The Fourth Way

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=Ya1bjzM6SfmJQHS5yDZykgKingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotPropaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19g4cyPSG3flnXb8sgECjTKOpJNI8c5zK69uqAi2Qv9s/edit?usp=sharingHOW HUMANS THINK, BLINDSPOTS, PSYCHOLOGICAL INFLUENCESThe Case Against RealityIrrationalityThe Intelligence TrapThe Delusion of CrowdsThe Craving MindThe Forgetting MachineDelusion of CrowdsHOW PROPAGANDA FUNCTIONSHow Propaganda WorksTechnological Society / PropagandaHow Propaganda Became Public RelationsTaking the Risk Out of DemocracyManufacturing ConsentPolitics in the English LanguageAmusing Ourselves to Death (Huxley vs. Orwell)Grice’s Cooperative Theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj5w216eNIQPROPAGANDA HISTORY AND IMPLEMENTATIONManipulating the MassesMein KampfPolitics and the English LanguageTaking the Risk out of DemocracyTHE PROPAGANDIZED AND HOW THEY GOT THEREThey Thought They Were FreeOrdinary MenDefying HitlerFICTION AND ARTISTIC ENVISIONING/ THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS1984Brave New WorldBook of EliCHRISTIANITY AND POWERWay of the Dragon or the way of the lambCelebrities for JesusTO READRoman PropagandaMore books on propaganda outside the West EXTENSIONSWords Matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7VnKMZew4&feature=youtu.be Narrowcasting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmFH4KlLcI&feature=youtu.be Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=Ya1bjzM6SfmJQHS5yDZykgKingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotPropaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12WdK8U3fhL9YA0KArD-Uiav-98QWs_2wSlHMuKXFLc0/edit?usp=sharing Niebuhr's King's Chapel and King's Court: https://www.religion-online.org/article/the-kings-chapel-and-the-kings-court/ Radio Free Dixie: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/448669.Radio_Free_Dixie?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=jZCUxLKhWm&rank=1 Negroes with Guns: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/591966.Negroes_with_Guns?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=CXxIYUYSDN&rank=1Phil Vischer Evangelicals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiRnO7UTTkFitzgerald's The Evangelicals: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30753872-the-evangelicals?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=9Tjbf0yWMJ&rank=2Kruse's One Nation Under God: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22928900-one-nation-under-god Book of Eli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSMHmtaoXtIGraeber's Dawn of Everything: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4HHDmjxHnh&rank=3Bible Project on Revelation: https://bibleproject.com/explore/video/revelation-1-11/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=Ya1bjzM6SfmJQHS5yDZykgKingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotPropaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWKc8y95gTZC1S72ogygCWT9HrqDFlmVh1a8bdiufOs/edit?usp=sharing Skeptoid episode on pareidolia: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4105 Pareidolia recordings: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/sine-wave-speech/ Secret Soldiers: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1116443.Secret_Soldiers?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=4tOT911hzR&rank=17Ameriquest's Don't Judge too Quickly Commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PHqoH1sLE Visual Pareidolia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1xMB50kFsU Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=Ya1bjzM6SfmJQHS5yDZykgKingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotPropaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iDhe757_11Ou_zTi877pHD5IG--nzMpEtQseWzIKM1c/edit?usp=sharingEllul's Propaganda: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274826.Propaganda?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=sYcvbBpJas&rank=4 Ellul's The Technological Society: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274827.The_Technological_Society?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=9GuR2pCBkB&rank=1 How Propaganda Works: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23528852-how-propaganda-works?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=SdsoZRmEfP&rank=1Bernays: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/493212.Propaganda?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=nLKZvnmF43&rank=1Freedom convoy's economic losses: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/freedom-convoy-disruptions-cost-auto-industry-millions-rcna16318 Thomas Kuhn: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61539.The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=8gWeU2O6xi&rank=1 Havel's Power of the Powerless: https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/wp-content/uploads/1979/01/the-power-of-the-powerless.pdfKruse's White Flight: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/345070.White_Flight?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=oMZgfb4CoR&rank=1Willie Horton Commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJ97qWHOxo 0:00 - Introduction3:00 - What is Propaganda?21:30 - Why are people susceptible to propaganda?33:00 - Who does propaganda influence?38:30 How is propaganda implemented?59:00 - How does propaganda elude detection?1:04:00 Mithridatism and Sensitization Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=Ya1bjzM6SfmJQHS5yDZykgKingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotPropaganda Season Outline: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xa4MhYMAg2Ohc5Nvya4g9MHxXWlxo6haT2Nj8Hlws8M/edit?usp=sharing Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4VSvC0SJYwku2U0awRaNAu?si=3ad0b2fbed2e4864Episode Outline/Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-k2mzPt4YuaKPi4S7AygoUu-lZqhDALYwL9TcSB3ndI/edit?usp=sharing The Dawn of Everything: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=a3hLgucKZZ&rank=1 Ellul's Propaganda: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274826.Propaganda?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=sYcvbBpJas&rank=4Ellul's The Technological Society: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/274827.The_Technological_Society?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=9GuR2pCBkB&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueMatthew (Brazos Theological Commentary on the Bible): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/145074.Matthew Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueStruggles for Shalom (Chapter 10): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22102242-struggles-for-shalom Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/2022/11/06/peace-in-the-new-testament/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueA Covenant of Peace: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/118928.Covenant_of_PeaceSend Forth Your Light: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2726483-send-forth-your-light Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Blog Version: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/2022/11/01/shalom-the-hebrew-scriptures/Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7405655-crallsMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueAl Mohler's Interview: https://albertmohler.com/2021/04/28/james-olsonFair Play: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/176691.Fair_Play?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=H2HqctGyh2&rank=1 Lying Episode: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/finished-augustine-and-lying Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

3:20 Intro to Christian Anarchism, nonviolence, and their connection7:30 Christian Anarchism's freeing from moral consequentialism 9:30 Why use the term Anarchism? Is voluntaryist a better term?12:45 Is the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina a good picture of what an anarchist society would look like?16:45 What do you consider the strongest argument against Anarchism that makes you think twice? 19:00 Why pursue Anarchism rather than reform?21:00 Would you vote for Ron Paul?23:00 If all Christians left politics, wouldn't that have a negative impact?25:30 How do you hold such a negative view on government and human tainting of power while not becoming a conspiracy theorist or jettisoning truth? How do you discern truth?39:15 Recommended resources42:30 Importance of viewing Christian Anarchism as a cumulative caseA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueThe Bad Roman Project: https://www.thebadroman.com/Christian Anarchism: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7106065-christian-anarchism?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=VzWeZ76Fda&rank=1Chaos Theory: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/159697.Chaos_Theory?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=BPbaG4Ejgi&rank=4Early Christians in Their Own Words: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/409951.The_Early_Christians?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=QIppWjD33J&rank=1Godarchy: https://www.godarchy.org/Anarchochristian: https://www.anarchochristian.com/Jim Jeffries, China, and Facial Recognition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybUxINOe5ws Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueChristian Nonresistsance in All its Important Bearings: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1610861.Christian_Non_Resistance?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=llYG3Yi7am&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo on Benjamin Lay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3v9m6PY6cFearless Benjamin Lay: https://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Benjamin-Lay-Revolutionary-Abolitionist/dp/0807060984/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+fearless+benjamin+lay&qid=1605836939&sr=8-1All Slavekeepers Apostates: https://www.amazon.com/Slave-Keepers-That-Innocent-Bondage-Apostates-ebook/dp/B088Q5GH7P/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=all+slavekeepers+apostates&qid=1605836920&sr=8-1Wilberforce Prolonged Slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/aug/03/wilberforce-slavery-sierra-leoneNoll on the Civil War: https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Crisis-Steven-Janice-Lectures/dp/1469621819/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mark+noll+civil+war&qid=1605836883&sr=8-1John Woolman: https://metrovoicenews.com/john-woolman-the-conscientious-quaker-who-paved-the-way-for-abolition/Britain paid on debt to slave owners through 2015: https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Britains-Loan-toPay-Off-Slave-Owners-Not-Repaid-Until-2015-20180223-0016.html#:~:text=Her%20Majesty%27s%20Treasury%20recently%20revealed%20that%20British%20taxpayers,that%20were%20formerly%20part%20of%20the%20British%20empire.A little more background on Lay and the Colonies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALMgWNCXjIConceived in Liberty Volumes 1-4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1933550988/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_1XW48KH6KFJ1TFTDRVNPNonviolenceL 25 Lessons: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolence-Lessons-History-Dangerous-Chronicles/dp/0679643354/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolence+25&qid=1607126298&sr=8-1Waging Nonviolence: https://wagingnonviolence.org/ New Tactics: https://www.newtactics.org/Victories Without Violence: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.63305Nonviolent Action: https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Action-Christian-Demands-Christians/dp/1587433664/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nonviolent+action&qid=1603136228&sr=8-1 Is There No Other Way: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1Why Civil Resistance Works: https://www.amazon.com/There-No-Other-Way-Nonviolent/dp/1893163164/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Is+There+No+Other+Way&qid=1603136269&sr=8-1Walter Wink: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Walter+Wink&ref=nb_sb_nossErica Chenoweth TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSehRlU34w&feature=emb_logo Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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0:00 intro8:25 Joash intro10:55 how to define justice17:50 how to do justice Jesus's way25:30 how IJM works with the state31:15 position on nonviolence35:10 how handle government corruption41:30 how would you not include the state in sex trafficking44:00 does a top down approach just mask the evil53:30 court vs. wilderness prophets58:00 how do you work through the lesser of two evils complicity1:02:50 temptation to wield power1:06:20 west distracted by personal inconveniencesA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueInternational Justice Mission: https://www.ijm.org/Video Interview: https://kingdomoutpost.org/justice-in-the-kingdom-nonviolence-the-state-and-human-trafficking-off-script-with-joash-thomas/Drug legislation doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlse-4pNCwQCatechisms and Killing Episode: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/draft-catechisms-and-killing Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueEconomic pornography article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/economic-pornography-and-pet-sinsPeople to Be Loved: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27427679-people-to-be-loved?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=A79EvmNYp1&rank=Social Justice articles: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/category/social-justice Embezzlement: The Corporate Sin of Contemporary Christianity: https://relationaltithe.com/featured-resources/embezzlement-the-corporate-sin-of-contemporary-christianity/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00:00 Introduction0:07:30 War and violence inherent to government0:10:10 True free market vs. government meddling0:24:00 Why do libertarians want government if they acknowledge that they just screw things up?0:31:40 Why do libertarians want a free economic market, but not a free market of governments (like HOA's?)0:34:00 Government is inherently destructive through fiscal policy (taxation and inflation)0:53:00 Why capitalism is often misconstrued as greedy and wasteful1:13:45 How would privatization of the market actually work? 1:29:30 Why are you a libertarian and not an anarchist?1:46:00 Response to episode on the positives of communism1:57:00 Discuss Atlas shrugged and greed vs. self-interest2:05:10 ClosingA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueMichael Crichton Transcript: https://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?id=111Michael Crichton Video: https://www.independent.org/multimedia/detail.asp?id=1350Atlas shrugged: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/662.Atlas_Shrugged?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=3TNTSGnnbK&rank=1 The Creature from Jekyll Island: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/66499.The_Creature_from_Jekyll_Island?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_27The Law, by Bastiat: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1609224.The_Law?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=ChrBYB7gH8&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 Episode Preview17:00 Guest Intro and background1:02:00 - Introduce government and communism discussion1:23:00 - Rethinking communism1:35:00 - What about force, legislation, and redistribution?1:42:00 - Demerits of capitalism1:55:30 - What about the negative examples of what communism leads to?1:58:00 - Cuba2:00:30 - U.S. manipulation of socialist countries2:13:00 - Owner and consumer responsibilities2:19:30 - Communism and capitalism are both wielded in empire seeking endeavorsA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueTaylor's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newtranscendentalist/ The Radical King: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22125264-the-radical-king?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=GiFTlbW5Vt&rank=1 Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/76401.Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_16Negroes with Guns: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/591966.Negroes_with_Guns?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_17Radio Free Dixie: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/448669.Radio_Free_Dixie?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=Kph13p1JCh&rank=1 How Europe Underdeveloped Africa: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40630.How_Europe_Underdeveloped_Africa?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_25 Kleptopia: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45306313-kleptopia?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=naXJW9PJO6&rank=1Death in the Haymarket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/171634.Death_in_the_Haymarket?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=MqKatTHcDM&rank=1Vischer on Evangelicalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiRnO7UTTkFitzgerald on Evangelicalism: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30753872-the-evangelicals?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_23Richard Wolff's socialism for dummies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw&t=520s Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 - My Intro6:00 - Dr. Keown's Intro8:00 - Discipleship and Individualism12:25 - Why does the gospel seem difficult to share when there aren't consequences?17:10 - Do government and religion always marry?23:50 - Is government antithetical to the Kingdom?32:45 - Government and violence go together42:50 - How does submission under evil empire work?57:45 - Revelation, empire, and submission1:05:00 - Egalitarianism and submissionA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=truePaul's Vision of a New Masculinity: https://www.academia.edu/36607328/Pauls_Vision_of_a_New_Masculinity_Eph_5_21_6_9_World Upside Down: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9487035-world-upside-down?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_9Jesus in a World of Colliding Empire: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39948664-jesus-in-a-world-of-colliding-empires-volume-one?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=NSrodkCOUU&rank=1Kierkegaard's Attack Upon Christendom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34271805-kierkegaard-s-attack-upon-christendom-1854-1855?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4mRMOXc2Kh&rank=1The Kingship of Jesus in the Gospel of John: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45168636-the-kingship-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=SHWYw99JG6&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueWorld Upside Down: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9487035-world-upside-down?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_9Jesus in a World of Colliding Empire: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39948664-jesus-in-a-world-of-colliding-empires-volume-one?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=NSrodkCOUU&rank=1Kierkegaard's Attack Upon Christendom: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34271805-kierkegaard-s-attack-upon-christendom-1854-1855?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=4mRMOXc2Kh&rank=1The Kingship of Jesus in the Gospel of John: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45168636-the-kingship-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=SHWYw99JG6&rank=1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueArticle: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/political-rebirth-and-the-kingdom-of-godLetter to Diognetus: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0101.htmTerraform: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55276654-terraform?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=jjfEvfF7Xq&rank=2 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 - Preface2:30 - Cody's Introduction4:30 - Does a face value reading of the Bible give you a violent, statist God?12:45 - Can enemy love be grounded in the character of God if his standards for it have changed over time?23:00 - Is the Antenicene Church helpful in forming our beliefs, and if so, how do we choose what to accept and dismiss from them?30:45 - The Antenicene Church helps us embrace diversity, unity, and humility.34:00 - How do we deal with the fact that many Christian Anarchists dismiss or diminish the resurrection of Jesus?44:30 - How do we relate with other Christian groups who are more liberal, which many anarchist and nonviolent groups are?53:15 - The diversity of the anarchist communityA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLpi-OoaNCg&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=17Unhitched: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56564333-unhitched?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=mVJ3HGmeB5&rank=1Fight the Powers: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41034619-fight-the-powersA Second Adam: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25842702-a-second-adamWhat Belongs to Caesar: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60381489-what-belongs-to-caesar Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 - Intro3:00 - Aree's Intro11:00 - Inerrancy21:00 - Is God nonviolent by nature or by decree?39:50 - Eastern Orthodoxy and Sacralism53:00 - Is nonparticipation in government violence towards the oppressed?1:03:10 - CRT helps anarchismA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBDO1ZR05bI&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=15 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00:00 My Introduction0:4:00- Craig's Introduction0:11:20 - Why should we care about the early church?0:21:00 - What are some of the biggest differences between the Antenicene Church and the Post-Constantinian Church?0:28:00 - Did Constantine change the church overnight, or was he just watering the seeds latent in the church?0:38:10 - What is the Donatist Controversy and how does it inform our discussion of empire, orthodoxy, and ecumenicism?0:49:45 - Are the Donatists or the Post-Constantinians the true/best representation of the true church?0:56:15 - How do we know what orthodoxy is and what aspects of the faith handed down to us is the winners writing orthodoxy/history? 1:09:00 - What did disputes in the church look like prior to having access to the sword of the state?1:013:45 - How has the power of the sword influenced our world today? What might the world look like today if Christians didn't bear the sword? 1:24:20 - Closing thoughts: The church changed, but empire remained the same.A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8QdMGShJU&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=11Craig's Website: https://crucifiedpeace.wordpress.com/christianpacifists/Christian Attitudes to War, Peace, and Revolution: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4465311-christian-attitudes-to-war-peace-and-revolution?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_26Constantine Revisited: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18185002-constantine-revisited?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_22The Early Church on Killing: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13789120-the-early-church-on-killing?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_23 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview with Matthew Milioni: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Q8jXjSegE&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=8Voting as an Abdication of Responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBAs9jmanzsSpooner The Constitution of No Authority: https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/spooner-no-treason-no-vi-the-constitution-of-no-authority-1870Anatomy of a Hybrid: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1461694.The_Anatomy_Of_A_Hybrid?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=SbB0UDw1D0&rank=1George Carlin voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLvm16MKCpAElecting Not to Vote: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3402646-electing-not-to-vote?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=WUxsN9wXUl&rank=1Hauerwas voting coercive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOk78SSyKtMJust War Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xQaDDKY7kDial 911: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8994266-dial-911?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=uwBGNQRE7H&rank=7Romans 13 episode: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/c-g-romans-13-replay-12Romans 13 extension: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/c-g-romans-13-extension-i-pet-and-i-cor-6Spanking Episode Part I: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/97-means-and-ends-spankingTalking Into the Chasm: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-in-the-chasm/id1492844106Followers of the Way: https://www.followers-of-the-way.org/Dank Kingdom Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dank-kingdom-podcast/id15068533130:00:00 Intro0:04:00 Is abstention from government a shirking of our Christian duty to do good in the world? 0:16:00 Is it a false dichotomy to say we can't serve God AND government?0:26:20 The impracticality of governmental pursuit and coercion vs. example0:31:25 Voting as religion and the sacralism of the state0:39:50 Voting as a tool to appease and silent the masses and quell civil uprisings0:45:25 How government steals the credit and props itself up as savior in regard to societal good done by activists0:48:35 Government is idealistic, and Jesus is a better and more practical savior than government0:56:35 False dichotomy part 2: can't we serve God through government?1:00:20 Democracy and voting are inherently coercive and factional, so what about decision making in the church? 1:08:55 If the police and laws do good and provide order in a fallen world, how do we navigate issues like legitimate lawsuits for damages, calling the police for intruders, or reporting sexual abuse?1:24:15 Informing the state about crimes in their domain vs. petitioning the state to use their sword on my behalf1:30:00 How do I maintain a consistent application of noncoercion to other areas, like parenting and spanking?1:35:10 Isn't justifying spanking based on the benefit for my kids the same consequentialism Christians who vote use?1:39:00 What about Jesus ruling with a rod of iron, and Christians ruling in the age to come? That sounds like we're wielding government and sword.1:47:41 Christocentric vision as core 1:52:27 Matthew plugs his stuff1:53:54 Outro Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00:00 - Episode Intro0:05:00 - Jay Newman Intro0:15:30 - Complicity in the system0:19:00 - Is Christian Anarchism retreatist?0:30:30 - Consequentialism's willingness to compromise0:37:30 - Coercion as top down vs. Discipleship as bottom up0:44:00 - The Upside Down Kingdom as true power0:48:45 - Ellul, Anarchism, and Propaganda1:00:00 - Exiles in Babylon1:01:45 - Avoiding negative anarchy for positive anarchy and kingdom buildingA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ815n_kcQQ&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=16Robert Meeropol Interview: https://share.transistor.fm/s/b8142f61 Christian Nonresistance: In All Its Important Bearings: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1610861.Christian_Non_Resistance?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=TuZN24MbmY&rank=1Aiden Ballou quote from "Christian Nonresistance in All its Important Bearings:" As constituent supporters of human government, ( whether civil or military, or a compound of both -) in its state or national sovereignty, men are morally responsible for all constitutions, institutions, laws, processes, and usages, which they have pledged themselves to support, or which they avowedly approve, or which they depend upon as instrumentalities for securing and promoting their personal welfare, or in which they acquiesce without positive remonstrance and disfellowship. Thus if a political compact, a civil or military league, covenant, or constitution, requires, authorizes, provides for, or tolerates war, bloodshed, capital punishment, slavery, or any kind of absolute injury - offensive or defensive, the man who swears, affirms, or otherwise pledges himself to support such a compact, league, covenant, or constitution, is just as responsible for every act of injury done in strict conformity thereto, as if he himself personally committed it. He is not responsible for abuses and violations of the constitution.But for all that is constitutionally done he is responsible. The army is his army, the navy his navy, the militia his militia, the gallows his gallows, the -^ pillory his pillory, the whipping-post his whipping-post, the branding-iron his branding-iron, the prison to prison, the dungeon his dungeon, and the slaveholding his slaveholding. When the constitutional majority declare war, it is his war. All the slaughter, rapine, ravages, robbery, destruction, and mischief committed under that declaration, in accordance with the laws of war, are his. Nor can he exculpate himself by pleading that he was one of a strenuous anti-war minority in the government. He was in the government. He had sworn, affirmed, or otherwise pledged himself, that the majority should have discretionary power to declare war. He tied up his hands with that anti-Christian obligation, to stand by the majority in all the crimes and abominations inseparable from war. It is therefore his war, its murders are his murders, its horrible injuries on humanity are his injuries. " They are all committed with his solemn sanction. There is no escape from this terrible moral responsibility but by a conscientious withdrawal from such government, and an uncompromising protest against so much of its fundamental creed and constitutional law, as is decidedly anti-Christian. He must cease to be its pledged supporter and approving dependent. Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IN4L6JooZE&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=10Our Foundations Podcast: https://ourfoundations.podbean.com/Creature from Jekyll Island: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/66499.The_Creature_from_Jekyll_Island?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_18Christian Attitudes to War, Peace, and Revolution: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4465311-christian-attitudes-to-war-peace-and-revolution?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_26The Fourth Turning: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turning?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_140:00:00 - Introduction0:12:45 - Christians should seek idealism and perfection, despite its unattainability 0:18:00 - Why don't we teach pursuing the ideal in governing our world, but we teach pursuing the ideal in regard to things like adultery/lust and murder/hate?0:22:00 - Reverse incarnation as hope and hypocrisy as a lack of pursuing the ideal0:24:30 - how do you know which ideal to embrace when there are competing idealisms?0:29:40 - The practical nature of the Kingdom of God and his orderly universe0:40:40 - Cycle of individualism vs the cycle of institutionalism0:46:00 - Flipping the script: the idealism of the statists and just war adherents0:56:00 The practical nature of God's kingdom1:01:00 - The alternative of no government seems worse1:05:00 - The market as organization rather than state1:20:00 - Free markets incentivize non-discrimination1:31:45 - Cycles in human history1:38:00 - Outro and plugs Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXlUUEbD1ak&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=14John's website: https://antiwarwarvet.com/Lysander Spooner's "No Treason": https://www.scribd.com/book/426684842/The-Complete-Works-of-Lysander-Spooner-The-Unconstitutionality-of-Slavery-No-Treason-The-Constitution-of-No-Authority-Vices-are-Not-Crimes-Natura?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google_search&utm_campaign=3Q_Google_DSA_NB_RoW&utm_device=c&gclid=CjwKCAjwu_mSBhAYEiwA5BBmfyAeOQrLz1F1oT9Aza8SLWTGTM-SfHiyZxSx3YUYGB2dP5zsRPe63BoClx0QAvD_BwEDavid Grossman's "On Killing": https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932War and Moral Injury: https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Injury-Robert-Emmet-Meagher/dp/1498296785Achilles in Vietnam: https://www.amazon.com/Achilles-in-Vietnam-audiobook/dp/B07DR1DK7Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ZN6NYE4VSPSX&keywords=achilles+in+vietnam&qid=1650411772&s=books&sprefix=achilles+in+vietnam%2Cstripbooks%2C169&sr=1-1War is a Racket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=mhUu4ganRr&rank=10:00 - Introduction6:20 - Pacifism vs anti-war9:45 how our freedoms and security are hampered by protecting our freedom through military action20:30 - Diffusion of responsibility as cogs in a wheel that run the machinery26:30 - inalienable rights aren't inalienable, as we don't apply them to other groups31:45 - Smedley Butler34:15 - Is war a racket?41:20 - Taxes, contracts, and Lysander Spooner's "No Treason" 47:30 - Moral injury and the cost of state violence Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wPu_Re6Y8&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=3&t=844sCaesar and the Lamb: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16237822-caesar-and-the-lamb?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=PRc1uFbXGi&rank=1Air Force Chapel: https://www.usafa.edu/facilities/cadet-chapel/Anabaptist Perspective Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyqfc43wM9UWhen Helping Hurts: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6595233-when-helping-hurts?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_18The Locus Effect: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17656566-the-locust-effect?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_16Followers of the Way [FOTW]: https://www.facebook.com/FollowersoftheWayBostonFOTW It's Just War Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xQaDDKY7kFOTW Christianity and Voting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zitBjs1Y1r8King Jesus Claims His Church: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18470201-king-jesus-claims-his-church?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_28Fair Play: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/176691.Fair_Play?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=EOle79pVaf&rank=1To Change the World: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7846894-to-change-the-world?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_26Sattler College: https://www.sattlercollege.org/My episode on Christians and Lying: https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/finished-augustine-and-lying Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 - Introduction7:45 - Incoherence of Current Moral Theories8:20 - Virtue Ethics & Arbitrariness9:25 - Consequentialism & Arbitrariness10:15 - Deontological & Arbitrariness12:45 - Virtue Ethics & Egoism19:20 - Deontology & Egoism21:30 - Consequentialism & Egoism26:05 - How does the resurrection fix arbitrariness and egoism?27:40 - Purpose and existence in creation30:40 - Separation from purpose and existence33:45 - What the resurrection gets us - theosis40:40 - Existence and pure nature are required for purpose and morality46:20 - Privation theory of evil51:20 - Isn't hope in resurrection a self-centered hope?1:00:05 - Resurrection prevents the sacrifice of other1:10:15 - Means are concomitant with their ends1:11:50 - Conclusion1:14:15 - Implications on Christian Anarchism and OtheringA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1tsRIJQCw&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=12Necessity of the Resurrection Article: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/a-morality-of-beingChristian Anarchism: A Political Commentary on the Gospel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7106065-christian-anarchism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Fiu9MyYhqw&rank=1How Did Sin Originate in a Perfect World? discuss essences and adjoining to God through theosis: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/how-did-sin-originate-in-a-perfect-world(96) S6E4 Means and Ends: Purposing: rooting purpose rather than creating it, and how purpose is relationalhttps://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/means-and-ends-purposingHitchens vs. Hitchens Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlskhOlYBY Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

0:00 - My Introduction and Preface17:00 - Participant Introductions20:30 - How did the book come about?26:40 - Christian Anarchism connected to Liberation Theology30:40 - Parties cherry-pick critiques of the state36:30 - Post-anarchism39:30 - How can CA contribute to modern Christian politics44:40 - General and specific loves of groups51:50 - Othering, domination, and hierarchy58:00 - Anarchy and compulsory vaccinations1:05:15 - Resource recommendationsA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1tsRIJQCw&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=12Christian Anarchism: A Political Commentary on the Gospel: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7106065-christian-anarchism?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Fiu9MyYhqw&rank=1How Did Sin Originate in a Perfect World? discuss essences and adjoining to God through theosis: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/how-did-sin-originate-in-a-perfect-world(96) S6E4 Means and Ends: Purposing: rooting purpose rather than creating it, and how purpose is relationalhttps://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/means-and-ends-purposingHitchens vs. Hitchens Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlskhOlYBY Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueVideo Interview with Abby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyZtSxbk1jQ&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=6&t=686s Adin Ballou: https://archive.org/details/christiannonres00ballgoogAbby Cleckner Podcast/Article: https://www.thebadroman.com/show-notes/episode-49 Milgram Experiment: https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html "Ordinary Men": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/647492.Ordinary_Men?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=aRJ3vzYP9K&rank=1"They Thought They Were Free": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/978689.They_Thought_They_Were_Free?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=wkBRNkaOz3&rank=1"Defying Hitler": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler The Bad Roman Project: https://www.thebadroman.com/ Stanford Prison Experiment: https://www.prisonexp.org/ "I Got a Monster": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51171365-i-got-a-monster?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=GES4IA1axW&rank=1Hauerwas and the church as politics: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/unsystematictheology/2016/10/hauerwas-on-the-political-task-of-the-church-in-america/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueChina Partnership's translation: https://www.chinapartnership.org/blog/2018/12/my-declaration-of-faithful-disobedienceHannah Nation's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hannahfsnation/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true"Generous Justice": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8414177-generous-justice?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=EirtdWLhk5&rank=1"Way of the Dragon or Way of the Lamb": https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55918687-the-way-of-the-dragon-or-the-way-of-the-lamb?ref=nav_sb_noss_l_17Solzhenitsyn: https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-liesHavel: https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/the-power-of-the-powerless-vaclav-havel-2011-12-23 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueMoral Chemistry: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/moral-chemistry "Fight Like Jesus" has a great discussion on taxation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58667575-fight-like-jesus?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=hqJjnW3u05&rank=1 Anarchochristian: https://www.anarchochristian.com/tag/taxation/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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Pre-Episode Introduction0:00:00 - Introduction and Robert's story0:04:20 - Manichean nature of propaganda0:08:20 - Government destroys culture, not just resistance0:10:15 - Timing of this episodeInterview with Robert0:13:45 - Propaganda in the case of Robert's parents0:19:15 - Role of fear and othering in propaganda0:27:25 - Why was it important for propaganda that the kids of the Rosenbergs were targeted as threats?0:38:25 - Propaganda in the media as a sedative that gets people to work within the system rather than buck it0:51:50 - How can we know truth in a world saturated by propaganda?1:00:30 - Why can't the government bring itself to admit they're wrong?1:11:45 - Why do we need activists today if we solved discrimination with Civil Rights?1:21:50 - Resource recommendations and plugsA huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Questions and Notes for the Episode: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXPgp06Xp5Hc-IlB3x81Fwi6ZCCHL4uu2Xs8Wu1rKJs/edit?usp=sharingYouTube version of our interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbzPXxJ2PToPRE-RELEASE EPISODE 1 INTRODUCTION: https://share.transistor.fm/s/4fec1099PRE-RELEASE EPISODE 2 HOW PROPAGANDA FUNCTIONS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/7f9c0a8cPRE-RELEASE EPISODE 3 THE FALSE PROPHET OF PROPAGANDA: https://share.transistor.fm/s/89025034An Execution in the Family (Robert's Book): https://www.amazon.com/Execution-Family-One-Sons-Journey-ebook/dp/B003J5UJJK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=252RAVF2FZJCL&keywords=an+execution+in+the+family&qid=1650622614&s=digital-text&sprefix=an+execution+in+the+family%2Cdigital-text%2C193&sr=1-1 Executing the Rosenbergs: https://www.amazon.com/Executing-Rosenbergs-Death-Diplomacy-World-ebook/dp/B015P7A066/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1IUJQLH31QLL9&keywords=executing+the+rosenbergs&qid=1650622585&s=digital-text&sprefix=executing+the+rosenberg%2Cdigital-text%2C190&sr=1-1 Rosenberg Fund for Children: https://www.rfc.org/Ellul's "Propaganda": https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Formation-Mens-Attitudes/dp/B08YJ3V7F4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GGCP6WP3WUXW&keywords=ellul+propaganda&qid=1650622694&sprefix=ellul+propagand%2Caps%2C198&sr=8-1Chomskey on Propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suFzznCHjkoThe Radical King (on King and Communism): https://www.amazon.com/The-Radical-King-audiobook/dp/B0799ZNCQQ/ref=sr_1_39?crid=1FHIRH7P45O7X&keywords=martin+luther+king&qid=1650620746&sprefix=martin+luther+kin%2Caps%2C201&sr=8-39"Strange Fruit" sung by Billie Holiday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Web007rzSOIRobert Williams and Radio Free Dixie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_DixieNegroes with Guns by Robert Williams: https://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1773230522Slavery into the 1940's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotASlavery into Modernity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OXbJHsKB3ITerror Factory: https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Factory-Inside-Manufactured-Terrorism/dp/1632460653/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1RHU33LH9VVFD&keywords=terror+factory&qid=1650622428&s=books&sprefix=terror+factory%2Cstripbooks%2C211&sr=1-1Nixon's War at Home: https://www.amazon.com/Nixons-War-Home-Guerrillas-Counterterrorism/dp/B09HVC31CS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DHD4VELWJKKK&keywords=nixon%27s+war+at+home&qid=1650622483&s=books&sprefix=nixon%27s+war+at+ho%2Cstripbooks%2C194&sr=1-1Not a Nation of Immigrants: https://www.amazon.com/Not-Nation-Immigrants-Colonialism-Supremacy-ebook/dp/B08K7QKCCK/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1650622505&sr=1-1Yippie Girl: https://www.amazon.com/Yippie-Girl-Exploits-Protest-Defeating-ebook/dp/B09MS4YS68/ref=sr_1_1?crid=276EC2B44V265&keywords=yippie+girl&qid=1650622525&s=digital-text&sprefix=yippie+girl%2Cdigital-text%2C190&sr=1-1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueAnarchochristian "Anarchy in Pennsylvania": https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/anarchy-in-pennsylvania/id1339744391?i=1000447731440Scars of Independence: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31453065-scars-of-independence?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=cYitg7NK0m&rank=1War is a Racket: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=7hHcGpWvmR&rank=1Lysander Spooner and the Post Office: https://explorethearchive.com/lysander-spoonerPostal Clause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_ClauseUSPS Monopoly: https://www.cato.org/tax-budget-bulletin/privatizing-us-postal-service Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=true Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueThe Gospel or a Glock: https://documents.pub/document/gospel-or-a-glock.htmlI Got a Monster: https://www.scribd.com/audiobook/440180470/I-Got-a-Monster-The-Rise-and-Fall-of-America-s-Most-Corrupt-Police-SquadBehind the Bastards Policing: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/slavery-mass-murder-and-the-birth-63913529/The End of Policing: https://www.scribd.com/audiobook/400924172/The-End-of-PolicingDial 911 (I know it doesn't look like the right resource, but it is): https://www.amazon.com/Dial-911-Peaceful-Christians-Violence/dp/0836119525/ref=sr_1_11?crid=DHX6M9KTPLQV&keywords=dial+911+book&qid=1652725121&sprefix=dial+911+boo%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-11 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueMoral Chemistry: https://www.dckreider.com/blog-theological-musings/moral-chemistry Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueA great conversation on a philosophy behind abstention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqEc3NNGol8&feature=youtu.bePhil Vischer on abortion and politics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvWD7ykNjCc&feature=youtu.beVoting as coercive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiiyZsCzP9k&t=1sVoting as an abdication of responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBAs9jmanzs&t=9sChristian Sacralism in "Anatomy of a Hybrid:" https://www.gospeltruth.net/verduin/hybrid.htmElecting Not to Vote: https://www.amazon.com/Electing-Not-Vote-Christian-Reflections-ebook/dp/B00YD5D0Z0/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=electing+not+to+vote&qid=1577199172&sr=8-1Essay on Civil Disobedience (Thoreau): https://users.manchester.edu/Facstaff/SSNaragon/Online/texts/201/Thoreau,%20CivilDisobedience.pdfKierkegaard Quotes on Politics: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/politics/politics-and-the-stateThe Myth of a Christian Nation: https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Christian-Nation-Political-Destroying/dp/0310267315/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=the+myth+of+a+christian+nation&qid=1583004622&sr=8-2Consequentialism Series (beginning ep. 24): https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes?utf8=%E2%9C%93&year=2019&month=Romans 13 Part 1 (Biblical Case): https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/rebuttal-romans-13Romans 13 Part 2 (Practical Case): https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/rebuttal-romans-13-part-2As Christians in the U.S. start thinking about voting for a commander in chief this fall, I thought I'd throw out an unpopular option for everyone to chew on. I've done a significant amount of reflection on politics, voting, and Kingdom living over the past few years, and I have concluded that the option of abstention is something that needs to be on the table for Christians. It may not be something you do in this election, or any future election, but it needs to be a tool you have available to you and one you can respect others using. In this podcast episode I lay out that case for this option, but if you want the summary and don't want to listen to a ninety minute episode, I'll summarize below. https://thefourthway.transistor.fm/episodes/se2-abstention-from-political-idolatry1. Many Christians view what James calls true religion as optional (helping orphans, widows, etc), as few Christians judge others for not doing these things. Only people who are "called" to those things are required to do them. Few people in our churches adopt, volunteer at the food pantry, etc. We view those things as optional, and understand if congregants don't have the time to participate. However, many view voting as morally necessary and the responsible thing to do. This mismatch of moral obligations seems to me to be political idolatry. How is it that orphans and widows are optional, while voting is obligatory? The state has replaced the church as the Christian ethic in American Evangelical society, which is why a vote every four years is lauded more vocally than doing the hard work of consistent community interaction and love. 2. When all candidates and/or platforms require our own moral compromises or implicit support of evil, the testimony of Christ should be prioritized and our salt/light to the world maintained over any action which promises perceived effectiveness. When all options are evil (a threshold we may disagree on), a holy example is only maintained through our abstention from evil and subsequent faith in God to accomplish his means through the church. As Daniel resigned himself to prayer, Moses's mother resigned her son to a basket, and Jesus resigned himself to a cross - God may bring us to a moment where following him means throwing off seeming effectiveness and simply resting in God's promise to sovereignly control history not through our subversion of his means, but through our clinging to him and his holy will over human wisdom, methodology, and power..God's express and implied will for our lives is holiness and a growing conformity to Christ. If all political parties and/or candidates require moral compromise, abstention is important to maintain moral holiness in our avoidance of evil. It is only through holy distinction (being salt and light) that incarnation is possible and meaningful. Had Jesus met us where we were, but not maintained his holy distinction from us, his incarnati

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueThe Faithful Executioner: https://www.amazon.com/Faithful-Executioner-Turbulent-Sixteenth-Century-ebook/dp/B0096MTBO4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1650315570&sr=8-1 Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

A huge thanks to Seth White for the awesome music!Thanks to Palmtoptiger17 for the beautiful logo: https://www.instagram.com/palmtoptiger17/Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thewayfourth/?modal=admin_todo_tourYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTd3KlRte86eG9U40ncZ4XA?view_as=subscriberInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/theway4th/ Kingdom Outpost: https://kingdomoutpost.org/My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_ElliotMy Reading List Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10h_yL0vO8-Ja_sxUJFclff11nwUONOG6/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103262818858083924733&rtpof=true&sd=trueSin Eaters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin-eaterTolstoy's "My Religion": https://archive.org/details/myreligiononlife00tolsBallou's "Christian Non-Resistance in All its Important Bearings": https://archive.org/details/christian_nonresistance_0906_librivoxSowell's "Civil Rights Rhetoric or Reality": https://www.scribd.com/book/163602107/Civil-Rights-RHETORIC-OR-REALITYThe Blinding of Isaac Woodard: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/blinding-isaac-woodard/ Thanks to our monthly supporters J Phillip Mast Laverne Miller Jesse Killion ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★