Think Inclusive

Meg Grigal — Researcher and program leader at the Institute for Community Inclusion, University of Massachusetts Boston, where she directs multiple federally funded projects that expand access to higher education for people with intellectual disability (ID).Cate Weir — Project Coordinator for the Think College National Coordinating Center at UMass Boston; she supports colleges nationwide and has led the ongoing build‑out of the Think College website and resource ecosystem.Host Tim Villegas speaks with Meg Grigal and Cate Weir from Think College about why inclusive higher education is both possible and powerful for students with intellectual disabilities—even for those who didn’t experience strong K–12 inclusion or who don’t hold a “regular” high‑school diploma. They outline how programs typically use an alternative admissions path, focus on authentic campus life (academics, internships, social life, sometimes residential), and award meaningful non‑degree credentials aligned to career goals. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/meg-grigal-cate-weir-inclusive-higher-education-for-people-with-intellectual-disabilities/

Jani Kozlowski is a Technical Assistance Specialist with the Early Childhood TA Center at the Frank Porter Graham Child Development Institute (University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill). She previously served as the inclusion lead for the Office of Head Start’s National Center on Early Childhood Development, Teaching, and Learning, and is the author of Every Child Can Fly: An Early Childhood Educator’s Guide to Inclusion.In this episode, Jani Kozlowski makes a compelling case that inclusive early childhood programs set the trajectory for belonging and learning throughout K–12 and life. She shares research-backed benefits for children with and without disabilities, unpacks the defining features of inclusion (access, participation, supports), and explains why the biggest barriers are often beliefs and habits—not laws or funding. Jani also offers practical ways to prepare educators, partner with families, and design environments where every child can learn to “fly”—in their own way.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jani-kozlowski-early-childhood-inclusive-education/

Dr. Ross Greene is the New York Times bestselling author of Lost at School and Raising Human Beings. He developed the Collaborative and Proactive Solutions (CPS) model, a framework for supporting children with challenging behavior by focusing on problem-solving rather than punishment. Formerly on the faculty at Harvard Medical School for over 20 years, Dr. Greene is now the founding director of Lives in the Balance, a nonprofit offering free resources on CPS. In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Dr. Ross Greene about why schools need to shift from focusing on student behavior to addressing the underlying problems causing that behavior. They explore how the CPS model works, why traditional behaviorist approaches fall short, and how educators can create more equitable and inclusive environments for all learners. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-ross-greene-using-collaborative-and-proactive-solutions-to-support-the-behavior-of-all-learners/

Dr. Mona Delahooke is a licensed clinical psychologist with over 30 years of experience supporting children and families. She is a senior faculty member at the Profectum Foundation and a member of the American Psychological Association. Dr. Delahooke is the author of Beyond Behaviors: Using Brain Science and Compassion to Understand and Solve Children’s Behavioral Challenges and Brain-Body Parenting. Her work focuses on translating neuroscience into practical strategies for parents and educators to better understand and support children’s emotional and behavioral development.In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Dr. Mona Delahooke about moving beyond traditional behavior management systems like charts and rewards. They explore why behaviors should be seen as signals rather than targets, the importance of relational safety, and how understanding the brain-body connection can transform parenting and teaching. Dr. Delahooke introduces practical tools like the “check-in” process and explains why co-regulation—not punishment—is key to helping children thrive.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-mona-delahooke-beyond-behavior-charts-and-positive-reinforcement/

Mazey Eddings is an author and dentist who identifies as neurodivergent (anxiety since childhood; ADHD and autism diagnosed later). She’s on a personal mission to destigmatize mental health and write “love stories for every brain.” She also proudly claims the title of stage mom to her cats, Yaya and Zedi. Host Tim Villegas talks with Mazey Eddings about neurodiverse representation in romance, the visceral reality of anxiety as portrayed in her debut novel A Brush with Love (set in dental school), and how stories can help readers see mental health with greater empathy. They discuss internalized shame and ableism, sexism in clinical training, and the trial‑and‑error of supporting a partner with anxiety—while reaffirming romance’s promise of hard‑won happy endings.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mazey-eddings-neurodiverse-representation-in-books/

Liz Weintraub — Senior Advocacy Specialist at the Association of University Centers on Disabilities (AUCD); host of the monthly YouTube series Tuesdays with Liz: Disability Policy for All, where she breaks down complex policy terms and bills so everyone can understand and advocate. She’s interviewed legislators and has produced 200+ short episodes over ~5–7 years. Kenneth Kelty — Motivational speaker and disability advocate with the Carolina Institute for Developmental Disabilities (UNC); graduate of Western Carolina University’s University Participant (UP) inclusive postsecondary program; host of Exceeding Expectations with Kenneth Kelty, a podcast featuring trailblazers (with and without disabilities) focused on empowerment, inclusive postsecondary education, and competitive employment. His show has covered stories like B3 Coffee (NC) and an international perspective on disability from Ireland. Host Tim Villegas talks with Liz Weintraub and Kenneth Kelty about why they create content as a form of advocacy—Liz to make disability policy plain-language and actionable, and Kenneth to amplify lived experiences and self‑determination through podcasting. They share memorable moments (like explaining congressional recess in everyday terms and highlighting inclusive employment via B3 Coffee) and where listeners can find their work. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/liz-weintraub-kenneth-kelty-using-content-creation-for-disability-advocacy/

Rasheera Dopson — Author, disability justice activist, researcher, and MPH student at Morehouse School of Medicine whose work explores the intersection of race, gender, and disability. She founded Beauty With a Twist in 2016 to build community among women and girls with disabilities and hosts the WomanHood & Disability podcast, creating a safe, intersectional space that bridges disabled and non‑disabled audiences.Host Tim Villegas welcomes Rasheera Dopson to talk about why she launched the WomanHood & Disability podcast and what it means to live at the intersection of womanhood and disability. Rasheera shares how moving from writing to podcasting pushed her to articulate lived experiences—like ableism and health disparities—in ways that invite both vulnerability and community. The conversation covers how she mixes solo episodes with interviews, uses cultural moments (e.g., Black History Month) to frame topics, and keeps the door open for allies while centering disabled voices. She also reflects on internships (including with Sen. Jon Ossoff’s office and AAPD), her goals in disability policy, and what’s ahead for Season 2, from body positivity to Black disability and intersectionality.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/rasheera-dopson-womanhood-and-disability-podcast/

Matt (he/him) — Disability advocate (legal name withheld in the episode), graduate of Wake Forest University, podcaster, and independent contractor. He lives with cerebral palsy and discusses the tightrope of earning income while maintaining essential Medicaid benefits. He also co-hosts the actual‑play Dungeons & Dragons podcast With Rolls and No Luck under the alias “Samurai Fooks.”Shirene Hayes (she/her) — Chief Encouragement Officer and creator of Super MEro and The Code, an SEL resource for schools. She’s an award‑winning author, keynote speaker, serial entrepreneur, world traveler, and mother of two grown sons; she champions the “each one, teach one” mindset and the “power of one.”Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/matt-from-with-rolls-and-no-luck-shirene-hayes-creator-of-super-mero/

Ira Eidle (Decatur, GA) is an autistic self‑advocate and curator of Autistic Archive, a growing collection that preserves and teaches the history of the neurodiversity movement. He earned a B.A. in Theater & Performance Studies from Kennesaw State University, completed the 2020 Autism Campus Inclusion program with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network (ASAN), and founded the student group Neurodivergent Advocates of Kennesaw. He currently interns at The Hirsch Academy and is passionate about documenting movement history so educators and advocates can learn from past wins—and missteps. Cameos in this episode: Bryan Nance, a barista at Independent Grounds (Kennesaw, GA), shares how meaningful, inclusive work has improved his life and skills; Tim Villegas hosts.Host Tim Villegas talks with Ira Eidle about the origins and evolution of the neurodiversity movement and why he created Autistic Archive to make that history accessible. They explore early listserv culture, seminal sites like Autistics.org and Neurodiversity.com, and recurring debates inside the movement—centering the question “who’s in control?” of spaces, services, and narratives about autistic people.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ira-eidle-autistic-archive/

Haley Moss (she/her) — autistic attorney, author, artist, and advocate based in Miami, Florida. Known as Florida’s first openly autistic attorney, Haley now works as an educator and consultant to corporations and nonprofits on neurodiversity and disability inclusion, and is a frequent commentator on disability rights. Her books include Great Minds Think Differently, Neurodiversity for Lawyers and Other Professionals, and The Young Autistic Adults’ Independence Handbook. Earlier works include Middle School: The Stuff Nobody Tells You About and A Freshman Survival Guide for College Students with Autism Spectrum Disorder.What does independence actually mean for autistic young adults—and where does interdependence fit in? Haley Moss deconstructs the all‑or‑nothing notion of “doing everything by yourself,” offers practical life strategies (from grocery shopping to prescriptions), and lays out alternatives to guardianship with a strong emphasis on supported decision‑making. She closes with concrete ways educators can foster self‑advocacy at every age.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/haley-moss-autistic-independence/

Lisa Drennan — inclusion expert, trainer, consultant, and founder of Merge Inclusion Consulting. She draws on 37 years of leadership supporting people with disabilities and helps community organizations (like YMCAs, rec programs, camps, libraries, and faith groups) build inclusive cultures where everyone has a meaningful role. Host Tim Villegas talks with Lisa Drennan about moving inclusion beyond schools and into community life—especially recreation spaces like YMCAs, summer camps, JCCs, Boys & Girls Clubs, libraries, and arts programs. They cover practical advocacy steps for families (start at the top, ask about barriers, and suggest training), the mindset shift from “we can’t” to “how do we get to yes,” and why inclusion must be an organization‑wide commitment, not a one‑off program or single staff role. Lisa also shares a free toolkit she authored with The Arc of Massachusetts to help community organizations spark authentic friendships between people with and without disabilities.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/lisa-drennan-inclusive-recreation/

Alida Miranda-Wolff is the CEO and founder of Ethos, a consultancy firm specializing in Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging (DEIB) transformation. She is notable for her book, "Cultures of Belonging: Building Inclusive Organizations that Last," which explores strategies for fostering inclusive environments. Alida's background spans higher education at the University of Chicago, non-profit work in immigrant and refugee rights, and a pioneering role in venture capital as one of the first Latina directors. She has taught at the University of Chicago, Northwestern University, and General Assembly, cultivating a deep understanding of DEIB initiatives. Through Ethos, Alida aims to innovate and apply DEIB strategies that resonate with modern organizational dynamics.In this insightful episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, Tim Villegas engages Alida Miranda-Wolff, the CEO of Ethos and author of "Cultures of Belonging," to delve into creating inclusive educational environments. With a focus on diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB), Alida explains how organizations, particularly schools, can foster a culture of belonging for both students and teachers. Tim and Alida discuss how identity and personal experiences shape one's approach to DEIB work, drawing from Alida's diverse career background in higher education, nonprofit, and venture capital sectors.Throughout the conversation, Alida emphasizes the importance of belonging as a core psychological need and describes her approach to building inclusive cultures, which hinges on the three R's—relationships, resources, and reciprocity. For schools, this means creating meaningful connections and ensuring educators are supported and fairly compensated. Alida also addresses the issue of value misalignment within educational institutions and how teachers can navigate these challenges. Practical strategies for fostering belonging among educators are discussed, encouraging teachers to build their micro-cultures and seek community support, even in misaligned systems.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/alida-miranda-wolff-building-inclusive-organizations-that-last/

King Williams — Atlanta-based journalist and filmmaker who traces CRT’s history, explains how cases like Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson reveal the gap between what is legal and what is moral, and describes how groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy shaped school narratives in the South.Alida Miranda-Wolff — CEO and founder of Ethos, clarifies what CRT is (and isn’t), outlines core tenets (race as a social construct; racism embedded in institutions; the role of counter-storytelling; and the critique of colorblindness/meritocracy), and shares how intersectionality and systems-thinking inform practical DEIB work.Eddie Fergus — Professor of Urban Education Policy at Temple University who teaches a doctoral seminar on CRT and connects historical/legal context to today’s school equity debates, noting why “when you’re accustomed to privilege, equity feels like oppression.”Pete Newlove — High school English teacher and doctoral candidate at the University of Colorado Denver who describes on-the-ground effects of anti‑CRT politics in schools and how educators navigate backlash, book bans, and board-level power shifts.Featuring a clip from Cecelia Lewis — A school leader whose experience became entangled in anti‑CRT rumors; she shares a powerful inclusion story about moving a student with significant behavioral support needs into general education.Host Tim Villegas explores how the anti‑CRT movement is spilling over into K–12 and threatening broader educational equity efforts—including disability inclusion. With insights from King Williams, Alida Miranda-Wolff, Eddie Fergus, and Pete Newlove, the episode clarifies what CRT actually is, how it’s being mischaracterized, and what practical steps educators can take to keep inclusion moving forward.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/what-inclusionists-need-to-know-about-the-anti-crt-movement/

Diana Pastora Carson is an educator of 30+ years who has taught at both the elementary and university levels. She’s a consultant and trainer on disability and diversity, a board alum of Disability Rights California and current board member of Disability Voices United. She hosts the Beyond Awareness: Disability Awareness That Matters podcast and is the author of Beyond Awareness: Bringing Disability into Diversity Work in K–12 Schools and Communities and the children’s book Ed Roberts: Champion of Disability Rights. Diana is also a fierce sibling advocate. Her brother Joaquin spent 15 years in institutional settings after years of aversive “behavior” programs and harmful medication protocols. Diana and her family fought to bring him home into supported living on rural property designed for his safety and choice—what they lovingly call “Joaquinified.”Host Tim Villegas talks with Diana Pastora Carson about her family’s journey to free Joaquin from an institution and what true inclusion requires in schools and communities. They unpack why typical “disability simulations” miss the point, and why presuming competence, prioritizing communication access, and removing societal barriers are the real drivers of inclusion. The episode closes with how Diana’s Beyond Awareness work gives educators concrete, research‑informed steps that honor disabled people’s voices. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/diana-pastora-carson-beyond-awareness/

Greta Harrison is the creator and host of the Born Fabulous Podcast. A passionate advocate for inclusive education, Greta is a mother of two daughters—her youngest has Down syndrome and autism. Her journey has been shaped by a commitment to learning, community involvement, and storytelling. Greta’s podcast amplifies the voices of self-advocates and their families, showcasing the power of inclusion and the importance of hope in education. She is also a writer for The Mighty and is currently working on a fiction book.In this episode, Tim Villegas interviews Greta Harrison about her motivation for starting the Born Fabulous Podcast, her personal journey as a parent of a child with disabilities, and the importance of hope and relationships in inclusive education. Greta shares powerful stories from her life and podcast guests, emphasizing that inclusion is not just about access to education but about building a life in the community. The conversation also explores systemic challenges, the role of educators, and how parents can advocate effectively for their children.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/greta-harrison-born-fabulous-podcast/

Dr. Zerek Mayes — Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at a private school in Chicago, Illinois.Dena Slanda — Faculty at the University of Central Florida, working on teacher preparation grants through the Office of Special Education Programs.Lindsey Pike — Doctoral candidate at the University of Central Florida in Exceptional Education, focusing on diversity, equity, and inclusion at the intersection of disability and other markers of difference.Eric Wells — Director of IDEA Programs at the Oregon Department of Education.In this bonus episode recorded live at the Council for Exceptional Children Conference in Orlando, Tim Villegas sits down with four equity advocates to unpack the intersection of race and disability in education. The conversation explores why current systems often fail students from racially, culturally, and linguistically diverse backgrounds—and what educators can do to change that. From grassroots action to systemic reform, this episode is a call to reflect, act, and lead for equity.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/the-intersection-of-race-and-disability-pop-up-podcast-cec2022/

Amanda Darrow — Director of Youth, Family, and Education at the Utah Pride Center. She holds an M.Ed. and a B.S. in Clinical & Counseling Psychology from Westminster College (Salt Lake City). Her work focuses on helping homes, schools, and community spaces become more inclusive for LGBTQIA+ youth and families, and educating current and future generations about the community. Shamby Polychronis, Ph.D. — Assistant Professor of Special Education at the University of Utah. A long‑time disability rights advocate, her passions include intersectionality, alternatives to guardianship, full inclusion in school and community, eliminating aversive interventions, and meaningful employment. She prepares special‑education teacher candidates and continues research and advocacy across these issues.Host Tim Villegas talks with Amanda Darrow and Shamby Polychronis about honoring intersectionality between disability and LGBTQIA+ identities—what it looks like in classrooms, why language matters, and how policies and everyday practices can either harm or protect students. They unpack the “Genderbread Person” framework (identity, expression, sex, and attraction), discuss pronouns and the life‑saving impact of respectful language, share data on overlap between LGBTQIA+ and disability communities, and offer practical tips administrators and teachers can implement now—along with legal angles (ADA, FAPE/IDEA, Title IX) for creating safer, more equitable schools.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/amanda-darrow-and-shamby-polychronis-honoring-intersectionality/

Host — Tim Villegas Host of Think Inclusive, framing this “best of” episode and guiding four featured conversations on inclusion.Lou Brown Co‑founder of TASH; this previously unpublished 2019 clip covers “ultimate functioning,” vertical and horizontal teaming, and why inclusive, integrated settings matter for learning and behavior.Katie Novak Universal Design for Learning (UDL) expert and former assistant superintendent; she challenges ineffective standardized assessments and urges impact‑over‑intent, evidence‑informed teaching.Alfie Kohn Author of Punished by Rewards; explains how extrinsic incentives (stickers, points, praise-as-reward, PBIS) can erode students’ intrinsic motivation.Cheryl Jorgensen Author and longtime inclusion advocate; draws clear parallels between civil rights and disability rights and offers practical advice for educators working toward system change.This “Best of” episode features four powerful clips: a never‑before‑released conversation with Lou Brown from 2019; plus highlights with Katie Novak, Alfie Kohn, and Cheryl Jorgensen. Together they tackle enduring questions—why inclusive placements outperform segregated “special classes,” how UDL can counter inaccessible assessment systems, why rewards often backfire, and how disability rights sit alongside civil rights. It’s a practical, plain‑spoken primer on building schools where every learner belongs.Complete show notes and transcript:

Anthony Ianni is a national motivational speaker and autism self‑advocate, and the first known NCAA Division I men’s basketball player with an autism diagnosis. He played for the Michigan State Spartans, earned a bachelor’s degree in sociology from Michigan State, and is the author of Centered: Autism, Basketball, and One Athlete’s Dreams. He’s also a husband and dad to two sons, Knox and Nash.Host Tim Villegas opens with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network’s plain‑language definition of autism, then talks with Anthony Ianni about his late‑disclosed diagnosis, his journey to (and through) Michigan State basketball, and how he came to embrace his autistic identity. The conversation centers on high expectations, support, and the message Anthony shares with young autistic people: you define your futureComplete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/anthony-ianni-autism-basketball-and-one-athletes-dream/

Howard Shane, Ph.D. — Associate Professor at Harvard Medical School and Director of the Autism Language Program at Boston Children’s Hospital. A pioneer in augmentative and alternative communication (AAC), Dr. Shane has designed numerous computer applications for people with disabilities, holds two U.S. patents, and has been recognized by national organizations for lifetime contributions to clinical practice and technology innovation. He is the author of Unsilenced: A Teacher’s Year of Battles, Breakthroughs, and Life‑Changing Lessons at Belchertown State School. Content Warning: In today’s episode, we will discuss depictions of the living conditions of institutions for people with disabilities in the 1960s and certain attitudes about people with disabilities that worked there.Dr. Howard Shane reflects on his first teaching job at Belchertown State School in 1969, how witnessing institutional life transformed his career, and the early DIY innovations that helped shape modern AAC. He traces a throughline from interest‑driven instruction to today’s consumer‑grade tech (wearables, AR, and AI) that can quietly support communication and social‑emotional needs—while arguing for a language and mindset shift that keeps students learning with their peers as much as possible, with targeted instruction layered in.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/howard-shane-how-teaching-at-belchertown-state-school-changed-my-life/

Karrie Shogren — Director of the Kansas University Center on Developmental Disabilities and Professor in the Department of Special Education at the University of Kansas.Sheida Raley — Assistant Research Professor at the Kansas University Center on Developmental Disabilities and Assistant Professor in the Department of Special Education at the University of Kansas.In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Karrie Shogren and Sheida Raley about what self-determination really means and why it matters for all students—not just those in special education. They dive deep into the Self-Determined Learning Model of Instruction (SDLMI), a flexible, evidence-based framework that empowers students to set goals, make plans, and reflect on their progress.The conversation explores how SDLMI works in inclusive classrooms, its role in multi-tiered systems of support, and why fostering self-determination is essential for equity and lifelong success. You’ll also hear practical stories from classrooms and learn how educators can start implementing SDLMI in their schools.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/karrie-shogren-sheida-raley-what-does-self-determination-really-mean/

Dr. Jenna Rufo is an author, educator, and inclusive education consultant who founded empowerED School Solutions to help districts implement inclusive practices. She previously served as a special education administrator, director, and assistant superintendent, after beginning her career as an inclusion facilitator. Her work is deeply informed by her sister, Nina, who has multiple disabilities. Dr. Jenna Rufo co‑authored Reimagining Special Education with Dr. Julie Causton.In this conversation, Tim Villegas and Dr. Jenna Rufo dig into what it really means to “reimagine” special education—using inclusion as the framework for equity and support for all students. They talk about shifting beliefs so the default is general education, wrapping services around students, designing instruction that’s engaging and differentiated, and building structures (like intervention/enrichment blocks and inclusion facilitation) that make inclusive schooling sustainable. They also touch on accountability for Least Restrictive Environment (LRE), neighborhood schools, and practical steps educators can take to start change now.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jenna-rufo-using-inclusion-as-a-framework-to-build-equity-and-support-all-students/

Michael McSheehan is the owner and lead technical assistance provider at Evolve and Effect, LLC. He partners with schools, districts, and state agencies nationwide to strengthen inclusive education by braiding MTSS (Multi‑Tiered System of Support) and UDL (Universal Design for Learning). His path started in speech‑language pathology with a focus on augmentative and alternative communication, and grew into systems‑change work—including years with the SWIFT Education Center across five states, 16 districts, and 64 schools.In this conversation, Michael McSheehan unpacks how MTSS and UDL fit together to make inclusive education work in everyday classrooms. He explains that UDL is the design foundation—assuming variability, elevating student voice, and removing barriers—while MTSS adds the structures and rapid response needed to prevent struggle and respond quickly when students need more. Together, they form a proactive, responsive system where all students start with “first, best instruction” and belong to a community of learners. Michael reflects on lessons from SWIFT systems‑change work (state–district–school alignment matters), names the biggest barriers (adult mindsets, insufficient collaboration time, leadership turnover), and argues we need stronger civil‑rights‑level accountability—akin to Brown v. Board—to move beyond incrementalism. He also tackles the hard question, “Is inclusion done badly better than segregation?” and explains why the answer is no, sharing a student story (“Andy”) that shows how harm from unsupported inclusion can necessitate a temporary separate placement—with a thoughtful path back. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/michael-mcsheehan-how-mtss-and-udl-fit-into-inclusive-education/

Janice Fialka — Author, social worker, and longtime activist; mom of two adult children, including Micah, who lives interdependently in Syracuse and was featured in the film Intelligent Lives. (Emma—her daughter—is a school principal in Boston.)Sara Jo Soldovieri — Doctoral student at Syracuse University studying inclusive special education; inclusive special educator by training; previously created and ran the inclusive education program at the National Down Syndrome Society; appears in the documentary Forget Me Not about inclusive education in New York City.Host Tim Villegas sits down with Janice Fialka and Sara Jo Soldovieri to talk about how to respond when families believe segregated special education classrooms are “best.” The conversation centers on listening first, naming fears, presuming competence, and taking practical steps—because inclusion is a process where all students learn together with the right supports.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/janice-fialka-sara-jo-soldovieri-what-to-say-when-families-think-segregated-special-education-classrooms-are-best/

Emily Ladau — Disability rights activist, writer, and speaker; editor‑in‑chief of the Rooted in Rights blog; co‑host of The Accessible Stall podcast; and author of Demystifying Disability: What to Know, What to Say, and How to Be an Ally.Emily Ladau joins Tim Villegas to unpack what meaningful allyship to disabled people looks like in everyday life, why language matters, and how multiple disability models shape attitudes and systems. They dig into inclusive schooling and work, the limits of “inspiration” narratives, and the principle of “nothing about us without us.”Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/emily-ladau-how-to-be-an-ally-to-disabled-people/

Genia Stephen — founder and host of the Good Things In Life podcast. She supports families to help kids with intellectual disabilities build inclusive lives at home, school, and in the community. She’s also a midwife with 10+ years’ experience working with families, including those welcoming a child with a disability.Tim talks with Genia Stephen about why podcasting is her go‑to way to bring disability thought leaders to families, what inclusion looks like across Canada and the U.S., and why “perfect inclusion” is aspirational—but inclusion still beats segregation every time. They discuss real‑life examples—from Genia’s sister and friend Becky to her son’s schooling—that show how community, relationships, and access to the regular curriculum create better outcomes.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/genia-stephen-good-things-in-life-podcast/

Eric Garcia is a journalist and the author of We’re Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation. He has worked at The Washington Post, The Hill, Roll Call, National Journal, and MarketWatch; his writing has appeared in The New Republic, The Daily Beast, The American Prospect, and Salon. He currently serves as Senior D.C. Correspondent for The Independent and is active on X/Twitter at @EricMGarcia. In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Eric Garcia about reframing how society talks about autism—centering autistic voices, prioritizing real supports, and moving away from labels that flatten people’s experiences. Garcia challenges “inspiration” narratives, argues for fully funding and properly delivering IDEA services, and explains why integrated employment and community‑based supports matter for dignity and opportunity. He discusses health care that listens to autistic people, the overlapping struggles of autistic and LGBTQ+ communities, and why terms like “high‑” and “low‑functioning” should give way to talking about support needs. The conversation closes with a hopeful vision: autistic people included in every decision that affects them—across policy, workplaces, and public life. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/eric-garcia-were-not-broken-changing-the-autism-conversation/

Marilyn Friend — Renowned expert on co‑teaching and inclusive practices; author of practitioner books including Co‑Teach and Specially Designed Instruction for Co‑Teaching. She emphasizes co‑teaching as a service delivery option that embeds specially designed instruction in general education classrooms. Learn more at coteach.com or reach her at [email protected]. Host Tim Villegas talks with Marilyn Friend about what co‑teaching really is (and isn’t), why it isn’t mandated in federal or state law, and how it strengthens inclusive education by ensuring physical, social, and instructional integration for students with disabilities. The conversation covers the six co‑teaching approaches, which ones to prioritize, and practical guardrails like role reciprocity and keeping specially designed instruction truly “special.”

Sarah Wishart is the Creative Director at EachOther, a UK human-rights journalism charity, where she leads both the editorial and film teams. With a background in theatre/performance and communications in the education/media space, she focuses on storytelling that centers lived experience. In 2020 she launched Excluded, a youth-led feature documentary about school exclusion in the UK that elevates the voices of young people—many credited as co‑creators and consultants.Host Tim Villegas talks with Sarah Wishart about Excluded, a young-people–led documentary exploring how exclusion works in UK schools and why inclusion and compassion matter. They cover the viral “ad hack” that mapped a school‑exclusion‑to‑prison pipeline on the London Underground, the realities of temporary and permanent exclusion (including PRUs), and how co‑creating—and paying—young contributors changed the film and the organization behind it.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/sarah-wishart-excluded-a-young-people-led-film-on-school-exclusions/

Wyatt Oroke (often “Mr. O”) is a nationally recognized Baltimore educator known for his work in social justice and literacy. He teaches 7th–8th grade English and Honors English at City Springs Elementary/Middle School in Baltimore City. Honors include 2020 Baltimore City Teacher of the Year and 2021 Maryland Teacher of the Year, with additional recognition from Johns Hopkins, the University of Baltimore School of Law, the Maryland State Senate, the Baltimore Orioles, and a “Superhero Award” from Ellen DeGeneres, where he appeared twice. Instagram: @wyattoroke; he’s on Twitter but rarely posts; DMs are the best way to request his email.In this conversation, Wyatt Oroke makes the case that high expectations are an equity issue: every student (“scholar,” in his classroom) deserves access to grade‑level content with the right supports. He shares how an honors‑level curriculum and a student‑led (90/10) classroom helped his scholars rise academically, engage with real‑world issues like restorative practices, and advocate directly to city leaders. Grounded in his own story as a once‑struggling reader, Oroke challenges deficit language (e.g., “learning loss”), pushes for curriculum that centers students’ identities and voices, and calls for schools to become true community hubs. He doesn’t mince words about systemic inequities—his stance is to “blow it up and start again”—while offering practical steps educators can take right now: listen first, design for access to grade‑level work, and give students the mic.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/wyatt-oroke-having-high-expectations-for-all-students/

Melissa McCullough is the Director of Early Childhood for the East Moline school district in Illinois, a pre‑K–8 district of about 2,700 students with roughly 200 children in its early childhood program. She started her career as a school social worker in an inclusion‑first district, brings that mindset to her current role, and is also a parent of three boys who are hard of hearing—experience that fuels her advocacy for inclusive preschool. Tim Villegas talks with Melissa McCullough about what fully inclusive preschool looks like—and how her district moved away from “all‑or‑nothing” special education toward blended classrooms where related services are pushed in, teachers are dually certified, and supports are built around least restrictive environment from day one. A key milestone: the program began the 2021–22 school year with zero students in self‑contained placements. The conversation covers mindset shifts, partnering with families, strategic professional development, and using data and funding drivers (like Indicator 6 in Illinois) to sustain change.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/melissa-mccullough-what-inclusive-preschool-services-look-like/

Eddie Fergus is an associate professor of urban education and policy at Temple University. A former high school teacher, program evaluator, and community school program director, his research focuses on the intersection of education policy and outcomes, with specific attention to Black and Latino boys, disproportionality in special education, suspensions, school climate, and access to advanced courses.In this conversation, Eddie Fergus breaks down what “disproportionality” means in schools—when a student group is over‑ or under‑represented in programs like special education relative to their share of enrollment—and why it persists. He explains how practitioner mindsets (“shopping carts” of lived experience) and systemic design choices (e.g., wait‑to‑fail models) interact to produce inequitable outcomes. The discussion touches on Response to Intervention (RTI) and multi‑tiered supports, restorative practices as repair rather than punishment, and why the biggest barrier to inclusion may be the belief that only certain adults can teach students with disabilities.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/eddie-fergus-disproportionality-in-special-education/

Megan Gross — Special education teacher (14 years) and teacher on special assignment supporting inclusive practices and leading professional learning for K–12 teams in the Poway Unified school district. 2017 California Teacher of the Year and co‑author of The Inclusion Toolbox (with Dr. Jenny Kurth) and ParaEducate (with Renay Marquez).Nancy Brundrett — Special education instructional assistant (19 years) and the district’s first classified on special assignment, providing job‑embedded coaching for instructional assistants, supporting school teams to implement inclusive practices, and leading professional learning.In this episode, host Tim Villegas talks with Megan Gross and Nancy Brundrett about how Poway Unified school district shifted from celebrated segregated programs to a system where all students are general education students first. They walk through the leadership moves, the opt‑in pilot approach, the creation of on‑special‑assignment roles, and the day‑to‑day coaching that make inclusion work in real classrooms.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/bonus-megan-gross-and-nancy-brundrett-what-inclusive-education-looks-like-at-poway-unified/

Dr. Jennifer (“Jenny”) Kurth is an associate professor of special education at the University of Kansas. Her work centers on inclusive education for students with extensive and pervasive support needs, and she co-developed practical “participation plans” that general and special educators build together to support students in general education classes. Jenny Kurth makes the case that inclusive education is a social‑justice issue because the “wealth, opportunity, and privilege” in schools live in general education—not in separate settings. She walks through how participation plans work (ecological assessment, general + individualized supports, embedded instruction, and prioritizing a few big learning goals) so students with complex support needs learn with their peers. Jenny also pushes the field to move beyond labels and placement continuums—toward “specialized supports” that follow the student—and reminds educators to use the power they already have to advocate, collaborate, and “find another way.”Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jenny-kurth-implementing-inclusive-education-with-participation-plans/

Alfie Kohn — Author and speaker on human behavior, education, and parenting; writer of 14 books and hundreds of articles; lectures at education conferences, universities, parent groups, and corporations. Known for Punished by Rewards and widely cited work challenging rewards, punishments, and behaviorist approaches in schools.In this episode, Alfie Kohn argues that rewards (“positive reinforcement”) and punishments are two sides of the same coin—tools for short‑term compliance that erode curiosity, relationships, and intrinsic motivation. He critiques PBIS and behaviorist frameworks for centering control and compliance, and offers a “working‑with” alternative grounded in student interests, democratic class meetings, and co‑created curriculum. The episode also touches on inclusion, ungrading, and practical ways educators can reduce harm while pushing for structural change.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/alfie-kohn-does-behaviorism-belong-in-the-classroom/

Katie Novak is an internationally renowned education consultant, practicing education leader, and graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education. She designs and presents workshops on Universal Design for Learning (UDL), MTSS, inclusive practices, and more. She’s the author of several books, including UDL Now, Innovate Inside the Box, Equity by Design (with Mirko Chardin), and Unlearning (with Allison Posey). She previously served six years as an assistant superintendent and now facilitates professional learning while leading through her site, novakeducation.com. In this conversation, Katie Novak unpacks what UDL really means and why it’s not just “differentiation by another name.” She argues that when we design from the start for learner variability—academic, linguistic, cultural, and emotional—students with the widest range of support needs can access grade‑level goals without lowering expectations. Katie also addresses standardized testing pressures, urging educators to focus on impact over intent and to create accessible, trauma‑informed, and culturally sustaining classrooms—then let students face the (often imperfect) tests. She explains the principle of “supplement, not supplant,” the centrality of least restrictive environment (general education first), and why inclusive placement plus flexible pathways is essential for real equity. Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/katie-novak-common-misconceptions-about-udl/

Solo episode featuring Tim Villegas — host of Think Inclusive and Director of Communications at MCIE. In this episode, Tim shares his journey from teaching in self-contained (“segregated”) classrooms to advocating for inclusive education system-wide, including a later district-level role and his current work helping schools move toward inclusion.In “Why I Call Myself an Inclusionist,” Tim Villegas reframes the term inclusionist—not as “get rid of special education,” but as a commitment to the careful planning, collaboration, and systems change required to make inclusive education work. He traces his path from skepticism to advocacy through student-centered successes (like Nathan and Damien), argues that IDEA’s Least Restrictive Environment is the legal starting point, and contends the biggest barrier isn’t teachers or funding but administrator belief and leadership. He closes with a concrete litmus test for placement decisions: What about these supports can’t be provided in a general education classroom?Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/why-i-call-myself-an-inclusionist/

Paula Kluth — Author/speaker known for Don’t We Already Do Inclusion?; talks about “inclusion with a big I” and why real inclusion means educating students together with smart personalization.Dan Habib — Filmmaker (Who Cares About Kelsey?); explains why effective inclusion hinges on strong leadership, a safe school climate, and tiered supports (PBIS).Julie Causton — Researcher/teacher educator; shares findings from “Schools of Promise,” where eliminating segregated programs and building staff capacity led to academic gains for students with and without disabilities.Nicole Eredics — Classroom teacher/podcaster; breaks down a simple, high‑leverage practice: bring families in early and keep the communication going all year.Scott — General education PE teacher; reflects on adapting activities, learning with support staff, and how peers benefit as much as (and sometimes more than) the students receiving supports.This bonus “best of” pulls together five moments that have shaped how we talk about inclusion on Think Inclusive: defining what it really means to be an “inclusionist,” why leadership and school culture matter more than money, how whole‑school redesign boosts learning for all kids, the power of starting strong with families, and what inclusion looks like in everyday classes like PE.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/the-best-of-think-inclusive-volume-1/

Shelley Moore — Vancouver, BC–based inclusive education consultant, teacher, researcher, speaker, and storyteller. She’s the author of One Without the Other, a follow‑up to her TEDx talk “Under the Table,” and the creator/host of the Five Moore Minutes video series and companion podcast. Shelley works with school districts and community organizations across Canada and the United States.In this episode of Think Incluive, Tim Villegas talks with Shelley Moore about her path into special education and why inclusion matters. Shelley explains her Plan A / Plan B framing (every student belongs with their grade‑level peers as “Plan A,” with supports and temporary breaks as needed—but with a clear path back), contrasts BC/Canada’s less‑standardized approach with U.S. systems, and unpacks her now‑famous baked potato metaphor for strategic planning that keeps rigor high while widening access.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/shelley-moore-what-is-all-the-fuss-about-baked-potatoes/

Jennifer Spencer‑Iiams — Assistant Superintendent for the West Linn–Wilsonville School District (Greater Portland, OR). She co‑authored Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools with Josh Flosi, and led districtwide transformation toward inclusive practices. In this episode, Jennifer Spencer‑Iiams shares how her district shifted from segregated models to inclusive schools by focusing on better instruction for all learners, cultivating inclusive culture, and elevating student voice. She walks through concrete goals (neighborhood schools, co‑curricular participation, student‑led IEPs), the systems that kept momentum (weekly “Monday message,” measurable data), and stories—from a graduate’s “once they let me out” reflection to a stadium redesign—that show what real inclusion looks like.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jennifer-spencer-iiams-leading-for-all-how-to-create-truly-inclusive-and-excellent-schools/

In this final episode of Season 7, host Tim Villegas explores the challenges and strategies surrounding the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) in special education. Amy Langerman shares her personal and professional experiences advocating for inclusive placements, highlighting stark differences between Arizona and California’s approaches. She discusses how systemic barriers and lack of support often push families toward private education, and how legal action can sometimes be the only path to inclusion.Later, Amanda Selogie and Vickie Brett join the conversation to break down how IEP teams often mishandle placement discussions. They emphasize the importance of starting with general education as the default and encourage families to ask critical questions about existing inclusion practices. Their insights offer practical strategies for parents advocating for their children, even later in their educational journey.This episode is a powerful call to action for educators, families, and advocates to push for meaningful inclusion and challenge outdated assumptions about disability and education.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/amy-langerman-amanda-selogie-vickie-brett-lre/

In this episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, host Tim Villegas speaks with Carol Quirk, an advocate for inclusive education and CEO of the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education. This meaningful discussion reveals the intricacies involved in promoting inclusive education for children with disabilities across the country. Tim and Carol delve deeply into the practices that bring educators, parents, and disability rights advocates together to create a more inclusive environment for all students.Carol explains the role of the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education in transforming school districts from exclusive to inclusive systems. The podcast highlights how school districts can systematically change their approach to educating students with disabilities by focusing on the entire school environment, rather than treating special education as an isolated endeavor. Carol makes a compelling case for the involvement of superintendents and other district-level leaders in propagating these inclusive practices. She addresses common misconceptions regarding the cost of inclusion and shares insights about overcoming barriers at the administrative and educational levels to ensure long-term sustainability.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/carol-quirk-systems-change-and-inclusive-education/

In this episode of the Think Inclusive podcast, Tim Villegas dives into the vital topic of inclusive education, underscoring its importance for all students, regardless of disability. Through a comprehensive discussion with Juanita Pritchard, an expert in intellectual disabilities, this episode unravels the intricacies of inclusion within the educational system. Tim shares his personal journey from skepticism to advocacy for inclusion, ignited by a powerful classroom experience that taught him the unbounded potentials of inclusive education. This episode illuminates why inclusion isn't just about integration but about crafting learning environments that respect and leverage every student's potential.The conversation expands to cover pragmatic strategies and challenges around fostering inclusive classrooms, with a special focus on modifying curriculum for intellectual disabilities. Juanita reflects on her extensive experience, emphasizing the need for adaptive teaching methods and collaboration among educators. This episode provides educators, parents, and advocates with actionable insights on how to ensure inclusion is meaningful and effective. Keywords such as inclusive education, modifying curriculum, and intellectual disabilities weave through the discussion, promising valuable strategies and advice for those eager to push the boundaries of educational accessibility and equality.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/including-students-with-intellectual-disabilities-in-general-education/

The Think Inclusive Podcast, hosted by Tim Villegas, dives into the pressing challenges faced by educators when teaching in inclusive classrooms. In this episode, education journalists Jackie Mader and Christina Samuels offer their unique perspectives on the preparedness of general education teachers to support students with disabilities. Through recounting field studies and personal experiences, Jackie Mader highlights how some teacher preparation programs strive for better inclusivity and the ongoing obstacles they confront.This episode sheds light on the ongoing national shortfall of special education teachers, as discussed by Christina Samuels. She explores the reasons behind the persistent shortage and potential solutions, including the role of co-teaching and more inclusive training for general educators. Their discussions highlight educators’ struggles, legal obligations, pedagogical challenges, and a crucial need to elevate expectations and practices in inclusive education.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/christina-samuels-jackie-mader-unprepared-teachers-and-the-special-educator-shortage/

In this thought-provoking episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, host Tim Villegas delves deep into the complexities of inclusion, especially for LGBTQ individuals and those with disabilities, within the context of Christian educational institutions. The conversation begins with a look at Azusa Pacific University's fluctuating policies regarding same-sex relationships, highlighting the challenges and isolation faced by LGBTQ students. Erin Green of Brave Commons elaborates on these struggles, emphasizing the profound emotional and psychological impact of non-affirming environments.The narrative transitions to a compelling dialogue with Mike McHargue, who shares his journey of being diagnosed with autism as an adult. He reflects on how this late diagnosis has shaped his understanding of his own behaviors and the broader societal implications of inclusion. Mike’s discussion touches on his early experiences in special education, the significant barriers he faced, and how the integration of technology, such as typing tools, was a game-changer for him. The episode wraps up with a hopeful vision for a future where all individuals—regardless of gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability—are fully included and accommodated in society.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mike-mchargue-erin-green-same-sex-relationships-autism-inclusion/

In this eye-opening episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, host Tim Villegas discusses the transformative power of inclusive education for students with disabilities. Through an in-depth look at a King 5 News investigation titled Back of the Class, the episode emphasizes the positive impact of integrating students like Sam, who has Down syndrome, into general education classrooms. The story illustrates how inclusion fosters social interaction, boosts confidence, and enhances academic skills, changing not only the lives of the students but also benefiting their peers.Dr. Julie Causton, a stalwart advocate for inclusive education, shares practical strategies for parents and educators to ensure that children with disabilities are educated alongside their peers in general education settings. Highlighting the legal rights, the importance of a clear vision, and effective collaboration with school teams, Julie provides a roadmap for families navigating the challenging terrain of special education. This episode is packed with actionable insights and inspirational stories, underscoring the importance of inclusive schooling.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/julie-causton-inclusive-schooling/

Join Tim Villegas as he takes you on an immersive tour of Chime Charter School in Woodland Hills, California, where inclusive education isn’t just a goal—it's a reality. With insightful commentary from Dr. Erin Studer, the principal of Chime, and Amy Hanreddy, a seasoned professor at California State University Northridge, this episode dives deep into the mechanisms that make inclusive education work.Dr. Studer highlights Chime's commitment to Universal Design for Learning (UDL), flexible grouping, and differentiation, which ensure that all students, regardless of their abilities, can participate and learn effectively. Tim explores how co-teaching and co-planning are vital to the school's inclusive model, driving home the idea that true inclusion cannot be achieved without these collaborative practices.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/erin-studer-chime-institute/

In this eye-opening episode of The Think Inclusive Podcast, Tim Villegas discusses the ongoing challenges and progress in inclusive education with Lou Brown, a formidable advocate for disability rights and inclusion and co-found of TASH. Tim highlights a personal experience that encapsulates society's resistance to inclusive education, emphasizing the urgent need for a paradigm shift in how educational systems treat students with disabilities. The discussion with Lou Brown dives deep into the historical context, from the institutionalization era to the fight for these students' rights to an inclusive education. The episode elaborates on various systemic barriers, emphasizing the persistent segregation and homogeneous grouping of students with disabilities. Lou shares his vision and strategies for genuine inclusion, emphasizing the necessity of increasing environments where people with disabilities can function and the critical need for heterogeneous groupings in educational settings. This profound conversation sheds light on the crucial changes necessary to foster a truly inclusive educational system.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/lou-brown-progress/

In this episode of the Think Inclusive Podcast, hosted by Tim Villegas, we delve into the exciting intersection of inclusivity and culinary creativity. Tim sits down with Marci Heit, the visionary founder of QD Foodie, to explore how her innovative kitchen tools are transforming the cooking experience for people with diverse abilities. Raised with a passion for cooking and inspired by her interactions with the disability community, Marci unravels the story behind QD Foodie and its mission to ensure that everyone can participate in the joy of food preparation.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/marci-heit-qd-foodie/

In this engaging episode of The Think Inclusive Podcast, host Tim Villegas sits down with Renay Marquez, co-founder of ParaEducate. They delve into Renay's journey, the inception of ParaEducate, and how the organization supports paraeducators with tools and strategies for fostering inclusive classrooms. From discussing her role and experience in a mostly inclusive district to sharing practical resources and tips, Renay provides valuable insights into the world of educational support for students with disabilities.Throughout the episode, Renay shares the foundational elements of their work at ParaEducate, including how they started, the importance of thoughtful modifications, and their collaboration with both general and special education teachers. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the nuanced approach required for successful inclusion in schools, along with practical suggestions for making educational environments more inclusive and supportive for all students.Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/renay-marquez-paraeducate/