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The Liberal Party has to make some big decisions about its direction, and journalist Anna Henderson is watching closely. Author Antony Dapiran on how the sentencing of publisher Jimmy Lai points to a rapidly changing Hong Kong. And Conny Aerts, a pioneer in making music from the vibrations of stars.

Trump flies over a US city in a jet, dumping excrement on protesters; welcome to the era of government-endorsed AI slop videos. Charlie Warzel from The Atlantic joins the show to talk about the US's experiment in government-by-meme. Plus: psychologist Steven Pinker argues that what drives society is knowing that what we know is widely know — in his term, "common knowledge". But what if our beliefs about everyone else's inner thoughts turn out to be wrong?

Gaza is today in ruins, with over seventy thousand dead and buildings everywhere rendered rubble by the onslaught from Israel since the Hamas attack of October 7, 2023. Many argue the war on Gaza began at this point, but historian Julie Norman has traced the history of both the land, its people and the terrible wars that have plagued what was once a beautiful and prosperous place for a century and destroyed the dreams of the Palestinian people. Guest: Julie M. Norman, Associate Professor of Politics and International Relations at University College London, and an Associate Fellow at Chatham House. Author of Gaza: The Dream and the Nightmare, co-authored with Maia Carter Hallward, Director of the PhD Program in International Conflict Management and Professor of Middle East Politics at Kennesaw State UniversityProducer: Catherine Zengerer

NSW Police responded with violence to a Sydney protest against Israeli President Herzog's support of Israel's war on Gaza. An American journalist describes the challenge of working through the Epstein files. And an Australian university librarian found a drawing and an inscription in the back of a very old book, which helped to reveal a 500-year-old mystery about the life of a famous Italian painter.

In parliament's second sitting week of the year, the Liberals are contemplating "non-existence". Australia recently formalised a major security treaty with Indonesia, which Albanese described as a "watershed moment". Plus: the toads are feral. How did cane toads get this way? And what can Australia do about these hopping menaces?

An unauthorised biography of US broadcaster Tucker Carlson shows how he wields his influence. And it's 100 years since the creation of Winnie the Pooh.

Ian Dunt does not spare Peter Mandelson, the former ambassador to the US who was pictured in his underwear in Jeffrey Epstein's mansion and accused of sharing "market-sensitive information" with Epstein. That's just one of the bombshells from the latest tranche of documents from Epstein's files. In other world news, India has cut two huge trade deals recently; the first with the European Union, followed by one with the United States. Then: a new documentary that exposes the trade in polar bear fur.

US politics commentator Bruce Shapiro looks at the aftermath of the ICE killing of Alex Pretti. President Trump's intended intervention in Iran seems less clear. Professor Ali Ansari, from St Andrews University, canvasses the geopolitical implications of any international interventions. And artist Peter Drew, who is responsible for the 'Aussie' posters around our cities, wants to engage with young right wing men.

As parliament returns, the conservative side of politics is in a moment of upheaval. Leadership questions hang over Littleproud and Ley, and One Nation surges in the polls. Also visiting Canberra next week will be Israel's president, Isaac Herzog, in a trip to mourn the victims of the Bondi attack — but it's a visit that's drawing scrutiny from critics of Israel's war in Gaza. Then: the story of the Colleano family, who gained international fame as circus stars... while hiding their Aboriginal identity on the world stage.

"Our politics is dumb and completely short-sighted and personally obsessed." At 93 Barry Jones, former ALP National President, writer and public intellectual, has a thing or two to say about politics and society. He sits down with David Marr for a long discussion on the nature of parliament, his frustrations about climate inaction, his relationship with Bob Hawke, his view on AUKUS and the numinous experience of hearing the music you love, performed exquisitely. Guest: Barry Jones, former ALP politician, writer and social activist.Producers: David Marr and Catherine Zengerer Barry's music list: Maria João Pires playing Beethoven’s Piano Concerto No 4 with Herbert Blomstedt conducting the NHK Symphony Orchestra. Barry says: “It's like one of the great experiences. Your heart beat changes, your breathing changes, everything changes. It's such a wonderful work.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_juGZePAxpQPires playing Beethoven’s Piano Concerto No 3 with Frans Brüggen and the Orchestra of the Eighteenth Century. Barry says: “A stunning recording.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR95EK9fEKo&list=RDhR95EK9fEKo&start_radio=1Alfred Della singing Esurientes implevit bonis from Bach’s Magnificat in D major with the Kalmar Orchestra conducted by Pierre Colombo. Barry says: “Esurientes is just extraordinary.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Amko575QCEBach’s Fuge à la Gigue BWV 577. Tom Koopman on the organ of the Walloon Church of AmsterdamBarry says: “A sort of hustling thing. Get out, get out, get out, get out and do things.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHb4d8TwIE

The Australian Coalition is no longer, and the newly alone Nationals are rethinking their leadership. We assess the role of the Nationals in the Coalition over the years, and forecast what might happen next. And the little known story of Thomas Willing, who bankrolled – and in the process helped save – the American Revolution, and then fundamentally shaped the financial architecture of the young Republic.

Donald Trump will send his border czar to Minnesota and says his administration is "reviewing everything" in relation to the shooting death of nurse, Alex Pretti, by federal agents in Minneapolis. Bruce Shapiro looks at the political backlash in the US, and what it means for the Trump administration. Plus, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is losing faith in the International rules based order - his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos went viral. And the tiniest creatures you've never heard of- springtails.

What do the numbers tell us about how many Australians are buying into the anti-immigrant rhetoric from the far right? Then, a look at last year's expansion of Indigenous Protected Areas, the biggest in history. Plus, a backwards glance at Australian history through the lens of a single day — January 26 — and the strange, serious, and uncomfortable things that day reveals about our nation.

It’s 125 years since the death of Oscar Wilde. The famous playwright and author died alone in a French hotel in 1900. Since that time, so much has been written about his wit, prose and character. Some of it fact, some of it rumour, much of it, speculation. In his new book called After Oscar: The Legacy of a Scandal, Oscar Wilde’s grandson, Merlin Holland, sets the record straight. The book is thirty years in the making and is an exploration of Wilde’s posthumous reputation and how his imprisonment for homosexuality affected Wilde's family, friends and literary legacy.Guest: Merlin Holland, Oscar Wilde's grandson and author, Oscar: The Legacy of a Scandal,Producer: Ali Benton

As US President Donald Trump eyes the UK with tariff threats over Greenland, i Paper columnist and UK correspondent, Ian Dunt, examines Keir Starmer’s response — and whether he has any cards to play. Plus, who is Stephen Miller, the 40-year-old shaping America's immigration agenda?

Bruce Shapiro looks back at how US President Donald Trump has changed the world in one year, and how the world is responding to his plans for a "Board of Peace". Plus a former British MP investigates just how the Royal family is making its money, and it's not all coming from taxpayers.

Bernard Keane looks at the political ramifications of the Bondi shooting, and legal experts Katharine Gelber and Greg Barns discuss the limitations of the proposed legislation.

Tim Minchin turned fifty this year and just ran a marathon for the first time. He's returned home to Australia, with his new album Time Machine, and his tour 'Songs the World Will Never Hear'. In this special one-hour conversation, David speaks to Tim about the joys of running, quitting social media and worrying less.GUEST: Tim MinchinPRODUCER: Ali BentonOriginally broadcast October 16, 2025

While we've all been distracted with what's happening on Earth, an Australian lawyer has been helping the United Nations to draft the rules of resources in space. We speak with Emeritus Professor Steven Freeland about who really owns that comet. Then: to the last two Australians who were ever declared outlaws. On the eve of Federation, 1900, the Governor brothers murdered nine people and set of a months-long manhunt. Why has their story been told and re-told for more than a century?

The Director of Pompeii Archaeological Park, Gabriel Zuchtriegel, shares some of the latest discoveries from the buried Roman city, as new areas are excavated for the first time. Plus, the Australian adventures of Hollywood writer Zane Grey, who hunted sharks and other game fish in 1930s Australia.

John Menadue has been at the heart of Australian public life for over fifty years, working for the Whitlam, Fraser and Hawke governments. He oversaw the effective end to Australia's White Australia Policy, was CEO of Qantas and set up the Centre for Policy Development. In the media he ran The Australian for Rupert Murdoch, launched the online weekly New Matilda and founded the influential public policy platform, Pearls and Irritations. Now aged ninety, John reflects on Australia's media, in particular its coverage of the war in Gaza, our attitudes to race relations, AUKUS, our relationship with the United States and how Australia is navigating its place in the world during a global power shift. Guest: John Menadue, Founder and Editor in Chief of Pearls and Irritations Producer: Catherine Zengerer*This show originally aired on 20 August 2025

In 1998, the former Chilean head of state Augusto Pinochet was arrested on charges of crimes against humanity and genocide. Philippe Sands was called to advise Pinochet on his claim to immunity, but would instead represent a human rights organisation against him.Guest: Philippe Sands, author of 38 Londres Street: On Impunity, Pinochet in England and a Nazi in PatagoniaOriginally broadcast on 17 April, 2025

Environmental lawyers around the world have successfully made the case that rivers have rights, a movement that renowned science writer Dr. Robert Macfarlane tracks in his new book, 'Is a River Alive?'. Macfarlane takes us to some of the world's most beautiful rivers, and asks: what is it about running water that we find so compelling? And speaking of compelling, David Baron tells the story of how humans first become obsessed with the planet Mars. Was a 19th-century American's belief in Martians an accidental catalyst for modern space exploration?

Acclaimed US journalists and podcast collaborators with The Atlantic Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober join David Marr in-studio to discuss the MAGA women who love Trump, the state of the media in post-insurrection America, and the importance of complex human storytelling in journalism. Guests: Hanna Rosin and Lauren Ober, co-hosts of the podcast We Live Here Now. Hanna is also Senior Editor at the Atlantic and host of Radio Atlantic Producer: Catherine Zengerer*This show originally aired on 13 August 2025

Drawing on her expertise in mental health and trauma studies, Palestinian psychiatrist, Doctor Samah Jabr, explores how the trauma of displacement and conflict continues to shape Palestinian lives. And why wool became one of the most important commodities for militaries across the globe.*This episode originally aired on 21 August 2025

What can we learn from Indigenous perspectives on Australian history? Two historians, one Indigenous and one not, explore new and very, very old ways of seeing the past in 'Deep History: Country and Sovereignty'. Then: shade. On a warming planet, shade takes on a new significance. It is an unevenly distributed resource, and, Sam Bloch argues, too often overlooked in urban design. On this special summer episode we look at shade in a new light.

If you left a feather at an American crime scene during the 20th century, chances are that Roxie Laybourne would be called. Laybourne was "The Feather Detective", a Smithsonian forensic ornithologist who solved crimes using her extensive knowledge of birds. Then: the makers of a documentary on the life of Emily Kam Kngwarray, the Indigenous-Australian painter who first picked up a brush in her seventies.

Should prison architecture be used for punishment, or could it be used to create hope, instead? 'Jaywalking' is being decriminalised in some US states as campaigners say the law has been disproportionately enforced on black and Latino residents. Plus how did we end up with the QWERTY keyboard, when it wasn't designed to be fast or logical?

Sir Gerard Brennan served as the 10th Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia, the highest judicial position in the country. He was involved in several landmark cases, including the famous Mabo v Queensland (No 2) (1992) decision. This case overturned the concept of "terra nullius" (land belonging to no one) and recognised the native title rights of Indigenous Australians for the first time under Australian law. His son Frank Brennan has collected his father's speeches in Gerard Brennan’s Articles and Speeches, Vol 2: Law in Accord with Justice Guest: Father Frank Brennan, SJ

After 30 years of appearances on Late Night Live Laura Tingle shared her memories of Australian politics and her favourite LNL appearances before she began her role as ABC Global Affairs Editor. Plus why Aussies are in love with outdoor cinema.

Is over-tourism coming for Antarctica? As more and more people travel south for awe and adventure, our guest has some proposals to keep Antarctica pristine. Plus: Dame Harriet Walter, internationally famous for her TV roles, has long been a celebrated Shakespeare actor on the stage. Walter has inhabited the minds of Shakespeare's women for more than half a century, and her new book imagines what else those women might have said... if only they'd been given more lines.

Linguistics Professor Emily Bender, warns that the big tech companies who promote AI, with an almost spiritual zeal, may be off the mark. Plus the bizarre story of the Roosevelt family members who sought to prove the existence of giant pandas to the West.

20 years on from her famous novel The Secret River, writer Kate Grenville retraces the footsteps of her settler ancestors, and asks what it means to be on land taken from other people.Guest: Kate Grenville, author of Unsettled, published by Black Inc

Leni Riefenstahl has been hailed as one of the greatest directors of all time, even though her most famous films were works of propaganda for Hitler's Reich. Her film about the 1934 Nuremberg rallies broke new ground in cinematic techniques and had a huge influence on filmmakers for years to come. Riefenstahl always claimed she was just an artist, unaware of Nazi atrocities, but a new documentary reveals secrets from her extensive archives.GUEST: Andres Veiel, Director, 'Riefenstahl', showing at the German Film Festival PRODUCER: Catherine Zengerer*This show originally aired on 01 May 2025

Australian literature was never the same after McPhee Gribble Publishing, the revolutionary women-owned publishing house. The venture was started in 1975 by Diana Gribble, a socialite working in advertising, and Hilary McPhee, a novice editor. Soon authors like Tim Winton, Dorothy Hewett and Helen Garner were knocking at their door. Then: beach shacks, the humble shelters for fishermen and the destitute which adorn Australia's coast.

Despite the promise that we were “all in it together”, the COVID-19 pandemic led to a flight from sociability. While that escape may have been a relief for some, has it intensified a culture of excessive individualism, narcissism, and disconnection from one another? Julia Baird, Geraldine Brooks and Rachel Kushner join David Marr in front of a live audience at Adelaide Writers' Week.

Alan Rusbridger, the former editor in chief of The Guardian UK on Trump's push to silence dissenting voices in the media; and writer Robert Dessaix has a new memoir, Chameleon, in which he reflects on his many identities and his changing understandings of life. Originally broadcast on March 6, 2025

One of US President Donald Trump's first executive orders was to declare there are only two genders and to ban transgender women from participating in female sports. Trans poet and comedian Alok Vaid-Menon says people need to not only have compassion for transgender people, but for the people who are trying to deny their existence. And they're getting their message out through humour. Alok's show Biology is on Youtube.GUEST: Alok Vaid-Menon - comedian, poet and performance artist PRODUCER: Catherine Zengerer*This show originally aired on 27 February 2025

A new history of the union movement in Australia looks at those often left out of the picture: migrants, women, Indigenous Australians and LGBTQIA+ people. Plus, Cambridge scholar Luke Kemp and his historical autopsy of why societies collapse.

Journalist Omar El Akkad examines what he sees as the moral contradictions of the West in the face of the Gaza war. And historian Margaret Peacock traces the history of radio propaganda in the Middle East from 1940-1960.

Political reporter Tom McIlroy tells the story of Jackson Pollock's Blue Poles - the vast paint-splattered canvas, controversially acquired by the Whitlam government for Australia's new National Gallery in 1975. Plus, historian Sarah Gold McBride on 19th Century America's fixation on head and facial hair - believed to connote class and character.

David Marr is joined by Laura Tingle, Hannah Ferguson and Craig Reucassel to review the monumental year of 2025 - including its weirdest moments - and ask where Australia finds itself as another year looms. Guests:Laura Tingle, Global Affairs Editor, ABC (formerly Political Editor, 7.30)Hannah Ferguson, founder of Cheek Media, co host of Big Small TalkCraig Reucassel, presenter of ABC Radio Sydney 702 BreakfastProducer: Catherine Zengerer

Renowned human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson KC says the killing of two people who survived a US strike on a speed boat off the coast of Venezuela in September is a war crime. Plus, how Indigenous knowledge was used to develop a seasickness pill for the Allied D-Day invasion.

Late Night Live regulars Bruce Shapiro (USA) and Ian Dunt (UK) reflect on a turbulent, torrid and at times bizarre year in politics on both sides of the Atlantic: from Trump's America to Keir Starmer's Britain.

Anna Henderson looks at the government's control of defence budgets and the blossoming relationship between Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce. In India the Maoist guerillas have surrendered after a fifty-year insurgency and it's a windfall for the Modi government in more ways than one. Plus Australia's public swimming pools are being neglected as Council budgets tighten and fewer people learn to swim.

Author and journalist Gideon Haigh uncovers the intriguing tale of Australian man William Richard Wallace - the oldest prisoner in recorded history. Wallace was a convicted murderer and spent most of his life in the J Ward facility for the criminally insane in Ararat, Victoria. He died behind bars at 106, in 1989. And the story of the extraordinary Birrundudu drawings - a collection of some 800 crayon drawings on brown paper, created by 16 Aboriginal stockmen in the remote Northern Territory in 1945, during a three-month encounter with two German anthropologists. .

The veteran Canberra journalist Niki Savva dissects the monumental result of the 2025 federal election. Where has it left both the Coalition in opposition, and the Labor party in government? And what does the result says about the political attitudes of modern Australia?Guest: Niki Savva, author of Earthquake: the election that shook Australia, published by Scribe

Nauru briefly had one of the highest per-capita incomes on earth, thanks to phosphate mining - so where did all the money go? Transgender troops kicked out of the US army by Donald Trump take their fight to court. Plus, how ancient cultures made - and talked about - prosthetic limbs.

Pauline Hanson's burka stunt stymies the Senate while the Labor government is deep in negotiations with the Greens and the Coalition to get changes to environment laws through before the end of the year. Plus how Benjamin Netanyahu has survived politically in what Aluf Benn, editor in chief of Haaretz, argues is “perhaps the greatest break with the status quo of Israeli history.”

The acclaimed writer Simon Winchester turns his eye to the wind - the invisible force with the power to sustain, relieve, inspire, irritate and destroy us. From antiquity to today, we fear and revere the 'breath of the gods'. Plus, the bold Australian publication Quarterly Essay reaches its 100th edition.