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Will Saletan compiled a comprehensive timeline of "what Trump knew and when he knew it" about the coronavirus pandemic. He says the chronology proves that Trump is responsible for many deaths. Brian Stelter asks Saletan about his conclusions. Plus: What do Bob Woodward's taped interviews with Trump add to the timeline? Saletan says Trump exposed one of the news media's vulnerabilities: "We're not really prepared as a press corps for an authoritarian. We're not prepared for someone who just lies... And it turns out that we're not as effective as we would like to believe we are at stopping politicians from lying if they're willing to simply ignore us." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... This is why political campaigns feel free to lie in TV ads; a Facebook exec explains the company's US election actions; what's next for Stars and Stripes? Jeffrey Goldberg, S.V. Date, SE Cupp, Nick Clegg, Nicole Hemmer, Carl Bernstein and Ernie Gates join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Daniel Thompson talks about his decision to resign from The Kenosha News in protest of a "grossly negligent and inappropriate" headline on a story about a rally in support of Jacob Blake. He says "I don't think the old ways of covering things, particularly protests, works anymore." He also tells Brian Stelter about his plan to work as an independent journalist and eventually "develop a network" of local news outlets. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Kevin Roose on how algorithms are distorting American politics; Daniel Dale on his fast-paced fact-checking; Carolyn DeWitt on voter groups suing Trump over his social media executive order. Susan Glasser, Kevin Roose, Ayesha Rascoe, Jason Stanley, Daniel Dale, Radhika Jones and Carolyn DeWitt join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Host Brian Stelter becomes the guest as CNN senior media reporter Oliver Darcy asks him about his new book "Hoax: Donald Trump, Fox News, and the Dangerous Distortion of Truth." Stelter discusses his reasons for writing the book; how he convinced sources to cooperate; the "lie-laundering" trends he identified; and the potential for change at Fox News in the future. Stelter and Darcy debate the divide between Fox's news and opinion departments, the influence of the Murdoch family, and more. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Why Trump's use of the word 'hoax' is poisonous; what Brian Stelter learned by writing a book about Fox News and Trump; how newsrooms should handle GOP convention disinformation. Peter Hamby, Amanda Carpenter, Sara Fischer, Alisyn Camerota, Peter Pomerantsev, Ricky Kirshner and Bill Plaschke join the discussion. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vann Newkirk is the host of "Floodlines," The Atlantic's documentary podcast examining "mythmaking" and misinformation during and after Hurricane Katrina. Brian Stelter asks Newkirk about parallels between the U.S. response to the hurricane and the coronavirus pandemic; the role of the press; and the lessons that should be learned from both crises. He describes "the lag between the reality, the disaster dawning on us, and people actually moving to confront it," saying "we had that same kind of lag from every level of government" in response to the pandemic "that really cost us a whole lot in the long run." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Carl Bernstein on covering Trump's election threats; how the pandemic has changed 2020 campaign coverage; Trump lies to reporters while Biden avoids the press; the origins of the latest bogus "birther lie"; "excess death" data shows the true toll from Covid-19; Rolling Stone reporter says Fox "escaped accountability" for Seth Rich hoax. Carl Bernstein, Asma Khalid, John Harris, Olivia Nuzzi, Oliver Darcy, Rep. Adam Kinzinger and Andy Kroll join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jim Sciutto's new book, "The Madman Theory: Trump Takes on the World," contains on-the-record interviews with an array of Trump administration foreign policy officials. The CNN anchor shares his reporting process and his observations about the Trump years with Brian Stelter. “It amazes me, the threshold for outrage or controversy” these days, Sciutto says. He points out that warnings about Trump from people previously in his inner circle are “dismissed as kind of partisan hectoring, even though it comes from inside his own administration.” He also discusses the disturbing impacts of Trump’s anti-media rhetoric around the world. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... local reporters work overtime to honor the dead during the pandemic; "We Have Her Back" group will call out sexist VP coverage; were Trump's executive orders merely a media stunt? David Zurawik, Nicole Hemmer, Errin Haines, Hilary Rosen, Claire McNeill and Jeffrey Toobin join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The 19th* is a nonprofit news startup "at the intersection of gender, politics and policy." Co-founder and CEO Emily Ramshaw talks with Brian Stelter about this month's launch and plans for the future. Ramshaw discusses the media's glaring weaknesses when it comes to gender. In the 2020 election season, "we're seeing those same conversations over and over," she says. "We are not making strides. And so that's what inspired us to say, you know what? I just want to blow it all up and start over." She also talks about the news outlet's business model and the impacts of the pandemic. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Many Fox viewers changed the channel during John Lewis funeral; pandemic disinformation is wasting precious time; how the AP is prepping to cover 'election week' in 2020; 'Election Meltdown' author on Trump's threat to democracy; why was Homeland Security collecting 'intel' on journalists?; James Murdoch breaks with family's media empire; how news outlets can empower voters in 2020. Susan Glasser, Erin Geiger Smith, Richard Hasen, Sally Buzbee, TJ Ducklo and Errol Louis join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Netflix "bent the world to the Netflix model," Peter Kafka says, and its competitors are now many laps behind. Kafka, the co-host the current season of Recode’s "Land of the Giants" podcast, talks with Brian Stelter about the streaming service’s growth and worldwide reach. He describes Netflix’s "frenemy relationship" with media companies that both supply programming and compete with the service. Kafka also comments on Netflix's "astonishing" 160 Emmy wins and the impact of challengers like HBO Max, Disney+ and Peacock. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yale University professor Jason Stanley, author of "How Fascism Works," says he sees a fascist social and political movement taking hold in America's democracy. In this conversation with Brian Stelter, Stanley says the Trump administration is "manufacturing dissent" by sending federal forces to Portland, Oregon and other cities. Stanley calls this tactic "lawlessness in the name of 'law and order,'" and says Fox News functions as a "propaganda station" for Trump. Stanley also discusses Trump's mishandling of the pandemic and explains the "ten pillars of fascist politics" outlined in his book. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Trump's reality distortion field extends to "fake polls;" Dr. Anthony Fauci returns to TV; is there growing intolerance in American newsrooms? Peter Nicholas, Ed Yong, April Ryan, David Zurawik, Amanda Carpenter, Jill Filipovic, Tim O'Brien and Anne Applebaum join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Barry, author of "The Great Influenza," reflects on what can be learned from history, now that his 2004 book has been thrust back onto best-seller lists. "Fortunately this virus is not nearly as virulent, as deadly as the 1918 virus, so we're not in that situation," he says. "But the trivialization of it for the first several months by the administration, the politicization of the mask issue -- it's costing lives. There is no question." Barry says the communications problem is paramount: "It all depends on convincing people to comply with the recommendations." He also discusses his recent New York Times op-ed and the influence of right-wing media. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Keeping up with the 'firehose' of news about Covid-19; What Mary Trump's tell-all says about Trump's psyche; Margaret Sullivan's new book offers six partial solutions to the crisis in local news. Oliver Darcy, Nicole Hemmer, Helen Branswell, Jonathan Karl, Tony Schwartz and Margaret Sullivan join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Disinformation expert Nina Jankowicz talks with Brian Stelter about her new book, "How to Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict." Recounting her travels throughout Ukraine and her briefings for lawmakers on Capitol Hill, Jankowicz describes the disturbing impacts of both domestic and foreign information operations. She says the U.S. is "abdicating leadership" and warns about a potential "fact-free version of Democracy-lite" in the future. She also proposes a "disinformation museum," where users can see content that has since been removed from the internet. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Dr. Anthony Fauci's disappearances from national TV shows; Dr. Seema Yasmin on the press as the 'immune system of a democracy;' behind the 'Tucker Carlson 2024' chatter. Mindy Marques Gonzalez, Kathy Tulumello, Steve Riley, Dr. Seema Yasmin, Douglas Brinkley, Ted Boutrous and Alex Thompson join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Atlantic's James Fallows talks with Brian Stelter about his recent article that imagines a National Transportation Safety Board probe into the U.S. pandemic response. Fallows shares his reporting about critical leadership failures that occurred in January and February. Stelter points out that the president's missteps line up with a timeline of Fox News coverage. Fallows says Fox is an "outside distorting pressure which has changed everything about decisions inside the administration, and how they think their part of the public base will respond." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Susan Glasser on the view from Trump's 'Hannity bunker,' Bill Moyers on Facebook's 'garbage,' and Jake Tapper on the origins of new movie 'The Outpost.' Joan Lunden, Kristen Powers, David Zurawik, Susan Glasser, Jake Tapper, Nick Clegg, and Bill Moyers join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"Believe-whatever-you-want fantasy is deeply embedded in our DNA," journalist Kurt Andersen wrote in his 2017 book "Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire." Brian Stelter asks him to apply the lessons of "Fantasyland" to the Covid-19 crisis. Andersen also discusses the American affinity for "ultra-individualism," Trump's disconnect from "reality-based" Americans, and the impact of the QAnon conspiracy theory. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Astead Herndon's reporters notebook from Tulsa; Carl Bernstein on Trump's mood swings; inside the mass firings at the U.S. Agency for Global Media. Mary Jo Laupp, Astead Herndon, Jasmine El-Gamal, Guy Snodgrass, Karen Kornbluh, Sarah Ellison, Anthony Scaramucci and Carl Bernstein join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Public health science and communication "are inextricably linked," says Dr. Richard Besser, former CDC acting director, ABC News medical expert, and president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. He and Brian Stelter discuss the "unmet need" for clear and cohesive messaging from federal officials about Covid-19. "It's practically radio silence at the federal level from political leaders as well as public health leaders in terms of where we are and what needs to be done," he says. Dr. Besser also talks about strengths and weaknesses in the media coverage of the pandemic. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A racism reckoning for the media industry? Plus... Why the press should be careful when forecasting "waves;" an interview with journalist Linda Tirado, who was blinded at a protest and is now suing police. Dr. James Hamblin, Dr. Elisabeth Rosenthal, Dan Diamond, Jenna Ellis, Sara Sidner, Linda Tirado, Tai-Heng Cheng and Farai Chideya join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"Who exactly does objectivity serve? And is there a difference between objectivity and fairness?" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reporter Alexis Johnson joins Brian Stelter to discuss turmoil at the paper, which stems from management’s decision to stop Johnson from covering Black Lives Matter protests because she posted a satirical tweet about riots. Executive editor Keith Burris said she showed "bias." Johnson says, "To think that no reporter has bias, and to think that no newsroom has bias... is just absolutely ridiculous." Johnson says "I don't know how much longer the Post-Gazette can thrive" under current leadership. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Brian Stelter on the president telling you not to believe your eyes; Alexi McCammond on White House coverage; Karen Attiah on the need for newsroom integration; and a message from CNN's master control operations team. Karen Attiah, Jemele Hill, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Oliver Darcy, Alexi McCammond and Masha Gessen join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter speaks with six journalists covering the anti-racism protests across America during a Society of Professional Journalists webinar titled "stories from the frontlines: journalists and protests." The panel addresses the troubling spate of attacks on journalists; offers tips to stay safe; and reflects on the "extraordinary moment" for journalists of color and the state of newsroom diversity. This week's guests: Dorothy Tucker, CBS-Chicago investigative reporter and president of the National Association of Black Journalists Errin Haines, editor-at-large of The 19th News Mike Trautmann, Louisville Courier-Journal news director and director of investigations Tim Nelson, Minnesota Public Radio reporter Haisten Willis, freelance journalist for the Washington Post and other outlets Jesse J. Holland, author, scholar and former AP journalist To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Reporters in Minneapolis describe dodging tear gas and rubber bullets; Errin Haines says news outlets should "center" the stories of peaceful protestors; is Facebook like a chemical factory polluter? Omar Jimenez, Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Jane Coaston, Errin Haines, David Zurawik, David Frum, Roger McNamee and Yael Eisenstat join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oliver Darcy, Kerry Flynn, Donie O'Sullivan, Frank Pallotta and Chloe Melas talk with Brian Stelter about all the ways the pandemic has upended the worlds of media, tech, and entertainment. "Even the media companies that I thought were the strongest and would be able to survive without making any cuts -- they've been forced" to make changes, Flynn says. Darcy and O'Sullivan call out the shortcomings of social media platforms. Pallotta and Melas discuss the movie, music and live event industries. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Garry Kasparov says Trump lowering the moral bar for us all; the significance of Trump's hostility toward VOA; The Atlantic's Ed Yong on America's 'patchwork pandemic'; NYT's Jennifer Senior: Trump doesn't believe what he can't see... Garry Kasparov, Ed Yong, Jennifer Senior, Ben Smith, Dan Abrams, Sunlen Serfaty and Matt Armstrong join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Barnes, NPR's senior VP of news and editorial director, talks with Brian Stelter about the recent $4.7 million gift from Eric and Wendy Schmidt. The funds will bolster reporting hubs in California and the Midwest. The gift is "specifically geared towards our efforts to grow local journalism," Barnes says. She also discusses NPR's pandemic coverage, and how the public radio network is faring financially. "The budget hit is significant," she says. "It's almost exclusively related to Covid-19." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... A tale of two presidents; Trump's pattern of firing government watchdogs on Friday nights; and Garrett Graff on 'the storm we can't see.' Margaret Carlson, April Ryan, Peter Wehner, Garrett Graff, Kevin Rudd and Lawrence Wright join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nate Silver, editor-in-chief of FiveThirtyEight, talks with Brian Stelter about Covid-19 data and media coverage of the pandemic. From the death rate to the daily number of tests, "any one indicator is going to have its flaws," Silver says. He addresses flaws in the conversation about "reopening" and the predictions of new waves of infections. While Silver says there is a relationship between social distancing efforts and rates of transmission, he warns that "trying to pick up a clear signal amidst noisy data when there are marginal changes being made" is very complicated. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... an interview with NYT CEO Mark Thompson; Trump versus Voice of America; and a Mother's Day visit with the mom and daughters behind "The Quarantine Times." Maggie Haberman, Catherine Rampell, Oliver Darcy, Renee DiResta, Brendan Nyhan, Mark Thompson, Lisa Napoli, and Laura, Claire and Rachel Lundgren join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the new book "Up All Night: Ted Turner, CNN and the Birth of 24-Hour News," reporter Lisa Napoli recounts how Ted Turner's vision sparked a media revolution. Napoli speaks with Brian Stelter ahead of CNN's 40th birthday on June 1. She recalls her own internship at the fledging channel in 1981; the forgotten figures who made the channel into what it is today; and the international reach of CNN.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Brian Stelter's essay on the need for hard truths at a very hard time; how America's handling of the Covid-19 crisis is viewed abroad; and a thank you message to members of the media who cannot work from home. Carl Bernstein, Beth Blauer, Jennifer Nuzzo, Olivia Nuzzi, Ryan Lizza, Katharine Viner and Jake Tapper join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What is driving President Trump's recent barbs at the federally-funded news outlet Voice of America? David Ensor, former director of VOA, speaks with Brian Stelter about the president's attacks and the news organization's mission. Contrary to the White House's claims, VOA has "done a thorough job of covering and uncovering Chinese misinformation," he says. "It is a truthful news organization that really tries to get to the bottom of things and that represents all views on issues."To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus, Why do reporters put up with Trump's attacks? Can local news outlets survive the pandemic's blow? How much longer will the pandemic stress test last? Dr. Seema Yasmin, Oliver Darcy, Jonathan Karl, Brooke Baldwin, Mary Spicuzza, Amy Brothers, Nikki Vargas and Carson Daly join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Vikek Murthy, who was Surgeon General during Barack Obama's second term, joins Brian Stelter to explain how his new book, "Together: The Healing Power of Human Connection in a Sometimes Lonely World," applies to this period of "physical distancing." Dr. Murthy discusses "the mental health impact of Covid-19," the danger of a "social recession," and more. Stelter also asks him to evaluate news coverage of the pandemic and describe what he expects the coming months to be like.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... A new generation of White House reporters holding power to account; when TV shows become hazardous to public health; and Brian Stelter's message that "it's okay to not be okay." Piers Morgan, Juliette Kayyem, Philip Bump, Kaitlan Collins, Francesca Chambers, Adam Mosseri and Susan Wojcicki join Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In her first interview since much of the world went on "pause" due to the coronavirus crisis, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki talks with Brian Stelter about the platform's policies and strategies relating to the pandemic. Wojcicki describes the steps YouTube is taking to amplify accurate public health information, while also identifying and removing false content. Wojcicki and Stelter also discuss an uptick in news viewership; the "acceleration of our digital lives" brought on by the pandemic; and the kid-friendly parts of YouTube.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leonard Downie Jr., former executive editor of the Washington Post, shares his conclusions after writing a report for the Committee to Protect Journalists on the Trump administration and the media. Downie synthesizes three years of research and commentary about "the unprecedented hostility that President Trump has with the press, and the way in which he's trying to destroy the credibility of the news media's reporting about him." Downie says this is especially dangerous now, during a pandemic.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Senators urge stimulus funding for local newspapers and David Zurawik says "this isn't reality TV anymore." Sen. Angus King, Dean Baquet, Nicholas Kristof, Elaina Plott and David Zurawik join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's a local sports editor to do when there are no sports? What's a classical music critic to do when there are no performances? What's a food writer to do when restaurants are closed? Three writers and editors join Brian Stelter for a dialogue about how their jobs and coverage priorities have changed due to the coronavirus crisis. Louisville Courier-Journal sports editor Rana Cash talks about how her newsroom is taking an "all hands on deck approach" to cover the crisis. Cash says, "Three of my sports reporters are currently on furlough this week. And so it's more pressure and it's harder to get things done. But this is such a unique story, such an important story that I feel like people are kind of willing to kind of go the extra mile because of the weight of it. And that's from our features reporters... to all of our sports writers." New York Magazine classical music and architecture critic Justin Davidson describes New York City "on pause." The Atlanta Journal-Constitution food and dining editor Ligaya Figueras explains how her section has adjusted dramatically to the sudden shutdown. Figueras says the paper has suspended restaurant reviews and added a new "guide to ordering takeout" feature, for example.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... When Covid-19 reporting becomes a first-person story; Washington Post editor on the White House's crippled response to pandemic; Fox's fingerprints all over Trump's pandemic response; Sharing stories from front-line health care workers; and more. Gregg Gonsalves, Susan Glasser, Nisha Mehta, Marty Baron and Eric Yuan join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As the coronavirus pandemic worsens and the job market collapses, Washington Post opinion columnist Catherine Rampell talks about the "deficit in economic, business, quantitative fluency within the media" and identifies some tips to ensure journalists "are sufficiently informed to be able to push back when they're being spun" by political leaders. Rampell also dismisses the claims about a "trade-off between what we need to do to save lives, and what we need to do to salvage the economy... That's just not true."To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Amazon's Jay Carney on helping people stay connected... The New Yorker's David Remnick on federal leadership failures... and the Fox News presidency takes a dangerous turn. Maggie Haberman, Esther Choo, S.E. Cupp, Jay Carney, Stephen King, Hasan Minhaj and David Remnick join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"We are living through a united, national moment," Garrett Graff says, likening the pandemic to WWII and 9/11. Despite the "paucity of national inspirational leadership," Graff highlights how "much of the nation's response has been driven by individuals at the local level." Graff also tells Brian Stelter about his decision to compile an "oral history" about the coronavirus crisis. He says the project is vital because "we're all losing track of time... We're all stuck in a weird 'Groundhog Day' loop that is causing us to really lose sight of the momentousness of the changes in our lives."To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos on Hollywood's production halt; Julie Roginsky and Max Boot on Fox's U-turn; and much more. Jeffrey Goldberg, Sally Buzbee, Matt Murray, Dan Rather, Carl Bernstein, Julie Roginsky, Max Boot, Ted Sarandos and Randall Stephenson join Brian Stelter.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices