Your Adrenal Fix With Dr Joel Rosen

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so they can get their health back quickly. And I’m really excited to be joined by our guest, Dr. Andrea Ferland. She is a senior scientist at the K I T Research Institute and a staff physician at the Toronto Rehab Institute. She specializes in focusing on treatments for chronic pain, including medications, complementary and alternative therapies, and rehabilitation. And I really want to discuss her new book called The Eight Steps to Conquering chronic pain, a doctor’s Guide to lifelong relief. So, Andrea, Dr. Andrea, thank you so much for being here today.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Thank you for inviting me today.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, yeah. And so I always start the podcast knowing about who we’re speaking about and why they got into their profession and maybe any health challenges or part reasons why you got into this area. So maybe you can elucidate why you are what you are. Give us some ideas.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so I graduated 30 years ago from medical school in Brazil, Sao Paulo, I then emigrated to Canada 25 years ago. And I’m a physician here and I work in the pain clinic. And all that I do is help people with chronic pain. But what got me into this, I can remember and it’s very vivid in my mind, because, first of all, I chose medicine because I suffered from menstrual cramps, all of my teenagers and young adults, and they were very debilitating, very severe, didn’t get better a lot with the conventional medications got better only after I got pregnant. It got cured after I got pregnant. But before that, they were very debilitating. And every month I knew I was going to miss important things or had to go to exams and tests suffering pain. So I chose medicine to help people because I thought you know that there must be something to treat this healthiness. And then when I was in medical school, I never heard about physiatry. That’s the specialty that I chose physical medicine rehabilitation. That’s the specialty of the person with disabilities. And the reason that I chose physiatry was because I was between, you know, neurology and endocrinology. I was thinking about even what patient medicine, but I chose physiatry because I remember it was because of acupuncture. I had a patient that I was an intern, and we admitted the patient for investigation of her pain, she had been all over her body. And We admitted her so we did all kinds of investigations Inside Out upside down. As you probably know, we wanted to find something that was abnormal metabolically or endocrine or any problem. And we couldn’t then she had been all over her body. So when the physiatrist came to the consult, he came with a bunch of needles, and he stuck needles on her. Half an hour later, she was walking happily. And we discharged her the next day. So I said, Oh my god, what is this voodoo medicine? What did you do? And he explained to me in scientific terms, he said, No, you never heard about the pain system. You never heard about the opioid endogenous opioid, beta-endorphin. I said, No, I never heard about this in medical school. So he taught me that our brain is able to produce our own medicines. And with acupuncture, what they did is just release those medicines from the internal pharmacy in the brain. And I said I need to know more about this. And that’s how I got fascinated by pain. And then studying the pain system and studying how can we help people with pain all my life? I’m a scientist. So I do a lot of scientific studies as well. And yeah, so that’s what got me into pain medicine.   Dr. Joel Rosen: That’s excellent. So that was during, your clinical rotations. Yeah. So you decided after that I wanted to get into physiatry.   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Ziaja tree and in physiatry, I, you know, physiatry we learn about rehabilitation of people with stroke and spinal cord injury, amputations, and nerve impairment, but I focus on rehabilitation of the person with chronic pain, because I see I can see how this is so debilitating, and it’s an invisible disability that people have nothing to show that is wrong. But you still can rehabilitate them and help them to conquer their pain. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last 30 years since I graduated from medical school.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right um, I asked you before we got on how long did it take you to write the book and you told me about 30 years so it’s always alive. For long learning, did you end up doing your fellowship in pain or chronic pain?   Dr. Andrea Furlan: Is that Yeah. So when I came to Canada, I did a PhD here at the University of Toronto, and then a fellowship in pain medicine. So I am over-studied. Topic.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, wh

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their house so that they can get their health back quickly. And we’re joined with part with Sean Bean in part two, of unlocking the metabolic bottlenecks. And I was so intrigued with all the information, Shawn said last time that I have plenty of notes to follow up on and ask Shawn a little more in-depth questions. Shawn is committed to helping people find answers to pivotal questions that have not yet been asked. He has an innovative approach that combines conventional with integrative modalities. And due to his own circumstances, he has an innate ability to evaluate a case beyond one dimension, but rather multiple dimensions at once. So Shawn, thank you so much for being here.   Shawn Bean: Once again. Thank you for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I’m really excited, John, so that you brought up a couple of things in full transparency that I’m aware of, but I don’t really incorporate as much as I really like to, and given today’s presentation with people that are stressed, and there are EMFs, and mold and COVID. And perfect storms have inflammatory reactions, I would love to sort of piggyback off from what we stopped, and talked about last time, and maybe you could just tell me or tell the listeners Is that what you’re seeing now, Shawn is just sort of the perfect storm of, of these variables, environmentally overlapping with genetics and creating just such a pandemic, pandemic, if you will, or a tidal wave of people that are dealing with health challenges.   Shawn Bean: In my clinical practice, what we’re seeing is we’re seeing the overlap of the underlying cause is going into the nonalcoholic, fatty liver, nonalcoholic fatty liver, I feel has been an under-diagnosed and I feel a probably from the looking at the organic acid test and other clinical data, you’re probably looking at estimate about 7% of Americans have an underlying nonalcoholic fatty liver that is just not being addressed. And when this starts being addressed, people start getting better. And the reason I started bringing that up is as you mentioned before, the phenol pathway. What phenols are, are basically alcohol. And what happens is, due to our genetics due to the environment, our bodies are just not breaking these down. It’s stressing phase one and phase two of the liver. That’s why when we look at the organic acid test we used to see high hip uric acid or maybe low hip uric acid. And it really depends upon you know, the way I explained to my clients is listen, the trash man does not come around fast enough to check trash out. Okay, usually your face one splashing your face too slowly. And in that situation, it usually means that they’re your bile flows all jammed up, or that you’re not your conduit conjugating toxic bile acids because of the small bacterial overgrowth that may have precipitated from the mold and mycotoxins. So when we look at this, we look at the overlying under the overlying cause is these phenols. And phenols had similar similar chemistry to alcohol. So when I’m starting to see the presentation of the nonalcoholic fatty liver, I’m looking at, you know, at the phenols because you’re seeing that just not the body does not the mycotoxins but also your endogenous bacteria in your gut, produce phenols. And we do know that unfortunately, phenol linic acid is one of the most powerful antifungals there is. So one of the things we have to think about is, as a statement I use listen to the body, it will tell you what’s going on. Now, oftentimes, we have these adaptive shifts in the microbiome, what we think is pathogenic is actually trying to help us out. But unfortunately, due to the world we live in, we’re getting bottlenecked. And sometimes when you see these rises phenols. There’s often an underlying cause of a mycotoxin or of a fungal issue going on with Candida because the body knows it needs to produce phenol Linic acid. So what’s the best way? I’m going to shift the microbiome I’m going to raise up one level to compensate for what’s going on. So the bodies may be trying to help us out. We see this a lot in hydrogen sulfide overgrowths. That’s why one of my theories is the reason sulfuric fans help. What do sulfuric fans do? They increase glutathione. They help you to reduce, they help you to keep glutathione in its proper form. So we do know that hydrogen sulfide goes into sulfate. And then sulfate goes into. It’s a building block for glutathione. But it’s also a building block for the glycoproteins in your gut to heal the leaky gut. That’s why glutathione can often sometimes heal the leaky gut. That’s why na di now I just found an article showing that NAD reboots the whole mi

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. Really excited to meet with a colleague. Sean is who we are going to be talking about metabolic bottlenecking and thyroid and adrenals. Sean is an avid researcher, he is constantly in pursuit of deeper ways of looking at disease and chronic illness through the lenses of biology, biochemistry, genetics, epigenetics, and physiology, he has been dubbed the meta-medic metabolic detective of integrative health, oftentimes, he will be the last person to be seen, I can definitely identify with that after the people have exhausted every other therapy, I could go on and on. But Shawn, I really want to just get into the meat and potatoes. So thank you so much for being here today.   Shawn Bean: And Joel, it’s complete honor being with you, because I’ve followed you for many, many years through my own journey. And a lot of your information has been Paradine and getting me to where I am today. In regards to back in the day, you were the adrenal guy, but we all know now that that whole methodology has changed. And what more of the box thinkers were more of the technicians, you know, the people that put you on the diagnostics on the car, and, you know, the people see the big picture, okay, I refer to this as the 40,000-foot view. Okay, it’s like being up the airplane and looking down, rather than, you know like many people are a specialist, you and I are specialists in being generalists. We’re generalized specialists. Okay. So that’s probably the easiest way I explain myself what do you do? I’m, I’m a specialist in media journalism.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. Awesome. Well, listen, I mean, that’s very flattering to know and I appreciate the kind words so I always like to know a little bit about you and I do know some somewhat of your personal story. But for the listeners that may not know, let’s talk about how you became the generalist. That’s what you do.   Shawn Bean: About 20 years ago, I was a natural bodybuilder. To make a long story short, we started the ordered alteration and circadian pattern. I read an article where bodybuilders were getting up at like three o’clock in the morning, you can go back to bed because I’m making no more keep you in protein synthesis. You know, you know, we had a saying that you had to eat every two hours or go catabolic. We know that to be a bunch of nonsense right now. Okay, there are a lot of myths out there that we had no idea about that were disproven. So what happened was, I started getting up at three o’clock in the morning, eating my meal. I read that article from Jay Cutler, who eats like 12 times a day, and I was eating about 10 times a day. And my whole life revolved around feeding myself. I mean, the number of calories I was eating, I was probably around five 600 grams of protein, 400 grams of carbs, and probably about 135 grams of fat to maintain my 225 pounds, you know, four to 5% body fat composition. Because being a mezzo month, we had to eat calories because I had a fast metabolism. And I rarely ever did cardio. So what happened there was because of the circadian pattern, I started to have sleep disturbances, I started having museological dysfunctions, and there are warning signs before I even went into contest time. When everyone get done contest, we went decided to have sushi. So being stressed, my immune system was compromised, we were at the sushi bar for about five hours, and I think I put on between 15 and 20 pounds of water weight in that timeframe because, after the contest, you get done, you can literally see yourself growing. You know, it was insane, because of water retention. And then I started to feel icky afterwards and like and then I started out with mountain direction problems. I went to the doc you know, the whole story, go Doctor GI doctor, nothing wrong, you know, it’s like you got a guy coming in your office now that was like 185 pounds, and then, you know, six weeks later at 240 pounds, you know, the first thing out of the mouth of steroids. Like dude, I hadn’t touched that stuff in years prior for this stuff happens so we can go down that rabbit hole. Okay, and they always want to so I walked into the doctor’s office, and they text my testosterone came back 35 to 35 total, which now we know is basically what is called unit which is basically castration level. No no and explanation. So he gave me like five milligrams of Androgel, which we knew was a total joke, but did nothing. So I started to look at my labs, and I started to know the alkaline phosphatase was low. I brought this to his attention. He didn’t recognize it. I started to notice my thyroid was off even though it was in a normal range. But you know, the bas

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back. And I had to do an inventory on what number this is morally, this is number seven. And there’s always new information, especially when you go on a sabbatical when you’re in research, and you’re looking at what’s going on, and all that good stuff. I’m sure everyone knows who you are. But just in case they don’t, I just wanted to mention that you are the organizer and the producer, and the founder of the root cause protocol, as well as the magnesium advocacy group. And really, I believe your mission morally, is to dispense the truth on what’s going on in the world, and what’s going on with mineral balancing. And maybe you can just sort of piggyback from there.   Morley Robbins: Yeah, no, I appreciate the intro. And oh, my gosh, seven, seven conversations. That’s amazing. I, I like to separate fact, from fiction. And I think what dominates the worlds of healing and nutrition is a lot of fiction, a lot of narrative. And people don’t realize that. And so it’s been an amazing process of discovery over the last 15 years to see, what the literature says because I regard that as a will a bedrock of reality. Because if you’re going to uncover some uncomfortable truths, you’re going to publish it. And there’s a lot of goals, and then and then now hills, and I’ve been blessed enough to be able to identify a lot of articles. I came across a piece of paper that I put together, it was February of this year. And it was top 100 articles that I had read. And I just wanted to challenge myself. And I think I did like 65 just by memory alone. And I’ve been working to fill out the rest of the other 35. But you know, it’s there about 25 or 30 authors who I’ve come to rely on, and they’re all truthers. They’re all really committed to making sure that people know that the cold hard reality of what really runs the body, what runs the planet, if you will, in terms of metabolic standpoint, it has been fascinating to kind of weave that together in a tapestry, and help people understand what’s going on.   Dr. Joel Rosen: No, that’s awesome. I know one of your sayings. And you’ve mentioned the story about how when you asked noted research, and I don’t remember who it was, what’s new, and he mentioned to you it’s not what’s new, it’s what’s enduring. And what’s great is that I would have been more skeptical to think that newer produced research would be to stand the test of time and endure because of the politics and the gaming and the motivation behind the research. But it sounds like the research is still enduring as it trudges through time, I guess, is that correct?   Morley Robbins: Absolutely true. No, it’s, it’s interesting. I mean, researly evolved during the course of the 19th and 20th centuries, and now the 21st century. But it’s, it still has this bedrock of commitment to what’s really going on. I think things did change, though, during the Reagan era, when the funding for research moved away from the government and went more toward Big Pharma. A lot of research is being funded by the fox that’s guarding the henhouse. And like, we’ve got to be careful about the conclusions we draw from that. But for the most part, it is this paragon of stable truth that we can rely on.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, and I guess it’s you know who the author is. And once they’ve established their credibility, you’re more relying on the truth of that. So right, so one of the things that we’ve been meaning to touch base on for a while, is the PacM enzyme and how volatile and pivotal that is for everything that goes on in the body. So maybe give the listeners who even if they haven’t followed, followed all six previous ones of these ones, but why, why it fits so nicely in the jigsaw of this mosaic.   Morley Robbins: It’s interesting. There’s a theme around blue when it comes to copper. We’ve talked about the blue protein, so Reuleaux plasmon, we’ve talked about the blue complex, which is complex for of the mitochondria. We’ve talked about the locus Cyrillus the Blue Dot, which is at the top of our brainstem on either side, there’s literally a blue dot that’s full of copper that’s critical for maintaining our, health and well-being. And I’ve often thought that there was a blueprint, but I wasn’t quite sure what it was. And so my first awareness of the importance of a blueprint, if you will, goes back to 2010. I read the book mastering leptin, a great book, and talked about, the hormone that tells us to stop eating.

If you would like to try the Formula IQ difference, my favorite RCP supplements ie: Beef liver, Adrenal cocktail, cod liver, etc. click here Be sure to use “Welcome10off” for 10% off your first order   Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And what a pleasure it is to be joined with Mike Casey. He is a multi-dimensional entrepreneur and the CEO and founder of Formula IQ, a Health Solutions leader and accelerator with a focus on expanding the boundaries of health through aligning partnered brands and products. Mike rose to become a prominent leader in the integrative health space, through his early years in the Health Solutions, supplement manufacturing, and disruptive marketing and technology industries. After assisting several health solutions, and disruptive tech companies accelerating from early stages to millions in sales, and after realizing the fundamental need for specialized attention and creativity in unifying brands, marketing, and product creations to the health solution front, Mike created what is now Formula IQ in 2013. Mike, we could go on, but I want to get to the meat and potatoes today. So thank you so much for joining me.   Mike Casey: It’s my pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, absolutely. So what we always like to get insight with our guests, Mike is how they got into the area that they got into in the health and wellness space. And being a disrupter and having this supplement company, tell me a little bit about your journey, and maybe your health background or any challenges that you might have been dealing with for you to ultimately get to the position that you’re in today.   Mike Casey: Sure, absolutely. You know, it’s funny, I used to tell this story in a different way of how I got into this space, we all have our own unique way of what prompted us to be in this industry. You know, I used to tell people that I have an athletic background, and I do I’m still a competitive athlete now. And that led me to supplements and wanting to work in the industry in the space. But, you know, as I’ve dug deeper over the years, I’ve gotten older and more perspective on things, I actually realized that you know, it was more of my upbringing, it was more of my, my teenage years as a child, you know, we were fed extremely unhealthy stuff. We had no idea at the time, you know, you know, I’m like I said, a competitive athlete now. But I was an extremely overweight child. And as I was coming up, my father had heart problems. He had a heart attack at a very early age. My mom also struggled with many different disorders and things as we were coming up. And the real answer to the question is, have we had all the money in the world as a family, but we had no answers? My dad had all the top procedures done and still had no answers, you know, being in his early 40s, and having to have a triple bypass on his heart, and not knowing why failed solutions for health for my mother, you know, it just led me to, to know that there had to be a different way, there had to be a better way. So I set out in my late teens actually knowing that I wanted to do something in the integrative health space, which is rare for people to know that his young age, but I was certain and so I dove in headfirst and began studying human nutrition food sciences and supplements just caught my interest because, to me, they created a bridge of health that was there for people who didn’t currently have it before.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Awesome, awesome story. So yeah, not to not to discount the fact that you knew at such an early age, and that was as a response to just what your family members had been going through?   Mike Casey: Yeah, no, it was, it was realizing that you know, my father was one of the earliest people, he was one of the first patients to ever have robotic bypass surgery done. So you know, we had access to some of the greatest techniques, some of the greatest advancements out there. But, you know, looking back, I realized that the one thing that we never got, right was the nutrition, we never got the diet, right? And ironically enough, I tell this, this story, you know, here and there now, but my parents, my family were anti supplements, for some reason, they, they just, they classified them as bad they classified them as something that you shouldn’t do is dangerous. You know, I remember in my early teenage years, I got grounded for having protein powder. So if that tells you how anti-supplement they were, and it was, it was just a fact that they didn’t understand what they were utilized for. So it forced me to want to know why I needed answers. And the traditional medical system didn’t have them. So, you know, I knew that ther

Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And it’s a pleasure for me to be joined by Michael Platt MD, who’s board-certified in Internal Medicine. He specializes in wellness and hormone therapy. He’s considered one of the leading experts in managing excess adrenaline and the use of high-dose progesterone. He’s the author of three books, the miracle of bioidentical hormones, the Platt Protocol for hormone balancing, and the one that we want to be talking about today is adrenaline dominant. So, Dr. Platt, thank you so much for being here today.   Michael Platt, MD: I’m glad to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Thank you. So I always start with hearing maybe your own health journey, and why you may be the Reader’s Digest version of why you got into health care in the first place. And tell us about any health challenges or why you got into this area in the first place.   Michael Platt, MD: Well, I Well, in terms of becoming a doctor, it is just something I always wanted to be and but what actually guided my, my way into anti hormones, was the fact that my mother died of breast cancer at the age of 61, she’s pretty young. And I realized right after she died, that I had inherited her hormones. You know, most people don’t realize that many women have identical hormones, different levels, but the same hormones, and the fact that she had breast cancer, you know, told me that she was low and progesterone to too much estrogen. And, and, and the thing is, at that time when I was driving, I used to have to slap my face trying to keep my eyes open. And, and I thought, well, maybe B is some kind of relationship here. And, I figured I was putting on too much insulin. And I thought, well, because she’s low. And I said I’m probably low on progesterone, just like my mother is. So I started using progesterone. And since the first day that I’ve done that, I’ve never gotten to sleep in a car anymore. And that got me really interested in hormones. So I, you know, learned as much as I could, and I had a great advantage over a lot of other doctors because I had a good night. I was able to spend at least two hours with every patient. And let me tell you something, you know when you sit down to talk to a person and find out what their problems are, and then see, see how they react to certain things. You learn a lot. And you know, if you one thing you might notice in my books, there are no references. Because everything I’ve learned, I’ve learned from my patient. You know, that they call that observational-based medicine. Doctors are more comfortable with what the quote was to say.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Like peer-reviewed research base article.   Michael Platt, MD: Yeah. But anyway, so that’s, that’s how I got involved with hormones and.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, Gotcha. So and you are outspoken about that, maybe we’ll just go into it a little bit in terms of just being dissatisfied with the medical system. And finding out that your mother, you know, passed away with potentially a condition that had she’d been properly worked up, she could have stayed around for longer and have the benefit of having two hours with each patient and asking questions and pulling in relevant information that you can’t glean in a two-minute encounter. And you’ve mentioned how the idea is unknown in the medical community and Miss diagnosing. So maybe we can start from there in terms of why is that happening? Do you feel?   Michael Platt, MD: Well, something that a lot of people are not aware of is that doctors first of all, get no training in hormones, even though hormones control everything in the body, doctors get no training and hormones. And what’s interesting especially gynecologists, and that women go to get hormone advice. The and the other thing is that doctors are not trained to treat the cause of illness. It just trained to give out bad days. And a lot of this, of course, is because drug companies have tremendous control over how medicine is practiced. And you know, they control the FDA, they control the medical boards, they control medical schools. And what’s interesting about it Drug companies, have no interest in people being healthy. And that’s who runs our whole medical system. And that’s why, as we speak, the United States is at the bottom of the list of all civilized countries that turn to health care. We have a terrible healthcare system. Been unpopular and people are not aware of it.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it is. It is discouraging. And I do think it’s sort of like a ship turning in the ocean, it takes a long time to really see progress. But I guess, just glancing out into the future, do

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their house so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined here by a special guest, Jeff Hoyt, he specializes in developing innovative wellness solutions to meet the needs in the health and wellness industry. His goal is to help people live a healthier, happier, longer life and make available effective and efficient solutions for healthcare, recovery, and improvement. Jeff believes in challenging the status quo and doing things differently to get results that have never been seen before. He has developed several innovative brands that are all revolutionizing wellness with a focus on zeolites and the effectiveness that detoxification strategies. And that’s what we’re going to be talking to you guys today about. So, Jeff, thank you so much for being here. I appreciate you spending time with us today.   Jeff Hoyt: Absolutely. Thanks for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so I have done a lot of research before we got on the call. So I would ask you intelligent questions. And then right towards the end of it, I opened up a whole treasure chest of rabbit holes of the studies that you’ve been doing. And I’d want to get into that. But Jeff, I always like to hear your house story. Before we got started, you said that you had some challenges, maybe tell our listeners why you got into the area or a little bit of history of your health challenges so that they can identify with where you’ve come from.   Jeff Hoyt: Sure, yeah. It was just my journey that brought me into this otherwise, I’d probably be selling insurance or doing something in the financial realm. But I’m glad I’m not. So just growing up had several issues. I was on antibiotics, just from basically from birth. And a lot of just a lot of issues there. I had a relatively healthy childhood after you know, each five or six, but then had some events in high school had a vaccine injury during high school, and then basically just had a lot of autoimmune issues going forward, forward started, I went down the conventional medicine route for a little while. And that just did not work. I saw a lot of people, you know, it’s the normal stuff, you get sent to the shrink and say it’s all in your head. And you know, your listeners probably might sound familiar, but then I found functional medicine. So one of my co-workers said, Hey, you should check out this guy. He does functional medicine. He’s like, Alright, let’s do it. And the functional medicine doctor did things a little differently. And I appreciated that he put me on a food sensitivity test. And that helped me a lot. I ended up going and working for the food sensitivity laboratory for a couple of years because it helps so much. That’s how I kind of learned more about functional medicine. Because I was working with functional medicine Docs and I did some functional medicine training myself. Then I got into the supplement industry, basically from personal health, a family health experience, actually, my grandma was diagnosed with late-stage cancer. And she was given between six hours and seven days to live. And she was in her 80s. So she said, you know, she’s ready. But then she decided she was going to fight it. And basically, long story short, you found this guy kind of in the middle of nowhere in the country, taught me a few things that are, you know, even for natural or functional, holistic medicine. They were out there, but she lived over two years longer. And she’s the only person in recorded history to live over two years with that specific answer in that stage. So, it was a great story. She felt like she Fulfilled God’s purpose for her life. And that two years, and it was honestly awesome. But anyway, from there, I launched one of my first supplement companies like life Sciences, just doing immune regulatory supplements, ended up opening a clinic, the recharge clinic, kind of a biohacking facility with oxygen therapy, red light therapy, saunas, all that fun stuff, just trying to find what works because there’s so much good stuff out there. And still for myself, trying to find what works as well. And then I stumbled across zeolite, about five years ago. And it just was a complete game changer. So out of all the technology I was utilizing, out of all the supplements, I was using just high-quality stuff, nothing for my clients worked as well as zeolite when used properly. So I said, Alright, there’s something to it. And then I just started getting in there figuring out why just developing theories. And that’s where I’m at now. So then I’ve recently launched my second supplement company, which is zeolite labs. And that’s the product there is zero charge. So it’s a next-generati

Dr. Joel Rosen: And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today, what a real pleasure. I’m joined by Andres Olson, he’s a trainer. He’s an author, he’s an innovator is the founder of conscious breathing. He’s been on an incredible journey since he decided to be the world’s foremost expert in breathing. His mind was racing his whole life. And he was fortunate to come across different tools to help him with his inner calm. And he’s really settled in on the conscious breathing retraining program. And I’ll let him explain his entire story today and how this will help you with your stress response and being exhausted and burnt out. So with more with no further ado, Andres, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate your time.   Anders Olsson: Thank you, Dr. Joel, for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So I always like to get a little bit of your background, and I know you were in the import of computers and gadgets, and so forth. And what was it that made you finally realize that you’ve got to, you’ve got to change the trajectory that you’re on?   Anders Olsson: Well, you know, I was just chasing money and having these long to-do lists and a lot of inner stress and didn’t feel fulfilled, felt empty inside. And although the money I chased, they started to come in. And that’s what you think may be the key to success to happiness, but I found out it wasn’t. So that’s when I started to look at health and become interested in health. And it coincided with my when my son when he was six years old, and he was diagnosed with Lyme disease. And he didn’t feel well at all. And at the time, my view of the hospital and the doctor, and the healthcare system was very, like I lived in the computer world. So it was very binary, either you take a test, and either you’re healthy, or you’re sick. And that was not the case, I realized when I came there with my son that there was a lot of guesswork and a lot of ways of interpreting the results. It was not black or white, which of course makes a lot of sense because our bodies are hugely complex. But for me when my son didn’t feel well, it was a way for me to try to help him and dig into how the body works. And ever since I’ve been stuck in that because it’s so so so fascinating.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. Thank you for sharing, I do a lot of Nutri genomic interpretations, which in English means we look at your genome. And we look at the overlapping environmental talk triggers, if you will, that ended up causing the loaded genetic gun to go off and creating this perfect storm of genetic susceptibilities and environmental triggers that create exhaustion, fatigue, burnout, and under. One of the areas in that studies that we look at is the entire we call the Fenton reaction side of the pyramid, which is, of course when oxygen mixes with iron. And it’s another way that our respiratory cellular ability to use oxygen breaks down. But the whole point of what I’m trying to get at is the gentleman that formulated that software, he won a lot of studies in Islands, which is in the conferences of Lyme disease, and he found that majority of people that get hit harder, everything else being equal in terms of health challenges, are these ones that have these genetic susceptibilities of not moving iron out a tissue, so they can’t open the doorway for iron to get out. They can’t convert vitamin beta carotene into vitamin A, they have difficulty with transporting copper, very difficult time recycling their iron. And it has to do with pretty much what you’ve discovered, which is that if you’re not breathing at that cellular level, effectively, any other environmental triggers are gonna make you that much worse. So I guess the question would be in that process with your son and with your own health, where did oxygen or how did oxygen come into the equation?   Anders Olsson: Yeah, it was a few years later when I read a book actually how to swap asthma for life by changing your breathing, and it had a profound effect on me on my ability to calm down. I had this racing mind for the majority of my life and looking back I realized that what I wanted more than anything was a way simple, yet effective way to calm down. And I tried many different things changing my eating habits, training habits, drinking habits, working habits. But it was when I found out about changing your breathing habits, that was the key for me, it has such a huge impact. So almost immediately I noticed the effect, just by turning my breath and changing it, I could notice the effect on being able to calm down. And I thought this is way too good to keep to myself, I really want to spread it to the worl

Dr. Joel Rosen: Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And I’m joined by an exciting colleague of ours and mentor and friend, Dr. Kelly Halderman, who has a background in functional medicine. She earned her medical degree in 2007. And she completed her family medicine internship at the University of Minnesota in 2019. She’s an educator, she’s a formulator. She’s always on the cutting edge. And I invited her to come back onto our show because we could hear about what’s new and exciting in Kelly’s world. So Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today.   Dr. Kelly Halderman: Thanks, Dr. Jill. It’s great to be back. I think this may be my third time since.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Part three, yes, this is part two, yes. Yes. And we’ll put the other links to the parts and maybe we can kind of springboard from there. Because of the part ones and twos, we were talking about detox 2.5, and the role that that plays and how so maybe, let’s just maybe give the Reader’s Digest version of that. So that can kind of bring us into what we’re talking about today.   Dr. Kelly Halderman: Yeah, that’s a great place to start, I’m kind of known for being the detox, Queen. So obviously, it’s important and you know, phase 2.5. So we all know that we have detoxification mechanisms in our body. And up until about five years ago, I didn’t even know about phase 2.5. And I named it that because it’s the phase of detoxification that saved my life. We know that the liver is the workhorse of detoxification, when we think about it, we have phase zero, where the toxin is entering the liver phase one where it’s being transformed phase two words being made water-soluble because the goal when you have toxins in your bodies to get them out via your bile, now you can sweat them out, you know, there are different ways to toxins out but really in the liver, we need to make them water soluble, because the bile is mostly water, it’s aqueous, it’s an aqueous solution. So your liver makes the bile gets squeezed into where it lands in the colon. And then we’re looking at it ending up in the toilet, so that’s great. So But the caveat is, is that when the toxin is made water soluble, you have to get, you have to get that pretty toxin, like into the bile. And there’s this step. And it is so important that I named it because I’m like, let’s pay attention to 2.5. And that step involves getting it through its called the membrane canaliculus to get to the bile, right? So that’s up right there, we have to make sure that that transporter is open, what shuts that down that phase 2.5, getting the toxin out into you know, into the toilet and sort of back into your blood is inflammation. So that’s a huge thing. dehydration. So if you’re dehydrated, and you don’t have any bile moving, and you’re kind of stuck with that, with that toxin, there are some other things but really that that premise right there of getting that movement going in the body. And I wrote a book about this, and it’s soon to be released. And we’ll come back and talk about that. But go back to another podcast, we go in-depth on that. But detoxification and of itself is something that again, it’s it saved my life to get it going and properly. Get those phases going and not just do some random detox and July, I’ve learned from YouTube, we’ve kind of put our heads together about like, what’s the best way to do this? And we’ve had so much success, with weight loss, I mean, hormonal balances everything in your body, it really depends on you keeping the movement of toxins out right.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Now that’s an excellent chair. And it kind of points to the fact that a lot of people have it on their radar that are sick and dealing with major health challenges. Oh, I know, I got to do a liver detox, I got to do a juice cleanse, I need to get rid of these toxins that are building up in my body. People know they’re toxic, and realize that they have to do some kind of protocol. But what they don’t realize is sort of that perfect storm of inflammation shutting down that 2.5 window, but also that combination of there might be some genetic susceptibilities that make that a lot more difficult and you need to support that and it’s not just take your artichoke, dandelion and milk thistle and juice cleanse and everything’s just going to be fine. So nuances. Yeah. As it relates to you, Kelly, what was it on the 2.5 that besides the inflammation, or were there any other factors that had made it more challenging for you up until learning about the 2.5 little window that they go through that made it difficult for you to you kn

Dr. Joel Rosen: Welcome back once again to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And again, what another pleasure that I have here today with Dr. Bob Miller, this is our third edition. But each time we do it, there’s so much more information to go over. And that’s why I reached out to him again, but Bob is a traditional naturopath specializing in the field of genetics specific nutrition, and he’s earned his naturopathic degree from Trinity School of Natural Health, he opened his tree of life and has served naturopathic traditional approaches for 27 years. And for the past several years, he’s been engaged exclusively with the functional nutritional genetic variants and related research, Bob, I know I could go on and on, but we want to give the listener some incredible value today. So thank you so much for your time.   Dr. Bob Miller: Oh, it was an honor to be here, and so much fun to work with people like you who understand this and see the value of it and want to pass it on to their viewers. So we’re gonna have some fun today.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Yes, I appreciate that. So I will be quite honest. And I haven’t been on every single one of your webinars. But what I do is because you have a archive, I’ll really go down those archives and really go in sort of a binge, if you will. So I’ve been on a binge recently, and like, I got to reach out to Bob, because there’s so much more that we know. And I think it’s probably just best for you to take over the steering wheel and tell us what you’ve been learning about environmental factors that overlap with genetic susceptibility that create these perfect storms of people that are getting sicker and sicker and sicker and seeing more and more people that have very little answers for them. And maybe just take it away from there, Bob.   Dr. Bob Miller: Okay, sounds like a plan. I’m gonna do a screen share here and see, there we go. You’re seeing the screen. Okay. Yep, we’re seeing the screen. Okay, the two things we want to talk about today as grantees, and ferroptosis. And these may be terms that some of your listeners may have never even heard of before. And we’re going to be trying to explain what they are, how we get there. And then, of course, what we can do for it. And of course, you know, I was mentioning, this is educational, informational only, we’re not telling people how to diagnose or treat any disease. So as I often say, this is the 3d chess game played underwater, because a lot of times people are looking for, oh, what’s the snip? What’s the gene? And then what do I do for it, and I’m learning over time, that it’s much more complex than that. I mean, there are a couple of snips in genetics that might be related to disease. But many of the things we’re seeing today are just, as you mentioned, tired adrenals worn out, because they’re making so much mast cells and histamine. And I believe these are two pathways that will create that the production of something called grantees and ferroptosis. But as you mentioned, this is more than just genetics, its environmental factors. There’s an old saying of genetics loads, the gun environment pulls the trigger, and we’re being exposed to so many new environmental factors, you’ll you’ll get a kick out of this, one of my jokes is when I, when I talk to people, I’ll say, you know, I was born in 1954. And that means I was born on a different planet than we are today. When I was, when I was born, there was no such thing as high fructose corn syrup. We didn’t give the animals growth hormones, we didn’t genetically modify the foods. We didn’t have all the Wi Fi and cell phones. Our waters weren’t polluted with plastics, we didn’t have all the agricultural chemicals. We are just living in a soup of chemicals that nobody’s ever done any long term studies as to how they impact us. And when you look at how people are getting sicker, I mean, autism used to be one out of 1000. Now, it’s one out of 4445. You know, when I was young, we used to call it adult onset diabetes. Now children are getting autoimmune disease is going through the roof. Something is happening. Our genetics haven’t changed. They’re the same as they were 100 years ago. But the environment has changed drastically. And unfortunately, some people have genetic predispositions that they can’t handle that as well. That’s why you’ll see two people living in a house. And one person is terribly impacted by the mold. And the other one says, this is all in your head because I don’t feel a thing. And when they don’t feel anything, they don’t know that it’s that it’s real. But

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. I’m here with a great patient of ours to go over his experiences with us, Mark Mariani. He worked with us a couple of years ago. And we have him on the call to be able to discuss some of his experiences with us. So thanks so much, Mark, for joining us today to have a conversation.   Mark Mariani: My pleasure, my honor. I’m glad to be here.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yes, thank you. So I always like to go back to your initial paperwork and the things that you wrote in terms of where you are when we first started. And maybe you could talk a little bit about your past history, I know that you had a pretty quiet, quite stressful background, which you felt kind of got you into this mess in terms of pushing so hard and being hard-driven. So maybe let’s talk a little bit about what were you dealing with. And how did you get to where you got to before you and I started working together?   Mark Mariani: Yeah, gotcha. So I’ve lived a pretty crazy life. And it’s a lot of stuff. So I’m going to try to cram it is, you know, as small as I possibly can, and in a short amount of time. So a former Marine, when I was in the Marine Corps, I was with an anti-Terrorism Unit. So traveled all over Southeast Asia, doing these anti-terrorism security measures, as you can imagine, you know, I was in some pretty sticky situations, and you know, it was pretty stressful. So got out of the Marine Corps, went back and went to college, and got a degree in criminal justice with a concentration in private security. Now, when I got out of the Marine Corps, I knew that I had a little bit of, we’ll say, PTSD, hypervigilance, and, you know, just dealing with a lot of the stuff that I did, but I never really addressed the root cause, you know, I was, you know, a Marine, you know, I’m tough and, you know, I can, I can persevere, this isn’t gonna affect me. So as I went to college, you know, never really kind of dealt with it had some sleep issues. You know, I wouldn’t say full-on insomnia, but, you know, definitely wasn’t getting really good sleep. But again, I just never kind of dealt with the root cause. After I graduated, I ended up getting hired by Gavin de Becker and Associates, which is an executive protection firm, based out of California, and I got assigned to a multi-billion dollar family and I ended up running a 10-man protective detail. And as you can imagine, it was full on I lived out of a suitcase, nine months out of the year, you know, running, you know, this, this detail and dealing with his family and just all over the place to timezone changes, you know, it was, again, very, very, very stressful. And the sleep issues got even worse, I ended up you know, just trying to put my, my finger in the hole, and, you know, just all these, you know, simple, you know, fixes that never actually got to the root of the cause I ended up going on sleeping pills. And you know, that’s, that made things even worse, and then, you know, my energy was getting depleted, so caffeine, coffee, etc, etc. So I did that for six years, you know, was pretty burnout realized that wasn’t really my calling got out of that line of work. And then I ended up going back to school, getting a degree in exercise physiology, and getting into the health and wellness field, which I’m currently in. And that actually brought me overseas. So I lived abroad for 11 years, kind of traveled around Southeast Asia worked for multiple different brands as a master instructor running fitness retreats, I’ve opened up a gym, you know, teaching certification courses, and, you know, we’re working with 10s of 1000s of people. Now, in that process, I, you know, kind of burned myself out, you know, I was, you know, traveling everywhere, again, giving everything that I had to everybody else, and I wasn’t necessarily taking care of myself, and you know, kind of doing that, that deep work. And then it just got me to a point roughly about two years ago, prior to when we started working together. Where like it just I crashed, I crashed, I had nothing left in me. You know, just to get up in the morning and get through the day was the drag. The insomnia was horrible. I was only getting a couple of hours of sleep at night. I was stuck in hyper-vigilant mode and didn’t quite know how to get out of it. And yeah, everything just went sour. I ended up getting this position to come back to the US and it was a great opportunity. Didn’t know if I was going to have the energy to do it. But it brought me closer to family back to the US and again a great opportunity. So I decided to do that and I knew that I needed to find somebody that was going to you know in the background you know helped me make some some change. Just figure out exactly you know, what was going on, you know, with with with my body. And then I started doing a lot of research, yo

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about their health and the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get them back to an energized way of living quickly and fast. Today I have Daniel the natural path or Daniel Thompson. He’s an American race French trained TRADITIONAL FOODS oriented naturopath, who uses modern and traditional ideas, combining scientific knowledge and intuition for a refreshing solution-focused perspective on today’s challenges. He also runs two companies, one in Texas, and one in France called the Heart of tradition in New US, which really seeks to bring topical magnesium and a blue glass of high quality and purity to the US markets and help others through his discoveries of living 15 years in France. He’s an avid self-taught researcher, Chef, Tango, dancer, basketball, basketball, or opera lover, and to stop loving personality, I have to ask him more about that with a love for the mysteries of life, the wonders of recovery, and homemade raw milk cheesecake. So Daniel, thanks so much for being here today. I appreciate you spending time with us.   Daniel Thompson: Thank you. Thank you. I’m really happy to be here. I was excited to get this message.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Excellent. Yeah, I had I had our team reach out to you. So I always like to start Daniel with giving us your health journey, you know, being a natural path and being dedicated to bringing new discoveries to the market, kind of give us a springboard on maybe the Reader’s Digest version of your history and how you got into this in the first place.   Daniel Thompson: Yeah, I went to school as a naturopath in France. And it’s, it’s, you know, it kind of got me into the more to the health side. And I had been studying little things before, but that kind of all connected it and eventually developed this supplement company. In France, we kind of hit the top of the market, they’re doing the transdermal magnesium as well. And it was kind of the first on the market there. So it was kind of a six it was a success and easier success. And then started to come here to do that. I also learned a lot about the Weston Price Foundation and other doctors I learned a lot about nutrition and how to use nutrition as a way to overcome it. I guess you could say, what we see in the American market is a high level of supplementation. In Europe, we find a very intense level of vitamin combinations in food, which do not are not found here. One small example is if you go to Central Market here in Austin, which is the best spot I guess. And you find traditional foods like all prepared and prepared foods, you know, you see no gelatin and you go to Europe, you go to a place like that gelatin is on everything. And so you’re like, well, what’s the difference here? Where’s the gelatin, you know? And so we’ve gotten into a certain way of making things where we have stripped away the assimilators and things that help us to get, you know, you talk about acidity, I’m sure because you work with adrenal fatigue and, and gelatin is the key to that. I mean, some of these ways that we get this stuff to work in the body, and even get the veins the glycine, and everything to work right without the certification has to do with basic principles of nutrition that are used in a daily repetitive, somewhat medical way, but through food.   Dr. Joel Rosen: No, absolutely. So as far as going on the next topic you did mention when we were figuring out what’s the best conversation to go down the difference between the European way you just cited an example and the American way. What other ways are you seeing that play out beside the gelatin Daniel?   Daniel Thompson: Difference? Well, as we mentioned before, with the Fogra, like, you know, this is another element that’s very powerful. I know a lot of Americans don’t know about it, but we’re finding out more about the fogger I’ve seen miracles happen using photographs for people I’ve seen women that had the body completely intercepted by soy and like no breast, for example, at 30 years old, and start taking the flag raw like on kind of a gamble like this guy’s crazy and watch themselves change within months and to grow these this back that there was never there and just mind-blowing stuff because the interception of the K two has happened through the genetics through soy and through the lack thereof to like, you know, soy kind of changes some of the parameters and the form. But then we also have the lack itself, the deficiency itself and so it’s really hard to get a good dose of K to MK four and its active form. You can find pills and stuff but this active level is just a different thing. different game, and you see it quicker, it moves faster, and you can go much quick

Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of about your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that they can get their health back quickly. And it’s really exciting for me to interview a new friend of mine, Dr. Seth Gilson. Seth was born and raised in South Florida. He graduated with a degree in Biology from the University of Florida. And then he completed his dental school at NOVA Southwestern. He has been an avid sports and health enthusiast, and he’s played soccer in both South Florida and New York, at the collegiate and professional levels. So he has a mission to not only help oral health, but overall health nutrition environment, when he’s consulting, diagnosing, treating, and coaching his patients and clients. So that’s what makes it so interesting to talk to you today, Seth, so thank you so much for being on the call.   Dr. Seth Gilson: Of course. Thank you, Joe.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so in that bio, was there anything that happened or just you already knew you wanted to get into dentistry, kind of tell us how you ended up winding up in the dental field.   Dr. Seth Gilson: Well, it’s, um, it’s nothing particularly special to be perfectly honest. By I mean, long story short, I was my focus was professional soccer. And after sustaining an injury with that, I shifted, and I was always into health and wellness, I was into nutrition and fitness because that’s where my focus was in my life. But when that shifted, I was also good at math and science. So I’m like, okay, my mom was nice and has been an ICU nurse since before I was born. So I kind of had that, that medical background in the house my whole life growing up. So I transferred to UF and took a course there called Introduction to professional medicine. And it kind of takes you through all the different professions in medicine and things like that, from chiropractics to cardiology, interventional radiology, and obviously, dentistry. And it was something I never really thought about, but I was intrigued by it. So I started getting involved in more research and shadowing different doctors at hospitals and private practice. And it came to me that one of the cornerstones of health that we just don’t realize is our mouse, it’s, it’s how it’s the most interactive other than our skin, it’s the most interactive kind of organ that we have with it with the outside world. And what’s going on with their mouth impacts what’s going on with their body. And one of the ways I refer to the mouth is it’s a doorway and a window. And it’s a doorway, meaning things 99.9% of the time only go in through the mouth. But it’s a window because you can also see the inside from the outside. So a lot of times you can tell what’s going on with a mouth bait, I mean, with the body based on what’s going on in the mouth.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Gotcha. So you knew once you did that kind of broke up when you mentioned the different course that you took, but I guess with all the different disciplines, it was a, an immediate resonance of this is what I want to do. And that I, I see that there’s this whole oral biome, like what was it that was that right from the get-go? Is that sort of evolved over doing it?   Dr. Seth Gilson: Yeah, that wasn’t right from the get-go. Like, my initial spark of interest is like, oh, okay, I can use the knowledge and the things that interest me, but in my mind, like math and science and stuff like that, but there’s also an artistic side of dentistry, and then it’s more interactive with people and it’s very hands-on, and I was goalkeeper in soccer, I was always using my hands. I like doing, I don’t just like seeing or researching. I appreciate researching and reading and things like that. But the activity of doing and being an active participant in treatments and ongoing situations with patients was intriguing to me. And as I said, it allowed me to explore my creative side in the sense because of that artistic aspect of dentistry as well. That was the initial kind of pull toward it.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Okay, and it’s interesting because I look back at my journey, and I know when I injured my back, and I didn’t want to go for surgery, and someone helped me that was a chiropractor. That’s what I wanted to do, right? Because it sort of had that unique experience. So it wasn’t like you had a specific experience with the mentor doctor that you decided to do it was just more of the right, the right feel at the right time. It combined your background with your hands and your skill set to be able to get but you know, I’m just curious, like, no one ever really feels like they want to be in someone’s mouth all day, right? I mean, what did that kind of resonate with you or like, d

Dr. Joel Rosen: So here we are for another edition of the truth about your health with my distinguished and honorable guests, Morley, and Morley Robbins. And we are here to discuss this is actually part four, I believe, or part   Morley Robbins: Might be part 5.   Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. So I know Ari Witten said part 17 or part 16. But we’re on our way there. So I’m excited to have you in my office. It’s a pleasure. So So Morley, I took a lot of notes after our last interview, and we were talking about the recycling of iron. And it’s fascinating how the body needs only 25 milligrams of iron, of which 24 are what we already have in our body. Exactly. And when it doesn’t, you have a negative regulator, and a positive regulator, copper being the positive regulator, and iron being the negative regulator. And we got into talking about how different environmental factors will make it difficult to negatively regulate energy production. And so can you get into that a little bit because you lost me a little bit, and I listened to it again. And I wanted a little bit more clarification because it wasn’t only vitamin D. There was also high fructose corn syrup that you did on your pot in your masterclass. So maybe we could talk about what happens when the body isn’t able to recycle iron effectively, and how, what the consequences of those are okay?   Morley Robbins: Sure. It’s a really, I think it’s a really foundational concept, understands and appreciates you want to kind of dig a little deeper. Because the whole notion of recycling is foreign to a lot of people like our body recycles. And it seems, as I got into the research, it seems that every recycling program requires copper. And so the cells have a stomach, called the lysosome. And that’s where the recycling takes place. And one of our good friends who’s a radiologist advised is said that the lysosome runs on high-energy peroxides. If you’ve got high-energy peroxide, you may have copper nearby to help manage that and regulate that. And there are not a lot of articles that get into that. But one in particular, that’s very, very good at it, is by Kim and Gonzalez from 2021. It’s a very, it’s pretty high brow. But it’s but I think even the average layman can follow it. Because it really gets into how sophisticated the lysosome is, and how copper-dependent it is as well. And why don’t we know this, right? But the nuance is that every second of every day, every second, we’re gonna make two and a half million red blood cells. Well, the numbers get outrageously big. When you start getting break it down to hemoglobin. And then he, we’re talking, we’re talking really big numbers every second, we’ve got to be able to make that. And where’s that? Where’s that taking place? It’s in the bone marrow. And the bone marrow is principally the pelvic region and the long bones. That’s where most of the bone marrow is. And it’s basically fat. But I think the important thing for folks to understand is that when we do a blood test, to find out what’s going on, especially since 70% of the iron in the body is in hemoglobin. That’s it. I call it the bucket of iron. It’s a huge vessel of iron. That’s evil. Another 10% is supposed to be in the storage protein ferritin. And that is supposed to be inside the cells that are supposed to be in the blood. When it’s in the blood, it means it’s outside the cell. That’s not good. But I know we’re going to come back to that. But then there’s a third and so the ferritin is like a teacup. So we got a bucket, we got a teacup, and then we have what’s called Syrah Meyer. And that’s a thimble. So we have 70% 10% 1/10 of 1% of the iron in the serum, the serum. And it’s a really important 1/10 of 1%. Because it’s telling us how efficient the recycling system is. And so there’s a huge amount of iron in the blood. When we do a blood test, only 1% of copper is in the blood. 46% is in the bone marrow. So if you really want to measure someone’s true copper status, you got to do a bone marrow biopsy. That’s fun. Yeah, you first Yeah. No, no one ever thinks about that, right? And if you really want to know what someone’s iron status really is, either do a needle biopsy of a liver or do a Tesla to MRI. Right? They’re very accurate. But that’s the Tesla three, not the Tesla 4567, Tesla for some reason has the best affinity for measuring iron status, like, go faded, right? So that the issue is the recycling system is critical for turning over the iron. And where’s this? You know, so you’ve got, you’ve got the situation where iron is being stored in ferritin. But it’s got to be released, it’s got to get out. And it turns out that there are two different t

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get your health back quickly. And Part Four really with a mentor, a friend, a colleague, and someone that I re proud to say, I know Morley Robbins. He’s the Creator if you don’t know by now, of the root cause protocol and magnesium advocacy group. And Morley is just always digging down deeper into the rabbit holes. And I got a text from him the other day telling me that we’re not only overdue for a chat, but he wants to tell me all about her side and how it’s causing utter chaos in the recycling system of the cells. And it’s too good to turn down. So here we are today, Morley. Thanks for joining us today. I appreciate your time.   Morley Robbins: Absolutely. Yeah. No pleasure to be here. And I think, the triad of what creates metabolic confusion would be iron. uric acid, and, and upside, I can’t think of three factors that have more impact on messing up our Mother Nature-driven physiology, which just seems to be disappearing by the minute. But again, we’ve talked at length about the copper-iron dynamic. And just before we went live here, we were chatting a little bit about uric acid, which we can come back to. I think that uric acid is a stealth metabolite that’s playing in the background of all chronic diseases 100% of it. And there are all sorts of confusion about it being an antioxidant, or prooxidant. Is it? Is it in? Is it a result of our diet as a result of our lifestyle? We can have some really interesting discussions about that. But the thing about the upside is, again, it’s billed as the iron hormone. I’m not, I’m not convinced that. Well, I think what’s important to realize is that it’s a negative regulator, as opposed to a positive regulator. A negative regulator would well let’s flip it around, the positive regulator would be like your mother in the home, regulating the functions of activity, making sure that kids are getting their homework done. You know, all the daily chores are getting done, people are getting fed, what have you. That’s positive regulation. Negative regulation would be relying on the police to control the chaos in the home. That’s a negative regulator. And that’s pretty much the way it works in our tissue is that copper is the positive regulator of iron. That’s very well established. Good going back to 1928 with heart steenbok, Waddell, and LVM, you know, all the way to 2021, with Kim and Gonzales saying, Yeah, if copper is missing iron is going to get out of control, especially in the liver. And what appears to be the case is that when copper is deficient, the body has a backup plan. That’s called this negative regulator upside. And what causes so many of problems for people is when they get a blood test, it can be misinterpreted, the blood that the iron levels in the blood can look low. And the practitioner interprets that as being well which means you have low iron, and in the tissue, below iron in the blood and ine tissue are completely different media. And, and that’s the reoneering work of Bruce Ames back in 2004, who was able to prove that there’s 10 times more iron in the tissue that is in the blood. But if it looks low in the blood, a lot of practitioners will make a knee-jerk decision to encourage supplementation or even encouraged infusions, which are, I think, I think they’re baison to the body. We can talk more about that. But the very presence of iron supplementation triggers the upside. And what hip site does is it shuts down the iron recycling program. And its target is the thorough report and pathway. The job wasn’t being an iron doorway, Ferro important. And what it does is it causes an internalization of that pathway and its degradation. So the cell, especially the macrophage, loses the natural ability to allow for iron egress, so that recycling of the iron can continue. Because what’s playing in the background of everyone’s body is the need to turn over two and a half million red blood cells every second. That’s a big deal. Two and a half million, we’ve been talking now for about 15 minutes and time 60, right, times two and a half million. So we’ve been working pretty hard to replace our blood ovover4 hours. It’s a ridiculous number, several billion red blood cells. But what’s fascinating about that, is it only takes 25 milligrams of iron to support the replacement of 24 hours of red blood cells. So absolutely amazed, 25 milligrams is nothing. And even more amazing is that 24 of those 25 milligrams of iron come from the recycling system. That’s dependent upon the iron circulation, the iron recycling, that’s dependent upon the Federal Court doorway is open. And to kee

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults, the truth about their health so that they can get their health back quickly. And today, I’m joined by an expert in the field. And it’s a real pleasure. I told him, I’m like a kid in the candy store today. I’m here with Gene Shan Shan, who is a Ph.D. and he is the CEO and founder of GE infinity precision medicine. They are a longevity biomarker company that is aiming to maximize your health span by testing biomarkers and yielding precision nutraceuticals that focus on NAD and senescence testing around the global market. So Dr. Gene, thank you so much for being here today.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: It’s my pleasure. Thank you very much.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so I met you earlier, you probably don’t remember, but you were at the A 4 am meeting. And I got my NAD test result, which was very, very low. And it was a shocker sort of smelling salt to see because I’m helping other people with their health. But ultimately, I’m kind of curious, I always asked my guests a little bit about their background story. And I know you’re in teaching and research. And you’ve been well known for your teddy study that screens hundreds of 1000s of newborns for HLA, Dr. Q, Dr., And DQ, I’m curious how tell me maybe a little bit of how that transitioned into longevity and NAD.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: Sure. So I have been an academic researcher on warm water for decades. And, my research, has been having a wide range of topics most of my research focused on childhood, diabetes, or type one diabetes, and we were trying to identify the genetic and environmental factors that cause type one diabetes, and doing during my studies, I have developed expertise in biomarkers, and was also appendix, and that the knowledge and the experience we gained through over the years can be applied to any diseases or conditions or biomedical question you want to be answered. And now about five years ago, I went to a meeting and met a functional medicine doctor in Florida. And we started talking about longevity, biomarker testing, and why biomarker testing would be important to the whole failed field of functional medicine and longevity, in particular. So I have been interested in longevity now because you know, I’m getting to an age where longevity become important, I needed to do something for myself. Because I don’t want to be one of the people who are going to be not mobile or not functional enough, in their 50s and 60s, or 70s. And if you look at the statistics, most of the aging-related diseases started occurring in the 50s, and the 60s, and our knife then is majorly reduced by the development of new Kornek aging-related diseases. So if we can come up with ways to prevent this condition, we should be able to extend the people’s lifespan, or at least the sales of spam by a decade, two decades, and even three decades. So that’s why you know, my interest has very kind of suddenly and rapidly turned the former childhood disease to an Asian relating that problem. And I’m very happy that I made the switch because I think I’m able to help myself, have my family, my friend, and work to help who the community needs to be a very exciting time. Sure.   Dr. Joel Rosen: It’s exciting to hear your background. Thank you for sharing. I would also add that when you isolate a great predictor and assessment of the biological age and the chronological age via NAD, specifically intracellular NAD, then the type one diet diabetic children would stand to benefit with everything that you’re going to be doing to support the environment and the boosting of intracellular NAD would still not only help with longevity and health span and aging well but for sick people to heal quicker as well is that a correct statement.   Dr. Jin-Xiong She: Was needed. So we haven’t we looked at adding a few 1000s of even the biomarkers, three, four years ago, to come up with the data, maybe at most 2002 biomarkers that are most relevant to health performance, and longevity. And what came up at the very top is an ad. And, you know, that makes sense, because NAD is a coenzyme, that is important for the function of over 400, adding them without the NAD on is in times within a function at a wall. So even if policies don’t function, then we don’t have health we even don’t have nice. So it is not only important for aging-related diseases, it was important for pretty much war settlement functions and health, and was important for almost all war major diseases. And We have indeed found only the deficiency in people with many different diseases. Right, it’s still   Dr. Joel Rosen: We could say it’s a very sensitive marker that will predict whether or not you’re, you’

Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue and fatigue and exhaustion in general, and how to get their health back. And this is part three with my buddy Don Moxley. He’s the director and applied science and brand development at longevity labs in the US. And he’s dedicated to helping people live a vibrant, fulfilling life and using his background as an athlete and sports scientist instructor to help educate people on the science of basically a toughie, G, and longevity, and we got a couple of new things going on in Don’s world. So I invited Don back to have a conversation and for you to listen in over our shoulder. So, Don, thanks so much for being here. Once again.   Don Moxley: My pleasure. Dr. Joel loves spending time with you. We’re going to be down in Florida for Christmas. So we will have worked our way from the far northwest. We were in Blaine Washington about three weeks ago. And had I messed up because we got a picture up next to it’s called the Peace Arch, which is right on the US-Canadian border right there on the Pacific. And then the next week, I was down in San Diego. And I was about an hour from the southwest border. But I didn’t get a chance to go down and get that picture. But my wife and I are talking about maybe going down to Key West when we’re out there. Just go ahead and get the pictures in all four corners.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, you’ll have to go back to the bottom there and San Diego and get that one again. Just say prove that you did it.   Don Moxley: There you go. I mean, you know, that’s it’s all about proof. Right?   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, you have to you can’t just say it you got to do you got to prove it. So. So we had the conversation a little bit before we got started about just how your life has changed. And in our last couple of interviews, you tell us about the different phases of your life and how you’re headed into that sort of that last third or the let’s call it the back nine in terms of doing things differently and to your plan. Maybe we can start with that. And then just Springboard with What’s New in education and what you’re teaching.   Don Moxley: Back nine, but I’m playing 27 holes drill.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, right. Yes.   Don Moxley: Well, yeah, it’s, it’s been interesting. I don’t remember when on our last podcast, we started our journey. But back in my daughter was finishing up grad school, and she was living with us. She moved out on January 2 of this year. By January 21. My wife and I have sold our house, we bought a 42-foot fifth-wheel trailer. And we started traveling in May. We just spent almost five months out west of Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, and Washington. We’re working our way back. We’re talking today. We’re back in central Ohio today, as we talk to you. But Sunday I’ll be in North Carolina. We’ll be there for Thanksgiving, we’ll be down in Florida for Christmas. And then we’re going to start to work our way back out west. But we decided we wanted to go find our next home. We want to wake up in the morning and drink our coffee, looking at the mountains. But you know, I didn’t want to I don’t want to buy a home office Zillow. I want to go figure out where we’re Where did where do we find a spot to fix our lifestyle? So that’s what we’re doing. We’re off on an adventure trying to find letting our next home find us.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right and at the same time, it’s you’re working as well. And I think it’s a really good segue into as we talk about stress and the impact that it has on the body, and how we can determine if the stress is helping us or hurting us. And I guess is a good sort of intro into what’s new in your world. You go and you lecture for the company that you work for. And I’m sure you have new topics of conversation and new product launches. So let’s get kind of caught up on where you are there.   Don Moxley: Yeah, the big thing that happened, Joel is that so we launch longevity labs a little over two years ago. And during that launch, there is a podcaster by the name of Dave Asprey that featured us and we took off it was a really good feature for us. And when you back then when you subscribe to longevity labs, our product sperm and I in life, and we can talk a little bit more about that because we’ve got a little bit more research along the way. But you got an invitation to have a phone call with me so I wound up having telephone calls with I don’t know 700 800 People. Now Asprey is an aura ring HRV promoter. I believe he’s on their advisory board. And what we found Joe was probably 80% of the people I was tal

  Dr. Joel Rosen: Hello, everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that they can get their energy back quickly. And today, I’m excited to be joining forces here with Beth Shirley, who is a registered pharmacist at CCN. And she has developed expertise as a pharmacist and certified clinical nutritionist during her 40-plus-year career. Her specialties include stress-induced hormone imbalance, intestinal dysfunction, autoimmune and chronic inflammatory issues, and detoxification, something I’m excited to talk to her about is nutrigenomics. And the supernormal oxidative stress, which I was gonna ask you what that is, Beth, after I introduce you, you’re a pioneer in the cutting edge of the evolution of what has now become the integrative pharmacy, where the junction between traditional pharmacy and the clinical use of nutritional supplements, but I could probably go on and on. But I want to get to the heart of the matter. And that’s nitric oxide. So thank you so much for being here today.   Beth Shirley: Thank you for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So why don’t you maybe I always like to ask our guests a little bit about your health journey. Maybe you didn’t have your health challenges. Or maybe you did. But what inspired you Beth to go down the firstly being trained as a pharmacist, but then getting into clinical nutrition? And then going into the world of, I guess, integrative medicine, what, what was your evolution or your Genesis for that?   Beth Shirley: Well, I became a pharmacist because I thought I was going to help people. And after 20 years of seeing people come back sicker, and sicker on more and more drugs. In 1997, I became a certified clinical nutritionist. And I became the pharmacist to go to if you wanted to get off meds or not go down a road, to begin with. And along that same route to what would steer me into that is, when I was 37, I was depressed, and I went to the doctors and all they had was depressants, and I thought that for a couple of years, and then I thought, you know, then I went on him. And then after I hit 40, I was gone. You know, there’s something else going on here. And so that’s when I read the book, what your doctor may not tell you about menopause by Dr. John Lee. And it taught me about bioidentical progesterone. And I started using that. And notice within like, nine months, I was off the antidepressants, and I had a progesterone deficiency, not Paxil deficiency. So that all happened kind of at the same time, you know, about 1996. And so since then, I’ve been just taking care of the physiological process, supporting physiological processes, not doing anti this and anti that, because the body wants us to be healthy. And since 2009, I’ve been in the nitric oxide space. And once you start learning about the power of circulation in microcirculation, you will, you will know that this is the base of everything. If you’ve got impaired circulation and microcirculation, it doesn’t matter what else you’re doing, nothing’s gonna get to where it needs to go.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. And I’ve talked about to my audience before in terms of, if you’re in a room that doesn’t have very much oxygen, water, food, or I guess exposure to the cold, the one that you want the most is the oxygen. And if you’re not using oxygen for energy production, you’re using oxygen for oxidation. It’s almost like you’re instead of getting an income, you have an expense and it can create a Demand and supply problem in your body. Just an aside, though curious, in your wanting to help people become a pharmacist. I’m just kind of curious, when was it along the way that you were realizing how deep and like how long into your practice that you realize that This isn’t helping people with what you were doing?   Beth Shirley: Well, I was a pharmacist for 20 years before I figured out that this just I mean, it that that was all combined with my health issues, where all they had was pharmaceuticals to treat me and that’s not what was going on. So I wasn’t being helped myself. And neither were all these people that are coming into the pharmacy. They weren’t being helped.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. And so as far as you alluded to the fact that typically the paradigm for pharmaceuticals is to block The mode of action whereas potentially hormone support or understanding the physiology and and looking at endogenous production of nitric oxide for signaling and blood flow and oxygen delivery, is more supportive. So let’s maybe springboard off of that Beth and talk about what we know about nitric oxide for the person that doesn’t know what it is. What is it? And why is it so important?   Beth Shirley: Well, nitric oxide is a bas

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so that we can get them their health back quickly. And today I’m excited to be joined by two by a seagull. He is the co-owner of promo life and pure oh three, which both specialize in health-related ozone products. Promo Life provides high-quality USA-made ozone therapy equipment and pure oh three provides high-quality USA-made organic ozonated oils. Tobias is the lead product developer for both companies. And he takes the time that’s needed to speak with his customers to figure out what is being demanded in the marketplace. He grew up in Montana and eventually settled in Arkansas, where he attended the University of Arkansas. And after college, he co-founded Purell three, while working for promo life and effect and settled into what he loves doing. The positive natural health influence that came from his parents was a big influence on his life. And he just is enjoying it, I guess wrapped up in the world of ozone. So Tobias, thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate your time.   Tobias Segal: I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I’m excited because one of my actual coaching clients recommended that I do a podcast on ozone and I’m familiar with ozone. And what I wanted to do today was just give the listeners, especially those that are exhausted and burnt out and looking for answers beyond just what other supplements I gotta be taking or being told yet again, that there’s nothing wrong with them. So I wanted to just go down that world of ozone and the therapeutic benefits. But before we do that, you and I had a conversation about how you got started on it and the trials you’ve had or what you’ve seen with your father, so maybe give us a little insight on why you got involved in the world of ozone.   Tobias Segal: Yeah, no. So I mean, it did start with him, like him being fatigued and having energy issues. And so you know, and that seems to be such a struggle for so many people. And, you know, it took him a while to figure it out. I mean, of course, it was, you know, obviously had a lot to do with his adrenals he had some Candida issues, you know, what he had to focus on was, you know, fixing his diet, cleaning it up. But ultimately, all that stuff works. But, you know, sometimes it doesn’t fully fix the problem, you have to almost add something extra to make it work. And so he was doing some research, he gravitated toward the idea of ozone. And this is like in the early 2000s. This is like way before people even really knew about it. And so I mean, it was becoming somewhat, you know, known but very rare compared to now. And so, you know, he started doing these things with ozone where you add ozone to the body, you can do this thing called rectal insufflation is weird as that sounds. I mean, a lot of people, you know, do enemas. So it’s essentially the same thing, but we’re using gas instead. So he did rectal deflations. And he also did this thing called ozone saunas, which is also referred to as transdermal ozone therapy. And basically what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to get the body to absorb high-purity ozone into the body, and it gets into the bloodstream. And what this is doing is, especially for his issue, because he had Candida, you know, he had overgrowth, and it stimulates the body, it helps, you know, eliminate some of that Candida growth, and it almost puts your immune system into a more balanced state. I think the whole idea of, of Oh, boosting your immune system, that’s almost the wrong terminology. Sometimes we want to balance out our immune system more than anything. So it helped balance out his immune system, he went on a better diet that didn’t have the sugars and the other carbs with it. So when he, when combine all that stuff, he noticed a massive increase in energy. And it set him up to believe that wow, ozone is a real therapy that everybody should be looking at it. Honestly, the number of people that I talk to about ozone, like these are people who have gone through the medical system who have been told, Oh, there’s nothing we can do. And so they come. And they finally asked her asking questions about all these other therapies. And ozone seems to be that, that top one that like, within like the top five that a lot of people start gravitating toward because it’s so effective. I don’t typically like calling it the silver bullet because I think you have to do other things with it. But it’s one of the more powerful methods that you can incorporate, that shows a lot of benefits, you know, modulating the immune system, it goes after viruses and bacteria, which I think viruses are a big contributing issue with a lot of people, you know, bacter

  Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about their health so they can get their energy back quickly. And it’s a real pleasure to have Vanessa Bartlett join us today on giving us information on what you could do to recover your energy by being active. And through movement. She is a holistic lifestyle and exercise coach, and she helps people re-energize their body and their mind with adrenal-friendly Fitness and Lifestyle practices. So Vanessa, thank you so much for joining me today.   Vanessa Bartlett: Thank you so much, Dr. Joel, this is amazing to be on here with you.   Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, and you know, I gotta admit, I apologize to you on the air. Because I know you’ve had reached out a couple of times to be I had seen it. But you know, quite truly, I’m the spinning a lot of different plates and have a lot of ads in different cookie jars. And it just was the proper timing, and kudos to you for persisting persistent because I think that tells a lot about your journey, your recovery for energy, and maybe why you got burnt out in the first place. So why don’t you tell our listeners a little bit about your story first about your trials, so we can identify with where you’re coming from?   Vanessa Bartlett: Yeah, absolutely. So I was really into health and fitness as a youngster and I got my aerobics qualification when I was 18 years old and into the gyms right away. Actually, when I was 14 years old, believe it or not, I lied and told my local gym, I was 15, just so I could go. But before that, at age eight, I got up at 6:30 am religious to take a robotic cell style, which is a really famous 30-minute aerobic show here in Australia, back when I eight years old. So anyway, so it’s in my blood. But what happened was, I was doing a lot of work with that in gyms in my early 20s teaching heaps of classes, you know, pump and spin and boxing and all that stuff and thinking, wow, like I’m living my best life. I’m getting paid for what I love. I’m getting paid to exercise and be around great people every day in all these gyms. But then what started to happen was I started to notice I got really tired after teaching what was pretty okay for me generally. So I’ve gone through this, you know, from the early 20s to mid-20s. And then started to feel this kind of heaviness in my body and these symptoms and signs that would flare up and make me think oh my gosh, what’s going on, I can normally get through this pump class quite easily or you know, as circled or something like that, that this fatigue, this kind of heavy fatigue started to set into my body during and after these exercise sessions. Then at that time, too, I was also starting up my own mobile trip personal training business around Sydney managing trainers. So doing a lot spinning a lot of plates and all that was young without kids at that point, I started to realize my energy wasn’t what it should be for someone in their mid to late 20s, who’s you know, relatively healthy doing exercise for a living. So something just wasn’t sitting, right? So this went on for a couple of years, actually. Until one day I was in a client assessment doing her blood pressure and you know, talking to her about an exercise and I’m kind of sitting on the table going, I’m so sorry, Alice, like, I’m really tired today. I’m just so exhausted. It’s I’m tired all the time, actually. And I started talking to her about my problem. And she’s like, I’ve been the same Hey, there’s this doctor in Asheville who’s really holistic, go see him, he’ll tell you what’s going on. Because I’ve been to GPS. And they just kept telling me, You’re just you know, you’re just having a tiring day, don’t worry, just rest. And I’ll get sick a lot too. So it’s getting colds and flu, like once every six weeks, which was ridiculous, and chest infections. That wasn’t good. My immune system was down. And they kept giving me antibiotics as well. So that wasn’t sitting well and going hang on. I don’t want to keep taking this stuff. I’m not quite right, something else is going on. I just had this inner voice saying that this just isn’t right. Anyway, so long Behold, this doctor helped me out and did this test on me and said, Vanessa, your adrenals are shot. And I’m like, What are adrenals I didn’t even know anything about what that was at that point. And he said You’re doing too much in your life. You’re doing too much exercise, you’re burning the candle at both ends, you’ve got to stop what you’re doing. And you’ve got to change what you eat and you’ve got to go to bed earlier and like whoa, what huh? So