This Is Not Church Podcast

In this episode we chat with Lisa Sharon Harper Ms. Harper is the author of several books, including Evangelical Does Not Equal Republican…or Democrat (The New Press, 2008); Left Right and Christ: Evangelical Faith in Politics (Elevate, 2011); Forgive Us: Confessions of a Compromised Faith (Zondervan, 2014); and the critically acclaimed, The Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong can be Made Right (Waterbrook, a division of Penguin Random House, 2016). The Very Good Gospel, recognized as the “2016 Book of the Year” by Englewood Review of Books, explores God’s intent for the wholeness of all relationships in light of today’s headlines. Her latest book Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World - And How to Repair It All releases on 02/08/2022 Ms. Harper earned her Masters degree in Human Rights from Columbia University in New York City, and served as Sojourners Chief Church Engagement Officer. In this capacity, she fasted for 22 days as a core faster in 2013 with the immigration reform Fast for Families. She trained and catalyzed evangelicals in St. Louis and Baltimore to engage the 2014 push for justice in Ferguson and the 2015 healing process in Baltimore, and she educated faith leaders in South Africa to pull the levers of their new democracy toward racial equity and economic inclusion. You can follow Lisa on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Lisa's website to stay connected with all her upcoming events. Here is a link to the trailer for Lisa's new book Fortune You can purchase all of Lisa's books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Susan Cottrell.SUSAN COTTRELL is an international speaker whose TEDx talk has 1.5 million views. OutSmart magazine called her “The Mother of All MamaBears.” The Advocate dubbed her “our favorite affirming matriarch.” She is a prominent voice for the LGBTQ community and their faith parents who has been featured on ABC’s 20/20, Nightline and Good Morning America, on NBC News Out, and as a contributor on the Our Bible app. She is a public theologian and through her nonprofit organization—FreedHearts—Susan expresses her authentic love for the LGBTQ+ community and families; and she sees love as the healing foundation of family, faith, and community. She spent 20+ years in the nonaffirming Evangelical church, has a Master of Arts in Theological Studies, and served as the Vice-President of PFLAG Austin. Her FreedHearts Blog and YouTube videos have millions of viewers, and her books “Mom, I’m Gay”—Loving Your LGBTQ Child and Strengthening Your Faith; True Colors: Celebrating the Truth and Beauty of the Real You; Radically Included: The Biblical Case for Radical Love and Inclusion; and Be the Love You Want to See in the World are critically acclaimed. She and her husband Rob have been married for 34 years and have five children, two of whom identify as queer.You can follow Susan on:Facebook InstagramCheck out FreedHearts on there websiteTake a listen to Susan's podcastYou can purchase Susan's book on Amazon.comYou can connect with us on Facebook Instagram TwitterWant to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions.Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog postsEach episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Carol Wimmer. After twenty-two years of church ministry, as a director of music and artistic ministries, Carol Wimmer felt a call that led her away from the institutional model of the church. From 1996 to 2000, she experienced an intense time of spiritual growth. The new insights opened the door to fresh theological perspectives in three areas of human concern: time, language, and the organization of God’s people. Believing that personal insight must be grounded in credible scholarship, Carol entered the field of biblical research as an independent researcher. Her studies culminated in the presentation of several academic papers within the Society of Biblical Literature. She has published three books to date and is planning to publish her fourth book soon. She hopes her research will help, in some small way, to reorient the focus of the collective human spirit in the areas of time, language and organization. Carol writes from a visionary perspective. She offers spiritual insights gained through the lens of light, color and images of Creation. You can Follow Carol on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Carol's website You can purchase Carol's book at Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Sara Cunningham. Sara Cunningham is an author, activist, and founder of the non-profit organization Free Mom Hugs. Her journey is a surprising one that began in conservative Oklahoma, when her son, Parker, came out as gay. As a woman of faith, Sara wrestled with the news until she began to study, research, and reconcile the two worlds. This journey resulted in her book How We Sleep at Night. She found herself on a journey “from the church to the Pride parade,” falling in love with the LGBTQIA+ community. In the wake of beautiful glitter-covered hugs and heart-breaking horror stories, the mission of Free Mom Hugs began. Simple acts of love and acceptance turned into a viral sensation, and Sara knew she had the opportunity to lead impactful change. You can follow Sara on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Free Mom Hugs at their website You can purchase Sara's book at Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Sandhya Jah. Sandhya Jha (she/they) is an anti-oppression consultant who particularly loves helping organizations get Diversity/Equity/Inclusion teams off the ground. Sandhya is the founder and former executive director of the Oakland Peace Center, a collective of 40 organizations working to create equity, access, and dignity as the means of creating peace in Oakland and the Bay Area. An ordained pastor with a master’s in public policy, Sandhya is comfortable in the pulpit, on the picket line, or hanging out with friends and friends-to-be over a good cup of tea and a good story. They are currently working on their fifth book for Chalice Press. You can follow Sandhya on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Find all things Sandhya including their blog on their website You can purchase Sandhya's book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with...no one but each other. Nat & I thought it would be good to start the new year off with a look back at the last year of the podcast. Chat about the things that caught us off guard. We chat about the guests we had on. We chat about what we were and were not prepared for. We chat about how humbling this experience has been. But mostly, it was just another excuse for us to chat with each other, make fun of each other, and have a few laughs. He is to all that happened for our podcast in 2021, and all the hopes and dreams for 2022. You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Hemant Mehta (AKA The Friendly Atheist) Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. He is a former National Board Certified high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago, where he taught for for seven years. He continues to coach their Speech/forensics team. Hemant has appeared on CNN and FOX News Channel, served on the boards for Foundation Beyond Belief (a charity organization targeting non-theistic donors) and the Secular Student Alliance (which creates and supports college atheist groups nationwide). On April 1, 2020, Mehta won his first appearance on the television game show Jeopardy You can follow Hemant on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Follow his blog on Patheos Find his podcast HERE You can purchase Hemant's books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Jonathan Foster. Jonathan Foster is the award-winning author of the following books… • Where Was God on the Worst Day of My Life • Death, Hope, and the Laughter of God: An Unlikely Title About the Unlikely Path Where God Finds Us • Questions about Sexuality that Got Me Uninvited from My Denomination • The Hope and Melvin of Humanity and Other Surprising Short Stories There was something of a breakthrough with The Reconstructionist as it was his first book with less than ten words in the title. He's incredibly proud of what's happening at LQVE.org. When he's not with his family, he's reading Rene Girard or Open and Relational Theology. Or both. To find out more about what he's up to, make sure to sign up for the e-newsletter at his website, and when you do, you'll receive some more of his writing (a classic win-win). You can follow Jonathan Foster on: Facebook Twitter Connect with Jonathan on his Website You can purchase all of Jonathan's book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In This episode we chat with Eric Howell & Jason Elam. Eric is a husband a father of two, and audio wizard. He is the man behind the curtain of deconstruction podcast. Producing shows such as Heretic Happy Hour, The Messy Spirituality Podcast, The Reconstruction Podcast, and this very show - This Is Not Church. He hails from Arab, Alabama. He dislikes Brussel sprouts and legalism. This is Jason’s second time on our show. You can read his bio on episode #2. You can follow Eric on: Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Check him out on Podchasers You can connect with Jason on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Side note...when I find the link to Jason's wresting match on Youtube, I will add the link here. You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In This episode we chat with Bayo Akomolafe. Bayo Akomolafe is the grateful life-partner to ‘EJ’, father to Alethea Aanya and Kyah Jayden Abayomi, son of Olufunmilayo Ibidapo Akomolafe and Ignatius Abayomi Akomolafe, and descendant of Yoruba fields of archetypal becomings and mythopoeic landscapes. He is an author, celebrated speaker, teacher, and self-styled trans-public intellectual (a concept imagined together with and inspired by the shamanic priesthood of the Yoruba healer-trickster)- whose vocation goes beyond justice and speaking truth to power to opening up other spaces of power-with, and queering fond formulations and configurations of hope. Dr. Bayo Akomolafe considers his most sacred work to be learning how to be with his daughter and son, Alethea Aanya and Kyah Jayden – and their mother, his wife and “life-nectar”, Ijeoma. “To learn the importance of insignificance” is the way he frames a desire to reacquaint himself with a world that is irretrievably entangled, preposterously alive and completely partial. You can follow Bayo on: Facebook Twitter Check out Bayo's You can purchase Bayo's book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In This episode we chat with Josh Lawson. Josh Lawson lives with his family in Wheelersburg Ohio, where he serves his community in a variety of roles as recovery program coordinator for the Shawnee State University Kricker Innovation Hub. He works to connect people in recovery with entrepreneurial skills and services that will help them succeed in life. He also chairs the faith-based sub community of Scioto Connect the counties local opioid consortium where he consults with faith communities on how to support people who use drugs and those in recovery. As an author he recently published his first book The Face of Addiction which tells the story of 12 people in Southern Ohio who have been impacted by the opioid overdose crisis. In his follow up book Drugs and Jesus which is set to release in 2022 will be the first of its kind to present a call to action for people of faith to engage in the work of harm reduction. You can connect with Josh Lawson on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can purchase Josh's book at Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this Episode we chat with Jeff Chu. Here is Jeff's bio in his own words. I wear several different hats to cover my coarse Chinese hair, which requires too much product to tame: Writer, reporter, editor. Co-curator and co-host, with Sarah Bessey, Of Evolving Faith. Editor-at-large at Travel & Leisure. Occasional preacher. Teacher in residence at Crosspointe Church. Ordinand in the Reformed Church in America (RCA). Cook, gardener, and dog walker to Fozzie in Michigan, where my husband and I moved last year. (First time living in the Midwest. Snow tires are a revelation!) Before that, I was a seminarian at Princeton Theological Seminary, where I worked as a farmhand at PTS’s Farminary. Don’t be deceived… When I got to the Farminary, a 21-acre experiment in sustainable agriculture that doubles as the world’s best classroom, I didn’t know anything about farming, and I had more experience killing plants than nurturing them. But my work on the farm changed me. More than anything else in my life, that land taught me about the story of life, death, and new life that God has written into creation. You can connect with Jeff on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Jeff's website You can purchase Jeff's book at Amazon.com You can purchase Rachel Held Evan's book that Jeff helped finish at Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this Episode we chat with David Gungor. David is a musician, a pastor at Trinity Grace Tribeca, the Director of Partnerships for a peacemaking organization called Telos, and the CEO of Higher Love. David is also a producer and songwriter, and is in a band called The Brilliance. David is involved with Narrative $, a global organization headed up by some of the world's most renowned and influential authors, artists, and community leaders who have come together to promote empathy through the exchange of stories. You can follow Davids Band The Brilliance on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out all things David Gungor at his website Check out all things connected to The Brilliance at their website Check out Trinity Grace Tribeca at their website Check out Telos at their website Check out Narrative 4 at their website You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this Episode we chat with Peri Zahnd. Peri Zahn is the co-pastor of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph MO. Along with her husband Brian. They have committed their entire adult life to this calling and Word of life just celebrated 40 years. She was trained in spiritual direction by Benedictine Sisters and is completing a master’s in ministry now through St. Stephens University in New Brunswick Canada. Her passions are helping others to grow into Christ Likeness leading small groups and meeting individuals for pastoral care and spiritual direction. She is passionate about her kids and grandkids and the enneagram and about Christian pilgrimage. She and Brian have walked the Camino De Santiago in Spain three times and Peri Authored a memoir about their first experience called Every Scene By Heart. You can follow Peri on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Word of Life Church website You can purchase Peri's book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Brian Zahnd. Brian Zahnd is the founder and lead pastor of Word Of Life Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian and his wife, Peri, founded the church in 1981. Brian is also the author of several books, including, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewell To Mars, Beauty Will Save the World, Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness, and his latest book that will release on November 9th, When Everything Is On Fire: Faith Forged From The Ashes. You can follow Brian on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can catch up on all things Brian Zahnd on his website Check out Word of Life Church website All of Brian's books can be purchased from Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Todd Vick. Todd is a husband, father, grandfather, bestselling author, award-winning writer, podcaster, and conference speaker. His first book, The Renewing of Your Mind, debuted as #1 New Release and #1 Bestseller on Amazon. His next book, The Reconstructing of Your Mind, is available NOW. His podcast, The Reconstruction Rebel, is available wherever you stream your podcasts. For 30 years, Todd was a pastor in the Southern Baptist denomination. He left local church ministry in 2016 after a nervous breakdown fueled by severe anxiety, depression, addiction, and a crisis of belief which led to intense spiritual deconstruction for 3 years. During this time, he became fascinated with the role of the human brain in creating a belief system. You can follow Todd on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can catch up with all things Todd Vick at his website You can purchase his books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we get the honor to once again chat with Wm Paul Young. Wm Paul Young, is a Canadian author. He wrote the novels The Shack, Cross Roads, Eve , and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God. Paul also co-authored the recent release The Pastor: A Crisis With Brad Jersak. You can connect With Paul Young on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can order all of Paul's books on Amazon.com You can check out his website here. Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Niq Ruud. Niq's bio in his own words: The funky spelling is my dad’s fault, but it’s just pronounced like your favorite Christmas saint. I grew up in the good ole Pacific Northwest which means I like doing stuff outside—alpine climbing, sailing, surfing, skiing, cycling, et cetera. I studied religion in college (Walla Walla University), worked as a pastor while I went to seminary (Grand Canyon Theological Seminary), and now I’m a postgrad studying the intersectionality between philosophy, science, and religion (University of Edinburgh). I’m interested in lots of things, including religious pluralism, philosophy of science and religion, eschatology, diversity, and ethics, which all gravitate around the human perception of God. I wrote a book about God too, it’s called Only Love: How Everything Was, Is, and Will Be. It basically advocates for a more open-minded view of God and, subsequently, a more inclusive view of each other. I like it. You might too. You can follow Niq on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can catch up with all things Niq Ruud at his website Check out his TedTalk HERE Niq's book Only Love will be released soon by Quoir Publishing You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Jared Byas. Jared Byas is cohost of the popular podcast The Bible for Normal People and coauthor of the book Genesis for Normal People. Jared is the author of the book Love Matters More: How Fighting to Be Right Keeps Us from Loving Like Jesus He has served as a teaching pastor and a professor of philosophy and biblical studies. Jared’s passion is to explore new ways of being Christian, and helping people translate all of life’s big questions into a life full of meaning and connection. He lives outside of Philadelphia with his wife and four kids. You can follow Jared on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can catch up on all things Jared Byas at his website Jared's books are available on Amazon.com Check out The Bible for Normal People Podcast You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Alexander John Shaia. Born and raised in Birmingham, Alabama, Alexander John was part of a large extended family that had emigrated from Lebanon a generation previously. He grew up immersed in the ancient traditions of Middle Eastern Christianity (Maronite Catholicism) and was expected to become a priest, a family tradition since the year 1300. He was led otherwise. Alexander John attended the University of Notre Dame and received a degree in Cultural Anthropology. Next came a brief time in seminary followed by a Master’s in Counseling Education, a Master’s in Religious Education, a graduate certificate in Pastoral Psychotherapy, and a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology. His extensive psychological training across many modalities finally led him to Switzerland where he studied with the Jungian Analyst and founder of Sandplay Psychotherapy, Dora Maria Kalff. Alexander John became the first US man admitted to the International Society for Sandplay Therapy and continues to serve as a senior Certified Teaching Member of the organization. Returning to the United States, he undertook years of private practice, teaching, parish and retreat ministry and further study. Integrating his life-long practice of prayer with many cross-disciplines—anthropology, psychology, spirituality, and ritual work—has shaped him into a unique thought-leader and a widely sought consultant, trainer, and inspiring keynote speaker. Then in 2000, Alexander John’s professional life expanded from being primarily a speaker to also that of an author, now with some eight books and more in the works. He lives in the high Rocky Mountains in Northern New Mexico and the wild Atlantic coast of Northwest Spain. A perfect day finds him in the presence of ancient trees, massive stones, his dog and a book of poetry. You can Follow Alexander John Shaia on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out his website You can purchase his book on Amazon.com You can check out his partnership with Quoir Publishing here You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Beth Allison Barr Beth Allison Barr received her B.A. from Baylor University and her M.A. and Ph.D. in Medieval History from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Her research focuses on women and religion in medieval and early modern England, especially in how they are viewed and portrayed in sermon literature. How the advent of Protestantism affected women’s roles in the church has carried her research beyond medieval Catholicism into the world of early modern Baptists. You can follow Beth on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out her website & her page at Baylor University Beth's books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this bonus episode we catch up with Keith Giles and all his goings on. Keith is the author of several books, including: "Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible" and "Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Keith is the co-host of the Heretic Happy Hour Podcast. Keith also teaches several online courses including "Square 1: From Deconstruction to Reconstruction" and other courses based on his many books. You can connect With Keith Giles on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Patheos Check out the classes Keith offers on his website. All of Keith's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Wayne Jacobsen Wayne served as a pastor for twenty years and was also a contributing editor to Leadership Journal. As the director of Lifestream Ministries, he now travels the world helping people learn to live deeply in the life of Jesus and share it freely with others. He has written and worked with others on many books about spiritual intimacy and relational community, including He Loves Me, So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore, A Man Like No Other, and The Shack. You can find his writings at Lifestream.org and hear his podcast at TheGodJourney.com. He lives in Newbury Park, California with his wife of forty years and enjoys his children and grandchildren. You can follow Wayne on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out the Lifestream webpage. You can find quite a few good resources including Waynes Blog. Waynes book can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with PK Langley. PK Langley is married to her wife and best friend of 22 years, Ashley. They have a son and daughter in love and a lovely grandson. PK is an ordained pastor who spent 30 years in church ministry and as a senior pastor. She has travelled internationally, preaching and teaching conferences to crowds in the thousands. She is an author and is currently pursuing her licensure as a mental health clinician. PK is passionate about seeing people find their distinction in life. PK is also a healer and functions in gifts that help dislodge those things that prevent people from finding their true selves. You can follow PK on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can find PK's blog posts on Patheos You can Purchase PK's book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Brandon Andress. Brandon is the author of What Can’t Be Hidden- A Novel and bestselling Beauty in the Wreckage: Finding Peace in the Age of Outrage. As a freelance writer, he has contributed his work to Relevant Magazine, ReKnew, and Zondervan. Brandon lives in Columbus, Indiana and is a graduate of Hanover College in Psychology with an MBA from Indiana Wesleyan University. You can follow Brandon on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can purchase his book on his website You can also purchase his book at Amazon.com Check out all Quoir books on their website You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Jeff Turner. Jeff Turner is a husband and a father. Jeff is the author of two books – The Atheistic Theist and Saints In The Arms Of A Happy God. Jeff is also the host of the podcast - Religionless. You can follow Jeff on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can find links to Jeff's book, podcast, as well as other cool stuff on his LinkTree You can also find his book on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Desimber Rose. The author of the book - The Church Can Go To Hell Desimber Rose is an author, poet, spoken word artist, and former Pastor of The Restoration Center in Greenville, South Carolina and The Rock Worship Center in West Union, South Carolina. At every opportunity she is committed to reaching souls through love and truth, restoring lives through servant leadership, and equipping the Body of Christ for righteous living through the teaching of sound doctrine. Her approach to the Gospel is practical, realistic, and void of legalism and religious restriction. Her sole objective is to present the Savior to the world as she understands Him... to spread the Good News of God's Grace to the world through radical truth. There is a kind of testimony and witness that can only come from brokenness. There is a level of compassion that can only be expressed by those who need it most. Desimber Rose speaks for those who don't have the words... for those whose voices have been muted by failure, rejection, abuse, and trauma... for those familiar with the darkness and fluent in pain. You can connect with Desimber Rose on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can purchase her book - The Church Can Go To Hell on Amazon.com You can find some of her Spoken word on her Youtube channel. You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We had such a good time chatting with Kenneth Tanner, we kept the conversation going at the end of the regular episode. We decided to share this conversation with you all. Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. You can connect with Kenneth Tanner on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Check out the website for Church of the Holy Redeemer You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we continue our conversation with Douglas Campbell. Douglas was born in London but raised a New Zealander. He did his undergraduate degree in Political Philosophy at the University of Otago in New Zealand, and his graduate degrees in Religious Studies at the University of Toronto in Canada, where he was supported by a Commonwealth Scholarship. He wrote his thesis on Romans 3:21-26 under the direction of Richard Longenecker. His first academic post was in Religious Studies at his alma mater, the University of Otago (1989-96). After seven years he went to teach in Theology and Religious Studies at King's College London (1996-2003), and after another seven years was hired into his current teaching position at Duke Divinity School, where he is now a Professor of New Testament and directs the Prison Studies program. Since arriving at Duke in 2003 he has published four books on the apostle Paul, with a fifth, reasonably large, book due to arrive in the book shops in November 2019. Douglas has two adult children, and is a keen supporter of the arts, as his wife, Rachel, is a painter. He loves the warm weather of North Carolina, and currently lives in downtown Durham with two cats, a dog, and his wife's chickens. Despite qualms in terms of a Christian virtue ethic, he remains passionate about international politics and international rugby. You can connect with Douglas on: Facebook Twitter You can find all of Douglas Campbell's books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we have a conversation with Ellen Compton. I will let Ellen introduce herself. Allow me to introduce myself with a few miscellaneous thoughts: I am a family-prioritizing, coffee-drinking, truth-telling, authenticity-seeking, list-making, God-following, world-loving, ambiverted, former closet writer. The words laid back have never been used to describe me. I am an unabashed over-user of hashtags and emojis. The message written on my heart is one of identity; I am passionate about living authentically as the person I was created to be and helping others to do likewise…even in the midst of this gauntlet that is life. I live on the east coast of Canada with my family. My teenagers are occasionally mind-boggling, and entirely magnificent. In addition to writing, I teach French to High School students…and all remaining hours are, quite literally, spent in my vehicle, driving the teenagers to hockey practices, rehearsals, horseback riding, and to visit friends. It’s a full, imperfect and wonderful life. You can connect with Ellen on: Facebook Instgram Her new book Good Things Happen In The Dark can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we continue our conversation with Paul Bergmann. Paul Bergmann #thatguyonfacebook. Paul is a former UCLA Bruin football Rose Bowl champion, a former NFL player, and the former pastor of Ojai Valley Community Church. He lives in Ojai with his wife Kathy. Paul now spends his time helping the marginalized in his community and runs a Facebook group called 1communityOjai. A nonsectarian gathering to help each other become better versions of ourselves, and the world a better version of itself. You can connect with Paul Bergmann on: Facebook Instagram Check out his Facebook group You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Paul Bergmann. Paul Bergmann #thatguyonfacebook. Paul is a former UCLA Bruin football Rose Bowl champion, a former NFL player, and the former pastor of Ojai Valley Community Church. He lives in Ojai with his wife Kathy. Paul now spends his time helping the marginalized in his community and runs a Facebook group called 1communityOjai. A nonsectarian gathering to help each other become better versions of ourselves, and the world a better version of itself. You can connect with Paul Bergmann on: Facebook Instagram Check out his Facebook group You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with John Lynch John Lynch is a speaker, author, and former pastor. After 27 years as the teaching pastor at Open Door Fellowship in Phoenix, Arizona, John joined Trueface in 1997 and began speaking nationally and both authoring and coauthoring many resources such as The Cure and TrueFaced, and his own story in On My Worst Day. As an outlet for his love of writing and performing, John co-founded and was both a playwright and actor for Sharkey Productions, a theater troupe focused on Gospel-anchored theater productions for those still seeking Jesus. John and his wife Stacey have three grown children and a growing troupe of grandchildren. You can connect with John Lynch on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out his website for John Lynch Speaks You can purchase all of John's books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with C. Baxter Kruger. C. BAXTER KRUGER, Ph.D. is a Trinitarian scholar and the Director of Perichoresis Ministries, an international ministry proclaiming gospel of the Triune God. A life-long student of psychology, he has a degree in political science, and his Doctor of Philosophy from Kings College, Aberdeen, Scotland. He is the author of nine books including the international bestseller, The Shack Revisited, and recently Patmos. Baxter and his wife Beth have been married for 34 years and have four children, and one granddaughter. He teaches around the world. You can connect with Baxter on: Facebook Twitter Instagram The website for Perichoresis is here You can purchase all of Baxter's books on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with David Hayward - AKA The Naked Pastor. After 30 years in the church, David left the ministry to pursue his passion for art. David Hayward - AKA NakedPastor uses words and images to challenge the status quo, deconstruct dogma, and offer hope for those who struggle and suffer under it. David is no stranger to belief systems - he holds a Masters in Theological Studies, as well as Diplomas in Religious Studies and Ministry, and University Teaching. His art expresses the stories and struggles of spiritual refugees and independent thinkers who question, doubt or oppose the confines of religion. Each piece encourages difficult conversations and acts as a catalyst for critical thinking. David is an artist and writer who supports LGBTQ+ people and groups, BIPOC and women artists, creatives, journalists, and more, and encourage others to do the same. You can connect with David on: Facebook Twitter Instagram You can find and purchase all of David Hayward's Art and merch on his website David Hayward's books can be purchased on amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk with Kristin Du Mez. Kristin Kobes Du Mez is a New York Times bestselling author and Professor of History and Gender Studies at Calvin University. She holds a PhD from the University of Notre Dame and her research focuses on the intersection of gender, religion, and politics. She has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, Religion News Service, and Christianity Today, and has been interviewed on NPR, CBS, and the BBC, among other outlets. Her most recent book is Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation (which was just released in paperback). You can connect with Kristin on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Check out Kristin's website Kristin's books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Mark Karris. Mark Gregory Karris is a licensed marriage and family therapist, theologian, adjunct professor, ordained pastor, husband, writer, recording artist, and worship leader. He's a voracious reader, researcher and all around biophilic. He has received a master's degree in counseling through the Alliance Graduate School of Counseling in Nyack, N.Y., a master of divinity from Drew Theological School in N.J., and is currently working through his PsyD from Alliant International University in San Diego. You can connect with Mark on: Facebook Twitter Check out his website His books can be purchased on Amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Katy Valentine about metaphysics, reiki, and the cosmic Christ. We delve into questions relating to the god of mystery. Katy received her PhD in New Testament from the Graduate Theological Union and is an ordained minister in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). She is one of the co-hosts of the very popular podcast The Heretic Happy Hour. She is also the co-host of Magical Mystery Journeys podcast. She is the author of For You Were Bought With A Price: Sex, Slavery, and Self-Control in a Pauline Community You can connect with Katy on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Take a look at her website You can purchase her book at amazon.com You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Fr. Kenneth Tanner about finding a richer and more authentic connection to faith. Looking at the early church, and how it relates to us today. Seeing the humanity of Jesus. The human god...the suffering god. Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. You can connect with Kenneth Tanner on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Check out the website for Church of the Holy Redeemer You can connect with us on Facebook Instagram Twitter Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Felicia Murrell & Mercy Aiken about racism in America, the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, and the similarities and differences between these two issues that seem to divide our country. Felicia is an ordained pastor with River Fellowship and presently resides in Atlanta, Georgia with her husband, Doug. Together they have served in church leadership and ministerial roles for almost 20 years. Currently, they oversee Wise Counsel Ministries bringing transformation to both people and organizations. Felicia’s greatest joy is loving people. With a heart to equip and empower others, her passion is to bring others into a revelation of sonship where they learn to walk as Jesus walked through the experience of Father God continuously loving them. She and Doug have 4 adult children. You can connect with her on Facebook Instagram You can get a copy of her book on Amazon.com Mercy Aiken made Israel and Palestine lived intermittently in Bethlehem, Palestine, from September 2015 to the summer of 2020. Prior to this, she worked many years as a writer and leader in various web-based ministries and leadership in local churches. She is involved with Bethlehem Bible College and the biannual Christ at the Checkpoint conference held in Bethlehem which challenges evangelicals to consider the perspective and experience of Palestinian Christians. She is also committed to relationship and bridge-building work with Muslims and Jews. She is currently pursuing a Master’s Degree through St. Stephen's University and is the author of a soon-to-be-released book about Dr. Bishara Awad, the founder of Bethlehem Bible College, tentatively entitled "Fire in Bethlehem." You can connect with her on Facebook Instagram Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Matthew Distefano. The author of the recently released Bonfire Session: A Year of Shadow and Flame. Matthew J. Distefano is the author of multiple best-selling books, co-host of two podcasts, a long-time social worker, and hip-hop artist. He lives in Northern California with his wife and daughter. You can connect with Matthew on: Facebook Instagram Twitter You can find his blog on Patheos Check out his website All of Matthew's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Meg Calvin. The author of - I Am My Own Sanctuary: How A Recovering Holy-Roller Found Healing And Power. Meggie Lee Calvin (Meg) is an Amazon Bestselling Author, Wife, Mom, Speaker, Podcaster, and Coach who helps her fellow Spiritually-Attuned Go-Getters find confidence and certainty in who they were meant to be. You can connect with Meg on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Follow this link to her website Meg's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this bonus episode we talk chat with two of the authors of the recently released book - Before You Lose Your Mind. This book is a direct response to another book released by the Gospel Coalition the title of which I will not put here. This is a must read for anyone who has gone through or is going through deconstruction. Before You Lose Your Mind can be purchased in paperback or eBook at Amazon.com Here is the list of authors that contributed to this book with links to their pages. Please check out their books/writings as well. Brandon Andress Michelle Collins Derrick Day Matthew J. Distefano Brandon Dragan Jason Elam Maria Francesca French Keith Giles Mark Gregory Karris Matthew J Korpman Josh Roggie Rev. Dr. Katy Valentine Skeeter Wilson Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In This episode we chat with Keith Giles. The author of Jesus Unforsaken: Substituting Divine Wrath With Unrelenting Love. He is the author of several books, including: "Jesus Unbound: Liberating the Word of God from the Bible" and "Jesus Untangled: Crucifying Our Politics To Pledge Allegiance To The Lamb." Keith is the co-host of the Heretic Happy Hour Podcast. Keith also teaches several online courses including "Square 1: From Deconstruction to Reconstruction" and other courses based on his many books. You can connect With Keith Giles on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Patheos Check out the classes Keith offers on his website. All of Keith's books are available on Amazon.com Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we chat with Wm Paul Young and Brad Jersak about: The Pastor: A Crisis. We delve into questions about shame, fear, wrath, and how the grace of God can bring redemption and forgiveness. Even to the people we deem as irredeemable and unforgivable. This conversation will challenge you...in a good way. You can connect With Wm Paul Young on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Also, check out his website. You can connect with Brad Jersak on: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Also Check Out his website. You can purchase The Pastor A Crisis on Amazon.com Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by our producer The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Thomas Jay Oord. Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. Oord is a best-selling and award-winning author, having written or edited more than twenty-five books. He directs a doctoral program at Northwind Theological Seminary and the Center for Open and Relational Theology. A twelve-time Faculty Award-winning professor, Oord teaches at institutions around the globe. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, open and relational theology, science and religion, and the implications of freedom and relationships for transformation. You can connect With Thomas Jay Oord on: Facebook Twitter Instagram Also, check out his website. You can purchase Thomas Jay Oord's book God Can't on Amazon.com Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this week’s episode we chat with our good friend Kyle Butler. Kyle is a former pastor who has left the church to pursue a closer and more intimate connection to the divine. Kyle speaks on our connection to the divine through unconditional love. Kyle is a co-host of The Graceline. He can be found speaking the truths of our divine nature on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. You can connect with Kyle Butler on Facebook Instagram YouTube Or Connect with him through his website. Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Michelle Collins Michelle Collins a wife, and mother to 4 grown children. She served in the US Marine Corps. Is currently pursuing a doctorate in psychology as well as additional degrees in biblical studies and Christian counseling. An introvert dedicated to both fitness of body and mind. Michelle possesses the rare ability to participate in a discussion and see both sides without disparaging those of whom she might disagree. She is currently writing a book on the grief cycle applied to religious deconstruction. You can connect with Michelle Collins on: Facebook, Instagram (if you want to follow her body building) Michelle is also the co-host of Mental Podcast We will link to her new book as soon as it is available to purchase. Keep an eye out for it. The title of the book is Into The Grey Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts Each episode of This Is Not Church Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric! If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Voiceover clip in intro used with permission by C. Baxter Kruger Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Karl Forehand Karl J. Forehand was a bi-vocational pastor for 20 years and has training in spiritual leadership coaching, plant-based nutrition, and spiritual direction. He lives in Missouri with his wife Laura and dog Winston. He has three grown children and two grandchildren. You can connect with Karl Forehand on: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Patheos, and his Website You can find Karl's books on Amazon Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode we talk to Brad Jersak Brad is the dean of theology and culture at St Stephen's University in Canada. He is the author of 20 books including Her Gates Will Never Be Shut, A More Christlike God, A More Christlike Way, and The Pastor: A Crisis co-written with Paul Young. You can connect with Brad Jersak on: Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Please follow us on the following social media platforms Facebook Twitter Instagram YouTube Want to help us with our future episodes of This Is Not Church Podcast? Join us on Patreon where you will get access to exclusive patron content such as early access to episode, videos of upcoming episodes, and live Q&A sessions. Also check out our website for upcoming interviews and blog posts If you enjoy our show, could you take a moment to rate and review the podcast on your platform of choice. This will help new listeners find us. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.