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The Dutch historian Rutger Bregman is calling on the world's best and brightest to quit their corporate jobs and show some more 'moral ambition', to build a better world. And botanical hysteria in Victorian England. How wealthy orchid fanatics sent hunters around the world in search of the ultimate bloom.*This show originally aired on 08 May 2025.

Doc Evatt, an influential Australian politician and jurist, played a notable role in shaping Israel’s early international standing. As President of the UN General Assembly in 1948, he was a strong advocate for the UN partition plan that led to the creation of the State of Israel. Plus sailor and author Tim Queeney examines the fundamental role that rope has played in shaping human civilisation, from enabling the construction of the Egyptian pyramids to facilitating Magellan’s historic circumnavigation and the building of iconic structures like the Brooklyn Bridge.

A new documentary recounts the 15-year struggle of three sisters from Melbourne's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community to bring their abuser and former-headmistress Malka Leifer to justice. Plus, science writer David Baron transports us to 1890s America, when many were convinced there was intelligent life on the planet Mars.

UK columnist Ian Dunt surveys the strange world of political party conferences in the UK, plus the emerging role of former PM Tony Blair in plans for Gaza. The young Hazara activist Nila Ibrahimi shares her story of fleeing the Taliban, and her fight for the rights of girls and women in Afghanistan. Plus, the mad colonial experiment to bring Atlantic salmon from the northern hemisphere, to Tasmania.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has wrapped up his three-day visit to the UK, including an appearance at the UK Labour Party conference. He's told the British party faithful that he has an "absolute resolve to stand together and defend democracy itself". The ANU's Mark Kenny wraps up the visit. And what is Stablecoin, the cryptocurrency that financial regulator ASIC has licensed? Plus author Dorothy Armstrong uncovers the remarkable relationship between carpets and power.

It's been 70 years since 29 nations of Africa and Asia gathered in Bandung Indonesia in 1955 to forge a path beyond Empire, and lay the foundations for the non-aligned movement during the Cold War. Plus, the life of the pioneering South Australian policewoman Kate Cocks - a formidable figure, with a complex legacy.

Many assumptions are made about the politics and voting habits of young Australians, but what does the data actually say about generational political shifts? Plus, why have NGOs (non-government organisations) lost so much power and influence since their heyday in the 1990s?

The fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination continues, with dozens of academics fired for their comments and Jimmy Kimmel returning to the air. Kirk was memorialised in a huge public event, in which Trump declared "hate" for his political opponents. In Nepal, the country is rebuilding its politics after a flash "Gen Z revolution" toppled the government and caused its aged leader to flee. Will Nepal be ready for elections by March? Here at home, the cost of suing for defamation can be prohibitive — and a new Australian tort of privacy came into effect in June.

The ANU's Mark Kenny on Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's performance at the UN General Assembly, how US President Donald Trump is going easy on white collar criminals, and the world's first collection of Muslim-Australian poetry.

The Australian War Memorial has overruled a decision to award a military history literary prize to Chris Masters’ book, Flawed Hero: Truth, Lies and War Crimes about the alleged war criminal Ben Roberts-Smith. According to the memorial chair, the rules prevent established authors from being considered. And the troubled history of the CIA since 9/11.

Australian anthropologist Hassan Gage makes the case that humiliation and its counterpart, dignity, are overlooked motivators of politics, both locally and globally. Plus why billionaire founder of Patagonia, Yvon Chouinard, gave his fortune away to save the planet.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, according to a report by a United Nations Commision of Inquiry. One of the key authors of that report, Australian human rights lawyer Chris Sidoti, joins Late Night Live just hours after its release. Meanwhile, the United Kindgom is preparing for a visit from Donald Trump. But America has already affected UK politics, with the sacking of Peter Mandelson as ambassador to the US over his connections with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Last, to Anguilla, where their domain name .ai has turned into a digital jackpot thanks to the frenzy around artificial intelligence.

Anna Henderson on why both Labor and the Coalition are still grappling with climate targets when our first risk assessment shows urgent action is needed. Bruce Shapiro looks at the fall-out from the Charlie Kirk killing and why we keep the QWERTY keyboard, when other layouts are so much more efficient.

A new film investigates how Germany's desire to never to repeat the horrendous anti-Semitism that led to the Holocaust has resulted in the suppression of any criticism of Israel and its actions in Gaza. Plus how an ornithologist helped solve murders and hate crimes, with her expert knowledge of feathers.

The growing appeal of Donald Trump to the right wing Chinese community in the US, and the hidden war for collective memory - how narratives about nationhood shape politics.

Trump's soon-to-be-renamed "Department of War" killed 11 people on a boat, saying they were Venezuelan drug smugglers. As Bruce Shapiro says, the killings were a brazenly extrajudicial act. Closer to home, Papua New Guinea will celebrate 50 years as an independent nation next week, a status it achieved when it separated from the ruling colonial power — Australia. We revisit the history of Papua New Guinea, and why so many Australians forgot (or never learned) that it was once our territory. Then to Australian literature, and the demise of the 85-year-old literary magazine, Meanjin.

Anna Henderson discusses the fall-out from Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price's comments on Indian migration, India's PM Narendra Modi wants a closer relationship, with China, but what does China want from India? And how the Gaelic language lived and died in Australia.

Sir Gerard Brennan served as the 10th Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia, the highest judicial position in the country. He was involved in several landmark cases, including the famous Mabo v Queensland (No 2) (1992) decision. This case overturned the concept of "terra nullius" (land belonging to no one) and recognised the native title rights of Indigenous Australians for the first time under Australian law. His son Frank Brennan has collected his father's speeches in Gerard Brennan’s Articles and Speeches, Vol 2: Law in Accord with Justice

Behrouz Boochani was locked in Naura for more than half a decade after fleeing the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC). Now, that group will be designated a terrorist organisation by the Australian government. Meanwhile, in the United States, the Trump administration is sacking librarians and deleting public archives. Oxford librarian Richard Ovenden, is the author of "Burning the Books: A History of Knowledge under Attack".

Ian Dunt looks at Nigel Farage's scare campaign on migration in the UK, Al Jazeera plus' Managing Director, Dima Khatib, speaks out about the huge number of journalists Israel has killed in Gaza, and, as the price of gold hits new heights, LNL traces its history and its continuing allure.

Liberal leader Sussan Ley condemned the weekend's anti immigration protests, but CLP Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price supported them. Meanwhile the government has signed a $400million deportation deal with Nauru. Plus what is Project Esther and why do they think Hamas has infiltrated Australia? And a new history argues that the dandy was often a working-class irritant, subverting class structures through their sartorial splendour.

The 2025 federal election marked the most significant electoral defeat in the history of the Liberal–National Coalition, with the party reduced to just 43 seats. The result was widely attributed to strategic missteps, internal divisions, and a failure to connect with a changing electorate. Almost four months on, where does the future lie for the Liberal Party? GUESTS:Judith Brett, Emeritus Professor of politics at La Trobe UniversityFrank Bongiorno, Professor of history at the Australian National UniversityPaul Kelly, Editor-at-Large at The AustralianPRODUCER Ali Benton

Robyn Williams looks back at fifty years of broadcasting The Science Show on ABC Radio National. Plus, why the tech tycoons of Silicon Valley love the philosophy of French literary scholar Rene Girard.

From the USA, Bruce Shapiro on the latest deportation attempts against Kilmar Ábrego García, the FBI raid on John Bolton, and the twentieth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. Then to Palestine, where the leader of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, is 89 and deeply unpopular. As Australia and other Western states move towards a recognition of a Palestinian state, what could that future Palestinian state look like? And: before the days of Instagram, personal cameras, and privacy laws, street photographers set themselves up around Sydney. The industry peaked between the 1930s-1950s, and has left the legacy of an incredible archive.

Anna Henderson from SBS World News looks at the Nationals' attempt to repeal their net zero emissions target and what that means for the Coalition's energy and environment policy credibility. Sudan is facing the worst humanitarian crisis in the world, with 25 million people hungry and the largest number of displaced people as their civil war has no end in sight. And, three years since the federal government announced its plans to name an Australian poet laureate in 2025, it has yet to do so, and the Khaled Sabsabi saga might be a reason for the delay.

Drawing on her expertise in mental health and trauma studies, Palestinian psychiatrist, Doctor Samah Jabr, explores how the trauma of displacement and conflict continues to shape Palestinian lives. And why wool became one of the most important commodities for militaries across the globe.

John Menadue has been at the heart of Australian public life for over fifty years, working for the Whitlam, Fraser and Hawke governments. He oversaw the effective end to Australia's White Australia Policy, was CEO of Qantas and set up the Centre for Policy Development. In the media he ran The Australian for Rupert Murdoch, launched the online weekly New Matilda and founded the influential public policy platform, Pearls and Irritations. Now aged ninety, John reflects on Australia's media, in particular its coverage of the war in Gaza, our attitudes to race relations, AUKUS, our relationship with the United States and how Australia is navigating its place in the world during a global power shift. Guest: John Menadue, Founder and Editor in Chief of Pearls and Irritations Producer: Catherine Zengerer

Columnist Ian Dunt on the UK & European scramble to support Zelenskyy and Ukraine at the White House, after Trump's meeting with Putin in Alaska. After two years behind bars, the former PM of Pakistan Imran Khan remains defiant, but at what cost? Plus, should lost buildings be rebuilt, replicated, or left in ruins?

Laura Tingle assesses the meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin and where President Zelenskyy fits in the negotiations. A world-first bilateral climate mobility program, will see Tuvalu citizens have the right to apply for Australian visas. Plus the curious and often hilarious origins of British surnames.

A new documentary looks at how the evangelical movement began in the US, spread to South America, paved the way for the presidency of Jair Bolsonaro and now poses the threat of a national theocracy. And the last letters of French Resistance fighters before they were executed by the Nazis in World War Two

Acclaimed US journalists and podcast collaborators with The Atlantic Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober join David Marr in-studio to discuss the MAGA women who love Trump, the state of the media in post-insurrection America, and the importance of complex human storytelling in journalism. Guests: Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober, co-hosts of the podcast We Live Here Now. Hanna is also Senior Editor at the Atlantic and host of Radio Atlantic Producer: Catherine Zengerer

Bruce Shapiro looks at the man behind Donald Trump's immigration policy, Stephen Miller. The increasing pressure on Egypt to take action on Gaza. Plus how deer went feral.

Australia has announced its recognition of Palestinian statehood, joining a growing number of countries supporting a two-state solution. And historian Shayne Breen, traces the 40,000 years of Aboriginal exploration, land settlement and hunting practices in Tasmania

US debt is now at a level that some economists call "the death zone". Donald Trump is hoping his tariffs will help, but Satyajit Das thinks disaster is looming. Plus a century since Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in prison, John Kampfner looks at its impact in Germany and beyond.

Eighty years since Hiroshima a nuclear expert says deterrence policies are no longer enough to deal with the increasing prospect of nuclear escalation. Plus inside London's exclusive clubs - how much have they changed since they were the illegal gambling dens of the eighteenth century?

Ian Dunt looks at the backlash to UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer's intention to recognise Palestine. The bombs have stopped on the Thai-Cambodia border but how long can peace last? Plus why the global trade of beef and livestock remains a source of risk and anxiety forty years since the mad cow disease outbreak.

After nearly ten years, Late Night Live has changed its tune. Annabel Crabb reflects on the lessons for Australian politicians after the Sydney Harbour bridge walk for Gaza plus Anne Applebaum on Ukraine's corruption issues and the next round of ceasefire talks with Russia.

Israel is using AI to track and target Hamas operatives - and those around them. Ukraine is efficiently deploying cheap drones against the military might of Russia. Both conflicts show us how quickly warfare is changing, according to acclaimed New Yorker writer Dexter Filkins. And just when you thought you knew the story of the Titanic, we hear about an overlooked group of passengers. There were eight Chinese men aboard, but their presence has been largely forgotten.

The Director of Pompeii Archaeological Park Gabriel Zuchtriegel shares some of the latest discoveries from the buried Roman city, as new areas are excavated for the first time. Plus, the Australian adventures of Hollywood writer Zane Grey, who hunted sharks and other game fish in 1930s Australia.

Bruce Shapiro on how the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein is haunting US President Donald Trump. Editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post, Zvika Klein, on the disappearance of the Left in Israeli politics. Plus, the fight to preserve Iraq's magnificent marshlands, drying out due to climate change.

Annabel Crabb looks at why the Coalition is refusing to condemn the starvation of people in Gaza by Israel and why they are walking away from net zero. And acclaimed Irish journalist Fintan O'Toole examines Donald Trump's presidency, seven months in.

Former Liberal leader John Hewson says after two years the National Anti-Corruption Commission has failed in its mission to properly investigate allegations of systemic corruption. Plus how US President Theodore Roosevelt's sons introduced the panda to the West.

Health officials in Gaza say starvation is now killing Palestinians at a faster rate than at any point in the 21-month war. China might be a coal behemoth, but our northern neighbours are also dominating the world in renewable energy. Plus the rise and fall of Russian mercenary Yevgeny Prigozhin. Two years since he was killed in a plane crash, how has the Wagner group reorganised?

Regular UK commentator Ian Dunt looks at the Palestine Action group's High Court bid against its proscription as a terrorist organisation. The US is planning to send Afghan expats home, many of whom assisted the US against the Taliban. And Australia will stop processing cheques by 2030. Should we mourn their demise?

As parliament returns for the first time since the federal election, Annabel Crabb looks at how Labor will use its large majority. Saudi Arabia is executing drug offenders at an alarming rate and Japan is running out of rice.

Professor Chris Wallace argues the decline in both enrolments in, and the offering of history and other humanities subjects at Australian universities has resulted in a loss of capacity for historical thinking. Plus, how women have handled unwanted and dangerous pregnancies throughout history.

The Torres Strait Islanders' case against the federal government over responsibility for action on climate change may have been lost, but another significant case is coming up in the International Court of Justice which could set a new legal framework for future cases. Plus more than 25 years ago another case of a missing tourist in outback WA dominated the headlines, but in this case the missing man did not want to be found.

The Trump Administration now has the legal green light to dismantle the Education Department; Australia played a leading role in the fight against HIV/AIDS. And what is being hailed as the world's richest shipwreck, the San Jose, lies off the coast of Colombia.

ABC's chief online political writer, Annabel Crabb, on what Anthony Albanese is hoping to achieve during his visit to China, and unpacking Israel's plan to forcibly re-locate Palestinians in Gaza into large-scale camps. Plus the evolutionary genius of feathers

Harvard Professor Naomi Oreskes on the impact of President Trump's slashing of science funding. And two historians, one Indigenous (Jackie Huggins) and one not (Ann McGrath), on what can be learnt from Indigenous perspectives on our history.