We're Not Marketers

Timestamps:00:52 Discussing Target Audience01:40 Horror Stories of Target Audience05:14 Challenges in Messaging and Segmentation14:23 Examples of Poor Market Segmentation21:49 Effective Segmentation Strategies32:15 The Power of Storytelling34:35 Understanding Your Audience38:19 Innovative Research Techniques Show Notes:Mercury EqualsArc BrowserFigmaDevin ReedClayton ChristensenOur websiteHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:0:00 The one word most miss in "product marketing" with Becky Trevino00:16 Introduction and Hosts Banter01:08 Introducing Special Guest Becky Trevino01:55 Becky's Career Journey and Unique Perspective02:49 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?05:05 Defining Product Market Fit07:44 Product Marketing Superpowers10:12 The Art of Storytelling in Product Marketing15:31 Torture Chamber: Tough Choices in Product Strategy19:08 Should Product Marketing Live Within Product?22:38 Building Strong Relationships with Product Managers23:09 Navigating New Challenges in a New Role24:50 Leading Commercial Reviews and Gaining Respect26:03 Balancing Technical and Marketing Perspectives27:55 The Role of AI in Product Marketing33:33 Balancing Present Offerings with Future Roadmaps Show Notes:Becky Trevino LinkedIn Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:05 Dave's Journey and Podcasting Tips04:18 The Importance of Product Marketing06:16 Early Stage Marketing Strategies13:29 Building Trust and Influence in Startups20:24 Positioning and Messaging Challenges24:42 Addressing the Decline in Win Rate25:24 Importance of Executing Positioning25:57 Casual Conversation and Personal Interests26:58 Messaging Torture Chamber27:31 Marketing Strategies: Brand vs. Content29:14 Event Marketing Insights30:59 Simplifying B2B Marketing34:38 The Role of Podcasts in B2B Marketing41:23 Conclusion and Upcoming Events Show Notes:Founder BrandDave LinkedInDave Kellog BlogExit Five CommunityThe Exit Five PodcastHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps00:20 Guest Introduction: Anna Borbotko06:17 TomTom's Evolution and Market Strategy10:25 Challenges and Strategies in Enterprise Product Marketing12:48 Cold Outreach Pilot Program16:27 Enterprise vs. Startup Dynamics18:30 The Evolution of Software Buying19:13 Challenges in the Automotive Industry19:32 Simplifying the Buying Process20:47 Sales and Buyer Enablement23:25 Marketing's Role in Buyer Enablement26:15 The Importance of Effective Collateral29:44 The Torture Chamber33:17 Anna's Initiatives and Final Thoughts Show Notes:Anna’s LinkedIn Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:00 Introduction and Host Introductions01:18 The Importance of Training in Product Marketing01:54 Identifying Unique Superpowers07:18 The Value of Formal Education and Certifications16:42 Applying Knowledge in Real-World Scenarios19:41 Leveraging Data Analytics in Product Marketing26:13 Continuous Learning and Networking33:01 Conclusion and Newsletter Promotion Show Notes:Million Dollar ConsultingYi Lin Pei’s The PMM Dream Job Blueprint Ready for LaunchB2B Messaging CourseYerba MATTTEEEEEEHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Host Intros01:07 Meet Our Guest: Carlota Guell03:28 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?08:18 B2B vs B2C Marketing Insights20:36 The Emotional Buying Pyramid24:22 Fun Lightning Round with Carlota26:43 Closing Remarks and Where to Find Carlota Show NotesProduct Marketing Stories podcastCarlota Guell's LinkedIn profile Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling the World of Product Marketing00:16 Special Guest Harvey Lee: From Business to Rockstar01:45 The Great Debate: Are Marketers Really Marketers?05:14 A Dive into Marketing History with the McElroy Memo12:01 The Evolution of Product Marketing in the Digital Age18:43 Navigating the Pathways to Becoming a Full Stack Marketer21:45 The Journey from Sales, CS, to Product Marketing: A Comparative Analysis26:42 Debunking Marketing Myths: Beyond 'Build It and They Will Come'27:58 The Importance of Marketing Training and Accessibility28:51 Harvey's Journey: Leaving PMA and Embracing Advisory Roles34:16 The Power of Fit in Hiring and Career Growth38:29 Mastering Product Marketing: Skills, Training, and Community41:13 Harvey Lee's Insights: Full Stack Marketing and Beyond44:16 Connecting with Harvey Lee: Books, Awards, and More Show Notes:⁠ Below the Waterline Newsletter⁠⁠Get his book Backstage Pass⁠⁠Harvey's Website⁠⁠Harvey's LinkedIn ⁠Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Show Notes0:00 Standing tall in a "layoff-heavy" PMM job market w/ Yi Lin Pei00:00 Welcome to the Misfit Podcast: Unveiling Product Marketing Mysteries00:17 Introducing Yi Lin Pei: From Visual Artist to Product Marketing Pro03:03 The Unique Role of Product Marketers: Strategists, Not Just Marketers06:07 Mastering Product Marketing: Strategies for Success and Growth10:15 The Torture Chamber Game: Tough Choices for a Product Marketer21:05 Navigating Layoffs: Yi Lin's Perspective and Support for PMMs21:39 Navigating the Challenging Job Market: Strategies and Insights22:51 Differentiation in Job Applications: Standing Out in a Competitive Market23:37 Career Switching Advice: Embracing Stepping Stone Roles24:45 Personal Success Stories: Leveraging Unique Backgrounds for Career Advancement27:15 The Importance of Differentiation Throughout the Hiring Process32:03 Advocacy and Representation: Addressing Underrepresentation in Tech38:35 Leadership and Advocacy: Supporting Underrepresented Groups in the Workplace44:07 Yi Lin's PMM Superpower and Final Thoughts Resources:Courageous Careers Newsletter⁠⁠Positioning for Growth podcast⁠⁠Yi Lin Pei LinkedInHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:00 Welcome to Season 2: The Unforgettable Comeback00:55 The Big Reveal: Why We Faked Our Podcast's Death02:59 Emotional Engagement and Its Impact05:22 The Aftermath: Listener Reactions and Personal Reflections12:53 Introducing the Newsletter: A New Way to Engage15:52 The Misfit Community: Engaging with Our Audience17:17 Kicking Off with Casual Banter17:48 Deep Dive into Emotional Engagement20:02 Exploring Product Marketing Challenges24:58 Personal Growth and Professional Evolution27:05 Embracing the Consulting Journey33:06 Wrapping Up and Looking Forward Show notes:⁠We’re Not Marketers Website⁠⁠Dying 4 Influence Newsletter⁠⁠Ruben Studdard’s Sorry 2004⁠Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:45 WNM origin story05:40 How we came up with the name14:00 The skeleton branding26:09 Consistency and humor in our marketing31:28 Consistency in podcasting34:43 Our differentiation and favorite guests48:10 Survey results with Adam McQueen from Klue01:03:14 Final verdict and end of the podcast? Show Notes:The original We’re Not Marketers postAdam McQueen LinkedIn Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:39 The role of product marketing in the B2B landscape03:14 Why website ownership and conversion rates matter for PMMs04:42 Challenges and strategies to be aware when managing website messaging06:52 The evolution and future of message testing07:22 CEO's Role as a product Marketer in Startups09:53 Why messaging is underestimated in B2B13:05 Message testing and market trends16:24 Advices for solo PMM on messaging19:38 How to improve your message clarity and relevance20:56 How to leverage customer feedback with your messaging24:29 How Peep is building influence and engaging on LinkedIn26:43 What makes Spryng different from other B2B events29:42 The Messaging Torture Chamber34:19 Where to find Peep and learn more from him Show Notes:WynterHemingway AppSales Pitch by April DunfordB2B Messaging courseSpryng event Peep LinkedIn Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:02:47 Clara's Journey into Competitive Intelligence03:45 Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?05:10 The Role of Competitive Intelligence in Revenue Generation08:01 The Importance of Being Selfless in Product Marketing10:33 Ideal Structure for Competitive Intelligence13:02 Misconceptions about Competitive Intelligence16:22 The Power of Competitive Intelligence Newsletters19:21 Building a Content Creation Team21:31 Investing in Competitive Intelligence25:23 The Evolution of Competitive Intelligence28:20 Handling Internal Requests and Prioritizing Competitors34:00 Special Projects and Where to Find Clara Show Notes:Clara LinkedIn Back Office to Boardroom SpotifyBack Office to Boardroom Apple PodcastsHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps: 01:30 Zach Messler's Background and Journey03:20 The Big Question: Are Product Marketers Actually Marketers?09:26 Zach's Philosophy and Approach to Marketing18:27 The Importance of Clarity in Messaging20:11 The Hierarchy of Clarity24:56 The Power of Context in Messaging30:31 The Importance of Context in Problem-Solution Approach31:44 The Role of Product Marketers and Its Challenges32:28 Strategies to Enhance Product Marketing Role33:12 The Power of Negotiation in Product Marketing37:31 The Impact of Trade Shows in Product Marketing39:52 The Art of Messaging in Product Marketing48:23 The Essence of Product Messaging Show notes:Zach LinkedIn Never split the difference by Christopher VossClarity RulesHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:24 The Importance of Data in Marketing05:12 Effective Storytelling with Data07:20 The Power of Positioning and Market Insight11:57 The Balance Between Creativity and Metrics16:42 The Challenges of Data Analytics in Product Marketing21:17 Measuring Podcasts for Thought Leadership24:00 The Problem of Instant Gratification28:20 The Importance of Balance in Growth31:26 The Role of Data in Guiding Initiatives33:21 The Power of Gut Feeling and Hard Work Show Notes:April Dunford Positioning PodcastFletchPMM Notion CheatsheetDevin Reed LinkedInProductivePMM Notion HubHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:37: Transitioning from non-profit to tech2:02: Collin's background as a preacher up to product marketing4:47: Are product marketers actually marketers?7:32: Collin's approach as a founding PMM09:32: Defining product marketing in a new role11:16: The importance of building relationships12:29: Balancing short-term and long-term goals14:30: Leadership in product marketing16:25: The importance of building credibility18:12: Setting boundaries and building respect21:11: The rule of reciprocity in product marketing23:51: Sharing and building credibility 27:38: Lightning round Show Notes:Collin LinkedInHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:02: Madison's journey to product marketing02:11: Transitioning from B2C to B2B02:58: Madison's current role and GTM strategy passion05:37: Are product marketers actually marketers?07:56: The disconnect between marketing and sales12:11: The role of product marketing in Go-to-market18:07: Building trust and influencing change in organizations22:47: The shift from B2B to PLG32:39: Where to find Madison and learn more about her workShow Notes:Madison LinkedInSaaS Secrets newsletterHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:01:17: Eric's layoff experience04:12: Zach's layoff experience10:24: The state of layoffs and product marketing in the US12:34: Taking the solopreneur road after being laid off14:00: The stress of the first 90 days as a PMM15:53: Specialist vs. generalist PMM18:27: How to position yourself as a PMM and be memorable22:31: How can you make your next job search a success Show Notes:Emma Stratton LinkedInProduct Marketing Alliance Salary ReportPersonal Positioning from Tamara GrominskyPractical Positioning Guide from Jess PetrellaTealHQ.com - CRM for job searchStillhiring.today - Job boardLavender AI - How to write great email to hiring managersAligned - Digital Salesroom to showcase your workHealthy Competition - CI CommunityPMMCamp - Product Marketing Community Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:04:14: Are product marketers actually marketers?08:15: What is easier: being a generalist PMM or a specialist like in CI?12:05: Is it easier being in competitive intelligence than product marketing?15:03: Does category creation matter in competitive intelligence?19:30: Biggest mistakes you can make on competitive intel24:20: How to command respect as a PMM28:12: How to break into CI as a PMM38:35: Where to find and learn more about Andy Show Notes:Andy LinkedInHealthy Competition LinkedInHealthy CompetitionReady for launch {March Cohort} Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:54: Are product marketers actually marketers?02:26: PMM would be terrible CMOs03:36: The ideal reporting structure for product marketers05:21: How to create good product marketing fundamentals09:00: Balancing strategy and execution15:44: How much important is copywriting for PMMs?18:53: Defining product marketing within your organization23:04: Category creation and Tamara’s take24:41: Evaluating a product marketing role Show Notes:PMMCampReady for launch {March Cohort}:Tamara's LinkedIn Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Timestamps:00:55 - How PMMs should drive revenue05:46 - The focus on leads vs. the focus on revenue08:18 - How to make sure PMMs drive revenue10:45 - Why stakeholders don't understand the impact of messaging16:16 - Balancing strategic projects with tactics as a PMM22:46 - How to manage ongoing requests27:38 - How to enforce a research phase on strategic projects31:50 - How to help change priorities internally35:46 - What to do if you're doing more lead gen than revenue capture? Show notes:Olivine and Winter - B2B Messaging Course Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Anthony LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonypierri/FletchPMM Website: https://www.fletchpmm.com/Fletch Notion Database: https://buy.stripe.com/fZeeYe1tBc2C37y3ctGood Hangs Spotify Timestamps01:41 - How Anthony predict if a client project will go well02:21 - Why referrals don't work for FletchPMM03:41 - Anthony LinkedIn GTM strategy and how they attract clients06:50 - Are product marketers, actually marketers?09:33 - VCs without marketing background are shaping bad homepage messaging18:35 - How FletchPMM works with in-house marketing teams21:16 - Why is there so much bad messaging in B2B marketing24:30 - The Beachhead Approach for your homepage28:15 - How to find and connect with AnthonyHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oakleyjason/PMM Files Website: https://pmmfiles.com/The Productive PMM Website: https://productivepmm.com/Ready for Launch Course: https://maven.com/course-crew/readyforlaunch Timestamps:02:08 Are PMMs actually marketers?03:43 The biggest challenge of founding PMMs at early-stage startups05:38 How to prioritize to be a more productive PMM15:34 Why Jason started ProductivePMM18:56 Important skills of founding PMMs23:47 The fundamentals of product marketing and how they back up strategy and execution26:46 Most common pitfalls for product launches32:14 Where to find Jason and to get more information Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Most PMMs feel sellers don’t do what they tell ’em. Ears fume after listening to a random customer call recording because a sales rep decided not to stay on message. Sellers feel no different about PMMs.90% of sales and marketing professionals point to several disconnects across strategy, process, content, and culture. (LinkedIn, 2020). It’s astounding! How can two professions, most focused on the customer persona, stand at odds like Will Ferrell & John C. Reilly in 2008’s Stepbrothers?in this next episode, our co-hosts speak on the most common challenges between marketing and sales teams. How to navigate those dynamics to be a better friend to sellers that PMs can’t get from any product roadmap. And, the co-hosts share tips you can use to foster instant karma points with your selling partners. Time Stamps:00:16 Introduction and Discussion on Marketing and Sales Silos01:11 The Challenges of Being a Solo Marketer in a Startup01:31 The Misunderstanding of Product Marketing’s Role02:45 Sales Leaders’ Perspective on Marketing and Sales Goals04:19 Strategies to Elevate Authority with Sales05:02 The Importance of Crafting Effective Messaging06:59 The Role of Product Marketing in Assisting Sales10:50 The Value of Repetition and Persistence in Marketing11:35 The Struggles and Solutions in Sales Enablement13:50 Conclusion: Breaking Down Silos and Building Team ComraderyHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

This podcast episode centers around the challenges faced by product marketing managers in conducting their jobs and ensuring their roles are correctly understood in their respective organizations.Our three co-hosts share personal experiences and frustrations, highlighting issues such as being undervalued in strategic processes, difficulty in role definition, job insecurity, and the need for having a centralized decision-maker in positioning and messaging.They discuss the growing specializations in product marketing and highlight the urgency for product marketers to align their interests and job expectations with these evolving roles. Our co-hosts also highlight the upcoming ‘product marketing superstar’ guests who’ll be in later episodes to share their experience and expertise in being rockstar PMMs. Sections:0:00 How to fortify the value as a PMM in your org when you’re at your wits end.00:28 Why prior experience matters to how you view product marketing01:33 Why we wanted to create this podcast, in the first place.03:15 Learning from PMMs, a few steps ahead of you.05:05 Future of PMM and sense of belonging in your career todayHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

Launch trailer for the first episode of We're Not MarketersHosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.