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What leads to radical transformation? Shifting your perspective from a victim mindset to a hero mindset. Don Miller returns to Typology to share the role the Enneagram played in his journey out of the victim hole to more empowered perspective. "It's a story of a person who identified as a victim transforming into a person who identifies much more of a person who's playing a more meaningful role on the planet, and also considers victim mentality to be the enemy of self-development, progress, and happiness," Don explains. Today, we explore the: Three subtypes of an Enneagram 4 and how they manifest in unique ways Importance of self-exploration and introspection for personal growth Role of readiness, desire and surrender for lasting change Join us for this great conversation about transformation and shifting perspectives on life. Find Don Miller on: YouTube: youtube.com/coachbuilder Instagram: @donaldmiller and @storybrand Website: coachbuilder.com -------------------------------------------- MORE EPISODES? Follow typologypodcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify or your favorite podcast platform to get new episodes each week. ENNEAGRAM RESOURCES: https://typologyinstitute.com ENNEAGRAM TEST: https://typologyinstitute.com/assessment

When we're born into this world, we're just soaking everything up, trying to figure ourselves out and learning about other people and our place in the world. "Those initial lessons become imprinted into our later childhood and adulthood as rules of thumb for how we should operate in the world," explains Dr. Judy Ho. The way we develop bonds, learn to attach (or not) to people in childhood impacts impacts every aspect of our lives: friendships, careers, goal-setting, and our sense of self. But what if you could learn to become securely attached, even as an adult? How can you reclaim your ability to feel safe, loved, and capable of thriving? In today's rich conversation with Dr. Judy Ho, we explore: The four attachment styles The relationship between attachment style and Enneagram type How to reparent your inner child and start the journey toward secure attachment ABOUT DR. JUDY HO Dr. Judy Ho, Ph. D., ABPP, ABPdN is a triple board certified and licensed Clinical and Forensic Neuropsychologist, a tenured Associate Professor at Pepperdine University, and author of Stop Self-Sabotage. An avid researcher and a two-time recipient of the National Institute of Mental Health Services Research Award, Dr. Judy maintains a private practice where she specializes in comprehensive neuropsychological assessments and expert witness work. You can learn more about Dr. Judy Ho and her work on her website or in her new book, The New Rules of Attachment, How to Heal Your Relationships, Reparent Your Inner Child and Secure Your Life Vision.

What does it mean to truly belong? Today's guests, Chris and Julie Bennett, authors of the book 'Fighting for Family: The Relentless Pursuit of Building Belonging, join me for a heartfelt discussion about what it means to build strong relationships and find a space where you belong. They share personal insights and experiences that highlight the importance of vulnerability, honesty, and bringing your whole self to the table in order to create a space where everyone feels accepted and valued. In this episode, we also explore: The importance of getting in touch with anger for the personal growth of Enneagram 9s Fighting for the things that truly matter Facing the good and bad truths about yourself as a pathway for healing Tune in as we reflect on the power of embracing vulnerability, honoring our differences, and extending forgiveness to cultivate communities of belonging. Connect with Chris and Julie: https://fightingforfamily.org https://facebook.com/chrisandjuliebennett https://instagram.com/chrisbennett143 https://instagram.com/juliebennett

New York Times bestselling author John Mark Comer returns to Typology to share what he's working on personally, his struggle with control and perfectionism, and the need for self-effort AND grace in spiritual formation. He reminds us that spiritual formation isn't just a religious thing, it's a human thing. We are all being formed by someone or something. So how do we ensure we reach our full potential and deepest connection? From his new book, Practicing the Way, John Mark explains the importance of crafting a rule of life to support spiritual growth and deep transformation. Join us as we discuss obstacles to growth and the path to renewal through the lens of an Enneagram One. ------------------------------------------------------------------- John Mark Comer is the New York Times bestselling author of multiple books including The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry (more than half a million sold) and Live No Lies. His new book is the New York Times and USA Today bestseller Practicing the Way: Be with Jesus. Become like him. Do as he did. He's a founding pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon, and a teacher and writer with Practicing the Way. After serving as the lead pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon, for nearly two decades, John Mark and his family now reside in Los Angeles, where he serves as a teacher in residence on discipleship and spiritual formation at Vintage Church LA. His podcasts, "John Mark Comer Teachings" & "Rule of Life," have been ranked on top religion and spirituality podcast charts in the US and UK.

This week we have a real treat for you as we invite renowned health and wellness expert, Dr. Josh Axe, to the table for a riveting conversation on the Enneagram 8 and mindset. We explore the balance of strength and empathy, delve into the complexities of shifting your mindset, and the impact of balancing virtues on the path to lasting transformation. Dr. Axe opens up about the life-altering wisdom he gained from his grandfather—where character trumps achievement—an ethos that values presence and compassion over material success. From the stories of legendary figures to the principles outlined in his new book, "Think This, Not That," Dr. Axe invites you to reshape your desires and refocus on what truly matters. Join us for an episode that promises to challenge and inspire your personal development. ----------- About Dr. Josh Axe Dr. Josh Axe, DC, DNM, CNS, is a certified doctor of natural medicine and clinical nutritionist with a passion to help people use food, lifestyle and mindset medicine to heal and prevent illness. Dr. Axe is a graduate of Johns Hopkins University earning his Masters of Science in Organizational Leadership. Josh is the cofounder and CVO of Ancient Nutrition and founder of DrAxe.com, one of the top natural health websites in the world today. His company ranked on the Inc. 500 fastest growing companies two years in a row. In 2008, he started a functional medicine center in Nashville, which grew to become one of the most renowned clinics in the world. He is the bestselling author of Eat Dirt, Keto Diet, and Ancient Remedies. His fast-growing show and podcast, The Dr. Josh Axe Show, covers the topics of health, mindset, personal growth and spiritual growth. Dr. Axe is an expert in topics including nutrition, natural medicine, mental health, self-development, and leadership. Josh is married to his wife, Chelsea, and they have two daughters. They live between Nashville, TN and Dorado, PR and enjoy cooking, staying active swimming and cycling, and prioritize time for their faith and family.

True transformation occurs when we reach a point of defeat and surrender to a higher power. When we open ourselves up in a posture of receptivity and allow forgiveness, mercy and power to enter our lives, true healing from the heart can begin. Today, pastor, leadership coach, and podcast host Christopher Cook returns to discuss the process of transformation through the lens of the Enneagram. We explore the limitations of willpower, self-help books, and life hacks on the spiritual journey and the intentional effort required to find wholeness from the inside out. Learn the power of securing your thoughts, examining motivating factors, exposing lies and focusing on the truth and how they lead to lasting change. Listen to Typology ----------------------------------------------------------------- About Chris Cook Christopher Cook is a pastor, leadership coach, and podcast host focused on transformation and wholeness, and the author of Healing What You Can't Erase: Transform Your Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual Health from the Inside Out. With an aptitude for strategy and execution, he is able to unearth clarity out of complexity, which drives his mission to help individuals and organizations thrive in their true identity. His weekly podcast, Win Today with Christopher Cook, equips wellness-minded listeners to move beyond the limitations of self-help and instead toward an integrated life of wholeness from the inside out. Christopher resides in suburban Detroit, Michigan. Connect with him online at wintoday.tv and on social media @WINTODAYChris.

Have you ever wondered how the Enneagram intersects with the entertainment industry? Do casting directors and writers use the Enneagram in developing your favorite show or movie? Whether it's Parks and Recreation, Modern Family or Les Misérables, sometimes you can see the archetypes play themselves out on screen. This week, we sit down with multi-award-winning producer, writer and director Gary Wheeler for an illuminating conversation about film and the Enneagram. As an Enneagram 9, Gary shares his experience with asserting himself on set, dealing with conflict, and writing scripts from the voice of each character. As Gary states, "My strengths as a writer tend to be in dialogue […] and here's why…because I'm a nine, I can see all perspectives. […] it's easy for me to hear their voices." With almost 30 years of experience in the film industry, Gary has made more than 40 motion picture and TV productions seen by millions of viewers on platforms including Netflix, Amazon Prime, Peacock, Redbox, Fox Nation, INSP and many more. His works include #1 box office hit War Room, Emmy-nominated The Heart of Christmas, 20th Century's The Trial, and the award-winning western Far Haven. His new television series Blue Ridge starring Johnathon Schaech, Sarah Lancaster and A Martinez released on April 7, 2024.

Get ready for a fun interview with HGTV's Fixer to Fabulous stars, Jenny and Dave Marrs! We started the show thinking Dave and Jenny were both Enthusiasts, but when Jenny radiates a different energy than Dave, the conversation takes a turn. We kick off with an exploration of Type 7 characteristics, including their enthusiasm, future orientation, and tendency to avoid pain and discomfort. Then, we get into a pseudo typing interview to figure out what personality traits resonate with Jenny, covering her energy level as compared to Daves and how she feels about conflict and decision-making. About Jenny and Dave Marrs: Jenny and Dave have been restoring and renovating historic homes since 2004. Now as stars of HGTV's "Fixer to Fabulous," they showcase their work in their beautiful hometown and surrounding area of Bentonville, Arkansas, to millions of viewers while staying true to their renovation philosophy: a home should reflect the personality of the ones who live there. Their spinoff series, "Fixer to Fabulous: Italiano," kicked off in March 2024 and Jenny released her book "House + Love = Home: Creating Warm, Intentional Spaces for a Beautiful Life" in November 2023. You can find Jenny and Dave on Instagram and Facebook, or visit their website.

Dr. Carol Tanksley joins Typology to discuss her journey of self-discovery and the powerful impact learning to see her emotions as knowledge has had on her life. As Dr. Tanksley explains, "When I finally started to understand that it was not knowledge that I needed to quote 'fix me,' then I started to make progress. […] Things started to change in my life. I started to come to terms with the emotional and feeling part of me, hence the wing four. I had all kinds of feelings. They were there all the time." Learning to befriend our feelings opens the door to wholeness and true connection. In this episode, you'll learn: How Dr. Tanksley discovered her Enneagram type A few practices to help fives connect with their feelings Importance of understanding emotions as information Dr. Carol Tanksley Resources www.DrCarolMinistries.com Instagram | X: | Facebook YouTube Podcast: Relationship Prescriptions with Dr. Carol Sexpectations: reframing your good and not-so-good stories about God, love, and relationships

In this week's episode, Molly Stillman, the author of the book "If I Don't Laugh, I'll Cry: How Death, Debt, and Comedy Led to a Life of Faith, Farming, and Forgetting What I Came into This Room For," opens up about her struggles with grief and learning to face hard truths and tough emotions head-on. We explore the complexities of being an Enneagram Two, the importance of genuine vulnerability, and learning to share her story as a powerful tool for healing, connecting with others, and sharing the human experience. Highlighting the importance of self-reflection and the power of storytelling, Molly's journey serves as an inspiration for others to embrace their own vulnerabilities and seek healing.

The statistics for loneliness are startling, not just for children but for the human population in general. According to recent research, 61% of Americans report often feeling lonely. The fact of the matter is that loneliness is a universally felt emotion that doesn't discriminate. It starts young…and it's growing. Today, we welcome esteemed bestselling author Max Lucado for a timely discussion about the epidemic of loneliness in today's connected age and the impact on human connection. We explore what was on Max's heart when he wrote his new children's book, "Just in Case You Ever Feel Alone," and delve into how different Enneagram types might experience and cope with loneliness, highlighting the importance of self-awareness, community, and seeking honest feedback as a tool for true closeness.

Today, we had the pleasure of exploring the intricacies of personality and attachment styles with our esteemed guest, Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley, a mastermind in counselor education and supervision, and the author behind the transformative works, "The Mr. Rogers Effect" and "The Four Relationship Styles." Dr. Kuhnley enlightens us on the four relationship styles – the firefighter, the investigator, the security guard, and the networker. Each style, rooted in attachment theory, offers a unique lens through which we can understand our behaviors in relationships, especially under stress. 🌟 Highlights of the episode: Dr. Kuhnley's personal Enneagram journey: Five or Nine? Insightful connections between Enneagram types and attachment styles. A sneak peek into Dr. Kuhnley's latest book and how understanding your relationship style can lead to more intimate connection. Whether you're a long-time Enneagram enthusiast or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with insights that will leave you pondering and wanting more. 🎧 Tune in now to join the conversation and discover more about yourself and the people around you. P.S. Embrace the human adventure with us. Subscribe, listen, and let the transformation begin!

This week we welcome Enneagram 3, Dr. Joel Muddamalle Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and Theologian in Residence with Haven Place Ministries. Author of the new book, The Hidden Peace: Finding True Security, Strength, and Confidence Through Humility, Dr. Muddamalle shares the route to inner peace – through humility. Tune in as we explore: The three Ps of humility How the Enneagram became a huge part of Dr. Muddamalle's journey into a place of humility, and The important role of self-awareness and humor in cultivating humility

This week we continue our conversation with best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You. In Part 2, we explore: what each Enneagram type looks for and needs in a friendship how to deal with conflict in relationships and friendships when it's time to end a friendship and how to do it well In an age where everything is about division, this conversation is a breath of fresh air about people coming together to forge meaningful friendships. P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to get weekly episodes in your feed.

Best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You, join us for an inspirational look into the hows and whys of doing life together in a culture that constantly tries to keep us separate. In Part 1 of this two-part episode, co-authors of the Wall Street Journal bestseller I'll Be There (But I'll Be Wearing Sweatpants), and Here For It (the GOOD, the BAD, and the QUESO), Amy and Jess share the impact of the Enneagram on friendships and learning to accept and love people not just as they are, but for who they could become. "The enneagram is such an important tool for friendship because I know, accepting the hard, moving through the hard, I feel like the Enneagram helps me understand my friends and where they're coming from on such a better level. To love people as they are. I think it's a really powerful tool for loving people as they are and for taking some misunderstanding out of the equation," explains Jess. Listen as we explore: how Amy and Jess first clicked over their shared passion for the Enneagram and how it has shaped their friendship what it's like for a 9 and 7 to build connection and work together the definition and purpose of friendship They remind us that building connections is not easy. It requires intentional investment to accept and move through the hard pieces that establish authentic friendship. Tune in next week as we continue the conversation and explore what each Enneagram type looks for and needs in a friendship.

This week we revisit our conversation with accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four with a Five Wing and a Three with a Two Wing. The impact of past-oriented and future-oriented perspectives in their marriage. John's courageous story of addiction and recovery, and how it has transformed his life and career. Julie's experience with Al-Anon and her path to self-discovery and healing. This episode is a testament to the power of self-reflection, the courage to redefine personal beliefs, and the strength found in sobriety. It's a story of hope, growth, and the beauty of self-acceptance. 📚 Get Julie Solomon's book "Get What You Want: How to Go from Unseen to Unstoppable" wherever books are sold. 🎬 Stay tuned for John Sheck's new series "Blue Ridge" coming in 2024. 🎧 Listen to Julie's podcast "The Influencer Podcast" for more insights on personal branding and marketing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We'd love to hear your feedback and experiences. Share your stories with us by following us on social media @TypologyPodcast. If you're enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support means the world to us.

We're amid an epidemic of anxiety. It affects all of us, our children, our peers, our partners. Yet, what if we could reframe anxiety in a new way that helps people live in a healthy relationship with something we all experience…something it means to be human? Our guest, Dr. David Rosmarin, Enneagram 3w2, associate professor at Harvard Medical School, program director at McLean Hospital, founder of the Center for Anxiety, and international expert on spirituality and mental health joins me for a much needed conversation about accepting anxiety as a natural part of life and learning to lean into it as a tool for positive change. In today's episode, Dr. Rosmarin and I explore: What brings up anxiety for Dr. Rosmarin The distinction between fear, anxiety, stress and worry Triggers of anxiety for different Enneagram types We also highlight a couple of practical tools provided in Dr. Rosmarin's book, 'Thriving with Anxiety,' which offers actionable strategies for managing anxiety in everyday life.

In this episode, Enneagram guru Seth Abram returns to the show for an in depth conversation about Shadow Work. The shadow refers to the unconscious aspects of ourselves that we hide or deny. "Really the concept of the shadow is all about what elements in our psyche are unknown to us, what's outside of our regular awareness [...] it's not just what's outside of our awareness, but it's also what discomforts the sense of self we wish to have," explains Seth. "Within me, it's what is true of me that when it's brought to my awareness, I find it super problematic. It's threatening to me, it's contradictory to what I profess my values are." Only by welcoming and integrating our shadow aspects, can we grow our definition of ourselves and become more authentic and whole. We'll explore: What the shadow is How self-examination through the Enneagram helps with shadow work What each type denies to be true about themselves Today's discussion offers valuable insights for anyone interested in shadow work and self-discovery. To hear the rest of our conversation with Seth where we explore practices and tools to help you with your shadow work, become a Typology Institute Member to gain access to our exclusive membership podcast and watch January's town hall with Seth where members were able to ask Seth their questions live.

We live in a broken world and suffering is inevitable. But, what are you going to do with what you've gone through? Writer and storyteller, Kristen LaValley, Enneagram 5w4, offers a refreshing perspective on faith, spirituality, suffering, and the human experience. She joins me in an exploration of suffering and challenging our beliefs when they don't hold up in crisis or darkness. As an Observer, Kristen explains what suffering is like for her, "I go deep inside and compartmentalize like crazy," which can lead to detachment and broken connections. As a five, "I feel things deeply but struggle to express them outwardly in expected ways." This is common for Fives as they typically struggle to experience their feelings in the moment as they arise, and need time to think their way to their feelings. In today's episode, we explore: Why Fives compartmentalize their emotions and impact it has on their loved ones What to do when traditional formulas and catchphrases are insufficient in times of pain and hardship Finding God and experiencing His presence in the midst of our suffering Author of the critically acclaimed book, "Even If He Doesn't," Kristen asks, "How can I approach God when I'm struggling to believe in His goodness?" and challenges us to relax into the knowledge that even if things don't go our way, He is present with us through the pain and turmoils of life. I hope this conversation challenges you to reflect on your own beliefs and find acceptance that there is no perfect explanation for suffering. Until next time, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest." ----------- Kristen's Website: https://kristenlavalley.com Pre-Order Your Copy of "Even If He Doesn't"

How does your Enneagram type influence the creative process? Whether we're in business, cooking a meal, or writing a book, we're all content creators on some level. Each of us has the capacity to tap into our gifts and bring something new into the world. Today, we explore the fascinating interplay between the Enneagram and creativity with author and writing coach, Mary Adkins. This conversation shines a light on the unique hurdles and assets each personality type brings to the table in their artistic endeavors. In this episode, we examine: How Mary discovered her Enneagram type and the role it plays in her coaching The importance of self-awareness in the creative process Why 'making a mess' and 'trusting the process' is instrumental for all types Mary's journey from Yale Law School and Duke to becoming a renowned writing coach and founder of The Book Incubator program serves as a testament to the power of understanding one's gifts and leveraging them to maximize their creative potential. Until next time, keep exploring the mystery of your unique personality and remember, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest." ------------------------------ Mary Adkins Website: www.maryadkinswriter.com The Book Incubator 12-month Program Instagram

How does your past shape your present relationships? This week's episode is a treasure trove of insights that you won't want to miss! Join us as we sit down with the insightful Ike Miller, PhD, author, pastor, and Enneagram Three, who brings a fresh perspective on how the baggage we carry from our childhood isn't all bad. In fact, it might just be the key to unlocking healthier relationships and a more authentic self. Ike's new book, "Good Baggage," challenges the notion that all our past experiences weigh us down. Instead, he invites us to sift through our stories and find the hidden tools that can lead to personal growth and relational health. In this episode, you'll discover: Ike's journey with the Enneagram and how it helped him understand his motivations and fears. The core fear of the Enneagram Three and how it can manifest in daily life. Strategies for self-differentiation and setting healthy boundaries The importance of authenticity in leadership and personal relationships. And much more! Whether you're an Enneagram Three wrestling with image management or someone curious about how to leverage your past for a better future, this conversation is for you. As always, we're here to support you in your journey of self-discovery and growth. If you find this episode as enlightening as we did, share it with a friend who might also benefit from Ike's wisdom. Until next time, keep exploring the mystery of your unique personality and remember, "May you have love, may you have joy, may you have peace, may you have healing, and may you have rest." P.S. Stay tuned for our upcoming episodes and make sure to follow us on Instagram @TypologyPodcast for daily doses of Enneagram knowledge and encouragement! Don't forget to check out Ike's book, "Good Baggage," and if you're looking for more resources to help you on your journey, consider exploring "The Search for Significance" by Robert McGee, a book that has deeply influenced Ike's understanding of identity and value. TIMESTAMPS (00:00:03) - Introduction to Typology Podcast (00:00:24) - Ike Miller's New Book: Good Baggage (00:01:21) - Reflecting on Past Events and Changes (00:02:43) - Ike Miller's Enneagram Discovery Journey (00:04:31) - Core Fear of Enneagram Three (00:05:12) - Utilizing Baggage from Childhood (00:06:06) - Threes Under Stress and Image Management (00:07:06) - Ike Miller on Identity and Achievement (00:08:03) - Preaching and Identity for Enneagram Threes (00:10:19) - Celebrating Personal Progress (00:12:10) - Moving Theological Understanding to Personal Experience (00:13:04) - Ike's Challenges During the Pandemic (00:14:02) - Ike and His Wife's Enneagram Dynamics (00:15:38) - Risk Aversion and Entrepreneurship in Enneagram Types (00:16:03) - Ike's Experience Leading a Church During COVID-19 (00:17:33) - The Importance of Authenticity in Ministry (00:18:14) - Ike's Book and The Search for Significance (00:19:02) - Therapy and Enneagram Threes (00:20:11) - Ike's Motivation for Therapy and Transparency (00:21:20) - The Challenge of Vulnerability for Enneagram Threes (00:22:49) - The Five Whys Technique for Personal Growth (00:24:34) - Self-Differentiation and Family Dynamics (00:25:41) - Ike's Three Keys to Navigating Dysfunctional Families (00:26:25) - Post-Traumatic Growth and Personal Development (00:27:23) - Tools for Healing and Growth in Ike's Book (00:28:04) - The Story of David and Goliath: A Metaphor for Self-Identity (00:29:20) - Closing Remarks and Ike's Contact Information

This week, we are thrilled to welcome back Sissy Goff, an accomplished counselor and leading voice in parenting and child psychology. As an Enneagram 1, Sissy has served as the director of counseling at Daystar Ministries since 1993, where she has impacted countless families over decades of devoted work. She returns to discuss the connection between parental anxiety and anger and how they impact our children. We also explore: Her experience as an Enneagram 1 and how it's helped shape her role as a guide and mentor in teaching parents how best to bond and communicate with their children. The difference between worry and anxiety and what you can do to become a better parent for your children. You won't want to miss Sissy Goff's thoughtful guidance and timeless advice. This discussion promises to be an essential listen for every parent.

With the Enneagram, what we do is not as important as why we do the things we do. This also applies to confidence. Behavioral economics pioneer, internationally sought-after consultant, and professor of confidence-driven decision-making Peter Atwater explains, "The 'why' to me is all related to our feelings of certainty and control because when I boil down what confidence is it's knowing what's coming and feeling like we are prepared for it." Today, we explore what confidence is and how to cultivate confidence….We dig into Peter's new book and go over his confidence quadrant framework, which includes the stress center, comfort zone, passenger seat, and the launchpad. It's a tool you can use to not only understand yourself better but to understand those around you better. This is a rich conversation and you're going to want to grab this book, The Confidence Map: Charting a Path from Chaos to Clarity. To learn more about Peter Atwater, visit his website, check out his TED Talks and pick up a copy of The Confidence Map.

Today on Typology we welcome a dynamic couple to the show: accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four with a Five Wing and a Three with a Two Wing. The impact of past-oriented and future-oriented perspectives in their marriage. John's courageous story of addiction and recovery, and how it has transformed his life and career. Julie's experience with Al-Anon and her path to self-discovery and healing. This episode is a testament to the power of self-reflection, the courage to redefine personal beliefs, and the strength found in sobriety. It's a story of hope, growth, and the beauty of self-acceptance. 📚 Get Julie Solomon's book "Get What You Want: How to Go from Unseen to Unstoppable" wherever books are sold. 🎬 Stay tuned for John Sheck's new series "Blue Ridge" coming in 2024. 🎧 Listen to Julie's podcast "The Influencer Podcast" for more insights on personal branding and marketing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We'd love to hear your feedback and experiences. Share your stories with us by following us on social media @TypologyPodcast. If you're enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support means the world to us.

How do you discern what God is saying? The Enneagram teaches us that we're not all the same person. It allows us to be unique and have unique experiences. So, what if the key to hearing Him is understanding the distinct way he speaks to you? Today's guest, pastor and author Havilah Cunnington reminds us we can't assume that God speaks to us all in the same way. "I think that's really important in life, to be different, to have a uniqueness, to understand that God doesn't interact with all of His kids the same way. Just like I have four boys. I don't interact with [them] in the same way," explains Havilah. "Understanding how He speaks to you gives us a starting point. It allows us to at least recognize where we might be so we can actually go deeper and build a better relationship and interaction with Him." In this episode, we dive into her intriguing insights from her latest book, discussing the nuances of discerning divine guidance and how to harness one's unique spiritual personality for a deeper, more meaningful relationship with God. We also explore how Havilah's Enneagram type energizes her approach to spiritual leadership and her passion for helping others recognize and listen to God's voice in their lives. If you've ever felt lost because you never felt that you could hear the voice of God in your life, this episode could help you discover His unique way of communicating with you. ABOUT HAVILAH CUNNINGTON Havilah Cunnington has had a remarkable journey of over twenty years in full-time ministry and as the female pastor at Bethel Church, her experience spans from guiding spiritual growth in individuals to leading a nonprofit, and her podcast, Truth to Table. She's the author of the book, "Created to Hear God: 4 Unique and Proven Ways to Confidently Discern His Voice." Website: https://havilahcunnington.com

What does it mean to be a man? It can be an incendiary question in some circles. But Brian Tome brings his Enneagram Eight energy to the topic as we explore his new book, The Five Marks of a Man: finding your path to courageous manhood, "I didn't have that definitive moment where I crossed from boyhood to manhood because no one ever declared me a man. No one ever told me that," explains Brian. "It's not an age thing. It's not what kind of truck or Prius you drive. It's an attitude and a certain approach to life." We explore his willingness to embrace vulnerability and live purposefully as part of this approach. It's a passionate conversation that sparks the question, "How would you characterize your understanding of manhood?" ------- About Brian Tome Brian Tome has been leading men for over two decades. Whether it's on an adventure motorcycle over the Rockies or in a boardroom, he knows the power of challenge, brotherhood, and no-nonsense leadership. Brian is a builder who founded and leads Crossroads Church, one of the largest churches in America with locations in multiple states and a national digital footprint. He's also written five books; hosts The Aggressive Life podcast; and started Man Camp, a primitive weekend camping experience that's driven 20,000 men to reclaim the code of manhood. Brian spends his free time hunting, camping, or rehabbing a 1978 Jeep CJ-7. He lives with his wife, Libby, in Cincinnati. www.briantome.com The Five Marks of a Man The Aggressive Life Podcast P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology on Apple, Spotify or your favorite podcast player to get the latest episodes.

In today's episode, distinguished guest Dr. Chip Dodd, a beacon of guidance and hope, joins me for a beautiful conversation about the power of feelings and relationships. We explore his groundbreaking Spiritual Root System (SRS), a simple yet powerful framework for understanding your emotional and spiritual nature and integrating it into your desired life. With his profound understanding of addiction, stress illnesses, and burnout, he shares insights that guide people toward healing. We also differentiate between the traits of Type 2 and Type 8 and how that shared line fuels his passion and dedication to helping others find their true path. To learn more about Chip Dodd visit his website at www.chipdodd.com and grab a copy of his book, "The Voice of the Heart: A Call to Full Living."

Curiosity is something we're all born with…it's a desire to know, a search for understanding. In today's episode, Enneagram 7, Scott Shigeoka shares how his innately inquisitive nature allows him to foster deeper connections and explains how others can and should do the same. "We often think about [curiosity] as an intellectual tool to extract information, but actually you can move from the mind into the heart and it can become a heart-center tool that you use to better understand people, to understand yourself, to understand the divine…it's a force for connection," explains Scott. We dig into his new book, "Seek: How Curiosity Can Transform Your Life & Change the World," and differentiate between shallow curiosity and deep curiosity…and why we need both. Scott Shigeoka is an internationally recognized curiosity expert, speaker, and author. He is known for translating research into strategies that promote positive well-being and connected relationships around the globe, including at the UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center and through his popular courses at the University of Texas at Austin. Scott implements his curiosity practices in the public sector, Fortune 500 companies, Hollywood, media organizations, education institutions, and small businesses. To learn more about Scott, visit his website at www.scottshigeoka.com and follow him on Instagram at @scottshigeoka. You can also grab a copy of his new book "SEEK" here.

Each of us manage stress differently, but understanding our pressure points and automatic reactions allows us to consciously change the way we respond. When we understand the triggers of others, we can compassionately support them as well. In Part 3 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 7s, 8s, and 9s experience and manage stress. We explore: How Type 7s cope with the frustration of restrictions and the struggle to stay engaged when their freedom to choose feels limited. The journey of Type 8s in embracing vulnerability as a strength, learning that sharing emotions is not a sign of weakness but a brave act of courage. Ways Type 9s can rise above their natural inclination towards passivity by finding a voice for their needs and desires, ensuring self-care is as much a priority as caring for others. We offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced when life's circumstances get tense. Listen to the full episode here, and please, share it with anyone who might be grappling with stress or burnout—it might be just what they need. You can also download our Ways to Mitigate Stress Based on Your Personality PDF for a quick-look at tips for each type.

How do you manage the weight of what's going on in the world these days? Each of us handle stress differently, but when we take the time to recognize our triggers and automatic reactions, we're able to stop, pivot and intentionally change our response. In Part 2 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 4s, 5s, and 6s experience and manage stress. We explore how: Type 4s can channel their profound empathy to forge deep connections and resilience in the face of adversity. The analytical brilliance of Type 5s can overshadow their emotional expression, particularly under stress. Type 6s sometimes seek security in facts and forecasts, overlooking the serenity that comes from within. We offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced when life's circumstances are tense. Listen to the full episode, then please share it with anyone who might be grappling with stress or burnout—it might be just what they need. P.S. You can also download our Ways to Mitigate Stress Based on Your Personality PDF for a quick-look at tips for each type.

There's a lot going on in the world right now and we're all feeling different types of pressures. Each of us handle stress in different ways, and if we're not careful, we can let our unhealthy behaviors take the lead. So, how do we work through seasons of stress to become the best, most helpful, most loving and compassionate expression of ourselves. I believe the Enneagram can help. It's not a cure-all, but the Enneagram recognizes and takes into account the fluid nature of the personality, which is constantly adapting as circumstances change. There are times when your personality is in a healthy space, times when it's in an average space, and times when it's downright nuts. We all teeter on the continuum between healthy and unhealthy multiple times per day. But when we take the time to recognize our triggers and automatic reactions, we're able to stop, pivot and intentionally change our response. In this 3-part series, Anthony and I cover how each Enneagram Type typically deals with stress and offer practical tips to mitigate self-defeating behaviors and remain emotionally balanced. Today, we tackle Enneagram types One, Two, and Three.

Grief is not something you do. It's something you go through. All of us experience different types of grief and each of us grieve in different ways. But if we allow grief to consume us, if we don't grow through grief, it locks us in the past and keeps us stuck. The recent loss of my mother has been an invitation for me to reflect on the ways I process my own grief. So today, Anthony and I wanted to bring this topic to you and offer some useful insights on how each Enneagram type expresses grief and what they need in that season so you can love, care for, and serve that type better in periods of grief. Tune in then share this episode with your friends, family and coworkers so they too can learn how to support others well based on what they need. Don't forget to follow @typologypodcast on Apple, Spotify, and Instagram to get the latest episodes each week.

Our greatest legacies are not just in what we achieve, but in the indomitable spirit we demonstrate and pass on to the ones we love. Living a life of purpose could be the greatest gift you can give to the people you love. In today's episode, pastor and motivational speaker, Jay Hewitt shares his deeply personal journey of facing a terminal brain cancer diagnosis at thirty-seven and opens up about the big questions that challenge him and the profound lessons his diagnosis has taught him about vulnerability, deep connections, resilience, fatherhood, and faith. Tune into this powerful conversation that reminds us of what truly is important – our connection to others. ------------- Learn more about Jay Hewitt at https://www.jayhewitt.org or follow him @jayhewitt on Instagram and YouTube. P.S. Don't forget to follow Typology Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player to get weekly episodes in your feed.

How can we use the Enneagram to understand and navigate our emotions? Each of us has a unique emotional wiring that has shaped our personality. But oftentimes, we undervalue the importance of our feelings. "Feelings are just as much a gift from God as thoughts," explains Dr. Bill Gualtiere, "[...] our thoughts influence our feelings. But our feelings influence our thoughts also, and our feelings and emotions are very biological." Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere join me for an Enneagram-filled conversation about the significance of empathy for emotional and spiritual development. They share the emotional alarms and soul care practices for each type, and offer a unique map that uncovers the core feelings associated with each Enneagram type. To learn more about Drs. Kristi and Bill Gaultiere, visit their website here, connect with them on social media @soulshepherding, listen to their Soul Talks podcast, or grab a copy of their new book, Healthy Feelings, Thriving Faith: Growing Emotionally and Spiritually through the Enneagram.

The metric of success is not tied to money or fame, it's living up to what you're called to do. Founder and CEO of The Cupcake Collection, Mignon Francois, joins us for a delightful conversation about how she turned her last $5 into a $10 million dollar cupcake empire. Now she's helping other people learn what they can do if only they believe in themselves. "Everything is already here that will allow you to become or to create whatever it is that you decided in your heart that you want to do," says Mignon. "It's about finding joy in the process of being who you were called to be." Not only does she offer a bit of wisdom gleaned from her life experiences, but she shares her love for the Enneagram and how she uses it in her personal and professional life. We help her hone in on her type by digging into the similarities and differences between an Enneagram 2 and Enneagram 4. To learn more about Mignon Francois, order your own cupcakes, or grab a copy of her new book, Made From Scratch: Finding Success Without A Recipe, visit www.thecupcakecollection.com

As human beings we're wired for connection – to be seen and known fully – yet loved anyway. When we lack this true connection, we begin to drift into a feeling of loneliness or isolation, both of which have been proven to impact our physical and mental health. Today's guest, Justin Whitmel Earley, explains the difference between social isolation and loneliness, then implores us to prioritize healthy, deep connections with others stating, "The difference between those of us who are persevering or getting crushed by life is whether or not you're walking through life beside close friends, people who really deeply know you. Because we all experience hard things, we all experience suffering, we all have mental health struggles. But if you walk through it alone, you will be crushed." He also shares a few strategies we can all use to foster deep friendships from his new book, Made for People: Why We Drift into Loneliness and How to Fight for a Life of Friendship. I hope this episode encourages you to stop and take an inventory of your own connections.

Philip Yancey is an award-winning author, renowned theologian, and influential speaker who has written 13 Gold Medallion award-winning books and won two ECPA Book of the Year awards for What's So Amazing About Grace? And The Jesus I Never Knew. Today, I had the wonderful opportunity to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the bestselling book, What's So Amazing About Grace? with author Philip Yancey. The question is just as relevant now as it was when the book was first published. It still holds true that the most important things in life are love, forgiveness and grace. Regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs, Philip invites us to question how we understand grace and how we extend it to ourselves and others. Learn more about Philip Yancey and his works at: www.philipyancey.com www.facebook.com/philipyancey www.instagram.com/philipyanceyofficial/ www.twitter.com/philipyancey What's So Amazing About Grace?

"We have three energetic engines of what it means to be human. One is our feeling, one is our thinking, and one is our behaving. When those three things are integrated, the way that we're kind of wired, when we kind of again walk into the party and we're really behaving and thinking and feeling all in alignment, this is the fullest expression of a human being." explains Dr. Julia DiGangi. Our new friend. Dr. Julia DiGangi brought the conversation today! We dig into the emotional, cognitive, and behavioral structure of the personality and what it means to live in alignment with all three. She is the author of the amazing new book Energy Rising: the Neuroscience of Leading with Emotional Power. If the content and the spirit of this episode has not convinced you to go by her book, please rewind to the beginning of the interview and listen more carefully because it has been such a privilege and a pleasure to have this time with Dr. DiGangi. ----------------------------------- Learn more about Dr. Julia DiGangi https://www.neurohealthpartners.com/dr-jdg https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliadigangi https://www.instagram.com/drjuliadigangi

Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on lives of their own and can grow and crowd out what's actually happening. Today, we revisit my conversation with Jeff Chu to explore the complexities of The Loyalist, and how knowing his Enneagram type has allowed him to identify those aspects of his personality that are responses to things he's been through in the past and work through them. ---------------- Jeff Chu is a writer, reporter, Editor-at-large at Travel + Leisure, and Teacher in residence at Crosspointe Church. His reporting and writing has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Travel+Leisure, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Modern Farmer. When big publishers were still starting magazines and pouring millions of dollars into them, Jeff was an editor on the launch team of the now-defunct Conde Nast Portfolio. And before that, he spent seven years at Time magazine, where he really received his journalistic education. Jeff was a London-based web producer and staff writer. In 2021, Jeff helped turn Rachel Held Evans' latest work-in-progress into a finished book titled, "Wholehearted Faith." He wove the words of her partial manuscript with other unpublished writings to create a rich collection of essays that ask candid questions about the stories we've been told—and the stories we tell—about our faith, our selves, and our world.

There's no such thing as a pure personality type. We're all a mash up of two types – your dominant type and your dominant wing. Knowing your wing is important because they reveal a whole different side of your personality and can explain contradictory elements within your personality. Enneagram Fives are edged between the passionate, intense Four on one side and the loyal but anxious Six on the other. Depending on their dominant wing, these two can look very different. Today, we explore how an Enneagram Five with a dominant Four wing processes and experiences things very intensely on both the intellectual and feeling planes. Jason Adam Miller describes this complicated relationship as "as a civil war between the two." Tune in for an inside look through the lens of an Enneagram 5w4 and how Jason has learned to balance the two. --- Jason Adam Miller is the founder and lead pastor of South Bend City Church, an eclectic Christian community known for its thoughtful teaching, inclusive vision, and commitment to its city context. An advocate for artists and peacemakers, his work beyond South Bend focuses on cultural headwaters and conflict zones, where he serves an international constituency of leaders. He holds a master's degree in theology from the University of Notre Dame. https://www.jasonadammiller.com/ https://www.instagram.com/jasonadammiller/ https://southbendcitychurch.com/ When the World Breaks: The Surprising Hope and Subversive Promises in the Teachings of Jesus

Burnout is more common than you think and the rates continue to rise. So, what constitutes burnout and how do we combat it? First, we need to understand the stressors that lead to burnout in the first place. According to physician, executive coach, and speaker Dr. Neha Sangwan, "burnout is due to prolonged stress and an ongoing net drain of energy on one or more of five levels: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. When we burn out, our productivity suffers, our health declines, and we're more reactive in our relationships." In today's episode, Dr. Sangwan shares the story of her own wake-up call, breaks down the phases of burnout, and provides examples from her new book, Powered by Me: From Burned Out to Fully Charged at Work and in Life, of how to assess the five levels of burnout so you can take practical steps to replenish your energy and heal. To learn more about Dr. Sangwan, visit her website or grab a copy of her book on Amazon.

What is the gut-brain connection, and what role does it play in living a healthy and fulfilling life? Functional medicine expert Dr. Will Cole joins us to talk about his newest book, Gut-Feelings: Healing the Shame-Fueled Relationship Between What You Eat and How You Feel, and how to heal our bodies through nutrition. Versed in the Enneagram, Dr. Cole shares how it has helped him educate and empower others by learning to communicate with others in a way they can receive it. "My Enneagram Five-ness as far as being a researcher really does suit me well, and I think that's why I've been such a voracious consumer of health information and research [...] but, there's this duality, bidirectional relationship between what I do as science and the art," explains Dr. Cole. "The art part of what we do is holding the space in between the words and really understanding how can I get this health information and help them to understand it, to empower them, to give them agency over their health, and to really help them apply these things so it's sustainable and practical, for them to reclaim their quality of life?" Tune into this fascinating conversation, then jump over to Amazon to grab your copy of "Gut Feelings."

To be human is to suffer. Most people try to bypass suffering or live with it in isolation. But true healing happens when you acknowlege its presence, learn to be with it, and allow others to come alongside you in your pain. "Suffering is this whole notion of my perception that, 'I'm alone with my pain.' So suffering is a direct function of the degree to which I am isolated with my pain," explains Dr. Curt Thompson. "If I practice allowing others to be with me, it changes the nature of how I practice anticipating the future. And this is how 'I' don't form hope for me…'we' form hope for me." In today's episode, Dr. Curt Thompson returns to discuss his incredible new book, The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope. We explore the intersection of faith and neuroscience, unraveling the profound impact of suffering and the formation of hope. To learn more about Dr. Curt Thompson, visit his website or grab a copy of his new book.

Does your internal world align with your external world? If not, how can the Enneagram help you harness the vast treasures of instinctual insights and inspirations on a regular basis to realize personal and professional success? Liz Tran, Executive Coach and author of The Karma of Success, joins me for a wonderful conversation about tapping into your inner genius in order to capitalize on what you're truly capable of. She shares the four spiritual strategies that foster reflection and help you infuse intuition and creativity into a career of purpose and joy. ---------- Liz Tran is the founder of Reset, an executive coaching company to CEOs and founders. Before founding Reset, Liz spent over a decade working in the tech industry, most recently as the only female executive at a leading venture capital firm. She is a trained meditation teacher and Reiki Master and studied yoga at the Samyak Ashram. She lives in New York City and Norfolk, Connecticut with her husband, Dev, and their dog, Grover. To learn more about Liz Tran and The Karma of Success, visit her website or follow her on Instagram.

We live in a world where we are faced with profound suffering on the news all day long and we see too much suffering of the world. But how do we take the unexpected things that happen to us and somehow breathe new life into them? Author of The Gift of the Unexpected: Discovering Who You Were Meant to Be When Life Goes Off Plan, Jillian Benfield believes, "No matter what your unexpected circumstance is–you don't have to classify it as good–but I do think that good can come out of it and that [good] is that we can change through our unexpected circumstances if we're willing to go all the way through it." Listen as Jillian shares the unexpected gift that helped shift her perspective and find true self-worth. ----------------- Jillian Benfield is a former journalist and news anchor. She holds a broadcast journalism degree from the University of Georgia. As a freelance writer, her essays about living an unexpected life have appeared on sites such as TODAY, Good Morning America, Yahoo! News, and ABC News. Jillian regularly advocates for the full inclusion of people with disabilities in her writings, community, and as part of the National Down Syndrom Congress's National Down Syndrom Advocacy Coalition. Jillian and her husband, Andy, and their three children make their home on Florida's Space Coast.

We're kicking off Season 7 with a topic I've not yet discussed on the show: Holy Ideas. Holy Ideas remind us of the powerful spiritual roots of the Enneagram. They are great, universal, spiritual truths that we forgot or lost touch with, as the ego created an overlay of personality. It's a challenging concept, but today's guest, renowned Enneagram teacher Renée Rosario walks us through the Holy Ideas for each type and reminds us to "relax with awareness into this idea that there is a power greater than us, that is actually taking care of all the things we think we have to take care of in our type." Renée Rosario is a Core Faculty member of The Narrative Enneagram and a transpersonal, body-centered psychotherapist in Boulder, CO. She has facilitated workshops and classes for over 20 years and loves to work in the Narrative Tradition where all are students and teachers of one another. Renée has been a mindfulness instructor at Naropa University and a peacemaker trained in contemplative social action through the Peacemaker Institute. Her upcoming two classes, Narrative Enneagram Intensive Part 1 and Narrative Enneagram Learning Community will take place on August 4-6 in Menlo Park, CA or you can attend online. Learn more at www.narrativeenneagram.org.

As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation. But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost. Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right. They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don't see things the right way – their way. But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go and become more at ease with imperfection. They begin to truly quiet that inner critic and turn it into an inner encourager. Our guest today, Julianne Cusick, shares how her journey toward self-awareness and self-knowledge as an Enneagram One has allowed her to prioritize relationships over perfection and has given her permission to have fun dancing in the kitchen. Julianne Cusick is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a Certified EMDR Therapist (Maiberger Institute), and an AANE Certified Neurodiverse Couples Coach. She thrives on personal and professional growth. A dynamic and engaging communicator, Julianne speaks to Christian organizations, women's groups, and retreats – all from the voice of hope and her own story of healing and redemption. She is a mother of two who enjoys gardening, reading, and spending time with her family and friends. For more about Julianne or Restoring the Soul, visit www.restoringthesoul.com.

Enneagram Threes focus on outstanding performance, being perceived as successful, and avoiding failure at all costs. They believe that love comes from achievement, image, and status and have the tendency to neglect or ignore the personal needs of self and others. But when Threes move toward health, they move to the high side of Six. When that happens, they no longer need to "drive the bus" or flaunt success. They are so good at helping others live to their full potential and be successful in their own right and not have it be all about their own success. In this episode, Lisa Whelchel discusses her journey toward being a healthy Three. Listen in as she touches on her subtypes, how she identifies her True Self, and how the Enneagram has impacted her life as an introverted Type 3 with a 2 wing. Lisa is an actress, author, international speaker, and life coach. Perhaps best known for her starring role as Blair Warner on NBC's "The Facts of Life" for nine years, she's also the author of "Creative Correction," which has sold over 200,000 copies and has written more than a dozen books. Currently, Lisa is a certified CoActive Life Coach and focuses most of her time these days coming alongside others on their transformational journey to remembering their True Self. For more information please visit www.LisaWhelchel.com and www.ContigoLifeCoach.com.

Have you ever wondered why you like sad music, find comfort or inspiration in a rainy day, or react intensely to music, art, nature, and beauty? If so, you may identify with the bittersweet state of mind. Bestselling author Susan Cain joins Anthony and I in a deep exploration of the important topic of bittersweet. She explains that "as humans, we enter this world with a sense of longing and separation from a more perfect and beautiful world. We come into the world with this knowledge and with these kinds of holy tears, you could call them, and this is one of the best and most beautiful things about us, the fact that we feel this [..], the fact of wanting to glimpse it and occasionally glimpsing it is that that's actually the secret fuel behind our creativity and our capacity for love." Tune in for this incredible conversation that puts words to the pining and longing of Enneagram Fours. Susan Cain is the author of the bestsellers Bittersweet: How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole and Quiet: The Power of Introverts in A World That Can't Stop Talking, which spent eight years on the New York Times best seller list and has been translated into 40 languages. Susan's TED talks have been viewed over 40 million times. LinkedIn named her the Top 6th Influencer in the World, just behind Richard Branson and Melinda French Gates. Susan partners with Malcolm Gladwell, Adam Grant and Dan Pink to curate the Next Big Idea Book Club. They donate all their proceeds to children's literacy programs.

Some of my favorite interviews on Typology happen when a guest comes on thinking they're one type but they present differently. Today is one of those conversations. We start the show by talking to author, speaker, and social media personality, Carlos Whittaker, exploring how he determined his type and what struck him the most about being an Enneagram 9. Not long into our conversation, we begin to unravel the lines between Enneagram 3s, 6s, and 9s and dig into a brief typing interview. It's an engaging conversation you don't want to miss. We also pivot to talk about his new book, ​How to Human: Three Ways to Share Life Beyond What Distracts, Divides, and Disconnects​, where Carlos shares the transformative power of embracing human connection and learning to navigate difficult things with a little more grace. To learn more about Carlos and his new book, visit his website ​here​. Listen ​now​ on your favorite podcast player.