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Oliver Darcy and Kerry Flynn join Brian Stelter to debrief about the summer's biggest stories on the media beat, from BuzzFeed to Sally Buzbee, from right-wing media to Rachel Maddow. Flynn reflects on her conversations with new newsroom leaders and Darcy weighs in on the Biden White House's evolving relationship with the media. The trio also look ahead to the fall, discussing media companies' return to office plans, Big Lie lawsuits, and more. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... WSJ reporter shares his reporting about ABC News scandal; succession talk at "Jeopardy!" and MSNBC; and more. Azmat Khan, Anna Nelson, James Fallows, Eric Boehlert, Joe Flint, Claire Atkinson and Colleen McCain Nelson join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Los Angeles Times columnist Jean Guerrero, an outspoken critic of Larry Elder, discusses the fraught media environment around the California gubernatorial recall, and why Elder is such a contentious candidate. She discusses different narratives about Gavin Newsom's time as governor and the recent increase in national news coverage of the recall effort. She says Elder's standoffs with the press hurt the public: "He's not being challenged on what he's actually proposing because he's refusing to talk to reporters who actually know what he stands for." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... MAGA media outlets are on an anti-democratic crusade; Fox's vaccine rhetoric versus corporate reality; meet the reporter who upended "Jeopardy!" and unseated Mike Richards; and more. Clarissa Ward, Saad Mohseni, Matthew Dowd, Amanda Marcotte, Oliver Darcy and Claire McNear join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

BuzzFeed reporter and Nieman fellow Joe Bernstein talks about his Harper's cover story on "Big Disinfo," the rise of a new industry dedicated to combating disinformation. "What I wanted to push back against is a kind of a dominant framing in the media... that implies or outright says that lies and propaganda on social media, specifically on Facebook, on YouTube, on Twitter, are measurably responsible for the deep issues in American society," he says. He also identifies ways forward for the study and coverage of disinformation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clarissa Ward, Susan Glasser and Fareed Zakaria analyze breaking news from Afghanistan; Discovery fights to protect its Polish news network; Rachel Maddow considers leaving MSNBC; and more. Clarissa Ward, Susan Glasser, Fareed Zakaria, Stephen Shackelford, Lachlan Cartwright and U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Megan Stack, a contributor to The New Yorker, discusses her recent article about the Pentagon's "de-facto press blackout" in Afghanistan, plus the threats to members of the media in the country. She describes the U.S. military's concerns about how coverage of the troop withdrawal could hurt America's image, saying "they know that any photograph that looks sort of unvictorious, that looks that looks like giving up and kind of quitting" might be useful "to foreign adversaries." Stack analyzes the Taliban's advances and says the image feared by U.S. officials -- a helicopter evacuation reminiscent of the Fall of Saigon -- could wind up being seen. Stack also reflects on two decades of Afghan war coverage and says "I found it very difficult to reconcile how little the U.S. public does seem to understand or engage with the extent of what's happened and what our government has done. I find that very jarring, especially because I gave so many years of my life and I have friends who died covering those stories, and it's sort of frustrating... I feel like people have done great coverage over the years and it just hasn't quite penetrated." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Dr. Nisha Mehta on Covid's grim reality; Andrew Sullivan on what the media missed about Provincetown; Dana Bash on the art of the interview; and more. John Avlon, Yasmeen Serhan, David Zurawik, Casey Seiler, Dana Bash, Dr. Nisha Mehta and Andrew Sullivan join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When is it appropriate for journalists to take a side? When is it okay for journalists to participate in a march or use a political hashtag? NPR recently addressed these questions with a revision to its ethics policy. Poynter SVP Kelly McBride, who also serves as NPR's public editor, discusses the policy changes and what they mean for the public radio outlet and the journalism industry more broadly. She says "good journalism and having an opinion about a moral position" should not be mutually exclusive," and points out, "When you talk to journalists of color who are trying to make their way in American newsrooms, they are disproportionately harmed by these conflict of interest policies." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: Why the MyPillow CEO's delusions endanger democracy; Jared Holt on a "parallel media universe;" and more. Robby Soave, Oliver Darcy, Dr. Celine Gounder, Emily Woodruff, Keisha Rowe, Leida Gore, Anne Applebaum, Jared Holt and Rep. Jackie Speier join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cincinnati pediatrician Dr. Nicole Baldwin, who recently asked President Biden about vaccine misinformation at a CNN town hall, talks with Brian Stelter about what she's seeing on the front lines of the vaccination effort. She describes the challenges she faces on social platforms and in her community, offering tips for tackling misinformation. She points out, "The anti-vaccine community doesn't have to prove anything... As long as they plant that seed of doubt... they've won." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Following up with Dr. Nicole Baldwin, who questioned Biden at CNN's town hall; Ruth Ben-Ghiat on "strongman" propaganda techniques; Claire Atkinson on NBC going for gold in the "streaming Olympics;" and more. Andy Slavitt, Carl Bernstein, Oliver Darcy, Ruth Ben-Ghiat, Claire Atkinson and Julie K. Brown join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Phillip Smith is the founder and director of the Google News Initiative Startups Bootcamp, which trains journalists to launch digital news sites in eight weeks. Smith joins Brian Stelter to discuss the "skills crossover" for journalists; how they can “grow financially viable, award-winning digital newsrooms;" and what can sometimes go wrong. Smith shares takeaways from the inaugural bootcamp in 2020 and describes the application process for this year. He says this is about "a movement of people that are trying to address needs that are no longer being met" in their communities. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... The big question for reporters writing Trump books; Perry Bacon, Jr. on "core values" for newsrooms; "Culture of Fear" author Barry Glassner on Covid-19 coverage; and more. Brian Boland, Perry Bacon, Jr., Charlotte Alter, Michael Wolff, Susan Glasser and Barry Glassner join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For several years The Atlantic staff writer David Frum cautioned against the "too-easy" use of the word "fascism" to describe Donald Trump's movement. But he now believes the word is useful for political analysis of American politics. There are different "varieties of fascism," Frum says, but some characteristics are clearly present in the reactions to the January 6 attack and the recent rhetoric from Trump. Brian Stelter asks Frum to assess how the former president should be covered by the news media. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nikki Usher shares insights from her new book "News for the Rich, White, and Blue: How Place and Power Distort American Journalism." Usher, an associate professor at University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign​, says "quality journalism" is increasingly reaching affluent and urban consumers at the expense of others. Plus, "the people who still trust American journalism are overwhelmingly liberal," she says. But the journalism itself "really perpetuates existing power structures, leaving a lot of those 'blue' readers fundamentally unsatisfied." She discusses how subscription business models exacerbate these trends and offers some "proposals," like making journalism "more inclusive." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Running out of words to describe the climate crisis; a reporter's notebook from Kabul; will Bill Cosby speak out, and will anyone listen? Dr. Jonathan Reiner, Oliver Darcy, Sara Fischer, David Sanger, Jennifer Epstein, Anna Coren, Emily Atkin and David Wallace-Wells join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Monica Richardson, who became the top editor of the Miami Herald six months ago, talks with Brian Stelter about the Herald’s first week of coverage of the condo collapse and why she expects "this story to go on for at least a year." Richardson describes how the newsroom initially mobilized to cover the collapse; why staffers from all across the newsroom have turned into disaster reporters; and how the organization set up a “Surfside bureau” for staffers to collaborate and recharge. She also shares the takeaways from a recent training session about grappling with trauma; talks about "sustaining our mental health" over the long haul; and touches on her priorities as executive editor. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Adam Serwer on his new book "The Cruelty is the Point;" reinventing the Los Angeles Times; and more. Adam Serwer, Rick Hutzell, Patrick Soon-Shiong and Kevin Merida join Brian Stelter on an abbreviated episode. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In their first joint interview, Los Angeles Times owner and executive chairman Patrick Soon-Shiong and newly-appointed executive editor Kevin Merida join Brian Stelter and answer questions about the future of the publication. "We're competing for subscriptions" and competing for peoples' time and money, Merida says. "I want to be the most exciting, innovative media company that exists, anchored out in California." He talks about expanding into new areas, from comedy to poetry, and turning the publication into a much larger media company. Soon-Shiong reaffirms his commitment to the outlet; addresses his role in Alden Global Capital's takeover of Tribune Publishing; and shares his view of what the government should do to balance the local news playing field. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... David French on 'the nationalization of outrage;' Mark Simon on the police raid at the Apple Daily newspaper in Hong Kong and how it's having a chilling effect on the press in Hong Kong; and more. Drew Shenkman, Katelyn Polantz, David Zurawik, Jennifer Mercieca, David French, Elaine Yu and Mark Simon join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Rosen, who teaches journalism at NYU and authors the PressThink blog, discusses the devolution of Fox News; the difficulty of describing a "shifted political universe" in the United States; and the need for news outlets to be "much more explicitly and aggressively pro-democracy." He says "Fox is becoming in some way more demand-driven" because "its audience is in the driver's seat in a way that's more extreme than when Roger Ailes ran the network." For example, Rosen comments, "Do you want January 6 to be the fault of Antifa? You can have that. Do you want Trump to have won the 2020 election? You can have that." Rosen explains that "these kinds of maneuvers are attempting to sever people from reality so that you can do what you want with them... to just sort of de-anchor people from anything that they have in common with their fellow citizens so that they can be manipulated further. And that's why it's so insidious." Rosen says "journalists have to rethink and rebuild their routines" to cover this new political universe. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Inside The AP's meeting with Israeli officials; James Murdoch versus his father Rupert; new hope for missing journalist Austin Tice? Sam Feist, Oliver Darcy, Amanda Carpenter, Ruth Eglash, Ian Phillips, Stephen Engelberg and Mike Holtzman join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New York Times contributing op-ed writer Thomas Edsall warns about Republicans attempting to enforce "white political dominance;" anti-democratic trends in American politics; and the blind spots he sees in media coverage. "Trump and the Republican Party have created a real dilemma for the media," he tells Brian Stelter. "When you have a party that is moving in this extreme fashion, how do we in the media describe it?" Stelter also asks Edsall about bridging the academic and journalistic worlds, pointing to the staggering amount of academic research on "democratic decline," and why this is "not just an ivory tower issue." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Why spying on journalists is an affront to the First Amendment; and a sneak peek at the new reporting in Brian Stelter's book "Hoax." Kaitlan Collins, Adam Goldman, Dan Abrams, Steven Waldman and Jen Psaki join the conversation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Judd Legum, the founder of the Popular Information newsletter, discusses his three years of reporting on "the delta between what corporations say" and what they do. Legum explains his early success on Substack, the power of the newsletter format, and his expertise diving into "troves of information, whether that's FEC, SEC, the Facebook ad library," or other sources. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... One-on-one with AP managing editor after social media firestorm; the link between far-right media sources and conspiracies; how One America News is boosting the bogus Arizona election audit; and more. Daniel Ziblatt, Matt Skibinski, Kyung Lah, David Leonhardt, Brian Carovillano and Rose and Buddy Fenster join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN's Kyung Lah discusses her reporting on the bogus Arizona audit and the role of far-right outlet One America News in the saga. "This is not about right versus left," she says. "This is about truth and lies, and we cannot be afraid to call it a lie." Brian Stelter asks about local coverage of the GOP recount; the "pool" that takes turns observing; and the posture of local officials in Maricopa County. Lah also recounts her viral interview with the president of the Arizona state senate, who defended the credibility of conspiracy-laden OAN. Lah comments on being the proverbial canary in the coal mine, as Maricopa County is "the next page of the Big Lie playbook." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Biden breaks from Trump and Obama on leak probes; Tribune's sale and the fragile future of local news; Chicago mayor sparks debate over diversity and media access; social media guidelines gone awry at the AP? Claire Atkinson, Nicole Hemmer, Perry Bacon Jr., Edward-Isaac Dovere, Gregory Pratt, Max Foster and John Ware join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Joan Donovan, the research director for the Shorenstein Center at Harvard’s Kennedy School, has become a leading voice in the fight against digital disinformation. She shares her insights with Brian Stelter, exploring the links between the current media landscape and the Occupy movement ten years ago; underscoring the importance of algorithms and platform policies; and touching on important concepts for average platform "users" and lawmakers alike. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... "Mask confusion" and how the press can help model a return to normal; Sally Buzbee previews her new role running The Washington Post; Jake Tapper shares his novel-writing secrets; and more. Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, Sally Buzbee, David French, Jocelyn Benson, Ari Berman, Peter Wehner, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Jake Tapper join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jim Campbell, radio host and author of the new book "Madoff Talks: Uncovering the Untold Story Behind the Most Notorious Ponzi Scheme in History," discusses his years of correspondence with Bernie Madoff, and how he gained unique access to report out an exhaustive insider account of Madoff's crimes. Brian Stelter asks about the timing of the book, given that it was released just two weeks after Madoff died in prison. He also asks about media coverage of Madoff over the decades. Campbell says he believes he's the last person who will "try and put the whole case together." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... How Covid-19 coverage is shifting across the media landscape; meet two Tribune reporters who are issuing last-hour pleas for local ownership; can pro-Trump media outlets change the way we remember the Capitol riot? David Zurawik, Amanda Marcotte, Susan Glasser, Dan P. McAdams, Devlin Barrett, Brad Stone, Liz Bowie and Larry McShane join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rana Ayyub, a journalist based in Mumbai and a Washington Post global opinions writer, describes the perilous state of the pandemic in India and the limitations on journalists who are covering the crisis. "The carnage continues unabated," she says. But "how do you also report at a time when your own family members are losing their lives?" Ayyyb also discusses the media's relationship with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. She says "journalism is happening in India, but the gatekeepers are not allowing the truth to kind of get on the front pages." She asserts that "everything has been taken over by the Modi government. It's a one-man show." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... One-on-one with New York Times Opinion editor Kathleen Kingsbury; Daniel Dale's data about Biden's first 100 days; the shifting tone of Covid coverage; and more. Eli J. Finkel, Daniel Dale, Nicole Hemmer, Oliver Darcy, Zeynep Tufekci, David Leonhardt, Kathleen Kingsbury and Bill Carter join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN entertainment and media reporters Chloe Melas, Lisa Respers France and Frank Pallotta analyze the end of awards season, the tentative reopening of movie theaters, and shifting streaming release strategies. The big question: What is the post-pandemic entertainment world going to look like? Respers France underscores the importance of "community," asserting that "Hollywood is going to have to change because we've changed." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Analyzing the media’s coverage of Biden’s first 100 days; how anti-media rhetoric finds its way into judicial opinions; the Oscar-nominated director China doesn't want you to see; and more. Errol Louis, David Zurawik, Adrienne Broaddus, April Ryan, Ron Brownstein, Marty Golingan, Caolan Robertson, RonNell Anderson Jones and Anders Hammer. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kurt Repanshek is the founder and editor-in-chief of National Parks Traveler, the country's only news outlet dedicated to covering national parks and protected areas, and an early entrant to the now-growing group of nonprofit newsrooms. Repanshek joins Brian Stelter during National Parks Week to discuss his nimble operation, the significance of its nonprofit status, and the immense challenges he faces covering this broad and dynamic beat. He also touches on funding issues within the National Parks Service system, noting that "politics greatly intrude on efforts to cover the parks." Climate change is also an urgent part of the parks story, he says: From Cape Cod to the Grand Canyon, "just about everywhere you look in the national park system, there is a climate change story." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This bonus podcast episode contains Brian Stelter's entire interview with former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. They discuss the international influence of Rupert Murdoch's media empire; the impact of Murdoch's climate denialism; the growing family divide between brothers Lachlan and James Murdoch; Fox's "imitators in the right wing media ecosystem;" and more. Turnbull says Rupert "has to take responsibility for what he has done." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... the red news-blue news divide over vaccines; lessons learned from coverage of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause; a changing of the guard in America's newsrooms; and more. Kyle Pope, Oliver Darcy, Abene Clayton, Sara Sidner, Miguel Marquez, Laurel Bristow, Claire Atkinson and Malcolm Turnbull join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Susan, Linda, Nina & Cokie: The Extraordinary Story of the Founding Mothers of NPR” is coming out to coincide with the fiftieth anniversary of NPR’s “All Things Considered.” Author Lisa Napoli joins Brian Stelter to discuss the public radio network’s experimental beginnings, as seen through the experiences of the four "founding mothers" — Susan Stamberg, Linda Wertheimer, Nina Totenberg and Cokie Roberts. What lessons can be gleaned from NPR's origin story, especially for newsrooms looking to improve how they represent the communities they cover? To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Clarissa Ward responds to criticism of her Myanmar reporting trip; Katie Benner shares insights about the Matt Gaetz investigation; Robby Soave argues that the "60 Minutes" story on Ron DeSantis feeds distrust in the media. Jonathan Greenblatt, Philip Bump, Amanda Carpenter, Matt Gertz, Katie Benner, Robby Soave and Clarissa Ward join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Claire McNear, author of the definitive "Jeopardy!" book, "Answers in the Form of Questions," talks with Brian Stelter about the impact of Alex Trebek's death, the search for a new host, and the views of the "contestant community." McNear says the guest hosting slots may not be "tryouts," per se, and reveals the secrecy that has surrounded the guest hosting process. She also previews some surprises that might be in store later this spring. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Derek Thompson on "The Pandemic's Wrongest Man," Kate Bennett on the confessions in Hunter Biden's memoir, and David Zurawik on Matt Gaetz's quest for media stardom. Sara Sidner, Kethevane Gorjestani, Jim Acosta, Annie Karni, Abigail Tracy, David Zurawik and Derek Thompson join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter debriefs on the first three months of 2021 with CNN senior media editor An Phung and media reporters Kerry Flynn and Oliver Darcy. From major newsroom leader resignations, to the "personalization" of journalism, to defamation lawsuits, they identify and digest the biggest themes in the media business and share their predictions for the coming months. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Mary Trump on her uncle's media addiction; Dr. Sanjay Gupta on media coverage of Covid-19; Jon Karl on the relative lack of leaks from the Biden White House; and a look at what happens when the "narrative" overshadows the news. Amanda Marcotte, Greg Sargent, Jonathan Karl, Stephen Shackelford, Oliver Darcy, Mary Trump and Dr. Sanjay Gupta join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The never-ending cycle of mass killing coverage has exposed the limits of journalism and "those limits are painful," veteran journalist John Temple says. Temple talks with Brian Stelter about his experience covering the Columbine massacre in 1999 and says "there was a sense that something would change" in the aftermath. Now, however, there's "this feeling that we're just going in a loop" after every tragedy, he says. Speaking in the wake of mass murders in Atlanta and Boulder, Temple talks about storytelling methods, the line between reporting and advocacy, and the moral dimensions of news coverage. He also points out that "the human cost on the journalists is enormous because it's day after day of grief." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... BBC anchor Clive Myrie on the "toxic media environment" in the US and the UK's regulation of TV networks; Brian Stelter says "you are what you watch, and it could make you sick." Dr. Seema Yasmin, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, David French, Rep. Ilhan Omar, Connie Chung, Michelle Ye Hee Lee and Clive Myrie join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What are the functions of climate journalism? With polarization preventing consensus, where do reporters meet their audience? John Sutter, Emily Atkin and Emily Holden share insights about covering the climate crisis in a roundtable discussion. Atkin, who writes the HEATED newsletter, says she is not preaching to the choir, she is "teaching the choir how to sing." Holden talks about her new nonprofit outlet Floodlight and the value of newsroom collaboration. Sutter, a filmmaker and CNN climate analyst, describes how climate coverage has evolves and shares his hopes for the first installment of his documentary series "Baseline." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Media coverage of Gov. Andrew Cuomo; President Biden's press strategy; and Alec MacGillis on his new book 'Fulfillment,' exploring America, Amazon and extreme inequality. S.E. Cupp, David Zurawik, April Ryan, Erik Wemple, Jennifer Morrell, Jessica Huseman, Alec MacGillis and Trisha Goddard join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices