Religion on the Mind

How many times has someone told you that you have to watch The Chosen, the smash hit TV series depicting the life of Jesus? My buddy Jeff Martin and I break down season 1, episode 2 & 3, reacting to all manner of interesting details from my own liberal Christian therapist perspective and Jeff’s more moderate Evangelical lens. We get into: Shabbat and Shabbat dinner Conversion experiences and their psychological, social, and spiritual aspects depiction of Jesus' interactions with children and his characterization I’m very curious how much appetite there is for continuing with episodes like this, so please check it out and let me know what you think! **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/3ViFnTp7Des ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sarah McCammon, NPR journalist and author of "The Exvangelicals," shares her journey out of evangelical Christianity, including her pivotal relationship with her non-religious gay grandfather. We explore how journalism provided Sarah with a space to question and how my work in therapy also demands openness to evidence. We covered the impact of the Trump era on evangelicalism and the earlier Emergent movement led by figures like Rob Bell and Rachel Held Evans. We delve into the evangelical subculture's "parallel institutions" and their role in fostering distrust of mainstream institutions. Finally, we reflect on our wariness of echo chambers and the value we now place on viewpoint diversity and factual specificity. Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Kl0cr4MZaBI Sarah’s Book “The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church”: https://www.amazon.com/Exvangelicals-Loving-Living-Leaving-Evangelical/dp/1250284473 Sarah’s Substack Depolarize! Podcast Reconstruct Podcast ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After kicking things off with our usual game of "Bar, Bank, Church or Dispensary?” and “Ways we are becoming our dads” segments, I introduced a new segment focused on funny Hard Times headlines. Tony recalled his recent time in Rome and reflected on the passing of theologian Jurgen Moltmann. This led into a conversation about Israel and the war in Gaza, and all three of us gave our thoughts on the conflict. Finally, I brought forward the idea of seeing Christianity as a story in which we find ourselves, and we compared it with other meta-narratives competing for our attention and loyalty. Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/O27kTZyxVcU RESOURCES MENTIONED: Tony's Substack on Jürgen Moltmann Movie: God On Trial Kristen Ashley's Book: Knight ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today’s episode is a thoughtful conversation with my friend Josh Patterson of the (Re)Thinking Faith Podcast about his evolving relationship with Christianity. No longer a pastor, he sometimes struggles to articulate theological concepts that once came easily. Practices that used to nourish his soul now give him pause, and he wonders if his reduced engagement with Christian community and spiritual disciplines has contributed to this sense of distance. Despite this, Josh still experiences spontaneous moments of prayer, gratitude, and spiritual connection. He values embodied spiritual experiences over mere intellectual agreement with doctrines. The theological issues that once consumed him, such as Hell and atonement theories, have been overshadowed by more fundamental metaphysical and philosophical questions. He resonates with poetic and metaphorical approaches to theology (AKA “theopoetics”) that allow religious language to gesture toward profound truths and experiences without collapsing into rigid literalism. Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BuySOBvUOhY Josh's Podcast "Rethinking Faith": https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524 ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this mid-week episode (full version is available on Patreon!) I am joined by Jenny Hamilton, a licensed therapist and senior lecturer at the University of Lincoln in the UK, talking about her peer-reviewed movie therapy method. We discussed how films can provide a unique form of escapism while also helping foster empathy by allowing viewers to experience the world through someone else's perspective. Jenny emphasized the importance of tailoring selections to each individual client's interests, issues, and comfort level. We also touched on the value of using well-known films as a common reference point, which can help build rapport and facilitate deeper conversations. Should I find a guest or two who wants to try out the MOVIE Method, perhaps for a Patreon episode? We would watch a well-known movie and then talk through some journaling/response “homework” based on Jenny’s approach? Let me know! Jenny's Website: https://jennyhamiltoncounselling.wordpress.com/ Jenny's Podcast "The Movie Method": https://open.spotify.com/show/3hx4QmEz4LfQOoxqScwEU8?si=a4c8760608624958 The conversation article: https://theconversation.com/watching-movies-could-be-good-for-your-mental-health-214325 Jenny's Twitter @JennyHa0216 ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week I had the pleasure of speaking with Matt Halstead about his new book “The End of the World as You Know It” which focuses on End Times prophecies and apocalyptic literature. We touched on everything from the psychological drives behind our fascination with the future to the importance of maintaining a questioning mindset in matters of faith. We kicked things off by acknowledging the trauma and anxiety that can often accompany these teachings, especially for those who grew up in conservative evangelical circles. Matt shared how he was never encouraged to ask critical questions about these topics but rather was expected to simply accept what he was told. We also got into the history of apocalyptic literature and how it has been interpreted throughout the centuries. Matt pointed out that these texts were originally written from the perspective of oppressed groups, not the privileged empires of the day. Matt’s Book “The End of the World as You Know It”: https://www.amazon.com/End-World-You-Know-Really/dp/1683597125 Matt’s Faculty Page: https://eternity.edu/meet-dr-halsted/ Revelation Lectures by Craig S. Keener: https://masterlectures.zondervanacademic.com/revelation-craig-s-keener ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

** Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/5U0kztmTnxk In response to a listener suggestion, as well as having enjoyed Bonnie Kristian's recent newsletter on the topic, I looked into the recent Harrison Butker commencement address controversy. I had a few thoughts! I talk briefly about the situation, how I largely think of it in terms of protected religious speech, more progressive options within Christianity, the good questions raised by conservative counter-reactions in support of Butker and what one such reaction gets quite wrong, and some insights from the "cultural competency" world of psychotherapy that I think are applicable. Bonnie's newsletter: https://bonniekristian.substack.com/p/that-commencement-speech-didnt-need?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=405918&post_id=144821513&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=42udl&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email James Martin, SJ: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/james-martin-sj gaychurch.org ParentData on daycare: https://parentdata.org/day-care-bad-children/ ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know her and love her — my friend and recurring guest Kristen Tideman joined me this week for another listener-powered Q&A session! We recommended voices outside Christianity who provide thoughtful commentary on religion and culture, considered why some Christians seem to have a gentle certainty in their faith while others wrestle with doubt, recommended resources for those interested in psychology but not necessarily at a graduate school level, and wrapped with our Q&A tradition, “podcasts someone else should start.” I always look forward to bringing Kristen back for these episodes, so please continue to send in your questions and feedback! **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/ZWEDLrjwiAA Kristen & Sarey’s Website: https://www.tidycocreative.com/ RESOURCES MENTIONED: “The Spiral Staircase: My Climb Out of Darkness” Book by Karen Armstrong: https://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Staircase-Climb-Out-Darkness/dp/0385721277 “A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam”: https://www.amazon.com/History-God-000-Year-Judaism-Christianity/dp/0345384563 “Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny” Book by Robert Wright: https://www.amazon.com/Nonzero-Robert-Wright-audiobook/dp/B003VXOYU0/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.W5VbJEd_C7ARelFjPSPdn3yzWFEz_e8NNfRIuUQAVYQiGo7URK4okOWLCcU-5qKRkbZWePmrNEF5UMu2Bsnz0zVH2G-PDpc_rM3QD3GaET1B7YIFlklFaTi9a-8eJlmCGiwutLTJ5mzRIKor8tBFjjIl4mgdq9ixog65RS29IuP6zMeEftqYoSnZP90f73gmgICZuXNiRBhMwUxuvgP76n0gRWYNnZ8v5a3Rb0BlR7I.lzOXxi7UQfAmzXEGnSvr1HwJpM3ZqgRzjKOlcv4A9dI&dib_tag=se&hvadid=695122461575&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9060341&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=9167534309706362485&hvtargid=kwd-389232807553&hydadcr=3376_13743879&keywords=nonzero+book&qid=1716136609&sr=8-1 Ezra Klein Show Episode with George Saunders: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-george-saunders.html “The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds” Book by Michael Lewis: https://www.amazon.com/The-Undoing-Project-Michael-Lewis-audiobook/dp/B01KBM82M4/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cvym2lRDIPNob6LgRNDHPOZobL47bYhXCus_FyflE7PaLtByydXWtl_51cpuc2ZxMkfrpUp-o6hKcSIUSzkhknTjMdXCue97elz4LG7AvzJE6OzgVNhyksDwdbqAHnyKUGSJurbTFXxpO5dYRVt9zYkObJ4dX6m3od1-udbHCQKuj0meg8W0G2_KIsoh8nL3_2dKfbIpK9IM6iT-HVNoUcRiH8XiWFaxn3IwyB8MjH0.4vPkZtU2aPl5IqVdSPK_-_EKr3NNIbwGQh97XlkI5NE&dib_tag=se&hvadid=409935120645&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9060341&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8779447192951884940&hvtargid=kwd-409536905666&hydadcr=22597_11320627&keywords=%27the+undoing+project%27+by+michael+lewis&qid=1716136308&sr=8-1 “Thinking Fast and Slow” Book by Daniel Kahneman: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-and-Slow-audiobook/dp/B005Z9GAJG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=W7JLD65U1X9F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.J9E3G6r9vjT1ToBWoQvd_jo79NsGeWfMZRwA2IF1bWJJecsgTr9qjHdmX1IlwlqR1EG-cf0ADeQL21OlMnbOLgifLEj4VZDGqBWLpB_c7vGXt0QZa6bMPAg8Za2CbpRwWjTQt0HE4RDRKSgN2snnYa3A8BfMmIludhAdWWNwsnCp6ta6bw8UEcWSv40VpjFqBKBEnqkIouZAVHf-HVvQ6-IooQcNBDgIcj5APXDkih0.xp5f73ny4T0lA9HxrBZfR5AkTsDReliAZ7g4fWtc_YQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=thinking+fast+and+slow&qid=1716136287&sprefix=thinking+fast+%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1 Freakonomics Show “No Stupid Questions”: https://freakonomics.com/series/nsq/ Radio Lab’s Podcast “The Queen of Dying”: https://radiolab.org/podcast/queen-dying ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How many times has someone told you that you have to watch The Chosen, the smash hit TV series depicting the life of Jesus? My buddy Jeff Martin and I break down season 1 episode 1, reacting to all manner of interesting details from my own liberal Christian therapist perspective and Jeff’s more moderate Evangelical lens. We get into psychology, Biblical studies, theology, history, and even some parenting territory. I’m very curious how much appetite there is for continuing with episodes like this, so please check it out and let me know what you think! **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/6091jNfI8mc ___________________________________________ Get Tickets for Theology Beer Camp 2024 Use Code ReturnofYHP for $50 off your ticket! ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My guest this week is Lauren Auer, a licensed counselor specializing in religious trauma. She grew up in the evangelical world and initially opened her practice with a faith-based approach (hence the name Steadfast Counseling) but found herself questioning her own beliefs as she witnessed concerning changes in her church community and started receiving a lot of religious trauma cases in her practice, despite not explicitly advertising this specialty. We discussed the overt and more subtle forms of religious trauma (abuse is the thing that happens to you, while trauma is what happens inside you). many people are "the frog in the pot" from a young age, accustomed to certain behaviors and beliefs within their religious communities. This normalization can make it difficult to recognize when something is amiss or causing harm. Fear of questioning or deviating from the prescribed path often keeps individuals trapped in a state of confusion and self-doubt. While Lauren is currently only able to see clients in Illinois, there are resources available, such as the Reclamation Collective directory, a geographically organized list of therapists who self-identify as having expertise in working with religious trauma. My own Spiritual Harm and Abuse Scale -- a free-to-use clinical screener for therapists -- and a condensed research handout on spiritual abuse, are both freely available on dankochwords.com **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/rnZnu1VnGvo Lauren's Website: https://steadfastcounseling.com/ Follow Lauren on Instagram -- @steadfastcounseling Find Clinicians Who Deal with Religious Trauma: reclamationcollective.com ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After kicking things off with our usual game of "Bar, Bank, Church or Dispensary?” and “Ways we are becoming our dads” segments, we talked about Josh and Tony's work on the recently concluded Emerged podcast, an ambitious 10-episode series examining the Emerging Church movement. We debated the semantics and cultural implications of the "California sober" lifestyle and whether it really counts as “sober,” getting into the healthcare differences between so-called “abstinence” and “harm reduction” approaches to substance use. Tony told us about his speaking engagements at two "post-Christian spiritual communities" in Grand Rapids, Michigan. To close out, we had a spirited dialogue sparked by Josh's experience caring for his four-year-old nephew for a day, which included painting their nails in matching rainbow colors. Next month, I'll be coming in hot with some reasons I am feeling hopeful about the future of mainline liberal Protestantism, which Tony will do his best to abuse me of! But that’s the fun of these GGCH episode, right? **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/DEDU2b-cFZo Tony's Website: https://reverendhunter.com/ ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, I sat down with Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone, the fantastic hosts of the Saved by the City podcast. I asked them for their take on the "masculinity crisis" some have described in our cultural moment. From their experiences dating in New York City to their observations about the dearth of male role models in many kids' lives, they painted a picture of the loneliness, frustration and loss of purpose afflicting a lot of guys these days. Many traditionally male-coded traits and roles have been culturally devalued in recent decades in a way that has left a lot of men feeling adrift. Katelyn made the point that while working for gender parity in leadership is important, hyper-focusing on metrics like representation in the Fortune 500 C-suites overlooks a lot of other elements of human flourishing. Roxanne noted that we still have not had a society-wide conversation about redefining success and valorizing things like teaching, caretaking, and community-building that have historically been relegated to the feminine sphere. Katelyn and Roxanne were emphatic that women have a huge stake in helping stem this crisis, even if their first instinct may be an exasperated "Haven't men had their day in the sun long enough?" As Katelyn put it, men's issues are human issues, and in the long run, the genders rise and fall together. Lonely, angry, purposeless men are more likely to lash out in anti-social ways that endanger everyone. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/GPGGTdTEhYw Previous Episode "Christianity Today Staffers Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone": https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000556178804 ____________________________________ REGISTER for THEOLOGY BEER CAMP: https://homebrewedchristianity.lpages.co/theology-beer-camp-24/ YHP use code "RETURNOFYHP" for $25 off your ticket! ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The spiritual education of children can be daunting, especially when parents have more questions about God than answers. Does this necessarily lead to a dead end, or are there tools available when we have very little “bedrock” on which to stand? Meredith Anne Miller feels that mainstream Christian children's education focuses too heavily on making kids obedient, rather than inviting exploration. Meredith advocates for an approach centered on wonder, curiosity, and relationship -- sharing about God's character and love while making ample space for kids' questions, doubts, and personal journeys. We also respond to a listener question about specific issues with the Lord’s Prayer as a standard family/bedtime option. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/19GZZaSYZwU Meredith’s Substack: https://meredithannemiller.substack.com/ Other YHP Episodes around Raising Kids: #174 Meredith Miller - “Helping Kids Know God in Healthy Ways”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000594695988 #166 Bekah McNeil - “Love & Perfectionism in Raising Kids”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000582889496 ____________________________________ REGISTER for THEOLOGY BEER CAMP: https://homebrewedchristianity.lpages.co/theology-beer-camp-24/ YHP use code "RETURNOFYHP" for $25 off your ticket! ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I was joined by editor, podcaster, and novelist Jason Kirk to discuss how he put his Evangelical upbringing — barely distinguishable from my own — into his recent novel Hell Is A World Without You. We also discussed the power of storytelling to capture the overlap of complex ideas, fear of Hell, queer affirmation, Dune, and more. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/69-5jPEmrBE Jason’s Book “ Hell Is a World Without You”: https://www.amazon.com/Hell-World-Without-Jason-Kirk/dp/1735492647 https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel “Pretty Good Vibrations” Episode mentioned - Further Seems Forever Deep Dive: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000651894374 ___________________ REGISTER for THEOLOGY BEER CAMP: https://homebrewedchristianity.lpages.co/theology-beer-camp-24/ YHP use code "RETURNOFYHP" for $25 off your ticket! ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this week’s episode, I spoke with Elias Dummer, a musician, marketer, and former singer-songwriter of the Canadian Christian rock band The City Harmonic. We talked about the power and potential of contemporary worship music, exploring its role as a "spiritual technology" and its ability to unite people across various divisions -- class, race, theology, etc. And yes, in case you are wondering, I had to set aside my own personal distaste for Contemporary Christian Music and worship music, but I was happy to do so, all in the name of science, of course! Elias shared his unique background, coming from an ecumenical, missional context rather than a typical megachurch setting. I liked how this challenged common assumptions about contemporary worship music and its association with private piety and white Evangelical tribalism. We delved into the research Elias and others are doing about worship music, touching on concepts like Emile Durkheim’s collective effervescence and the ability of music to manipulate emotions. Acknowledging the power that worship leaders hold can help them use this influence responsibly. We agreed that being transparent about the mechanisms at play can help protect people from potential harm and abuse. Dan’s old band “Pacific Gold”: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5JiCHmso7KrIrNdhjRuElw?si=DOHu-J1wTyeQ6Rh7ET565g Elias’s Band “The City Harmonic” on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6qAVoMGl7omcu0RhX1B3fm?si=XTVkEntjSyuMSDLM1zjNlw The City Harmonic’s “Manifesto” on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5PsxiztPCYZUcEkXmYSx8Q?si=f921612d70464c32 Elias’ IG @eliasdummer **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/7D-lyxdwDQs ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this conversation, Tim Whitaker of The New Evangelicals joins Dan for a dual-feed special episode to discuss the upcoming book by Richard B. Hays, a respected New Testament scholar (Duke), and his son Christopher (Fuller), titled 'The Widening of God's Mercy: A Thoroughly Biblical Account of LGBTQ Affirmation in the Church.' They explore the potential impact of the book and the various reactions it has received. They also discuss the importance of acknowledging the harm caused by previous non-affirming positions and the need for an apology. They consider the strategic implications of the book and its potential to shift the conversation in white Evangelical spaces. They highlight the importance of listening to the voices of queer Christian scholars and the potential for the book to provide validation and support for those navigating their faith and sexuality. Also, they explore the idea of holding contradictory views and the importance of integration and growth, including a little bit of therapy-adjacent ideas about Tim and his dad. https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/ **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/bEdcKuNfHg8 Richard Hays’ Book “The Widening of God’s Mercy”: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300273427/the-widening-of-gods-mercy/ ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan spoke with friend and frequent guest Sarey Martin Concepcion about the intersection of intellectual humility and our Christian faith journeys, attempting to tie this together with his recent set of “Still Christian” episodes. They discussed how Sarey was raised in a fundamentalist evangelical strain of Christianity that valued certainty and correct doctrinal beliefs above all else. This made it challenging to embrace intellectual humility -- acknowledging what one can and cannot be confident about. While appreciating the research around intellectual humility can create some real tensions within Christianity, it also provides a foundation for extending grace to ourselves and others amid disagreement and uncertainty. https://www.tidycocreative.com/ Other Intellectual Humility Episodes: Elizabeth Hall: Doubt, Intellectual Humility & Uncertainty Tolerance (#146) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000553166878 Joshua Hook: Intellectual Humility (#184) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000608179436 Daryl van Tongeren: You Are Not Your Beliefs (#195) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000618349369 Stephen Sandage: What Does a Healthy Spiritual Leader Even Look Like? (#209) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000627460605 ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this month's Generation Gap Culture Hour, Dan, Josh, and Tony play a round of “Bar, Bank, Church, or Dispensary,” consider ways they are becoming like their dads, discuss the impact of the forthcoming gay-affirming book by New Testament scholar Richard B. Hays, the New York Magazine attempted takedown of Andrew Huberman, and more. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/g5vmzxlRTLI RESOURCES MENTIONS: Richard Hays’ Book “The Widening of God’s Mercy”: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300273427/the-widening-of-gods-mercy/ Andrew Huberman Article: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html CT’s “Why Character Doesn’t Matter Anymore”: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2024/march-web-only/ned-flanders-douglas-wilson-russell-moore-character.html Tony's Website: https://reverendhunter.com/ ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan's guest today is Simon Nixon, a former pastor and licensed counselor in Australia who works predominantly with domestic violence offenders in group therapy settings, helping them understand how to change their behavior and become safe partners and fathers. They discuss the challenges of such work, including the emotional difficulty and the need for a non-judgmental approach to facilitate change. Simon and Dan explore the concept of toxic and non-toxic masculinities and the importance of helping men identify and process their emotions. Simon outlines the process of working with these men, which includes identifying the kind of man they want to be, challenging unhelpful beliefs, and providing tools and strategies for managing anger and other emotions. They also touch on the evolutionary aspects of masculine traits and how some of these traits, such as protection and provision, may have been adaptive in the past but can be problematic in modern society. Dan offers a framework for re-evaluating some classically masculine traits in a more adaptive way. Simon's Counsellor Page: https://www.theaca.net.au/counsellor/Simon-Nixon **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/Dou415Dnhow ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaking as much to himself as to listeners, Dan continues this series by recapping Part 1, then discussing two more common thinking errors, known in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as “cognitive distortions,” that he sees in news coverage around the possibility of a Donald Trump victory in 2024. Recognizing these distortions in the media as well as our own thoughts about the election and its results can 1) reduce our anxiety and 2) align our thoughts more fully with the reality that the future is uncertain but unlikely to be as catastrophic as we often assume. More episodes should come and will focus on additional cognitive distortions, as well as acceptance work. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/Ixh-be0_l5A ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our very own Tony Jones (Generation Gap Culture Hour episodes, author, theologian, recovering youth ministry wunderkind) joins Dan for a very special conversation about the release of his brand new book, The God of Wild Places. Their conversation follows a three-act structure: Tony's early ministry days, then his escape into hunting while his marriage and life were crumbling, and finally the re-approaching and rethinking of his theology and faith in light of those experiences. Along the way, they also touch on mid-century mainline Protestantism, the spirituality and ritual of indigenous hunting practices, and the costs and benefits of organized religion versus a more "disorganized" spirituality. This is not one you'll want to miss, especially if you enjoy Tony on the GGCH episodes. Tony's Website: https://reverendhunter.com/ RESOURCES MENTIONS: James Dobson’s “Preparing for Adolescence”: https://www.drjamesdobson.org/broadcasts/preparing-for-adolescence-part-1 **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/wbAuF3YKj3A ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

**Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/FhPSrPr0g9U In the first of hopefully many "rapid fire" mailbag episodes, Dan answers listener questions on the following topics: Books to read as you start faith deconstruction Podcasts he wishes someone else would start Oppenheimer vs. Dune Part 2 Whether Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels are compatible with other religions being viable paths to God Albums that changed how he listens to music What the Eucharist/Lord’s Supper means to him today To listen to or watch the full episode, join the Patreon community at http://patreon.com/dankoch RESOURCES MENTIONED: The Bible Made Impossible A Flexible Faith Pure Bonnie Kristian YHP episodes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000437967133 Linda Kay Klein YHP episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000450839620 Pretty Good Vibrations (Dan's music podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250 -------- YHP on YouTube: www.youtube.com/@YouHavePermissionPodcast Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Dan answers a listener question about how he approaches difficult biblical passages that portray God as full of wrath, punishing humans in this world for their sins and rebellion. Later, Kristen Tideman joins to discuss Dan’s answer and ask some follow-up questions. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/STHpDBYJuQc ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Dan answers a listener question about how he approaches difficult biblical passages that portray God as full of wrath, punishing humans in this world for their sins and rebellion. Later, Kristen Tideman joins to discuss Dan’s answer and ask some follow-up questions. **Watch this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/ZHtYQQmRp9Y ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this wide-ranging conversation with Dr. Malinda Berry (Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary), Dan and Malinda cover nonviolence in the Anabaptist tradition, where Anabaptism comes from, the questionable emphasis in these traditions on martyrdom stories, our psychological instincts toward “purity,” and even exposure therapy and the idea that “time heals all wounds.” Malinda’s Faculty page: https://www.ambs.edu/employees/malinda-elizabeth-berry/ Richard Foster's Book “The Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christian Faith”: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=streams+of+living+water+richard+foster&hvadid=587486551675&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=1310001887124060575&hvtargid=kwd-377313966157&hydadcr=22599_13379366&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_6v26802mcy_e ____________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan is joined by friend and musician Brian Hall (TENTS) to talk his journey through different corners of Christianity, his relationship with his highly-spiritual father, staying out of dogma, and all that as it relates to a beautiful song called “Hutah!” The song is part of Brian’s attempt to reclaim some of his bodily, charismatic birthright in a post-deconstruction landscape. As you might imagine, it’s a pretty great conversation! Brian’s band Tents Spotify Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6UEOudUMOVOVUgAuVos294?si=a3W4UhooQfGWKHr0lGEvnQ “Hutah!” Song Long Link: https://open.spotify.com/track/1gL9wxxn8tuTCTfNP31ZXw?si=098da25678b247bc IG @tentsband _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This months Generation Gap Culture Hour features topics of Kids Birthday Parties, moss removal men who evangelize, and Josh's Crisis of "too much autonomy". **You can WATCH this episode on YouTube** https://youtu.be/y7bCOS4l7Qc _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan is joined this week by Kristen and Sara Tideman, co-hosts of Help Me, Gen Z, to discuss a wide array of topics related to gender, sociopolitics, and how different generations are experiencing these cultural moments. We discuss the film Barbie and its "Oscar snubs," Taylor and Travis and the NFL culture wars, and emerging worldwide cross-cultural research showing a new, much wider political gap between Gen Z males and females. **Watch this episode on YouTube**: https://youtu.be/u6YMVLNIiP8 Plain English Episode with Derek Thompson - “The Gender War Within Gen Z”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gender-war-within-gen-z/id1594471023?i=1000644344517 Plain English Episode with Derek Thompson - “Why America Has a Crisis of Masculinity”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-america-has-a-crisis-of-masculinity/id1594471023?i=1000580412547 _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

NeverTrumper Peter Wehner returns four years after his last appearance, and Dan asks how he has seen the Evangelical political landscape change in the past 4 years and since 2016. They also discuss the ongoing knowledge crisis, which overlaps so much with our politics and the current state of Evangelicalism in America. Pete’s first episode, “Trump, Evangelicals & Faith in Politics”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000449110716 Pete’s Atlantic Page: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/ Jonathan Haidt’s Book “The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure”: https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-of-American-Mind-audiobook/dp/B079P7PDWB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23DJHZJK1F8CO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dzY_xDckhNVQGRuXKHgA6cC-1ZCcrmQL4LsUYb_tvK32cKktOoTFitwrrHrF9q72UcGPdqRuMYswA8qCWViNYuK0VxJ6yGzleaaRbhfi7NHGQxbHzXz7Xmq3lJ940l0IycdMXnNkr6JD60EFDaWwNw.i-8zgwwPyISmzx2jLK8xklsqbJbP_z_E8u93U5TYU30&dib_tag=se&keywords=jonathan+height+coddling&qid=1709211506&s=books&sprefix=jonathan+height+coddling%2Cstripbooks%2C79&sr=1-1 Jonathan Rauch’s Book “The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth”: https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862 Kristen Du Mez’s Book “Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation”: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=jesus+and+john+wayn&hvadid=557195610675&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10198193741129960835&hvtargid=kwd-1442811635484&hydadcr=8375_13469708&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_kxt982vam_e _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

My guest Karen Timbals shares my love of Jonathan Haidt and his Moral Foundations Theory, featured in his book The Righteous Mind. But what happens when use that framework as a lens through which to interpret commonly-used religious language? In what way do liberal and conservative churches make moral appeals to their congregants? yourmorals.org _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Dan talks with pastor Jace Broadhurst. They start out going for a “Worries About Progressive Christianity” episode format, but end up talking about the necessity (or lack thereof) of belief in the resurrection, miracles, and specific items in the major Christian creeds. Along the way, they talk about competing visions of God’s glory and authority, the role of hermeneutics (how we approach a text like Scripture and interpret it), and more. Jace’s IG @jacebroadhurst John Shelby Spong’s book “Unbelievable: Why Neither Ancient Creeds Nor the Reformation Can Produce a Living Faith Today”: https://www.amazon.com/Unbelievable-Neither-Ancient-Reformation-Produce/dp/0062641298 Rethinking Faith Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524 _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan welcomes back Dr. Steven Sandage and Sarey Martin Concepcion to talk about the natural anxiety produced by the reality of differences between people, especially differences between entire cultures. It is possible to cultivate “cultural humility,” a respectful and curious posture necessary for proper care in many fields, including all types of healthcare. Cultural humility is labor and attention-intensive, requiring emotional reserves that can sometimes be provided through spiritual resources. Incentive structures for both individuals and institutions are often, however, set in opposite to the cultivation of such humility. Stephen’s Episode “What Does a Healthy Spiritual Leader Even Look Like? (#209)”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000627460605 Steve’s Faculty Page: https://www.bu.edu/sth/profile/steven-j-sandage/ Edwin Friedman’s Book “Generation to Generation”: https://lifeandleadership.com/book-summaries/friedman-generation-to-generation/ _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this latest episode focused on masculinity and unique modern problems facing men and boys, Dan talks with moderate evangelical radio host Brant Hansen about his book from a couple years back, which focuses on an alternative vision of masculinity that is nonetheless rooted in mainstream Christian understandings of gender. They discuss bell curve distributions of traits, biological differences between statistically average members of each biological sex, and Brant’s primary thesis that masculinity is about protecting the vulnerable and cultivating goodness for individuals within one’s own sphere of influence. Brant’s Amazon Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Brant-Hansen/author/B00P49MTEW?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true Brant’s Book “Life is Hard, God is Good, Let’s Dance”: https://www.amazon.com/Life-Hard-Good-Lets-Dance-ebook/dp/B0BYYXTNQ2 Brant & Sherri Oddcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1923-theyre-both-trays/id903615429?i=1000644214176 https://cure.org/ _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In stride with recent episodes focused on I Think You Should Leave and Shiny Happy People, Dan shares his favorite TV series and films of 2023. Yes, he's a few weeks late, but his wife just had a baby in December! The information may yet prove useful to you, dear listeners. Dan shares what he loved the most and why, including any psychological or theological angles he enjoyed. _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The guys are joined by Josh’s girlfriend Emily for a direct report on Gilbert Christmas Tree Sleepover 2023. Dan, Josh and Tony also play a round of “Bar, Bank, Church, or Dispensary,” consider ways they are becoming like their dads, and discuss Tony’s “no politics on hunting trips” rule. If you'd like to WATCH this episode, you now can by joining the Patreon: patreon.com/dankoch _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the inaugural “Still Christian” episode (more to come!), Dan talks with two of his favorite songwriters, personal friends Tyson Motsenbocker and John Van Deusen, who in addition to their own solo recording careers also play in Telephone Friends together. Dan explains the genesis of this new episode type, and all three talk about the reasons they consider themselves Christian, what the word “Christian” means to them, and the role their faith plays in their lives. In fact, the genesis of the idea for these “Still Christian” episodes came during a conversation Dan had with John at Tyson’s wedding reception, a story which Dan shares. Dan's favorite tunes by John and Tyson: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7mdo7jHBJXcYUiB8wXzcrK?si=2b3d7e68500c43f9 Telephone Friends Spotify Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=pEOaSqGGR2ei7CK-K5Nl1w Tyson's Book "Where the Waves Turn Back": https://www.amazon.com/Where-Waves-Turn-Back-Pilgrimage/dp/1546003444 _______________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Is there deep meaning to be found in absurdist comedy? Can shows like I Think You Should Leave prompt us into deep waters, or do they merely trigger shallow laughter and enjoyment? Returning guests Matt Wright and Kristen Tideman join Dan this week to find out as they discuss the first season of the Netflix comedy hit (and possibly Dan’s all-time favorite comedic television show) I Think You Should Leave. I Think You Should Leave: https://www.netflix.com/title/80986854 Matt's Spotify Artist Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4B4Remkbm9pHdBjZSeNfGC?si=API5fMyaSPWlBMtmNJI_vQ Matt's Band "Telephone Friends" Artist Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=a7KdANkmT5abDEvCcYspfA _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Does interaction with scary media "open us up to spiritual influence?" What do professional exorcists think that exorcism is actually "doing" for the possessed? Is there a legitimate role for "the fear of the Lord"? What are the benefits of telling and re-telling horrifying stories? Fuller Seminary's Kutter Callaway joins Dan this week to discuss questions like this and they discuss his podcast Be Afraid. Kutter’s website: https://www.kuttercallaway.com/ Be Afraid Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-afraid/id1704761081 Kutter’s Devotional “Don’t Look Away: The Horrors of Holy Scripture”: https://www.alabasterco.com/products/dont-look-away-the-horrors-of-holy-scripture ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaking as much to himself as to listeners, Dan goes through three common thinking errors, known in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as “cognitive distortions,” that he sees in news coverage around the possibility of a Donald Trump victory in 2024. Recognizing these distortions in the media as well as our own thoughts about the election and its results can 1) reduce our anxiety and 2) align our thoughts more fully with the reality that the future is uncertain but unlikely to be as catastrophic as we often assume. More episodes should come and will focus on additional cognitive distortions, as well as acceptance work. ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan continues the series by talking with former worship director and pastor's kid Joy Vetterlein. Joy’s Website: https://www.joyvetterlein.com/ Joy’s Instagram @joyvetterlein Christian Smith’s Book “The Bible Made Impossible”: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+bible+made+impossible&hvadid=174278255243&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10981934186039507283&hvtargid=kwd-28154002665&hydadcr=24629_9648897&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_8ixu62s481_e Lisa Miller’s Book “The Spiritual Child”: https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Child-Parenting-Lifelong-Thriving/dp/1250033837/ref=asc_df_1250033837/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312681615521&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7860483979626910626&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-490869632576&psc=1&mcid=814a73c070cb34248a207f9bdfbd0336&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkeSsBhDUARIsAK3tiedxjquhk1AKP60qkSkQB76cAxQI-xqtiqQYfUENdfI4_IXKqo0yZHEaAgp2EALw_wcB Molly Lacroix’s Episode “Un-Shaming Each Part of Ourselves”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000620549641 ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan is joined by Dr. Laura Anderson, a fellow spiritual abuse/religious trauma researcher whose new book When Religion Hurts You is a pretty great and concise summary of what is known today about religious trauma and its effects on humans. They define terms like “religious trauma” and “spiritual abuse” and talk about the benefits of religion, the failures of pop psychology, the difference between PTSD and Complex PTSD, and more. Laura’s Book “When Religion Hurts You: Healing from Religious Trauma and the Impact of High-Control Religion”: https://drlauraeanderson.com/book Laura’s Website: https://drlauraeanderson.com/ https://www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com/ Laura’s Podcast - Sunday School Dropouts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sunday-school-dropouts/id1689312239 The Varieties of Religious & Spiritual Abuse Episode with Paula Swindle (#90): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000498837671 Saved By the City Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saved-by-the-city/id1557930520 ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

*Re-broadcast* - The Quagmire of Modern Missions (#70) Original Description: I interview Jim and Breanna Randall, missionaries (if you want to call them that) in Myanmar. We talk about the various pitfalls that are present in modern day missions work (bad actors, psychologists breaking their oaths to do no harm, donor fragility, American/White Exceptionalism, and more), as well as some more hopeful potential ways forward. CORRECTION: I said Jamie Lee Finch was the “Worst Missionary,” but that is actually Jamie Wright Breanna’s Francis Chan piece: https://faithfullymagazine.com/myanmar-francis-chan-ministry/ Desmond Tutu Children’s Bible: https://smile.amazon.com/Children-Storybook-Bible-Archbishop-Desmond/dp/0310719127/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=desmond+tutu+bible&qid=1592798668&s=books&sr=1-1Unsettling Truths: https://smile.amazon.com/Unsettling-Truths-Dehumanizing-Doctrine-Discovery/dp/0830845259/ref=sr_1_2dchild=1&keywords=unsettling+truths&qid=1592798645&s=books&sr=1-2 Dangerous Territory: https://smile.amazon.com/Dangerous-Territory-Misguided-Quest-World/dp/1627075976/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=dangerous+territory&qid=1592798554&sr=8-1 Assimilate or Go Home: https://smile.amazon.com/Assimilate-Go-Home-Missionary-Rediscovering/dp/0062388800/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=assimilate+or+go+home&qid=1592798542&sr=8-1 Decolonizing Wealth: https://www.decolonizingwealth.com/ Breanna‘s twitter: @randallbreanna Breanna’s Instagram: @br_randall Kaitlin Curtice: https://kaitlincurtice.com/ Christina Cleveland: http://www.christenacleveland.com/ No White Saviors: https://nowhitesaviors.org/ Support the Randalls: https://burmachronicle.com/blog/ ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As Dan has wrestled with his understanding of the Bible over the years, one issue has taken center stage in his mind: the multivocality of Scripture. In other words: if we take the Bible as we find it, it becomes clear that voices of biblical writers are in disagreement and conversation with each other, across and even within books of the Bible. And, it turns out, many listeners are also curious about this topic. So what better focus for this conversation with New Testament scholar James F. McGrath. They get fairly nerdy and deep into biblical scholarship on this one, so fair warning! James’ Book “The A to Z of the New Testament: Things Experts Know That Everyone Else Should Too”: https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Things-Experts-Everyone/dp/0802882307 James’ Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/ James’s Twitter - @ReligionProf “The Bible Made Impossible: Why Biblicism Is Not a Truly Evangelical Reading of Scripture”: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Made-Impossible-Biblicism-Evangelical/dp/158743329X Keith Ward’s Book “What the Bible Really Teaches: A Challenge to Fundamentalists”: https://www.amazon.com/What-Bible-Really-Teaches-Fundamentalists/dp/0281056803 ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan continues his (occasional) focus on Faith deconstruction amid Baby Boomers by talking with Southern Californian Dan Gross. For the second half of this conversation, join the Patreon @ patreon.com/dankoch Episodes Mentioned: To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories #6: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214 The Argument for Universal Salvation #43 with Brad Jersak: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000455888818 Baby Boomer Deconstruction #158: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000568871042 Brian McLaren #170: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000589883284 ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Those of us who grew up with the Gospel's exhortation to “lay down your life” and “take up your cross” find modern culture constantly encouraging “self-care.” Is this helpful, like putting on our own oxygen masks before helping someone else, or mere selfishness in disguise? Are there limits to self-care or self-sacrifice? In today’s episode (Part 2) Matt Wright gets into this topic by way of discussing his diagnosis of Bipolar disorder. Matt's Spotify Artist Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4B4Remkbm9pHdBjZSeNfGC?si=API5fMyaSPWlBMtmNJI_vQ Matt's Band "Telephone Friends" Artist Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=a7KdANkmT5abDEvCcYspfA _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Those of us who grew up with the Gospels exhortation to “lay down your life” and “take up your cross” find modern culture constantly encouraging “self-care.” Is this helpful, like putting on our own oxygen masks before helping someone else, or mere selfishness in disguise? Are there limits to self-care or self-sacrifice? In today’s episode (Part 1), returning guest Andy Squires expresses some concern. Part 2 (featuring Matt Wright) drops tomorrow! Andy’s “Worries About Progressive Christianity” Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000617706730 Andy’s Website: andysquyres.com Andy’s Instagram: @andysquyres Andy’s Linktree: https://linktr.ee/andysquyres _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Derek Kubilus, a Methodist minister, was surprised to find so much pain around the concept of Hell among his parishioners despite serving in a progressive denomination. This led him to write the new book “Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation” and to explore the concept and history of “Hell” without the baggage it is often accompanied by in more conservative spaces. Over time, humans seem to have come up with a maximally terrifying vision of Hell that goes well beyond anything in the Bible. Why? What role does it play? What does it accomplish? Derek’s Book “Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation”: https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Hell-against-Eternal-Damnation/dp/0802883176 Derek’s Podcast “Cross Over Q”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cross-over-q/id1551387779 Episode’s Mentioned: To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories (#6): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214 _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kathleen Tarrant, a Seattle music journalist who covered Mars Hill Church extensively, joins for another “I Don’t Believe In That God” episode with Dan. Kathleen was raised Catholic and finds some value in aspects of that experience, but these days finds herself outside of Christian/religious circles. Kathleen’s The Stranger Page: https://www.thestranger.com/authors/23297822/kathleen-tarrant?page=2 Kathleen’s Mars Hill Article: https://www.thestranger.com/music/2015/12/23/23297826/how-christianity-infiltrated-seattles-music-scene-with-a-little-help-from-mars-hill-church-and-the-city-council ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our own Kristen Tideman (media and marketing) joins Dan for another Q&A session — for the full episode, join up at patreon.com/dankoch. Questions for Dan include: - what got you into podcasting? - will Taylor and Travis last? - when did your panic attacks start, and what do they feel like? - how do you think you would you handle fame? - if you lost your hearing, what would you do for work? The Feeling Good Handbook by David Burns: https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-Handbook-David-Burns/dp/0452281326 The Beatles “Now and Then”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opxhh9Oh3rg Kristen’s Pretty Good Vibrations Episodes: Walk Me Through: Bon Iver / Justin Vernon (Part 1): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000605159636 Walk Me Through: Bon Iver / Justin Vernon (Part 2): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000606357346 ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: [email protected] YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(First ever) FOUR-time guest Bonnie Kristian returns to talk about the different tiers of Christian publishing, which Dan thinks applies equally to podcasting. Embedded in this discussion is the fact that Bonnie is a Christian female writer… but she’s definitely not a “Christian female writer.” What is expected of these writers? Must they constantly “create content” populated by their shiny, happy children? What is lost when we force women into this mold? Bonnie’s Article “On being a female Christian writer who is not 'a female Christian writer’": https://bonniekristian.substack.com/p/on-being-a-female-christian-writer?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 Bonnie’s Substack: https://substack.com/@bonniekristian Articles Mentioned: https://cbmw.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1-2.pdf https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/legalism-gender-roles-exhibit-c-piper-commentary https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/do-you-use-bible-commentaries-written-by-women Bonnie’s previous YHP Episodes: To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories (#6): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214 Brad East’s Website: https://www.bradeast.org/ To Consider Inerrancy, Infallibility & Inspiration (#21): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000437967133 Our Substantial Knowledge Crisis (#167): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000584513764 Brad East’s Website: https://www.bradeast.org/ _____________ Sign up for Tripp and Dan's class, “Live Before You Die: Existentialism in Theology & Psychology”: exploringexistentialism.com _____________ Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/ Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKoch Faith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/ Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia.com -- he is accepting more work!) Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankoch Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: YHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98 Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html Join Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/ Artwork by sprungle.co/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices