Reliable Sources

Brian Stelter speaks with Los Angeles Times DC bureau chief Kimbriell Kelly, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editor George Stanley, and Katie Townsend, legal director at the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. The trio of Freedom of Information experts preview Sunshine Week, a weeklong initiative promoting open government. "There's a lot more that needs to be done to increase transparency to government at both a federal level and at a local level," Kelly says. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... How the GOP takes its "cancel culture" cues from Fox; NYT columnist criticized for conflict of interest; the ups and downs of broadcasting from home during the pandemic. Diane Falzone, Sarah Ellison, Oliver Darcy, Maribel Perez Wadsworth, Richard Palmer and Kristin Meinzer join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

At the twelve-month mark of the pandemic in the United States, COVID Tracking Project co-founder Alexis Madrigal looks both backward and forward in a wide-ranging conversation with Brian Stelter. Madrigal says the volunteer pop-up collective "stumbled into a real gap in our pandemic preparedness and then have done our best to fill it." But it was necessary because of the federal government’s failures. “Going state by state” and gathering the data “in the way that we did really put us in touch with the realities of this country right now, and not our myths about how great we are,” he says. Madrigal also explains why it is now possible to “sunset” the daily data reporting, and what more still needs to be done. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Rep. David Cicilline says "local news is on life support" and shares legislative plans; Jill Filipovic on left-wing critiques of Biden coverage; Farai Chideya on people who "act based on their team, not based on facts;" and more. Dave Weigel, Katie Rogers, Jill Filipovic, Farai Chideya, Rep. David Cicilline, Marty Baron and Carolyn Ryan join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Washington Post executive editor Marty Baron joins Brian Stelter for a final interview before retiring from the Post at the end of February. They discuss his career; the Post's expansion; and the news outlet's future as well as his own retirement plans. Baron says he plans to stay "active and involved" in the news industry, just not on a full-time basis. He also talks about being an editor in the digital age; the growing importance of visual storytelling; and the transition from the Trump administration to the Biden administration. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Power and water disasters in Texas are shining a light on local news; out-of-context headlines are clouding Covid-19 vaccine news; how Ted Cruz's trip to Cancun was exposed by Twitter sleuths; and more. Emily Ramshaw, Bill Carter, Carol Leonnig, Daniel Dale, Angie Drobnic Holan, Dr. Leana Wen, Steven Guilbeault and Jeff Jarvis join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steven Waldman, the president and co-founder of Report for America, connects the dots between the local news crisis, the "financialization" of newspaper ownership, and the spread of disinformation on social media. Brian Stelter also asks Waldman about the rash of recent news about the news industry, including the international implications of the Australian proposal to have tech platforms pay publishers for news, and a hedge fund’s bid to buy Tribune Publishing. Waldman says the decline of local news coverage is "catastrophic for democracy," and proposes some solutions, including tax credits and nonprofit ownership models. "In the scale of the amount of philanthropic resources that are out there... it's actually inexpensive to fix, and yet the consequences of what's happening are so severe," he says. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Politico's editor reacts to White House aide's resignation; BBC World Service boss reacts to China's ban of the BBC; what went wrong with The New York Times' Caliphate podcast; and more. Carrie Budoff Brown, Rep. Sara Jacobs, Tina Nguyen, Erik Wemple, Lorraine Ali, Noah Shachtman and Jamie Angus join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter's better half, NY1 host Jamie Stelter, takes over the podcast for a Valentine-themed episode. Jamie surprises Brian with questions submitted via social media, covering everything from work habits to pandemic parenting, from "love language" to local news. A special Sunny guest makes an appearance at the end of the conversation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Dominion spokesman Michael Steel explains the voting tech company's legal strategy; David Folkenflik discusses the latest turmoil at The New York Times; and Dannagal Young explains the twisted psychology of conspiracy theories. Lynn Oberlander, Brittany Shepherd, Michael Steel, David Folkenflik, Dannagal Young, and Zeynep Tufekci join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonathan Swan shares what he has learned about President Trump's final weeks in office, including a feud with Fox News and a conspiracy-drenched shouting match in the Oval Office. Swan, a national political correspondent for Axios, has published a long-form investigative series called "Off the Rails" and a narrative podcast, "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand," about his reporting. "This is probably the strongest compulsion I've had in my career" and "the most driven I've been to get something out quickly," he says. "I just felt this overwhelming urgency to get it out. What I was hearing was not stuff I could sit on." Swan also explains why this deep-dive was a "dramatic departure" for Axios, otherwise known for "Smart Brevity." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Oliver Darcy says there is no real ‘civil war’ in the GOP; Brian Stelter discusses freedom of reach versus freedom of speech; what should the next era of news leadership look like? Nicholas Kristof, Tia Mitchell, Oliver Darcy, Briahna Joy Gray, Dave Weigel, Elizabeth Bruenig, Farai Chideya, and Rick Davis join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rick Davis is a living CNN legend. He was the executive producer of CNN Sports when the network launched in 1980; he was the vice president in charge of Washington programs like Reliable Sources and Inside Politics in the 90s; and he has been the executive VP for news standards and practices since 1998. With Davis retiring at the end of January, Brian Stelter asks him to share some highlights from his career and evaluate CNN's role in the news landscape. Davis shares his memories of CNN's launch; the power of "these three red letters;" and his plans for retirement. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Stuart Stevens says Rupert Murdoch is "the most dangerous immigrant in America;" Zeke Miller says the White House's new Covid protocols make the workplace "safer" for journalists; Biden-bashing has been turned up to 11 on right-wing TV. and a tribute to Larry King. Dr. Seema Yasmin, Karen Attiah, Zeke Miller, Stuart Stevens, Jay Carney, Joe Lockhart, Scot McClellan and Jim Acosta join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brian Stelter asks Ron Brownstein about how to process the years of history that have happened in just a few short weeks. Brownstein, the CNN senior political analyst and senior editor at The Atlantic, says the "big structural factor driving the politics of our era" is demographic eclipse. America is going through an "enormous demographic change that will produce a majority minority society," and as a result "the fundamental dividing line in American politics is between those who welcome and those who fear the way America is changing." Brownstein says right-wing outlets like Fox play on fear, "feeding that sense that you are under threat, that elites disdain you, and immigrants and minorities are coming to kill you... That is the drug that they offer their audience, and it's increasingly become the message of the Republican party over time." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Why a top cybersecurity expert thinks groups like Proud Boys need to be treated like ISIS online; how to cover the information crisis; and a Fox News schedule shakeup rewards opinion over news. Maggie Haberman, Alex Stamos, Christopher Krebs, Dan Shelley, Nicole Carroll, Nicole Hemmer, David Folkenflik, Eugene Daniels and Sara Sidner join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN's Sara Sidner says she felt "exposed and embarrassed" when she was overcome with emotion during a live report about the dire situation in southern California. It is what "we're taught not to do," she says. But her human reaction helped draw attention to the Covid-19 crisis, and she now says, "If it did something to help, then I'll embarrass myself every single day, all day long." Sidner and Brian Stelter discuss coverage of the pandemic; the state of emergency in and around Los Angeles; and the ways that journalists process trauma. "If it does anything to make someone think twice about walking out without a mask or not self-distancing, then then maybe it was the right moment," she says. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Congressional reporters share what they witnessed during the attack; editorial boards call for Trump and GOP senators to resign; where do we go from here? Jeffrey Goldberg, Susan Glasser, Adam Sharp, Julie Roginsky, Oliver Darcy, Alex Marquardt, Phil Mattingly, Manu Raju and Lauren Fox join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN correspondent Elle Reeve tells Brian Stelter what she witnessed in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday, January 6, from the Save America March near the White House to the riot at the Capitol. She examines the process of MAGA media radicalization that led up to the insurrection and the links to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017. Reeve explains how her team members were able to move nimbly through the mob and says the people were not all "Internet basement dwellers." She says "I don't think, as a culture, we've grappled with the way social media is a brainwashing machine." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus...Timothy Snyder on Trump's authoritarian aims; growing numbness to the Covid-19 death toll; how news outlets are exposing vaccine distribution delays; a 2021 forecast from CNN's media reporters. Timothy Snyder, Rana Cash, Astead Herndon, Emma Hurt, Dan Abrams, Dr. James Hamblin and Juliette Kayyem join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Trump declared 'war' with the media, but did he win?; 'blood sport' aspect of Trump's anti-media attacks; how Trump's unhealthy TV addiction affected all of us; Dale says, 'coverage of Biden is going to be equally rigorous'; Tapper says some reporters 'bought into' Trump's narrative; Stelter says the press works for the people, not politicians. Abby Phillip, Jeremy Diamond, Kaitlan Collins, Jim Acosta, Daniel Dale and Jake Tapper join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How will news outlets adapt to covering Biden after four years of Trump? Will there be major mergers in digital media in 2021? Who will prevail in the streaming Olympics? Oliver Darcy, Donie O'Sullivan, Kerry Flynn, Frank Pallotta and Chloe Melas join Brian Stelter to share predictions about the year ahead, from a right-wing media recalibration to a return to movie theaters. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... White House sources are sounding the alarm about Trump; Rupert Murdoch gets vaccine as his network fans flames of vaccine skepticism; what went wrong with the NYT's 'Caliphate' podcast. Elizabeth Neumann, Rosie Gray, Oliver Darcy, Margaret Sullivan, David Folkenflik and Marty Baron join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN reporters Oliver Darcy, Donie O'Sullivan, Kerry Flynn, Frank Pallotta and Chloe Melas join Brian Stelter for a bird's-eye view of a strange and surprising 2020. They discuss some of the biggest storylines of the year, from disinformation to Disney+, and identify some bright spots in a generally dark year. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Local TV anchor helps thousands fighting for unemployment benefits; the story behind Jane Mayer's story about Dianne Feinstein; when right-wing "fan fiction" replaces journalism; Trump's favorite media outlets are ignoring the pandemic; why political reporters pay attention to voters' media diets; and more... Marc Elias, Matt Lewis, S.E. Cupp, Astead Herndon, Charlotte Alter, Jane Mayer and Anne McCloy join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliette Kayyem, a Harvard lecturer and CNN national security analyst, talks about the balancing act of Covid-19 and how the coming months should be covered by the news media. She tells Brian Stelter that "the media can drive appropriate behavior" and combat pandemic fatigue. She also says the distribution of vaccines will be a “split screen” story and says responsible reporting can help with “vaccine hesitancy.” She says Fox News stars should do a public service by being vaccinated on camera. Kayyem and Stelter also discuss the role of the media more broadly during disasters, and how public trust may evolve during the Biden administration. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Tom Friedman says "I pray to God" I don't have to write more Trump columns; how the AP is handling Trump's election denialism; meet a radio host who intervenes with callers who dismiss Covid-19 dangers. Evan Osnos, Thomas Friedman, Julie Pace, David Kessler, Dr. Esther Choo, Jeff Deminski and Andrew Neil join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"There's this sort of co-creation of disinformation" about the 2020 election, resulting in a "really powerful false narrative of voter fraud that's going to be very hard to correct," Kate Starbird says. Starbird, an associate professor at the University of Washington and a co-founder of the Center for an Informed Public, calls this "participatory disinformation" and says propaganda is most effective "when it's coming from people you trust." Brian Stelter also asks about Starbird's work studying "crisis informatics" and online rumors. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Washington Post reporter Jacqueline Alemany shares her Covid-19 experience to counter deniers; press freedom experts on recovering from the ‘fake news’ era; Oliver Darcy on Fox’s ‘propaganda’ in service of Trump. Amanda Carpenter, Jonathan Rauch, Carrie Budoff Brown, Suzanne Nossel, Joel Simon, Oliver Darcy, Jacqueline Alemany and Amanda Marcotte join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What is the allure of misinformation? What are the reasons why people believe lies, and what does it take to change their minds? Brian Stelter speaks with Briony Swire-Thompson, cognitive psychologist and senior research scientist at Northeastern University's Network Science Institute, for answers. Swire-Thompson shares what her research has shown about lies, trust, and belief, and how Trumpism has changed the field of study. When it comes to conspiracy theories, Swire-Thompson says election denialism "has all the makings of a long-lasting conspiracy theory." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Brian Stelter says Trump officials dodging questions is a sign of weakness; what election denialism and Covid skepticism have in common; how Newsmax TV is pressuring Fox from the right; and more. Kaitlan Collins, Brendan Nyhan, Errol Louis, Jane Lytvynenko, Jim VandeHei, Kent Bush, Dave Bundy and Sarah Seifert join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patrice Peck, multimedia journalist and author of the Coronavirus News for Black Folks newsletter, talks with Brian Stelter about how her newsletter highlighted health disparities that have been aggravated by the pandemic. Peck reflects on the role of Black journalists and storytellers historically, and how the media business is transforming now. Peck also touches on her use of the newsletter platform Substack and the "opportunity" it has to better spotlight new content creators. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Brian Stelter says Fox is facing competition like never before; Carl Bernstein says there is a 'civil war of untruth' in America; reporters want Biden to be more accessible; is Trump trying to turn his voters into subscribers? Julie Roginsky, Carl Bernstein, Sam Donaldson, Dr. Seema Yasmin, Molly Ball and Michael Kruse join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A podcast about Trump-related podcasts! "Trump, Inc." co-host Andrea Bernstein, "Pod Save America" co-host Dan Pfeiffer, and "Trumpcast" host Virginia Heffernan join Brian Stelter to discuss the election results, the media’s responsibility, and the future of their shows. Heffernan describes having "coup-xiety" around Trump's refusal to concede or commit to a smooth transition. Bernstein explains how the story of "Trump, Inc." will continue after he leaves the White House. Pfeiffer says Trumpism will outlast the Trump presidency: "The threats, the problems in our political system, the miasma of misinformation that allowed someone like Trump to be elected still exists." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Abby Phillip reflects on Election Week; Jeffrey Goldberg recommends a post-Trump pivot; Jon Karl talks about the Trump show’s ‘series finale;’ Oliver Darcy says Fox is enabling Trump's election denialism; Ann Selzer answers questions about 2020 election polls. TJ Ducklo, Jeffrey Goldberg, Abby Phillip, Jonathan Karl, Oliver Darcy, Evan Osnos, Chris Ruddy and Ann Selzer join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... What reporters are saying about the election in private; Susan Glasser says damage to election credibility "has already been done"; how will TV networks handle bogus Trump claims on election night?; CNN reporters on responding to Trump era technique to "flood the zone with sh*t..." Susan Glasser, Philip Bump, Olivia Nuzzi, Sam Feist, Oliver Darcy and Donie O'Sullivan join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

BuzzFeed News media editor Craig Silverman joins Brian Stelter to analyze the evolution of "fake news," a term he began using in 2014 to describe the very real phenomenon of misinformation on social media. With the 2020 election nearing an end, he reflects on Trump's weaponization of the term and the impact of four years of anti-media rhetoric. "What happened to the term 'fake news' is a great little case study in how our information environment works," he says. He also discusses the digital disinformation beat, sites like Facebook, and what the platforms are still failing to do. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... The Murdoch media machine's anti-Biden narrative; priorities for the press between now and election day; local papers are losing physical newsrooms; how emotions drive our news diet and our votes. Kirsten Powers, John Harris, Larry Wilmore, Michelle Ciulla Lipkin, Sally Buzbee and Drew Westen join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New York Times chief TV critic James Poniewozik argues that President Trump's reality TV tendencies, and his reliance on "button-pushing, shocking stuff" to sustain attention from viewers or voters, has contributed to a feeling of "burnout" over time. Trump is so immersed in conservative media narratives, Poniewozik says, "that he can sort of only speak its language, and has a hard time speaking outside it." Poniewozik also suggests that Americans have become more adept at spotting reality and drama TV tropes through Trump, and he likens Joe Biden to an episode of “Antiques Roadshow,” in this conversation with Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Charlotte Alter on swing state voters gripped by 'unlogic;' Yochai Benkler on a looming test for American democracy; are Murdoch outlets positioning themselves for a Trump loss? Anne Applebaum, Yochai Benkler, Noah Shachtman, Charlotte Alter and Andrew Sullivan join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why are political polls trustworthy? What are TV networks doing to prepare for Election Night? Brian Stelter asks Jennifer Agiesta, the director of polling and election analytics for CNN. Agiesta talks about the impact of millions of early votes; the role of the decision desk; and the process for making projections. She also addresses common misconceptions about polling and the findings from CNN’s new polling project called The Breakthrough. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Dan Rather on coverage of Trump's physical and mental health; Tom Friedman calls out 'voter suppression enterprise;' is there 'reticence' to report on Biden's big lead in the polls? Dan Rather, Tom Friedman, Jennifer Mercieca, Oliver Darcy, Brandon Borrman, Ryan Lizza and Clare Malone join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Carlos Lozada's new book "What Were We Thinking: A Brief Intellectual History of the Trump Era" is about his exploration of Trump-related tomes, from insider tell-alls to works on race, gender and identity. He tells Brian Stelter that some of the most revelatory books about this era are barely about Trump at all. Among his many findings: "Accepting Trump's lies is not really about belief, it's about allegiance." Also: "We've made this era all about Trump... He is constantly the man at the middle of the story, and that may not be the wisest way to think about it." For example, Lozada says "we obsess over the border because Donald Trump obsesses over the border," but "a lot of the most significant stories about immigration are happening far from the border." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Masha Gessen on comparisons between the Trump White House and the Soviet Union; how Ronald Reagan's White House handled his health crisis; WHCA president on press corps precautions. Masha Gessen, Carl Cameron, Margaret Sullivan, Susan Glasser, Zeke Miller, David Gergen and Mark Weinberg join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In a wide-ranging interview with Brian Stelter, Dr. Anthony Fauci opens up about his media approach and the "critical" importance of communication during a public health crisis. Fauci addresses "outlandish" reporting from Fox News and other right-wing outlets; describes how he handles his relationship with President Trump; and discusses his recommended news sources. This conversation was held in conjunction with World News Day. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Maria Ressa's warning about Facebook and misinformation; Brian Karem's astonishment at his exchange with Trump. Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr., Mark Lukasiewicz, Molly Jong-Fast, Brian Karem, Sam Feist and Maria Ressa join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oliver Darcy, Donie O'Sullivan, Kerry Flynn, Frank Pallotta and Chloe Melas join Brian Stelter for a once-a-quarter conversation about the media industry, misinformation and more. Darcy and O'Sullivan discuss "echo chambers" that radicalize voters. Flynn and Melas analyze the impact of the Black Lives Matter movement on newsrooms and Hollywood. Pallotta looks at how the media business is faring during the pandemic. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Len Downie's tips for covering for the coming election chaos; David Zurawik on Supreme Court coverage; how C-SPAN helped us hear the pandemic pain. Luke Harding, Rana Ayyub, John-Allan Namu, Julie Cohen, David Zurawik, Nikole Hannah-Jones and Leonard Downie, Jr. join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Atlantic staff writer Megan Garber says "we sometimes don't have satisfying languages" for talking about Fox News. Garber talks with Brian Stelter about his new book "Hoax" and her essay titled "Do You Speak Fox?" She says the network employs the "rhetoric of warfare" and "us" versus "them" themes that have "infiltrated the way that we approach the world in a really basic level." To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Plus... Reed Hastings on Netflix's culture and competitive set; Clarissa Ward's messages for young journalists; and Jon Karl on the moment he asked Trump 'Why did you lie?' Sam Donaldson, Dr. Seema Yasmin, Bill Carter, Mary Trump, Jonathan Karl, Clarissa Ward and Reed Hastings join Brian Stelter. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices