New Podcast Let Us Reason - A Christian/Muslim Dialogue

Dr Jay Smith discusses the book that Dr Asma Hilali wrote on the Sana Palimpsest manuscripts. He talks about the conclusions that she came up with by comparing it to todays Hafs Quran; she says that there are seventy variants in sixty three verses. She also believes that it is a student text. Jay says that that shuts down the idea of the preservation of the Quran which both Muslim and the Quran claim ( ie Sura 85: 21,22). Then Jay and Al discuss some of the differences as examples. Then they ask the question : Is the Quran perfectly preserved?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Sana manuscripts is a palimpsest manuscripts ; which means that there is a lower and upper layers of writing . Scholars say that the two writings are late seventh and early eighth century respectively. They think that it is two versions of the Quran; the first is a pre- standard Quran which was erased and rewritten as the canonical version. On comparing the two writing , it was found that there are seventy variants between the two. Dr Jay says that the lower text was erased because it needed to be updated. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Sana'a manuscript was discovered in Yemen in 1975, it is very old with no dots and vowels. It is a palimpsest (It has two layers of writings). It had late 7th to 8th century scripts. It was carbon tested at the university of Arizona in 2007, and was dated to mid 7th century. The same segment was taken to four Europeans labs and they did not agree with the Arizona dating. Shoemaker concludes that there is a problem with the carbon dating because the process dates the skin of the animal not the time the writing was written.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay discuss the challenges of carbon dating of manuscripts. They say that carbon dating gives the age of the material that is written on not the ink. There is no method found that dates ink because the way ink is mixed to make colors. Animal skin is costly and it takes time to cure. Shoemaker argues that carbon dating is not entirely accurate . That is why scholars had to look at the paleography of the writing which help determine the style of writing and in turn the time it was written. Shoemaker conclude that the carbon dating supports the Abd Al Malik/ Al Hajaj timing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue to talk about three more major qur'anic manuscripts :4. The BNF/ Petropolitanus manuscripts, and it has three fragments, the largest fragment is 26% of the Quran of today (Hafs). 5. Al Husseini manuscripts in Egypt. It is very large, and has a lot of taping over words. 6. The Sana manuscripts. It is most recent discovery, 1975 in Yemen. In conclusion;the six major manuscripts are: Not from the 7th century, none of them are complete, they don't agree with each other or with the1924 Hafs Quran of today, and all have a lot of variants. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today Al Fadi and Dr Jay talk about three Quranic manuscripts: 1. The Topkapi Manuscripts: it is kept in the Topkapi palace museum in Istanbul, Turkey. It is dated to early to mid 8th century due to the presence of vowels and dots. It is not the private copy of Utthman or one of the copies that he sent to various centers. 2. The Samarkand Manuscript, found in Tashkent, Uzbekistan; it is not a complete manuscript(43 Soras only). It is lazy man manuscript, and was written by scribes who didn't know Arabic . 3. Al Ma'il (slanted) Manuscripts, found in the British museum, and has no vowels or dots which makes it an earlier manuscripts. It is dated to early 8th century.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue discussing Shoemaker's book; Creating the Quran. Today they are wondering what happened to the Al Hajjaj- Abd Al Malik paradigm. They are not convinced with Shoemaker's answer, but they think it is a political reason since Abd Al Malik is an Umayyad , and the Abbasid came after them. They continue to talk about another scholar Robert Hoyland who said that none of the previous religions in the seventh century has heard of a book called the Quran. Then they conclude that the strongest arguments for a later Quran is the manuscripts evidence which they are going to discuss in details in later episodes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue to discuss the book creating the Quran. Today the focus on 1. The dialogue of Abraham of Tiberias, a Christian, with Amir Abdul Al Rahman Al Hashemi, in Jerusalem in the 9th century, during the Abbasid period,mentioning that Al Hajjaj produced the final authoritative version of the Quran. 2. The Apology of Al Kindy, is another Christin work written during the 9th century that talks about Al Hajaj; under Abd Al Malik; made a substantial changes to the Quran. Abd Al Malik was an Umayyad Caliph during the 8th century who built the Dome of the Rock and Arabized the Quran . See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith discuss the book written by Daniel Janosik, John of Damascus; The First Apologists to the Muslims. John of Damascus is a Christian monk and apologist whose father served in the Umayyad Caliphate in Damascus. John does not use the word Islam, but instead he calls it the heresy of the Ishmaelites. Al and Jay also talk about Emperor Leo the third correspondent letters with Omar the Second. Both John and Leo indicate that the Quran we have today is different than the Quran in the 7th and 8th centuries.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This paradigm focuses on the Umayyad caliphate in particular Abd Al- Malik bin Marwan and his governor Al Hajjaj. Abd Al Malik built the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and was anti trinitarian. He attacked the trinity, the divinity and the sonship of Christ. Al Hajjaj formed a committee to produce a new collection of the Quran. Dr Jay Smith gives the 12 reasons from Shoemaker's book; creating the Quran, why he believes that a later Quranic creation of the Quran is done by Abd Al Malik and Al Hajjaj. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Noldeke/Schwallian Paradime states that the Uthmanic Quran is the standard Quran and does not question it . In this episode Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith discuss some scholars that say otherwise. They are discussing Steven Shoemaker book; Creating the Quran. They conclude that the Quran ascribed to Uthuman was really established by Abd Al Malik which they will discuss in a coming episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi Dr Jay discuss what the two German scholars say about the Quran. Noldeke and Schwallie say that the Quran was written in 652 AD in its entirety of 114 Suras, and it should not be criticized. Al Fadi and Dr Jay going back to Shoemaker's book; creating the Quran discuss ten different possibilities of who really wrote the Uthmanic Quran. Abu Bakir, Omar, Aisha, just to name a few. Al Fadi and Dr jay make a plea to Muslim to check their claims of the perfect preservation of the Quran in light of what Shoemaker says for the purpose of finding the truth. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith discuss what the Muslim leaders of early centuries of Islam and what Muslim leaders of today say about the Preservation of the Quran. Today's leaders including Shabir Ali, Abdula Yusef Ali, and Yasir Qadi, to name a few, claim the perfect preservation of the Quran; They say that today's Quran is the same exact Quran of Othman days to the letter. Going back to the first centuries of Islam ; Muslims did not claim that at all; in fact substitution (abrogation) was normal. Some of the early leaders that said that are Bukhari, Ibn Abi Dawood, Aisha, just to name a few.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay raise more questions about the origin of the Quran which create more problems about the Quran: 6. How can you have a dialectic problem in the mid 7th century unless you have a written text? 7.Why did Othman burn the other copies? 8. How can you burn a dialect? 9. If the Quran that Othman asked Zaid ibn Thabit to write in the Qurashi dialect was the second compilation of the Quran, why do we have 37 different Qurans today? They conclude that tradition says that Othman sent five copies to five cities/provinces, yet Muslims can not come with a manuscript from the five copies of the seventh century Quran(Othman's).See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay discuss what Sahih Al Bukhari say in volume 6, Hadith # 109, page509-510. They ask the following questions: Why would God chose a language (Arabic) that can not accommodate the Quran(no vowels or dots)? Why did God choose a man who couldn't read or write? If Mohammad was illiterate, he had 22 years to learn to read and write. Why didn't Abu Baker make more copies of the Quran? Was the Quran written down before Othman?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Jay continue their discussion on Shoemaker book; the creating of the Quran. While Wilfred Smith took the side of the religious person, the naturalistic approach takes the opposite side. Shoemaker says that you need to not take either extreme by studying the impact on the believer and study the history. Shoemaker points out 5 important approaches that Bruce Lincoln points out: 1.Who is the author of the text, his audience, context, and agenda? 2. Since reverence is religious, scholarly approach is more important. 3. Permit criticism but not the other( W. Smith said: Criticize Christianity but not Islam). 4. Assuming all cultures are stable, but the reality is not. 5. Be ware of the scholars informance. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Jay continue their discussion on Shoemaker book; the creating of the Quran. While Wilfred Smith took the side of the religious person, the naturalistic approach takes the opposite side. Shoemaker says that you need to not take either extreme by studying the impact on the believer and study the history. Shoemaker points out 5 important approaches that Bruce Lincoln points out: 1.Who is the author of the text, his audience, context, and agenda? 2. Since reverence is religious, scholarly approach is more important. 3. Permit criticism but not the other( W. Smith said: Criticize Christianity but not Islam). 4. Assuming all cultures are stable, but the reality is not. 5. Be ware of the scholars informance. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr, Jay Smith continue their discussion of Shoemaker book creating the Quran. Today they talk about how this censorship affected the department of defense. After world war two the west came up with a policy of not accepting any criticism of Islam . Westerners and western academic Islamic scholars came up with a form of Islam to agree with western values. This form of Islam is not true to the historical Islam. Shoemaker"s solution to this problem is to do an accurate historical criticism of Islam.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue their discussion from last time on Shoemaker book Creating the Quran. This time they reveal the names of two scholars that were responsible for censoring what can be said about the Quran and Islam: 1. Wilfred Cantrell Smith; he gave the approach of how scholars should deal with Islamic material. He concluded that if any valid understanding of the Quran, one must approach the text as a believing Muslim would, and seek to understand it on that basis. 2. Mircea Eliade from the university of Chicago. These two scholars concluded that any study of Islam must be based on personal experience of Muslims. In other words Muslims have to give their stamp of approval. The problem with this approach is that it is not a true scholarly approach.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith are starting a new series based on a new book by Stephen Shoemaker called Creating the Quran. Stephen says that Mohammad is the author of the Quran , and he is going against mainstream academics. He says that we should not study the Quran according to later tradition ,but use standard tools of historical criticism that was used on other sacred scripture writings; ie The Bible. There is a fear that critics and scholars have in stating their finding about the Quran . Shoemaker tells the name of the man behind the censorship. Al and jay will reveal it on the next episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi shares his personal good news of his son getting married and a new grandchild is born . A bad news of losing his nephew. And a challenging news of his many back surgeries. On the ministry level, the Lord showed up in mighty way: The production of many videos: A. David Wood on the unholy character of Mohammad. B. Historical criticism of Islam on art prohibition c. Sam Shamoun on the deity of Christ in the Quran. D. Dr Jay Smith on the book, the man , and the place. These are few example. You can watch all these videos on Cira international You-Tube. The views for these videos has reached over 13 million people. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Jay use the book that Dr Daniel Brubaker has done on the preservation of the Quran. They point out the different variants in the Qur'anic manuscripts that has been inserted, erased, covered and taped. They conclude that the process of collecting the Quran was not standardized. What is left behind after all the editing is the Hafs version of the Quran today. Al and Jay also talk about the 63 fragment of manuscripts that Muslims say it make up 97% of the Quran of the first century of Islam. Al and Jay say that 63 fragments do not comprise a complete Quran. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay talk about the discovery of the 33 verses from chapters 18-20 of the Quran which when it was discovered in 2015, Muslims thought that they found the Quran from the time of Muhammad. These folios consist of three stories that existed before Islam and the Quran that was modified to take out the references to Jesus as God and replaced with Jesus as a prophet. Al and Jay also talk about the Quran's Kiraat (variant readings). Jay talks about Hatun Tash who discovered the many different copies of the Quran that does not match, and that was against what Muslims claim about the preservation of the Quran.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi shares some of the reasons why we celebrate Christmas: 1. It is a reminder of the promise God made to Adam and Eve after the fall. 2. Because of God's love for us He gave us the greatest gift ever(Jesus) 3. We have to accept the gift of Jesus by faith. 4. By believing in Jesus as the savior we go to heaven. 5. By believing we have a direct communication with God. 6. God became a man and dwelt amongst us. 7. This is the greatest gift to mankind. God loved us while we were still sinners, and by believing in the gift and accepting it we have eternal life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Quran was written in 652 AD, in the Quraishi dialect by Zaid ibn Thabit , Mohammad's secretary, After Mohammad's death. There were no dots or other marks in that .Muslims say that Mohammad was given the Quran in 7 different Kira'at /dialects by Gabriel. Some of the Qurans are from Syria and Iraq and they all contain different numbers of Suras. Looking at different manuscripts Jay and Ali and others conclude that none are from the 7th century, they had many variants that does not agree with the Hafs Quran, the most used version . The Question remains ; Where is the original Quran? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay discuss the reasons that the Dome of the Rock debunk the S.I.N. According to the S.I.N. Mohammad was taken to the rock where he was ascended into heaven and came back in the year 621. First the Dome of the Rock does not have a qibla, but the two mosques next to it do and are facing Petra. They mention that the Dome of the Rock we have today was not the one built by Abd Al Malik. The building itself was destroyed and rebuilt eleven times. In the second part of the episode they talk about the claim of preservation of the Quran by the Muslims. Jay says that the complete copy of the Quran was produced during Uthman the Calif . All Muslims had to do to back up the claim is to produce a copy of the manuscript from the time of Uthman and have them compare it with a Quran copy of today to see if it is a perfect match.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Jay say that there were no coins minted during the time of Mohammad 620- 660 AD in Mecca. The coins found in that time period had Byzantian crosses or Zoroastrian temples on them and they were found in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. In 680 AD when Abd Al- Malik defeats the Byzantian , he introduces the Shahadah. He was an anti trinitarian Christian. Mohammad's name was introduced on the coins during Abd- Al Malik reign in 710 AD. The rock inscription were found in the 7th century, way north of Mecca between 640-740 AD. . None of the inscription was found in Mecca or Medina as the S.I.N. claims.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this episode of Let Us Reason, Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue their discussion on the rest of the stages of Hajj or the pilgrimage to Mecca. They notice the progression of the narrative with time. For example they point out that before 1980 there was only one pillar to throw rocks at and now they have three. Another rock they point to is the black stone which they say it turned black from white because it takes away the sins of the people. And finally they conclude the discussion about Mecca, is it really what we thought it is? Mecca as a city today was not mentioned in history until 741 A.D.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Jay ask the question; does any of the empires surrounding Mecca ever heard of it or had any trade reference to Mecca? The answer is none, no surrounding empires; for example the Sabean, the Nabatean, the Assyrian, the Babylonian or even the Romans ever referenced Mecca. They also discuss some of the five stages of the Haj all of which involve stones: 1. The Ka'ba(cube), 2. Al Safa and Marwah (the S.I.N say that they are two mountains). 3. The Jamarat . They discuss if these rituals are purely Islamic or were they borrowed from Judaism. The discussion will resume next time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue the discussion from last time about the Red Sea route through Mecca . Dr Patricia Crone debunked the land route theory and said that the route was through the Eastern side of the Red Sea coast. But history proves that the ships in the 2nd and 3rd century BC took the west coast of the red sea because of the five coastal cities that existed on the coast of Eretria, Sudan And Egypt. Also History shows that Jeddah was provided as a sea port to provide water for Mecca and both cities did not exist until the 8th century AD. Without Mecca there is no seventh century Islam( S.I.N.). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith say that Mohammad received a revelation to change the direction of the qiblas from Jerusalem to Al Masjed Al Haram (Al Kaaba) in the year 624 AD. They use Dan Gibson's research and conclude that the direction of the Qiblas in mosques between 624-706 AD were facing Petra.- The first mosque with the qibla facing Mecca was in 724 AD. This is a bad evidence for the S.I.N. They also discuss the trade route theory by Dr Montgomery Watt who suggested the trade route went through Mecca to Gaza . He was trying to prove that Mecca was on the trade route. Dr Patricia Crone tried to prove that Mecca was never on the trade route which went through the red sea closer to the African coast and not the Arabian coast. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to the standard Islamic narrative ; 70-300 prophets are buried in Mecca, from Adam, Seth, Noah, Daniel, also Eve, and the Queen of Shiba just to name a few. There is no archeological evidence of that. In the second episode of this show Al and Dr Jay ask the question, where is Mecca on any of the ancient maps? Dr Jay talks about the research of Dr Patricia Crone on the subject of Mecca in ancient maps. They conclude that there is no mention of Mecca until the 8th century; a 100 years after the death of Mohammad. Mecca was not the place the S.I.N. wants us to believe.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue their discussion about Mecca. This time they discuss Dan Gibson's archeological studies and the two books he wrote; The Nabateans, and The Geography of the Quran. Next they ask the question ; What language was used in Mecca? They conclude that the Quran was written in Nabatean Aramaic and not in the Sabiac language of Mecca and Medina . The question is why wasn't it written in the language of the area ( the Hijaz)?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay talk about why Mecca in the S.I.N. To Muslims Mecca is the birth place of Mohammad, where Islam started, where the pilgrimage takes place , and where they face towards when they pray. Muslims claim three things: 1. It was where Adam and Eve lived. 2. Where Abraham built the Kaaba with his son Ishmael. 3. That Mecca was a center of trade. Al Fadi and Dr. Jay also say that the only place that mecca was mentioned by name was on Sura 48: 24. Tradition also says that it was a place of vegetation and that it was located in a valley with a stream going through it. Does history support these claims? they will talk about it in coming episodes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr. Jay and Al Fadi continue their critique of the Standard Islamic Narrative(S.I.N.). Today they are talking about the lack of reference evidence and of eyewitness. They point out that the S.I.N says that everything happened in Mecca and Medina. It turned out that the earliest resources were 200-300 years later during the Abbasid caliphate which came to power in 750 AD, in the city of Baghdad, written by people who lived hundred of miles north of Mecca and Medina. For example Ibn Hisham born in Basra, Iraq and lived in Cairo, Egypt; Bukhari was born in Bukhara (Uzbekistan). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay compare the time between Mohammad's death and the time the sources of Islam (the Sira, Hadith etc.) were written is over two hundred years and 200-300 miles north from the place that was thought. While the time it took the Christian to write their sources is about 60 years and it was written in the same place where Christ lived and died while eyewitnesses lived. They say if we compare it to the history of the United states, the biography of George Washington and the constitution would of not been written until the 21 century. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay continue to discuss the problem with the sources(Sira, hadith,...). They are questioning the Standard Islamic Narrative(S.I.N.). They ask the question how do we know that it is true? Going back to the time when the people who wrote the sources lived and died ; they find a gap in the timeline. For example, there is a 200 year gap between the death of Mohammad and the death of Ibn Hisham; who wrote the Sira(Biography) of Mohammad; therefore he was not an eyewitness.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith continue their discussion by talking about the man (Mohammad), the book ( the Quran) and the place(Mecca), because these are the foundations of Islam if you take one out the rest will fall. 1. Mecca; did it exist in the 7th century? 2. Mohammad; was there a man who was born in Mecca in 570 AD and lived there until 622AD, who then moved to Medina? 3. The Quran; do we have a complete copy from the 7th century that matches today's copy. These are questions Dr. Jay and Al Fadi are trying to answer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith discuss what is The Standard Islamic Narrative or S.I.N. Muslims believe that they have the final revelation; the Quran which was revealed to Mohammad, who was born in Mecca in Saudi Arabia and that Mecca was the direction of the Kiblah. There are four points of the S.I.N./ the traditions: 1. The Cira (The biography of Mohammad) . 2. The Hadith (the sayings of Mohammad) 3. Al Tafsir (the commentaries) to unpack the Quran, 4. The Tarikh(the history). Muslims can not question the traditions even if does not make sense.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sister Ray grew up in South Africa to an Iranian Sunni family. Her mother was a Catholic that converted to Islam. She went to an all girls Catholic school, and was also raised in the traditional Islamic belief. She did start questioning her Islamic belief when she went to university and started reading Islamic books in English. She was upset about the way women are treated in Islam, unlike what she has been taught that Islam raised the value of women. She met a born again Christian in college and he invited her to go to church. The sermon was about Moses. She was asked by her Muslim people not to watch the Disney movie "The Prince of Egypt". Ray's journey continues next time. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lloyd explains that Islam is a deen, which does not mean a religion but a totalitarian political system, which provides perspective on existence, life, society and sociopolitical system. There is 4 meanings of deen: 1. Subjugation and dominance. 2. Obedience and bondage. 3. Rules and regulations. 4. Rewards and repayment. There are two sources of the law(Sharia). A. The Quran . B. The Sunna. Lloyd goes into details to explain all of the above.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Muslim believe that Islam is the final religion and Christianity has been replaced. No other religion is accepted but Islam. Therefore there is enmity between Muslims and Christians and Jews. Those who die in Jihad and those who hide their true feelings towards non Muslims will die as martyrs. Two purposes of Islam: 1. Seek to correct the Bible( Jesus was not crucified, sura 4:157). 2. Political purpose; commanding the right and forbidding the wrong; enforcing sharia on everybody. Islam is a religion of law; what are its laws ?and where are they written? There are volumes of books concerning every aspect of life to explain for example what to do if a man marry a minor and injure her physically. It is detailed and disturbing because Islam allows having sexual intercourse with minors and children before the age of puppetry even with infants. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Lloyd discuss what sharia law really is; a law or a secret. Sharia is both religious and political . Muslims are not suppose to teach it to non- Muslims because non- muslins will be learning it in bad faith, therefore it is secret with a purpose. It is the final interpretation of the Quran and Sunna. It copied and changed the Babylonian Talmud. The end goal of Islam is the will of Allah by persuasion or force. Lloyd refers to lots of sources one of them is :"The Islamic Talmud" by Judith Wagner. He adds that the Quran is not complete by itself ; it needs the Sunna and the law. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Mel continue to discuss the critique of The Dome of the Rock. They say that there is multiple accounts of who and when the dome was built, which indicate that the building underwent multiple stages of rebuilding due to the fact of multiple earthquakes (ie1015, 1033AD) happened during its lifetime . To assume that the building was damaged but not the inscription is unreal. Also the number of columns changed from 8 inner and 24 outer to 12 inner and 16 outer columns. These are some of the reasons for a later date of the building and inscription according to AJ Duse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Mel discuss the time of the inside inscription on the building of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. Their discussion is built on the article; "The Jewish Serpent King in the Dome of the Rock" by AJ Deus. AJ says that the inscription on the inside of that building is not 7th century inscription but rather sixteenth century. They point out that the crusaders were in control of Jerusalem for two centuries (11th and 12th), and that they held Christian services inside the Dome. It is very unlikely that the pope will leave a memorial for Mohammad there. All this is a strong case for a later date.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss some suras in the Quran that talk about Christ divinity and what Muslims call scientific miracles in the Quran. Sura 9:31, it talks about Jews and Christians taking their monks and rabbis as gods beside Allah and the Messiah. This implies unification since Jesus was not included in the monks and rabbis but with Allah. Sura 43:61 says that Jesus knows the last hour. This implies he is all knowing. In sura 86:7 shows that Allah does not know the correct anatomy of the human body. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One of the claims that Muslims accuse Christian and Jews of is that the Bible has been corrupted. Al Fadi and Rob Christian say that no where in the Quran or Hadith say that; Sura 115, 5:47;10:94,61:6, are some of the suras that confirm that the Bible is the word of God and was not corrupted. The reason why they say that it was corrupted because they can not find the name of Muhammad (Ahmed) in the Bible. The accusation started by a famous scholar in Spain in the tenth century. Also in the 19th century the Arabic translation of the Bible was completed and they can read and not find the name Ahmed in there.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss 1. What Ibn Abbas, Mohammad's cousin, and the father of commentators said, A. About the Quran and poetry, he said : " If Part of the Quran is missing or lost; just complete it with your own personal poetry". B. Ibn Abbas also said about Sura 13:31, that the scribe made a mistake in two words because he was sleepy. they ask the question; How does Allah allow a sleepy scribe to corrupt the Quran? 2. They point out that the Quran was tampered with by early Muslims , and no Muslim should accept his Quran as divine. They discuss Sura 56:29 and 37:12.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss how a chain of people contributed to the Hafs Quran. His full name is Hafs Ibn Suleiman Al Bazzaz. He was known by Islamic sources by copying other people books and that he was a liar. Among the people that influenced his version are Zeid, Ubai Ibn Kaeb, Ibn Masoud and Asim (who was blind and had problem with memory). Ibn Massoud was trusted the most by the prophet Mohammad, but his version was not chosen by Othman, and his version does not match today's Quran .See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss how a chain of people contributed to the Hafs Quran. His full name is Hafs Ibn Suleiman Al Bazzaz. He was known by Islamic sources by copying other people books and that he was a liar. Among the people that influenced his version are Zeid, Ubai Ibn Kaeb, Ibn Masoud and Asim (who was blind and had problem with memory). Ibn Massoud was trusted the most by the prophet Mohammad, but his version was not chosen by Othman, and his version does not match today's Quran .See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.