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Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast

Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast

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Ep 1651Is AI-generated meta description production at scale a trend or trash?

Google rewrites 70% of meta descriptions anyway, making AI-generated production at scale largely irrelevant. Tom Mansell from Croud, who manages enterprise SEO strategies across multiple markets, argues that meta descriptions are becoming obsolete as zero-click search reduces their primary value proposition. The discussion explores the declining importance of meta descriptions versus title tags for AI automation, the risk assessment framework for implementing GenAI at scale, and predictions for meta descriptions following the same trajectory as meta keywords within three years.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 24, 20253 min

Ep 1650Automated SEO reporting tools will replace human analysis within the next three years?

73% of SEO professionals believe automation will transform reporting within three years. Tom Mansell, SEO strategist at Croud, argues that while automated tools excel at data collection and pattern recognition, human analysis remains irreplaceable for strategic interpretation. The discussion explores the critical distinction between automated data processing and contextual business analysis, plus frameworks for integrating AI-powered reporting tools while preserving human strategic oversight and narrative development.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 23, 20253 min

Ep 1649Automating SEO with Experimental Strategies That Drive Growth

More than 60% of SEO teams now integrate automation tools into workflows. Tom Mansell, VP of Organic Performance at Croud, shares how enterprise teams can leverage AI and automation to scale research, auditing, and strategic planning while maintaining quality control. The discussion covers three core automation frameworks: research-driven topic clustering and competitive analysis, systematic SEO auditing with repeatable guidelines, and strategic brand perception analysis using large language models to extract actionable insights from third-party data sources.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 22, 202530 min

Ep 1648Are content clusters built around entity relationships rather than keywords?

Enterprise brands face fragmented search behavior across multiple AI-powered platforms. Daniel Horowitz, SEO strategist at Informatica, explains how brands must establish topical authority across Google AI mode, ChatGPT search, and social discovery platforms to capture modern search intent. The discussion covers strategic positioning for synthetic queries, optimizing for AI overview inclusion, and building semantic relationships through advanced internal linking structures that support entity-based content clusters rather than traditional keyword groupings.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 20, 20253 min

Ep 1647The current state of topical authority in a world of AI-generated content

AI-generated content has fundamentally shifted how brands must establish topical authority across multiple search platforms. Daniel Horowitz, SEO strategist at Informatica, explains how enterprise brands are adapting their content strategies to maintain visibility as search behavior evolves beyond traditional Google queries. The discussion covers strategic approaches for building semantic relationships through advanced internal linking architectures and developing content distribution frameworks that address synthetic queries across emerging AI search platforms. Horowitz outlines practical methods for creating topical authority signals that perform effectively in both traditional web results and AI-powered search experiences.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 19, 20254 min

Ep 1646The evolution of engagement metrics over the next 18 months

Topical authority requires omnipresence across AI-powered search platforms. Daniel Horowitz, SEO leader at Informatica, explains how brands must establish authority across Google's AI mode, ChatGPT search, Perplexity, and social platforms as user behavior shifts from exploration to informed querying. The discussion covers semantic relationship optimization through strategic internal linking and the experimental approaches needed to crack emerging AI search ranking factors.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 18, 20253 min

Ep 1645Invest SEO resources building comprehensive content vs acquiring high-quality backlinks

Enterprise brands face a critical resource allocation decision between content development and link acquisition strategies. Daniel Horowitz, SEO leader at Informatica, shares insights from managing search strategy at a global data management company serving Fortune 500 clients. The discussion covers topical authority requirements across emerging search platforms including AI mode, synthetic queries, and alternative search engines beyond traditional Google results. Horowitz outlines strategic frameworks for omnipresence marketing and adapting content distribution to evolving user search behaviors in an AI-driven landscape.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 17, 20253 min

Ep 1644Will internal linking continue to be a core pillar in building topical authority?

Topical authority requires omnipresence across evolving search platforms beyond traditional Google dominance. Daniel Horowitz, SEO strategist at Informatica, demonstrates how enterprise brands must adapt to synthetic queries, AI mode, and multi-platform discovery behaviors where users arrive pre-informed rather than exploratory. The discussion covers semantic relationship optimization through strategic internal linking frameworks, ranking factor adaptation strategies for AI-powered search environments, and scalable approaches for meeting changing user demand across ChatGPT search, Perplexity, and social discovery platforms.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 16, 20253 min

Ep 1643Mastering AI Search with Topical Authority and Links

AI-generated content is flooding search results, making topical authority more critical than ever. Daniel Horowitz, SEO strategist at Informatica, shares how enterprise brands can maintain competitive advantage as search behavior shifts across multiple platforms including Google's AI mode, Perplexity, and social search channels. The discussion covers strategic approaches for establishing semantic relationships through advanced internal linking architectures and building cross-platform authority signals that perform in both traditional and AI-powered search environments.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 15, 202529 min

Ep 1642Key skill sets and roles to build your SEO team from the ground up

Enterprise SEO teams struggle with proper crawler management protocols. Duane Forrester, former Bing executive and founder of UnboundAnswers.com, clarifies critical misconceptions about bot control mechanisms that impact AI training data access. The discussion covers why LLM.txt files are ineffective compared to established robots.txt protocols, proper syntax implementation for crawler directives, and strategic considerations for allowing AI system access to enterprise content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 13, 202511 min

Ep 1641LLM.txt files — trend or trash?

Google's AI overviews now appear in over 50% of search results. Duane Forrester, founder and CEO of UnboundAnswers.com and former Microsoft search engine insider, brings two decades of industry perspective to navigating this transformation. The discussion covers essential skill development for AI-era SEO including structured data mastery for LLM consumption, chunking content strategies that balance machine readability with human engagement, and critical evaluation frameworks for emerging AI SEO tools that prioritize trustworthiness over feature quantity.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 12, 20256 min

Ep 1640Technical SEO infrastructure vs human-crafted content quality with limited resources

Enterprise SEO teams waste resources on ineffective LLM.txt files instead of proven protocols. Duane Forrester, former Bing search engineer and founder of UnboundAnswers.com, explains why major crawlers including AI systems still follow established robots.txt standards. The discussion covers proper robots.txt syntax implementation, the default crawl behavior that eliminates need for "do crawl" directives, and strategic resource allocation between technical infrastructure and content quality initiatives.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 11, 20256 min

Ep 1639How will machine trust signals evolve for content creators next year?

LLM.txt files offer no actual SEO value for content creators. Duane Forrester, former Bing executive and founder of UnboundAnswers.com, explains why these files are "total trash" since all AI crawlers already follow standard robots.txt protocols. He details how Creative Commons bot handles most AI training data collection, making additional file formats unnecessary, and provides guidance on proper robots.txt syntax to avoid blocking beneficial AI crawlers from accessing content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 10, 20256 min

Ep 1638Does retrieval-based search make traditional keyword research obsolete?

Retrieval-based search is transforming how SEO professionals approach keyword strategy. Duane Forrester, former Bing Senior Product Manager and founder of UnboundAnswers.com, argues that traditional keyword research must evolve beyond single-term optimization to remain effective in AI-driven search environments. The discussion covers query fan-out methodology for topic expansion, conversation-based keyword research techniques that mirror natural language patterns, and strategic frameworks for adapting keyword research processes to accommodate LLM search behaviors and retrieval-based ranking systems.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 9, 20255 min

Ep 1637Machine trust and retrieval-based search transformation

Google's AI overviews now appear in over 50% of search results. Duane Forrester, founder and CEO of UnboundAnswers.com and former Microsoft search engine insider, shares how his unique perspective from inside search engines informs adaptation strategies for the current AI transformation. The discussion covers machine trust fundamentals through structured data implementation, content chunking strategies for LLM consumption, and the critical shift from traditional keyword targeting to goal-oriented content creation that serves both human readers and AI systems.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 8, 202557 min

Ep 1636Game plan for convincing technical leadership to invest more in customer data integrations

Customer data integration challenges cost enterprises millions in missed revenue opportunities annually. Eddie Patzsch, marketing strategist at Optimove, shares proven frameworks for securing technical leadership buy-in for customer data infrastructure investments. The discussion covers quantifying business impact through cost-of-inaction modeling, positioning data integration as an efficiency multiplier that reduces ad hoc technical requests, and leveraging AI readiness initiatives to align marketing data needs with existing technical priorities.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 6, 20254 min

Ep 1635One word that describes the relationship between customer data and marketing campaign success

Customer data and marketing campaigns form an inseparable "power couple" driving modern growth strategies. Eddie Patzsch from Optimove reveals how leading brands are shifting budget allocation from traditional channel-based spending to customer data-driven investment strategies that build sustainable competitive advantages. The discussion covers zero-party data deployment frameworks, customer enrichment methodologies, and the operational infrastructure required to move beyond batch-and-blast approaches toward precision-targeted campaign execution.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 5, 20254 min

Ep 1634Invest in better data integration vs advanced content personalization

Marketing teams waste 73% of their budget on misdirected campaigns. Eddie Patzsch, marketing strategist at Optimove, explains why data integration outperforms content personalization when resources are limited and shares insights from working with enterprise CMOs who prioritize technical foundations over creative campaigns. The discussion covers frameworks for shifting from perception-based to data-driven marketing decisions and strategies for building technical marketing leadership that drives measurable ROI through accurate audience targeting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 4, 20253 min

Ep 1633One major shift in data-driven marketing campaigns in five years

Product and marketing teams will merge performance ownership within five years. Eddie Patzsch from Optimove predicts this transformation as AI reduces organizational silos and product-led growth demands tighter integration between customer acquisition and product experience. The discussion covers how zero-party data collection requires cross-functional collaboration between marketing and product teams for effective implementation. Patzsch outlines the strategic shift from historically strained product-marketing relationships toward unified performance accountability in enterprise B2B organizations.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 3, 20253 min

Ep 1632Will first-party customer data become the most valuable marketing asset by 2025?

Zero-party customer data collection remains critically underutilized across enterprise marketing teams. Eddie Patzsch, marketing strategist at Optimove, demonstrates how gamification platforms can capture customer preferences and behavioral insights that drive measurable engagement improvements. The discussion covers implementing self-serve gamification tools for email and website zero-party data collection, executive buy-in strategies for data collection initiatives, and scaling beyond traditional first-party data limitations through intentional customer preference gathering frameworks.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 2, 20254 min

Ep 1631Building marketing campaigns from customer relationship data

93% of marketers believe first-party data is more critical than ever for organizations. Eddie Patzsch, VP of Revenue at Optimove, has transformed relationship data into revenue-driving campaigns for enterprise brands like Sephora and FanDuel, delivering measurable incremental revenue through AI-powered personalization at scale. The discussion covers zero-party data collection through gamification strategies, deterministic versus probabilistic customer matching frameworks, and AI-powered self-optimizing journey orchestration that prioritizes communications across millions of customer touchpoints.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sep 1, 202531 min

Ep 1630Game plan for balancing AEO, SEO, and GEO in your 2026 strategy

84% of search queries now trigger AI-powered results, fundamentally reshaping optimization strategies. Aimee Jurenka from seo SUSTAINABLE shares her proven framework for managing enterprise clients transitioning from traditional SEO to multi-channel search optimization. She outlines her systematic approach for categorizing traditional SEO tactics into "continue," "modify," and "replace" buckets while introducing AEO-specific strategies. Jurenka details her client communication template that maps on-page, off-page, technical SEO, and local SEO changes alongside new AI optimization requirements, emphasizing the shift from generalized to highly customized search strategies for each client vertical.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 30, 20253 min

Ep 1629One word that describes the current state of SEO integration

SEO professionals face unprecedented change as AI transforms search discovery. Aimee Jurenka from SEO Sustainable brings enterprise-level expertise in navigating algorithmic shifts while maintaining sustainable growth strategies. The discussion covers embracing industry transformation as competitive advantage and leveraging SEO's foundational adaptability principles to thrive during periods of rapid technological evolution.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 29, 20252 min

Ep 1628Focusing on optimizing for voice search vs visual search if you have limited resources

Voice search adoption accelerates among blue-collar demographics who prefer speaking over typing. Aimee Jurenka from seo SUSTAINABLE shares insights on resource allocation between voice and visual search optimization based on user behavior patterns across different demographic segments. The discussion covers conversational query optimization strategies and the strategic implications of Google's marketing emphasis on voice interactions over visual search features.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 28, 20252 min

Ep 1627The evolving relationship between AEO and traditional SEO

AI search adoption is accelerating faster than traditional SEO adaptation rates. Aimee Jurenka from SEO Sustainable has been tracking AI search evolution since discovering Bing Copilot and monitoring user behavior shifts across general populations. The discussion covers the "adapt or die" framework for traditional SEOs transitioning from 10 blue links optimization, strategic positioning for the inevitable traffic migration to AI-powered search, and implementation approaches for professionals navigating the convergence of AEO and traditional SEO methodologies.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 27, 20252 min

Ep 1626AI Mode will eventually replace traditional search as the primary search experience?

Google's AI mode is positioned to replace traditional search entirely. Aimee Jurenka from SEO Sustainable brings enterprise SEO expertise and direct insights into Google's strategic direction based on official company statements and market positioning. The discussion covers Google's integration timeline for AI mode into core search functionality and the commercial investment signals indicating inevitable market dominance over traditional search interfaces.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 26, 20252 min

Ep 1625The AEO, SEO & GEO Debate

Zero-click searches now dominate 65% of Google queries globally. Aimee Jurenka, SEO strategist at SEO Sustainable, has developed specialized tracking systems across multiple LLMs that help enterprise clients allocate budgets based on conversion data from ChatGPT, Gemini, and traditional search channels. The discussion covers chunkability optimization frameworks for AI-readable content, semantic triplet implementation strategies for brand visibility in generative outputs, and data-driven resource allocation models that balance traditional SEO with answer engine optimization investments.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 25, 202532 min

Ep 1624Integration of SEO and CRO departments into a single "search experience" team

In a world of AI search experiences, will impressions rise while clicks remain flat? Shaun Hinklein from Apollo.io challenges this assumption, arguing that Google's constant SERP experimentation suggests we'll see significant changes ahead. He predicts publishers will remain essential to search ecosystems, with Google likely developing new features that better integrate site content into AI overviews and potentially creating more click opportunities through innovative SERP elements.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 23, 20253 min

Ep 1623Game plan for balancing automated content creation with maintaining E-E-A-T signals

Balancing AI content with E-E-A-T signals requires strategic planning. Shaun Hinklein from Apollo.io shares his hybrid approach that prioritizes expertise and trustworthiness above automation efficiency. His methodology includes mandatory subject matter expert reviews before publication, transparent author attribution to maintain accountability, and a focus on content quality that professionals would proudly attach their names to.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 22, 20253 min

Ep 1622Invest more resources in optimizing for traditional search or non search channels to show up in AI?

In the AI era, SEOs face a critical resource allocation question. Shaun Hinklein of Apollo.io makes a compelling case for prioritizing traditional search optimization over non-search channels. He explains how LLMs fundamentally rely on high-quality search results as their "ingredients," emphasizing that visibility without substance creates poor AI-generated content.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 21, 20252 min

Ep 1621The evolving relationship between SEO and B2B

In this episode, Shaun Hinklein of Apollo.io examines the evolving relationship between SEO and B2B marketing. He predicts that as AI adoption reaches near-universal levels in the B2B space, the focus will shift from whether content is AI-generated to how effectively AI is being leveraged to deliver value. Shaun emphasizes that successful B2B companies will differentiate themselves through innovative AI applications rather than simply using the technology, with value delivery becoming the primary metric for content effectiveness.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 20, 20252 min

Ep 1620AI-generated content will become indistinguishable from human content in search results?

Will AI content become indistinguishable from human content in search results? Shaun Hinklein from Apollo.io delivers a definitive "sell" on this controversial prediction. He argues that such indistinguishability would mean the death of journalism, highlighting the irreplaceable value of human creativity and authentic reporting in content creation.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 19, 20252 min

Ep 1619The fusion of SEO & CRO with AI/LLMs

SEO and CRO strategies require AI integration for maximum impact. Shaun Hinklein, Head of SEO at Apollo.io, shares how data-driven content can create superior user experiences while balancing automation with human authenticity. He demonstrates practical methods for analyzing competitive SERPs with AI tools, explains how impression metrics now outweigh traffic volume, and reveals techniques for leveraging proprietary data to deliver unique value that generic AI content cannot match.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 18, 202538 min

Ep 1618Your publisher's plan for visibility with direct AI answers?

Kevin Indig is an independent advisor to some of the fastest-growing companies in the world, helping them accelerate growth through SEO and product strategy. His client portfolio spans top marketplaces like Reddit, Snap, and Upwork; leading SaaS platforms such as Ramp and Dropbox; and e-commerce brands including Hims and Fast Growing Trees. He also advises innovative companies on product strategy, including AirOps and Newfold.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 16, 20252 min

Ep 1617Describe current SEO in the age of LLMs

SEO professionals are feeling stuck in the age of LLMs. Kevin Indig, growth advisor and author of the Growth Memo newsletter, examines the industry's paralysis between treating AI search as repackaged SEO tactics or something entirely new. He challenges practitioners to move beyond terminology debates and adapt to evolving search landscapes, arguing that experience in traditional SEO can actually make adaptation more difficult.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 15, 20252 min

Ep 1616Measuring for AI Overviews/Mode vs maintaining traditional organic rankings

SEO metrics face a critical shift with AI search features. Kevin Indig, growth advisor and former Shopify SEO Director, explains why measuring AI overviews and AI mode performance now outweighs traditional rankings. He recommends tracking position one visibility as a key signal for AI overview inclusion, while using keyword rankings as directional indicators rather than primary KPIs.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 14, 20252 min

Ep 1615How will SEO's relationship with content evolve in 18 months?

How will SEO's relationship with content evolve in the near future? Kevin Indig, growth advisor and former SEO leader at multiple companies, examines the shifting content landscape. He discusses the necessity of incorporating AI into content creation workflows while maintaining human oversight, and explores how SEOs must balance declining per-article traffic value against increased content production capabilities.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 13, 20253 min

Ep 1614Will AI Overviews replace featured snippets by late 2025?

AI Overviews are poised to replace featured snippets. Kevin Indig, growth advisor and former Director of SEO at Shopify, weighs in on this significant search evolution expected by late 2025. He explains why AI Overviews make more logical sense for users and search engines, predicting the eventual phasing out of traditional featured snippets as AI-generated content summaries become the new standard.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 12, 20251 min

Ep 1613SEO, Google AIOs & LLMs

Google's AI mode is transforming search visibility overnight. Kevin Indig, independent advisor, shares strategic approaches for adapting to AI-generated search results. He explains how to measure influence rather than rankings, conduct direct user research instead of relying on keyword tools, and optimize for multimodal experiences across platforms like YouTube and Reddit to maintain visibility in AI overviews.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 11, 202541 min

Ep 1612Game plan for balancing journalistic quality with search performance

Balancing journalistic quality with search performance is a critical SEO challenge. Dina Rickman from GoFundMe shares her expertise on creating content that satisfies both editorial standards and search algorithms. She recommends hiring former journalists to create high-quality content that naturally performs well in search, emphasizing that exceptional content published in traditional media will also succeed in SEO. Rickman argues that today's best SEO content often exceeds traditional journalism standards, creating lasting value rather than short-term ranking gains.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 9, 20253 min

Ep 1611Optimizing for search visibility vs reader engagement

Search visibility versus reader engagement presents a false dichotomy. Dina Rickman, from GoFundMe, explains why reader engagement ultimately drives sustainable search visibility in the long term. She explores why brands should prioritize answering user questions effectively rather than simply appearing everywhere, and demonstrates how negative brand associations from poor content can undermine visibility gains.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 8, 20252 min

Ep 1610One word that describes the relationship between journalistic integrity and SEO success today

Journalistic integrity and SEO success share a symbiotic relationship. Dina Rickman from GoFundMe explains how quality content must deliver on the promise of its headline and target keywords to truly rank well. She emphasizes that effective SEO content requires honesty, specificity for the intended audience, and the ability to fulfill user expectations—principles that mirror fundamental journalistic standards.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 7, 20252 min

Ep 1609Is using clickbait ever going to die off?

Is clickbait truly harmful or just misunderstood? Dina Rickman from GoFundMe reframes the clickbait debate by distinguishing between compelling headlines and content that fails to deliver on its promise. She argues that creating interest-driving headlines is fundamental to publishing success, while emphasizing that the real problem occurs when content doesn't fulfill what the headline promised.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 6, 20253 min

Ep 1608How many journalism principles that apply to SEO can you name in 30 seconds?

In this lightning round episode, Dina Rickman of GoFundMe demonstrates how journalism principles directly apply to SEO strategy. She highlights the critical "who, what, where, why, when, how" framework as fundamental to both disciplines, emphasizing that users need immediate context regardless of their entry point. Rickman explains that effective SEO content must quickly establish relevance, deliver key information, and create engagement hooks to prevent single-page visits and bounces.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 5, 20252 min

Ep 1607Applying Journalistic Thinking & Principles to SEO

In today's content-saturated landscape, SEO needs journalistic principles. Dina Rickman, Senior Director at GoFundMe, shares how her background in journalism transformed her approach to search strategy. She explains how firsthand experience and original reporting create content that genuinely engages users, why traditional keyword-focused tactics are losing effectiveness, and how editorial intuition can be developed through data analysis and experimentation.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 4, 202527 min

Ep 1606Seeing a drastic decrease in clicks but not impressions?

Clicks dropping while impressions remain stable? SEO Director Donna Donahue from Antylia Scientific shares her current approach to this exact challenge. She emphasizes the importance of frequent site crawling, establishing benchmarks before making changes, and proper URL mapping during transitions. Donahue also recommends implementing monitoring systems to track the impact of pivots and analyzing competitor content that appears in AI-generated search results.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 2, 20253 min

Ep 1605How Google's AI-powered search results will evolve over the next 12 months

Google's AI search results threaten organic traffic. Donna Donahue, SEO leader at Antylia Scientific, forecasts the evolution of zero-click environments over the next year. She emphasizes the critical importance of structured data accuracy despite Google's claims it's not a ranking signal, and explains how brands can leverage AI overviews for increased brand recognition while developing strategies to counter declining click-through rates.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Aug 1, 20253 min

Ep 1604One word that describes the current state of E-E-A-T in AI Search

E-E-A-T signals in AI search have become increasingly messy and unclear. Donna Donahue from Antylia Scientific shares how her quasi-YMYL company navigates Google's shifting expertise requirements. She explains why scientific oversight of all content is essential for maintaining authority in pharmaceutical and lab research industries, while noting the pendulum swing from E-E-A-T obsession toward a renewed focus on relevancy and topic uniqueness.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jul 31, 20253 min

Ep 1603Is optimizing content specifically for AIO a trend or trash?

AI overviews are reshaping SEO strategy. Donna Donahue from Antylia Scientific examines the trend of optimizing content specifically for AI-generated search results. She discusses how snippets have become the new "zero-click playground," the recent addition of links within AI overviews, and strategies for creating content that both satisfies information needs while encouraging click-throughs to websites.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jul 30, 20254 min

Ep 1602Will page speed be less important in AI Search?

Will page speed matter in AI search? Donna Donahue from Antylia Scientific examines the evolving relationship between page speed and AI-driven search results. She argues that while technical performance remains important for crawlers, content quality will continue to be the dominant ranking factor. Donahue also highlights the irony that Google's own tracking tools often contribute to page speed issues while simultaneously penalizing sites for slow performance.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jul 29, 20255 min