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Jane Lytvynenko, Julia Davis and Bianna Golodryga share tips for navigating social media during war in Ukraine and analyze Russia state-owned media's conduct. Plus, David French says the battleground is full of unknowns; Ekaterina Kotrikadze of TV Rain describes working in Russia under government pressure; and Jon Favreau previews President Biden's State of the Union address. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Markus Dohle talks with Brian Stelter about making a personal donation of $500,000 to PEN America to combat the censorship of books. Dohle says there is a "theme" behind the current wave of book bans in the United States and observes that "bad things follow after the written word is suppressed." Dohle also discusses the state of the publishing business and makes a bullish case for the future of print. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Peyronnin, a former president of Fox News, talks about the network's over-the-top criticism of Hillary Clinton and other Democrats. Plus, Clarissa Ward shares how journalists are verifying info in Ukraine and Russia; David Zurawik reacts to the latest revelations about the shakeup at CNN; David Leonhardt discusses the media's "balancing act" as the Omicron surge wanes; and Kelly Weill previews her new book "Off The Edge" about conspiracy culture. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How influential is media consumption on Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy? What are the long-lasting effects of vaccine disinformation? Katherine Ognyanov discusses these questions and shares new data from a multi-university study of vaccine misperceptions. "People who believe they're vaccine experts are more likely to hold misconceptions," she says. Ognyanov is a professor at Rutgers and one of the founders of the COVID States Project. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeremy Peters and Sonia Moghe share observations about the Sarah Palin v. New York Times trial. Plus, Donie O'Sullivan discusses his interview with 'Freedom Convoy' participants in Canada; Gretchen Carlson heralds passage of a landmark #MeToo bill; and Peters describes lessons from his new book "Insurgency." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tristan Harris, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology, says social media companies are competing for a "finite supply of human attention" and becoming more aggressive to get it. Harris expands on his ideas from "The Social Dilemma" and discusses threats to democracies around the world. Plus, he argues that the United States must focus on "protecting its digital borders" with adversaries now throwing "information bombs" online. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanne Lipman, Mara Schiavocampo, Ken Auletta, David Zurawik, and Claire Atkinson all join Brian Stelter with analysis. Plus: Senator Amy Klobuchar discusses a bipartisan effort to level the playing field with Big Tech, and "Red Carpet" author Erich Schwartzel talks about China's soft power and influence in Hollywood. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter shares the latest reporting about the sudden resignation of CNN boss Jeff Zucker. Claire Atkinson of Insider, Sara Fischer of Axios and Oliver Darcy of CNN analyze the news and what it means for the network. "It's like 'The Sopranos' and 'The Godfather' all rolled into one story," Atkinson says. The reporters also discuss the CNN+ streaming service, ABC News turmoil, and Rachel Maddow's hiatus from her MSNBC program. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanda Ripley joins Brian Stelter with secrets to de-escalating disputes. Plus, Oliver Darcy and Philip Bump discuss anonymous sourcing in light of the Tom Brady retirement stories; Shelby Talcott talks about Biden White House coverage; Kat Rosenfield likens Joe Rogan to "a weed;" Nic Robertson reports on Russian TV's interest in Tucker Carlson; and "Jeopardy!" victor Amy Schneider reflects on her winning streak. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shira Ovide, author of the On Tech newsletter for The New York Times, talks about the power of technology "empires;" the implications of the recent Microsoft-Activision deal; and what the blurred reality of the "metaverse" might look like. She discusses her recent columns and analyzes how lawmakers and regulators are reckoning with companies that are "as powerful as a government." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus, do doom-and-gloom perceptions match reality? Oliver Darcy and Catherine Rampell discuss "negativity bias in the media." Later, Jeffrey Toobin previews Sarah Palin v. New York Times; John Harris discusses the importance of media institutions; and Brian Stelter visits a middle school where students are learning about news literacy. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Della Volpe, author of the new book "Fight: How Gen Z Is Channeling Their Fear and Passion to Save America," talks with Brian Stelter about how and why teens and young adults are misunderstood. He shares his optimistic view of the generation; discusses the news events that have shaped their opinions and values; and the role of TikTok and other social media in their lives. He also says Generation Z is "turning away from traditional media to preserve their mental health." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joe Lockhart and Alyssa Farah Griffin discuss the media's coverage. Plus, Olivia Nuzzi talks about her quest to interview Dr. Oz; Kate Starbird and Caroline Orr Bueno dissect Covid misinformation; and Steven Brill and Gordon Crovitz share their experience building NewsGuard, a startup that is supplying credibility ratings for news sites. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jessica Lessin, founder of The Information, talks about her own company's profitable business model and takes stock of the digital media universe. She discusses Substack, Axios, Puck, and other new media ventures. She says "influencer journalism," signified by star writers churning out newsletter copy, should not be the primary mode of news production. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Katie Harbath says Facebook and Twitter need more "guardrails." Plus, Dr. Lucy McBride addresses Covid-19 anxieties and "doomsday doctors," and former Ted Cruz staffer Amanda Carpenter reacts to Cruz's groveling on Tucker Carlson's show. Later, Carl Bernstein previews his new memoir "Chasing History." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wall Street Journal reporter John Jurgensen talks with Brian Stelter about the success of "Yellowstone," the Paramount Network drama that attracted more than 10 million viewers for its most recent season. Jurgensen says it may be "tempting to think streaming has flattened the world," but "Yellowstone" shows that cable can still be a launchpad for big hits. Now ViacomCBS is using the cowboy soap opera to lure subscribers over to its streaming service. Jurgensen and Stelter also discuss other trends on the television beat. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two reporters open up about lingering trauma from covering the Jan. 6 attack. Plus, David Frum analyzes the rise in political violence and addresses America's "new normal." Later, Kara Swisher shares where Big Tech is taking us in 2022. Guests: Grace Segers, Hunter Walker, Nicole Hemmer, Ryan Reilly, David Frum, and Kara Swisher. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The top editors of The AP and Reuters come together for a conversation about 2021 news and 2022 priorities. Plus, Brian interviews the outgoing head of the Committee to Protect Journalists; a member of the media who was evacuated from Afghanistan; and the editor of the humor website The Onion. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oliver Darcy and Brian Stelter debrief about 2021's biggest stories at the intersection of media, politics, business, and culture. The two also look ahead to the new year, discussing cable news line-up changes, Fox’s future in "conspiracy land," and Facebook's response to vaccine disinformation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Leonhardt and Katherine Wu discuss how Covid risk calculations are changing. Derek Thompson says there are "three circles of risk." Plus, Carl Bernstein says the voting rights fight is the top story for newsrooms. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former "60 Minutes" producer turned journalism professor Peter Klein says some American news outlets have a "problematic" approach to global reporting. He says he was motivated to start a nonprofit, the Global Reporting Center, to support deep reporting and collaboration. He discusses his center's work and the power of partnerships with scholars and experts. Klein also looks back at his time at "60 Minutes" and his work with Lara Logan, who is now an incendiary commentator on Fox. Klein says he and other former colleagues have been worried about Logan and ultimately embarrassed by her transition from respected reporter to fringe Fox "actor." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter speaks with newspaper publishers in Kentucky and Tennessee about the recovery from Friday's tornado outbreak. Plus, why is Tucker Carlson so popular on Russian TV? CNN reports on how the Fox echo chamber fuels Russian propaganda. And was the outcome of the Jussie Smollett trial also a guilty verdict for the media? SE Cupp, Will Bunch, Julia Ioffe, Bill Evans, Daniel Richardson, and Jay Rosen join Brian. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Rosen says newsrooms need to stand for "pro-democracy, pro-truth, pro-science, pro-evidence, pro-voting." The journalism professor at NYU shares thoughts about how to recalibrate and "redesign" news coverage. The biggest hurdle for journalists, he says, is recognizing how "the routines and assumptions of political journalism" collapse when covering GOP extremism and Donald Trump's lies. Rosen also responds to Jonathan Karl's recent remarks about the challenge of covering Trump, and he makes the case that some voters are now in an "information loop of their own." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus…Julie K. Brown on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial giving rise to new conspiracies; an anti-vax Christian broadcast network CEO died from complications due to Covid-19 after downplaying the virus; former Republican Senator and Presidential candidate Bob Dole dies at the age of 98; and more. Mara Schiavocampo, Sara Fischer, David Zurawik, Bob Smietana, Eric Boehlert, Julie K. Brown join Brain Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Andrew Miller, author of the new HBO oral history "Tinderbox," shares what he learned through his interviews with five decades of network executives, stars and producers. HBO created a "whole new pathway for people to experience television," he says. But now it is under tremendous pressure from the likes of Netflix. Miller also discusses the impacts of the AT&T-Time Warner deal and his interviews with media moguls about the pending combination of WarnerMedia and Discovery. Referring to the streaming race, he says "it's a really expensive war" and "not everyone is going to make it." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Brian Stelter says Biden's detractors are shaping the "metastory" of his presidency; a Colorado anchor calls out Rep. Lauren Boebert and the media; a new report says "democratic backsliding" is underway in United States; and more. Kyle Clark, Magdi Semrau, Chris Arnade, Susan Glasser, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, Annika Silva-Leander, and Larry Hobbs join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter shares his previous experience as a balloon handler in the Thanksgiving parade, and he talks with Wesley Whatley, a creative producer at Macy's, who helps plan the festivities every year. Whatley reflects on the nearly 100-year "tradition" of the parade; his role selecting marching bands and other performers from across the country; and the importance of both the in-person experience and the television broadcast. Plus, Whatley asks Stelter about his balloon-flying skills and Whatley describes the moment Kermit sang a song he wrote. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... David Zurawik discusses Rupert Murdoch's jab at Donald Trump; Brian Stelter describes "news whiplash;" Katelyn Polantz explains what we're not seeing during the Jan. 6 prosecutions in federal court; and more. Jon Karl, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Rachel Stockman, David French, Katelyn Polantz, and David Zurawik join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The arrival of audience metrics went off like a "bomb" inside newsrooms like The New York Times, Caitlin Petre says. Petre researched how The Times and Gawker reckoned with analytics in very different ways. The result is her new book "All the News That's Fit to Click." Chartbeat metrics became "addictive" for some journalists as the "habit forming" offerings "mimicked digital games," encouraging users to "boost" their scores and "work harder and harder," Petre says. And for the average consumer? "Keep in mind," she says, that with every click, "you are actually sending a message or signal back to a newsroom." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: A new report offers solutions to 'information disorder;" Brian Williams' departure highlights a talent problem at MSNBC; MyPillow CEO's media empire shows the depth and breadth of the Big Lie delusion; and more. Catherine Rampell, Eric Deggans, Zachary Petrizzo, Rashad Robinson, Abigail Tracy, Art Cullen, and Beth Levison join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Media reporter Jon Allsop, speaking from the sidelines of the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow, shares his reporting and analysis about how the gathering is being covered. Allsop, the author of CJR's The Media Today newsletter, tells Brian Stelter that "this summit brings all the storylines together." He describes the unequal nature of global news coverage, citing a "huge equality problem" that is evident at the summit, and major investments by outlets like The New York Times. "This is a huge news peg," he says, but reporters will need to stay on the story and see if countries "actually follow through on the pledges that they made here." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: A Covid vaccine conspiracist within the White House press corps; a new aid for local news; why spyware is a 'worst nightmare' for journalists. Natasha Alford says. Natasha Alford, Claire Atkinson, Nicole Hemmer, Batya Ungar-Sargon, Steven Waldman, and Nicole Perlroth join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Rosenwald, the author of "Talk Radio's America," analyzes the influence of right-wing media echo chambers on the off-year elections and talks more broadly about the impact of media on voting patterns. Rosenwald also discusses some of the factors that make right-wing radio popular: hosts frame the world into good guys and villains, creating narratives that are like "pro-wrestling, a soap opera for men." He also argues there is no equivalent media ecosystem for a liberal audience. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: Kara Swisher dissects Facebook and YouTube; David Sirota critiques coverage of DC budget battles; Julie Roginsky discusses Rupert Murdoch's televised conspiracy theories. Astead Herndon, Bill Carter, Kara Swisher, David Leonhardt, Julie Roginsky, David Sirota, and Stewart Bainum join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stewart Bainum wanted to take over the Baltimore Sun but a hedge fund blocked him. So now he is launching a nonprofit news outlet in Baltimore instead. Bainum tells Brian Stelter about his interest in local news; his approach to gaining subscriptions and support; and his recruitment of Kimi Yoshino from the Los Angeles Times to run the Banner's newsroom. Bainum says his investment comes with significant risk, but the potential reward "is tremendous because it can be replicated across the country." He also reveals that he is "surveying the media landscape of Maryland" for possible partnerships and joint ventures. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: An NYU psychologist explains how identity shapes our view of reality; why Donald Trump's new social network should be taken seriously; how Fox News gave birth to a false narrative about school boards. Richard Blumenthal, Suzanne Nossel, Philip Bump, Mara Schiavocampo, Oliver Darcy, Katie Paul, and Jay Van Bavel join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nearly a decade ago, an influential review of climate-related studies found a 97% consensus about man's impact on climate change. Now a new review, led by Mark Lynas, has found a 99.9% consensus. Lynas says the science is so settled that "it is case closed." Republicans "undermining the case for action" are basing that entirely on politics, not science, he adds. Lynas discusses how "right-wing media" in the United States tends to offer "anti-scientific perspectives on climate change" and needs to start offering more "right-wing solutions." He also discusses how climate change reporting is evolving, and what to expect from COP26, a pivotal UN climate summit. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus: Why threats to American democracy should be front-page news; Pelosi and Sanders blame press for budget confusion; Brian Stelter shares a personal story about threats against journalists. Marc Elias, Robert Costa, Bari Weiss, Jen Senko, Oliver Darcy, and Matt Belloni join Brian. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bari Weiss talks about her departure from The New York Times and her reemergence as the editor of "Common Sense," a newsletter on Substack. She outlines topics that she says are "not allowed" in most news coverage and argues that people are flocking to alternatives like her publication. Weiss also identifies "disinformation by omission" and threats to free speech. Stelter asks about the business model of her publication and how she is investing subscriber revenues into growing the brand. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter on reporters versus "repeaters" in the media; why presidents make bad media critics; how the Pandora Papers were "a win for democracy." Brittany Shepherd, Meridith McGraw, Olivia Nuzzi, David Zurawik, Sara Fischer, Michael Abramowitz, and James Fallows join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jeff Horwitz first connected with Frances Haugen late last year when he was trying to meet more sources at Facebook. He eventually earned her trust and access to a trove of internal research from the company. Horwitz tells Brian Stelter what his source relationship was like; why he wondered if anyone would care about the revelations; and whether he is working on any more Facebook Files stories. Plus, Stelter asks about Horwitz's headband fashion statement. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... How to decode news coverage of Congress; a not-so-happy anniversary for Fox News; why are MAGA media stars siding with vaccine opponents? Nick Clegg, Juliette Kayyem, Susan Glasser, Charlotte Alter, Jonathan Cohn, Ben Smith and Meg Kinnard join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, the author of multiple books about the Supreme Court, discusses the court's new term and the media's coverage with Brian Stelter. Toobin previews the fall's cases involving abortion rights, the second amendment and religious freedom. He also discusses new developments in court accessibility, with audio of oral arguments being live streamed in a possible bid to stave off TV cameras. Toobin also expresses "real reservations" about whether the court can "continue to be a bulwark for democracy in the future." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... How the media should make sense of DC's budget battles; evaluating news coverage of the Gabby Petito case; explaining the Covid-19 false alarm on the set of 'The View;' and more. Timothy Snyder, Josh Marshall, Catherine Rampell, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Chris Best, Oliver Darcy, and Chloe Melas join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Best co-founded Substack in 2017. Now the company is powering thousands of newsletters and turning some writers into millionaires. Brian Stelter interviews Best about Substack's business model; the accompanying controversies; and the future of digital subscriptions. The goal, he says, is to"return control into the hands of readers and writers themselves," to "design systems and create spaces where great stuff is rewarded." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... why the phrase 'do your own research' is hurting America's Covid response; the rise of 'digital detectives' during missing persons cases; did the media overreact to 'Justice for J6' rally? Rep. Adam Smith, Mary Trump, Renee DiResta and Yael Eisenstat, Evan Osnos, and David Zurawik join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Does fall TV "premiere week" still exist and if so, how much does it matter? Are the streaming services squeezing out old-school outlets and are the broadcast networks merely "managing decline?" Brian Stelter talks with two of CNN's entertainment experts: reporter Sandra Gonzalez and critic Brian Lowry. Gonzalez describes what she calls the "This is Us" test. Plus, a preview of Sunday’s Emmy Awards! To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Will Bunch says the press saw Afghanistan as a chance to "pounce" on Biden; Trump's new fantasy about last year's election; new innovations in investigative reporting; and more. David Leonhardt, April Ryan, Will Bunch, Jean Guerrero, Emily Ramshaw, Evan Hill and Nadine Ajaka join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Publishing chains like Gannett are selling off some of their smaller papers to truly local owners. Brian Stelter speaks with two beneficiaries of this trend: Jennifer Allen, the new owner of the Hot Springs Village Voice in Arkansas, and Carol Wyatt, the returning editor of two local papers in Florida, the Holmes County Times-Advertiser and the Washington County News. Wyatt talks about rebuilding the papers by returning "to covering the local issues." She says "we are the scrapbooks of our community; we are the keeper of milestones... Even something as simple as publishing the school district's honor roll plays a part in why the community looks to their local paper." She and Allen discuss the advantages, challenges and "growing pains" they've experienced in transitioning back to "hyperlocal" ownership. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Julie Pace on her vision for the future of The Associated Press; how Rep. Nunes is using the courts to bully press; Ken Burns on Muhammad Ali's enduring legacy, and the dangers of partisan echo chambers. Ayesha Tanzeem, Leonard Pitts, Jr., Spencer Ackerman, Michael Daly, Laura Edelson, Liz Mair, David Folkenflik, Julie Pace and Ken Burns join John Avlon. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices