, oh, what’s the snip? What’s the gene? And then what do I do for it, and I’m learning over time, that it’s much more complex than that. I mean, there are a couple of snips in genetics that might be related to disease. But many of the things we’re seeing today are just, as you mentioned, tired adrenals worn out, because they’re making so much mast cells and histamine. And I believe these are two pathways that will create that the production of something called grantees and ferroptosis. But as you mentioned, this is more than just genetics, its environmental factors. There’s an old saying of genetics loads, the gun environment pulls the trigger, and we’re being exposed to so many new environmental factors, you’ll you’ll get a kick out of this, one of my jokes is when I, when I talk to people, I’ll say, you know, I was born in 1954. And that means I was born on a different planet than we are today. When I was, when I was born, there was no such thing as high fructose corn syrup. We didn’t give the animals growth hormones, we didn’t genetically modify the foods. We didn’t have all the Wi Fi and cell phones. Our waters weren’t polluted with plastics, we didn’t have all the agricultural chemicals. We are just living in a soup of chemicals that nobody’s ever done any long term studies as to how they impact us. And when you look at how people are getting sicker, I mean, autism used to be one out of 1000. Now, it’s one out of 4445. You know, when I was young, we used to call it adult onset diabetes. Now children are getting autoimmune disease is going through the roof. Something is happening. Our genetics haven’t changed. They’re the same as they were 100 years ago. But the environment has changed drastically. And unfortunately, some people have genetic predispositions that they can’t handle that as well. That’s why you’ll see two people living in a house. And one person is terribly impacted by the mold. And the other one says, this is all in your head because I don’t feel a thing. And when they don’t feel anything, they don’t know that it’s that it’s real. But

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. I’m here with a great patient of ours to go over his experiences with us, Mark Mariani. He worked with us a couple of years ago. And we have him on the call to be able to discuss some of his experiences with us. So thanks so much, Mark, for joining us today to have a conversation.   Mark Mariani: My pleasure, my honor. I’m glad to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, thank you. So I always like to go back to your initial paperwork and the things that you wrote in terms of where you are when we first started. And maybe you could talk a little bit about your past history, I know that you had a pretty quiet, quite stressful background, which you felt kind of got you into this mess in terms of pushing so hard and being hard-driven. So maybe let’s talk a little bit about what were you dealing with. And how did you get to where you got to before you and I started working together?   Mark Mariani: Yeah, gotcha. So I’ve lived a pretty crazy life. And it’s a lot of stuff. So I’m going to try to cram it is, you know, as small as I possibly can, and in a short amount of time. So a former Marine, when I was in the Marine Corps, I was with an anti-Terrorism Unit. So traveled all over Southeast Asia, doing these anti-terrorism security measures, as you can imagine, you know, I was in some pretty sticky situations, and you know, it was pretty stressful. So got out of the Marine Corps, went back and went to college, and got a degree in criminal justice with a concentration in private security. Now, when I got out of the Marine Corps, I knew that I had a little bit of, we’ll say, PTSD, hypervigilance, and, you know, just dealing with a lot of the stuff that I did, but I never really addressed the root cause, you know, I was, you know, a Marine, you know, I’m tough and, you know, I can, I can persevere, this isn’t gonna affect me. So as I went to college, you know, never really kind of dealt with it had some sleep issues. You know, I wouldn’t say full-on insomnia, but, you know, definitely wasn’t getting really good sleep. But again, I just never kind of dealt with the root cause. After I graduated, I ended up getting hired by Gavin de Becker and Associates, which is an executive protection firm, based out of California, and I got assigned to a multi-billion dollar family and I ended up running a 10-man protective detail. And as you can imagine, it was full on I lived out of a suitcase, nine months out of the year, you know, running, you know, this, this detail and dealing with his family and just all over the place to timezone changes, you know, it was, again, very, very, very stressful. And the sleep issues got even worse, I ended up you know, just trying to put my, my finger in the hole, and, you know, just all these, you know, simple, you know, fixes that never actually got to the root of the cause I ended up going on sleeping pills. And you know, that’s, that made things even worse, and then, you know, my energy was getting depleted, so caffeine, coffee, etc, etc. So I did that for six years, you know, was pretty burnout realized that wasn’t really my calling got out of that line of work. And then I ended up going back to school, getting a degree in exercise physiology, and getting into the health and wellness field, which I’m currently in. And that actually brought me overseas. So I lived abroad for 11 years, kind of traveled around Southeast Asia worked for multiple different brands as a master instructor running fitness retreats, I’ve opened up a gym, you know, teaching certification courses, and, you know, we’re working with 10s of 1000s of people. Now, in that process, I, you know, kind of burned myself out, you know, I was, you know, traveling everywhere, again, giving everything that I had to everybody else, and I wasn’t necessarily taking care of myself, and you know, kind of doing that, that deep work. And then it just got me to a point roughly about two years ago, prior to when we started working together. Where like it just I crashed, I crashed, I had nothing left in me. You know, just to get up in the morning and get through the day was the drag. The insomnia was horrible. I was only getting a couple of hours of sleep at night. I was stuck in hyper-vigilant mode and didn’t quite know how to get out of it. And yeah, everything just went sour. I ended up getting this position to come back to the US and it was a great opportunity. Didn’t know if I was going to have the energy to do it. But it brought me closer to family back to the US and again a great opportunity. So I decided to do that and I knew that I needed to find somebody that was going to you know in the background you know helped me make some some change. Just figure out exactly you know, what was going on, you know, with with with my body. And then I started doing a lot of research, yo

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about their health and the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get them back to an energized way of living quickly and fast. Today I have Daniel the natural path or Daniel Thompson. He’s an American race French trained TRADITIONAL FOODS oriented naturopath, who uses modern and traditional ideas, combining scientific knowledge and intuition for a refreshing solution-focused perspective on today’s challenges. He also runs two companies, one in Texas, and one in France called the Heart of tradition in New US, which really seeks to bring topical magnesium and a blue glass of high quality and purity to the US markets and help others through his discoveries of living 15 years in France. He’s an avid self-taught researcher, Chef, Tango, dancer, basketball, basketball, or opera lover, and to stop loving personality, I have to ask him more about that with a love for the mysteries of life, the wonders of recovery, and homemade raw milk cheesecake. So Daniel, thanks so much for being here today. I appreciate you spending time with us.   Daniel Thompson: Thank you. Thank you. I’m really happy to be here. I was excited to get this message.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Yeah, I had I had our team reach out to you. So I always like to start Daniel with giving us your health journey, you know, being a natural path and being dedicated to bringing new discoveries to the market, kind of give us a springboard on maybe the Reader’s Digest version of your history and how you got into this in the first place.   Daniel Thompson: Yeah, I went to school as a naturopath in France. And it’s, it’s, you know, it kind of got me into the more to the health side. And I had been studying little things before, but that kind of all connected it and eventually developed this supplement company. In France, we kind of hit the top of the market, they’re doing the transdermal magnesium as well. And it was kind of the first on the market there. So it was kind of a six it was a success and easier success. And then started to come here to do that. I also learned a lot about the Weston Price Foundation and other doctors I learned a lot about nutrition and how to use nutrition as a way to overcome it. I guess you could say, what we see in the American market is a high level of supplementation. In Europe, we find a very intense level of vitamin combinations in food, which do not are not found here. One small example is if you go to Central Market here in Austin, which is the best spot I guess. And you find traditional foods like all prepared and prepared foods, you know, you see no gelatin and you go to Europe, you go to a place like that gelatin is on everything. And so you’re like, well, what’s the difference here? Where’s the gelatin, you know? And so we’ve gotten into a certain way of making things where we have stripped away the assimilators and things that help us to get, you know, you talk about acidity, I’m sure because you work with adrenal fatigue and, and gelatin is the key to that. I mean, some of these ways that we get this stuff to work in the body, and even get the veins the glycine, and everything to work right without the certification has to do with basic principles of nutrition that are used in a daily repetitive, somewhat medical way, but through food.   Dr. Joel Rosen: No, absolutely. So as far as going on the next topic you did mention when we were figuring out what’s the best conversation to go down the difference between the European way you just cited an example and the American way. What other ways are you seeing that play out beside the gelatin Daniel?   Daniel Thompson: Difference? Well, as we mentioned before, with the Fogra, like, you know, this is another element that’s very powerful. I know a lot of Americans don’t know about it, but we’re finding out more about the fogger I’ve seen miracles happen using photographs for people I’ve seen women that had the body completely intercepted by soy and like no breast, for example, at 30 years old, and start taking the flag raw like on kind of a gamble like this guy’s crazy and watch themselves change within months and to grow these this back that there was never there and just mind-blowing stuff because the interception of the K two has happened through the genetics through soy and through the lack thereof to like, you know, soy kind of changes some of the parameters and the form. But then we also have the lack itself, the deficiency itself and so it’s really hard to get a good dose of K to MK four and its active form. You can find pills and stuff but this active level is just a different thing. different game, and you see it quicker, it moves faster, and you can go much quick

Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of about your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And it’s really exciting for me to interview a new friend of mine, Dr. Seth Gilson. Seth was born and raised in South Florida. He graduated with a degree in Biology from the University of Florida. And then he completed his dental school at NOVA Southwestern. He has been an avid sports and health enthusiast, and he’s played soccer in both South Florida and New York, at the collegiate and professional levels. So he has a mission to not only help oral health, but overall health nutrition environment, when he’s consulting, diagnosing, treating, and coaching his patients and clients. So that’s what makes it so interesting to talk to you today, Seth, so thank you so much for being on the call.   Dr. Seth Gilson: Of course. Thank you, Joe.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so in that bio, was there anything that happened or just you already knew you wanted to get into dentistry, kind of tell us how you ended up winding up in the dental field.   Dr. Seth Gilson: Well, it’s, um, it’s nothing particularly special to be perfectly honest. By I mean, long story short, I was my focus was professional soccer. And after sustaining an injury with that, I shifted, and I was always into health and wellness, I was into nutrition and fitness because that’s where my focus was in my life. But when that shifted, I was also good at math and science. So I’m like, okay, my mom was nice and has been an ICU nurse since before I was born. So I kind of had that, that medical background in the house my whole life growing up. So I transferred to UF and took a course there called Introduction to professional medicine. And it kind of takes you through all the different professions in medicine and things like that, from chiropractics to cardiology, interventional radiology, and obviously, dentistry. And it was something I never really thought about, but I was intrigued by it. So I started getting involved in more research and shadowing different doctors at hospitals and private practice. And it came to me that one of the cornerstones of health that we just don’t realize is our mouse, it’s, it’s how it’s the most interactive other than our skin, it’s the most interactive kind of organ that we have with it with the outside world. And what’s going on with their mouth impacts what’s going on with their body. And one of the ways I refer to the mouth is it’s a doorway and a window. And it’s a doorway, meaning things 99.9% of the time only go in through the mouth. But it’s a window because you can also see the inside from the outside. So a lot of times you can tell what’s going on with a mouth bait, I mean, with the body based on what’s going on in the mouth.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Gotcha. So you knew once you did that kind of broke up when you mentioned the different course that you took, but I guess with all the different disciplines, it was a, an immediate resonance of this is what I want to do. And that I, I see that there’s this whole oral biome, like what was it that was that right from the get-go? Is that sort of evolved over doing it?   Dr. Seth Gilson: Yeah, that wasn’t right from the get-go. Like, my initial spark of interest is like, oh, okay, I can use the knowledge and the things that interest me, but in my mind, like math and science and stuff like that, but there’s also an artistic side of dentistry, and then it’s more interactive with people and it’s very hands-on, and I was goalkeeper in soccer, I was always using my hands. I like doing, I don’t just like seeing or researching. I appreciate researching and reading and things like that. But the activity of doing and being an active participant in treatments and ongoing situations with patients was intriguing to me. And as I said, it allowed me to explore my creative side in the sense because of that artistic aspect of dentistry as well. That was the initial kind of pull toward it.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Okay, and it’s interesting because I look back at my journey, and I know when I injured my back, and I didn’t want to go for surgery, and someone helped me that was a chiropractor. That’s what I wanted to do, right? Because it sort of had that unique experience. So it wasn’t like you had a specific experience with the mentor doctor that you decided to do it was just more of the right, the right feel at the right time. It combined your background with your hands and your skill set to be able to get but you know, I’m just curious, like, no one ever really feels like they want to be in someone’s mouth all day, right? I mean, what did that kind of resonate with you or like, d

Dr. Joel Rosen: So here we are for another edition of the truth about your health with my distinguished and honorable guests, Morley, and Morley Robbins. And we are here to discuss this is actually part four, I believe, or part   Morley Robbins: Might be part 5.   Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. So I know Ari Witten said part 17 or part 16. But we’re on our way there. So I’m excited to have you in my office. It’s a pleasure. So So Morley, I took a lot of notes after our last interview, and we were talking about the recycling of iron. And it’s fascinating how the body needs only 25 milligrams of iron, of which 24 are what we already have in our body. Exactly. And when it doesn’t, you have a negative regulator, and a positive regulator, copper being the positive regulator, and iron being the negative regulator. And we got into talking about how different environmental factors will make it difficult to negatively regulate energy production. And so can you get into that a little bit because you lost me a little bit, and I listened to it again. And I wanted a little bit more clarification because it wasn’t only vitamin D. There was also high fructose corn syrup that you did on your pot in your masterclass. So maybe we could talk about what happens when the body isn’t able to recycle iron effectively, and how, what the consequences of those are okay?   Morley Robbins: Sure. It’s a really, I think it’s a really foundational concept, understands and appreciates you want to kind of dig a little deeper. Because the whole notion of recycling is foreign to a lot of people like our body recycles. And it seems, as I got into the research, it seems that every recycling program requires copper. And so the cells have a stomach, called the lysosome. And that’s where the recycling takes place. And one of our good friends who’s a radiologist advised is said that the lysosome runs on high-energy peroxides. If you’ve got high-energy peroxide, you may have copper nearby to help manage that and regulate that. And there are not a lot of articles that get into that. But one in particular, that’s very, very good at it, is by Kim and Gonzalez from 2021. It’s a very, it’s pretty high brow. But it’s but I think even the average layman can follow it. Because it really gets into how sophisticated the lysosome is, and how copper-dependent it is as well. And why don’t we know this, right? But the nuance is that every second of every day, every second, we’re gonna make two and a half million red blood cells. Well, the numbers get outrageously big. When you start getting break it down to hemoglobin. And then he, we’re talking, we’re talking really big numbers every second, we’ve got to be able to make that. And where’s that? Where’s that taking place? It’s in the bone marrow. And the bone marrow is principally the pelvic region and the long bones. That’s where most of the bone marrow is. And it’s basically fat. But I think the important thing for folks to understand is that when we do a blood test, to find out what’s going on, especially since 70% of the iron in the body is in hemoglobin. That’s it. I call it the bucket of iron. It’s a huge vessel of iron. That’s evil. Another 10% is supposed to be in the storage protein ferritin. And that is supposed to be inside the cells that are supposed to be in the blood. When it’s in the blood, it means it’s outside the cell. That’s not good. But I know we’re going to come back to that. But then there’s a third and so the ferritin is like a teacup. So we got a bucket, we got a teacup, and then we have what’s called Syrah Meyer. And that’s a thimble. So we have 70% 10% 1/10 of 1% of the iron in the serum, the serum. And it’s a really important 1/10 of 1%. Because it’s telling us how efficient the recycling system is. And so there’s a huge amount of iron in the blood. When we do a blood test, only 1% of copper is in the blood. 46% is in the bone marrow. So if you really want to measure someone’s true copper status, you got to do a bone marrow biopsy. That’s fun. Yeah, you first Yeah. No, no one ever thinks about that, right? And if you really want to know what someone’s iron status really is, either do a needle biopsy of a liver or do a Tesla to MRI. Right? They’re very accurate. But that’s the Tesla three, not the Tesla 4567, Tesla for some reason has the best affinity for measuring iron status, like, go faded, right? So that the issue is the recycling system is critical for turning over the iron. And where’s this? You know, so you’ve got, you’ve got the situation where iron is being stored in ferritin. But it’s got to be released, it’s got to get out. And it turns out that there are two different t

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get your health back quickly. And Part Four really with a mentor, a friend, a colleague, and someone that I re proud to say, I know Morley Robbins. He’s the Creator if you don’t know by now, of the root cause protocol and magnesium advocacy group. And Morley is just always digging down deeper into the rabbit holes. And I got a text from him the other day telling me that we’re not only overdue for a chat, but he wants to tell me all about her side and how it’s causing utter chaos in the recycling system of the cells. And it’s too good to turn down. So here we are today, Morley. Thanks for joining us today. I appreciate your time.   Morley Robbins: Absolutely. Yeah. No pleasure to be here. And I think, the triad of what creates metabolic confusion would be iron. uric acid, and, and upside, I can’t think of three factors that have more impact on messing up our Mother Nature-driven physiology, which just seems to be disappearing by the minute. But again, we’ve talked at length about the copper-iron dynamic. And just before we went live here, we were chatting a little bit about uric acid, which we can come back to. I think that uric acid is a stealth metabolite that’s playing in the background of all chronic diseases 100% of it. And there are all sorts of confusion about it being an antioxidant, or prooxidant. Is it? Is it in? Is it a result of our diet as a result of our lifestyle? We can have some really interesting discussions about that. But the thing about the upside is, again, it’s billed as the iron hormone. I’m not, I’m not convinced that. Well, I think what’s important to realize is that it’s a negative regulator, as opposed to a positive regulator. A negative regulator would well let’s flip it around, the positive regulator would be like your mother in the home, regulating the functions of activity, making sure that kids are getting their homework done. You know, all the daily chores are getting done, people are getting fed, what have you. That’s positive regulation. Negative regulation would be relying on the police to control the chaos in the home. That’s a negative regulator. And that’s pretty much the way it works in our tissue is that copper is the positive regulator of iron. That’s very well established. Good going back to 1928 with heart steenbok, Waddell, and LVM, you know, all the way to 2021, with Kim and Gonzales saying, Yeah, if copper is missing iron is going to get out of control, especially in the liver. And what appears to be the case is that when copper is deficient, the body has a backup plan. That’s called this negative regulator upside. And what causes so many of problems for people is when they get a blood test, it can be misinterpreted, the blood that the iron levels in the blood can look low. And the practitioner interprets that as being well which means you have low iron, and in the tissue, below iron in the blood and ine tissue are completely different media. And, and that’s the reoneering work of Bruce Ames back in 2004, who was able to prove that there’s 10 times more iron in the tissue that is in the blood. But if it looks low in the blood, a lot of practitioners will make a knee-jerk decision to encourage supplementation or even encouraged infusions, which are, I think, I think they’re baison to the body. We can talk more about that. But the very presence of iron supplementation triggers the upside. And what hip site does is it shuts down the iron recycling program. And its target is the thorough report and pathway. The job wasn’t being an iron doorway, Ferro important. And what it does is it causes an internalization of that pathway and its degradation. So the cell, especially the macrophage, loses the natural ability to allow for iron egress, so that recycling of the iron can continue. Because what’s playing in the background of everyone’s body is the need to turn over two and a half million red blood cells every second. That’s a big deal. Two and a half million, we’ve been talking now for about 15 minutes and time 60, right, times two and a half million. So we’ve been working pretty hard to replace our blood ovover4 hours. It’s a ridiculous number, several billion red blood cells. But what’s fascinating about that, is it only takes 25 milligrams of iron to support the replacement of 24 hours of red blood cells. So absolutely amazed, 25 milligrams is nothing. And even more amazing is that 24 of those 25 milligrams of iron come from the recycling system. That’s dependent upon the iron circulation, the iron recycling, that’s dependent upon the Federal Court doorway is open. And to kee

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And today, I’m joined by an expert in the field. And it’s a real pleasure. I told him, I’m like a kid in the candy store today. I’m here with Gene Shan Shan, who is a Ph.D. and he is the CEO and founder of GE infinity precision medicine. They are a longevity biomarker company that is aiming to maximize your health span by testing biomarkers and yielding precision nutraceuticals that focus on NAD and senescence testing around the global market. So Dr. Gene, thank you so much for being here today.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: It’s my pleasure. Thank you very much.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so I met you earlier, you probably don’t remember, but you were at the A 4 am meeting. And I got my NAD test result, which was very, very low. And it was a shocker sort of smelling salt to see because I’m helping other people with their health. But ultimately, I’m kind of curious, I always asked my guests a little bit about their background story. And I know you’re in teaching and research. And you’ve been well known for your teddy study that screens hundreds of 1000s of newborns for HLA, Dr. Q, Dr., And DQ, I’m curious how tell me maybe a little bit of how that transitioned into longevity and NAD.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: Sure. So I have been an academic researcher on warm water for decades. And, my research, has been having a wide range of topics most of my research focused on childhood, diabetes, or type one diabetes, and we were trying to identify the genetic and environmental factors that cause type one diabetes, and doing during my studies, I have developed expertise in biomarkers, and was also appendix, and that the knowledge and the experience we gained through over the years can be applied to any diseases or conditions or biomedical question you want to be answered. And now about five years ago, I went to a meeting and met a functional medicine doctor in Florida. And we started talking about longevity, biomarker testing, and why biomarker testing would be important to the whole failed field of functional medicine and longevity, in particular. So I have been interested in longevity now because you know, I’m getting to an age where longevity become important, I needed to do something for myself. Because I don’t want to be one of the people who are going to be not mobile or not functional enough, in their 50s and 60s, or 70s. And if you look at the statistics, most of the aging-related diseases started occurring in the 50s, and the 60s, and our knife then is majorly reduced by the development of new Kornek aging-related diseases. So if we can come up with ways to prevent this condition, we should be able to extend the people’s lifespan, or at least the sales of spam by a decade, two decades, and even three decades. So that’s why you know, my interest has very kind of suddenly and rapidly turned the former childhood disease to an Asian relating that problem. And I’m very happy that I made the switch because I think I’m able to help myself, have my family, my friend, and work to help who the community needs to be a very exciting time. Sure.   Dr. Joel Rosen: It’s exciting to hear your background. Thank you for sharing. I would also add that when you isolate a great predictor and assessment of the biological age and the chronological age via NAD, specifically intracellular NAD, then the type one diet diabetic children would stand to benefit with everything that you’re going to be doing to support the environment and the boosting of intracellular NAD would still not only help with longevity and health span and aging well but for sick people to heal quicker as well is that a correct statement.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: Was needed. So we haven’t we looked at adding a few 1000s of even the biomarkers, three, four years ago, to come up with the data, maybe at most 2002 biomarkers that are most relevant to health performance, and longevity. And what came up at the very top is an ad. And, you know, that makes sense, because NAD is a coenzyme, that is important for the function of over 400, adding them without the NAD on is in times within a function at a wall. So even if policies don’t function, then we don’t have health we even don’t have nice. So it is not only important for aging-related diseases, it was important for pretty much war settlement functions and health, and was important for almost all war major diseases. And We have indeed found only the deficiency in people with many different diseases. Right, it’s still   Dr. Joel Rosen: We could say it’s a very sensitive marker that will predict whether or not you’re, you’

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue and fatigue and exhaustion in general, and how to get their health back. And this is part three with my buddy Don Moxley. He’s the director and applied science and brand development at longevity labs in the US. And he’s dedicated to helping people live a vibrant, fulfilling life and using his background as an athlete and sports scientist instructor to help educate people on the science of basically a toughie, G, and longevity, and we got a couple of new things going on in Don’s world. So I invited Don back to have a conversation and for you to listen in over our shoulder. So, Don, thanks so much for being here. Once again.   Don Moxley: My pleasure. Dr. Joel loves spending time with you. We’re going to be down in Florida for Christmas. So we will have worked our way from the far northwest. We were in Blaine Washington about three weeks ago. And had I messed up because we got a picture up next to it’s called the Peace Arch, which is right on the US-Canadian border right there on the Pacific. And then the next week, I was down in San Diego. And I was about an hour from the southwest border. But I didn’t get a chance to go down and get that picture. But my wife and I are talking about maybe going down to Key West when we’re out there. Just go ahead and get the pictures in all four corners.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, you’ll have to go back to the bottom there and San Diego and get that one again. Just say prove that you did it.   Don Moxley: There you go. I mean, you know, that’s it’s all about proof. Right?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, you have to you can’t just say it you got to do you got to prove it. So. So we had the conversation a little bit before we got started about just how your life has changed. And in our last couple of interviews, you tell us about the different phases of your life and how you’re headed into that sort of that last third or the let’s call it the back nine in terms of doing things differently and to your plan. Maybe we can start with that. And then just Springboard with What’s New in education and what you’re teaching.   Don Moxley: Back nine, but I’m playing 27 holes drill.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, right. Yes.   Don Moxley: Well, yeah, it’s, it’s been interesting. I don’t remember when on our last podcast, we started our journey. But back in my daughter was finishing up grad school, and she was living with us. She moved out on January 2 of this year. By January 21. My wife and I have sold our house, we bought a 42-foot fifth-wheel trailer. And we started traveling in May. We just spent almost five months out west of Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, and Washington. We’re working our way back. We’re talking today. We’re back in central Ohio today, as we talk to you. But Sunday I’ll be in North Carolina. We’ll be there for Thanksgiving, we’ll be down in Florida for Christmas. And then we’re going to start to work our way back out west. But we decided we wanted to go find our next home. We want to wake up in the morning and drink our coffee, looking at the mountains. But you know, I didn’t want to I don’t want to buy a home office Zillow. I want to go figure out where we’re Where did where do we find a spot to fix our lifestyle? So that’s what we’re doing. We’re off on an adventure trying to find letting our next home find us.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right and at the same time, it’s you’re working as well. And I think it’s a really good segue into as we talk about stress and the impact that it has on the body, and how we can determine if the stress is helping us or hurting us. And I guess is a good sort of intro into what’s new in your world. You go and you lecture for the company that you work for. And I’m sure you have new topics of conversation and new product launches. So let’s get kind of caught up on where you are there.   Don Moxley: Yeah, the big thing that happened, Joel is that so we launch longevity labs a little over two years ago. And during that launch, there is a podcaster by the name of Dave Asprey that featured us and we took off it was a really good feature for us. And when you back then when you subscribe to longevity labs, our product sperm and I in life, and we can talk a little bit more about that because we’ve got a little bit more research along the way. But you got an invitation to have a phone call with me so I wound up having telephone calls with I don’t know 700 800 People. Now Asprey is an aura ring HRV promoter. I believe he’s on their advisory board. And what we found Joe was probably 80% of the people I was tal

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today, I’m excited to be joining forces here with Beth Shirley, who is a registered pharmacist at CCN. And she has developed expertise as a pharmacist and certified clinical nutritionist during her 40-plus-year career. Her specialties include stress-induced hormone imbalance, intestinal dysfunction, autoimmune and chronic inflammatory issues, and detoxification, something I’m excited to talk to her about is nutrigenomics. And the supernormal oxidative stress, which I was gonna ask you what that is, Beth, after I introduce you, you’re a pioneer in the cutting edge of the evolution of what has now become the integrative pharmacy, where the junction between traditional pharmacy and the clinical use of nutritional supplements, but I could probably go on and on. But I want to get to the heart of the matter. And that’s nitric oxide. So thank you so much for being here today.   Beth Shirley: Thank you for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So why don’t you maybe I always like to ask our guests a little bit about your health journey. Maybe you didn’t have your health challenges. Or maybe you did. But what inspired you Beth to go down the firstly being trained as a pharmacist, but then getting into clinical nutrition? And then going into the world of, I guess, integrative medicine, what, what was your evolution or your Genesis for that?   Beth Shirley: Well, I became a pharmacist because I thought I was going to help people. And after 20 years of seeing people come back sicker, and sicker on more and more drugs. In 1997, I became a certified clinical nutritionist. And I became the pharmacist to go to if you wanted to get off meds or not go down a road, to begin with. And along that same route to what would steer me into that is, when I was 37, I was depressed, and I went to the doctors and all they had was depressants, and I thought that for a couple of years, and then I thought, you know, then I went on him. And then after I hit 40, I was gone. You know, there’s something else going on here. And so that’s when I read the book, what your doctor may not tell you about menopause by Dr. John Lee. And it taught me about bioidentical progesterone. And I started using that. And notice within like, nine months, I was off the antidepressants, and I had a progesterone deficiency, not Paxil deficiency. So that all happened kind of at the same time, you know, about 1996. And so since then, I’ve been just taking care of the physiological process, supporting physiological processes, not doing anti this and anti that, because the body wants us to be healthy. And since 2009, I’ve been in the nitric oxide space. And once you start learning about the power of circulation in microcirculation, you will, you will know that this is the base of everything. If you’ve got impaired circulation and microcirculation, it doesn’t matter what else you’re doing, nothing’s gonna get to where it needs to go.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. And I’ve talked about to my audience before in terms of, if you’re in a room that doesn’t have very much oxygen, water, food, or I guess exposure to the cold, the one that you want the most is the oxygen. And if you’re not using oxygen for energy production, you’re using oxygen for oxidation. It’s almost like you’re instead of getting an income, you have an expense and it can create a Demand and supply problem in your body. Just an aside, though curious, in your wanting to help people become a pharmacist. I’m just kind of curious, when was it along the way that you were realizing how deep and like how long into your practice that you realize that This isn’t helping people with what you were doing?   Beth Shirley: Well, I was a pharmacist for 20 years before I figured out that this just I mean, it that that was all combined with my health issues, where all they had was pharmaceuticals to treat me and that’s not what was going on. So I wasn’t being helped myself. And neither were all these people that are coming into the pharmacy. They weren’t being helped.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. And so as far as you alluded to the fact that typically the paradigm for pharmaceuticals is to block The mode of action whereas potentially hormone support or understanding the physiology and and looking at endogenous production of nitric oxide for signaling and blood flow and oxygen delivery, is more supportive. So let’s maybe springboard off of that Beth and talk about what we know about nitric oxide for the person that doesn’t know what it is. What is it? And why is it so important?   Beth Shirley: Well, nitric oxide is a bas

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that we can get them their health back quickly. And today I’m excited to be joined by two by a seagull. He is the co-owner of promo life and pure oh three, which both specialize in health-related ozone products. Promo Life provides high-quality USA-made ozone therapy equipment and pure oh three provides high-quality USA-made organic ozonated oils. Tobias is the lead product developer for both companies. And he takes the time that’s needed to speak with his customers to figure out what is being demanded in the marketplace. He grew up in Montana and eventually settled in Arkansas, where he attended the University of Arkansas. And after college, he co-founded Purell three, while working for promo life and effect and settled into what he loves doing. The positive natural health influence that came from his parents was a big influence on his life. And he just is enjoying it, I guess wrapped up in the world of ozone. So Tobias, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate your time.   Tobias Segal: I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I’m excited because one of my actual coaching clients recommended that I do a podcast on ozone and I’m familiar with ozone. And what I wanted to do today was just give the listeners, especially those that are exhausted and burnt out and looking for answers beyond just what other supplements I gotta be taking or being told yet again, that there’s nothing wrong with them. So I wanted to just go down that world of ozone and the therapeutic benefits. But before we do that, you and I had a conversation about how you got started on it and the trials you’ve had or what you’ve seen with your father, so maybe give us a little insight on why you got involved in the world of ozone.   Tobias Segal: Yeah, no. So I mean, it did start with him, like him being fatigued and having energy issues. And so you know, and that seems to be such a struggle for so many people. And, you know, it took him a while to figure it out. I mean, of course, it was, you know, obviously had a lot to do with his adrenals he had some Candida issues, you know, what he had to focus on was, you know, fixing his diet, cleaning it up. But ultimately, all that stuff works. But, you know, sometimes it doesn’t fully fix the problem, you have to almost add something extra to make it work. And so he was doing some research, he gravitated toward the idea of ozone. And this is like in the early 2000s. This is like way before people even really knew about it. And so I mean, it was becoming somewhat, you know, known but very rare compared to now. And so, you know, he started doing these things with ozone where you add ozone to the body, you can do this thing called rectal insufflation is weird as that sounds. I mean, a lot of people, you know, do enemas. So it’s essentially the same thing, but we’re using gas instead. So he did rectal deflations. And he also did this thing called ozone saunas, which is also referred to as transdermal ozone therapy. And basically what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to get the body to absorb high-purity ozone into the body, and it gets into the bloodstream. And what this is doing is, especially for his issue, because he had Candida, you know, he had overgrowth, and it stimulates the body, it helps, you know, eliminate some of that Candida growth, and it almost puts your immune system into a more balanced state. I think the whole idea of, of Oh, boosting your immune system, that’s almost the wrong terminology. Sometimes we want to balance out our immune system more than anything. So it helped balance out his immune system, he went on a better diet that didn’t have the sugars and the other carbs with it. So when he, when combine all that stuff, he noticed a massive increase in energy. And it set him up to believe that wow, ozone is a real therapy that everybody should be looking at it. Honestly, the number of people that I talk to about ozone, like these are people who have gone through the medical system who have been told, Oh, there’s nothing we can do. And so they come. And they finally asked her asking questions about all these other therapies. And ozone seems to be that, that top one that like, within like the top five that a lot of people start gravitating toward because it’s so effective. I don’t typically like calling it the silver bullet because I think you have to do other things with it. But it’s one of the more powerful methods that you can incorporate, that shows a lot of benefits, you know, modulating the immune system, it goes after viruses and bacteria, which I think viruses are a big contributing issue with a lot of people, you know, bacter

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so they can get their energy back quickly. And it’s a real pleasure to have Vanessa Bartlett join us today on giving us information on what you could do to recover your energy by being active. And through movement. She is a holistic lifestyle and exercise coach, and she helps people re-energize their body and their mind with adrenal-friendly Fitness and Lifestyle practices. So Vanessa, thank you so much for joining me today.   Vanessa Bartlett: Thank you so much, Dr. Joel, this is amazing to be on here with you.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, and you know, I gotta admit, I apologize to you on the air. Because I know you’ve had reached out a couple of times to be I had seen it. But you know, quite truly, I’m the spinning a lot of different plates and have a lot of ads in different cookie jars. And it just was the proper timing, and kudos to you for persisting persistent because I think that tells a lot about your journey, your recovery for energy, and maybe why you got burnt out in the first place. So why don’t you tell our listeners a little bit about your story first about your trials, so we can identify with where you’re coming from?   Vanessa Bartlett: Yeah, absolutely. So I was really into health and fitness as a youngster and I got my aerobics qualification when I was 18 years old and into the gyms right away. Actually, when I was 14 years old, believe it or not, I lied and told my local gym, I was 15, just so I could go. But before that, at age eight, I got up at 6:30 am religious to take a robotic cell style, which is a really famous 30-minute aerobic show here in Australia, back when I eight years old. So anyway, so it’s in my blood. But what happened was, I was doing a lot of work with that in gyms in my early 20s teaching heaps of classes, you know, pump and spin and boxing and all that stuff and thinking, wow, like I’m living my best life. I’m getting paid for what I love. I’m getting paid to exercise and be around great people every day in all these gyms. But then what started to happen was I started to notice I got really tired after teaching what was pretty okay for me generally. So I’ve gone through this, you know, from the early 20s to mid-20s. And then started to feel this kind of heaviness in my body and these symptoms and signs that would flare up and make me think oh my gosh, what’s going on, I can normally get through this pump class quite easily or you know, as circled or something like that, that this fatigue, this kind of heavy fatigue started to set into my body during and after these exercise sessions. Then at that time, too, I was also starting up my own mobile trip personal training business around Sydney managing trainers. So doing a lot spinning a lot of plates and all that was young without kids at that point, I started to realize my energy wasn’t what it should be for someone in their mid to late 20s, who’s you know, relatively healthy doing exercise for a living. So something just wasn’t sitting, right? So this went on for a couple of years, actually. Until one day I was in a client assessment doing her blood pressure and you know, talking to her about an exercise and I’m kind of sitting on the table going, I’m so sorry, Alice, like, I’m really tired today. I’m just so exhausted. It’s I’m tired all the time, actually. And I started talking to her about my problem. And she’s like, I’ve been the same Hey, there’s this doctor in Asheville who’s really holistic, go see him, he’ll tell you what’s going on. Because I’ve been to GPS. And they just kept telling me, You’re just you know, you’re just having a tiring day, don’t worry, just rest. And I’ll get sick a lot too. So it’s getting colds and flu, like once every six weeks, which was ridiculous, and chest infections. That wasn’t good. My immune system was down. And they kept giving me antibiotics as well. So that wasn’t sitting well and going hang on. I don’t want to keep taking this stuff. I’m not quite right, something else is going on. I just had this inner voice saying that this just isn’t right. Anyway, so long Behold, this doctor helped me out and did this test on me and said, Vanessa, your adrenals are shot. And I’m like, What are adrenals I didn’t even know anything about what that was at that point. And he said You’re doing too much in your life. You’re doing too much exercise, you’re burning the candle at both ends, you’ve got to stop what you’re doing. And you’ve got to change what you eat and you’ve got to go to bed earlier and like whoa, what huh? So

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And today I’m joined by a special guest, Jim Howard. He is a 20-year-old healthy 28-year health technology executive, and current CEO of Rita weed out health in St. Louis. Jim’s career started in the pharma industry before transitioning to digital health in the early 2000s, to digital health back in the BlackBerry days. He’s now the co-founder of readout health, which is the maker of sense, which really what we’re going to be talking about today, which is a medical device that tracks fat burning, trans providing real-time feedback, gamification, lots of really cool things on exercise, food behavior modification, specifically as it relates to the exhausted and burnt out adult So, and Jim lives in St. Louis and has lived on a low carb lifestyle since 2018. Jim, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate you spending time with us.   Jim Howard: Yeah, thank you so much. Look forward to our chat here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So as I always like to start off with your health journey. I know you’ve had multiple surgeries on your knee. So why don’t you give us a little background on just it sounds like you live in integrity with not just manufacturing and supporting health industries in technology that can really transform our health? But it sounds like you have a story and you have the integrity of practicing what you preach. So why don’t you kind of give us a bit of a background on how you got there and just sort of the gym Howard? I guess the elevator version of what’s going on? How did you get here?   Jim Howard: Yeah, so this is, you know, I was an athlete is played college soccer, and I ended up having six knee surgeries way back then. And is a was a Ginosar typical athlete, I ran a lot had, you know, bone on bone joints. And my wife was cute genic for a different chronic disease that was more serious and had adopted a ketogenic lifestyle specifically, and I watched her weight kind of fluctuate up and down. And I noticed that she was doing her fingerprick in the morning. And I always kind of wonder like, you know, ketones go up and down. So you’re getting the snapshot in the morning and she was really struggling with retaining that weight loss and we just something was put on my lap. Essentially, what happened again, is I was starting to adopt out of convenience, the ketogenic lifestyle, and I was having a really fast impact to my on my knee being able to run the ski for the first time in a long time, just is pure inflammation at the same time. The venture firm that I work with had this science project put on our lap, like, hey, these guys figured out, there are two guys that figured out how to measure just the right part of your breath that could replace a blood measurement. That kind of sounds like Theranos, right? And it was like lots. So check that out. And that ended up being the early part of Biosense. And my investment firm, we actually invested in it, I invested in it personally. And then I run the company now and I live the lifestyle of fasting, some cute ketogenic diet I use it’s kind of a variety, mainly fasting. And using that as the therapy and using you know, our own tool like you do, you know, like using it and dosing this, this very therapeutic level of ketosis.   Dr. Joel Rosen: How long ago was that? What like, what time frame? Are we looking at Chrono?   Jim Howard: Yeah, that was 2019. Really right after I had started to adopt the ketogenic at the time, it’s just a pure ketogenic, ketogenic lifestyle. So now we work with whatever the is always carb restriction, but it doesn’t really matter to us. So yeah, that was a few years ago. And then we want spice since two years ago in the consumer market and have learned tons.   Dr. Joel Rosen: So that’s, where we are. Yeah, And that’s what we want to hear. So as relates to the people that I work with, there’s a common myth, a sacred cow of, oh, I have an adrenal fatigue problem, which, of course, as soon as you bring that to the doctor, they look at you like you’re crazy, or they’re going to be the that difficult person that’s doing this internet research. But they’re also told, Hey, you got to eat small meals more frequently, because your cortisol levels are low, your blood sugar is going to drop, and then ultimately, that creates a whole host of other problems because their glucose is always going to be high. So but on the flip side, there’s also misinformation about Oh, I gotta eat 80% keto, or I gotta eat 80% fat and the ketogenic lifestyle is really where it’s at. But I guess for you with the tool that you’ve developed and all the in

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out men and women, the truth about their health, and the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today, I’m joined by a special guest, Karen Martel. She’s a certified hormone specialist and transformational nutritional coach who specializes in women’s weight loss and is an expert in this field. So I’m excited to get your insights, Karen, and welcome so much to our show today.   Karen Martel: I am super happy to be here, Joel. I’ve been a big fan of yours for a long time. So I’m happy to be here and share my own story of adrenal fatigue.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, listen, I’m excited to hear your story. And that’s always a good starting point. So tell us a little bit about your background, and why specifically, Karen, you got into women’s hormones and weight loss and all of the good stuff.   Karen Martel: Mm-hmm. So my story began when I had after I had my first child, which I think a lot of women can relate to that. And you know, I’d lost the baby weight and everything was great. But I was a single mother, I was running my own business. And the stress, I think of being a single mother started to take a turn for the worst. And I suddenly started to have all these health problems. And it was overnight joy. It was like within a felt like weeks. Suddenly, I had all of these problems, which was extreme insomnia, where I could not sleep at all, I would maybe fall asleep at about four o’clock in the morning for an hour or so. And then my daughter would wake me up. I started having really bad digestive issues where I would look like I was three months pregnant. By the end of the day, every day, I was getting food sensitivities where I would get hives all over my body. I was getting menstrual migraines for sometimes that would last up to 10 days, 14 days at a time where I couldn’t get rid of them, with without any medication, nothing, it was some very, very severe, I was getting horrible PMS symptoms, and I was rapidly putting weight on. And that was, like most women, that was where my focus laid in weight gain. Like it was all that other stuff was hell and I hated it. But for me to suddenly, you know, and I was a healthy eater. And I have always been really into nutrition. I was doing bodywork, I was a Rolfer. I’m sure you know what that is because you’re a chiropractor. So I was doing body work on other people. And so I was very health conscious and conscious. And so without changing my diet, and exercising still and all of this though, I was suddenly putting on all this weight, and I was at the heaviest point that I’d ever been. And I did whatever a woman does, which was I worked out harder. I went, I joined a boot camp, I got myself a personal trainer was working out six days a week, eating, you know, barely anything calorie counting, trying every diet under the sun. And I mean, every diet, I went through them all because I just kept looking to the diet to the exercise to solve all of my problems. And it just kept getting worse. And I kept gaining more weight. And I finally decided and I’m 33 at the time, I’d go to my doctor, I said, you know, okay, what’s happening, I was putting on an antidepressant and sleeping pills. Thankfully, the sleeping pills worked for my sleep. But of course, the antidepressant didn’t do anything except, you know, kill my sex drive and probably make me fatter. So I stopped that and decided, okay, I have to figure this out. And I ended up going to a friend of mine who is a naturopath and I said, Do you think I should test my hormones? Because thinking I’m 33 is if I’m gonna have hormone issues. I just didn’t put that together. And he said like, yeah, of course, you should. So I ended up doing proper hormone testing, which we can get into, but at that time, it was saliva hormone testing. And what came back was that my estrogen was quite high in comparison to my progesterone, my progesterone was really low. And my data was super low. And my cortisol was like a flatline. It was low. So there I was doing everything wrong. For what my hormones were telling me at that time. I was working out like crazy. I was starving myself I was under high, high amounts of stress. And what’s funny, Josie never considered me a stressful person. Like if someone had said to me Oh, it’s your adrenals it’s your burnt out I would be like no I’m not I’m not a stressed-out person. Because I kind of associated that with like that high-strung person that’s just go go go and that was never me. Now looking back, I’m like, Well, yeah, here I wasn’t sleeping because I had a new baby. I had no help from her father. So it was you know, raisi

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And I was joined here by a special guest, Danielle Hamilton, who I had the opportunity of meeting at the metabolic health summit. And she’s been on a journey where she originally saw 14 doctors in one single year and realized that she was sick of sick and tired of being sick and tired. And she ended up learning how to get her body back and she went through the nutritional therapy Practitioner program. And now she is the blood sugar specialist, and I hope to get all of the nooks and crannies out of her today. So Danielle, thank you so much for being here today.   Danielle Hamilton: Thanks for having me. I’m so excited to connect again. It was so nice meeting you at MHS.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it was, and, uh, you know, we still have some unfinished business because you were telling me about some of your, you know, maybe some of your continuation of not being at 100% Perfect Health and but anyways, we’ll get there. So why don’t you take us back through your journey and why you got into the area that you did?   Danielle Hamilton: Yeah, you’ll maybe understand a little why about why I have you know, have to dig myself out of a lot as I’m sure a lot of your listeners do because we don’t grow up eating, you know, these perfect diets, and then we just have this one indiscretion and it’s my life I grew up on processed breakfast carbohydrates. And I always said that I had a sweet tooth, I would go to a barbecue and eat the bun with ketchup but not not the burger.   And it’s just I had a lot of colds and sicknesses, ear infections, flu, lots of rounds of antibiotics, and lots of strep throat. When I got to my senior year in high school, I had strep throat six times a year and had to get my tonsils out. The next year I developed allergies, you kind of removed that one piece of the immune system, and you know, things went awry, I was eating worse, drinking more alcohol, staying up late, and stressed out. So that created to set the stage for a messed up gut, I had tons of allergies. I had asthma, I was needing to be on allergy and asthma medications. I moved down to Miami, Florida for graduate school. And there as you know, the season is year-round for allergies. I was allergic to palm trees as it turns out. And so I was getting so many allergy shots because my allergies were just out of control even with the medications. And so I had to get five shots because I was allergic to so many things. I was giving myself five shots in the stomach every other day because long story that I won’t go into but they allowed sort of a nurse to give me the shots. And then I asked the nurse to teach me how to do it. So I was doing it myself. Not legal. But I was still suffering so much. And I was developing more and more allergies because I wasn’t healing the root cause I was having sinus infections. I’m like, I’m in my early 20s. What the heck is happening to me? No doctor could answer why it was happening. It was just kind of like, oh, this is kind of bad luck, or, you know, oh, just the card you were dealt in life. And it didn’t sit well with me. I just kept asking why. And I didn’t feel like it was enough of an answer that sort of satisfied that question. And at the time, I was working as a speech pathologist in a skilled nursing facility. And I saw all of my clients of my patients back then had tons of diagnoses, we had to do all the chart reviews and write down all their diagnoses, write down all their medications. That was the longest part of my job writing down these long lists. And so I was looking at them and all their medications, I was looking at me and all my prescription medications. And I was like, oh my goodness, what’s gonna happen to me when I’m their age, you know, my 70s 80s I’m gonna end up exactly like this. Maybe worse. Because I’m already on all of these now, I came across the book, The Paleo Diet Solution by Rob Wolf. And basically, it just flipped everything I knew on its head, I learned to embrace fat, embrace salt, and get rid of processed foods. And so I did the opposite of what I had been taught and what I had been doing my whole life. And it was like magic. My gut must have healed and I got rid of the allergy shots. I never was allergic to anything anymore. No asthma, no sinus infections, no other infections, and things that I was dealing with. And it was I wanted to shout it from the rooftops. It was amazing. And I saw the true healing power of food. So I had a stressful year, the next year, and all of a sudden I started I was still eating paleo, and I started to gain weight I started to have I always had some acne, but now it was like all the

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition about the truth about your health podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt out adults the truth about their health so they can get their health back quickly. And what a privilege it is to work to talk to Dr. Joseph Anton today, he is the CEO and Chairman of the Board of L Neutre, a unique nutrient nutrient tech company leading the food as medicine movement by applying cutting edge sciences and nutrition research than the first uncover what humans should eat to live healthier longer. And second, to help patients achieve better health outcomes. He is the chairman of the board at the Global healthspan Policy Institute, and is a member of Forbes business developmental council. So Dr. Joseph, thank you so much for being here.   Joseph Antoun: Yeah, thank you for hosting me, Dr. Chill. And hopefully, in the next 45 minutes, we’ll change somebody’s life.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, I know you, we will. And I know you have your own personal story. And maybe let’s take our listener through that so that they can identify with maybe what you how you got into what you got into and then we could really talk about the ABCs and the x, y Z’s of too fast or not too fast, and why it’s important in longevity. So maybe you start with your story.   Joseph Antoun: Well, thank you, I started as a as I always had the passion to help patients, I wanted to become a physician, which is how I started my professional professional career with and I wanted to be a cardiologist in doing my rotations. And I did those at Harvard measure a hospital that was like, you know, I’m being taught to mainly, diagnose, meet a patient meet somebody after they’re sick. So was practicing sick care rather than healthcare, then give them a diagnosis and then put them on different pills that they have to take for the rest of their life. I felt that medicine has done a great job stabilizing us after we get sick. But I have but I didn’t feel that it was curing most of these patients. And I definitely felt bad meeting them after a heart attack after they get blood pressure, etc. And most importantly, I felt that I always had that question to my attendings. It was like if the if this pill works, why they have to refill it every month, right? That was that was my biggest question is like, it’s a subscription forever for your blood pressure pill, it’s a subscription forever for your blood sugar pill. It’s a subscription forever for your cholesterol pill. In looking at that patient like I was, it’s not difficult to figure out what happened to him, he’s getting older, it’s difficult for him to get the weight off. He has more responsibility as a father now or as a mother. And then he’s financially stressed and you gotta talk about his lifestyle have him go back to exercise to eating healthy, to sleeping better to, to cherish that love that family love. And this is what today’s lifestyle medicine that I’m cherishing so much and I’m a big part of so I decided to leave medicine after I graduated and go into health balls in public health did Harvard and Hopkins in it my goal was to reform healthcare systems to be more preventive, and to adopt lifestyle medicine. In and I hit a bump there i i helped actually have a successful career helping you know, 10s of countries internationally and ministers of health, but the bump was always that prevention was never productized people love to consume they don’t love to hear the same thing over and over meaning you’re telling people as a preventive tool to exercise to eat healthy to stop smoking. And everyone knows that like by today there’s no it’s no news to anyone that challenges and micro timing namely daily basis if I see a burger in front of me and a phrase and I’m hungry I’m gonna just be tempted right? If I’m tired after working nine hours and or 12 hours or 16 hours I’m not gonna go to the gym late at night. So how can we turn healthy behavior into a product and then that became my goal because then they can consume health we can all consume health and therefore stay healthy. In this is where I decided to to to learn how to develop health care products, and to launch them in and and I joined the biotech industry and learn that and then finally started looking for a true preventive slash lifestyle medicine product that can keep us healthy for healthy longer and if we’re sick, given alternatives to the pill industry. And, and nutrition became my passion because it’s the only product we consume every day. From the day we’re born to the day we die, it must carry the biggest impact on our body, right? It’s the only thing you can think about it that we consume every day, every day of our life. And I felt that the power of nutrition should go beyond I lose w

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your house where we help exhausted and burnt-out adults understand the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And this is part two of a two-part series with Martha Carlin, which is a joy to have her here, we’re going to tell you her story in a little bit. And we’re talking about, you have to fix our soils and fix our foods before we can fix our guts. Because if our gut health isn’t doing well, we can develop a lot of metabolic issues and autoimmunity and specifically in Martha’s personal experience, early onset of Parkinson’s and her husband, John. And as a result, Martha, Martha formed the bio collective team, which is driven to access the microbiome to fuel innovative health solutions, their team has developed easily, are not easy, but has developed ways to easily comprehensive collect samples, to be able to understand what’s going on in those and then create a database and to be able to unwind and figure out how the microbiome plays a pivotal role and what goes wrong. And ultimately, in part two, today, we want to talk about learning how we can alter the landscape, as Martha says, to be able to develop proper health again. So Martha, without further ado, thank you so much for being here once again and sharing your time with us.   Martha Carlin: Thanks for having me again, Jill.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. well, listen, I’m, I’m very grateful that you’re here. And I had the opportunity to just listen to our first part one interview. And I think I felt the same way after I listened to it as I did when we were interviewing you that there was so much deeper, richer, I guess, the analogous of soils and minerals in the content that we were talking about, that we just had to go on. And ultimately, we were talking about altering the landscape. And so maybe you can catch us up with all that you’ve been through to realize that, hey, calth, is all about altering the landscape and what that means to you or means to the future of, of your, of your team and what you’re doing with the bio collective?   Martha Carlin: Sure. Well, you know, I think this is an age-old argument, if you will, that goes back to I think it was Claude Bernard and Louis Pasteur, who were kind of lifelong scientific rivals in the hypothesis of you know, the pathogen makes the disease versus the terrain, and Claude Bernard was a terrain guy. And it’s interesting because there is a famous quote, I think it’s Claude was right, the pathogen is nothing or something on his, the pastor said on his deathbed. And I’ve used that several times, in talks, because when you start to look at the microbiome, and individual organisms, what you, what you start to see and learn is that it’s not just a single organism, they work together in communities, just like humans do. And they work together for good or bad, just like humans do. And so a lot of that has to do with what genetic capabilities they have, what they use and produce that benefit, or to the benefit or the detriment of another organism. And so that was one of the foundational things that our chief scientific officer, Dr. Rowe Cano brought to the company is he was a very early pioneer in something called microbial ecology, which is how microbes work together, but also in using the terrain, to foster the right kind of community for what you want to happen. And actually, one of the early things he did in his career was using microbial systems to clean up oil spills. So he was an early pioneer in that, but to do that, he actually would kind of come up with the growth media that would support the growth of the right kind of bugs that would then eat up the oil. So if you think about that, in the context of the human body, you know, our, the food that we put in our body is what’s forming that landscape. Because whatever we eat, you know, we think we’re eating it for ourselves. We’re feeding different types of organisms in our body and that’s, you know, bacteria, fungi, viruses, you know, they like certain types. substrates, you know, sugars, fats. And it’s also interesting that you know, that most microbes are multifunctional. So they have kind of the full toolset, they can use, you know, carbohydrates, fats, missing the other protein. But there are, you know, there’s a handful of organisms that are very specialized that are lipo lytic, or, you know, like proteins. So, you know, you can better select for the specialists, when you have diets like saying, a ketogenic diet, which is more fat and protein that is going to select for more of those specialists versus the organisms that have all the tools but particularly like carbohydrates.   Dr. Joel Rosen: So yeah, that’s a great primer, for sure. And I appreciate the bringing us bac

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And what a joy it is to have Martha Carlin here today, who is the founder, and I love the term the chief executive revolutionary for the bio collective company where it aims to accelerate microbiome research by supporting robust, reproducible, and reliable results that allowed the field to realize its full potential of life-saving discoveries. And she has a very unique story in 2002, her husband, John was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease. And well, I’ll let her tell her the story from there. So, Martha, thank you so much for being here today.   Martha Carlin: Thanks for having me, Joel.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So I’m excited because you and I and I say this in an enduring way. I think both nerds and nerds found each other at the biohacking Congress. And we started talking. And we probably could have talked for hours and hours. And I think we had a couple of the times, maybe the presenters look back at us during the talk and say, like, Hey, keep it down, back there in the back row. So here we are today. And I want to hear and have you share with our listeners, just the genesis of where you got to today, and maybe sort of a shortened version so that we can spend more time explaining what you’ve discovered along the way. So why don’t you just tell us about your journey, Martha?   Martha Carlin: Sure. Well, Matt, my typical background is in business operations, I was a turnaround expert and head of operations for a large Real Estate Investments trust, so I was totally out of the science field, in 2002, my husband, John, at the age of 44, was diagnosed with Parkinson’s. And, you know, that’s pretty shocking when you’re young, we had two small children, and I had an older child. And, you know, I being a turnaround expert, I sort of looked at how the doctors, I mean, it was kind of like, they just drop a bomb on you and say, here’s a pill, we’ll see in six months, there’s nothing you can do. And that’s just not who I am, you know, I looked at it, I said, this is a systems problem, I need to understand the system in the same way I do a business. So I’ve got to start teaching myself science. So I started. And I looked at food first because that’s, you know, food and water are the major flows through the body that get ignored by traditional medicine. So I spent about 10 years studying food, nutrition, you know, how we grow our food, the chemicals that are used on that, and then along the way, came up to 2014 and read Dr. Martin blazars book, missing microbes, about the rise of chronic disease, post antibiotics, and how the antibiotics were destroying the microbiome. And a few months later, the first paper was published showing that you could map the symptom phenotypes in Parkinson’s, to the microbiome. And I was like Eureka, that’s it, I quit my job. We sold our house and started funding research at the University of Chicago looking at time series and part of my interest, in the type of sequencing we were doing, which very few people at the time were doing whole genome sequencing, the microbiome has about 300 times more genes than the human genome. And I felt that that was going to be the map to tying out some of the problems from genetically engineered food, to be able to see that, you know, all the genes on the map. And so, you know, we’ve done over 150 whole genome samples of John’s microbiome and I went from there to founding the bio collective with the researcher from the University of Chicago and a virologist, Dr. Suzanne Vernon, who had spent 17 years at the CDC studying chronic fatigue, and viruses so that we could build a biobank of fecal samples to connect the dots across disease, not just in Parkinson’s, but along the way, I have become an I think, a pretty good scientist. I mean, you call me a nerd. I’m a super nerd.   Dr. Joel Rosen: I said that with love so So to break it down just for my brain to understand this. I love what you said in terms of food and water and taking it from a lay person at that time where you’re certainly not now where okay, my husband has this I got to break down the system and look at the food and the water and how that is is I guess a simulated did it in where it meets the inside of our system, which is our microbiome. Can you explain what you meant in terms of mapping the biome and seeing when you had that eureka moment? So so so repeat that, again, in terms of an easier way for the person that may be lay? And they want to understand okay, so what did you do you found that there was a model that shows that these are the Parkinson patients type biome, and this is what a normal biome is, and then

    Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And we’re joined by a friend and fellow present there Catherine Arnstein, who is the LG wellness expert and founder and CEO of energy bits. She is in the wellness nutrition beauty biohacking mitochondria and longevity industry. She is nationally recognized as a thought leader, seasoned corporate executive, experienced entrepreneur, and most importantly, sought speaker. She’s got her NBA BA and is a board-certified health coach. Catherine, I can go on and on. But we want to get to the interview. Thank you so much.   Catharine Arnston: Algae is the star of the show. I’m just, I’m just a voice for allergy. But thank you Dr. Joel for having me here. And it’s great because when I keep seeing you at conferences, we’re going to all the same places, which is exciting. Yeah, information that we’re on the right path, so we can help others.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Well, yeah, and it’s nice to share our unique area of background so that we fill in the shades of grey with the things that we’re learning and it’s all tide lifts all boats if you’re out go I guess the same goes and and so I always like to start off Katherine with with your own personal story and how you got into from being an executive into being the LG spokeswoman and, and health coach. So tell us about your own.   Catharine Arnston: Yeah, well, it was it’s quite a transition, although I’m finding that just about everybody in the wellness industry has a great story about how they got there, and mine is no different. As you mentioned, I do have an MBA, and I’m Canadian, although I’ve lived in the United States for 33 years. I live in Boston right now. And I’ve been here for that length of time. But I mentioned Canada because I had a corporate career and was doing well enough as my younger sister who I’m very close to in Canada 13 years ago developed breast cancer. Now I want to assure everyone, first of all, that she’s fine and cancer-free. But when she was preparing for her chemo, her oncologist who happened to be a woman recommended changing her diet to an alkaline diet because she said it would help with their healing. Now, they didn’t tell her what it was or why it was good for her. So the first call she made was to her big sister who loves her. I knew nothing about nutrition. But I’m a really good researcher, and I’m very motivated to make things you know, right in the world. So I said, I don’t know what this stuff is. But I will find out and turned out to be mostly a plant-based diet because of the phytonutrients and the chlorophyll that builds your immune system. So I did a lot of research, and she followed my advice, she got rid of certain foods, acidic foods, like dairy and processed foods, and sugar for sure. And, and she went through chemo and she did heal. Now in the process of helping her learn what to eat and what not to eat. I did a pretty deep dive for the first time in my life in PubMed, and NIH articles. And I read about 100 of them. And I read about 10 books, and they were all talking about plant-based nutrition and nobody was talking about it in the mainstream 13 years ago. So I thought, well, you know, I don’t have any credentials. But I’ve seen the writing on the wall. I think people need to know about this. So I gave up my corporate career of 25 years, and went back to school to study nutrition at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition was just a one-year health coaching certificate, but it gave me some background. And then I taught new plant-based nutrition for a year at corporations and hospitals. Anybody would let me in. And this is where my true epiphany happened that led me to algae. Because as I was teaching people the importance of eating more vegetables, they laughed at me and said, Well, you’re telling me the news My mother has been trying to get me vegetables since I was a kid. But it’s too much work. They’re heavy to carry home from the grocery store. They take a long time to clean cook to eat. There are endless arguments at the dinner table with kids’ husbands. So I thought okay if everyone knows the importance of the plants and the veggies and the nutrients in the plants, but it’s too much work for them to cook them and eat them. I need to find something that’s fast and easy that gives them the nutrition that they need. So back to the drawing board. I went I looked at everything that I had found for my sister and took months before I circled back to algae. And that’s when the miracle happened. Because first of all, algae is the most alkaline food in the world, we can talk a little bit if yo

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast, where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And today, it’s like I’m a kid in the candy store. Because SIEM is someone that I’ve been watching for a long time. I have both of his big books, and he’s got more books to even speak of. If you haven’t heard of him before, his name is seam land. He’s the author and content creator, public speaker, entrepreneur, biohacker, and health performance coach. He’s written several books, just like I told you about longevity and optimization for your health, metabolic a tough OG stronger by stress, the immunity fixes the mineral fixed. And he’s also now written another book called The NADPH, our circadian NADPH plus activation system. So seeing thank you so much for being here today. It’s a real pleasure to have you here joining us today.   Sim Land: Thanks for having me. And I’m glad to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so listen, I love your intro story, in terms of your background in anthropology. And if I were to be completely honest with you, in my first year of university, I took anthropology as an elective, because I didn’t know what to take. And it was one of those times when it was an elective for me to show up to the actual class. And I didn’t do very well, because I wasn’t focused at that time. But can you tell us how that anthropology was a springboard to becoming the credentials that we just talked about for writing books on longevity and, and health optimization? How did that happen?   Sim Land: Well, I, the reason I took or started studying anthropology was, I was just very curious about human nature and human society, culture, and those kinds of things, all those things. And I started Yeah, like the anthropology degree, because of that felt like, you know, the right thing to satisfy my desire to learn about those things at that time, and doing the anthropology studying I, you know, sort of think about, okay, well, like what do I want to do in the future, actually, and that kind of, for some reason, I concluded that I would like to be like a writer or Yeah, like write books and or be an author, whichever, you know, form it ends up taking, and just like the medium that I enjoyed, and yeah, doing the college years or university years, I did start to write my blog about Yeah, biohacking and health initially was just, you know, very simple, you know, just different kinds of nutrition strategies and straining and they kind of be like very simple things, and just started to grow a little bit of audience from there, not like a significant amount, still very small. And then I did like, wrote, write a few books about a ketogenic diet, and started to sell that on Amazon, that kind of, like, yeah, that was like my first source of income online, and made me realize, hey, I can do this like full time, and do more like in more in-depth research and more thorough books, and those things. From that idea started to create YouTube videos as well. And that is where most of my audience came from, at that time, and YouTube grew quite well because I think I covered some topics that many people didn’t talk about, like, ketosis or cyclical ketosis and intermittent fasting, and mentioned things like autophagy. And you’re explaining what it is and how it works and refuting some myths about it. And yeah, I think that it kind of helped to springboard my audience because of covering this new novel topic that many people didn’t know about. Especially the details about it, and that kind of made me I like, initial like, my, let’s say, my brand or my audience was associated with this endeavor, the fasting, and otology which I think still most of it is what I’m most known for the metabolic illogical. And, but yeah, like, regardless, that was like what I started to talk about, but over time, I implemented more topics, you know, just general health saunas and exercise and yeah, more interactive longevity stuff as well by now and wrote several books on different topics like stronger stress, which was the book about hormesis and stress adaptation. And then I also started to co-author many books with Dr. James nickel Antonio, including the immunity fix, which talks about the immune system, and the mineral fix about minerals. The latest one was a win, which talks about actually athletic performance and exercise. And the next one that we’re working on right now is the obesity fix. So we’re gonna talk about weight loss and weight management.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Ya know, it’s an awesome breakdown of where you got to today, I could see how anthropology just in terms of the study of cultures, would naturally evolve as you continue to open up the next door and go

Dr. Joel Rosen: Then I write Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And what a pleasure it is to have our next guest Dr. Mindy Pels, who is a best-selling author, speaker, fasting expert, and renowned holistic health coach, and her mission is to get a million people fasting. She has a popular YouTube channel with videos about alternative health tips and fasting and has garnered over 15 million lifetime views. She has the resetter podcast she founded and hosted and it’s Apple’s top 40 In the US, she’s also the author of three books, menopause, reset the reset factor, and the reset kitchen. And she’s soon to have fasting like a girl coming out. I could go on and on. But we only have a certain amount of time to get into the meat and potatoes of today. Talk. So Mindy, thank you so much for being here today.   Mindy Pelz: Oh, thank you, Joel. I’m excited to be here. It’s my favorite topic. So I love chatting about this.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. We like to be nerds together. And we can do that and go down these rabbit holes just sometimes. And I’m sure you’re not going to do it. But sometimes when we get nerdy we get too into the scientific stuff. So we’ll keep it on a very superficial level. And I always like to know stories of how you got into this. I know you’re trained traditionally, as a chiropractor, you just mentioned to me you made a pivot during COVID. But maybe take us through the the the 32nd, almost elevator speech of how you got to where you are now from where you were before, let’s kind of go through there.   Mindy Pelz: Yeah, the short version of a very long story is that you know, I’ve been in practice, it’s been well, 27 years. And I started to notice about 10 years into my chiropractic practice, that people just weren’t healing at the same rate that they were when I first got out of school and symptoms were hanging around longer people were showing up with more symptoms. And so I started to look at what was happening, was it our food was our environment was it stress. And, you know what I found was all of the above that the modern world had changed. It was dramatically affecting the way people were healing. So I went searching for answers and started doing nutritional work, detox work, and with patients getting good results. But it wasn’t until I had my health crisis at 43. When my hormones started to shift going through perimenopause I truly found fasting, and realize that I could solve so much of my healing crisis, my healing crisis, and my patients healing challenges through the art of fasting, and it was free. And it’s time-efficient, and it’s backed by science. And so I geeked out and became obsessed with fasting, which was about 10 years ago, and I haven’t lost my enthusiasm yet.   Dr. Joel Rosen: No, that’s a great story. There’s nothing like living the health challenge for you to be fully invested and to be able to learn the ins and outs and talk with integrity because I find a lot of problems are with doctors or even you look at the broke financial planner, or you know, the teacher that’s not educated or the doctor that’s not healthy. So thank you for having that integrity. As far as the Thrifty Gene hypothesis. I think that’s a good springboard for you started 10 years ago, you had your health crisis, and you realize that hey, this thing fasting, so maybe take us through the Genesis or the evolution of that, and we’ll get we’ll start from there.   Mindy Pelz: Yeah, well, so you know, it’s really fun to tell people because when they go to look at my social media, they’re like, they assume that I’ve been fasting my whole life. And that’s not the case. I was the hangry person, if you didn’t feed me, I was going to take you down. And I got up and ate breakfast was the first thing I did in the morning. I was the belief that if you ate six to eight times a day, small meals, would raise your metabolism. And so what happens when women go into their 40s is our estrogen production and progesterone goes down. And in that decline of hormones, we become more weight loss resistant, we become more insulin resistant, and the mitochondria have to work harder. So what I started to look at was just something as simple as the timing of when I ate. And that’s when I discovered the Thrifty Gene hypothesis, which is so fascinating. And I have a whole section on it and fast like a girl because I don’t think it’s highlighted enough. This is, if we go back to the caveman days when we look at how cave people managed food, they were able to go long periods without food. And then when they made a kill, they feasted. So our

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quite quickly. And a privilege it is to have Jay Campbell here he is the master of hormone optimization and optimized healthcare space allowing him and the chief innovator to end disrupters to the sickness care model industry. And he is the leading global evangelist teaching men, women, and doctors how to optimize their hormones, their life, and their happiness. He is a sought-out doctor on the Best Doctors. He’s a researcher. He’s a leader in the field of hormone optimization. He has his podcast, the Jay Campbell podcast, and it has powerful articles and emails regarding biohacking hormones, health, and performance. I’m sure I could go on and on. But we need to get to the meat and potatoes of today, Jay but thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you spending some time with us today.   Jay Campbell: It’s an awesome privilege. And I’m humbled and honored to be here with you, Doc. And I’m going to call you Doc and Joel at various points times in the show. But I’m grateful to be here, man. So let’s rock.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, me too. And you know, I’ll tell you just transparently, I didn’t know you. And we talked at a conference together last month. And I’ll tell you how, how nice it was because I was nervous and how nice it was for you to come up to me and shake my hand and tell me what a great job I did. That was really, really great. And I appreciate that. The other thing I wanted to say is, once I read your PowerPoint presentation for getting prepared for today, because you spoke right after me, I must not have been in the room because I was just relieved to finish my conversation. So you have so many gems in that presentation, we can go into so many different ways to help people that are listening here. But I always love to hear the backstory. And you know, being a holistic provider and ultimately getting focused on the integration of all health modalities for optimal health. Why don’t you just give our listeners and myself a background J as to how you got to where you got to given your life experiences.   Jay Campbell: Yeah, for sure, man, it’s a long story, I’m gonna give you the highest level 100,000 foot some, you know, I’m an ex-pro athlete, almost nine kids, had a cup of coffee, played basketball in Austria overseas when I was 23 years old, came back to the states and became a guy who went out into I was from the East Coast originally and moved out to the West Coast to get into Hollywood and be an actor and one of those guys. And you know, very truthfully, I got out of that fast when I saw what that was right? Without going into details about that. And I just naturally acclimated to sales and marketing because I’m a great communicator from my upbringing and stuff like that my father moved me around. I was in five high schools and five states in four years. So I always had to be that new guy, and I had to be good with my communication skills. And then as an athlete, you know, I was I had to beat everybody else out at a new location. At the age of 29. I was still playing, you know, essentially recreationally being a very high-level men’s adult basketball league in Los Angeles. I got kicked in the testicles went out, you know, normal. And then within two months, man, my health declined. So I went to a PPO provider, you know, a sick care guy back before sick care was truly sick care. This is 1999. And he was just, you know, I mean, again, there’s no luck right in the university. It’s all synchronicities. But he recommended I see an endocrinologist because he didn’t understand why someone like me was struggling like it was. It turned out I saw a world renowned guy who was just in the referral book in Southern California, Dr. Raymond Scruggs, and he took my blood panels and I had 237 or something like that, which is the total testosterone and free testosterone level of a geriatric and he was like, Look, I can put you on therapeutic testosterone. And I’ll have the writers rein in a couple of months, but go home, talk to your fiancee. I wasn’t married at the time. I was very close. It makes sure she’s cool with it. And then you know, let me know. So anyway, I went home, Dora was like, Hey, babe, you know, and by the way, this is my first wife. She’s long gone. Shout outs to her and Kelly. She said to me, you’re a smart guy. You know, I had a molecular biology minor in college, and I was always like a very studious, nerdy guy when it came to this kind of stuff. She’s like, Yeah, why not? But you know, truth Joe. I didn’t know anything about therapeutic testosterone at that point, but I trusted th

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast where we teach the truth about your health to exhausted men and women so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today I’m joined by the biohacking babes, Lauren and Renee, who have a biohacking podcast called biohacking babes. And their aim is to create insight into the body’s natural healing ability. Strengthen your intuition and empower you with techniques and modalities to optimize your health and wellness. They’re both health coaches, and I’m really excited to dive in with you guys today. So thanks so much for being here.   Renee Belz: Thanks for having us. Yeah, I’m so excited to connect.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, I what I want to do is I want I’m excited to and I want to we talked a little bit earlier about your own health journey. And so I know that I would think it was you, Renee, that may have had adrenal fatigue, and maybe Lauren had mono. So maybe talk about where you were starting off in terms of why you became a health coach. And then we can go through the evolution of that journey and all the tools that you’ve learned along the way so our audience can get amazing value. So maybe we’re in a why don’t you start with your own health challenges that led you into the profession that you do now?   Renee Belz: Yeah, absolutely. I’m happy to share my story. I find a lot of practitioners in the space. You know, a lot of us come to it, because we had our own health challenges. And that was certainly the case for me. So in my early 20s, I hit a wall, you know, whatever you want to call it adrenal fatigue, burnout, I was wired and tired. to a tee. I mean, every list of adrenal fatigue symptoms I had and was a long time coming for me. I mean, in high school, in college, I was sleeping four or five hours a night, I was taking as many credits in school as I could, I was working a full-time job go finally decided to study abroad in Spain, and I got mono when I was overseas. And my life changed. I would say forever from that point. I couldn’t get enough sleep. I was sleeping 14 hours a night, I don’t know was that the mono was fatigue, what was going on? And I went to a lot of traditional doctors at the time, and they were like, Oh, just keep sleeping more, you’ll be fine. You know. And you know, there are only so many hours in the day that you can spend sleeping unless you just quit your job and do nothing. So that led me down the path of trying to figure it out on my own. And Lauren and I are fortunate enough that we grew up with our mom and dad who are very into holistic health, or a dad is a holistic biological dentist. So I went to them and I’m like, Who do I need to talk to you to figure this out? And so I went to acupuncturists, massage therapists, chiropractors, naturopaths, herbalists, I’m like trying to get all the pieces, put it together, and figure out what was going on. And the big game-changer for me was I went to a chiropractor who ran a four-point cortisol salivary test on me. And my cortisol was completely flatlined. And that was the big eye-opening thing. Okay, there’s something going on with my adrenal HPA Axis dysfunction. I went down that rabbit hole, it ended up being so many different things. And this is what I always tell people. Even with adrenal issues or fatigue, it’s not usually one thing that’s going to fix it. As for me, I had mercury toxicity, I had the Epstein Barr Virus that was reactivated in my body over and over again. I wasn’t sleeping, I was stressed out, and I wasn’t eating enough to support my blood sugar. I was overexercising, right. It’s in all the things. And that led me to be a biohacker. Really, I had to put all the pieces together and figure out what would make me feel my best and stay healthy. And I think I’ve connected with a lot of clients on that level, too. I mean, this is super common that people are getting burned out. And yeah, so I like to think that my journey was a good thing. It got me to where I am today at 35. I’m much healthier than I was at 25. So a lot of learning lessons. And here I am.   Dr. Joel Rosen: For you, Lauren. What’s your background story?   Lauren Sambataro: Yeah, similar, I guess the endpoint is burnout. So then I’ll work backward. Similarly, I went to college, and I was a dance major in college was performing so it was always really in touch with the physical body running I grew up dancing, and I continued it into my early adult life. And I started studying pulse checks through the exercise world. And then I was like, Whoa, he teaches other things like it’s not just about fitness, it’s about holistic health and, you know, stress reduction and supplements. So that opened me up to a world of you know, connecting all the piec

Dr. Joel Rosen: Three. All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And today, I’m really excited to be joined with Austin broad Hawkins, who is the senior partner at the indoor organic gardens of Poughkeepsie. We’re in for a special treat today, because we’re going to be talking about what I think is really a miracle nutrient. And, and Brian is going to be giving us the details, the ins, and outs of what it is and why it’s so important. But ultimately, we’re going to be talking about sulforaphane. And how to nerf two is really a regulatory enzyme for so many inflammatory processes in the body for people that are exhausted and burnt out. This is one on one for them. So, Brad, thank you so much for being here today. I really appreciate it.   Austin Hodgkins: Thanks for having me. It’s pleasure.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so you know, I got introduced to you a while ago, where your partner Carol, she had emailed me because I did a video on sulforaphane. And it just kind of lingered in my inbox for a while until I kept going over my genetic susceptibility reports with my clients. And the worst of the worst, the hardest hit from environmental factors, whether it be mold, chemicals, heavy metals, or just stressors in the environment, were the ones that had these nerf to genetic polymorphisms, where they’re not really signaling they nerf two pathways effectively. And I had to dig back deep into the emails to find that and I’m really excited to join forces with you guys. But I thought, hey, let’s get an interview with you. So that we can educate people as to exactly what this is and why it’s so powerful. So why don’t you broad give us a little bit of detail of your journey and how you started and pioneered the organic garden of Poughkeepsie and, and give us your background story.   Austin Hodgkins: Okay, glad to So somewhere around 2014. And we’re located in Center City, Poughkeepsie, New York, which is a great spot, certainly. But it’s a center city of an old town and a lot of unemployed people. A lot of the social services emanate from Santa city, Poughkeepsie, we’re also the county seat. And so we were looking for something to do with the building that I owned herein, in Center City. And so we decided, hey, we heard a lot about indoor growing and gardening and all those things. And so we pursued that. In the beginning, it was a learning experience as oftentimes when you do things you know nothing about, and we knew nothing about this. And so we started with, with tomatoes and cucumbers, and we were gonna do mushrooms and things like that. And we ended up with microgreens, to make the long story short, and so we saw microgreens, to local restaurants and stores, and so on and so forth. And that’s kind of cool. And we can scale it to a certain level. But that’s not where the action is. So then I came upon equities, growth, that Let food be thy medicine. It’s not the first time I’d heard it, parquetry is better known for the term, do no harm or whatever, the father of medicine. And so the more you looked into, Let food be thy medicine, we found that vegetables, plants basically were the key to the whole thing. And so that’s why the dinosaurs lived to age 300 165 million years dinosaurs roamed the earth the last 160 5 million years ago, but all eight were plants and a few but everything they ate was fresh. So we decided we’d go with the food is medicine. And the problem was that in order to stabilize the microgreen sprouts, which is where the highest density of micronutrients on Poly, polyphenols, and whatnot, exist, in order to do that, we would have to either freeze them or dry them. Freezing is a problem because the first step and freezing blast freezing are you have to blanch it and so you kill all the enzymes, anything over 120 Kills the enzymes. And the second thing is if you’re going to dry it, dehydrate it, then typically you gotta heat it too much too. So you kill that so the first order of business was to see if we can figure out a way to deliver a powder that was shelf-stable. And the real test we have we’re not a lab, et cetera, is that if you’ve got a powder, and it doesn’t, it doesn’t look like a vegetable, it’s not green, and it doesn’t smell like a vegetable, there’s probably dead. So we realized that in order to make this stuff work, and build its efficacy as it were, we had to figure out how to dry it and not kill them, the living components. And that’s what we accidentally ran across is a way to do that. And so once we figured out how to dehydrate this, and there are two headwinds, when you dehydrate, or when you stabilize, one is temperature. That

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health, so that they can get their energy back quickly. nd I’m really excited to interview our next guest, who has recently released the second edition of his best-selling book unstoppable, which is a 90-day plan to Biohack your mind and your body for success. Ben Angel is here with us. And Ben, I want to thank you for joining us today and sharing your time with us.   Ben Angel: Yeah, it’s my absolute pleasure. I’m excited to dive into it.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so Well, let’s dive right in. So you have the second edition of unstoppable and it’s a 90-day biohacking plan for success. And I guess I would just start with what inspired you to go down these rabbit holes and write a book like this? Because I don’t think that’s where your background is in. Right. So maybe give us a little journey through memory lane.   Ben Angel: Yeah, so it was kind of out of necessity at the time. For the first kind of 15 years of my professional career. I’ve been a professional speaker, helping coach CEOs, and entrepreneurs, and also in the area of marketing. But it was I think, about almost five years ago, that I did a three-month trip around the US. And when I finally got back home to Australia, I was suddenly here with fatigue, depression, and anxiety that wasn’t typical of me at the time. And I had to give up my speaking career because I couldn’t find the right thoughts. I wasn’t comfortable getting up on stage anymore. And I didn’t speak at an event for three years. And I used to speak at over 60 events per year. So that was a big deal for me at the time. I was going to various doctors, I wasn’t getting the answers that I needed. And people asked, okay, well, what were you eating? What were you doing? I had the strictest healthiest diet possible. I was doing CrossFit. I was meditating, I was doing everything that you should. And just nothing worked. And it was, I think one conversation interaction with one doctor that inspired me to go on this journey and research the book was I explained my symptoms to them. And she effectively just said, Well, you’re tired, you might have chronic fatigue, most people just don’t get over it. So just kind of deal with it to a large degree. And at the time, I was suicidal. And I walked out of that doctor’s office in tears going this is the fifth doctor that I’ve seen in the past year, I’ve been constantly dismissed that you kind of not necessarily saying it outright, but you kind of just have to deal with it and get over it. And I was supremely frustrated because I realized at the time, I could go in one of two directions. One was to accept it. But accepting it meant I would never be able to speak on stage again because I wasn’t functioning. And the second thing I’d have to accept is that I wouldn’t be able to write any more books. And that’s, you know, that’s my soul’s purpose. That’s what I love doing. So I got to this crossroads. And I thought, Well, how am I going to fix this problem? So I came up with in hindsight was probably one of the craziest ideas I could think of which I thought, Okay, I’m an author, I’ll pitch to Entrepreneur magazine at a time when I was providing business education videos, to I’ll pitch to them the idea that I would go on this 90-day mission to buy a hack my way back to health. And, you know, I didn’t think it through at the time because the truth was, I didn’t know if I was gonna get better or not. I could have done that, signed the book contract, and then had to refund the book advance at the end of it because I wasn’t any better. And I certainly wasn’t going to lie to people through a book. So that took me from Australia to Florida, here in the US to interview functional doctors, different gut health, TSA even traveled to Canada to interview biohackers and nootropics experts different like biohackers as well as neuroscientists, psychiatrists, counselors, nutritionists to start to pull the pieces of the puzzle together. It’s probably one of the hardest but most rewarding journeys I’ve ever been on.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it’s a good intro. There are so many things that I think of there in terms of you coming to that crossroads where you can go left or right. I think a lot of reoccurring themes with the clients that we work with, have that ready fire aim mentality where they just sort of jump right in and now Hey, It’s sink or swim, and I’ll give you an A quick little analogy as I remember when I went to chiropractic college in the US, I grew up in Toronto, and I didn’t have enough financing to get through a full year. And

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another edition about the truth about your health podcast where we’re on a mission to expose the truth about your health to burn out men and women so that we can empower 100 million people to go from exhausted to energized. And I’m excited to talk to our guests. For Part Three, it’s Mr. Mojo himself, Dorian green out, and he’s on a mission for a lot of different things. But their goal is not just to sell a meter. It’s to spread keto news, information, resources, and understanding so people can make changes in their lives and allow them to live longer healthier lives. So Dorian, thank you so much for giving me your time once again.   Mr. Dorian Greenow: Wow. Thank you very much, Dr. Rice. It’s really good to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Well, yeah, well, listen, I love talking to you. We do have two additions before there. So we’ll post the links to those for people that are watching this. But I think it always starts with integrity. And I think that’s what’s so great about what you do is because it’s not just recommended and don’t hope don’t do the things for yourself. So I think it’d be good to maybe recap a little bit of your story on why you developed this type of lifestyle. And now can then we can transition into what’s new with keto Mojo.   Mr. Dorian Greenow: Yeah, thank you. Yeah. But back in 2015, I was overweight, 207 pounds, I was on antidepressants. My job is just going into the toilet. I’m mucking everything up. And you know, I’m in this fog, but I didn’t know I was in the fog. Well, you know, if you’re in the fog, you don’t really know it until that lifts. And you can and you can see you just, you just, you’re fading out what you’re doing and then bounce between jobs. And a good friend of mine has said, you know, you’ve got to give up the white devil. So you’re going to get rid of that sugar out of your life and typical English class like I don’t do fad diets, you know, I’d seen my wife do every possible diet under the sun, cabbage soup diets and all of these other things and doing these challenges, and it was a continuous roller coaster for her and you know, I’m, I’m just going like, well, that that’s never working. Why would I do that? And then as I started reading up on the science of what a ketogenic diet is, I think I’m going to flip that word. I’m gonna say what a ketogenic lifestyle is. Because the deep that four-letter word of diet, I think, is an appalling word. As we started reading, and looking at the science and understanding how the metabolism works, and this is reading they’ve Volek and Phinney and a tear and Taubes and Westman. If you look at all of those different doctors over the period of time. The science just made sense. So I went on a well-regulated ketogenic lifestyle. And I was testing with an avid meter to it. So I knew the choices that I’m making were working right for me and my bio-individuality. I think this testing is sort of like a macro compass model. If you go into a new world, say I’m going to Italy or Thailand, think of the foods, Italy, Italian foods, or Thai foods. If you’re going somewhere new, you need a macro compass to guide you. The map is the roadmap are the foods that you’re eating, and the compass tells you if you’re going in the right direction. Now, if I follow the same route every day, and we become creatures of habit, then do I need a map or compass? That’s a question you should ask yourself down the line. But what happened was my weight dropped off, I lost a total of 47 pounds. And you know, I got this mental clarity, I got this energy, this you are the Vive that, you know, I felt like I was 24 again, and I could take on the world. And I came up with all antidepressants. And that was the genesis for starting the company. Because, you know, I looked at the strip, and I was like, why are these trips so expensive back then, in 2015, they were four to $5. And you’d have to hunt on the back ends of E bay and Amazon to get something that had been covertly shipped in from Australia. It was nuts. But, you know, I realized that you know, at that time, there were a lot of barriers to entry, not only a cost barrier but also an informational barrier. And so when we set up keto Mojo, it was the at the hopes that we could affect change, metabolic change throughout a population of people. And once you can do that once people change the way they eat the way that they shop, this could potentially have a market forcing function to fundamentally change agriculture globally. So this sounds a bit hubris. A lot of people look at me going like, Wait, hold on, where did you just go there? But when we look at holistic regenerative agriculture that can sequester carbon. This be

    Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health, where we’re on a mission to expose, expose the truth about your health to burn out men and women so that we can empower 100 million people to go from exhausted to energized and I’m excited for our next guests. Clive Burski. I found out about him many, many years ago when he used to have a radio show with Dr. Marshall. And I’ve used a lot of Clive’s products over the years got a little bit away from it, and I thought it just kind of resonated right back into it. So Clive founded Immuno logics because of his life lifelong personal experiences. At age 21, he had reconstructive knee surgery that started forming when he was only five years old. And in those days, doctors didn’t understand kidney stones that caused mineral deficiency from a diet loaded with Animal and Dairy products. And then at 28, he was diagnosed with testicular cancer. And that resulted in the extraction of his right testicle, his right adrenal gland, and 80 lymph nodes from under the arm down to the pubic bone. To get his adrenal glands, they sought out a rib, it took three and a half months for them, for him to walk after that. And then nine and a half hours of anesthesia coupled with the missing adrenal glands, and a testicle left him in a very debilitated chronic fatigue state for six years. And doctors told him that there was nothing that they could do. And this is how he’s going to have to end up with the rest of his life. But in 1991, he met a biochemist that understood enough about physiology and nutrition. And it enabled him to be able to have the normal working function to be able to work and drive and talk and two hours a week of proper nutrition and diet modification was what he did. And then it’s been 26 years since then. And he’s excited because he now has dedicated his life to helping support people in the same situation. So Clive, thank you so much for being here. That’s quite a story.   Clive Buirski: I’m excited to be with you, Dr. Rosen. And thank you very much. I’m looking forward to having this visit. Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so you know, it’s exciting because ultimately, a lot of the listeners can identify with that, especially not necessarily having their, their testicle or they’re especially for the woman they want to identify with that. But, you know, being told that there’s nothing that they can do. Not putting all the puzzle pieces together. And this is just how you’re going to have to live your life. And that’s why we call this show the truth about your health. So maybe why don’t we go into the struggles that you had? Not that we want to get into them. But what was the pivotal point that made you decide, hey, like, I’m like, not going to accept what they’ve told me? And I’m going to look for other solutions.   Clive Buirski: It’s a great question. Because it did take six years, for me to realize that there was a different way out of the problem that I was facing, which was the debilitation of chronic fatigue. As you mentioned, I was having great difficulty driving, talking, walking, running the business. I could talk for about five minutes and then I would need to lie down. But, six years after the surgery, I met a biochemist in Southern California and he put me on a nutrition program that enabled my left remaining adrenal gland to recover you know, the adrenal glands take a heck of a beating from anesthesia. And if you had one removed and you got one left that was still not recovered after the nine and a half hours of anesthesia, it’s not just going to come back to life as normal without any special help. So you know, the nutrients that enable the adrenal glands to function, or primarily vitamin C, and the B vitamins, and magnesium, and potassium, and sodium, and if any of those are missing, to one degree or another is going to determine how well the adrenals are going especially if you just have one adrenal and depending on the overall stress level of that person. It’s going to be able to determine whether or not that person is going to be able to manage immune function, inflammation. All of the sex hormones, and interestingly enough aldosterone, which is the hormone that the adrenals produce, that enables the kidneys to perform the most incredible function of filtering 2000 liters of blood a day. So that depends on the adrenal’s ability to produce aldosterone. So you know, we’re all familiar with progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, and cortisol levels. That can also be a problem from a long-term stress point of view. Because long-term stress produces too much cortisol over overtime, which can contribute to the hardening of the blood vessels. We don’t need any extra help to make our blood vessels stiff, because stiff blood vessels

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another edition about the truth about your health podcast where we’re on a mission to expose the truth about your health, especially for burnt-out men and women so that they can be empowered to get their energy back and go from exhausted to energized. And we’re excited to do part two with my buddy Don Moxley, we had part one, which we’ll put in the show notes last August, we got into a deep dive, but two is to introduce Don, he’s the director and applied science and brand development at longevity labs in the United States. He’s dedicated to helping people live vibrant, fulfilling lives at all ages, and he draws on his career as an athlete, a sports scientist and instructor, lead educator. And now they are diving deep into the science of toffee autophagy and longevity. So, Don, thank you so much for being with us. Once again.   Don Moxley: John, excited to be here and talk to your clan.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, I’m excited to have you back because I actually rewatched like I was mentioning earlier, our last interview, and we did really get into the autophagy and longevity and how you first mean you had known about autophagy. But then when you got hired from spermidine, you had to kind of get into the nitty-gritty of autophagy and longevity. So maybe for some of the listeners that missed the first one, or just don’t quite understand what is a toughie, G, and what is related to longevity, maybe kind of give us a, a one on one on that, Don?   Don Moxley: Well, yeah, that’s a goal. And anyone interested in and again, maximizing your health, extending longevity, it’s difficult to have that conversation or establish that strategy without having some kind of a strategy as it relates to autophagy. So, you know, we’ll start with the definition of autophagy. In the lab, that means self-eating, it’s a self-cleaning process, it’s a cleaning process in the cells, that that, you know, in our cells. They sense whether nutrients are coming in or not. In our cells, we’ve got this little protein that’s called an mTOR protein. And when mTOR senses that there are nutrients available, mTOR says hey, let’s get to work, and let’s make some protein. So it goes into the DNA, it pulls out a strip of mRNA, that goes into the ribosomes, the ribosomes start bolting together amino acids to make proteins. And then that protein gets folded in an organelle, called the endoplasmic reticulum, that gets folded in, and not all the proteins are folded correctly. So even though it might be defined correctly, or there might be you know, there might be a little change in it, not all those proteins go into service. And if they don’t, they just sit there in the cell and, and what we start to take a look at, particularly as it relates to longevity, a lot of the diseases, a lot of the problems that we deal with, as we get older morbidity, you know, the increase in lack of health increase in disease, which is morbidity, and mortality death is a function of diseases that are related to a lack of autophagy. We typically refer to most of these diseases as inflammation-related, we call it inflammation, a lot of times I’ve seen in the press, but anytime that you have low autophagy you have increased inflammation. As you increase autophagy in the cells, you lower inflammation, you improve cellular performance, and this is an immune level at a neuro level at a myocardial level. All of these are taking place as autophagy increases and Joel This is the benefit of fasting. You know, a lot of times you know, people decide they’re going too fast because they think they want to lose weight, it’s about fewer calories and the fact is that you don’t have to have fewer calories necessarily if you compress your eating into a tighter window. There was really good work done by Dr. Valter Longo that showed that if you know two people on the same diet, one that eats their calories over a shorter period has increased health over the person that eats it over a longer period. So just you know when it comes to a healthy lifestyle and promoting that, it’s so important to have a strategy as it relates to a toffee G in your life. This means you don’t eat sunup until sundown. You know you spend you know to try and compress your eating. You start by compressing into an eight-hour window So that means you don’t eat for 16, you sleep for 8789 10 hours, and then two hours on the back of that and a few hours on the front of it you are to 16 hours without eating. And then you continually extend that. And there are a lot of health benefits that go with it as it relates to autophagy.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, that’s a great, great starting point, and tipping off our conversation just to kind of remind the reader, in our last conversation, we were talking abo

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where it is our mesh mission to empower 100 million people to go from exhausted to energized. And no more is that evident in getting to the root cause of why you’re so exhausted. And this is part three with our special guest, Morley Robbins, who is the creator of the root cause protocol as well as the magnesium advocacy group. He’s got his BA in biology at Denison University and holds an MBA from George Washington, as well. He was in healthcare administration, but now he spends his life dedicated to research and educating the masses on how we’re being hoodwinked on what our energy production revolves around. And almost everything we do and is taught in terms of his words being misled and misfed. Get us further from the truth and closer. So Morley, thank you so much for being here yet again, for part three.   Morley Robbins: Thank you so much, I enjoying this ongoing dialogue. Even more discussion?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so yeah, so So you know, and again, I’m proud of my war-torn book here, the cure, cure your fatigue, how balancing three minerals in one protein is the solution that you’re looking for. This is how you would already be on my radar before that, but through my research, and all the exhausted and burnt out people that I work with just continuing going down those rabbit holes and understanding that the energy production problem is the number one problem whether you think you have fibromyalgia or in the case that we work with adrenal fatigue or HPA Axis dysfunction at the end of the day, you’re not producing energy at the level that you need to. And just to recap what we’ve talked about so far, far, we’ve talked about the categories in your book, The why you’re so tired, being misled and miss fed information, how modern-day health care is anything but how we are being, I guess, removed from the truth of how your body may, because that’s not being taught in, in the medical tool, or healthcare schools at all. Also, what is the result of that is in terms of oxidation, and then ultimately, what do we do about it. And one of the most exciting things that we talked about last time was stress and fatigue and the relationship between that and energy. And then ultimately, we started, we ended with the stops and the things that we need to do to stop decreasing the availability of the most important nutrient bioavailable copper so that our cells will breathe effectively. And it’s, it’s an either, or you’re either using oxygen effectively, to produce ATP, or you’re producing exhaust. And if you’re not making an income, you’re creating an expense. And it’s even worse to create an expense when you don’t have an income. So here we are, and I wanted to get into the starts of what people should do, we’ll have the links posted so that they can get access to the first two interviews. But I think it’s a good place to springboard from Morley in terms of the starts. But of course, if you want to just catch us up with any thoughts that come to your head, before we do that, then, by all means, let’s get started.   Morley Robbins: No, absolutely I, what I enjoy, Joel is Evali, my twin in terms of being able to come up with analogies that people understand income versus expense, that’s really what it’s about. The other one that I’ve used over the years is, we’ve all at some point have had either done this personally, or we’ve witnessed it, someone trying to balance on a boogie board with where they’re like there’s a ball in the middle, and you got to keep your body in balance. And anyone who’s done that knows the energy that’s required in the legs to maintain that balance. Well, that’s what this is all about. When we want to have metabolic homeostasis, stay in balance, you gotta be producing lots of energy. When we don’t have the energy, when we start to fatigue on that boogie board, what happens? We’re going to go to one side or the other. And that’s where most people find themselves when they’re in a state of exhaustion. Whether we can use the phrase adrenal exhaustion or fatigue or chronic myalgia, whatever the fibromyalgia, whatever the right phrase is, there is a loss of cellular energy, and it’s on a scale, that it’s affecting our ability to stay in balance. But really, people need to realize why this energy is so important. Again, the phrase that I’m using of late is ignored the enemies ignite the energy. And it’s not to, to be naive that there aren’t enemies out there. We know there are. But the body is amazingly designed. Once it has the capacity, the natural capacity to make energy. Pathogens go away, they disappear. They are, they are annihilated

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where we teach, exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health and specifically adrenal fatigue, so that they can get their health back very, very quickly. And I’m joined again for part two, with Morley Robbins, and we are going to be talking about in this case, we are going to be talking about how to get to the main cause of having no energy. And as you may or may not know, Morley has the root cause protocol. That helps us do that. And I’m excited for part two because we’re going to piggyback from what we talked about on our last call. But just for those that may not know, Morley is the founder of the root cause protocol and the magnesium advocacy group. He’s received his BA in biology at Denison University in Ohio and holds an MBA from George Washington University. And he’s a guess, a reformed health care administrator, although I wouldn’t say reform, he’s now on the other side, as we talk about, and he’s also trained in wellness coaching himself. He has nutritional counseling background, from Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, he’s got his training protocols for doctors. Morley, thank you so much for joining us again today.   Morley Robbins: Absolutely. Delighted to be here. And looking forward to this discussion, I think the folks who are gearing in on this.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah so to piggyback just to kind of if our listeners listening to this for the, as their first one will leave links, wherever this is being listened to, and being able to get access from to the prior one. But what we’re talking about is what I feel is a game-changing, life-changing book that you just wrote, called sure your fatigue how to balance three minerals and one protein in the solution that you’re looking for. And we outlined the first four chapters in our first talk, basically talking about how we’re misled and miss fed the modern health solution for energy, which is anything but how the body makes energy. And then ultimately, the blind spots that doctors don’t have when it comes to the errors in making energy. So maybe just Springboarding from that, morally, in terms of what is the oxidation blindspot so that we can go into now that we know what the cause is? How do I dress specifically that so what is what’s the what’s kind of catch us up from the oxidation blindspot and how the body makes energy so that we can pivot into what do we do about it?   Morley Robbins: Let’s create the right context. Plus, again, we live on a planet that is dominated by two very reactive elements. And it’s important to understand the soup in which we find ourselves. And it was I think, hiding in the debate between pasture and bass sharp particle versus field can pasture was trying to attack the guest, they shot a say, Well, why don’t we strengthen the host? And let’s deal with the field bioenergetic field? Well, what is in this field? Well, the number one element on planet Earth 36% of the Earth’s composition is iron. It’s the pro-oxidant element on this planet. Yes, it does deliver oxygen. Yeah, that’s a good thing. Like a waiter. But if you don’t have a chef to deal with it, you can have a serious problem. That’s the role that copper plays copper is the chef in the cuisine. You can see your hyphen, is I any, but the thing is, we’ve got iron and oxygen. Oxygen is the second most reactive element on the planet. We can’t live without it. We can’t age without it either. And what does that mean? It means that oxygen again, after fluorine gas and fluoride, is the second most reactive element. And therefore the stress. I mean, I think I was probably five or six years into this journey. Now, coming up with 11 full years of doing this research. Five or six years in Joe, I realized what they meant by the term stress. It’s oxidative stress. Oh my gosh. It’s like it was like this ton of bricks. It’s like Philomela Oh my God. Oh, it’s the inability to deal with oxygen. That’s what’s causing All these problems, and the body is geared to resolving and responding to stress. And when you get into the weeds of neurotransmitters and hormones, and I know we’re going to talk about cortisol as the first-line response, it’s responding to oxygen. If it’s not being metabolized properly, if we’re not, again, if the oxygen molecule OTU, if oh two cannot be turned into two molecules of water to h2o, the body’s like, we got a problem. Because it’s a pH that’s required for that transaction is neutral pH 7.0. So that when oh two becomes two h2o, everything’s great, but neutral pH, we can release the ADP, three of them, go over to complex five, and a Wallah, we can turn those three ADP into t

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the truth about your health where our mission is to empower 100 million exhausted and burnt out men and women by teaching them the truth about their health so that they can go from exhausted to energized. And no more is the truth about health, exemplified in the works of our next guest, who it is a pleasure and honor for him to be here today and give us information about how to get your energy back. His name, of course, I’m sure you all have heard of him is Morley Robbins. He is the creator of the root cause protocol in the magnesium advocacy group. He received his BA in Biology from Denison University in Ohio and holds an MBA from George Washington University in health care administration. And he’s been training, wellness coaches, nutritional counseling, and Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, but most importantly, has a really what I feel is a groundbreaking sacred cow tipping book on how to go about curing your fatigue. So without further ado, Morley, thank you so much for being here today.   Morley Robbins: Joe, it’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you for that very kind introduction. And I’m sure this is gonna be a conversation that will be long remembered. I think it’s just our phone conversations have been scintillating. And I’m sure this will be no less than what we’ve had in the past.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Well, I appreciate you being here. And it’s always great to fill in the gray share areas when I’m on my path of understanding the information and like yourself wanting to make a difference in people’s lives. And I know your mission is to refine, re redirect, and redesign health. So people that are suffering can ultimately get answers. And by having conversations like these, and telling the truth and exposing it and having the courage and I would say to you, thank you so much for your work, because a lot of people don’t have the instincts or the wherewithal or even, I guess the gusto to want to, to prove that. And interestingly enough, just to kind of go into your background for people that that don’t know your story, you are in health administration for many years, which seems kind of antithesis to what you do now. So maybe explain to the viewer before we get into how much you’ve researched and where you have arrived at and the genesis of your book and outlining the actual content of the book, which is our goal in this three-part series to go through each chapter and help the listener who’s exhausted and burnt out, get energy back, start with your story as How does someone who might be interpreted as being on the other team? Or on the other side of the fence? How do they get into this site? What was the journey? Or what were some of the pivotal moments morally in your health care? Journey?   Morley Robbins: Great question. I’ll give people a quick thumbnail sketch I grew up in a very sickly family. My mom was an alcoholic. My dad was a manic depressive with schizophrenia. And, and that’s a tough household to come into a lot of illness. And my sister just recently passed, by the way, thank you for an evening of thanksgiving. God bless her, and she’s in a better place. But she had her health struggles for many decades. And by the grace of God knock on wood. I seem to have circumvented a lot of that. But my sister was a nurse. So I was supposed to be the doctor. Right? You know, and then I get, to college. It’s like, Whoa, this is this is hard. There’s a lot of work involved. And I didn’t do well in college that gives it away for the real fine. detail. I kind of BA in biology. That means I wasn’t I didn’t have the academic horsepower to get a BS. That’s an important clue for people. I’m sure if people saw my college transcript, they’d say, How does this guy know how to spell iron? Much let’s talk about it. But in any event, there is a plan. And if you don’t get into medical school, which I did, obviously, and has been adverts physician down in Lubbock, Texas is worthy. It’s a blessing you didn’t get indoctrinated. because it allowed me to be a free thinker, approach it a little bit differently, but I decided to go into business and become a hospital executive. And then consultant, as you said, I was working on the other side for many years. But I knew something wasn’t right. What I was good at, I was good at forecasting, you give me some data, and may and I could tell you where it’s going. And through a series of projects, I began to forecast the incidence of chronic disease, this was back in the late 80s. And then again, and it was probably 2000. It’s just Joe, it was frightening what was happening to the incidence of disease. So I decided I couldn’t, couldn’t stay on the sidelines anymore, and decided I wa

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined here with an exciting guest, Bryan Chan. He is a project manager by trade, and he’s joined the bio strap team in 2021. In their mission to democratize digital health services. As part of their small team, he wears many hats. One of them is that he’s a product specialist, helping small businesses and enterprise clients with the bio strap platform and using it in a way that empowers their decision-making processes. He’s also a highly active recreational athlete balancing his work, his hobbies, and many other endeavors. And he’s no stranger to stress recovery. He uses his biometrics to guide his health Magian management strategies, which we’ll be getting into and hearing his clinical pearls. And he also enjoys surfing and backpacking and his training for his first half Ironman Triathlon. Brian, thank you so much for being here today.   Brian Chun: Absolutely. Dr. Rosen, it’s a pleasure. Thank you for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So when I read that bio, I immediately focused on that cool mission. And the mission of bio strap is to democratize digital health services. What is exactly that? What does that mean? Brian?   Brian Chun: Absolutely. That’s a great question. That’s a great place to start. Um, a little bit of background, I mean, I joined the bio strap team, because I’ve always been interested in, you know, the Health and Human Performance side of things and quantifying how you feel, as opposed to just going off of just, you know, basic feeling. And so with wearables, you know, you have the power to do that. And so that’s why I joined the bio strap team. But once I joined the team, I learned about the mission, which is to democratize digital health services. And what didn’t occur to me until I joined the team is that you know, what wearable technology has the power to do is, it pretty much eliminates the barrier to more scientific discoveries, more clinical research, and what I mean by that is, in your current, you know, clinical setting, and in a research facility, you’re kind of limited to, you know, certain, certain things such as geography, you know, you can only recruit from, if you’re having people come to a lab, and you’re running studies there, you’re very limited to the amount of, you know, the patient population that you can test with, you know, does that make sense. And so with wearable technology, you can pretty much ship these things, you can ship out a wearable, out to people all across the world, pretty much. And you’re able to collect data from a much broader and, you know, you can, you can set certain criteria, you’ll have a much larger patient population to choose from, and get data from all different types of sources. And, and so that’s just one example of how, you know, it’s reducing the barrier to the kinds of clinical trials and clinical studies that can be run, even with your typical, you know, nonclinical and nonresearch settings, such as you, I mean, you are a clinical setting, right. But for people running remote physiological monitoring, popular, you know, programs, it’s much easier now, with wearables to put, you know, to get data from the clients that you’re working with, and be able to provide them, you know, better insights and applies better interventions based off the data that you have. And so we’re pretty much you know, it’s making it a lot more accessible to anyone from, you know, huge pharmaceutical companies that have the money to do this kind of research. But it also enables, you know, the smaller businesses, the physical therapy clinics, the doctor’s offices that want better data for decision making. That’s pretty much what democratizing digital health means.     Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I mean it to simplify it because it can get very, very complicated. I hear two main, two main areas or buckets if you will. And that is to give x access to people all over the world to clinics, or providers, or even just knowing that they otherwise wouldn’t have had access to. But the other one, which I think is cool, which we should explore is typically the problem with research has always been the ivory tower towers, the does the studies, and then that it gets implemented on average 17 years later, for the users that use that information. And so what we’re talking about is being able to conduct studies by using wearable and looking at certain biometrics that In English, basically, when you put it on your wrist you or wherever it is affixed to, it will give us data in terms of movement and heat and heart rate variability and, and other

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stressed life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about adrenal fatigue. And I’m excited for our next guest because we’re going to get into impaired fertility and the root causes. And we’re interviewing Jacqueline Downes, who’s received her Bachelor of Science degree in psychology from Drexel University, and later studied holistic nutrition in graduate school for two years, and also became a certified health coach. But her passion drove her much deeper into the world of how new nutrients affect your biochemistry, and how that affects all aspects of life, including how you think how you feel and how you move. So, Jacqueline, welcome to the show today.   Jaclyn Downs: Thank you so much for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I’m excited to talk because this is a really important conversation in terms of bringing a healthy fetus to full term and not only just avoiding the pitfalls and the challenges that women have to avoid miscarriages and to not be able to conceive but as you mentioned, be able to have the best potential for that baby going forward. So before we get into that, I always like to ask our guests a little bit of your background and personally why if you had any health challenges or specifically if you got into why you got into the specific area that you did.   Jaclyn Downs: Okay, I would consider myself a second-generation nutritionist My dad is a nutritional biochemist and I was aware of nutrition outside the USDA box ever since I was little when my dad had said that you know milk is not good for you. This was back during the four food groups. And I was in like third grade and I was like my dad says milk not good for you and your you know, my third-grade teacher was like, Oh, your dad’s wrong. And, um, and then just about like, before the Atkins diet, you know, all of them, oh, you need carbs, you need carbs, you need carbs. And my dad was like, no, that’s not necessarily true. And also the good fats, bad fats when fat was vilified in the 90s. So I always had this sense of nutrition and, you know, true nutrition, rather than just nutrition that was sponsored. And I so I’ve just always been interested in nutrition, but they didn’t, back in the 90s have a school in my state that I was pleased with the nutrition program. And so I graduated with a psychology degree and, a year or two later found birthing being I became a doula I just became passionate about helping women during their birthing journey. And then I worked with a midwife and it opened my eyes to infertility and how, how common impaired fertility was. I, you know, there wasn’t anything that I’ve encountered, because, at that time in my young 20s, my friends weren’t having babies yet and weren’t experiencing infertility that I was aware of. So through working with this midwife and doing birth work, my former career was as a birth worker. And then I was always interested in nutrition. So I had done graduate school in nutrition and God’s certification as a health coach and I got a job being Bob Miller’s research assistant about, I don’t know nine years ago or so back when it was just MTHFR and I was hired to just research MTHFR and everything just kind of built from there. MTHFR went to the CBS went to the CMT, and then just whole pathways and it made sense to me that women that were having problems with fertility were it wasn’t just that their hormones were out of balance. It’s why are your hormones out of balance and what nutrients or what toxins could be inhibiting these pathways and causing your body to switch off that that mating ability switch?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, lots of good points that you have there. And ultimately, the root cause of impaired infertility is the title of your upcoming book, and I want to dive into that as well. But one of the things that you just touched upon a couple of things actually, which we could take a deeper dive is sort of the sponsored approach to nutrition and interesting that you had you weren’t, you weren’t into the school, or the different schools or the education curriculums that were provided. Because of some major challenges, and I always find it amazing, to understand that the traditional allopathic approach dedicates so little time in their curriculum for nutrition. And then on top of that, when you do go through a sponsored nutrition nutritional program, it’s very biased. I mean, maybe I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole, but maybe given your experience, kind of give us sort of I don’t even know if there’s a 32nd commercial. But how would you be able to sum that up in terms of, Is that real? Is it true? What is it? Why is it I mean, the best succinct way that you could I don’t know if that’s a tough ques

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright Hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly and I’m joined by repeat guests, Robby Besner. He is the Chief Science Officer, device developer, and co-founder of Thermosash, a premier infrared healing product and recognized as a world leader in infrared technology. He is also a prestigious Hippocrates, Health Institute, educational committee member, and a presenter at many, many medical integrative and anti-aging health conferences. And I’m just so excited I can go on and on Robby, but I only have a couple of short moments to get as much information as we can. And we want to start the interview and get into the good stuff. So thanks so much for being here today.   Robby Besner: My goodness, Joel, I love meeting and seeing you again and talking to you about the latest things that we’re doing. And certainly, I appreciate the opportunity to just address our new technology the things that we’re doing and share that with your community.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. I appreciate you being here as well. It’s always a wealth of information. And I like I said I was like the Wizard of Oz. I call you sort of like the guy with the gadgets that it’s always coming up with new innovative technology. And I had a client of mine asked me about your technology and asked me about the EMF harmonizer. And I was like, wait a minute what I don’t even know about this. So you said you’ve been it’s been in your, in your, in your systems for a while or in your products for a while, but now it’s standalone. So kind of give us the genesis of why how, what, where, and what it does. So people that are potentially exhausted and burnt out, don’t realize that these things that are in our environment are impacting them, and how you’re able to remediate those things.   Robby Besner: Right? Okay. So just from an educational, pure educational point of view. Um, there are so many different kinds of stressors in our lives. And you know, you being the adrenal ninja and the expert in that category certainly can speak volumes to how epigenetics our environment, different things, how it affects us, and how our bodies manifest it in some kind of physical. Not even necessarily a disease, but certainly some kind of health challenge symptom of sore. We’ve got this animal out there that is in our room, it’s a 500-pound elephant. It’s these exogenous frequencies, you can’t smell them, you can’t taste them, you can’t see them, you can’t hear them. Yet, it’s another big stressor out there. And as we’re seeing deeper into research, particularly with the pandemic and the challenges we’re having, it seems like microorganisms, that would be Candida parasites mold, that whole category, they get activated by these exaggerated frequencies, then the man-made frequencies, electromagnetic fields, EMF, and most people know about that if heard the term. And then there are other culprits. One would be that we’re focusing on now, which is e, l, F, extremely low frequencies, or the kind of the street name for it is dirty electricity, people have heard of that, but they don’t quite know what it is is means. Ultimately, what these frequencies do as all wavelengths, whether it’s light or sound, electric frequencies, magnetic frequencies, they’re wavelengths, and they oscillate, they move in a certain direction. And they also have certain amplitudes of power. And the problem with that, particularly with mF n LF is that these frequencies and RF, those are radio frequencies, by the way, like 24 gigahertz portable phones, for instance. And we’re talking about Bluetooth or wireless devices, for instance. So all these frequencies oscillate about 80 to 100 times higher than our body frequency, each of us our little body batteries. Every cell in our body is a battery, and, and we have a frequency. In the past, like in the 60s, it was called an R. Now it’s called like, I forget what they call a biofield. That’s the modern term. But essentially, we have a field of energy that surrounds all of us almost like a safety net. And it allows our body to perceive things in a different way than just sight, sound, and smell, and taste. So this is all good information, there are brains or processes, and most of it is done without us even thinking about it, frankly. So EMF became a category for me because any device that is plugged into a wall will generate a magnetic field and electromagnetic field that uses alternating current, which is the sockets that we have in the US that everybody plugs devices into. So if Robbie Basner device developer therapist is making healthy devices that help the body heal, and the plugin, like the infrare

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right, everyone, and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined with a repeat guest, part two, we had just had a conversation at the end of June and we will send the link for that interview. But we’re here with Brandon Vermeire, who is the Chief Scientific Officer and CEO of metabolic solutions, Institute for functional health and fitness practitioners. His goal is to bridge the gap between health coaches and functional medicine practitioners through better education. He’s also a keynote speaker, mental and metabolic researcher, writer, and functional medicine consultant. His background is in fitness and nutrition. And he’s one awesome guy, Grant. Brendan, thank you so much for being here today.   Brendan Vermeire: Thanks for having me. Dr. Joel, the last conversation we had was super fun. My audience loved it. And it was so good. There are so many good nuggets in there, we use some of the recordings and to create like little mini videos, but such a wealth of and I felt like we fed off each other so well. So I’m excited for part two.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I’ve just listened to it again the other day, and I was noticing just all the things that we had in common from personal training and mental health and exercise physiology. But I’m sure you’re not aware of this brand. And where I think the tie that binds us together as we both have experiences in scrubbing toilets for work history in our past.   Brendan Vermeire: Or no, yeah, I mean, he got saved somewhere, right?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, listen, I mean, listen, I guess if you’re getting down and dirty in that aspect, you got to have some kind of camaraderie with someone else who, who knows what it’s like to do that. So yeah, I mean, So ultimately, we had talked about a lot of different things. We talked about specific adaptations upon oppose demands where if you’ve exercised, you know that you have to go a little bit more than your body’s capable of doing if you go less, you don’t stimulate a response. If you go too much, you create turmoil, or in this case, pain. And you mentioned how much that is, can be applied to everything in the body. We got into this being disconnected, we got into basically facing your fears and facing the tough stuff. And that’s really what we wanted to talk about today in terms of the inner working, have your why and things that are unresolved. And it may feel good to do other things that aren’t as challenging if you will, but at the same time, you’re not getting as deep as you need to cut loose of those anchors. So maybe, I don’t know, how do we start from here, given that that’s where we want to go down today?   Brendan Vermeire: You know, that’s a really interesting kind of setting the stage and what just clicked in my head was, I just last night had a little bit of a nightmare. That kind of came out of nowhere. And I have had, I guess, you could say recurring nightmares for the past, like seven years of my life. And they all revolve around what was easily the hardest and most traumatic, you know, the season of my life that was you know, riddled by, you know, manipulative narcissism and mold illness and tons of stress and mental illness and psychiatric drugs, this whole dark season in my life that I guess in some ways, still haunts me to this day. And that’s where, you know, I do a lot of work around the topics of obviously mental illness, one, in particular, being PTSD, right. And I think there’s a lot more, you know, trauma awareness these days. And I’ll just say right now, I think awareness is a double-edged sword where, okay, well, the first step to healing is awareness. But at the same time, you can’t use awareness as a crutch, and you can’t take on that identity. You don’t want to take on the identity of a traumatized or a mentally ill, like don’t allow it to become your identity. But you also don’t want to be negligent, of a very real psychological, psychosomatic and physiological dysfunction or illness or disease or whatever you want to call it. So I think there’s, you know, large conversation to be had on the kind of untangling you know, where there’s physiological Science and origins of what’s going on in the body when somebody is stressed, or traumatized or depressed or whatever. And then there’s kind of the psychological side of it as well. And how do you untangle that mess? Because even as much as I like to think that I’m fully healed, healing is an ongoing journey. I don’t think there’s a start and finish it’s you become more resilient. He learned how to manage your health strugg

        Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get their health back quickly. And today we are joined with a patient and a team member, Kristin and goanna and we’re going to do a little bit different today, Kristin is going to ask me a couple of questions about how I got into this or some of the things that we do to help people. But then we’re going to go through a timeline history of some of her experiences with her health challenges and raise awareness for people that may not identify that stress and overwhelm. And the impact that has on your stress response system can manifest in different ways. So, Kristen, thanks so much for being here today. Yeah, for sure. So why don’t we do this ladies first, You said you wanted to ask me a couple of questions. So why don’t you go ahead and ask me some questions, and then we’ll transition into getting to know a little bit about.   Kristin Angona: your journey. Yeah, so um, one of the reasons I wanted to do this video, too, was because I wanted to be able to show my friends and family like about you, and how you’ve helped me and everything. So do you mind kind of briefly explaining how you got into this practice and how you stumbled across your breakthrough?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I was an anxious kid. And I probably didn’t have the best diet in terms of sugary foods. And I didn’t realize that I had anxiety. I mean, it was a thing where I would get nervous before a competition or in-class being called upon or even just having to read out loud. And then when I went through chiropractic college, I had gone through that because I hurt my back. And when I graduated and was ready to practice, and had over $250,000 worth of student loans, and my wife was pregnant with twins, I was exhausted and burnt out and anxious and had brain fog, couldn’t focus. And I heard about this thing called adrenal fatigue, which Chris and I never heard of before. And I thought I was pretty educated. I had a psychology degree, Exercise Physiology degree. And I had just graduated from chiropractic college, and I never heard of this thing called adrenal fatigue. And it was kind of like the Epiphany, like, Oh, my gosh, like, this is me to a tee, like, you know, when someone describes you to a tee that you could probably describe, not as good as that was, it captivates you, and like, okay, I want to hear what this has to say. And then I went down that rabbit hole of doctors don’t accept it as a legitimate diagnosis. A lot of the time your blood tests come back normal there, there are so many different presentations like you could be lacking energy crashing in the middle of the day, you’re energized in the night and not in the morning. You can’t focus you can’t concentrate, it impacts your motivation and drive and brain fog. So there are so many things that, that it impacts and I was just sort of overwhelmed with, oh my gosh, if I don’t know about this, and I’ve studied a lot of stuff in health, then and this is more of a stress-related thing like we’re more stress than ever, and we have so many demands and to-do lists than ever, then this is an epidemic that needs to be explained and told the truth about so that’s kind of how it all started for me. And now it’s, we help people like yourself, where they may not have identified it as being a stress-related thing. But when we tell the truth about adrenal fatigue, it goes so much deeper than just the adrenals. Right? So as you know.   Kristin Angona: no, that’s, that’s interesting reminds me a couple of years ago, I had heard of adrenal fatigue, and I sent it to a friend of mine. And I was like, Look, I feel like I have some of these things on this. But then I saw it say like, now, it’s not a real thing. And this and that it or, you know, you only have one of the things and not all of them. So like Had I known or continued researching like you then maybe I could have avoided my major crash of a situation.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, right. Well, you know, I look at it as you have these things that your obstacles in life for a reason, right? So had you not crashed? Perhaps you wouldn’t have been where you are now. Right? So at the same time.   Kristin Angona: Yeah. Well, that’s quite so could you maybe share on your a couple of stories, you know, one person that you’ve helped, and then we can get into how you’ve helped me?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. So one of our best success stories was from a client that we worked with within Australia, and I even remember having the initial call with her. And it was amazing how she had suffered for so long. She’d been to like really high tec

https://youtu.be/Hy-QmC62ntE Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back very quickly. And I’m really excited to be joined by Don Moxley. He’s the director of the applied science and brand division at longevity labs Inc. in May 2020, he began working with longevity labs. As a nutritional supplement company founded in Austria, Maine, his role is the director of applied science and brand development, their flagship product, which we’ll be talking about, not just in terms of what it is spermidine life, how it is used in terms of balancing growth and building with recycling and clearing out or M tour and autophagy. And that’s going to be our main topic. But ultimately spermidine life is a daily nutritional supplement that has been shown to trigger a key element in longevity, which is called the toffee G. Hey, Don, thank you so much for being here today.   Don Moxley: It’s my pleasure. I’m really excited to be on the podcast and talk to your listeners.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, we were just geeking out a little bit before we got started here. And you were telling me about your background and how you were in exercise science. So why don’t you tell our listeners who are exhausted and burnt out a little bit of your own story?   Don Moxley: So my background, I’m trained as an exercise physiologist, and I’ve spent 25 of the last 35 years is either an adjunct or an assistant professor teaching the Exercise Sciences in a couple of different institutions. But while I’ve been teaching, I’ve also kept a foot in the industry, particularly in the wearable industry. And I’ve also spent a lot of time working with high-performance athletics back. Back early on, I worked with the Chicago Bulls, and this was back with the Jordan bulls. And I had two players on that team that were I’m an Ohio State guy. I graduated from Ohio State I wrestled at Ohio State. And that’s right, where did most of my work. So you’ve got you to know, that provides the connection. So I had two players on that team that we worked with all the way up to where in my last direct work, I was a sports scientist with the Ohio State University athletic program with their wrestling program from 15 through 18. In 2000, in the 2017 18 seasons, we measured three and a half million data points on our wrestling team. And one of the big things that came out of it that really ties into our discussion today was understanding heart rate variability and heart rates, very abilities, ability to diagnose problems with, with athletes that are underperforming, we could use it for exercise, prescription understanding, when do we go to the whip, when do we turn things back, but we could also use it and you can also use it in the selection, we learn things. You know, we learn things that you could actually use HRV for selection because if someone does not have the capability to recover, during either the big 10 or the national tournament, and they can’t make all American Well, we now we figured out that you’ve got to have about 75 milliseconds of RMS SD and your HRV to make all American and if you don’t have it, you won’t make it and we have we had with several data points to suggest that. So became kind of a knot in HRV. And the understanding recovery in my family. We’ve had issues in our family with post-traumatic stress. And you know, so whether you’re working with an Olympian or working with someone who has severe post-traumatic stress, you’re just on the other end of the same continuum. And the tools that we use with my Olympians, or this in my national champions, are the same tools we use with those that are just struggling to, to get through the day and deal with the burnout that so many people deal with.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, HRV has come a long way, I guess in terms of the ivory towers now into the 30,000 view foot, not even weekend warrior, but the person who’s exhausted and burnt out and just isn’t getting answers. And that’s who I see the dawn in terms of they’ve been to 510 15 doctors, their blood tests are quote-unquote, normal, yet they feel like crap, and they’re looking for solutions. And all of them that I initially encounter have 1001 different supplements in their pantry. And it’s not for the lack of trying or desire to get better or willingness to try so many different things. It’s just they haven’t cracked the code if you will, and I think what you’re what we’ll be talking about today and transitioning From what you just told me, now you have the spermidine life and you have a product that really kicks into a toughie, G. Why don’t you kind of segue fro

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get them their health back quickly. And this is always a pleasure to be joined by a client of ours that we’ve had some really successful outcomes. And this has been the same with Gus Pon single who’s had some major health challenges along the way. However, we’ve been able to customize a recovery strategy around his unique health challenges and really get some major wins. And we want to share with you Gus his journey today. So Gus, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Oh, yeah. So I was just looking through our initial onset of care. And that goes back as early as November 2018. Now, that doesn’t mean we necessarily saw you every single month over that course of time. But ultimately, when when you presented and reached out to us, you had several health challenges that you were dealing with, when I look at some of the forms that you filled out, insomnia was a huge one, what you actually had forgotten about, as we talked about a little earlier, brain fog, bloating, gastric pains, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your background in your story, and you said, You’ve been dealing with this for about 10 years. So why don’t you tell us a little bit about what you were dealing with before starting with us? Gus?   Gus Ponstingl: Yeah, I think a lot of it started really, once I got married about 14 years ago, and I had some food poisoning in that rough, early marriage period. And then I ended up going overseas on a couple of trips. And my gut really started to suffer, I felt bloated, and I also just noticed that I was putting on weight, without the ability to take it off. And I didn’t notice I was really doing anything specifically different to do that. And then I also noticed that fatigue started setting in so it was like I was just gradually getting worse, you know, it wasn’t like an immediate, although the food poisoning, I felt that was a step-down, you know, and I felt constipation at that point. And it never really went away, you know, and I was doing all kinds of things to try to get my browser, my bowel movements going. And I just, it was really a struggle over the years. And I’m a natural person. So I really, somewhere along the line, I got out of the medical world, and I started doing natural, and I’m really reluctant to go to that world. So I was doing a lot of natural things. And but you know, you’d have some success, but you weren’t really like nailing it. And so, yeah, gradually, it just, I almost lost the ability to sleep at all. I mean, I think I, I get about three to four hours a night, early in the evening, and about three o’clock, I’d wake up and I’d be awake for a lot, you know, I’d be awake most of the morning with very light sleeping, and then up again. And I ended up doing some things in the middle of the night as hobbies that really were productive. But you know, it was like, I’d rather be sleeping, you know, and so that that was something that, you know, we were just talking about has changed dramatically as a big change. In fact, this morning, again, was it was seven o’clock, the alarm was going off. And I was like, you know, I have to get out of bed now. And that was never the case. So seven o’clock is a pretty normal time for most people to get out of bed. But I’d be easily up at three or four in the morning and just almost cursing that clock, The clock, you know, like, I’m not going to get back to sleep, what am I going to do? And I’d be wide awake. You know you’d get that feeling of like, yeah, I’m not at all as we, you know. So, gradually, though, what, what led me to work with you is I’ve worked with several practitioners. Um, I don’t know when it really started in earnest that I know I needed how, but I would get little pieces of it, you know, it seemed like, but it really didn’t seem like it was all coming together. And I think I was even feeling like maybe I was having some heart issues, although I’m not sure that was really the case. I feel like there was something with my metabolism that really had gotten stuck and I couldn’t switch over. I guess most of your audience is gonna know what ketosis is. If they’re, if they’re in your sphere, then they probably know that, as your body is switching over to ketosis from more of the sugar side of the burning. I couldn’t get there. And I would just crash crash crash. And I was baffled by that. And so I think I was looking for, I didn’t know if it was adrenal fatigue. I know you deal a lot with adrenal fatigue and like a lot of people you hear things and you’re like, yeah, my

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. I’m joined here with my co-host, Becky roux, who is a moderator and administrator, and creator of the G six PD deficiency support group on Facebook, who suffered from G six PD herself. And now she is developing protocols and research-based information to educate those that need the support. And she’s here to co-host with real special privilege guests that we have with us today. We’ve interviewed Bob several times. But Bob is the leading edge of healthcare and the way it’s practiced in the year 2021. He is a traditional naturopath, he specializes in genetic-specific nutrition. He opened his Tree of Life practice and has served as a traditional naturopath for 25 years. And for the past several years, he’s been engaged exclusively in nutrient nutritional genetic variations and related research, specializing in nutritional support for those with chronic Lyme. And I think that needs obviously to be updated because he specializes in people that just are having huge, huge health challenges. And the research that he’s doing is going to enlighten the listener for today’s topic on G six PD. So, Bob, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you being here today.   Dr. Bob Miller: It’s an honor always a privilege to be with you Dr. Rosen night. And I appreciate all the work you did to help out understand people, their adrenal fatigue and so many things. I know you’re reaching out to a lot of folks for a lot of good work. So congratulations on all you do as well.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Oh, well, thank you so much. And it’s all because of the information that I listened to over and over again about what you’re teaching. And I think the listeners are going to get such an amazing piece of the puzzle that they’re not getting because g six PD issues are looked at, as you explain in a way where it’s a genetic thing, hey, do you have the gene? If you do, then oops, you’re in trouble. And that’s it. That’s all vs. There’s a functional genomic nutrition approach. And that’s really what we’re going to get into today. So how do you want to begin with this?   Dr. Bob Miller: Okay, well, firstly, maybe we ought to do just a little bit of genomic one on one and some of the people may not understand, we’re going to be talking about it, we’ll do this very briefly. Firstly, you know, what a miracle we are weed, fats, carbohydrates, proteins, we drink water, breathe air and expose the sunlight. And everything gets made. I mean, every time I say that I sit back. And I think, wow, that’s astonishing. And the reason that happens is that enzymes, take one substance, combine it with something else and make something new, that another enzyme comes along combines that with something, make something new. And that just goes on and on and on. Your DNA is instructions on how to make the enzymes. So when you hear about the word mutation, or snip or defect, whatever term you want to do, I like to just say major and minor, because I like to say anything is defective, when you have that minor allele, that enzyme production may not be as robust as it should be. So, therefore, the production of one substance to another just may not be as good as it should be. And what we look at from a functional genomic standpoint, is how this can be affecting function. You know, I am not been trained or neither am I a geneticist. I mean, geneticists look at, you know, genes are released to disease, we just look at genetics, health has the potential and let me say keyword potential to impact function. Because just because you have a mutation, that doesn’t mean for sure something’s happening. But I like to train doctors and say, when you see mutations, it’s something like waving at you like think about looking here. So what we do at functional genomic analysis, is, again, we don’t look at disease states we don’t look at if you’re going to get a disease, we look at me to be making a little too many free radicals may not be making enough in I oxidants, might some of your detox pathways be less than robust as they should be? Are some of your nutrient transports not as robust? And then there’s a couple of things you can do. If you’re not making enough of something where you can give someone that if the enzymes maybe not at full force, there are nutrients that actually support an enzyme along and if it’s detox, there are ways to support the clearing of the toxins, all goes back to that traditional naturopathic philosophy, the one from a long time ago, that it’s the terrain and you know, on bond, Antoine Bishop was the guy who said to

Dr. Joel Rosen: Right Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And I believe this is round three, for the last strength flex the last stress life podcast. I’m joined here with a special guest, Carrie Jones. I think by now like I told everyone knows who Carrie Jones is, it’s a real privilege for having her here, but just in case you don’t, she’s an adjunct professorship professor at that. And then and you add them regularly, consults, lectures and writes on the topics of hormones, thyroid, adrenals, digestive issues, autoimmune, and more, both nationally and internationally. She is the medical director at precision analytical, the world’s leading laboratory in dried urine hormone testing. And she’s one cool, awesome. practitioner, friend, and colleague. So Carrie, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate it.   Dr. Carrie Jones: Joel. I’m glad we got to reconnect and make it happen. I always have a good time talking to you on your podcast.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, um, you know, listen, I thank you. And I appreciate it. I’m watching all your social media, and you’ve really crossed that next barrier of just showing who you are, you know, I always remember one of the very first conferences that I heard you speak and you mentioned in a really diplomatic way about talking to some of the women about difficult hormone questions that they may be having, and, you know, not wanting that little hair on the chin there. And you have a really great sense of humor and down-to-earth nature about you. So why don’t you give us a little update on sort of What’s New for you in terms of where your interests lay. Now, in terms of understanding when women and men for that matter, are overwhelmed or have all of these environmental triggers and challenges with balancing out their hormones. And now the Dutch test has so many tools to be able to give practitioners insight on how they can manage this? Where does that leave you in terms of what you’re seeing or what you’re doing? Or just kind of give us a little springboard to what’s new in the life of Dr. Carrie Jones?   Dr. Carrie Jones: Well, I will say it’s funny that with your tagline of you know, helping burned-out individuals in earlier 2021. So I want to say in a march timeframe, actually, I will just back up all the way into 2020. By the end of 2020. I was completely done and burned out. And I say that I was very lucky and that I maintained my job. And because everything shifted to online, I wasn’t traveling like I used to but the whole world went to global education, right online education. And I was working nonstop for many, many, many months about hormone education and in our field because we couldn’t travel or we couldn’t go to conferences. And a lot of people had a lot of time to be at home on their computer watching, watching educational events. I was just going and so by just the time, December hit one it. I mean, it was a pandemic, which was stressful in itself. And then too, I was working all the time and I hit maximum burnout. And I say this as the medical director of a lab that tests cortisol and hormones, right. And so, I had been telling people on my social media that I was, you know, having bad days, I was tired. I was feeling burnt out, did a Dutch test, and lo and behold, of course, my cortisol not only was my cortisol low my free cortisol, but I was the enzyme that preferentially deactivates cortisol so makes it inactive, was up-regulated, meaning I was a deactivator So not only did I not make very much cortisol, I don’t think I was also deactivating what I had, basically, my body was like, excuse me, you’re burning the candle at both ends. You were not listening. So we’re gonna make you tired. Sorry. And I was doing all the things I knew I was taking my supplements and I was you know, mixing up meditation or breath exercises, I maintained exercise. Through the pandemic. We were lucky where we live, we have this beautiful backyard and so much of spring summer fall we I was allowed to be outside even if we weren’t allowed to go to stores and restaurants and what have you. And still, it didn’t matter. It was my own. I had to get some mindset boundary stuff dealt with to handle the burnout. And when I posted the results, I’m very much an open book and a lot of ways and I posted my results to show people and of course, everyone’s like what did you take, what did you take, what supplements you take? And I was like well, I took a few I shifted a few things around but I said it honestly had nothing to do with supplements and everything to do with me. I was the problem. I was I’m a Type A over Achieving take on too much perfectionis

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And today we’re in for a special treat. I’m here with a colleague of mine, Brendan Vermeire. He’s the founder and owner of metabolic solutions, which is an institute dedicated to educating health professionals and clinicians with cutting-edge strategies to best serve their clients and patients. Brandon is a functional medicine consultant, clinical researcher, board-certified holistic practitioner, Masters, nutrition coach, personal trainer, Master, personal trainer, sports performance coach, and CrossFit trainer when he’s not educating doctors and helping clients overcome their severe health struggles, Brendan enjoys things like fitness, and he’s probably going to be working out. He also enjoys anything in nature and activities that expand his heart, mind, and soul. So, Brandon, thank you so much for being here today.   Brendan Vermeire: Yeah, Joel, thank you so much for having me, my friend. It means a lot. I love getting to have these types of conversations. And I think this is where a lot of the learning and the healing takes place. I’m excited to see where we go and share all this info with your audience.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, thank you so much. I feel the same way. And you know, one of the conversations we talked about before getting started was we should which areas should we get into because we can go into so many of them. And I think mental health and how it relates to our audience and their fatigue and burnout, and we see such an epidemic. So I’d like to go down that rabbit hole with you. But before we do, Brandon, why don’t you just share with our audience who may not know you and what you do just yet with your own personal experience and why you got into the area that you got into?   Brendan Vermeire: Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, Joel. It’s a crazy story. And I’ll give the cliff notes of it because I have a background in fitness nutrition. And I actually joined the Navy after high school for the seal program. Because I was my life goal when I was young. And whether that was a great idea or not, who knows. But that was the dream at the time. And I was about halfway through boot camp when they found out an inguinal hernia. So they had to medically discharge me and send me home because it wasn’t their problem. They deemed it pre-existing. And so that was really, you know, a devastating blow for a young man trying to figure out life, you know, it’s either college or military workforce. And I chose the military that fell through. So I went back to my job, which was scrubbing toilets, a kind of janitorial work at the local health club that I worked out at constantly. And so it was kind of at this crossroads of trying to figure out well, do I go to college? And if so, what do I study, I was very passionate about fitness and nutrition. So that was kind of what was attractive. But fortunately, the Personal Training Manager at the gym that I worked at, you know, they all knew me really well, because I worked there, I worked out there I was pretty much always there. So they’re like, Hey, kid, like get certified as a trainer, we’ll give you a shot and see how it goes. So I got certified as a personal trainer and nutrition coach jumped into that career. And honestly, I got exposed to so many really cool objectives, you know, health-related sciences, nutritional biochemistry, metabolic physiology, exercise physiology. And I just really fell in love with understanding how the body really works internally and how we can optimize that through our lifestyle behaviors, or fitness or nutrition, so on and so forth. And so that was kind of a launching point. But then, you know, here I am a little over a decade later where now I’m regarded as the leading expert and authority with like functional medicine for mental health in particular. And the reason why mental health is such a near and dear subject My heart is I was first put on an antidepressant drug when I was 17. I was in high school, I was just doing a physical for sports. You know, there was no bloodwork no evaluation of any kind, it was just Hey, you’re, you know, seem to be a little bit depressed here Zoloft kid like hopefully, it doesn’t cause any, you know, undesirable side effects. So, you know, that was my first experience with psychiatric drugs at the age of 17. Whereas then it was you know when I was 18 and 19 that was really starting my career as a trainer and nutritionist. I didn’t officially get diagnosed until I was 21 with major depressive disorder and ADHD. And now, I was put on three more medications of Wellbutrin, Vyvanse, and Adderall so I was on a cocktail of these psychiatric drugs. And it was a

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m really excited to do Part Two with Beth O’Hara. She has a Doctorate of the natural path. And she specializes in functional natural Pathak approaches, for helping people with mast cell activation, and helping them heal, and helping them get to the root cause of the problem. And ultimately, let’s just get in talking to Beth and get some new clinical pearls. Pat, thank you so much for being here today.   Beth O’Hara: Thank you, Joel, I’m just really delighted that we’ve been coming together for this because I know you and I both had these massive health challenges. And we crawled out of them put it together. There are so many people out there still struggling and they don’t have the healthcare background we knew to figure this out. And so that’s I know, your mission. And my mission is to help other people get their lives back here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it’s aligned in that way. And like I told you earlier, I was listening to our recording a little bit earlier. And so many bubbles go off in my head of Oh, I should have asked her this, I should have asked her that. So we got you back here today. And we can kind of build on part one, I’ll make sure that we give the link to the listeners for part one so that they can listen to that. But ultimately, I want to share what’s new with you and hear what new clinical pearls you have. And one of the things that we talked about that just scratched the surface in our last talk was how impactful the epigenetic or the environmental trigger of mold is. So maybe we can start going down that rabbit hole, Beth of why it’s such a big, I guess, a tidal wave of mast cell activation. And all of the strategies that you do downstream from that is really like playing whack a mole, if a person is dealing with mold, and stimulating the muscle. So let’s kind of start with, okay, this is why mold is important. And this is what we’ve been learning about it and most importantly, what can be done about it.   Beth O’Hara: And you’ve hit on some things, right, you know, the nail right on the head, which is that mold has become an epidemic issue. And people aren’t recognizing this, right? Because you mostly don’t see it, it’s really rare for somebody to actually see visible mold, or they might see a little in the shower. But they’re thinking, Oh, I’ll just clean that off with some bleach or, you know, if you’re in natural cleaning products, use some hydrogen peroxide or something. But if that molds growing in there, that’s a sign of a bigger problem. And most of the time people aren’t seeing it. But here’s the thing is that 50 years ago, we didn’t have the mold issues and buildings that we have today. And that is what we need to be understanding is this is truly a new level of what is an old problem. And so if you just go back, I like to look historically, you know how things have unfolded? And if you go back to just the Bible there, there are passages in the Bible about what do you do if you have mold growing in your home? And what does it say? It says you have to burn the house down. Now, most people have to burn their houses down. Now we have all kinds of ways to remediate things, but I’m just saying that even then it was known to be a big problem. And then looking historically to all the witch trials that were going on in the 1700s where people were hallucinating, they were having seizures, they were convulsing, they were psychotic. Well, what was found was it was a mold growing on the Rhine rain called Virgo. These days or air got in these days, we test our food for mold. But three major things have happened in the past 40 or so years, that has really changed how mold is becoming so problematic. So number one, we have more chemical exposure than we’ve ever had in human history. And we’re talking most people are going to be exposed to at least 20,000 different chemicals in their lifetime. And when chemicals have released the environment then they combine and form new molecules. So it’s not like they just stay in these isolated forms. And just to really illustrate this, I was reading this article on National Geographic and about an indigenous hunter in the Great Lakes area. And then the whole article was an expose on the number of toxins that are dumped into those Great Lakes. And this Hunter as he hunts for his family and his community. So as part of their survival, and he’s been hunting for decades, so he brought a moose down. And the reporters were there with him, you know, going through his life with him. And the first thing that they eat is liver, because it&