This Is Not Church Podcast

In this episode we talk with Kristin Du Mez. Kristin Kobes Du Mez is a New York Times bestselling author and Professor of History and Gender Studies at Calvin University. She holds a PhD from the University of Notre Dame and her research focuses on the intersection of gender, religion, and politics. She has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, Religion News Service, and Christianity Today, and has been interviewed on NPR, CBS, and the BBC, among other outlets. Her most recent book is Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation (which was just released in paperback). You can connect with Kristin on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Kristin's website Kristin's books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Mark Karris. Mark Gregory Karris is a licensed marriage and family therapist, theologian, adjunct professor, ordained pastor, husband, writer, recording artist, and worship leader. He's a voracious reader, researcher and all around biophilic. He has received a master's degree in counseling through the Alliance Graduate School of Counseling in Nyack, N.Y., a master of divinity from Drew Theological School in N.J., and is currently working through his PsyD from Alliant International University in San Diego. You can connect with Mark on: Facebook Twitter Check out his website His books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Katy Valentine about metaphysics, reiki, and the cosmic Christ. We delve into questions relating to the god of mystery. Katy received her PhD in New Testament from the Graduate Theological Union and is an ordained minister in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). She is one of the co-hosts of the very popular podcast The Heretic Happy Hour. She is also the co-host of Magical Mystery Journeys podcast. She is the author of For You Were Bought With A Price: Sex, Slavery, and Self-Control in a Pauline Community You can connect with Katy on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Take a look at her website You can purchase her book at amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Fr. Kenneth Tanner about finding a richer and more authentic connection to faith. Looking at the early church, and how it relates to us today. Seeing the humanity of Jesus. The human god...the suffering god. Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. You can connect with Kenneth Tanner on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Check out the website for Church of the Holy Redeemer You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Felicia Murrell & Mercy Aiken about racism in America, the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, and the similarities and differences between these two issues that seem to divide our country. Felicia is an ordained pastor with River Fellowship and presently resides in Atlanta, Georgia with her husband, Doug. Together they have served in church leadership and ministerial roles for almost 20 years. Currently, they oversee Wise Counsel Ministries bringing transformation to both people and organizations. Felicia’s greatest joy is loving people. With a heart to equip and empower others, her passion is to bring others into a revelation of sonship where they learn to walk as Jesus walked through the experience of Father God continuously loving them. She and Doug have 4 adult children. You can connect with her on Facebook Instagram You can get a copy of her book on Amazon.com Mercy Aiken made Israel and Palestine lived intermittently in Bethlehem, Palestine, from September 2015 to the summer of 2020. Prior to this, she worked many years as a writer and leader in various web-based ministries and leadership in local churches. She is involved with Bethlehem Bible College and the biannual Christ at the Checkpoint conference held in Bethlehem which challenges evangelicals to consider the perspective and experience of Palestinian Christians. She is also committed to relationship and bridge-building work with Muslims and Jews. She is currently pursuing a Master’s Degree through St. Stephen's University and is the author of a soon-to-be-released book about Dr. Bishara Awad, the founder of Bethlehem Bible College, tentatively entitled "Fire in Bethlehem." You can connect with her on Facebook Instagram Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Matthew Distefano. The author of the recently released Bonfire Session: A Year of Shadow and Flame. Matthew J. Distefano is the author of multiple best-selling books, co-host of two podcasts, a long-time social worker, and hip-hop artist. He lives in Northern California with his wife and daughter. You can connect with Matthew on: Facebook Instagram Twitter You can find his blog on Patheos Check out his website All of Matthew's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Meg Calvin. The author of - I Am My Own Sanctuary: How A Recovering Holy-Roller Found Healing And Power. Meggie Lee Calvin (Meg) is an Amazon Bestselling Author, Wife, Mom, Speaker, Podcaster, and Coach who helps her fellow Spiritually-Attuned Go-Getters find confidence and certainty in who they were meant to be. You can connect with Meg on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Follow this link to her website Meg's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this bonus episode we talk chat with two of the authors of the recently released book - Before You Lose Your Mind. This book is a direct response to another book released by the Gospel Coalition the title of which I will not put here. This is a must read for anyone who has gone through or is going through deconstruction. Before You Lose Your Mind can be purchased in paperback or eBook at Amazon.com Here is the list of authors that contributed to this book with links to their pages. Please check out their books/writings as well. Brandon Andress Michelle Collins Derrick Day Matthew J. Distefano Brandon Dragan Jason Elam Maria Francesca French Keith Giles Mark Gregory Karris Matthew J Korpman Josh Roggie Rev. Dr. Katy Valentine Skeeter Wilson Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In This episode we chat with Keith Giles. The author of Jesus Unforsaken: Substituting Divine Wrath With Unrelenting Love. He is the author of several books, including: "Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible" and "Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Keith is the co-host of the Heretic Happy Hour Podcast. Keith also teaches several online courses including "Square 1: From Deconstruction to Reconstruction" and other courses based on his many books. You can connect With Keith Giles on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Patheos Check out the classes Keith offers on his website. All of Keith's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Wm Paul Young and Brad Jersak about: The Pastor: A Crisis. We delve into questions about shame, fear, wrath, and how the grace of God can bring redemption and forgiveness. Even to the people we deem as irredeemable and unforgivable. This conversation will challenge you...in a good way. You can connect With Wm Paul Young on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Also, check out his website. You can connect with Brad Jersak on: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Also Check Out his website. You can purchase The Pastor A Crisis on Amazon.com Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Thomas Jay Oord. Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. Oord is a best-selling and award-winning author, having written or edited more than twenty-five books. He directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. A twelve-time Faculty Award-winning professor, Oord teaches at institutions around the globe. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, and the implications of freedom and relationships for transformation. You can connect With Thomas Jay Oord on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Also, check out his website. You can purchase Thomas Jay Oord's book God Can't on Amazon.com Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this week’s episode we chat with our good friend Kyle Butler. Kyle is a former pastor who has left the church to pursue a closer and more intimate connection to the divine. Kyle speaks on our connection to the divine through unconditional love. Kyle is a co-host of The Graceline. He can be found speaking the truths of our divine nature on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. You can connect with Kyle Butler on Facebook Instagram YouTube Or Connect with him through his website. Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Michelle Collins Michelle Collins a wife, and mother to 4 grown children. She served in the US Marine Corps. Is currently pursuing a doctorate in psychology as well as additional degrees in biblical studies and Christian counseling. An introvert dedicated to both fitness of body and mind. Michelle possesses the rare ability to participate in a discussion and see both sides without disparaging those of whom she might disagree. She is currently writing a book on the grief cycle applied to religious deconstruction. You can connect with Michelle Collins on: Facebook, Instagram (if you want to follow her body building) Michelle is also the co-host of Mental Podcast We will link to her new book as soon as it is available to purchase. Keep an eye out for it. The title of the book is Into The Grey Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Karl Forehand Karl J. Forehand was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren. You can connect with Karl Forehand on: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Patheos, and his Website You can find Karl's books on Amazon Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Brad Jersak Brad is the dean of theology and culture at St Stephen's University in Canada. He is the author of 20 books including Her Gates Will Never Be Shut, A More Christlike God, A More Christlike Way, and The Pastor: A Crisis co-written with Paul Young. You can connect with Brad Jersak on: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we speak with our good friend Jason Elam. Jason Elam is Brandi’s grateful husband, the proud dad of 4 awesome kids, a former professional wrestler and radio broadcaster, and former local church pastor for over 20 years. He is the author of the forthcoming book, “From Ashes We Rise” and hosts The Messy Spirituality Podcast. You can connect with Jason on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Patreon. Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Episode 1: Introduction This episode is the introduction of both Jon & Nat Turney. We talk about the hopes of the podcast as long with a little of our background. Check out or website for all things This Is not Church related Follow us on social media: Facebook Twitter Instagram Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.