New Podcast Let Us Reason - A Christian/Muslim Dialogue

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers begin a new series on the book of Isaiah, and focus on Isaiah 53. Isaiah's name means Yahweh saves, which reminds us Jesus's name. In this series they will cover the following: 1. Chapter 52-53 see that the Messiah will bring a new and greater exodus; redemption. 2. The Messiah is both a suffering servant and the incarnate deity. 3. That He will die and will be exalted; He will die as a substitutionary atonement for sinners and secure justification before God.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Muslims deny that God is triunity , yet in the Quran God is referred to with the plural pronoun" we". In Sura 2:23,106, Sura10: 94, and Sura 66:12 where it says that God and the Holy Spirt breathed into Mary. Also in the Quran it says that the Spirit appeared to Mary in the form of a man. Muslims can not explain the plurality of God and also his oneness. But Christian do throughout the Bible because God revealed himself that way.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr David continue to disprove the myth of the perfect preservation of the Quran. In this episode they go to a book called Fadaelle Al Quran; in Sura 33 there is only 73 verses left of 200 original verses; the reason is that a sheep ate it according to Ayesha who had the only copy of the sura. According to Muslims the Quran was preserved by memory. in Sura 87: 6,7 Allah allows Mohammad to forget some suras that He wills. In Hadith Al Bukhari 50:38,39 Mohammad claims that Allah caused him to forget some verses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mohammad married Ayesha at age 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9. The Quran allows marriage of prepubescent child (Sura 65:4). And since Muslims believe that Muhammad was an example for mankind; therefore Islam allows child marriage. In order to justify that; the Muslim Da'wa team lie about girls being married as a child in the Bible; Mary is one example. They find unreliable Catholic apocryphal sources. Al and David discuss this matter in more details.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The lie of the perfect preservation of the Quran is no longer believable. Dr wood and Al Fadi discuss the discovery of multiple copies of the Quran that don't agree with each other. They also discuss the debate between Muslim scholars and debaters about how to answer the false claim of the preservation of the Quran. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith discuss the incarnation of Jesus; the word became flesh. Muslims deny that God can come to earth even though the story of the burning bush is in Chapter 20:10-14 of the Quran . The only way to have a holy ground is if God is there. They also talk about the two types of revelations; the general revelation/ creation, and special revelation. Christians agree on the general revelation . Muslims believe that the Quran is a special revelation; is eternal, sent down, complete, and unchanged .The Quran is not complete and it changed according to all the research that was done. Christians believe that Jesus is the Word of God, eternal, came down , never changed, and the only complete revelation of God. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sin in Islam is a set of dos and don'ts, Muslims believe there is two angels that are assigned to every person at birth to record their good and bad deeds, and that good deeds cancel out bad deeds. The Bible says that sin is much deeper that that, it took one sin to get Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden. They could no longer talk to God in person. All creation was affected by that sin. We are all out of the Garden because God is holy. God is the only one who can fix sin's problem. God made a covenant with Abraham were He alone can fulfill in Genesis 15 . Only God can atone for our sin through Jesus's ( the only sinless person) sacrifice which was promised in Genesis 3:15 that the seed of the woman ( Jesus) will crush the head of the serpent (Satan). To be continued in the next episodeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr jay Smith discuss more doctrinal differences between Christianity and Islam and today they start with the trinity; they point out how the Christian God is relational both in the God head and with His creation. They point out that we are made in God's image to be relational too. Second they show the difference between Christians who are children of God versus Muslims who are slaves of Allah. Children can call God Daddy, and communicate with God without fear; Muslims are afraid of their God and must submit to him as master. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a start of a new series called The Hermeneutical Key; it is the key to interpret scripture. Today's topic is The Garden of Eden. In the Bible (Genesis 3:8,9 ) we read the story of the fall of Adam and Eve ; God was walking and talking with them; He had a relationship with them. Also in the Bible the Garden of Eden was on earth. In the Quran, Chapter (2: 30-39,7: 19-25); the garden of Eden is in heaven, God is not in the garden. This means we are not talking about the same thing; the God of the Bible is omnipotent,; he entered time and space and took on a human form. The God of the Bible is not the Allah of the Quran. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Michael Jones discuss the effects of polygamy in Islam which allows for polygamy. Muslims claim that the Bible has polygamy in it. The truth is that the old testament records the sins of some characters in the Bible who practiced polygamy ,but is not so from the beginning in Genesis 2:24 that a man leaves his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh, as when God brought Eve to Adam and Jesus later confirmed it in Matthew 19: 1-9 . They also discuss the scientific results of mental health issues that both women and children suffer in a polygamist marriages. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today Al Fadi and Michael Jones talk about the mental and the social harm of child marriage. Islam promotes child marriage as we saw in a previous episode. Studies shows the mental harm that it causes from depression, anxiety, phobia, and suicidal thoughts just to name a few. The social harm are death during child birth, cervical cancer, STDs, and being a victim of domestic violence. They conclude that child marriage is to be outlawed if Muslims really care about their daughters. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and his guest speaker Michael Jones of ( Inspiring Philosophy You Tube Channel) talk about why is child marriage allowed and promoted in Islam; 1. It was done by Mohammad who is an example to Muslims when he married Aisha at age six. 2. It is done to protect the parents social status and not the Girl's well being. 3. Muslims also claim that it reduces premarital sex. Yet the physical harm that is caused to the girls is great because of their undeveloped bodies; death and infection are two harms. The united nations classify any girl under 18 as a child. In Chapter 65:4 the Quran promotes child marriage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today Al Fadi and Michael Jones talk about the mental and the social harm of child marriage. Islam promotes child marriage as we saw in a previous episode. Studies shows the mental harm that it causes from depression, anxiety, phobia, and suicidal thoughts just to name a few. The social harm are death during child birth, cervical cancer, STDs, and being a victim of domestic violence. They conclude that child marriage is to be outlawed if Muslims really care about their daughters. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and his guest speaker Michael Jones of ( Inspiring Philosophy You Tube Channel) talk about why is child marriage allowed and promoted in Islam; 1. It was done by Mohammad who is an example to Muslims when he married Aisha at age six. 2. It is done to protect the parents social status and not the Girl's well being. 3. Muslims also claim that it reduces premarital sex. Yet the physical harm that is caused to the girls is great because of their undeveloped bodies; death and infection are two harms. The united nations classify any girl under 18 as a child. In Chapter 65:4 the Quran promotes child marriage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi continues his series on simple questions answered; this time he asks the question "My dear Muslim friends are you sure of your salvation?" In the first part of the episode he gives many references(1 John 5:12-13,John 5:24,etc)from the Bible that Christians who are in Christ are assured of their salvation by trusting what Christ did on their behalf to save them. On the other hand he points out and quotes references ( Sura46:8-9,Bukhari 5:58:266)from the Quran and hadith that says that Muhammad was not sure of his or the other Muslims salvation. Al Fadi urges Muslims to examine the verses and see for themselves who can save, and to come to the Savior.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode Al Fadi answers the question on his Facebook page; Alfadi.cira, " If Mohammad is a prophet like Moses why did he violate the Sabbath". Mohammad acknowledged in Sura 4:154 that the Sabbath was not to be violated . In Hadith Al Bukhari B2,V13:1,21, Mohammad did not honor the Sabbath, but introduced his own holy day; Friday, thus dishonoring the Sabbath . Therefore he is not a prophet like Moses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers continue their discussion of Isaiah 53. In this session they discuss how Jesus and His disciples talked about the fulfillment of Isaiah 53; 1. In Luke 24 after Jesus's resurrection ; he is explaining to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus how the Christ will suffer, die and come back to life. 2. All four accounts of the gospel mention Isaiah 40 a voice crying out in the wilderness . 3. Jesus told his disciples that he will go to Jerusalem to die. 4. Another example was in Acts 8 where Philip is explaining the suffering Messiah to the Ethiopian who was reading Isaiah 53. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers continue in Isaiah 53 about the reason for the death of the righteous servant. It is atone for the guilt of the people (53:5,11). This is the gospel message in advance. The gospel is the good news; in Isaiah 40:9, 52:7. Is. 53:1 the gospel is proclaimed. The gospel of Mark starts as it is written in Isaiah. Zachariah 6:12 talks about the branch/ The Nazarene/ the Messiah. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers continue discussing Isaiah 52 and 53, They notice that this servant is an individual, a human, a man, not a nation. The pronoun "He" is being used many times. In Isaiah 52:13, This servant will be highly exalted. In Isaiah 2, the Lord alone will be exalted; This shows the divine identity of this figure. Isaiah 52: says that this upright man will suffer and die, buried , resurrected and exalted (Is. 52:13,14). He will be stricken, smitten , and afflicted (Is. 53:4) . He will be chastened, scourged , and crushed (Is. 53: 5). This figure will die for the sins of his people, and he will succeed. This person is the Lord Jesus.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Anthony Rogers begin a new series on the book of Isaiah, and focus on Isaiah 53. Isaiah's name means Yahweh saves, which reminds us Jesus's name. In this series they will cover the following: 1. Chapter 52-53 see that the Messiah will bring a new and greater exodus; redemption. 2. The Messiah is both a suffering servant and the incarnate deity. 3. That He will die and will be exalted; He will die as a substitutionary atonement for sinners and secure justification before God.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi summarizes the highlights of the ministry for 2023; the purpose of the ministry is to train and equip people to reach out to Muslims. This is done through media, in person training, and special projects(ie translation). Cira international you tube channel had 181 thousands subscribers this year, 10 million views; the top video was "Allah is Satan". The top live stream was" How the Mighty has fallen"; about Muslims leaving Islam in Pakistan. This year was also the start of an Arabic You Tube channel called " King's Church". See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

1. The gift of fulfilled prophecy. 2. God entered into the world. 3. God showing us the way back into His presence. 4. God is making it possible for us to be reconciled to Him. 5. God is saving sinners. 6. God is the one who made this sacrifice. 7. God's anointed son was born to save us. 8. This coming of Christ brings joy to men and angels. 9. The star at the top of the tree represents Christ. 10. The tree represents the cross Jesus died on. 11. God's greatest gift is His son. 12. God's peace to mankind.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Muslims deny that God is triunity , yet in the Quran God is referred to with the plural pronoun" we". In Sura 2:23,106, Sura10: 94, and Sura 66:12 where it says that God and the Holy Spirt breathed into Mary. Also in the Quran it says that the Spirit appeared to Mary in the form of a man. Muslims can not explain the plurality of God and also his oneness. But Christian do throughout the Bible because God revealed himself that way.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr David continue to disprove the myth of the perfect preservation of the Quran. In this episode they go to a book called Fadaelle Al Quran; in Sura 33 there is only 73 verses left of 200 original verses; the reason is that a sheep ate it according to Ayesha who had the only copy of the sura. According to Muslims the Quran was preserved by memory. in Sura 87: 6,7 Allah allows Mohammad to forget some suras that He wills. In Hadith Al Bukhari 50:38,39 Mohammad claims that Allah caused him to forget some verses.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mohammad married Ayesha at age 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9. The Quran allows marriage of prepubescent child (Sura 65:4). And since Muslims believe that Muhammad was an example for mankind; therefore Islam allows child marriage. In order to justify that; the Muslim Da'wa team lie about girls being married as a child in the Bible; Mary is one example. They find unreliable Catholic apocryphal sources. Al and David discuss this matter in more details.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The lie of the perfect preservation of the Quran is no longer believable. Dr wood and Al Fadi discuss the discovery of multiple copies of the Quran that don't agree with each other. They also discuss the debate between Muslim scholars and debaters about how to answer the false claim of the preservation of the Quran. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith discuss the incarnation of Jesus; the word became flesh. Muslims deny that God can come to earth even though the story of the burning bush is in Chapter 20:10-14 of the Quran . The only way to have a holy ground is if God is there. They also talk about the two types of revelations; the general revelation/ creation, and special revelation. Christians agree on the general revelation . Muslims believe that the Quran is a special revelation; is eternal, sent down, complete, and unchanged .The Quran is not complete and it changed according to all the research that was done. Christians believe that Jesus is the Word of God, eternal, came down , never changed, and the only complete revelation of God. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sin in Islam is a set of dos and don'ts, Muslims believe there is two angels that are assigned to every person at birth to record their good and bad deeds, and that good deeds cancel out bad deeds. The Bible says that sin is much deeper that that, it took one sin to get Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden. They could no longer talk to God in person. All creation was affected by that sin. We are all out of the Garden because God is holy. God is the only one who can fix sin's problem. God made a covenant with Abraham were He alone can fulfill in Genesis 15 . Only God can atone for our sin through Jesus's ( the only sinless person) sacrifice which was promised in Genesis 3:15 that the seed of the woman ( Jesus) will crush the head of the serpent (Satan). To be continued in the next episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr jay Smith discuss more doctrinal differences between Christianity and Islam and today they start with the trinity; they point out how the Christian God is relational both in the God head and with His creation. They point out that we are made in God's image to be relational too. Second they show the difference between Christians who are children of God versus Muslims who are slaves of Allah. Children can call God Daddy, and communicate with God without fear; Muslims are afraid of their God and must submit to him as master. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a start of a new series called The Hermeneutical Key; it is the key to interpret scripture. Today's topic is The Garden of Eden. In the Bible (Genesis 3:8,9 ) we read the story of the fall of Adam and Eve ; God was walking and talking with them; He had a relationship with them. Also in the Bible the Garden of Eden was on earth. In the Quran, Chapter (2: 30-39,7: 19-25); the garden of Eden is in heaven, God is not in the garden. This means we are not talking about the same thing; the God of the Bible is omnipotent,; he entered time and space and took on a human form. The God of the Bible is not the Allah of the Quran. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Michael Jones discuss the effects of polygamy in Islam which allows for polygamy. Muslims claim that the Bible has polygamy in it. The truth is that the old testament records the sins of some characters in the Bible who practiced polygamy ,but is not so from the beginning in Genesis 2:24 that a man leaves his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh, as when God brought Eve to Adam and Jesus later confirmed it in Matthew 19: 1-9 . They also discuss the scientific results of mental health issues that both women and children suffer in a polygamist marriages. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today Al Fadi and Michael Jones talk about the mental and the social harm of child marriage. Islam promotes child marriage as we saw in a previous episode. Studies shows the mental harm that it causes from depression, anxiety, phobia, and suicidal thoughts just to name a few. The social harm are death during child birth, cervical cancer, STDs, and being a victim of domestic violence. They conclude that child marriage is to be outlawed if Muslims really care about their daughters. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and his guest speaker Michael Jones of ( Inspiring Philosophy You Tube Channel) talk about why is child marriage allowed and promoted in Islam; 1. It was done by Mohammad who is an example to Muslims when he married Aisha at age six. 2. It is done to protect the parents social status and not the Girl's well being. 3. Muslims also claim that it reduces premarital sex. Yet the physical harm that is caused to the girls is great because of their undeveloped bodies; death and infection are two harms. The united nations classify any girl under 18 as a child. In Chapter 65:4 the Quran promotes child marriage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi asks the question above. He gives a lot of Bible verses to show that if we believe in Jesus we have eternal life; 1John 5: 12-13 , John 5: 24, Romans 8:16, just to mention a few. And nothing can separate us from God's love or snatch us out of his hands John 10:29, Romans 8:38,39. Our salvation is sure as Christian and the scripture proves it ; not so in the Quran or by Mohammad Sura 46:8-9, Sura 10:94. Not even the Hadith ; Sahih Bukhari vol. 5, book 58, #266 and vol 4, book 51, # 16; Mohammad was not sure of his salvation or the salvation of his family or any Muslim. Al Fadi asks the question ; why would you follow someone who doesn't have an assurance of salvation? and says that Jesus is the way, and the life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi discusses a quote on his fakebook page Alfadi.cira in a new series "Simple Questions Answered". Today's quote is: If Mohammad was a prophet like Moses, why didn't he observe the Sabbath? Muslims claim that Deuteronomy 18:18 is about Mohammad. Muhammad acknowledged that it was required of him not to transgress the Sabbath in Sura 4: 154. In Numbers 15: 32-36 working on the Sabbath was punishable by death. In Sura 62: 9-11 Muslims should give up trading only when hearing the call to prayer, and not completely stop all trade on Friday which Mohammad claimed to be his Sabbath. Therefore he did not endorse the law of Moses, and in doing so he condemned himself and he is not the prophet like Moses. Jesus on the other hand fulfilled the law of Moses and if we are in Christ we also have fulfilled the law through him and we are not condemned.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Brother Mel continue their talk about the connection between Islam and the Zoroastrian religion of Persia. Today they talk about the myth of the Buraq; which Muslims believe it is a flying horse, which took Mohammad to Jerusalem to Al Aqsa mosque and then to heaven. The origin of the name is Persian which means : A riding animal, a rider or a horse. In Zoroastrianism a demon god rides on a horse. This shows the willingness of Islam to copy other religions. They also touch on the origin of the names Aisha and Fatima. They think that they are Jewish names of two wives of Ishmael according to the Jewish Tergum. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi, Dr Jay, and Brother Mel are starting a new series called Exposing the Myth. In this episode they are talking about how Islam borrowed from the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism. 1.The name of the ZamZam well is zoroastrian in origin. The name Zam is a pagan god which refers to mother nature. 2. The Black stone in al Kaaba is connected to another demon called Afraditi(Venus/ Lucifer). 3. The Jamarat represent Satan. 4. The Sunna/ hadith was written in persian lands. 5. The times of prayer, the washing before prayer, the kibla, and the word Jin were borrowed from Zoroastrianism.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr Jay and Al Fadi continue with three more historical problems with the Quran: 1. The Al Aqsa mosque( Sura 17: 1), which Muslims believe that Mohammad ascended into heaven from, was built in 710 AD, and Mohammad died in 632 AD. 2. The chain mail that is mentioned in Sura 24: 10-11 that King David wore around 1000BC ,was not invented until 200 BC. 3. The reference to the crucifixion in Sura 7: 121-124 during the time of Moses and Pharaoh in 1400 BC and Joseph 1800BC (Sura 12 :41). The crucifixion was invented 1300 years later. Yet the Quran denies the crucifixion of Jesus in Sura 4 : 157 ; this is a theological and a historical problem.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr Jay and Al Fadi discuss the refutations to Dan Brubaker book: Corrections in Early Quranic Manuscripts. one of the refutations is by Hythem Sidky who writes a book responding to Dan's book. Dr Jay and Al Fadi also talk about the historical problems of the Quran, they give an example from Sura 20 : 85-87,95-97, where it talks about a Samaritan who lived in the time of Moses and helped the Israelites build the golden calf. The problem with that story is the time period ; Moses lived in 1400 BC and the Samaritan did not exist until 722BC. In conclusion; having even one mistake in the Quran proves that is not divinely preserved. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue their discussion about the interview that Muhammad Hijab had with Dr Yasi Qadi about the Quran preservation. Al and Dr Jay mention that most Muslims especially in the East do not cross the line of questioning the Quran. Dr Yasir Qadi had a crisis of faith "knowledge" when he went to Yale university. The interview caused a lot of Muslims to doubt and leave Islam. They also talked about Dr Brubaker's work on the early Quranic manuscript in his book" Corrections in Early Quranic Manuscripts" . In his work Dr Brubaker researched and found over 800 - 4,000 differences between the Hafs Quran of today and the early manuscripts. These corrections was made to fit the Hafs Quran of today. This research had a very damaging result to the belief that the Quran is perfectly preserved.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith listen to a clip of a major interview of Dr Yasir Qadi by Mohammad Hijab on the topic of the preservation of the Quran. In this interview Dr Yasi Qadi admits it is a hard subject to discuss and that it should not be a public discussion. He also says that it is enough to believe it and not question it. The original interview was done on 6/8/2020. This interview was very damaging to the Standard Islamic Narrative, and in it Dr Yasir Qadi admits that the S.I.N. has holes in it and it does not answer all the questions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Continuing last week's discussion, Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith say that Ibn Mujaahed chose the seven Kira'at in the tenth century. The criteria for choosing them was popularity. Hafs differ from the other Kira'at by 93 thousand dots and vowels. Therefore the preservation claim does not stand the test. They give several examples between the Hafs and Warsh: 1. Sura 2:184 ; Al miskeen and Al masaakeen; the first is singular noun and the second is the plural form of the noun. 2. Sura 3:146; the words kaatala (fought) and kutila (killed). These differences have huge theological and practice implications. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr Jay and Al Fadi discuss the multiple different Arabic Qurans that a Turkish sister called Hattun found in different Arabic countries starting in 2016. Dr Jay and Hattun took the Qurans to speakers corner in England where they showed them to Muslims who were shocked to hear and see that, because they have been told by their leaders that the Quran has been perfectly preserved to the letter and the dot. The Muslim response was that these are different readings for different dialects. There is five thousand differences between the two major versions which are called the Hafs and the Warsh alone. These differences do not only change the doctrine and the practice, but also the theology. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue there discussion from Shoemaker's book Creating the Quran. They name some scholars including Montgomery, Patricia Corona and others who point out that Mecca was insignificant and Medina (Yathrib was a small date oasis with few hundred people living there, and there is no mention of Jews living there as the S.I.N. mentions. They also say that most scholars conclude that the Quran and Islam is not from central Hijaz but from farther north.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue there review of Shoemaker book; creating the Quran. Today they focus on where was the origin of the Quran. They say that there was some rock inscription in Northern Arabian not in the Hijaz. Some of the reasons why the inscription doesn't fit the Hijazi dialect of central Arabia are three distinctive features: 1. The distinctive form of the relative pronoun. 2. The distinctive form of the distal demonstrative . 3. the use of the verbal constructive of ya aleph. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay continue there discussion from Shoemaker's book Creating the Quran. They name some scholars including Montgomery, Patricia Corona and others who point out that Mecca was insignificant and Medina (Yathrib was a small date oasis with few hundred people living there, and there is no mention of Jews living there as the S.I.N. mentions. They also say that most scholars conclude that the Quran and Islam is not from central Hijaz but from farther north.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue there review of Shoemaker book; creating the Quran. Today they focus on where was the origin of the Quran. They say that there was some rock inscription in Northern Arabian not in the Hijaz. Some of the reasons why the inscription doesn't fit the Hijazi dialect of central Arabia are three distinctive features: 1. The distinctive form of the relative pronoun. 2. The distinctive form of the distal demonstrative . 3. the use of the verbal constructive of ya aleph. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Muslims claim that Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, that Mohammad was born there, and that he also received his revelation of the Quran there. If that is true where is Mecca? Steven Shoemaker in his book Creating the Quran on page114 mentions that there is no mention of a mecca in any of the great civilizations of the time . Not only that,but another scholar; Patricia Corona said that there were no trade roues going through Mecca on land nor by the coast of the Red Sea bordering Mecca. Many scholars say that Islam started way north of Mecca and that most Muslim scholars were Persians. So Shoemaker concludes that Mecca was further north. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This manuscript was found in Damascus and was moved to Germany. It looks a lot like the upper layer of the Sana manuscript. There are three reasons why this manuscript is 8th century and not 7th century: 1. The dots , the circles ,and the verse markings suggests that the text is a later text. 2. . The page layout and illuminations parallels the 8th century manuscripts. 3. The ornamentations suggests Abd Al Malik and Al Hajjag new distinctive Islamic Arabic manuscripts. The question is if this text came from Mecca and Medina, what was happening there? Scholars agree that in the 7th century those two cities where very isolated and insignificant. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr Jay and Al Fadi continue the comparison between the upper and the lower layers of the Sana manuscripts of the Quran with the 1924 Hafs edition of the Quran. They point out differences that changes the meaning of the text; for example Sura 9: 9 in the lower layer of the manuscripts states" the way of Allah while the Hafs Quran of 1924 says 'His way". Another difference in the upper layer as an example is Sura 7: 76 "you directed vs he directed" They point out that most of the differences have to do with the diacritical marking which did not exist until the 8th century. Even with the upper layer of the manuscripts there was no standardized Quran yet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.