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Dr. Joel Rosen: Alright, Hello everyone and welcome back to another edition of the less stress life where we teach exhausted and burnt-out adults the truth about adrenal fatigue so that we can get their health back quickly. And today we are joined with a patient and a team member, Kristin and goanna and we’re going to do a little bit different today, Kristin is going to ask me a couple of questions about how I got into this or some of the things that we do to help people.
But then we’re going to go through a timeline history of some of her experiences with her health challenges and raise awareness for people that may not identify that stress and overwhelm. And the impact that has on your stress response system can manifest in different ways. So, Kristen, thanks so much for being here today. Yeah, for sure. So why don’t we do this ladies first, You said you wanted to ask me a couple of questions. So why don’t you go ahead and ask me some questions, and then we’ll transition into getting to know a little bit about.
Kristin Angona: your journey. Yeah, so um, one of the reasons I wanted to do this video, too, was because I wanted to be able to show my friends and family like about you, and how you’ve helped me and everything. So do you mind kind of briefly explaining how you got into this practice and how you stumbled across your breakthrough?
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I was an anxious kid. And I probably didn’t have the best diet in terms of sugary foods. And I didn’t realize that I had anxiety. I mean, it was a thing where I would get nervous before a competition or in-class being called upon or even just having to read out loud. And then when I went through chiropractic college, I had gone through that because I hurt my back. And when I graduated and was ready to practice, and had over $250,000 worth of student loans, and my wife was pregnant with twins, I was exhausted and burnt out and anxious and had brain fog, couldn’t focus. And I heard about this thing called adrenal fatigue, which Chris and I never heard of before.
And I thought I was pretty educated. I had a psychology degree, Exercise Physiology degree. And I had just graduated from chiropractic college, and I never heard of this thing called adrenal fatigue. And it was kind of like the Epiphany, like, Oh, my gosh, like, this is me to a tee, like, you know, when someone describes you to a tee that you could probably describe, not as good as that was, it captivates you, and like, okay, I want to hear what this has to say.
And then I went down that rabbit hole of doctors don’t accept it as a legitimate diagnosis. A lot of the time your blood tests come back normal there, there are so many different presentations like you could be lacking energy crashing in the middle of the day, you’re energized in the night and not in the morning. You can’t focus you can’t concentrate, it impacts your motivation and drive and brain fog. So there are so many things that, that it impacts and I was just sort of overwhelmed with, oh my gosh, if I don’t know about this, and I’ve studied a lot of stuff in health, then and this is more of a stress-related thing like we’re more stress than ever, and we have so many demands and to-do lists than ever, then this is an epidemic that needs to be explained and told the truth about so that’s kind of how it all started for me.
And now it’s, we help people like yourself, where they may not have identified it as being a stress-related thing. But when we tell the truth about adrenal fatigue, it goes so much deeper than just the adrenals. Right? So as you know.
Kristin Angona: no, that’s, that’s interesting reminds me a couple of years ago, I had heard of adrenal fatigue, and I sent it to a friend of mine. And I was like, Look, I feel like I have some of these things on this. But then I saw it say like, now, it’s not a real thing. And this and that it or, you know, you only have one of the things and not all of them. So like Had I known or continued researching like you then maybe I could have avoided my major crash of a situation.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, right. Well, you know, I look at it as you have these things that your obstacles in life for a reason, right? So had you not crashed? Perhaps you wouldn’t have been where you are now. Right? So at the same time.
Kristin Angona: Yeah. Well, that’s quite so could you maybe share on your a couple of stories, you know, one person that you’ve helped, and then we can get into how you’ve helped me?
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. So one of our best success stories was from a client that we worked with within Australia, and I even remember having the initial call with her. And it was amazing how she had suffered for so long. She’d been to like really high tech, Ph.D. The Best of the Best of traditional doctors and not to say that they don’t know what they’re talking about, because they certainly do. But if she’s still suffering after all the strategies, then something’s being missed. So I remember she just told me she had been training quite hard with triathlons. And she was going up a mountain on her bike.
And then all of a sudden, it’s just like the, in the matrix, the plug got unplugged. And, you know, the person just kind of died from there. And that’s what she said. And after that, like she just was like, out of her body, she had the dysautonomia or just the, she wasn’t in touch with her body, and she couldn’t go in cars and go about roundabouts. And she couldn’t stabilize her blood glucose. So we had her understand the importance of what’s called metabolic flexibility, where we should be able to burn protein, carbs, and fats as fuel. We’ve been engineered for that. We’ve never had 24 hour online deliveries and refrigerators and abundance, and lightbulbs and everything else in between.
And so we’re not engineered in our modern-day society along with stress and overtraining and genetic susceptibilities, and chemical toxins and news and everything else, to be able to become metabolically flexible, we lose the ability. So one of the biggest things we did was having her stabilize her glucose reduce inflammation, she started to realize when she was hungry versus having to eat because you’ve been conditioned, you have a breakfast, you have lunch, you have dinner, right? Like you. Yeah, and, and it was profound. I mean, she lost a lot of weight.
And that wasn’t even one of the goals that we were looking to do. And I think once you get the body working effectively, metabolically, the side effect, as opposed to drugs, where you leave the room on a commercial and you come back, and they’re still finishing all the side effects, you know, to not, you know, if this, that and the other, the side effect of getting healthy is metabolic health and losing weight. So a couple of other strategies as you need to do a proper hormone test to figure out how hormones are clearing out, and where to focus on to strategically not just throw crap at the wall and see what sticks.
And that was quite profound. She had such amazing experiences and got her life back. And it wasn’t anything magical. It was just more of an acceptance that it’s a legitimate health challenge. There are different continuums of it. And that it’s not just the HPA axis, the brain signaling to your adrenals that something’s wrong with you. It’s also the fact that your body’s just not using energy and making energy effectively. And some embers in the fires aren’t being extinguished in her body metabolically, and the body will take care of the rest. So that’s that was one of the best, I’d say experiences we’ve had with turning someone’s life around. You know, it’s been quite amazing.
Kristin Angona: No, that’s cool. Well, I can tell you, my life turned around completely. Especially because tomorrow is one year from when I went to the ER with the situation, the person and I had never been to the ER before at all. So you know, it took a lot, or like, I had to be feeling like really bad to have to go there during the night.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, I mean, I have it on my notes here that our first encounter was on 10. One 2020. So yeah, we had a little bit of time, but I’m looking at my notes. And you had the diagnosis, I believe in six in six in June of 20. Is that correct? Or before that or?
Kristin Angona: not? So June was when I first had one, the first time I ever saw blood in my stool. So it was in June. And then it was kind of on and off. Like where I was still living my normal life feeling normal. It would come and go. And you know, people just say oh, it’s stress, or Oh, it must be hemorrhoid or something like oh, that happens. Don’t worry. Then I was like No, something doesn’t feel right. Something doesn’t feel right. And then September it just, you know, my cup overflowed and it was not it just every that’s all it was and it was it almost felt like a virus-like took over and I just couldn’t stop going with
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, that’s got to be super. I don’t even know if the good word is alarming. Right? I mean, to not feel well, but no
Kristin Angona: control of my body at all. Like it was just not me anymore. Yeah.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, it’s uh, you know, it’s, it’s this is not funny, but I remember I was playing soccer one time and I went to slide to get the ball from the dinette and one of the metal pins was a down and I slid it To the end my knee like totally opened up. The reason I bring that up is that it wasn’t as painful. It was, but it was way more painful. As soon as I saw it, like, Oh my god, like I was gonna fail.
And I would imagine like, it’s enough when you don’t feel great as it is. But to have a visual clue of blood, I mean, we’re talking out loud, like, you know, blood in the stool. It’s like, oh my god like that, like, Am I gonna die? Like, is there something going on in my body? Like, that’s, it’s Yeah, so, so Okay, so, yeah.
So what was it then that made it for you? Like, I mean, you had never gone to the hospital, you knew something was seriously wrong. What was it about you that said, Okay, I’m not gonna go the traditional approach?
Kristin Angona: Well, I did go to two different gastroenterologists. And they just kept saying, like, you know, I did different stool tests to see if it was a parasite or a bacteria. Everything came back negative, the ER also did the test too. But before I even get to the ER, I did, I saw two different gastroenterologists, they, they just said, like, Oh, we need to have you do a colonoscopy, but place based on your bloodwork and the stool tests that came back, it looks like it’s ulcerative colitis, like based on whatever they came to you. But they said We can’t give you medication. So we do a colonoscopy. And, of course, I had a lot of family members, you know, support me in my decision not to get a colonoscopy.
And then I had a lot of them that are very critical saying that, like, how could you, not do that, but I just knew deep down in my gut that Luckily, my intuition was still somewhat functioning on that that was not a good idea. And I just they gave me Mazon mean, which is just an anti-inflammatory, non, not a steroid. They said they could start with that, but that ultimately, I might have to go on prednisone or something to stop it. And it just one day, like it dawned on me. Now, I was thinking, why, if there’s inflammation, like, you know, like, when you have a fever, your body heats up, it gets inflamed, so that it fights off whatever this is so like, why Oh, and as soon as the gastro found out that ulcerative colitis runs in my family, they just come in, I’m like? Oh, yeah, that’s it that they took instantly.
And I was like, Well, no, there’s something there, my body’s inflamed for a reason. And if I suppress the inflammation with these anti-inflammatories, then I just feel like it’s gonna pop up somewhere else. And it was popping up other places I was starting to get the visual ocular migraines road see little flashes of light, like multiple times a day, so I was terrified to drive and then I started, probably because they told me to stop eating raw fiber. Um, so I was just eating like rice and bone broth, because Oh, they said, like, stop the gluten and everything which I’ve eaten pasta, like, all my life. So now I’m just eating rice, and bone broth, and like bananas. So I was getting very dizzy. Like, I’d never fainted before in my life.
And there were five times from September to October that I got so dizzy, I just fell to the floor. But I think my adrenaline kicked in enough for me to not faint, but I think most people probably would have. But everything was spinning. So like something’s going on here, I’m not going to continue being on the same. Like, they just want to make my stickers, how I felt, especially when in the ER, they didn’t do anything to help me like get an IV bag and I had someone come to the house to give me an IV bag.
And that helped me more than everything that the ER did Besides, you know, they did the CT scan, which showed me there was no blockage. So that was good. But I also had done enough research that I saw, even if there is a blockage, your body can heal that if you give it the tools to do so. I’m just like I saw, I watched a video that is back in the day. If you swallowed a thorn, your stomach would move fat over your intestines to heal that spot. So I was like there has to be a way to heal naturally. I don’t need all this intervention. And I just knew that if I went on medication, it would just cover it up and not fix the problem. So searching found you.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Here we are. Yeah, I mean, you point to a couple of important points. I feel that the traditional approach needs to be done from the beginning. I agree like you know, going there and making sure that your red flags are crossed off the list, right? If there’s any immediate I guess, lack of a better description, bleeding neck problems that need to be taken care of right away. But then when there’s just diagnosis of exclusion, well, it’s not this. It’s not this, it must be that. And the management approach is an acute-based approach for a chronic-based problem.
And I think that’s really where you’re seeing some major trends in the way healthcare is headed is, is that there should be the medical book, point 2.0, where it goes into chronic environmental challenges that aren’t approached the same way. The acute-based stuff is approaching. So, you know, and kudos to you for going outside of that, and not waiting for how long it takes for the boat in the ocean to change its course. Right? Because at the end of the day, you’re, you’re young, and you want to enjoy your life.
So, so the other thing is I saw here too, is that you ultimately, so you found me, the only thing I was gonna add was that you had stopped and looked at our notes, and you had stopped the kombucha. And you hadn’t been Yeah, you hadn’t? I mean, I guess by choice. You didn’t eat red meat or pork since you were 14 years old? Correct?
Kristin Angona: Yeah. I just didn’t earlier for like, steak or pork. But um, I mean, I love animals and all but I knew I still need some nutrition. So I like chicken and shellfish. Really. Um, but yeah, that can buka um, that was something that I had been drinking, you know, dilute, I would dilute it a bit. I was drinking it on and off since like, I don’t know, March or Bay, one of those months last year. And then, um, I think it was just amplifying whatever was already wrong in my intestines.
And then, um, after two nights before I got sick. I drank like an undiluted. I don’t know, a glass of the kombucha. And I started pinpointing it. And then you’re the one that taught me that’s very high in histamines. So that was probably contributing to it. Plus, it could have been a bad batch. I don’t know. Right?
Dr. Joel Rosen: Well, I think I mean, I brought that up because one of the AHAs that I had in studying all of this is that the environment triggers our mast cells, mast cells stimulate your HPA axis, which impacts the adrenals. But mast cells make histamine. And if there was, we’ll get into what we looked at, because I was quite surprised to find out that gluten in and of itself wasn’t the main thing for you. I mean, it was a concern, it’s always been a concern in terms of it can produce more histamine, it can cause your immune system to go haywire.
And it can also cause because glyphosate and round up and pesticides and sprays. But as far as smoking guns, when we did the genetic testing, we didn’t see that as being a major challenge, which is good, but the histamine was already overflowing. And kombucha was, was causing that to do that. So one of the very first things we did was the GI map test.
And I knew you were very diligent with your, hence the team member you with your graphs and like, you know, having like your one, two, you know, all the things going on. But do you remember Kristin, what one of the main findings was on the first page when we had your first?
Kristin Angona: c diff? Which, oh, I guess, backtrack a little bit that I the ER and then prescribe me antibiotics, you know, to take so I took the Cipro? flagyl and something with an app? Um, I don’t remember what it was. But, um, yeah, I took that. And so when I saw that C diff on the stool test that I did with you, I was instantly like, Oh, that must have been because of the antibiotics.
And then now looking back at that, that was naive though because that means I had to have already had the C Deaf inside of my body for the antibiotics to let it get out of control. So yeah, that was eye-opening, as well, it was,
Dr. Joel Rosen: I mean, listen, you know, we say like positive is positive, or pregnant or not pregnant. But if it were pregnant, it would be like 10 months pregnant with the how high levels it was, because it was like to the exponent seven, and we want to see it below the exponent three. And so so that’s quite high. The two things I would say is that, unfortunately, whether it’s I think it’s lab core quest, they just do not inundate themselves with PCR testing, which means they’re not looking at the DNA sample.
And it’s like, that’s the equivalent of saying, okay, the the the police department and put out whatever, Iowa whatever, decides that they don’t want to run the crime scenes for DNA. They think that that technology is too advance to try to convict the murderer or the crime scene with, you know, why would we do that? I mean, that’s what the analogy is, is like, you know, well, you came back falsely negative with your test that you did over here, but now you’re quite positive over here.
And then there were a couple of other markers on the, on the second page, if you read Remember, are the last page. I mean, there was some dysbiosis as well. But yeah, do you remember? Like, what were some of the findings that you saw on the last page with your immune system that they had on there?
Kristin Angona: Oh, yeah, my immune system was like a super overdrive, and then right. A lot of Colt level was very high. Okay,
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. I mean, you’re bad. Yeah, no, yeah. Well, yeah, you had, I believe you had some strep and some bacillus, a little bit of Candida. And when we say when we see multiple species, I think it’s important for the listener to know they say, Well, I have Cebo, like small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. First and foremost, when you do a stool sample, it’s a culture of the lower intestine. So you can’t say it’s the small intestine, it’s the lower intestine. But what tends to be in the lower intestine could migrate to the small intestine.
And at the end of the day, it’s kind of selfish to say it’s CBOE because CBOE implies that it’s only bacteria. I think CMO is a better word because it means small intestinal microbial overgrowth other things. So there was some Candida that wasn’t positive but wasn’t negative. Then there were some other concerns with other bacterias. And then your secretary IGA, as you said, was super high.
And your calprotectin was super high, and oh, Cold Blood was there. So to me, that’s an explanation of something’s new here, like very new here. Right. So. So what did we do from there to address that, like, from your, from your point of view?
Kristin Angona: Um, well, you gave, you helped me figure out how to take on the GI synergy, which I call the natural antibiotics because I thought, you know, in it, right, that the repair site to help repair the gut. So I just remembered it was like the five Rs. I don’t remember what they all are, but like remove replace, Rhian Doc, I don’t remember the rest.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Restore your store secretions? And then I think to remove, right.
Kristin Angona: So I’m just rebuilding my whole gut lining, like remove the bad and replaced and heal it and replace it with good, so right. I remember that being a very long process, but I knew that what had to be done to, you know, heal long term for that. So. Right.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. So So then I know we did a, we did a couple of things because I know that the natural antibiotics, I think is a great term. And it doesn’t just have to be gi synergy. There’s other you know, some people that are overstimulated with their mast cells, they can’t tolerate a tonic like that. Because there are too many things. So I think it spoke to your constitution in that you didn’t like given that the acute nature of this, it wasn’t building on your age, it’s not building up for decades, right?
where a lot of the times people’s immune system that Secretary IGA is very, very low, even though they have like, something that’s there in like the Border Patrol, you know, your border patrol was all hands on deck, you know, we got some, so so but then we ended up I know, we talked about this the other day where we were having you kill Monday through Friday, and follow it up with some charcoal or binders so that that can help remove the toxins as well give your liver a little extra support.
And then we were also talking about giving it some nutrients for repairing on the weekends. I still like remember, hey, like, when we had our follow up, Can I repair on the weekdays as well? And for sure. I think that kind of suit was it was a tough process going through all of like you said was a long process, was it? Was it hard for you to do did it?
Kristin Angona: It was a little hard because I didn’t see results right away. But I knew deep down that like, you know, when you’re killing bad things, they will produce like some die off. So it can get a little bit worse before it gets better. So I knew that but my anxiety didn’t agree with that always. And so it’s still panic me. But I just remember thinking like, I felt like the repair on the weekends wasn’t enough. And that if I could take it at night when I wasn’t eating, maybe give it a chance to help repair overnight while it was sleeping. So I remember I emailed you and you’re like, yeah, we could try.
Right, right. Yeah, so that was the repair by, and then I remember one of the most eye-opening things. Were you saying that we needed to do the DNA tests for me to see, you know what my genetic susceptibilities were at? First, I didn’t know what that meant, because I was like, Yeah, I know that this runs in my family, but at the same time, um, I don’t think that this is something that was building for years, although now looking back like now that I feel so much better.
There were so many signs that my cup was filling. Right? It did just overflow. So it. So yeah, the DNA test then became very helpful to see about histamines. And I guess that’s how your body.
Dr. Joel Rosen Uses how it uses nutrients at the end of the day, like, you know, like so. So that’s an important segue because when we did the follow-up gi map, we weren’t out I think we weren’t completely, the fire hadn’t been completely extinguished, I think there was still smoldering and still some areas of the forest that were burning, I looked at the markers, and they went down from point seven, or exponent seven to exponent four, which was encouraging, it needs to be below exponent three.
But your Secretory IgA was lower your calprotectin was lower your occult blood was lower. The was, let me ask you about this because I know this is concerning for people. There were some more markers, though, on your dysbiosis or the other bacterias that weren’t there on the first go around. And even there were changes on the third test, too. How did I guess?
First and foremost, were you seeing subjective, like how you feel, and what toilet showed you improvements, versus if you didn’t even see the results of the GI map test.
Kristin Angona: So actually, I remember saying that to you as well that I was feeling so much better. And then I saw the test. And it almost instantly triggered me to like, feel like I was going to the bathroom more frequently again. So, the first stool test we did was like October 3 or something. And then, um, I did we are the GI map. And then the second one was in February, I believe. And that one was the one that showed my flood of Colt went from 64 to four. And so that was a really big improvement.
And then the calprotectin went from 3000 to like the one I think Exactly. Um, so I was like, okay, the inflammation is almost gone. But then seeing all the other bacteria and the C. diff still there instantly made me feel like I had to, or that I was going to the bathroom more frequently again. So it got in my head and I became aware of that. And then the third test, I think was in may finally show that the C diff was completely gone. Zero blood and no inflammation. So, um, that was good, but I think I did panic again with the.
Dr. Joel Rosen: I guess some of the other. Years. That went high. Yeah. Which is a marker of the leaky gut, right.
Kristin Angona: Yeah. Which then it kind of I know you’ve explained to me it’s kind of like layers of an onion. So the first couple tests may have just shown, you know, one layer but as we peel back that I think you said biofilms it can expose more so.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it’s a good point. And you know, what do you remember also to like taking a stroll down memory lane to the antimicrobial, all the microbes, but there was something that was concerning on the first page that wasn’t there for the first time. Do you know what that you remember? what that was? a parasite? Yeah, yeah, he had Giardia come in there. So you make a really good point like people need to understand that is that when the microbes coalesce and it’s like I make an analogy like you have a party at your house, your people from work, they hang out in the kitchen, your neighbors probably are in the backyard, and then maybe your family members and someone else like someone like from your high school or whatever is in in the family room, and they’re all in their little bunches, but eventually, they kind of as the night goes on, they kind of get in and intermingle. That’s what a biofilm is.
And really, it’s like a matrix in the body again, where it’s like, Okay, how can we reinforce ourselves. And so they have a mucus-like sludgy biofilm, which is an oil terminal, that oil creates these biofilms that, that adhere to the pipes and stuff and make it much harder to get rid of it. And then on top of that, it reinforces itself with heavy metals and so forth and so on. So when you’re doing a protocol to kill and lice, those, if it’s not strong enough, it doesn’t get everything. If you don’t have potential key leaders to help break that metals down. It doesn’t work. But it can also then show you, Hey, your test is maybe if you don’t take it in perspective of how you’re feeling so much better.
And you just look at it objectively, you might think that the test is getting worse, right? You might get that ascent. So how did you Jose, how did you lock it up? Like how did you rein it in and say okay, like, I know that the test is showing me some improvements because it went from so high to solo here, but this went high? And that even physically caused me to feel, you know, an urgency. But at the same time, how did you balance that with? Okay, like I’m trending in the right direction because a lot of people won’t keep it together.
Kristin Angona: Well, I like so okay, when I first started taking the natural antibiotics within October, and then you had me take digestive enzymes and also the enzyme to remove histamines do right. So that and then adding in a fiber back into my diet, like actually eating real foods again. So I write because I started um, nice. So December was the last time that I got dizzy and the last time that I had flashes in my eyes, so I think that kept it in perspective for me, right? with the others like no, I am improving like, oh, and I could base them I was able to go longer without having to eat so many vegetables.
Dr. Joel Rosen: My blood to know I mean.
Kristin Angona: oh, yeah. So I was still seeing blood in my stool through January, but like December around Christmas time, it significantly cut down because around Christmas time was the first time that I felt good enough to go out to eat went to a Louis Boston Italian restaurant because they had everything like freshly made. So I felt comfortable enough to go there. Um, so when we are around Christmas time, I saw a significant reduction in blood and it was more like formed stools not so often. So I was. So I just had to reel it back in and think like, No, I’ve made huge improvements.
And one of the things that I know now was a huge sign was that this was all leading up with that I was getting extremely bloated at night, like so if I ate dinner at like six or so at midnight, I would be like lying awake, like feeling I had to sit up because my stomach felt just so full. I never associated that as I don’t want anything being rushed, like people are just like, Oh, yeah, that happens. That happens. Like, um, and so just knowing that that wasn’t happening anymore, and I wasn’t having those other symptoms, and I wasn’t getting shaky between eating and Oh, the other thing that was happening too, after I ate when I was sick was that my heart rate would feel like super strong, like, I could feel it everywhere.
And that doesn’t happen anymore. So I’m like, I’m improving, and I can’t let the one like my body down can start to heal on its own without, like, I’ve given it the tools and I just had to reel it back in to know that I’m…
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, for sure. good points there and, but I do feel like it needs to be elaborated on where you saw that test. And then you saw a felt of an urgency. And I guess we have to harness the energy that we control it getting out of control with the button, the balancing it with how good that the other things are? Was there anything conscientiously that you feel you learn from that, like being able to just ramp down your response? Like, what was the?
Kristin Angona: matter? Just really, um, I guess just keeping the faith, like trusting my intuition, knowing that I’ve been on the right path, don’t and I think you pointed it out to me too, like, look how obvious like, as soon as you saw the test, then this started happening. And so, um, that’s how much stress can play a role on your, like, take a toll on your healing and, um, need to control the stress.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Response for sure. And, you know, I remember that as you bring it up, I was like, like, it’s kind of, as you mentioned to me, okay, they had me stopped taking fiber when they thought I had UC, and I had to go with very little food whatsoever. And I think maybe short-term, I could see that because you want you don’t want to irritate the lining with any potential. I guess irritants, if you will, or allergens or triggers. But a couple of things is that need to be followed up with, okay, and by the way, this is a short-term recommendation, because, you know, we need to make sure your diversity is big. So I remember bringing diversity into your, your mindset, like Hey, you got to get to bring some diversity here. Like that’s not enough foods there that because that’s how your microbiome is made.
And you know, the other thing I kind of let pass, which I think is you’re very fortunate that it didn’t happen, but when someone takes Cipro that’s a major Crusher. I’ve had unfortunately like our old office manager whose wife is still very sick, who took Cipro and you can go online and Google-like Cipro toxicity or fluoroquinolones injuries because ultimately, antibiotics kill bacteria. And our mitochondria are bacteria.
And ultimately, you’re dropping an atom bomb in the middle of a microbial storm, and you’re just hoping that Okay, good guys don’t die, just kill bad guys, you know, and it doesn’t work out that way. So you’re fortunate in that way? For sure. The other I’ve been the other outlier, which you just remind me of was, you know, with your glucose and stabilizing that, and not eating so much. So, tell us to tell us sort of what kind of routine now you’ve settled in on to kind of maintain the balance now.
Kristin Angona: Oh, um, so for me, I was eating like, I mean, everyone at work, like when I worked in person and retail, they would always laugh at me how frequently I’d be eating, especially because I’m small person, like, are you eating so frequent, but I get shaky between, I would get shaky between meals, so I always eat lunch, like, right at 12. And then I’d have my snack at like, three, and then I would go home and eat my dinner at six, like, basically, every three hours I was eating, but now I can, I really, I eat my breakfast, like I don’t have to eat as soon as I wake up, which is great, I do wake up starving, but I don’t feel like I’m gonna fall over if I don’t eat.
Whereas before it felt like I had to eat right away, or I couldn’t think or function now I can just, you know, start doing whatever, eat casually like an hour or two after I wake up, and then I can. So I’ll probably, I don’t know, somewhere around like, nine-ish. And then, um, I can eat my lunch now like one or two, which is a huge well, or just based on whatever I can get away from work to go cook it. Um, and so that’s just a big difference, right there.
And then sometimes I’ll have like a little snack around like four, but probably just because I’m like, working and thinking. And then I can eat my dinner like that. Seven, which is such a big difference for me. Um, I would always be the one to like, eat before you went out to dinner because I didn’t want to be starving and sitting there. And now I feel like I have a little bit more leeway.
It’s more an anxiety thing for me now. Like I remember you saying to figure out my actual physical blood sugar versus my psychological blood sugar. Right? Right. Yes. So that was a big eye-opening thing for me too. But just like seeing how it was all connected, I wasn’t crazy. And all those things were happening because something was going wrong. So I think genetically, you saw that I have trouble removing histamines and regulating my iron. So I think those Yeah, was it? Yeah.
Dr. Joel Rosen: For sure. I mean, there are a couple of other things here too, which we’ll get into as we talk about it, but you make a couple of really good points is the difference between physic physical hunger and psychological hunger? And, and sometimes so many people tell me this is like, oh, if I don’t need it, I’m gonna, gonna faint, you know, and I’m gonna die. And I don’t believe that. I mean, in your case, it was very low. I mean, there’s no doubt about that. But for some people, if their glucose isn’t low, they’re insulin resistant, and it’s not getting into the cells.
So I think it’s important to calibrate that and understand that we do tools with that. But I guess the question is, is that now you would never have found me, if if I had only presented in my local business area, that we only help people that have adrenal fatigue problems. In our local area, we had a bunch of conditions like functional medicine, like we have gi issues, and thyroid issues and hormone issues and brain fog issues, and so forth. So but now that you understand the role of stress in the body, especially when your mind can go play tricks on you, and you can physiologically have, you know, an urgency to go more and start to oh my gosh, like things are getting worse again.
And so what would you tell the listener that may have gi issues that were some real aha is for you to know that it goes deeper than the GI and it’s kind of a chicken or the egg thing in terms of its kind of a two-way road? It’s not even a two-way road? It’s a five-way road with so many other things going on? What would you What have you learned and what would you tell other people about that, um.
Kristin Angona: That there’s like, you’re not just an unlucky person that your issue happens to there’s a reason for it and you have to find the root cause of the reason and a lot Yes, while it can be genetic, like yeah, maybe because I have an issue moving histamines or whatever. my intestines are more genetically susceptible or something to having the inflammation go there.
Whereas someone else it might be, you know, arthritis or some, some, you know, thyroid or something but, um, You have to find out your genetic susceptibilities to see what you’re, you know, to see what genes can get turned on to see, you know, now that I think about the histamine issue, that was the other thing like when we determined that I had a histamine issue, and that can create your gut lining to be permeable. I guess that is right. Yeah. So because I genetically am susceptible to not removing histamines, my whole gut lining became permeable, which made me susceptible to the other issues.
But also, I didn’t realize that I had a histamine issue because I’m, you know, yes, I would sneeze more often, or whatever. But I didn’t. I wasn’t one of those people allergic to everything. So you would never think that you have too many histamines, but then also, my face doesn’t turn red as much anymore. That was another thing too, that I should have known or being able to be like, really hot, I got zero, like heat tolerance, I would have to go inside. So little things like that. Were all signs that something was going wrong.
So I would tell the listener to look at all those other signs and that, yes, well, those are common, that doesn’t mean that it’s normal. And you can find the root cause for it before it explodes into some sort of big digestive issue or other autoimmune.
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, those are great points. The first point, I would say, which people get in this vicious cycle of never fixing it, Kristin is a, they have this biosis, they do a cleanse, they repair the gut lining, only to find out that they have leaky gut again, and they have food sensitivities, so they remove foods, and then they have lower health of diverse bacteria. And then they never get upstream enough to impact the histamine, which is causing a leaky gut. So it’s just you were able to get upstream from that and see all of the connections there.
And address it, that would be the first thing. The other thing too is that from the genetic standpoint, you make a good point where some people when they’re oxidizing, or when they’re not able to make enough energy, it impacts their neurotransmitters, so they get more concerned or they get more anxious or panicky. And at the end of the day to like when you’re repopulating your healthy flora, your neurotransmitters are all produced in there as well. Right?
So, you know, it’s quite amazing that you know, you’re able to learn all of this, too. So I guess the other thing that we always bring up is, well, you know, it’s expensive, and my insurance should pay for this. And I’m only going to do the things that insurance pays for, I guess, what was it in the motivation that made you feel like okay, like, I can’t go down that road? Or what was it in your line of thinking that, like, the cost-benefit ratio, was it you know, to do something different?
Kristin Angona: I mean, that’s so easy for me. Like, I can’t say that I had all the money upfront to pay for it, I did it. But I found a way. Like, I used some of my HSA, I put some on credit cards, I paid for some out of pocket, sorry, my dog is walking, but, um, but I, in my mind, and I had a friend, um, my friend, Amanda, the nurse practitioner, she said to me, she’s like, when you’re sick, like, stop worrying about money, like, do what you have to do to get better.
And I just, I thought about it, and I was like, if I don’t have my life, then I don’t, what’s the point of having money, so just spend what I have to feel better so that I can have my life again, like, um, and I always tell people now, like, if you could pay, I don’t know, whatever amount it is, like. I mean, there’s to me, there’s no limit, not that I want to be ripped off or something. But I don’t think that I was right there no amount that I wouldn’t have figured out a way whether, you know, you have to sell your cars, I don’t think is what’s the point of having a car if you can’t drive it. Right.
My life was completely turned upside down. I couldn’t. I mean, I worked from home and I couldn’t even work at home because I couldn’t, you know, sit at the computer long enough without having to go to the bathroom or, you know, I was falling over. I couldn’t go out to eat, I couldn’t go, you know, do whatever the things that I like to do. So like, if I can’t do that, what’s the point of having?
Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, you know, it’s amazing. Some people don’t have those Wake Up Calls. I mean, sadly, I had a call with someone the other day who has major brain issues, like they can’t speak properly, they don’t have balance. The doctors are telling them that nothing’s wrong. And I told the person like Look, I don’t have a magic wand and I’m not gonna guarantee you that we’re going to fix this but I feel like I’m your best option here like, like you’re dying Like what?
And they didn’t they didn’t take it. You know, the next step. And I guess if you look at it like people are hardwired different and you No, I think like, okay, what’s the purpose? Like if I can’t work and earn an income? what’s the purpose of me having money when I die? It doesn’t make sense.
Kristin Angona: Well, I think of it, like if you’re, if some, you know, if someone, the only way to get to work is their car and their car engine crash or their car gets totaled or whatever they’re gonna do whatever they can to find a way to get a new car so that they can get to work. So I was thinking in terms of, you know, like, I needed to pay whatever I needed to to get myself better because otherwise, there’s no point in having those things. Um, but also, then I saw my er two er bills was more than what I paid just to see you, right.
I do think I had to still go to the ER, because that was like a, you know, learning opportunity for me to know that I was strong enough to go there on my own overcome, like, you know, a fear with that. But still, that was so expensive tha