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Sex, gender queerness, and the power of connection … Dr. Emily Nagoski joins co-host Sue Marriott for a deep and insightful conversation about desire, pleasure, and the impact of societal norms on sexuality. Together they explore the evolving landscape of trans rights and healthcare, emphasizing patient-centered care and the urgent need for societal support. Through her journey as a sex educator, Nagoski advocates for deeper understanding and connection, while also sharing practical approaches to educating young people about gender and sexuality, managing stress, and finding meaning and purpose in life. “Talking about sex is my absolute favorite thing.” – Dr. Emily Nagoski Time Stamps for Pleasurable Sex, Gender & Boundaries (259) 01:02 The intersection of sex, boundaries, and burnout 08:04 The importance of pleasure over desire 11:48 Creating a safe and supportive context for pleasure 20:07 Challenging the gender binary 31:50 The evolution of trans rights and healthcare 37:40 Tactical approaches to gender education About our Guest – Dr. Emily Nagoski Emily Nagoski is the award-winning author of the New York Times bestselling Come As You Are and Come Together, as well as The Come As You Are Workbook, and coauthor, with her sister, Amelia, of New York Times bestseller Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle. She earned an M.S. in counseling and a Ph.D. in health behavior, both from Indiana University, with clinical and research training at the Kinsey Institute. Now she combines sex education and stress education to teach women to live with confidence and joy inside their bodies. She lives in Massachusetts with two dogs, a cat, and a cartoonist. Resources for Pleasurable Sex, Gender & Boundaries Click here to access her newsletter EmilyNagoski.com – Website, resources and other important information @ENagoski – Instagram profile Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle – Book by Dr. Emily Nagoski & Amelia Nagoski Feminist Survival Project – Her current podcast with co-host Amelia Nagoski Come As You Are – (Limited Series, 2022) – Podcast   Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Interested in joining our exclusive community? Get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus a totally ad-free private feed. In addition, receive exclusive episodes recorded just for you. Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!! Find Upcoming Events here Featured event: Ann and Sue are deep diving into clinical application of their work at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025. It’s an incredible conference – they’d love to see you there! Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Please support our sponsors for this episode – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! Want to stay hydrated and feel your best? Cure is offering 20% off your first order! Visit curehydration.com/TU and using promo code TU at checkout. Coffee alternative powered by mushrooms! Right now, you can get 20% off plus a FREE starter kit when you shop exclusively Piquelife.com/tu Choose the right doctor for your needs – compare high quality, in-network options, and click to instantly book an appointment. Go to ZocDoc.com/TU Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended course experience for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. Use our link for a discount! Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Exploring Disorganized / Unresolved Attachment with Dr. Krista Jordan This is a sneak peek of our episode with Dr. Krista Jordan – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! Dr. Krista Jordan & co-host Sue Marriott LCSW CGP dive into the messy, fascinating world of the 4th attachment category – disorganized attachment. Through intimate personal stories, they describe how it shows up in therapy, relationships, and everyday life. They explore the Adult Attachment Projective (AAP) and Adult Attachment Interview (AAI), unpacking what is sometimes called disorganized, unresolved, dysregulated, dissociated attachment that can ripple through generations. Learn how dismissive strategies work so well they can stop us from growing, why feedback (and a little distress) is crucial for self-awareness, and how shame and anger are often two sides of the same coin. Time Stamps 06:05 Personal experiences with attachment styles and finding our she was “disorganized” 11:59 Exploring dismissive and disorganized strategies 17:58 Therapeutic approaches to unresolved trauma and inner child work 27:08 Dissociation and adaptive strategies in attachment 35:31 The spectrum of unresolved attachment styles 43:09 Shame and anger: A complex relationship 52:42 PACT Therapy: Addressing disorganization in couples About our Guest – Dr. Krista Jordan Dr. Krista Jordan, expert on Disorganized Attachment Dr. Jordan received her PhD in Clinical Psychology from UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas in 1996. Her training included children and adults and focused on psychodynamic theory in treatment. She went on to establish a private practice in Austin, Texas in 1998 and has been treating clients through individual and couples therapy for the past 26 years. Dr. Jordan trained with Dr. Stan Tatkin, the originator of the Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy from 2008 until 2022 and is a Certified PACT therapist. Dr. Jordan was also appointed to the Research Faculty at the PACT Institute in 2023 and is the Principle Investigator of the first outcome study being conducted on PACT. She is passionate about treating individuals and couples from an attachment and interpersonal neurobiology approach as well as contributing to research in the field. Throughout her career she has applied these interests in a variety of contexts, including training post-doctoral residents (25 to date!), designing and running outcomes studies for various treatment programs and teaching both high school, undergraduate and graduate students. In 2024 Dr. Jordan became certified to administer the Adult Attachment Projective and continues to train with Dr. Carol George. In her free time Dr. Jordan enjoys hanging out with her husband Russell (of 26 years!) and their two children. She also volunteers with the Blanton Museum and acts as a foster dog mom for Austin Pets Alive. Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Find Upcoming Events here Featured event: Ann and Sue are deep diving into clinical application of their work at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025. It’s an incredible conference – they’d love to see you there! Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

Liberation isn’t fixed … it’s fluid We’re kicking off February with a powerful conversation with the incredible Pam Benson Owens. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore what it means to live with purpose, navigate systemic challenges, and find liberation in everyday choices. Pam shares her wisdom on the role of self-care in activism, the courage it takes to engage in difficult conversations, and how fear shows up in DEI work. This episode dives deep into the intersection of personal and organizational growth, touching on themes of vulnerability, belonging, and the evolving landscape of diversity and identity. Sue and Pam also tackle honest conversations about race and privilege, the “messy middle” of personal transformation, and why pacing yourself is essential for long-term impact. “Liberation is a lot of things… sometimes it is my ability not to raise my voice in anger, some days liberation is saying no. Sometimes liberation is the freedom to realize that I don’t always have to make it my mission to have a deep opinion about something. I have really enjoyed that the idea that liberation isn’t fixed, it’s fluid…” – Pam Benson Owens Time Stamps for The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257) 10:03 Engaging with difficult conversations 14:57 The importance of self-care in activism 25:12 The role of fear in DEI work 39:44 Balancing vigilance and connection 50:01 Embracing the messy middle of growth 56:22 Next steps: Pacing and purpose About our Guest – Pamela Benson Owens Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and retired from the CEO of Six Square in September of 2024. For more years than she cares to admit to, Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. She is an advocate and ambassador for healthy organizational cultures and communities. Pam often leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. She serves the community in a variety of capacities with the intentional motive of building a stronger and more equitable community. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture. She is a proud Texas A&M Aggie where she earned a degree in Journalism and a certification in Diversity Education and completed her graduate work at St. Edwards University with a master’s in Human Services with a concentration in Conflict Resolution/Mediation. Pam has also completed coursework at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary, holds a certification in DEI from Cornell, is Hogan and Daring Leadership certified, is a self-professed book nerd and lifelong learner, has a new book called The Lessons of Lists, has an online coffee business with all four members of her family called 4TheCultureCoffee, that directs a percentage of the proceeds back to BIPOC nonprofit organizations in the Central Texas region, and you can hear her weekly on her Podcast, Rooted. She resides in Austin with her spouse, Arlyn, and two exceptionally amazing kids, Preston, and Allyson. Resources for The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257) PamelaBensonOwens.com – Website, information & resources The Lessons of Lists – book by Pam Benson Owens Pamela Benson Owens: Aligning with Influence – ATX Woman article Find her on Instagram – @pamelabensonowens @edgeofyourseatconsulting & @4theculturecoffee Get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus a totally ad-free private feed. In addition, recieve exclusive episodes recorded just for you and have input in topics you would like to learn more about. Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Find Upcoming Events here Featured event: Ann and Sue are deep diving into clinical application of their work at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025. It’s an incredible conference – they’d love to see you there! Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Please support our sponsors for this episode – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! Coffee alternative powered by m

Just released! “The Way of Play” – Book by Dr. Georgie Wisen-Vincent & Dr. Tina Payne Bryson, we recommend you get your copy today!   Could the key to raising resilient, connected kids be as simple as play? Co-host Sue Marriott, with special guests, Tina Payne Bryson and Georgie Wisen-Vincent, discuss the relational neuroscience behind the powerful role of play in child development and its therapeutic benefits. Play fosters emotional resilience, strengthens parent-child attachment, and supports positive neuroplasticity. They bring in positive neuroplasticity, emotional discomfort and tons of very practical techniques. Learn how embracing play can nurture emotional growth and empower both children and parents in meaningful ways. “The oldest evolutionary pathways in the brain are nonverbal. Your actions always speak louder than words when it comes to your child’s mind.” – George Wisen-Vincent Time Stamps for Playful Parenting: Building Resilience, Connection, and Joy Through Play (256) 03:08 The role of play in child development 08:57 Understanding resistance to play 14:50 The science behind play and attachment 21:12 Overcoming barriers to play 24:07 Practical techniques for parents 39:40 The importance of emotional discomfort 41:35 Over-functioning vs. scaffolding 58:31 Positive neuroplasticity through play About our Guests Georgie Wisen-Vincent, LMFT, RPT-S, ECMHS is a nationally recognized play therapy expert and co-author of the new book — THE WAY OF PLAY (Penguin Random House, January 2025). She is the Founder/Director of The Play Strong Institute, a center devoted to the study, research, and practice of play therapy through a neurodevelopment lens, along with Dr. Bryson, the Founder/Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary clinical practice in Southern California. Georgie is also a child, adolescent, and family psychotherapist and maintains a private practice at The Center for Connection. A graduate professor at Santa Clara University and active researcher in childhood play, attachment science, and mental health, Georgie has been commissioned as a consultant, program designer, and lead trainer for several major organizations and frequently presents to educators, parents, and clinical professionals on play therapy, trauma resilience, and the power of play-driven learning. She completed advanced study in play therapy at the University of Roehampton, London. Georgie gained specialist endorsement in early childhood mental health after completing the UC Davis Napa Infant Mental Health Fellowship. She is currently in the final phase of her doctoral program, a PhD in Infant and Early Child Development, focused on neurodiversity and parent-child attachment relationships. Click here to view her more detailed bio. You may already know Dr. Tina Payne Bryson from her two New York Times Best Sellers The Whole-Brain Child and No-Drama Discipline. They’re both co-authored with Dan Siegel and have been translated into over fifty languages. She and Siegel also wrote The Yes Brain and The Power of Showing Up, and Dr. Bryson is the author of The Bottom Line for Baby. Her new book, co-authored with Georgie Wisen-Vincent, is The Way of Play. Her books have sold over 3 million copies combined. Tina is also the Founder and Executive Director of The Center for Connection, a multidisciplinary mental health practice in Southern California. She keynotes conferences and conducts workshops for parents, educators, and clinicians all over the world. She also consults with schools, businesses, and other organizations, including the Nike Sport Research Lab (NSRL), where she is Project Director for Mental and Emotional Performance. Dr. Bryson earned her Ph.D. from the University of Southern California, where her research explored attachment science, childrearing theory, and the emerging field of interpersonal neurobiology. The most important part of her bio, she says, is that she’s a mom to her three boys. You can learn more about her at TinaBryson.com. Resources for Playful Parenting: Building Resilience, Connection, and Joy Through Play (256) PlayStrongInstitute.com – Official website for information and resources Center for Connection – Official website for information and resources Pre-Order the bonus page for their book – Click here! Tina’s Amazon shop page – Click here for books, resources and other tools Click to access Tina Payne Bryson’s Social Channels – Facebook, Instagram, Youtube & Twitter Georgie’s Instagram handle – @georgiewisenvincent TinaBryson.com – Website for information and resources Click here to subscribe to Tina Payne Bryson’s newsletter How to contact Tina – Email [email protected] How to contact Georgie – Email [email protected] Get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus a totally ad-free private feed. In additio

Hello 2025! Join Matthias Barker in kicking off the year exploring family estrangement, AI in therapy & much more… In this episode, hosts Ann and Sue sit down with renowned psychotherapist Matthias Barker, who has built a transformative mental health platform regularly impacting over 11 million souls who learn and consume quality mental health information. The conversation weaves through several important themes: the delicate balance of delivering mental health guidance through social media, the complex terrain of parent-child estrangement in modern families, and the lasting impact of religious trauma. The discussion evolves into an exploration of spirituality in the digital age, including thought-provoking perspectives on artificial intelligence’s role in shaping human consciousness and connection. This nuanced conversation bridges practical psychological insights with broader questions about human connection in an evolving technological landscape. “We inherit more than genetics from our families—we inherit patterns, beliefs, and ways of relating. Healing means choosing which ones to keep and which ones to let go of.” – Matthias Barker Time Stamps for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255) 05:54 Generational perspectives on estrangement 12:10 Understanding emotional dynamics in families 18:12 Spiritual harm and its impact 34:55 The intersection of technology and mental health 45:08 Exploring ethical dilemmas of AI in therapy About our Guest – Matthias Barker Matthias is a psychotherapist recognized for his expertise in making complex mental health concepts accessible, with a special focus on parent-child estrangement. He is the CEO of the Trauma Institute which provides clinical training for psychotherapists and education for the general public on healing from trauma. Matthias is widely recognized for his unique approach to making mental health knowledge and skills accessible to the wider public. His ability to translate complex topics into relatable everyday language has empowered millions to heal from their past, repair relationships, and take control of their mental well-being. Through platforms like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and his top-ranking Spotify podcast, Matthias delivers psychoeducational content to a following of over 4 million people. His innovative blend of engaging content and relevant mental health advice has fostered a vibrant online community centered on healing, personal growth, and moving towards what’s meaningful despite hardship. Aside from his online presence, Matthias is an accomplished author and educator. He has self-published several short books and interactive mental health journals, offering a distinctive trauma-informed approach to topics like grief, motivation, burnout, and gratitude. In addition, he has built a diverse library of interactive general public workshops on themes such as anxiety, relational intimacy, and healing from trauma, further establishing his commitment to sharing knowledge and resources for both clinicians and the general public. Resources for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255) Estrangement.com – Sign up here for The Healing Estrangement MatthiasJBarker.com – Matthias’ website, with resources and other information Get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus a totally ad-free private feed. In addition, recieve exclusive episodes recorded just for you and have input in topics you would like to learn more about. Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Find Upcoming Events here Featured event: Ann and Sue are deep diving into clinical application of their work at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025. It’s an incredible conference – they’d love to see you there! Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Please support our sponsors for this episode – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! Coffee alternative powered by mushrooms! Listeners get 20% off plus a free starter kit. Piquelife.com/tu Ancient Nutrition is offering 25% off your first order when you go to AncientNutrition.com/TU Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. Use our link for a discount! Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Farewell 2024, Welcome 2025… As we close out another year, Ann and Sue take time to reflect on 2024 while sharing some exciting opportunities for the year ahead. The Vitality Series is an exciting new endeavor, where they emphasize creating safe spaces for dialogue, navigating tough emotions, and bringing therapeutic concepts into everyday life. With an honest look at shame, vulnerability, and the challenges of personal growth, they explore how connection can empower both individuals and communities. Along the way, they celebrate the milestones of their podcast, emphasize the importance of self-reflection, and highlight the role of supportive networks in fostering meaningful change. “Year’s end is neither an end nor a beginning but a going on, with all the wisdom that experience can instill in us.” — Hal Borland Time Stamps for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254) 00:00 Exciting announcements for 2025 08:00 Reflecting on the past year 32:00 Bridging therapy and everyday life 46:40 The power in mobilizing for change Resources for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254) Brewing Vitality Series, Ann & Sue’s NEW Course – Click here to learn more and reserve your spot!! Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025 Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Sign up here! Get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus a totally ad-free private feed. In addition, recieve exclusive episodes recorded just for you and have input in topics you would like to learn more about. Sign up for our premium Neuronerd plan!! Click here!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Find Upcoming Events here Featured event: Ann and Sue are deep diving into clinical application of their work at the Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025. It’s an incredible conference – they’d love to see you there! Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

Explore eco-village living, tantra, and death Lee Warren shares her experience of living in an intentional community and how it opened the door to exploring tantra and the sacredness of death. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore tantra as a way to connect with the divine within ourselves and others, using tools like breath, sound, and movement to navigate the energy in our bodies. They also discuss death as a sacred process and the importance of preparing for it—both practically and spiritually. Learn how tantra and death preparation share a common goal: helping us embrace the impermanence of life and find joy in the present moment. “The deep practice of tantra helps consciously engage with the inevitability of death.” – Lee Warren Time Stamps 00:00 Exploring Eco-Village Living and Intentional Community 08:23 The Mysteries of Tantra: Cultivating pleasure and sensuality 16:36 Embracing the sacredness of death 21:10 Preparing for death: A journey of self-discovery 31:32 Having hard conversations with family 38:57 Exploring the mystical with psychedelics About Our Guest – Lee Warren, Death & Tantra Educator Lee Warren, founder of Reclaiming Wisdom, helps people embrace life more fully by preparing for death. She sees life and death as inseparable partners, guiding individuals to transform fear into acceptance and empowerment through heartfelt conversations, mindfulness practices, rituals, and personalized care plans. As a mystic, Lee views death as a sacred portal for the soul, and as an embodiment practitioner, she supports the emotional and practical realities of the dying process. Lee believes that contemplating mortality deepens our connection to life, fostering awe, wonder, and a profound sense of purpose. Lee’s mission is to help others achieve clarity and peace about end-of-life wishes while embracing the sacredness of existence and the mystery of the human journey. Resources for Embracing the Sacredness of Death ReclaimingWisdom.com – Lee Warren’s website & course information “Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word with Trump about His Mother” – NYTimes Article “The Doctor Who Helped Me Understand My Mom’s Choice to Die” – NYTime Article And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025 Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Learn More & Register Here Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Our Sponsors for this Episode – Our favorite skin quencher. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code TU at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod   Coffee alternative powered by mushrooms! Listeners get 20% off plus a free starter kit. Piquelife.com/tu Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Transform conflict into connection with ACT Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life’s challenges and nurture healthy relationships. “We don’t battle thoughts. We don’t challenge thoughts. We just let thoughts go, and we can act independently from our thoughts.” – Dr. Diana Hill Time Stamps for ACT 1:06 – What is ACT? 8:52 – Introduction to cognitive diffusion 10:45 – Exploring the transcendent self and family body analogy of ACT 12:09 – The six processes of ACT 20:54 – Utilizing Diana’s daily journal book method 26:53 – Navigating experiential avoidance 33:57 – Moving through acceptance 50:52 – How to learn more about the ACT principles About our Guest – Dr. Diana Hill Diana Hill, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, and co-author of ACT Daily Commitment Therapy Journal: Get unstuck and live full with Acceptance. She is also a co-host of the popular podcast, Psychologists Off the Clock which has over 1 million downloads, where she has interviewed leaders in the field of psychology, mindfulness, and wellness including Dr. Daniel Goleman, Dr. Rich Hanson, The Psychology of Radical Healing Collective, Dr. Daniel Siegel, and Dr. David Sinclair. She is a regular teacher for the Mindful Hearts Program and Insight LA. Through her online teachings, executive coaching, clinical supervision, and private therapy practice Diana encourages clients to build psychological flexibility so that they can live more meaningful and fulfilling lives. Resources for ACT Dr. Diana Hill – Website & resources ACT Daily Journal & Card Deck – Dr. Hill’s daily journal book Psychologists Off the Clock – Dr. Diana Hill’s podcast The Power of Regret by Daniel Pink – Referenced by Diana Hill when discussing values And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Our Sponsors for this Episode – Go to ZocDoc.com/TU Compare high quality, in-network doctors, choose the right one for your needs, and click to instantly book an appointment. Become the best version of yourself and get 15% off Ned products with code TU.   Our favorite skin quencher. Get 15% off OneSkin with the code TU at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Let’s talk about all things AEDP Sue Marriott and Diana Fosha explore the key principles of Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) and its transformative impact on the field. AEDP begins with the premise of “healing from the get-go,” and fostering change from the first session. It emphasizes “undoing aloneness” by building a supportive therapeutic relationship, while encouraging clients to engage deeply with emotions. Join us as we highlight techniques like metatherapeutic processing, where clients reflect on their healing experience, and integrating neuroscience into clinical practice. “The basic quality of emergent experience is a surrender to the experience of flow, of being in the zone.” – Dr. Diana Fosha Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more Time Stamps for AEDP 02:55 The importance of healing from the get-go 06:06 Understanding “Undoing aloneness” 28:34 Dropping down into the body and connecting with emotions 33:28 Explanation and application of Metatherapeutic processing 35:28 Creating a safe and transformative relationship with clients 51:20 The societal impact of AEDP About our Guest – Dr. Diana Fosha Diana Fosha PhD is the developer of AEDPTM, a healing-oriented, radically relational experiential psychotherapy to transform trauma, heal attachment wounds and help people connect to their vitality. She is Founder and Director of the AEDP Institute. Her “heightened sensitivity to the promises of life” recognized, she has been also described as having “an extraordinary gift for hope.” For the last 20 years, Diana has been active in promoting a scientific basis for a healing-oriented, attachment-emotion- and transformation-focused trauma treatment model. Fosha’s work focuses on integrating neuroplasticity, recognition science and developmental dyadic research into experiential and transformational clinical work with patients. Her most recent work, Undoing aloneness and the transformation of suffering into flourishing: AEDP 2.0, (APA, 2021), focuses on flourishing as a seamless part of the process of transforming emotional suffering. She is the author of The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change (Basic Books, 2000); co-author, with Natasha Prenn, of Supervision essentials for Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (APA, 2016); 1st editor, with Daniel Siegel and Marion Solomon, of The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development & clinical practice (Norton, 2009), and editor of the soon to be released AEDP 2.0: Four DVDs of her live AEDP clinical work, including one documenting a complete 6-session treatment, and one on clinical supervision have been issued by the American Psychological Association (APA). Described by psychoanalyst James Grotstein as a “prizefighter of intimacy,” and by David Malan as “the Winnicott of [accelerated experiential] psychotherapy,” Diana Fosha’s writing style is powerful and precise, yet poetic and evocative. Her phrases —“undoing aloneness,” “existing in the heart and mind of the other,” “rigor without shame” and “True Other” — capture the ethos of AEDP. Resources for AEDP www.aedpinstitute.org – View some of Dr. Fosha’s papers here Metatherapeutic Processing Supports the Emergence of Flourishing in Psychotherapy – by Dr. Diana Fosha How to be a Transformational Therapist – by Dr. Diana Fosha Speculations on Emergence: Working the Edge of Transformational Experience and Neuroplasticity – by Dr. Diana Fosha Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (& then some!) – by Dr. Diana Fosha Click here to learn more!!           And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025 Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice Learn More & Register Here Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Our Sponsors for this Episode &

Many are baffled by the so strong feelings around the 2024 election results – let us help you get it. Families are dividing, couples are blowing up and neighbors are being cut off. When you are close to someone who didn’t vote with you this year, you are likley in some distress. The shock and pain for some groups after the election and the corresponding lack of understanding is a recipe for dysregulation. We explore the complexities of political identity, emotional responses, and the impact of political discourse on all of our personal relationships in the wake of a divisive presidential election. Ann and Sue, alongside Michael Hilgers, LPC, emphasize the need for deeper conversations that transcend binary thinking and the significance of co-regulation in healing and fostering unity amidst division. They explore the challenges of navigating relationships where political views differ, emphasizing the value of patience, compassion, and open curiosity to foster understanding. The conversation touches on the risks of lasting family divides and underscores the importance of creating safe, respectful spaces for meaningful conversations. Ultimately, it encourages empathy and small, thoughtful steps toward more compassionate communication. “We all play a role in this democracy. We need to remember the power of every vote. I continue, too, to keep myself connected to a force that’s larger and more potent than any one election, or leader, or news story—and that’s optimism. For me, this is a form of faith, an antidote to fear.” – Michelle Obama Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more Time Stamps for Aftermath of the Election 00:00 Navigating identity 02:52 The aftermath of the 2024 Presidential election based on gender 06:09 Understanding huge emotional responses for those who care 08:56 The difficulty of empathy and connection when stakes are high 15:01 Co-regulation 17:54 The role of historical trauma in reactions to current events 20:56 Is common ground possible? 25:32 Betrayal 27:09 Listening and holding space rather than fixing it 29:31 Patience in difficult conversations 30:35 Political divides in relationships 32:00 The risk of permanent divisions 39:18 Concrete steps for compassionate communication 42:08 Addressing name-calling and intentional humiliation About our Guest – Michael Hilgers, LPC Michael Hilgers, LPC is a licensed Professional Counselor who maintains an online Counseling Practice specializing in work with Creatives and Entrepreneurs. After almost 25 years in Austin, Tx, he moved to the mountains of Northern New Mexico where he works with clients from around the globe.     Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th – IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here!   And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

The election tension can be divisive – but we don’t have to be The political events in the United States have been a major contributor to our anxieties these past years, and with our significant presidential election looming over us this week – Ann and Sue are here to talk about the hard things. While the world feels unpredictable on the outside, one thing we can do is focus on the intricate relationship between our nervous systems and the emotional responses triggered by political events. They discuss how fear and anxiety are often manipulated through political rhetoric, leading to division and polarization, the importance of understanding how personal relationships amidst these tensions are emphasized, and the need for secure relating and accountability from leaders. There is power in recognizing the complexity of political opinions and the necessity of maintaining open dialogue to foster connection rather than division. Join us as we explore how to navigate differences, the importance of empathy and community, and the need for resilience during uncertain times. “We are resilient beings and we will get through this.” Time Stamps for Secure Relating & the Election 00:00 Understanding the Nervous System’s Role in Fear 03:00 The Impact of Political Rhetoric on Our Emotions 05:56 Navigating Personal Relationships Amidst Political Divisions 09:06 The Complexity of Political Opinions 11:57 The Importance of Secure Relating in Divided Times 14:52 Holding Leaders Accountable in a Polarized Environment 25:49 The Importance of Secure Relating 30:02 Navigating Division and Conflict 36:32 Finding Resilience in Uncertain Times 41:20 Empathy and Community in Crisis 46:36 Promoting Secure Relating for a Better Future Resources for Secure Relating & the Election A Started Guide for Surviving Election Season” – Important reminders from Oh Happy Dani, the Everyday Advocate Vote.org – Nonpartisan tool for voting logistics and information “8 Questions that can help you survive election stress” – Helpful resource from UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Magazine Somatic Techniques for Stress & Anxiety – Somatic practices from Brooklyn Somatic Therapy Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th – IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here!   And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Support this library of content at TU staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode – Go to ZocDoc.com/TU Compare high quality, in-network doctors, choose the right one for your needs, and click to instantly book an appointment.     Become the best version of yourself and get 15% off Ned products with code TU. Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Our first ever LIVE podcast recording Alongside Pam Benson Owens, Ann and Sue explore a variety of topics with a live audience at the KUYA Wellness center in Austin, TX. Referencing their book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World, they delve into the neuroscience behind relationships, discussing attachment styles and emotional regulation, and emphasize the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue. They highlight the significance of understanding generational trauma and the complexities of navigating relationships in a diverse society. Through personal stories and insightful discussions, they shine a light on the power of self-awareness, encouraging listeners to explore their own emotional landscapes with compassion and curiosity. Learn how creating safe spaces for open dialogue can deepen connections, while understanding the role of pauses and curiosity in everyday conversations. “The power of the pause is essential.” – Pam Benson Owens Time Stamps for KUYA 07:05 Understanding Neuroscience in Relationships 20:28 Navigating Emotional States and Attachment 30:00 Creating Safe Spaces in Conversations 34:51 Navigating Activation and Agency 39:41 The Role of Shame in Learning 44:14 The Power of the Pause and Curiosity 49:36 Strategic Communication in Relationships 54:43 Repression vs. Calibration of Emotions 01:00:17 Cultural Norms and DEI Conversations 01:03:05 Boundaries in Relationships 01:05:20 Generational Trauma and Cultural Clashes About our Guest – Pam Benson Owens, President & CEO Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and is also serving as the CEO of Six Square. For 25+ years Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. Pam leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture. Resources for KUYA Click here to view Pam’s website – Edge of Your Seat Consulting KUYA – Mental Health & Wellness Center in Austin, TX & host of our recording Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the forefront of evidence-based care. Click here to register!!   Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th – IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here!   And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Support this library of content at TU staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode – Our favorite skin quencher. Use the code TU when you checkout at oneskin.co   Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in adults James Ochoa and co-host Sue Marriott explore the different subtypes of ADHD, and the impact on adults who are navigating a diagnosis later in life. As an ADHD expert, Ochoa shares insights on the emotional and mental stress that accompanies ADHD, as well as provides different techniques for managing symptoms. With an emphasis on the importance of self-care, communication, and personalized strategies, he provides resources and training for adults with ADHD, professionals who work with ADHD clients, and family members of individuals with ADHD. “…It feels like their attachment to themselves has always seemed off, and when they receive an accurate diagnosis then suddenly there’s these lights that turn on…” – James Ochoa Time Stamps for New Frontiers of Adult ADHD 02:05 Stumbling Upon an Adult ADHD Diagnosis 04:40 Understanding the Subtypes of ADHD 08:06 Resourcing and Self-Care for ADHD 10:04 Managing ADHD Symptoms: Breathing Exercises and Micro-Meditations 15:32 Interrupting Over-activation and Panic in ADHD 26:55 Managing ADHD: Strategies and Self-Care 31:17 Supporting Loved Ones with ADHD 35:37 Educating Professionals on ADHD 43:49 Resources and Training for ADHD About our Guest – James Ochoa For over thirty years, James Ochoa, LPC, has combined counseling, coaching, mentoring, and intuition to help adults with ADHD overcome challenges, pursue passions, and live meaningful lives. Most of his clients seek help beyond ADHD organization and time-management strategies. As valuable as those skills can be, James’ key concepts involve working with his clients’ imagination, life history and inner resources. His insight-and-action-based counseling style has helped clients from all walks of life, including executives, indie film producers, college students, religious leaders and beyond. He welcomes individuals, couples, and family members, whether from Austin, Texas, or points beyond. James is also working on his second book, When the Shiny Wears Off, Navigating the Lifetime Storms of Adult ADHD, which focuses on how to handle the chronic stress of ADHD that never completely stops wreaking havoc. The book will offer ample strategies to help mitigate the impact this disruption has on relationships, career, self-care, and mental health. Resources for New Frontiers of Adult ADHD Living Well With ADHD – 10/19 live, in-person training in Austin, TX – This is a great resource for ADHD awareness month that is happening the entire month of October! (Use code TU30OFF for 30% off) JamesOchoa.com – James’s Website Focused Forward – James’s Book ADHD Town Hall – Webinar Series Storm Team – 12 -Topic ADHD series Professional Trailblazing – Training for Professionals Focused Forward – James Ochoa’s Book – Get your copy here!! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Mind, Body, Social, & Spiritual Approaches for Healing Attachment: 30 World-Leading Pioneers Share Their Best Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the forefront of evidence-based care. Click here to register!! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Support this library of content at TU staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode – Go to ZocDoc.com/TU Compare high quality, in-network doctors, choose the right one for your needs, and click to instantly book an appointment.     Become the best version of yourself and get 15% off Ned products with code TU. Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us!

Exploring the science behind the complex acronyms Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley discuss Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTs) with experts Margaret Martin and Dr. Deb Pollack. These therapies focus on recognizing and challenging defenses that lead to problems both internally and relationally. Learn the difference between defenses that feel right (Egosyntonic) and those that don’t (Egodystonic) and why it’s important to work against them for change. This episode is a dive into the role of EDTS in individual therapy, and highlights the need for an integrated approach to address underlying trauma, plus much more! “Turning against defenses is key to creating change.” – Dr. Deborah Pollack Time Stamps for Challenging Defenses: An Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTS) 00:00 Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies 04:07 Understanding Defenses and Creating Change 08:19 Turning Against Defenses 13:49 Building Capacity and Accessing Core Feelings 20:05 Working with Resistance and Anxiety 23:49 Exploring Different Models within EDTs 29:22 Understanding and Working with Defenses 36:14 Building Capacity and Regulating Emotions 39:05 Challenging Defenses and Facilitating Character Change 45:04 Integrating Modalities for Comprehensive Healing 48:31 The Role of the Therapist in Addressing Defenses 54:49 Compassionate and Supportive Therapeutic Relationships About our Guests – Dr. Deborah Pollack & Margaret Martin, LCSW Dr. Deborah Pollack is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Utica University and a clinical psychologist in private practice near Syracuse, New York. She also has faculty appointments at SUNY Upstate Medical University and Syracuse University, where she teaches and supervises doctoral students in psychology. Dr. Pollack is active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA), serving as recording secretary and on several standing committees. She is the President-elect of the Central New York Psychological Association. Dr. Pollack is a qualitative researcher and most recently has investigated the application of EDT-informed therapy for mothers with postpartum mood and anxiety disorders. She has been studying the EDTs since 2009 and is certified as a Teacher and Supervisor through the IEDTA. She is currently running a core training in ISTDP and she also offers individual supervision in ISTDP for licensed or license-eligible therapists. In her free time, Deb enjoys traveling, sewing, and hiking, especially in the Adirondack mountains where she is working on hiking all 46 high peaks. Margaret Martin, LCSW is an individual and couple therapist practicing in Austin, Texas, where she specializes in complex trauma. She began training with Stan Tatkin, developer of the PACT model, in 2012. She now coaches PACT level one and two students and provides training for the PACT Institute, and hosts a monthly online discussion group for PACT and PACT-curious therapists. In 2022 Margaret completed the PACT Institute’s inaugural invitation-only certification program and is one of 25 therapists worldwide to receive the designation of PACT-certified therapist. In 2019 she began training in ISTDP and developed a passion for incorporating aspects of ISTDP into her work with couples. With colleague Kathryn Barksdale, Margaret co-developed Trauma Wise Therapy, a framework for working with high-trauma couples. Margaret active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA) and chairs the IEDTA Diversity Committee. A self-described training junkie, she also trained in Somatic Experiencing, Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing, Emotional Transformation Therapy, Brainspotting, and Accelerated Resolution Therapy. She is slightly fanatic about trauma-informed care, deliberate practice for therapists, cats, and fiber arts of any kind. Resources for this Episode – Challenging Defenses: An Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTS) Margaret Martin, LCSW – Margaret Martin’s website Deborah Pollack, PhD – Dr. Deborah Pollack’s website Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th – IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here! IEDTA Certified Training – Info on training in Experiential Dynamic Therapies Application to join the EDT List Additional resources on ISTDP and Experiential Dynamic Therapies Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Patricia Coughlin – Recommended by Margaret Martin Reaching Through Resistance by Allan Abbass – Recommended by Margaret Martin Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: A Reference by Nat Kuhn MD – Recommended by Margaret Martin Treating Affect Phobia: A Manual for Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Leigh McCullough, et al – Recommended by Margaret Mart

Centering voices and perspectives of marginalized couples is crucial in therapy Co-host Sue Marriott and Akilah Riley Richardson dive into a wide-ranging discussion about the vital need to center marginalized voices of clients – and therapists. They explore how Western perspectives have shaped therapy practices globally, often overlooking diverse cultural approaches. Akilah brings a fresh, challenging perspective to the table. She pushes for a real shake-up in how we approach therapy, especially when working with marginalized couples. It’s not just about tweaking existing methods – she’s calling for a fundamental rethinking of our assumptions. The conversation tackles some heavy topics, from unpacking the concept of relational privilege to developing strategies that help couples see beyond their individual struggles to the bigger picture of systemic trauma. What really stands out is their focus on the deep impact of systemic trauma. They don’t just acknowledge it – they dig into why it’s so crucial for therapists to truly understand and address it in their work. Ultimately, this discussion isn’t just academic. It’s a call to action for therapists to step up, broaden their perspectives, and find new ways to help couples break free from systemic constraints. It’s about empowering relationships and, in the process, maybe changing the face of therapy itself. “Our ways of understanding healing are not always in the traditionally confined space of therapy. Dance is healing, drumming is healing, movement is healing…” – Akilah Riley-Richardson Time Stamps for Liberating Marginalized Couples from Systemic Trauma 00:00 Introduction and Akilah’s background 02:15 The influence of the global north on therapy practices in the global south 06:24 Understanding relational privilege in marginalized couples 28:36 The impact of systemic trauma on marginalized couples 30:50 The theater of oppression: Mapping themes onto relationships 36:51 Learning about relationships through systemic trauma 40:59 Challenging the therapy profession 46:13 The bubble of psychotherapy 48:43 Redefining and reclaiming narratives of survival 53:28 The urgency of addressing systemic trauma 56:16 Challenging the profession and implementing systemic change 59:04 Taking action and being part of the work About our Guest – Akilah Riley-Richardson MSW, CCTP Akilah Riley-Richardson is a Certified Clinical Trauma Professional, a Facilitator and Trainer, as well as a Couples Therapist, certified in the STAIR Method. She has received training in various areas including Somatic Experiencing, Brainspotting, Playback Theatre, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing, Neuroscience, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Relational Life Therapy, Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy, Compassion Focused Therapy, and Internal Family Systems Therapy. She is the founder of the Relational Healing Institute, which is dedicated to the healing of relationships, especially those of marginalized people, and is also the creator of the P.R.I.D.E model which is an approach that is useful when working with clients and in clinical supervision. P.R.I.D.E stands for Pivot, Rumble, Imagine, Develop and Evolve. Resources for this Episode – Liberating Marginalized Couples from Systemic Trauma Akilah Riley-Richardson’s Website – Information & Resources Indigenous Social Work Around the World by Towards Culturally Relevant Education and Practice by John Coates & Mel Grey – Book referenced by Akilah Riley-Richardson And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE please please leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Related episodes: Navigating Racial Trauma and identity with Debra Chapman-Finley and Gliceria Perez part 1: TU203 AND Part 2: TU204 In each other’s Care Building and Sustaining Healthy Relationships with Stan Tatkin TU TU112 Mind Body Heart Spirit Embodying Liberation Psychology with Dr. Shena YoungTU230 Couples Therapy with Ellyn Bader and Peter Pearson TU 140 Events, Announcements & Resource Links Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Mind, Body, Social, & Spiritual Approaches for Healing Attachment: 30 World-Leading Pioneers Share Their Best Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the for

Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy – the good, the questionable and what to worry about Pychedelic assisted therapy Nigel Denning is a pioneer in the field of training and research around the therapeutic use of medicines, and as an Australian, has seen what happens when psychedelics become legalized. He and co-host Sue Marriott discuss the state of psychedelic-assisted therapy as it ‘officially’ emerges in the United States. They discuss the efficacy of psychedelics such as MDMA and psilocybin as well as concerns about how these medicines are implemented and by whom. The need for structured treatment that supports integration with a solid theory of mind is emphasized. Denning shares how the substances offer new opportunities for those who have not had success with traditional treatments, as well as addresses the concerns and skepticism around the science. Through their emphasis on the importance of proper setting, preparation, and integration he also highlights the importance of collaboration and community in the future of psychedelic therapy. Integrative Attachment Therapy was recommended as a sound training model to support those training in psychedelic integration. “Psychedelics can help create the conditions for new opportunity” – Nigel Denning Time Stamps for Unlocking the Potential of Psychedelics 04:37 The State of Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy in Australia 13:46 Addressing Criticism and Skepticism: The Need for Scientific Explanation 21:58 Understanding the Effects of MDMA on the Brain 26:41 Understanding the Effects of Psilocybin on the Brain 29:31 The Importance of Set and Setting, Preparation, and Integration 32:41 Integration in Psychedelic Therapy 36:35 Concerns about Commercialization and Lack of Regulation 44:54 Training and Collaboration in Psychedelic Therapy 49:22 Psychotherapy as a Catalyst for Transformation and Resilience About our Guest – Nigel Denning – Unlocking the Potential of Therapeutic Psychedelics Nigel Denning is a counseling psychologist who runs Integrative Psychology in Melbourne, Australia. He earned a Masters degree in English literature before entering Psychology. Denning developed a national training psychedelic-assisted therapy for Mind Medicine Australia, which is described by Professor David Nutt as “the world’s best.” Denning is a clinical lead in three psychedelic trials and has developed an attachment training program with David Elliott. He also mediated a healing process with two large Catholic colleges with histories of employing pedophiles, as well as worked on the George Pell prosecution. Denning has worked in institutional abuse and was instrumental in dismantling a Hindu sex cult. He has lectured a many universities and ran professional training for the College of Counseling psychologists, and trains in Tibetan Bon DzogChen following his mentor, Daniel P. Brown. Resources for Unlocking the Potential of Therapeutic Psychedelics Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode! Use our link for a discount! Shadow Work and Psychedelic-Assisted Therapies – Article from Mind Medicine Australia by Nigel Denning Integrative Attachment Therapy (IAT) – Media Release Integrative Psychology – Website & Resource Previous episodes on psychedelic-assisted therapies to deepen your exploration: Non-drug Psychedelic Therapy with Trey Ratcliff TU 129 A Dose of Hope TU Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy with Dan Engle 167 And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!   Events, Announcements & Resource Links From Triggers to Boundaries – Secure Relating in Tumultuous Times – Reserve your spot now!! – Join us for a live podcast recording bridging psychological research with real-world application. Ann and Sue will unpack the most practical aspects of modern attachment theory and relational neurobiology to help you navigate challenging times in everyday life. Mind, Body, Social, & Spiritual Approaches for Healing Attachment: 30 World-Leading Pioneers Share Their Best Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the forefront of evidence-based care. Click here to register!! Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network! Support this l

Improv in Therapy and in Life – Explore the power – and sheer fun – of using improvisation in therapy! Dr. Ann Kelley and Lisa Kays discuss how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression. They examine white supremacy culture and show how improv values like collaboration, slowing down, and embracing complexity can challenge these norms. Improv fosters creativity, playfulness, and self-reflection to help reduce defensiveness and strengthen relationships in everyday life, at work, or in our closest relationships. By creating a supportive, collaborative environment, improv deepens connections and helps people tap into a wider range of emotions. “A culture of improvisation is collaborative – it is nature – you cannot do it by yourself.” – Lisa Kays Time Stamps for Improv in Therapy & Life 03:30 The integration of improv and tough conversations 10:03 The origins of improv and its connection to social justice 14:27 Contrasting white supremacy culture and improv culture 19:20 Questioning cultural norms and valuing relationships 25:29 The power of the ‘And’ in joining and connecting 38:27 The power of improv in building secure relationships 53:25 Embracing creativity and letting go of perfectionism 58:12 Creating a culture of support and collaboration 01:05:04 Applying improv in everyday life 01:09:10 Deepening connections and accessing different emotions About our Guest for Improv Therapy – Lisa Kays LICSW, LCSW, LCSW-C Lisa Kays, LICSW, LCSW-C, LCSW, is an independently licensed clinical social worker in Washington, D.C, Maryland, Virginia, Oregon and New Jersey. She obtained her MSW from Catholic University in 2011 and has worked in a variety of clinical settings. Since 2013, she has been in private practice, providing individual, couples and group therapy to adults. She has interest in social work ethic and has published on and leads ethics training on the intersection of technology, social media and social work ethics as well as anti-racism and systemic oppression. Her practice also provides opportunities for other presenters to develop CE trainings on under-taught topics linked to social justice, systemic racism, and oppression. In addition to her traditional psychotherapy work, Lisa was a performing improviser from 2007-2019 and was on the faculty of Washington Improv Theatre from 2008-2016. She developed Washington Improv Theater’s first Improv for Therapist’s class and has offered Improv for Therapists courses, workshops and trainings to individual clinicians, pastors, life coaches, and psychiatrists, as well as clinical agencies. Since its inception, Lisa has trained more than 500 people in the application of improvisation to foster personal growth and stronger and more cohesive groups. Lisa has been invited to lead trainings in improv-informed therapy at the American Academy of Psychotherapists, the Mid-Atlantic Group Psychotherapy Association, the American Group Psychotherapy Association, and at The Psychotherapy Networker, among others. Her work has been featured in The Washington Post and on NBC4. Recently, Lisa launched a humor, humility-infused podcast, “What if Nothing’s Wrong With You?” with co-host Paula D. Atkinson on themes related to therapy, mental health, oppression, patriarchy and how it’s all interconnected. Resources for Improv Therapy – Lisa Kay’s – Website & Resources The Fierce Urgency of Now: Improvisation, Rights, and the Ethics of Cocreation (Improvisation, Community, and Social Practice) – by Fischlin, Daniel; Heble, Ajah; Lipsitz, George Theater Games – Viola Spolin Resources Rehearsals for Growth – Website and Educational Resources Decolonizing Therapy: Oppression, Historical Trauma, and Politicizing Your Practice – book by Jennifer Mullan, PsyD The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron – Book and Resources Free Play: Improvisation in Life and Art – Nachmanovitch, Stephen And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Therapists: This is our recommended class for going deeper and learning the most. You will not be disappointed! Use our link for a discount! Dr. Elliott’s Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information   Support this show staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode Go to puritywoods.com/TU or enter code TU at checkout for 27% off.   Go to helloned.com/TU or enter code TU at checkout for a discount.   Go to ZocDoc.com/TU This is a no-brainer – use it to find just about any specialist you are looking for. Thanks for listening, friends

Everyone is familiar with reacting “in the heat of the moment,” but do we really understand what that means? Regulation basics include the protection or connection pathways to interpersonal relating. With the high tension we’re experiencing in the world today, it can feel particularly challenging to practice secure relating. We are re-sharing one of our impactful episodes where Ann Kelley and Sue Marriott explore the inner workings of our nervous system auto-pilot settings: protection vs connection. Click here to view the original show notes for this episode! Time Stamps for Protection or Connection 00:00 Understanding our internal working model 01:05 Our body responds so much faster than our mind03:11 The story we tell amplifies the body’s response 05:30 Story vs State: Protective System and the Relational Connective System 08:11 Awareness of our state and identifying the tells of a protective system 16:12 The awareness of self in the presence of another, the relational system 17:49 Our smartest brain 19:30 Tells when you’re in a relational, connective, and reflective place 25:21 Tolerating difficult emotions 29:32 Use your own name to identify yourself 31:24 Ways to calm your body down 36:40 Pre-emptive strike; we get defensive because of the threat inside of our body 39:26 Positive interpretation of a story 41:02 Conclusion _______ Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode Go to Piquelife.com/tu Go to helloned.com/TU or enter code TU at checkout.   Dr. Elliott’s Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information – Follow this link for 5% off enrollment!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!               Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

“Being Asian American means living in two worlds, and finding your place in both.” Dr. Ann Kelley and Hyeseung Song, a first-generation Korean American discuss Hyeseung’s experiences growing up as an Asian minority in America, touching on topics like racial stereotypes, assimilation, and the model minority myth. Hyeseung shares her journey of finding her voice and identity, highlighting the mental health challenges of navigating different cultures and the path to self-acceptance. “…realizing that I was kind of a third distinct thing, maybe not completely Korean, maybe not completely American, but Korean American – something very special that I was learning and etching out for myself.” – Hyeseung Song Time Stamps for Journey to Self-Discovery: Navigating Identity and Mental Health as a Korean American Immigrant 5:17 – Growing up as Korean American 9:23 – The impact of racial stereotypes and assimilation 23:23 – Code-Switching and Balancing Cultural Expectations 26:24 – The Toll of Hypervigilance on Mental Health 29:14 – Finding Voice and Identity as a Korean American 36:58 – The Importance of Culturally Competent Mental Health Care 41:17 – Asian American Collaboration and Advocacy 46:13 – Embracing Identity and Fighting Racial Stereotypes: The Role of Younger Generations 56:22 – Finding Support and Being Seen 59:27 – The Importance of a Common Language in Therapy 01:06:57 – Curiosity and Connection in Conversations about Race and Identity About our Guest – Hyeseung Song Photo by Jack Sorokin   Hyeseung Song is a first-generation Korean American painter and the author of Docile: Memoirs of a Not-So-Perfect Asian Girl (Simon & Schuster). She lives in Brooklyn and upstate New York. Learn more about her at hyeseungsong.com. Resources for today’s episode – Click here to visit Hyeseung’s website “They Called Us Exceptional” – Prachi Gupta’s Memoir “The Body Keeps the Score” Dr. Kenneth V. Hardy – Author, Professor & Director of the Eikenberg Institute Suicide statistic: #1 cause of death among young AAPI adults 15-24 is suicide   Check out Hyeseung Song’s book – Docile: Memoirs of a Not-So-Perfect Asian Girl     Instagram @hyeseungs Twitter @hyeseungs Tiktok @noturdocile Other Relevant Therapist Uncensored Episodes https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/healing-intergenerational-ancestral-trauma-with-linda-thai/ _______ Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode Go to ARMRA.com and use code TU at checkout!   Go to Piquelife.com/tu Dr. Elliott’s Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information – Follow this link for 5% off enrollment!     Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!               Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

Let’s revisit the “Felt Sense” Polyvagal model Enjoy this replay episode with Jan Winhall, as we explore how our bodies can guide us towards healing and growth through the concept of “felt sense.” This approach integrates neuroscience and focuses on our innate ability to perceive and respond to our experiences. Winhall’s work challenges conventional views on navigating challenges influenced by culture and trauma. Click here to view Jan Winhall’s original shownotes Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Interest in David Elliot’s Integrative Attachment Training? Click here!! Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode with Jan Winhall Go to ARMRA.com and use code TU at checkout!   ‘ Go to ZocDoc.com/TU   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberatio   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our communit Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

Episode Swap!! Check out this cross-over episode with Robyn Gobbel One of the many incredible aspects of this community are the people we are able to connect and learn with, like Robyn Gobbel. She is a licensed social worker, podcast host, keynote speaker, writer, trainer & consultant – and even host launch this spring. This episode, Ann and Sue joined her on her podcast, “The Baffling Behavior Show”, to talk about secure relating. Click here to see “The Baffling Behavior Show” show notes Looking for our reading and discussion groups? Click here!! Other Relevant Therapist Uncensored Episodes with Robyn Gobbel https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu142-trauma-informed-therapy-with-kids-with-robyn-gobbel-msw-rpt-s/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu53-complex-trauma-and-managing-dysregulation-with-guest-robyn-gobbel/ Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Interest in David Elliot’s Integrative Attachment Training? Click here!! Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode with Robyn Gobbel Go to ARMRA.com and use code TU at checkout!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberatio   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our communit Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

Part 3 of 3 – Let’s talk about deepening security relationally Curiosity, emotional honesty and discernment… magic ingredients to preserve and express your security. Ann and Sue focus on context over the intrapsychic in this episode, which expands on the last thrid of the ideas from their book, Secure Relating Holding Your Own in an Insecure World. Moving from individual to interpersonal and then societal levels, we discuss the complexities of human connection. Ann and Sue touch on the dark side of empathy and oxytocin, explore leadership and the need for nuance in navigating today’s challenges while aiming to expand beyond just the Western lens. Whether it be with your partner or even how you navigate your community – building security helps every single one of us. They hope to help you do your part in this crucial work of deepening your connection to the goodness of yourself and others and mobilizing your voice to stand up for those who need us. “Our growth does not just happen in the therapy office, it happens through all of our relational experiences and is enhanced by interpersonal risk we take safe people throughout our lives.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Security Individually, Relationally, and in Community 1:55 – Deeping security among us 4:23 – What is a primary? 9:31 – Why we don’t use the word “treatment” 18:37 – Empathy and Oxitocyn aren’t always good 24:19 – Why receiving opposing feedback is important Resources for Security Individually, Relationally, and in Community Click here to secure your spot in the Secure Relating Reading Pod – starting soon! You can get your copy here!!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!         Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

The party isn’t over quite yet. This is part 2 of 3 of our behind-the-scenes look at our book journey. Following the launch of the book, our virtual party, and our Modern Attachment conference in Austin, TX, Ann and Sue open with gratitude from the event, and for the overwhelming outpour of love and support from our community and those who help inspire this content. As we dive into more chapters of the book, we lean into understanding the attachment spectrum colors, recognizing what is happening internally when we feel activated, and shifting activation levels. “This isn’t about pathologizing – this is about learning the patterns of how our body responds when we get activated and what to do next.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Shifting Activation Levels 00:32 – Trying to process the overwhelming virtual launch with the incredible attachment community 5:02 – Engaging different activation states – looking at Part 2 of Secure Relating 11:02 – Direct look into blue leaning patterns, dismissing attachment activation via Chapter 8 15:32- Understanding the behaviors behind “blue” with compassion and watching for shame 19:14 – Cooling down red activation – preoccupied patterns via Chapter 9 23:13 – Resolving the unresolved -tye dye patterns and trauma, via a peek into Chapter 10 Resources for Shifting Activation Levels Click here to secure your spot in the Secure Relating Reading Pod – starting soon! You can get your copy here!!       TherapyChat – Friend of the podcast, Laura Reagan, LCSW-C’s podcast Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode   Go to Zocdoc.com/TU Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!         Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

It’s finally here! Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World is out now! After years of hard work, Sue and Ann could not be more excited to celebrate the release of their book. Today’s episode offers behind the scene’s conversation and a deeper dive into Part 1 of the book, Secure Relating Holding Your Own in an Insecure World. You can purchase it now directly at www.securerelatingbook.com and get an ad-free podcast feed at www.therapistuncensored.com/join. “We survive because of our innate longing for connection….” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World 1:45 – Information about our book & book launch 15:25 – Breaking down the three section of the book 29:22 – The armor of the sturdy survivor 31:06 – Sue’s anecdote and analysis of the MMPI test 35:54 – Overview of the Three R Healing Spiral 45:28 – Reflecting and Building Agency Resources for Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World Click here to secure your spot in the Secure Relating Reading Pod – starting soon! Want to join the live virtual book launch on 5/1? Sign up here! You can get your copy here!!       Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode Check out AG1 at AthleticGreens.com/TherapistUncensored Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!         Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

Appreciate this podcast? Then please, help us reach our goal of 7,000 pre-orders for Secure Relating, Holding Your Own in an Insecure World.   Click here to learn more about the conference!! Over 100 episodes after their last interview, Ann and Sue are thrilled to be back discussing all things attachment with Dr. David Elliott. Together they delve into the Three Pillars therapy model development, centered around three key elements: enhancing collaboration, fostering metacognition, and constructing new internal working models through imagery. Dr. Elliott elaborates on how the therapeutic journey prioritizes the therapeutic alliance, perspective-taking, and employing mental imagery to cultivate fresh attachment dynamics. “…the field of attachment is full of wonderful research, researchers, and information – some of which is conflicting, some of which is controversial – but that just means the field is alive and there’s room for lots of people to offer ideas and to evolve the field further.” – Dr. David Elliott Time Stamps for Integrative Attachment Therapy 02:01 – Overview of the Three Pillars 07:11- Limitations of the Therapist as Good Attachment Figure Model 14:42 – Integration and the Evolution of the Three Pillars Model 29:50 – The Use of Mental Imagery in Creating New Internal Working Models 39:46 – Research and Future Directions 47:16 – The Benefits of Sequential Learning 53:47 – The Virtual Book Launch and Community Support 01:00:23 – The Five Conditions that Promote Attachment Security 01:08:09 – Contact Information and Conclusion About our Guest – Dr. David Elliott Dr. David Elliott is a licensed psychologist who earned his Ph.D. in Psychology from Harvard University in 1989. His clinical training at Harvard included externships at Tufts University Counseling Centerand St. Elizabeth’s Medical Center, as well as a clinical psychology internship and post-doctoral fellowship at McLean Hospital. He has held leadership positions in the Rhode Island Psychological Association and the Coalition of Mental Health Professionals of Rhode Island. Since 1998, Dr. Elliott has been on the faculty of the International School for Psychotherapy, Counseling, and Group Leadership in St. Petersburg, Russia, and serves as Chair of its International Advisory Board. He also teaches at Psykosyntes Akademin in Stockholm, Sweden. Dr. Elliott’s recent focus has been on secure and insecure attachment, culminating in the co-authoring of “Attachment Disturbances in Adults: Treatment for Comprehensive Repair” in 2016. He conducts workshops internationally on the methods outlined in the book for mental health professionals. Resources for today’s episode – Integrative Attachment Therapy Dr. Elliott’s Website Dr. Elliott’s Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information – Follow this link for 5% off enrollment! Check out Dr. Elliott’s book – Attachment Disturbances in Adults: Treatment for Comprehensive Repair https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/heal-attachment-and-find-security-during-covid/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu34-treating-attachment-difficulties-with-dr-david-elliott/   Don’t forget: Register today for the May 2024 Conference – Earlybird pricing ending 4/1/24 Free public talk on Secure Relating in person, – Click here!! Secure Relating will be in your hands when it’s released 4/30/24 if you order it today! Questions? Email us at [email protected] _______ Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30-day free trial when you go to DipseaStories.com/TU   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!             Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

Meet some of our previous guests at the virtual launch May 1, 2024! Pre-order now to meet David Elliott, Carol George, Tina Payne Bryson and many more!   Click here to learn more about the conference!! Do you have your metaphorical sunglasses on? Ann and Sue are back for another deep dive, this time on all things information processing. Using the concept of sunglasses as a metaphor for information distortion, they explain how our internal working models and attachment experiences shape the way we perceive and interpret information. The sunglasses represent different states of activation, with clear glasses indicating a secure state and aviator sunglasses representing a defensive, self-protective state. Sunglasses can affect our relationships – but they don’t have to stop us from building healthy connections. Follow along as we explore the importance of curiosity, self-reflection, and open-mindedness in navigating relationships. “…you can be very responsive to the people around you and their different states, but you’re also equally responsive to your own battery, your own needs, your own wishes, your own frustrations – that matters too.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Information Processing 1:06 – Introducing the metaphor of sunglasses 6:27 – Recognizing information distortion and its impact 12:37 – Understanding positive and negative transference 18:15 – Deep dive into the meaning behind the Aviator sunglasses metaphor 23:28 – The impact of early attachment experiences 35:44 – How our stories can impact the way our nervous system responds 41:01 – Questions can feel threatening neurologically 43:49 – The crazy 8 anecdote 45:51 – Being aware of our own sunglass distortions Information Processing Resources Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode!   Go to Zocdoc.com/TU

Don’t catch the certainty virus! Collective trauma requires collective healing We can understand our social pain by considering the nervous system, just think of it as a collective amygdala hijack! Threat is pressing us to live in an alarm state and then we get used to it, as if it’s normal to be so divided, hopeless and disdainful to those who are holding different positions in the world. We need to cultivate secure (mature) relating to move ourselves back into a social, relational place that makes us more generous, compassionate and able to work with complexity to stay engaged to solve some of these pressing world and community issues. Keep hope alive! Ann and Sue delve into the pressing emotional and social challenges confronting our world today. They examine the impact of divisive political rhetoric, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, collective distrust, and widespread trauma on individuals and society as a whole. Emphasizing the necessity of self-awareness and accountability, they underscore the role each person plays in contributing to collective healing and regulation. Throughout their conversation, Ann and Sue stress the importance of vulnerability, genuine connection, and the pursuit of healing as essential components of addressing systemic issues and promoting relational solutions. They also tackle the complexities of polarization, advocating for open-mindedness, nuance, and empathy in navigating ideological differences and fostering constructive dialogue. Explore the transformative potential of emotions like anger and the power of connection and love in driving positive societal change. “…if you can get your mind and your body connected and be deliberate about your actions, you’re going to bemore powerful” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Collective Dysregulation 1:42 – Reflecting on current events and polarization 4:40 – Sue’s bug analogy from the book 7:55 – Understanding our reactivity 10:15 – We have to go inward and look inward 15:25 – Ann’s anecdote of sitting with the discomfort 17:44 – Tools to “hang in there” and to try to stay regulated 18:46 – Explanation of the “certainty virus” 30:17 – Taking responsibility for our part 32:23 – The need for vulnerability and safety 35:15 – Cultivating safety around you 37:55 – Letting anger inform 48:34 – Holding our own individually and collectively 50:46 – Keeping hope alive 58:31 – Recognizing the signs of collectiveness and collective activation Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Check out our other past and upcoming events here!!

“Hypnosis is more like an anti-inflammatory drug, you use it to solve a problem.” Join Dr. Ann Kelley and Dr. David Spiegel as they dive into the benefits and misconceptions of hypnosis. Hypnosis is a state of highly focused attention and cognitive flexibility, allowing individuals to explore new possibilities. Whether it’s trouble with sleep, intense anxiety, or a need to break bad habits, hypnosis has proven to be an effective tool for many. Dr. Spiegel has dedicated years of research and emphasizes the importance of accessibility to hypnosis in our healthcare systems. His app R E V E R I has over 1 million downloads and allows you to rewire your brain, conquer negative habits, and achieve personal growth from home. “…People in hypnosis can turn down that superego part of the brain that says, ‘here’s who you’re supposed to be’and ‘here’s what you were raised to be’ and ‘here’s how you should be’, and just says – ‘What if I were different? What would it feel like?‘“ – Dr. David Spiegel About our Guest – Dr. David Spiegel Dr. David Spiegel is Willson Professor and Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health, and Medical Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine, where he has been a member of the academic faculty since 1975, and was Chair of the Stanford University Faculty Senate from 2010-2011. Dr. Spiegel has more than 40 years of clinical and research experience studying psycho-oncology, stress and health, pain control, psychoneuroendocrinology, sleep, hypnosis, and conducting randomized clinical trials involving psychotherapy for cancer patients. He has published thirteen books, 404 scientific journal articles, and 170 book chapters on hypnosis, psychosocial oncology, stress physiology, trauma, and psychotherapy. His research has been supported by the National Institute of Mental Health, the National Cancer Institute, the National Institute on Aging, the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Fetzer Institute, the Dana Foundation for Brain Sciences, and the Nathan S. Cummings Foundation. He was a member of the work groups on stressor and trauma-related disorders for the DSM-IV and DSM-5 editions of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. He is Past President of the American College of Psychiatrists and the Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis, and is a Member of the National Academy of Medicine. He was invited to speak on hypnosis at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2018. Time Stamps for Hypnosis for Healing 00:15 – Dr. Spiegel’s beginning with hypnosis work 2:30 – What is hypnosis? 2:56 – The myths around hypnosis 5:32 – How hypnosis is different from standard mindfulness? 8:29 – Similarities between hypnosis and mindfulness 13:29 – Effectiveness of hypnosis for sleep and anxiety 23:09 – Understanding the R E V E R I app 31:20 – The effects on smoking with hypnosis 37:20 – Hypnosis and trauma 44:48 – Who is a good candidate for hypnosis? 47:39 – Introduction to the “hypno-pharmacy” on the app 55:23 – Your hypnotizability and genetics 57:13 – Hypnotizability and attachment theory Resources for today’s episode – Hypnosis for Healing Dr. Spiegel’s Website & Profile Publications – The full list of Dr. Spiegel’s publications R E V E R I – Try Dr. Spiegel’s hypnosis app Effect of Psychosocial Treatment on Survival of Patients with Metastatic Breast Cancer – Referenced research article on psychosocial treatment And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!         Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

“The more that we unlearn, the more that we decolonize our minds, bodies, hearts and spirits” – Dr. Shena Young Join co-host Sue Marriott and Dr. Shena Young as they dive into liberation psychology and the conflict between intuition and the traditional European model of psychology. Dr. Shena highlights embodying a holistic approach to help heal traumas and deeply root us in our most authentic selves. Whether through connections with nature or the exploration of ancestral traditions, this discussion is enriched with various opportunities to reconnect and liberate our mind, body, heart, and spirit. About our Guest – Dr. Shena Young (She/Her) Affectionately known as Dr. Shena (she/her) & spiritually as Iya Osunbunmi Orisasewa, she is a licensed embodiment-focused psychologist–healer, artist, mental health futurist, on-set wellbeing professional, and priestess in the Isese tradition of Ifa. She holds space internationally for individuals, couples, groups, and organizations committed to the ritual of calling themselves back into their bodies as a freedom practice. She owns a private practice, embodied truth healing & psychological services, rooted in Los Angeles, CA where she offers mind–body–heart–spirit care in healing from sexual, racial, intergenerational, and ancestral traumas. Time Stamps for Embodying Liberation Psychology 1:30 – Dr. Shena’s journey with liberation psychology and decolonization 7:25 – Dr. Shena’s early life and intuition 9:48 – Body language is one of our first languages 18:58 – Understanding the pillars of authenticity 20:52 – Embracing the mind, body, heart, spirit approach 28:21 – Unlearning scarcity and expecting abundance 33:29 – Thinking of currency as seeds 41:37 – New interests in ancient traditions 44:11 – What the act of grounding may look like 51:45 – The decriminalization of psychedelic plant medicines 56:30 – There is power in practicing choice 1:05:01 – Impact of The Color Purple Resources for today’s episode – Embodying Liberation Psychology EmbodiedTruthHealing.com – Dr. Shena’s website Healing Opportunities with Dr. Shena @EmbodiedTruthHealing – Dr. Shena’s Instagram Invest in healing programs for BIPOC Dr. Clenora Hudson-Weems website – Where Dr. Shena first learned about Africana Womanist theory Body Rites – Dr. Shena’s book. Get your copy, here!! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!     Thanks for listening! If you haven’t yet please do drop us a rating/review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps us spread the word about secure relating far and wide – thanks friends for being on this journey with us!

“Boundaries are self-worth in action” – Juliane Taylor Shore We’re back with long-time friend of the podcast and expert, Juliane Taylor Shore LMFT, LPC, SEP. As we reflect on our episode from six years ago on boundaries, we dive into new knowledge and how we can create boundaries that stick. Juliane Taylor Shore blends her original methods like “the jello wall” with new research to share exciting and thoughtful insight on how through boundaries we can harness compassion in our relationships with others and ourselves. “I have also seen that learning to trust yourself is a huge part of safety. When we handle life well, it’s often the result of treating ourselves with love and respect, and leaning in to those who love us too.” – Juliane Taylor Shore About our Guest – Juliane Taylor Shore LMFT, LPC, SEP Juliane Taylor Shore is a therapist, author, teacher, and mom who is creating spaces where people can move into more self-compassion, self-trust, empowerment, and integrity. She regularly teaches and speaks to people from all around the world, and translates new understandings in neurobiology into practices that can support brain change. She is also the author of Setting Boundaries that Stick: How Neurobiology Can Help You Rewire Your Brain to Feel Safe, Connected and Empowered and an Associate Instructor with the Coherence Institute, and a core faculty member with Therapy Wisdom. Time Stamps for Setting Boundaries that Stick 00:53 – How Juliane wrote her book 3:15 – New ideas around boundary work 5:30 – Different categories of assessments 6:01 – Expanding the concept of boundaries 11:26 – Minds experience the world in different ways 16:34 – Explanation of the jello wall analogy 25:59 – Understanding the containing boundary 28:59 – The big emotional “oomph” 30:57 – What if you found your own version of a compassion gesture? 33:22 – Examples of key words 38:54 – The fourth boundary, physical 40:27 – Boundary repair, what it means to “gently come back to yourself” 50:38 – Creating the external boundary map Resources for today’s episode Juliane Taylor Shore – Official website iPNB of Austin – Official website Therapy Wisdom – Official website How Neurobiology Can Help You Rewire Your Brain to Feel Safe, Connected, and Empowered – Book by Juliane Taylor Shore   Other Relevant Therapist Uncensored Episodes https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu81-how-good-boundaries-actually-bring-us-closer-with-guest-juliane-taylor-shore/ Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Check out our other past and upcoming events here!!

Discomfort is a necessary part of liberating ourselves from patriarchal and white supremacist ideology Art by Nisha K. Sethi This is part two of a two-part series with the founder of Inclusive Therapists, Melody and TU Co-host, Sue Marriott. This episode features challenging yet important conversations on active anti-racist practices, exploration of oppression, and dismantling whiteness in mental health structures. Melody emphasizes the need for white clinicians to examine their own complicity in upholding oppressive systems and to listen to and center the experiences of marginalized communities. They also highlight the interconnectedness of healing and the power of collective liberation through rehumanizing. “…if I uphold a system that I know is dehumanizing someone, I become less human myself.” – Melody Li, LMFT (they/佢) About our Guest – Melody Li, LMFT (they/佢) Melody Li, LMFT (they/佢) is the founder of Inclusive Therapists: a mental health directory, resource hub & community centering marginalized communities. They also founded Mental Health Liberation, a non-profit bridging Black, Indigenous, and People of Color with free, quality therapy, and empowering Students & Clinicians of Color. Their activism focuses on decolonizing mental health care and dismantling the industrial complex. The colony-born migrant and settler on Turtle Island advocates for Landback, Indigenous Sovereignty, and Black Liberation as a priority. Time Stamps for Decolonizing the Mental Health System (Part 2) 2:18 – Definition of QTBIPOC 3:22 – Deep dive into anti-oppressive and liberators practices 8:20 – Understanding cis-gender identity 9:49 – Structural oppression is not about your feelings 15:34 – How white feminism can be exclusionary 17:06 – Dismantling whiteness from the mental health field 23:30 – Actions items for white clinicians to be more inclusive 25:52 – Top down versus bottom-down healing 30:40 – The core of oppression is to dehumanize Resources for today’s episode – Decolonizing the Mental Health System (Part 2) Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire – Literature recommendation by Melody Li Melody Li’s Website Melody Li’s Instagram Profile Inclusive Therapists Resource Library Open Letter: End Mental Health Field’s Complicity to Genocide Steadfast for Collective Liberation Newsletter: Confronting our Bullshit & Toxicity Palestinian Liberation: Lessons in Solidarity for Mental Health Providers Palestinian Liberation Resources When is exploring whiteness clinically relevant? (Melody Li, LMFT) Dismantling whiteness, white feminism and supremacy delusion: resources by Black, Indigenous and People of Color (Li advised against buying white authors on this subject) Decolonizing Therapy (Dr. Jenn Mullan) Stages of Colonialism in Africa: From Occupation of Land to Occupation of Being (Hussein A. Bulhan) All psychologies are indigenous psychologies: Reflections on psychology in a global era (Anthony J. Marsella) Mental Health Liberation: Website | Instagram | Facebook | BIPOC Therapy Fund | Liberatory Student Support Circle Inclusive Therapists: Website | Instagram | Facebook And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!   Check out our other past and upcoming events here!!  

Love Letter to Group Psychotherapy While Ann and Sue are in DC at the American Group Psychotherapy Association Conference, we thought this was the perfect opportunity to replay one of our favorite episodes. Co-hosts Sue Marriott and Patty Olwell interview colleagues at the American Group Psychotherapy 2016 Association Annual Meeting in New York. They talk about why they love group therapy and why it is so valuable to their clients. We want to thank our interviewees for their help and insights. Interviewees for this Episode… Tammy Brown – Austin TX tammybrowntherapy.com Jamie Moran – San Francisco CA jamiemoran.com Rita Drapkin – Indiana University of Pennsylvania (724)357-2621 Pierre Choucroun – Austin TX Pierre M Choucroun on Psychology Today Kelly Inselmann – Austin TX kellyinselmann.com Liz Rosenblatt – Los Angeles CA Dr Elizabeth Rosenblatt on LAGPA RESOURCES: Additional resources for this episode: Austin Group Psychotherapy Society: Organization that promotes group therapy and provides training for clinicians American Group Psychotherapy Association: National organization that promotes group therapy as a cost effective and clinical valuable treatment. Psychodynamic Group Psychotherapy Scott Rutan Walter Stone and Joseph Shay. These are masters of group. An excellent text for therapists and others eager to learn about group. You can trust these authors And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Click here to see our past and upcoming events!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!

Not your ordinary journaling… a science-backed technique that gets to the heart of bottom-up healing. You may have heard about this protocol on the Huberman Lab Podcast. Co-hosts Ann and Sue discuss the power of expressive writing as a tool for physical and emotional healing directly with the original researcher, Dr. James Pennebaker. While his protocol is not a simple “elixir” to cure mental or physical illness, Dr. Pennebaker has dedicated years of research and found this kind of expressive writing to be an effective method of healing for many people. Writing without boundaries or expectations can allow us to enter a stream of consciousness and better process our feelings and experiences of trauma. “As the number of studies increased, it became clear that writing was a far more powerful tool for healing than anyone had ever imagined.” – Dr. James Pennebaker About our Guest – Dr. James Pennebaker James W. Pennebaker is Professor Emeritus of Psychology. He is continuing to explore natural language use, group dynamics, and personality in both laboratory and real world settings. His earlier work on expressive writing found that physical health and work performance can improve by simple writing and/or talking exercises. His cross-disciplinary research is related to linguistics, clinical and cognitive psychology, communications, medicine, and computer science. Author or editor of 12 books and over 300 articles, Pennebaker has received numerous research and teaching awards and honors.   Time Stamps for Neuroscience-proven Expressive Writing Protocol 00:49 – Dr. Pennebaker’s background 3:31 – Secrets are unhealthy 12:45 – Interesting findings from his writing experiment 17:46 – Dr. Pennebaker’s blood draw study 21:35 – One of the big problems with expressive writing 25:52 – Understanding executive function and working memory 27:31 – Three of the most impactful psychological tools 33:37 – The difference between standard journaling and these writing exercises 38:40 – The benefits of open-ended questions 46:16 – The emergent process of writing 59:03 – Anecdote about how Dr. Pennebaker’s analysis contributed to an exoneration 1:02 – What language can tell us about political leadership Resources for today’s episode – Expressive Writing Protocol The Pennebaker Lanuage Lab Linguistic Inquiry & Word Count – Text analysis tools Publications – A list of Dr. Pennebaker’s publications Website – Dr. Pennebaker’s UT website and information Transcripts for A Neuroscience-Proven Expressive Writing Protocol with Dr. James Pennebaker (225) And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Click here to see our past and upcoming events!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!

How Good Boundaries Actually Bring Us Closer This is a replay episode as we gear up for another exciting conversation with Juliane Taylor Shore – enjoy this refresh on setting and maintaining boundaries! Link to the original show notes, here!! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Click here to see our past and upcoming events!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!  

The 2020 COVID-19 pandemic has had lasting effects on our world – one of the most difficult being long COVID, which has shed light on chronic illnesses worldwide such as ME/CFS… In this episode, Ann and Sue share their research as well as personal experiences as caregivers for those with the illness and discuss the stigmas, invisibility, psychology of denial, support in advocating for your health, discussion of how to be a supportive caregiver, and secure relating in regards to chronic disease. “…the notion is to come to accept something you might not have chosen, and strive to find peace with where you are at now … It’s not necessarily about getting back to where you were. It’s about growing from where you are today.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Long Covid and ME/CFS 00:05 – Information about the May Modern Attachment Conference 7:55 – The difference between the names Myalgic Encephalomyelitis and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome 12:21 – How we use attribution error in coping with long COVID 19:04 – Understanding deep fatigue post-infection and the effects 24:42 – Markers of long covid 32:39 – Touching base with Westernized culture stigmas 34:37 – Impactful ways to emotionally support someone struggling with chronic illness 39:17 – The power in being able to tap in with our bodies 42:11 – Discussion of the book “Grappling with Cure” by Eli Clare 44:15 – Important reminders on taking your medical care seriuosly/advocate for yourself Resources for today’s episode Long Covid Brilliant Imperfection: Grappling with Cure by Eli Clare – A book Sue has been using as a resource for understanding and supporting chronic illness The Lonely, Isolating, and Alienating Implications of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome – Samir Boulazreg, Samir and Rokach, Ami – NIH Article Post-Exertional Symptom Exacerbation (PESE) – Long Covid Physio A discovery in the muscles of long COVID patients may explain exercise troubles – NPR Controversies related to chronic fatigue syndrome – Wikipedia article ME/CFS Research Published 26 December 2023 – 1 January 2024 – The ME Association The psychological impact of COVID-19 on the mental health in the general population – National Library of Medicine, Oxford University Article A Discussion on Secure Relating & Chronic Illness (223) – Transcripts Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists. We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Click here to see our past and upcoming events!!  

Welcome 2024! We are kicking off the new year with a special conversation between co-host Sue Marriott and special guest Jeff Lutes. Both members of the LGBTQ+ community, this discussion dives into raising families, the evolution of the community, allyship, gender, and the importance of advocacy. While there has been some progress, the LGBTQ+ community still actively faces discrimination. Whether you’re a practicing therapist with clients in the community or have LGBTQ-identifying loved ones, this episode is for you. Through a personal and professional lens, this conversation offers new perspectives and shines a light on the significance of staying educated and being an active voice. “There are a lot of therapists that see themselves as affirming, but I think you have to get actively involved in order to be an ally.” – Jeff Lutes Time Stamps for Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community 2:00 – Jeff’s anecdotes about religion and sexuality 11:18 – How advocacy can be a thankless job 12:00 – Introduction to the Contemporary Relationships Conference 14:34 – The difference between being trained in accepting versus educated 16:48 – The importance of knowing the correct terminology 20:39 – What we can learn from the polyamorous community 22:58 – Definition of queer and who that represents 24:37 – Let’s talk about pronouns 31:21 – Explanation of dead naming and why it is wrong 42:15 – Conversion therapy research and findings 47:00: Trailblazers in Love, Jeff’s book Resources for today’s episode Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community Jeff Lute’s Website – Information, credentials, presentations and publications Contemporary Relationships Conference – Conference information and proposals Get your copy of his book, Trailblazers in Love, here!! About our Guest – Jeff Lutes, LPC Jeff specializes in creating collaborative conversations with clients that generate new possibilities for change. Using a postmodern approach, he listens carefully to each client’s story and strives to understand how they might make meaning of themselves, others, and the world around them. He founded the Contemporary Relationships Conference and has presented to audiences around the country, including the American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy, the American Family Therapy Academy, the American Counseling Association, and the Texas Psychological Association. He is also the author of Trailblazers In Love, as well as chapters in three counseling textbooks. Lutes also wrote a children’s book about adoption, deaf culture, and non-traditional families and has been a contributing writer at Bilerico and Therapy Matters.   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!! Get your copy of Secure Relating here!! Click here to see our past and upcoming events!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our primary partner at this time – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.

Goodbye 2023, Hello 2024 – Reflecting on impactful guests & topics of the year We explored many ideas this year and despite the variety of topics we found a consistent theme – nurturing secure relating in an insecure world. With wide-ranging interviews and, we were met with rich conversations and endless opportunities to grow. As we close out 2023 with gratitude, Ann and Sue look back at important episodes from this year, review lessons learned, and share exciting announcements to come in 2024. It’s coming….. Pre-order your book today! “When we are in a secure state of mind, we evoke that in others.” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for TU 2023 Year in Review 4:21 – Reviewing the series, Secure Relating in an Insecure World 7:45 – Ann and Sue’s favorite topics from the series 17:45 – Takeaways from our two-part Dream series 22:47 – Explanation of failed mourning from episode 210 with Dr. Carol George 29:46 – How Ann and Sue practiced self-care this year 31:28 – Looking deeper into systems of poverty with Dr. Sharon Lambert 36:33 – Exploring our internal audiences 43:01 – Important lessons from the episode 207 with Dacher Keltner 45:40 – Austin IN Connection Live Event Announcement for 2024: It will be a Secure Relating LIVE weekend! Stay tuned – but we welcome those traveling and will make sure there are plenty of opportunities to connect! Resources for TU 2023 Year in Review This Jungian Life – A podcast from our guests on episode 201 that dives into Jungian dream analysis Other Relevant Therapist Uncensored Episodes https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/healing-intergenerational-ancestral-trauma-with-linda-thai/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/navigating-racial-trauma-part-1-203/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/intergenerational-conversation-climate-202/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/interpreting-dreams-with-a-jungian-lens-unlocking-a-world-within-ourselves-201/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/awe-for-collective-healing-series-sriw-ep-6/ https://mentalhealthliberation.org/bipoc-therapy-fund/ Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation     We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!     View the TU 2023 Year in Review – Building Internalized Secure Voices (221) – Transcripts Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode! For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30-day free trial when you go to DipseaStories.com/TU     Go to Zocdoc.com/TU and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today.   Go to Cozyearth.com/TU   Pre-orders are officially available! It will be delivered April 30, 2024 (a million years from now), but it’s coming!

Hair-pulling, skin picking, and cheek, lip, & cuticle biting are self-soothing strategies that depending on the degree can become body-focused repetitive behavioral disorders. Learn about a new attachment-informed psychodynamic model for treating these painful, shame-associated behaviors. This is a replay episode of our discussion with psychotherapist and body-focused repetitive behavioral expert, Stacy Nakell. Link to the original show notes, here!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!       Some of our sponsors – support them to support us!   Get 15% off with the code TU at oneskin.co     Get 55% off at Babbel.com/TU   Go to Cozyearth.com/TU     Thanks for stopping by, we hope the podcast (and these show notes) offer quality education and insight into interpersonal relationships. An entirely free way to support us is to simply rate and review the podcast on your favorite podcast player, and/or to simply share this episode with someone you think could use the free resources on the show!

It’s time to start celebrating vulnerability While just the word vulnerability can trigger our defenses, it can also be a great gateway to secure relating and deepening the connection with our authentic selves. In a society heavily influenced by social media, unhealthy gender roles, and many other factors – Ann and Sue dive into the importance of changing the narrative and stepping out of our defensive invulnerable state and into our healthy, vulnerable selves. “We’re swimming towards feeling vulnerability and recognizing it as not toxic – that is something desirable and something to be proud of” – Sue Marriott Time Stamps for Ditching Invulnerability 1:09 – Introduction to toxic invulnerability 4:54 – Different ways we can stay in a place of invulnerability 5:58 – Does being defensive mean I’m being invulnerable? 8:36 – How invulnerability is toxic on an individual level 9:30 – The relationship between perfectionism and invulnerability 14:05 – Social media’s influence on keeping us afraid of vulnerability 16:12 – Sue’s Beyonce anecdote 19:51 – Practicing active vulnerability 27:28 – Anxiety and invulnerability 28:01 – Signs of invulnerability we may not recognize 34:23 – Why we should call it harmful invulnerability versus toxic invulnerability 37:05 – Embracing our most authentic selves through vulnerability Resources for Ditching Invulnerability Brene Brown’s Website – A resource where you can find her content on shame and vulnerability “It’s Not All in Your Head – You Do Focus Differently on Zoom” – Scientific American article on Zoom and human connection Other Relevant Therapist Uncensored Episodes https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/you-are-kenough-liz-plank-211/ Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!             Pre-order your book, here!! Pre-orders are officially available!!! Get your book here!! View this episode’s transcripts, here!! Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode! Get 15% off with the code TU at oneskin.co   For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30-day free trial when you go to DipseaStories.com/TU   Go to Zocdoc.com/TU and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today.

We’re back! With exciting updates from the TU team & sneak peeks about our book Relating from a place of inner security is not about an attachment category, and it can’t stop with us as individuals. Ann and Sue share exciting news and community updates for TU. With secure relating at the forefront, this episode includes a sneak peek into the structure of their new book, Secure Relating Holding Your Own in an Insecure World. They explain the three R healing spiral, cultivating community, and much more! Now is a great time to join our online Neuronerd community www.therapistuncensored.com/join! Find shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com/tu218. “You can relate securely no matter your history, no matter your age, no matter your bad habits or good habits – this is something that’s accessible to all of us.” – Sue Marriott Sue & Ann – relaxing and recharging Time Stamps for Cultivating Secure Relating 1:00 – TU podcast and book updates 12:43 – Secure relating – how and why it is important and the driving force of the podcast 15:31 0 Book “Spoilers” – How to securely relate and stay centered with the chaos of the world 19:08 – Breaking down the three R healing spiral, starting with recognition 26:56 – Introducing the second R – reflection 30:54 – The third and final R – rewiring 36:40 – How can I be secure when other people aren’t? 38:36 – Understanding how true safety is a privilege 40:21 – Cultivating the rewiring process as a community Pre-order your book, here!! Pre-orders are officially available!!! Get your book here!! Click here to view today’s episode transcripts on Cultivating Secure Relating!! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!         Support the show by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode! AG1 is Ann and Sue’s go-to once-a-day drink that delivers all the basics of important vitamins, minerals, and probiotics. Go to www.athleticgreens.com/therapistuncensored or CLICK HERE.   Get 15% off with the code TU at oneskin.co   Go to Cozyearth.com/TU

Learn what the amygdala does and doesn’t do, how it’s related to memory and consciousness from the best, Dr. Joseph LeDoux This is a replay episode of our discussion with amygdala expert, Dr. Joseph LeDoux. View the official show notes for this episode here We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.  

For when talk therapy isn’t enough – how Attachment-Focused EMDR works and when to use it This week’s replay episode dives into the evolution and science behind Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) with Dr. Laurel Parnell, and the ways it can be used to help navigate trauma outside of traditional talk therapy. Click here to view this episode’s original show notes We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.  

The intersection of poverty and mental health – intergenerational patterns that impact one another. Historical and physical context impacts your biological stress response as much as early relationships. This replay episode covers poverty, mental health, attachment, stress & research on mental health podcasts with co-host Sue Marriott and Dr. Sharon Lambert. A year ago we connected with Dr. Sharon Lambert to take a deep dive into understanding our society and systems, and the ways that they can perpetuate harm to those who are struggling. Attachment ‘insecurity” is partly a manifestation of unresolved stress patterns in the child and, by extension, the family. Therapists usually think of stress as interpersonal and dyadic, but you can’t isolate individuals from context. We talk about context a lot when it comes to attachment – the circumstances or setting that helps to understand a process more deeply. Sue Marriott and Sharon Lambert discuss the unconscious bootstraps communities have that cause blame towards those who are struggling. “You can’t pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you have no boots.” – Dr. Sharon Lambert View the original show notes for poverty and mental health here!! We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join!   Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation   Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.  

Weave together psycho-pharmacology, trauma, neuroscience, attachment, and internal family systems on this refresher episode with Dr. Frank Anderson and co-host Sue Marriott. Resources for IFS – Ep 214 Frank Anderson’s Website IFS Group Consultation Course – Training Opportunities Webinars on Various Topics – Training Opportunities The Arc of Healing Trauma – Frank Anderson’s Online Course “Internal Family Systems: Skills Training Manual” – Skills Traning Manual Frank Anderson’s Most Recent Book Check out our original show notes for this IFS episode, here! Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.

Let’s start micro-dosing mindfulness – it takes less than 1 minute a day The idea of adding 30 minutes of extra meditation to our already busy schedules can feel overwhelming – but Jake Eagle has dedicated years to his research and found the mindfulness loophole. Awe is an incredibly powerful tool that can over time help us rewire our brains and build security within. Eagle is here to prove that awe is not only meant to be found in grand moments like standing at the top of a mountain or hearing your favorite musician live – but in the tiny fragments of our everyday life. Awe is accessible to us each day, and in this episode, Dr. Ann Kelley and Jake Eagle explore strategies like the “A Method” to incorporate mindfulness into our daily routines. These methods can help to ease the tension of the autopilot mode in our brains, reduce inflammation throughout the body, and equip us with the tools to have deeper, more meaningful connections. “Awe is the most important transformative experience of life. Awe is a lightning bolt that marks inmemory those moments when the doors of perception are cleansed, & we see with startling clarity what is truly important in life.” – David Elkins Time Stamps for Awe 1:03 – Introducing the practice of “micro-dosing mindfulness” 4:09 – How Jake Eagle started his research journey with awe 5:21 – Eagle’s, Amster’s & Keltner’s UC Berkeley study on awe 8:24 – Explanation of Eagle’s book 10:40 – How awe affects the body 15:56 – The “A” method and how to quiet the default mode in our brains 19:01 – Guided three-step A method with Jake 27:19 – Implementable practices for achieving awe in everyday life 28:47 – Utilizing awe as a practicing therapist 31:27 – Using awe to shift out of our defense physiology 33:27 – Jake Eagle’s analysis – the three levels of consciousness in awe 43:53 – Awe makes our worlds grander and ourselves smaller 47:00 – Eagle’s five patterns of strife 51:14 – Science behind inflammation and awe Resources for today’s episode, Awe Live Conscious – Jake & Hannah Eagle’s website & retreat information Hearthmath Institute – Tools, training & other resources for heart consciousness How to Change Your Mind by Michael Poland – Book referenced by Eagle about psychedelics Positive affect and markers of inflammation: discrete positive emotions predict lower levels of inflammatory cytokines – Journal reference by Eagle about positive thinking and inflammation The Power of Awe – Official website for book and information [email protected] – Email to connect with Jake Eagle Click here to purchase!! About our Guest – Jake Eagle, LPC & Author Jake Eagle is a psychotherapist, mindfulness instructor, and a fellow member trainer of the International Association of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. As the co-founder of Live Conscious, alongside his wife Hannah, Jake has a small number of private coaching clients. As a licensed mental health counselor for the past 27 years, now practicing as a meta-therapist, Jake recognizes the value of therapy and he also recognizes its limitations. His goal at Live Conscious has been to mentor people in what is possible beyond therapy. Jake is the author of Live a Conscious Life and The Power of Awe.   We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Click here to view Clarity, Healing & Purpose is Less Than a Minute Away, the Power of Awe with Jake Eagle – Transcripts Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.

Conflict in relationships is inevitable – find out the ins and outs of repair for healthy relationships. We are back with relationship expert, Dr. Stan Tatkin to explore the inner workings of relationships from a biological and societal perspective, and his new book, In Each Other’s Care. All humans are complicated creatures and if we spend enough time with each other, it’s going to get tense. That part is OK, but what happens after arguing disconnection or tension is what really matters. Sue Marriott & Dr. Tatkin take a deep dive into addressing conflicts, building secure attachments, and abandoning gender stereotypes for a more inclusive discussion. Follow along to explore healthy interdependence, couples’ purpose, and secure functioning. “A secure functioning partnership works on problems, not each other” – Dr. Stan Tatkin Time Stamps for In Each Other’s Care – Healthy Relationships 5:44 – Dr. Tatkin’s view on telehealth & virtual therapy 8:36 – How PACT approaches virtual therapy 16:05 – Understanding procedural memory 19:08 – Break down of insecure attachment 22:53 – What does secure functioning look like? 28:48 – Attachment in polyamorous relationships 37:47 – Exploring healthy interdependence in relationships 44:50 – An example of a couple’s purpose 53:41 – The importance of gender inclusivity when talking about relationships Resources for today’s episode, In Each Other’s Care – Healthy Relationships Stan Tatkin’s Website – Information about his practice, sessions The PACT Institute – Dr. Tatkin’s official website Relationships are Hard, but Why? – Dr. Tatkin’s TedTalk A free excerpt – from Dr. Tatkin’s new book @DrStanTatkin – Instagram account Dr. Stan Tatkin – Facebook Page @DrStanTatkin – Twitter account Dr. Stan Tatkin – LinkedIn account Dr. Tatkin’s newest book.       About our Guest – Stan Tatkin, PsyD, MFT Clinician, author, researcher, PACT developer, and co-founder of the PACT Institute. Dr. Tatkin is an assistant clinical professor at UCLA, David Geffen School of Medicine. He maintains a private practice in Southern California and leads PACT programs in the US and internationally. He is the author of We Do, Wired for Love, Your Brain on Love, Relationship Rx, Wired for Dating, What Every Therapist Ought to Know, and co-author of Love and War in Intimate Relationships, and the recent, In Each Other’s Care. If you enjoyed this one then catch our other interviews with Stan Tatkin. He has a great take on applying the principles of relational neurobiology to real life – check it out. https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu121-the-purpose-of-relationships-redefined-during-quarantine-with-stan-tatkin/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu12-if-its-not-good-for-you-its-not-good-for-us-interview-with-relationship-expert-stan-tatkin/ We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Click here to view today’s episode Transcripts Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups, and unique surprises! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Mental Health Liberation is our charity of choice – please consider giving whatever you can to support mental health access for those traditionally left behind and support training for BIPOC therapists.

Bonus Episode – Barbie isn’t anti-man – it’s anti-patriarchy “If you are a guy who doesn’t like the Barbie movie, it means you probably don’t like patriarchy.” Liz Plank The Barbie movie has sparked great controversy. While some claim it to be “anti-man” others view it as a strategic call out to the challenges both men and women face on a regular basis. We’ve learned to view the world through a patriarchal lens, so when it’s flipped only then can we see how those in power mistreat those who aren’t. This is pro-anyone wanting secure relating and mutuality – all genders welcome! Ann and Sue are joined by Liz Plank to dive into the symbolism of the Barbie movie and how it applies to real life and secure relating. Listen now to explore patriarchy, masculinity, and the hierarchies of our society – and important steps we can take to build security through vulnerability for a more inclusive world. “Pro-patriarchy hurts everyone where feminism liberates everyone.” – Liz Plank Patriarchy reversed – Secure relating and Barbie Time Stamps for Barbie Movie 5:30 – Finding security comes through vulnerability 10:12 – Looking at the different layers of feminism in the movie 14:29 – Understanding matriarchy 20:22 – Symbols of vulnerability 25:16 – Break down of Ken’s characters’ correlation between dominance and lack of happiness 26:51 – Men and understanding their idealized masculinity 33:54 – Why the “all men are bad” narrative can be destructive to feminism 37:04 – Break down of America Ferrera’s speech 39:01 – Reimagining masculinity for growth 46:51 – Who is Barbie? 51:18 – Correlation between power and mirror neuron system disengagement 57:51 – Do men and women feel security in the same ways? 1:03:59 – Toxic invulnerability instead of toxic masculinity 1:08:22 – Looking beyond the gender binary for repair 1:10:52 – Reframing to understanding inclusive hierarchies & masculinity are not all bad About our Guest – Liz Plank Liz is an award-winning journalist, international bestselling author and has been the executive producer and host of several critically acclaimed digital series at Vox Media and NBC News. She is the CEO of Liz Plank Productions and is a columnist for MSNBC and has been listed as one of Forbes’ 30 Under 30, Mediaite’s Most Influential in News Media, and Marie Claire’s Most Powerful Women, and was named one of the World’s Most Influential People in Gender Policy by Apolitical. Liz regularly appears on national and international television programs to provide a perspective on politics, gender issues, and reproductive rights, including The Today Show, The Daily Show, MSNBC, CNN, ABC News, Fusion, Al-Jazeera America, and BBC World. Through her activism and creative approach to journalism, Liz has made it her mission to elevate the voices of those who are often not heard. Before becoming a journalist, Liz worked at a community center for people with disabilities and was a researcher and behavioral science consultant at the London School of Economics, from which she holds a master’s degree in policy with an emphasis on global gender politics. Resources for today’s episode on the Barbie movie Loneliness and Social Isolation Linked to Serious Health Conditions – CDC study on isolation “Man Enough – Dating, Consent, Boundaries & Respect” – podcast with Jamey Heath & Justin Baldoni Barbie Movie – Info, description, cast & characters Don’t Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values & Frame the Debate by George Lakoff – Book referenced by Liz Plank Armchair Expert Podcast: Synced – New podcast with Monica Padman Airplane Mode – Liz Plank’s Substack @feministafabulous – Liz Plank’s Instagram @lizplank– Liz Plank’s Tiktok Facebook – Liz Plank’s Facebook page For the Love of Men: From Toxic to a More Mindful Masculinity – Liz Plank’s Book Elizabeth Planks’ Website – Resources, bios, and important links https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/tu119-for-the-love-of-men-rethinking-masculinity-with-liz-plank/ We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare and use a portion of the income we receive from corporate sponsors to do just that! We can only do that with the help of our Patrons – joining as a TU Neuronerd Podsquad premium subscriber, you support this mission and get a dedicated ad-free feed plus occasional very cool and unique study opportunities, reading groups and who knows what else may come! We invite you to join our community. Click here to join! Click here to view today’s episode on Please consider giving to Mental Health Liberation We support mental health access to those traditionally left out of mainstream hea

Explore attachment trauma with attachment assessment expert Dr. Carol George! We have the privilege of speaking again with Dr. Carol George, a pioneer in developing attachment assessments for children and adults. Based on her decades of experience identifying patterns she has a lot to teach us about what attachment disruptions really look like in real life and in therapy. This episode also explores concepts from her new book: Working with Attachment Trauma Clinical Application of the Adult Attachment Projective Picture System. Sue Marriott and Dr. George discuss ideas such as failed mourning, preoccupation with personal suffering and the current perspectives on what used to be called disorganized attachment. She co-authored the Adult Attachment Interview with Mary Main and created the Adult Attachment Projective Picture System, which is Sue’s go-to assessment for those looking to learn more about their implicit unconscious relational beliefs. With her decades of research, Dr. George offers unique and time-tested insights into applying the science of attachment and trauma. “We’re never trying to change anybody. We’re trying to capitalize on defensive strengths to create integration & to help people move towards the path to security.” – Dr. Carol George Time Stamps for Working with Attachment Trauma & Pathological Mourning 00:00:56 – Carol’s motivation for her new book 7:17 – A brief recap of the AAP 10:02 – What makes the AAP unique compared to other tests 12:31 – How to access your own AAP 20:17 – How do you talk to your clients about the results of their assessment? 23:52 – Understanding pathological mourning 25:25 – Introducing the terms failed protection and attachment trauma 30:05 – The relationship between failed mourning and dismissive attachment 31:24 – Exploring preoccupation with personal suffering 40:59 – Why does Dr. George not prefer the term “disorganized” 50:39 – “Anger is part of our biology” – Dr. George 55:28 – Techniques to help integrate past and present 1:12:51 – Discussing the Cowans family systems study Resources for today’s episode Attachment Trauma & Pathological Mourning [email protected] – Contact information if you’re interested in AAP Adult Attachment Publications – List of credible publications and learning materials Attachment Projective – Official website with training opportunities and resources Changing Families: A Preventive Intervention Perspective – Study by Carolyn & Phillip A. Cowan Attachment in Psychotherapy – Book by David J. Wallin, how attachment patterns feed into clinical work Ideal Parent Figure Protocol – Guided imagery created by David Elliott and Daniel Brown Click here to check out Dr. George’s newest book!! Related Therapist Uncensored Episodes w Dr. George – we’ve got so much to share!! https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/using-the-adult-attachment-projective-aap-assessment-with-carol-george/ https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/attachment-assessment-unpacked-163/ If you appreciate keeping this excellent content free and available for everyone, please consider joining our Neuronerd community. It’s starts at only $5 a month and gets you a corporate ad free podcast feed, bonus content and access to various educational and community opportunties. If you join at the Platinum Level or above, you will recognized on our website and can get your website hyperlinked to ours, which will help your SEO. 🙂 www.therapistuncensored.com/join   About our Guest – Dr. Carol George Carol George, Ph.D., is Professor Emerita of Psychology at Mills College in Oakland, California, and has been a pioneer in developing attachment assessments for children and adults. George is an internationally renowned attachment expert who was a co-director of the Mills College Infant Mental Health program for 21 years. Working alongside Dr. Main and Dr. Kaplan, her dissertation helped develop the Adult Attachment Interview. She is praised for her work as an author and editor, and is known for her contributions to attachment-based representative assessments like the Caregiving Interview, the Attachment Doll Play Projective Assessment, and “Disorganized Attachment and Caregiving,” alongside Judith Soloman. Her other contributions include “The Adult Attachment Projective Picture System” with Malcolm West. Although retired from being a professor, George is still incredibly active and stays busy being an assistant editor on the editorial board of Attachment and Human Development, as well as the Director of the AAP Training Consortium. Her dedication to education is still prevalent as she often hosts extensive clinical consultations with practicing therapists, graduate students, and other students of attachment. Join the Reading Pod! Want to take a deeper dive into this material? Join o