Money Life with Chuck Jaffe

Buck Klintworth, portfolio manager at Chase Investment Counsel, says that technicals show that the market's early October rise is no fluke and should have the ability to keep going, though if it moves the Standard and Poor's 500 Index to 3,600 it will have reached his expected level for year-end and will likely chop around and be volatile but mostly sideways into 2021. Also on the show, Kathy Bostjancic of Oxford Economics USA gives her take on how the economy can recover from the pandemic and how close the nation is to a long-lasting problem if economic stimulus is not offered to help the country get through troubled election and holiday seasons, and Allan Sloan of the Washington Post -- a legendary business journalist -- discusses President Trump's financial history and what it suggests he will do as he faces debt and tax issues that have made headlines in recent weeks.

A new survey of 401(k) participants done by Charles Schwab and Co. shows that baby boomers now believe they need a $1.6 million nestegg to retire comfortably, with millennials saying they must amass $2 million. Catherine Golladay of Schwab joins Chuck to discuss how and why retirement savers think reaching their goals is harder and requires more money. Also on the show, Doug Nordman discusses his new book, 'Raising Your Money-Savvy Family for Next Generation Financial Independence,' David Tainer of New Constructs warns of the dangers of ignoring footnotes in corporate filings, and we rebroadcast a recent Market Call interview with Eric Heyman of Olstein Strategic Opportunities.

Four very different experts join Chuck on today's show, and while they each maintain a different investment approach, they all agree that they like the looks of the market right now and they expect things to improve with the resolution of the election. Dan Zanger of ChartPattern.com talks technical analysis and notes that he is nearly fully invested, Ron Sanchez of Fiduciary Trust Co. International examines the fundamentals and notes that he is constructive over the long haul, and expects the market to grind higher through choppy, volatile times for the rest of the year. Peter Vanderlee of ClearBridge Investments and the closed-end LMP Capital and Income fund discusses the importance -- and good value -- of dividend stocks to income generation now, and quantitative manager Robert Zuccaro of Target QR Strategies discusses his growth-driven stock approach in the Market Call.

Ed Clissold, chief US strategist for Ned Davis Research, says that the market has a good chance of 'getting pretty deep into 2021' in a bull market, but that to get there stocks must first get past the uncertainty of the election and the pandemic; he notes that once the market feels good about calling a winner in the presidential election, it is likely to get a boost regardless of which candidate earns the consensus, if only because knowing the outcome provides more solid footing that wondering who will win and whether the results will go through. Also on the show, author Ashley Whillans discusses her new book 'Time Smart' -- out this week -- and how people can reclaim the time they are losing to get more done and be happier and less stressed, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes a hot, trending home-building fund his 'ETF of the Week,' and Chuck discusses his plans for a Covid-safe cash-or-candy Halloween.

Thomas Winmill, manager of the Midas Fund, says that 27 percent gains over the last 12 months haven't taken the shine off of gold stocks, which are 'trading at very attractive multiples in terms of price to free cash flow.' Winmill notes that despite low inflation -- which reduces gold's efficiency as a hedge against rising prices -- and lower-for-longer interest rates, precious metals remain attractive during uncertain times, which is why gold prices have held up against the coronavirus pandemic and have seemed impervious to election news. Also on the show, Noland Langford of Left Brain Investment Research highlights some 'Covid stocks' that come from industries and businesses that most people don't think have futures tied to the pandemic, Ryan Sweet of Moody's Analytics discusses the latest National Association for Business Economics outlook survey, and Rob Isbitts of Sungarden Investment Management and thehedgedinvestor.com covers exchange-traded funds in the Market Call.

David Goerz, chief investment officer at Strategic Frontier Management says that while the current momentum is with large-cap growth stocks, he expects small-cap stocks and the value style of investing to be the right call for longer-term investors, noting that he would be gravitating his asset allocation towards sectors filled with value-oriented issues -- like financials, industrials and real estate -- while avoiding areas like consumer staples and health care. Jay Kaplan, manager of the Royce Small Cap Value and Royce Total Return funds echoed many of those sentiments in the Market Call; both money managers disliked the energy sector. Also on the show, Jeffrey Bierman, chief market technician at TheoTrade.com, says that while the market has been rising, thin volume suggests that the current rally is not well supported and could turn on a dime, while Meredith Stoddard, vice president of life event planning at Fidelity Investments discusses the firm's 'Moving Forward' survey released today, looking at how investors attitudes about their financial futures have been changed by the coronavirus pandemic.

Greg Valliere, chief U.S. policy strategist for AGF Investments, says he believes the 2021 economy will be okay and show signs of life, but that political unrest between the election and any further coronavirus stimulus is likely to make the remainder of 2020 volatile and lackluster. Also on the show, David Goodsell of the Natixis Investment Managers' Center for Investor Insight talks about the mixed market outlook expressed by the professional strategists consulted in a recent survey, David Trainer of New Constructs highlights an accounting-rules change that is making it harder for investors to uncover bad news and a true picture of certain stocks, and Rob Reilly of PRW Wealth Advisors taks mutual funds and ETFs in the Market Call.

Sam Hendel, president of Levin Easterly Capital, says in the Market Call that the market being near record highs hasn't made it significantly harder to find value stocks poised for strong performance, especially if you are willing to be somewhat contrarian. Also on the show, Terry Gallagher from UMB Fund Services talks about developments in closed-end funds, most notably the evolution of tender-offer funds, Matt Zajechowski of Digital Third Coast discusses a recent survey on the impact of Covid-19 on prices consumers are paying at the supermarket and elsewhere, and author Jame DiBiasio, chats about his book 'Cowries to Crypto: A History of Money, Currency and Wealth.'

Two Big Interview guests today raise questions about the long-term recovery of the economy from the coronavirus pandemic. Lale Topcuoglu of J.O. Hambro Capital Management says that the market assumes that the economy will recover quickly, butworries that a slower rebound and lower growth rates than expected could lead to deterioration in the fixed-income and credit markets, while Nigam Arora of The Aurora Report discusses how the market and economy will respond to additional stimulus and how the expansion of the national debt will eventually turn into a problem. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes a fund that seeks out cash cows his 'ETF of the Week,' and Rebecca Gramuglia of TopCashback.com discusses how consumers can get more out of their holiday shopping budget if they start planning now.

Michael Falk of Focus Consulting Group returns to Money Life for an update not only on his struggles with Lou Gehrig's Disease, but also on how changes to the market and economy should have all investors asking one key question that should determine what they do next. The show adds a new regular to the lineup with the debut of Left Brain Thinking; Noland Langford of Left Brain Investment research discusses 'election-proof stocks.' Also on the show, Sarah Ketterer of Causeway Capital Management talks international value investing and more, and Vivian Tsai of the College Savings Foundation covers how Covid is changing the way parents and students are thinking about college.

Scott Colyer, chief executive/chief investment officer at Advisors Asset Management, says that the Federal Reserve has primed the pump for the market, but noted that investors need to display some caution. Colyer points out that many people took their stimulus check to the broker and started investing, and all of that enthusiasm tends to be a danger sign for what lies ahead. While Colyer is cautious, he remains fully invested, though he believes investors need to diversify away from the hot stocks and think more broadly. Also on the show, Michele Schneider of MarketGauge.com sees the market's technicals as largely favorable, but with worry signs, John Divine of US News and World Report discusses the hot IPO market and what to expect from new issues for the remainder of the year, and Gary Bradshaw of the Hodges Funds discusses blue-chip stocks in the Market Call.

Niladri Mukherjee of Merrill Lynch Bank of America Private Bank says that investors are more bearish now -- with the Standard and Poor's 500 Index at 3,300 -- than they were when the benchmark stood 1,000 points lower at the bottom of the market's February-March blood-letting. That sentiment is helping to create a pent-up demand that turns most declines into buying opportunities, and is why the market, according to Mukherjee, is entering a new bull cycle, rekindling the secular bull market that started about seven years ago. Brian Kraus of the Hartford Funds talks about a recent survey in which investors discussed how the outcome of the presidential election will impact their investment decisions, Andrew Hsu of the DoubleLine Funds discusses the impact that the election will have on infrastructure spending and project bonds, and David Trainer of New Constructs puts Dropbox stock in the 'Danger Zone' saying it is significantly overpriced now.

John Kosar, chief market strategist, says the data is telling him that the stock market is due for a short-term pullback, noting that the Standard and Poor's 500 has been hovering in a range signalling a downturn in the offing, looking like it could test current support at the 3,233 level. If the market breaks support from there, Kosar says to expect the 200-day moving average level of roughly 3,100 to be the next test, and that the market could get to it and beyond fast before a rebound comes into view. John Cole Scott of Closed-End Fund Advisors and the Active Investment Company Alliance opens the show by looking back at the first year of The NAVigator segment and the tough and changing year it has covered in the closed-end space, while also looking ahead with some picks for the year ahead. Also on the show, Robert Hockett, author of "Money From Nothing ... Or, Why We Should Stop Worrying About Debt and Learn to Love the Federal Reserve" discusses the economic fallout from current events, and Daniel Dolan of Dolan-McEniry discusses the current state of the corporate-bond market.

Mike Calwell, manager of the Driehaus Life Sciences Fund, says that while investors are focused on the coronavirus pandemic and the companies poised to cash in on developing a vaccine, the next decade for life-sciences stocks should include wide-ranging personal health developments combatting things like heart disease and cancer that will still be among the nation's biggest killers long after the virus has passed. Caldwell suggests investors focus on the long-term and the more permanent opportunities, noting that some of the public funding to combat Covid-19 will contribute to advances in many other areas. Also on the show, author Steve Vernon talks about his latest book on the steps investors can take to avoid going broke in retirement, Matt Schulz of CompareCards.com discusses consumer savings amid the pandemic, and Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes an IPO stock his 'ETF of the Week,' suggesting that investors may want to keep a permanent allocation to new and nascent stocks.

John Blank, chief market strategist and economist at Zacks Investment research, says that for all of the stock market's volatility and its headline-induced nervousness, results have been mostly average and investors who look at the long run can easily recognize that the market has been sticking with historic norms despite feeling like it has been put to historic extremes. Also on the show, Chuck answers audience questions about the 'bucket system' of saving for retirement and on the spreads an investor might pay to be a long-term social investor, author and entrepreneur Ken Rusk discusses his book 'Blue Collar Cash,' and Sarah Berger of MagnifyMoney.com discusses the site's latest survey, which shows that just 17 percent of investors 'completely trust the stock market.'

Jeff Klingelhofer, co-head of investments at Thornburg Investment Management, says that investors should be nervous and defensive because of the disconnect between the economy and the stock and bond markets, noting that he worries that the Federal Reserve is ill-equipped for fighting unemployment in addition to its traditional role of combating inflation. Despite the worries, Klingelhofer still believes that the domestic market is the best place to invest. Also on the show, Jeff Krumpelman of Mariner Wealth Advisors says he believes the market is headed for a correction, though he believes there is a solid foundation to enable a reasonably quick recovery from any decline. Also on the show, Ken Tumin of DepositAccounts.com discusses how consumers are changing their banking habits in the pandemic, and Mike Liss of American Century Value Fund talks relative-value investing in the Market Call.

Ben Hunt of Epsilon Theory says that 'every effective CEO today is a CEO who can tell a story and create a narrative that may or may not have anything to do with real-world performance,' and he says that investors have to cut through those stories to figure out what is real and what is overblown, disconnected from fundamentals and economics. He notes that investors must make up their own minds, rather than falling easily for the stories. Also on the show, James DiChiaro of the BNY Mellon Core Plus Fund talks about generating income in a low-rate environment, David Trainer of New Constructs puts Peloton stock in the 'Danger Zone,' saying it's sky-high valuations are taking investors for a ride, and Catherine Collinson of the Transamerica Center for Retirement Studies discusses recent research showing how retirees are already feeling long-term impacts to their money and mindset due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Jeff Weniger, director of asset allocation at WisdomTree Asset Management, says that investors need to put potential election outcomes into their plans ahead of time, and he notes that the reaction should include how each candidate is likely to respond to the coronavirus pandemic from here. Weniger says, for example, that investors should overweight financial is they expect a Trump victory -- which he does -- and reduce exposure to banks and investment firms if they expect a Biden win. Also on the show, Joe Keefe, president of the Pax World Funds, discusses how social investors should be thinking about their influence in the wake of the wildfires sweeping the West Coast, as well as his expectations for the market through the election, Mark Hamrick of Bankrate.com covers the site's latest survey on Americans' current level of personal financial satisfaction under President Trump, and Daniel Wildermuth of Wildermuth Wealth talks about the benefits of investing like an endowment within a fund structure that forces investors to hold -- and think -- long-term.

Abhay Deshpande, chief investment officer at Centerstone Investors, says that the market's February-March swoon created the best situation that value investors had seen since the financial crisis of 2008, and that the recent rebound back to record-high ranges hasn't diminished the value prospects for a lot of businesses. Deshpande says that 2020 by the numbers -- rather than the events that have caused them and hijacked the headlines -- is reasonably close to what he might have expected at the start of the year. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com picks a brand new fund with ties to the Nasdaq Compiste Index as his 'ETF of the Week,' Matt Schulz of CompareCards.com discusses the impact that a $500 debt repayment will have on the average credit score, and Eric Heyman of the Olstein Strategic Opportunities fund makes his debut talking stocks in the Market Call.

Simeon Hyman, global investment strategist for ProShares, says that while investors have focused on technology and health-care stocks during the pandemic, the pet-care industry has been thriving, buoyed not only by increased demand but by the consistent way in which pet owners spend on their pets. The ProShares Pet Care ETF is up nearly 30 percent this year and Hyman said that steady gains and growth will be the real, long-term story of the fund. Also on the show, author Dawn Starks talks about 'Simplify Your Financial Life,' her book that has over 100 tips to help people take better control of their money and time, and Francisco Bido of Integrated Alpha and the F/m Large-Cap Focused Fund talks the art and science of his mostly quantitative approach in the Market Call.

Technical analyst Katie Stockton, founder of Fairlead Strategies, says that the stock market's winter swoon may have set it up for the current recovery and helped it avoid a bubble, but she warns that her outlook for the market in the short run is negative. The decline she sees coming, however, should prove to be a buying opportunity, because her long-term market expectation is positive and bullish, meaning that investors should be rewarded for buying into the trouble ahead. Also on the show, Rance Masheck of iVest Plus talks about the new wave of traders and whether conditions are right to lure newbies into the market only to give them a beating, Ted Rossman of Bankrate.com discusses home improvements and how people who need them mid-pandemic are paying for them during times when money is tight, and Leah Bennett of Westwood Wealth Management talks bottoms-up stock-picking and large-cap companies in the Market Call.

Martin Leclerc, chief investment officer at Barrack Yard Advisors, says in the Money Life Market Call that the stock market is currently poised to disappoint investors 'for at least a decade if not longer,' yet despite risk levels that he compares to past market meltdowns like 2008 and 1929 there are still some values worth buying for the long haul. Also on the show, Marc Zeitoun of Columbia Threadneedle on the ways exchange-traded funds are changing and how it affects the way investors use them, David Trainer puts Snap Inc. in the 'Danger Zone,' and Jacob Golstein -- best known for his work on the Planet Money podcast -- discusses his book, 'Money: The True Story of a Made-Up Thing.'

Jason Wilson, manager of the ETFMG Alternative Harvest fund (ticker MJ) says that investors who believe that the investment opportunity in legalized marijuana is from pot shops and people smoking dope are missing the much broader uses of cannabis and its potential in pharmaceuticals and biotech business and more. While the small names have attracted attention of risk takers, he says sticking with established companies -- and looking at supportive businesses -- is a way to reduce the Wild West elements of the industry. Also on the show, Dave Lamb, head of closed-end funds for Nuveen talks about how municipal bonds have rebounded sharply but haven't recovered pre-pandemic highs -- unlike investment-grade corporates -- making them attractive now, Davis Martin of The SPY Trade of the Day discusses how the market's movements are being dictated by moving averages, and David Norris, head of US credit at TwentyFour Asset Management covers the credit business and how it has responded to the lower-for-longer interest-rate environment.

Richard Peterson of MarketPsych Data says that most of the economy is not doing well as a result of the global pandemic, which has fostered two different markets, the one made up of companies profiting from the conditions and benefitting from consumer habits that are likely to be permanently changed, and then the market of companies hoping for a comeback or return to normal that may not be enough, ever, to bring them back. Peterson worries about where investors are with their thinking, noting that there is a fatigue driven by bad news and the election that also has the potential to slow the recovery. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com discusses a fund that's not yet in buying territory but that appears to be headed there as the country it focuses on starts to climb out of its deep coronavirus troubles, Ross Hambrick of William Blair and Co. provides his pre-election primer on how and why Americans' November choice will move the market, and Ryan Jacob of the Jacob Funds talks tech stocks in the Market Call.

Harry Dent Jr. of Dent Research, editor of the "Economy and Markets' newsletter, says he believes the worst crash of our lifetime started in February and that it will last to the end of 2022, driven by the Federal Reserve Bank 'losing control' early in 2021. He notes that the only markets that have returned to record highs are measured by the biggest domestic indexes, with every other measure below record highs and not ready to re-touch them soon. 'We really peaked in February, we had this first crash and [the Fed] stimulated their way out of that," Dent says, 'but each stimulus has to be stronger and I think they lose control ... in the first or second quarter of next year, just when most economists, most politicians, most business people and everyone I know thinks we will finally beat the virus and come out of it.' Also on the show, author Juliet Schor discusses her latest book, 'After the Gig: How the Sharing Economy Got Hijacked and How to Win It Back,' and Eric Shoenstein, lead portfolio manager for the Jensen Quality Growth fund (JENSX) taks stocks in the Market Call.

Robert Frick, corporate economist at Navy Federal Credit Union, says that the economy's problems are 'intractable' in the short and medium term, and while the recovery can continue, he believes it will be slower and less robust than most current forecasts, noting that while a long-running bull market brought the stock market back from the Great Recession of 2008, the economy in some ways is only just recapturing the levels it achieved before that massive correction. Also on the show, legendary value investor Joel Greenblatt of Gotham Asset Management returns to the show to discuss his new book -- released today -- 'Common Sense: The Investor's Guide to Equality, Opportunity and Growth,' which gives guidelines for how he thinks the investing world can improve society. Eddie Perkin of Eaton Vance also appears on the show, discussing the latest Eaton Vance Investing Pulse Survey.

Chris Vermeulen, chief market strategist at The Technical traders, says that enthusiasm over the market's run back to record highs has overheated, making it likely that there is a pullback of 5 to 10 percent, after which he expects the rally to resume and for stocks to grind back to record highs and beyond. Meanwhile, Marc Lichtenfeld, chief income strategist at The Oxford Club, says that dividend investors who want to give companies a break when they freeze, suspend or reduce payouts during these turbulent times might want to stick to their standards and not give too much of a pass just because the economy and market are experiencing tough times. Some leeway is warranted, Lichtenfeld notes, but dividend cuts remain a bad sign for income-oriented investors. Also on the show, securities attorney Thomas DeCapo of Skadden Arps discusses whether recent SEC rules changes will reduce activism in closed-end funds, and long-short manager Brad Lamensdorf of the Lamensdorf Market Timing report talks stocks in the Market Call.

Duke University economics professor Campbell Harvey, senior advisor at Research Affiliates, explains some of the seven risks he sees as being able to derail a robust economic recovery, noting that the biggest one is how giddy and excited investors have become, seeing the market's rebound through rose-colored glasses. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com selects a clean-energy fund as his ETF of the Week, Eric Groves of Alignable.com discusses his site's survey showing that nearly one-third of small business owners say they are in danger of going out of business in the fourth quarter, and Chuck answers a question from an audience member who is trying to figure out the next financial move after losing his job mid-pandemic.

Craig Callahan, founder of the ICON Funds -- who said just before the stock market bottomed out in late March that it was the best bargain pricing he had ever seen -- says that the market's rise back to record-high levels has dampened the shopping spree somewhat, but that plenty of values remain. He breaks companies into three groups now, those unaffected by the recession and pandemic, those hurt by the recession by likely to recover soon, and those that are significantly impaired, noting that market leaders aren't overpriced yet. Also on the show, Joel Schiffman of Schroders discusses just how wild investor expectations are now that the market has rebounded, Jack Towarnick of the American Research Association covers the changing ways that consumers are using health-savings accounts, and Jamie Cuellar of Buffalo Small-Cap Fund makes his debut in the Market Call.

Jeffrey Hirsch, editor of the Stock Trader's Almanac, says the stock market's seemingly ho-hum reaction to election news has been because the result remains a toss-up, but now that the conventions have passed and the election process is entering the home stretch, he expects a more significant response as market forces decide what kind of impact to expect from either an incumbent victory or a regime change. He notes that the market generally responds positively to a re-election and struggles more when an incumbent is defeated. Also on the show, Jerremy Newsome of Real Life Trading says the market is headed for trouble ahead -- a decline of 8 to 10 percent -- because it has overheated and become too optimistic. Still, after that kind of pullback, he expects the market to resume its climb and says 20 percent higher a year from now would not be surprising at all. Larry Swedroe, author of 'The Incredible Shrinking Alpha: How to be a Successful Investor Without Picking Winners" discusses his book and Matt Zajechowski of Digital Third Coast talks about how travelers are changing their habits now in order to get back on the road even as the pandemic drags on.

Famed value investor Joel Greenblatt, co-chief investment officer at Gotham Asset Management, explains how the market's changes haven't affected what he looks at in stocks, but stresses that value investors who insist on traditional measures like price-to-earnings or price-to-book ratios will not see the real bargains available now, even as the market returns to record-high levels. He explains how Amazon.com is a value stock now despite a massive 4-digit price tag, noting he thinks it could nearly double from here. Also on the show, David Trainer of New Constructs puts Carvana in the Danger Zone, saying the stock has all the earmarks of an imminent disaster, and Nancy Tengler of Laffer Tengler Wealth Management discusses stocks and her definition of value now in the Market Call.

JJ Kinahan, chief market strategist at TD Ameritrade, says that the virus and the election will dominate the market action for the remainder of the year and until they are settled, but he says that the election results may not shake things up much on the whole, instead hitting specific sectors hard. He notes that what happens in the House and Senate -- particularly if control of the latter shifts -- will have particular impact on the health-care and energy sectors. Also on the show, Bryan McGannon of US SIF discusses a controversial rules proposal that could limit or reduce investors' access to social investment funds in their retirement plans, Ted Rossman of CreditCards.com talks about the financial impacts -- and pitfalls -- from event cancellations, and Brian Bollinger of Simply Safe Dividends discusses the impact of dividend freezes cuts and suspensions on dividend-investing strategies in the current environment.

Jack Ablin, chief investment officer, says while market conditions are positive, investors need to be choosy because the current rally is not broad. To that end, he suggests that investors 'are better served by some individual selection,' both in stocks and bonds; he notes that the pandemic has highlighted the need for critical thinking, with stocks like Netflix and Disney that once were considered competitors on mostly equal footing now showing their big differences as the economy struggles to reopen. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com looks at the Standard & Poor's 500 in two ways as he picks two similar-but-different funds as 'ETF of the Week,' Laura Adams of Coverage.com talks about the stunningly high cost of adding teenagers to family auto insurance policies, and Eric Boughton of Matisse Capital says in the Market Call that most closed-end funds remain compelling values, allowing investors to buy valuable assets on the cheap..

Willie Delwiche, investment analyst at Baird, says that the market's technicals are sending a clear message that the market is in an uptrend that is likely to keep rolling, so that 'Getting really negative about the market right now doesn't make any sense.' In the Big Interview, Steve Rick, chief economist at CUNA Mutual group, notes that while he expected a recession in 2020, it was not for pandemic reasons, but the struggling economy actually addressed his concerns and so the weakness he anticipated won't stand in the way of a recovery from here.Also, Ismat Mangla of MagnifyMoney.com discusses their research into the dividend history -- freeze, cut, hold or increase -- of companies that furloughed workers or reduced payrolls during the coronavirus pandemic, and Noland Langford of Left Brain Investment Research talks stocks in the Market Call.

Avi Gilburt, founder of the Elliott Wave Trader, says he expects the Standard and Poor's 500 Index to hit 5,000 by 2022, and while he believes there will be a pullback before that rally starts, he believes there will be a 'global melt-up' that will dramatically lift global markets in 2021, allowing them to reach his long-term target the following year. Also on the show, Marc Chaikin: of Chaikin Analytics says that the market is only disconnected from the economy 'if you go by the old rules,' noting that unique times call for different guidelines and benchmarks. Chaikin says he will not fight either the Fed or the trend, notig that both are pushing the market higher and likely will keep it going that way into 2021 and beyond. Kasara Barto of Squaremouth.com joins Chuck to discuss about how travel insurance is working during the pandemic and who is actually using it now, and Jane Edmondson of EQM Indexes talks rules-based stock investing in the Market Call.

Dec Mullarkey, head of investment strategy at SLC Investments, says that the market's recovery has been largely bifurcated, with the FANG stocks benefitting from and fueling the run back to record highs while the rest of the Standard and Poor's 500 and the rest of the Standard and Poor's 500 has been struggling to recapture pre-pandemic prosperity. Mullarkey says that the market has reached the point where technology stocks have maximized their values and he expects a handoff from growth to value; the key for investors will be getting the transition right, thereby avoiding value traps. Mullarkey says that any market stalls or pullbacks could create buying opportunities. Also on the show, Greg Daco of Oxford Economics US discusses the latest National Association for Business Economics Outlook Survey -- out today -- which shows economists thinking the recovery will be long and slow and likely unfinished for at least two more years, Kyle Guske of New Constructs says that one of the stock market's biggest darlings belongs in The Danger Zone, and Chris Krumenacker of Bryn Mawr Trust discusses stocks in the Market Call.

The stock market may be back to record high levels, but Jeff Auxier of the Auxier Focus Fund notes that the rally has been narrow with just 6 percent of stocks at or near their peaks. Auxier believes the coronavirus pandemic has left many stocks in buying territory because it amounts to a 'fixable temporary problem,' the kind of thing that knocks down a stock price without impairing it permanently. Also on the show, Lawrence Holzenthaler of Symphony Nuveen discusses high-yield investing in a low-rate environment, and the disconnect between the how the equity and credit markets are thinking right now, Scott Kimball of BMO TCH Core Plus Bond Fund talks the broad fixed-income picture and Ted Rossman of Bankrate.com talks about the site's latest survey on how schooling decisions being made now are having a financial impact on the families dealing with them.

Eddy Augusten, investment committee chair at Concurrent Advisors, says that while the market looks stretched and risky -- with stocks and bonds both being expensive by some conventional metrics -- the economy is strong and showing signs that it can push the market higher. Augusten stressed the importance of looking beyond the standard numbers during times when numbers are uncertain and confusing. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes a new small-cap biotechnology fund his 'ETF of the Week,' Scott Thoma of Edward Jones discusses the changing ways Americans are viewing retirement, and Chuck answers three questions submitted by audience members.

Talley Leger, senior investment strategist at Invesco, says that while the stock market has been gaining speed and heading to new highs, it also has building headwinds that must be overcome -- but that can be conquered -- before the market can continue its recent rally. Leger suggested that investors will need to move away from defensive sectors and be ready to be more aggressive if the market can overcome its current obstacles. Also on the show, William Quinn, co-author of '"Boom and Bust: A Global History of Financial Bubbles' compares the current economic situation to historic market bubbles, and Stephen Dodson, manager of the Bretton Fund, talks about value investing in current market conditions and the need to stay focused on the long run in the Market Call.

Gene Peroni of Peroni Portfolio Advisors says that the market is signalling now that the worst of the coronavirus has played out and that there is something significantly more optimistic ahead of us. 'Indicators we are looking at see the market at substantially higher levels,' Peroni says, ultimately noting that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is likely to hit 36,000 before the end of the current market cycle, which he notes could last a few years. Hitting a contrasting note to that technical outlook is Markus Schomer, chief economist at Pinebridge Investments, who says that interpretation of current economic numbers is upside down. He notes that countries that had the worst second-quarter GDP numbers were those that shut down against Covid-19 most comprehensively, which means they can reopen with greater confidence, as opposed to countries -- like the United States -- that struggled to keep GDP numbers up but that did poorly against the virus meaning that its effects will linger on. Also on the show, Chuck answers some audience questions and Amy Arnott of Morningstar discusses gold and why investors flocking to it now should know its historical long-term impacts on a portfolio.

Tendayi Kapfidze, chief economist at LendingTree, says that a looming eviction crisis will have a dramatic impact on the economy, even if the number of actual evictions is held ni check by lawmakers. Kapfidze noted that the economic troubles hidden in renters unable to make payments and landlords unable to collect rents will make it that the economy can;t recover to pre-coronavirus levels soon. While the decline itself may not be deep and traumatic, Kapfidze notes that 'A 10 percent sustained decline in the economy is a significant thing and will do a lot of damage to the economy as a whole.' Also on the show, Jean Young of Vanguard discusses how few of the firm's investors showed signs of panic during the market downturn in February and March, and that those who did exit for the safety of cash mostly would have been better off sticking with stocks, David Trainer of New Constructs says Wayfair may be popular but the stock is headed for trouble, and Kathy Boyle of Chapin Hill Advisors talks funds and ETFs in the Market Call.

Martin Pring of Pring research says that investors may intuitively feel that the stock market has rebounded too quickly from March lows and might be expecting a downturn, but notes that the indicators he relies on are showing that stocks are oversold. As a result, Pring suggests going with the head -- and the mathematics of technical analysis -- and pay attention to numbers showing that the market has a lot of upside momentum that could extend the current rally by at least 10 percent and that could make it last several more years. Also on the show, veteran financial journalist John Waggoner talks about why the media overlooks closed-end funds, author Frank Stricker discusses unemployment from a past, present and future perspective, and Mike Bailey of FBB Capital Partners talks stocks in the Market Call.

Kevin Mahn, chief investment officer at Hennion and Walsh, says that stock market valuations have again risen to where they should make investors nervous, based on where they stand compared to price/earnings ratios for the market. As a result, Mahn says investors will need to be more selective for the rest of this year and all the way through 2022. Mahn is turning to preferred securities for the income side of portfolios, and looking in biotech, e-commerce and technology for stocks, favoring small- and mid-cap issues which he says are better values. Also ont he show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes a homebuilders' specialty fund his ETF of the Week, Ted Rossman of CreditCards.com discusses the growing number of consumers worried about missing credit-card payments in the pandemic, and Sandy Villere talks growth stocks at reasonable prices in the Market Call.

Adrian Helfert, portfolio manager for the Westwood Income Opportunity Fund, says that while investors might be nervous about the economy and the potential for a downturn, they should go along with the market's trends and not fight the central bankers who have been fueling the rebound action since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. He says investors should look beyond the big names that have been driving the recovery to see what opportunities look best next, and suggested that following the central bankers' should include looking for opportunities in Europe and beyond. Also on the show, Jim Tankersley of the New York Times discusses his new book 'The Riches of This Land' about America's middle class, and Chuck answers several questions from audience members.

Mike Larson, senior editor at Weiss Ratings and editor of Weiss' Safe Money Report, says in the Market Call that investors right now seem to be stopping to catch their breath after the market's Covid-19 recovery, waiting to see if there is more than just massive government stimulus propping up the market or is there another leg down ahead. Larson has been advocating sectors that do well in a 'ZIRP Forever' -- zero interest rate policy forever -- environment, meaning yield-oriented investments, precious metals and consumer staples companies. Also on the show, Stephen Kalayjian of Ticker Tocker takes a look at the current technicals, Linda Zhang of SoFi discusses the trend that is seeing so many young and new investors become stock traders during the pandemic, and author Paul Starobin talks about 'A Most Wicked Conspiracy,' his true tale of a nearly forgotten financial swindle from America's gold rush.

Giles Coghlan, chief currency strategist for HYCM, says that the economy will struggle to move forward without a coronavirus vaccine or treatment, but even without the economic boost that will come from solutions, he expects uncertainty and low real interest rates to drive gold significantly higher this year. He suggests investors should avoid buying gold at peaks and should look for pullbacks, which he says will be happening in the midst of gold's climb. Also on the show, Simon Lack of SL Advisors says in the Market Call that the energy sector is really cheap, paying big dividends for investors looking to generate cash flow on the cheap, Kyle Guske of New Constructs talks about a brand-name stock that looks attractive, and Mike Brown of LendEDU discusses consumer complaint levels during pandemic times.

Paul Christopher, head of global market strategy for the Wells Fargo Investment Institute, says that the stock market may be waiting until after a Democratic vice presidential candidate is named before starting to factor current polls into current prices, but he cautioned that even as the market starts to reconnect to the potential voting outcome, investors should be waiting until they see more from candidates before altering portfolios. Instead, he suggests waiting until you know more about taxes, infrastructure spending plans, health care reform and more before altering a portfolio, noting that the likely changes will involve adding to health care and infrastructure plays while backing away from energy and financials. Also on the show, Tom Roseen of Lipper Refinitiv talks about the closed-end fund resurgence since the dismal showing they posted during the February downturn, Giulia Prati of Opinium discusses changing consumer shopping habits and how the impact of the pandemic may liner long after a vaccine is found, and John Johnson of Edgeworth Economics discusses how the pandemic has impacted the numbers used in forecasting and how that is changing the numbers that economists rely on and that consumers should believe.

Neil Hennessy, chairman and chief executive at Hennessy Advisors and the Hennessy Funds, says that the stock market has withstood the global pandemic largely because of the underlying strength in corporate balance sheets and the overall economy. Those underpinnings should help ensure that the market doesn't fall too far on bad news and can shake off most events, unlike past crisis times where weak economics exacerbated societal problems and elevated investors' pain levels. Also on the show, Tom Lydon of ETFTrends.com makes a new health-care fund that highlights the technologies brought forth in the pandemic his 'ETF of the Week,' Matthew Schulz of CompareCards.com discusses how credit-card issuers are cutting back on untapped credit limits and old unused accounts as they tighten up in the pandemic, and James Abate of the Centre Funds talks investing defensively in stocks in the Market Call.

Alan McKnight, chief investment officer at Regions Asset Management, anticipates a sluggish, uneven economy and stock market as the country gets through the coronavirus pandemic into 2021, noting that the big technology names will flatten out a bit and small-cap names will slowly come to the fore as the market rotates into the next growth environment..In a second Big Interview, David Wright, lead portfolio manager for the Sierra Mutual Funds, says he has adopted BCOT -- 'Be careful out there' -- as his mantra for both the pandemic and the current market, and says he is using stops on every position to make sure the market's potential for volatility doesn't take away hard-earned gains made during the rebound. Also, Maggie Craddock, author of 'Lifeboat: Navigating Unexpected Career Change and Disruption' talks about how workers whose jobs have been displaced by the pandemic can turn that disappointment into a new start.

Michael Oh, manager of the Matthew Asia Innovators Fund, says the global pandemic has sped up the consumer revolution in emerging markets, but especially in China, which is making consumer companies and technology stocks look particularly appealing because such a gigantic market is opening and once the consumers adopt the technologies they will continue on with them even after the initial impetus to invest in them has passed, Also on the show, Mary Wisniewski of Bankrate.com talks about changing technology in automated teller machines and how consumers can safely use ATMs in a Covid-19 world, Mike Brown of LendEDU discusses per-capita spending on the lottery around the country -- and reveals that Chuck's home state is where individuals lay out the most money per person on tickets -- and Odeta Kushi of First American talks about the changing housing market and the Home Ownership Progress Index and what it says about how the market of home buyers is shifting.