VinePair Podcast

Prompted by a recent article on VinePair, Adam, Joanna, and Zach discuss the prevalence of bulk wine in the wine industry: what is it, why does it get such a bad rap, and how it can actually be very beneficial in certain cases to growers, producers, and consumers alike. Plus, a discussion about why drinkers are so excited about complicated cocktails as they venture back out into the world. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This episode was sponsored by: Rémy Martin's Bartender Talent AcademyJoanna is drinking: Wheatley Vodka MartiniZach is drinking: Paper PlaneAdam is drinking: Tommy's Margarita Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach joins Westland Distillery co-founder Matt Hofmann at his Seattle distillery to discuss Hofmann's intense focus on using Pacific Northwest ingredients throughout their American Single Malt Whiskey range, their experimentations with heritage strains of barley, and much more. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with St. Agrestis co-owner Louis Catizone about the origins of the Brooklyn-based line of bitter spirits, how they've embraced bottled and boxed cocktails, and more. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam, Joanna, and Zach discuss the rise of #realwine, how it became popular on Instagram, and why it's both impossible to define but also a powerful tool for making people feel unwelcome within the world of wine. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This episode was sponsored by: Rémy Martin and the Bartender Talent AcademyJoanna is drinking:Zach is drinking:Adam is drinking: Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Cassandra Felix, Brand Director at Brendel Wines, about their efforts to highlight less familiar but historically important varieties and blends in Napa Valley, their new wine bar, and her journey from restaurant wine director to working for a winery. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Denetrias Charlemagne and Alex Doman, co-founders of AVEC Drinks, about their recently-released line of health-focused cocktail mixers about their flavor and ingredient choices, branding, and more. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach discuss the term "modern classic" when it comes to cocktails: what criteria nominees even need to meet, why they're harder to define than true classics, and the five drinks that actually merit the term. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or your favorite podcast platform, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Today's episode is sponsored by: Rémy Martin's Bartender Talent AcademyZach is drinking: Le Vieux Pin SyrahAdam is drinking: Frozen Mojito at The Commodore Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Ian Burrell, self-styled global rum ambassador and co-founder of Equiano Rum about the history and diversity within the rum category, as well as why Equiano is so interested in blending rums from the Caribbean and Africa. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or the podcast platform of your choosing, and send any questions, critiques, suggestions, or requests to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam, Joanna, and Zach discuss which drinks will dominate the landscape this coming summer, including the hard seltzer smoothie, the Cosmo comeback, richer white wines, and a whole lot more. Plus, why the pizza luge won't catch on. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Adam is drinking: Amezoti Getariako Txakolina RoseJoanna is drinking: Cynar SpritzZach is drinking: Brick House Chardonnay Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Ron Cooper, founder of Del Maguey Mezcal, about his early experiences with the agave spirit, how he first started exploring producers and villages in Oaxaca, and how he introduced unfamiliar or skeptical bartenders and owners in the United States to mezcal. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam is joined by Joy Bauer, the health and nutrition expert for NBC's Today Show, to discuss how alcohol can be a part of a healthy lifestyle, and why so many drinkers are so conscious of what's in their drink. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are joined by their new co-host, VinePair's executive editor Joanna Sciarrino, to discuss whether to-go cocktails will remain both legal and popular as vaccines are widely available and many areas have already lifted or will be lifting restrictions on indoor drinking and dining: will the joy of having a drink in the park or on the street be viable without the limitations of the pandemic? Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or whatever podcast platform you prefer, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Joanna is drinking: Transmitter Brewing's Plum GoseZach is drinking: Westland Distillery's Colere American Single Malt WhiskeyAdam is drinking: a Perfect Martini at Gage & Tollner Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam is joined by Justin Pass, creator of Sera Luce, a Venetian-style canned spritz, about entering that marketing, taking on the behemoth that is Aperol, and why spritz culture is so popular. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are joined for this bonus episode of the VinePair podcast by winemaker Maurizio Maurizi of Gruppo Mezzacorona in Italy's Trentino region to talk about all about Pinot Grigio: why Trentino is such a phenomenal place for the variety, some serving and pairing suggestions, and lots more. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This bonus episode was sponsored by Gruppo Mezzacorona Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Prompted by a listener question, Adam and Zach discuss whether restaurants and bars could benefit from applying a dynamic pricing model to their menus: instead of all things being the same price no matter when you dine, those who chose to eat and drink during "off hours" might be able to save some money. Is this a viable path forward for the restaurant industry? Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or whatever podcast platform you prefer, and send any questions, comments, critiques, and suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: Kir RoyaleAdam is drinking: Faccia Brutto Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Bricia Lopez, co-owner of Guelaguetza in Los Angeles, about her lifelong relationship with mezcal and her efforts to increase the spirit's prominence and prestige in the United States. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or whatever podcast app you use, and send any suggestions or requests for future Next Round conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this bonus episode of the VinePair podcast, Adam and Zach are joined by winemakers Michel Gassier (Domaine Gassier) and Franck-Lin Dalle (Chateau de Campuget) to discuss Costières de Nîmes, an ancient wine-producing appellation within the Rhône Valley which highlights its proximity to the Mediterranean and similar soil structure to Châteauneuf-du-Pape. Topics include the history of the region, local cuisine, and what wine drinkers can expect from a bottle of Costières de Nîmes.This episode is sponsored by: Costières de Nîmes Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the wake of the latest example of counterfeit booze being passed off as authentic, Adam and Zach discuss why it is that fraud has become so rampant in the world of fine wine and spirits, who counterfeiting actually harms, and why the secondary market is such a dangerous place to shop. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: W.L. Weller Special Reserve BourbonAdam is drinking: Bianco Negroni...kinda. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with acclaimed actress Sarah Jessica Parker about her wine venture, Invivo x SJP, which features a Sauvignon Blanc and a Rosé from New Zealand, as well as how she got interested in wine in the first place. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any suggestions or requests for future Next Round conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this bonus episode of the VinePair podcast, Adam and Zach are joined by Master Sommelier Tim Geiser and sommelier Caleb Ganzer of Compagnie de Vins Surnaturel in New York City to discuss the remarkable wines of Roussillon, located in southwestern France near the Spanish border. The conversation touches on the long history of wine production in the region, the exceptional microclimate that allows for a great deal of organic viticulture, and the famous sweet fortified wines known as vin doux naturel. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This episode is sponsored by: Wines of Roussillon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are joined by New York Times wine critic Eric Asimov to discuss the many changes that Covid-19 has brought to the wine industry: whether online retail will continue to supplant brick-and-mortar, whether sommeliers and wine professionals will still have jobs in restaurants, and much more. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected] is drinking: Leah Jorgensen Rosé of Cabernet FrancAdam is drinking: Villa Calicantus Bardolino Classico Chiaretto Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Jennifer and Wendy Yuengling, sixth generation leaders at America's oldest brewery, Yuengling. They discuss the brewery's history, the incredible popularity of their amber lager, recent expansion plans, and some of their newest offerings, including a collaboration with Hershey and a low-cal beer. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Next Round conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and VinePair senior editor Cat Wolinski speak with Adam Zuniga, Advanced Cicerone and curator of the Knotfest Beer Pit, about how the subscription beer club is marrying heavy metal and craft beer from breweries around the US. Please send suggestions or requests for future Next Round episodes to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As a part of VinePair's Sustainability Week programming, Adam and Zach recorded a live podcast with winemakers Viviana Navarrete of VSPT Wine Group and Sofia Araya of Veramonte to discuss each of their efforts to expand the definition of sustainability, particularly through social engagement, and why it is that Chile's wine industry has been at the forefront of sustainability for years. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This episode is sponsored by: Wines of Chile Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with winemaker Jessica Tomei of Cupcake Vineyards about their newest product, Cupcake Lighthearted, a line of low-cal wines, as well as the challenges of running wine production on multiple continents during a pandemic. Please send requests or suggestions for future Next Round conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Carrie Shafir, general manager at Long Island's Blue Point Brewing Company, about the brewery's long history, recent additions to its product line, and how reaching a wide range of different drinkers is particularly crucial in 2021. Please send any requests or suggestions for future Next Round episodes to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

To kick off VinePair's Sustainability Week, Adam and Zach discuss why the drinks industry, media, and consumers alike need to expand their definition of sustainability to go beyond agricultural practices to incorporate labor practices, social justice, climate impact, and much more. Please join us for a live podcast recording on Wednesday, April 21st at 6:30 pm Eastern as we discuss these issues and other with two remarkable female winemakers in Chile, Sofia Araya of Veramonte and Viviana Navarrete of Leyda. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: Underwhelming California ChardonnayAdam is drinking: Underwhelming New York Beer Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Firefly Distilling co-founders Jim Irvin and Scott Newitt to get the inside story on how the two created their immensely popular Sweet Tea Vodka, what the first few years of the distillery were like, and how the company has expanded since the late 2000s. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Aaron Thorp, co-founder of New York's Supergay Spirits, about transitioning from his role as a wine director at several acclaimed New York City restaurants to starting a spirits brand and what his experience has been like since launching at the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach discuss the fact that even as demand for restaurants and bars ramps up, operators face real challenges when it comes to staffing, as many seasoned restaurant veterans have moved on: away from the restaurant industry entirely, onto their own ventures, or out of big cities to places with lower costs. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: L'Ermitage du Pic Saint Loup "Cuvée Sainte Agnès" Languedoc RougeAdam is drinking: Spindrift Paloma Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Jeff Segal and Meri Lugo of Domestique Wine in Washington, D.C., about their efforts to connect with customers and create a more inclusive wine culture through their natural wine shop. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Miranda DIckson, Global Brand Director for Absolut Elyx, about the super-premium vodka market, how Absolut Elyx was born, why it appealed to bartenders and the on-premise trade, and what the last year has been like for a bar-focused brand. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach discuss the incredible disconnect between many wine professionals and the bulk of the wine-drinking public when it comes to red wine: how many somms and journalists love to emphasize lighter, higher-acid styles of red wine even while the public continually shows a strong preference for full-bodied blends and varietal wines. Plus, Zach shares some thoughts on the closing of his longtime restaurant home, Dahlia Lounge. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: 2012 Abeja Cabernet SauvignonAdam is drinking: Mayacamas kosher wine Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Brian Connors, Director of the Bacardi Center of Excellence at Florida International University about the school's latest venture, Bar Project 2021, which attempts to give FIU students the tools and training to explore the future of bars, restaurants, and the drinks industry more broadly. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with restaurateur Adam Dunn, co-owner of The Pheasant on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, about his decision to move away from Brooklyn, and the challenges and opportunities of moving to a smaller community. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are once again joined by Lift Collective co-founder Rania Zayyat to discuss the just-completed Lift Collective Virtual Conference, including how all of us can learn to not just listen, but take action to help marginalized peoples and build a more inclusive, stronger, and better hospitality industry. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Allison Wilson, Director of Vineyard Operations at Cliff Lede Vineyards in Napa Valley about the challenges of the 2020 vintage, what establishing a new vineyard is like, and how Napa and other regions are preparing for the future. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with second-generation winemaking sisters Hilary and Megan Cline about their collaborative venture, Gust Wines, which focuses exclusively on wines from California's Petaluma Gap AVA. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are joined by Chris Poldoian, certified sommelier and trade educator for the wines of Ribera del Duero and Rueda, to discuss the many great wines made from Tempranillo and Verdejo in the two neighboring regions, their extensive old vine heritage, and some dynamic and exciting pairings for each wine. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any comments, questions, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.This episode is sponsored by: Ribera y Rueda. If you purchase 2 or more bottles of Ribera y Rueda from online retailer Mr. D’s, you can get 15% off with the discount code RR2021. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Maximilian Riedel, 11th-generation CEO of Riedel Glass, about his family's long history in the glass trade, the complexities and challenges of making a fine wine glass, and how innovation happens within the company. Please send any requests or suggestions for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Check out a bonus episode of our newest podcast, End of Day Drinks. In this episode, we talk to iconic filmmaker Francis Ford Coppola, who’s known not only for his legendary films but for The Family Coppola wine. We’ll hear how he first fell in love with wine through his Italian heritage in New York, and how he used his earnings from The Godfather to buy his first winery. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with H. Joseph Ehrmann, Chief Mixologist for Fresh Victor, a San Francisco-based company specializing in fresh juices designed for at-home craft cocktail creation about the origins and growth of the brand. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach discuss the growing number of ready-to-drink/ready-to-serve cocktails coming from some of the biggest names in the spirits industry: Tanqueray Gin, Crown Royal Whiskey, and many more. Will these beverages crowd out the existing smaller players? Will drinkers show the same brand loyalty they have with these individual spirits? How will other brands try to capture a canned cocktail market that might offer many similar offerings? Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.Zach is drinking: Big Table Farm Pinot NoirAdam is drinking: Mayacamas Chardonnay Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam is joined by Bev founder Alix Peabody and E & J Gallo Winery CMO Stephanie Gallo to discuss their partnership on the canned wine brand and how Bev is looking to expand beyond DTC sales to wholesale markets. Please send suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Speed Rack co-founder Lynnette Marrero about the organization's many educational and informational opportunities during Women's History Month. Please send suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach are joined by Rania Zayyat, sommelier and co-founder of Lift Collective, to discuss the upcoming Lift Collective Virtual Conference, including a discussion about the expansion of the focus of the organization, highlights of panels and discussions, and more. Tickets are now on sale for the conference, held March 23rd and 24th. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam speaks with Brooks Reitz, founder of Jack Rudy Cocktail Co., about the surge in home bartending during the Covid-19 pandemic, the challenges of creating at-home cocktail products, and life as a restaurateur in 2021. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with Carlos de Jesus, director of marketing and communications for Amorim Cork, the world's largest cork manufacturer, about the technological evolution of cork production, what challenges still exist in preventing spoilage and cork taint, and why cork is such a sustainable, renewable resource. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Adam and Zach answer a question they've been asked a few times: with wine drinkers mostly relegated to drinking at home since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, how will they behave once they can safely go out to bars and restaurants again? Will they balk at restaurant list prices for wines they've been buying at retail? Will they crave discovering new wines, or want to stick to familiar classics? Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Zach speaks with sommeliers Allie Nault and Jarad Slipp about their new venture, Knead Wine in Middleburg, Virginia, including their creative approach to wine pricing, why pizza has been so popular during the Covid-19 pandemic, and why even in smaller communities there's a market for adventurous wines. Please send any suggestions or requests for future Conversations to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.