The Social-Engineer Podcast

Today we are joined by Gena Cox, PhD. Gena is a corporate adviser and executive coach known as a straight-shooter who also brings warmth and generosity of spirit to her partnerships. She guides CEOs, leaders, and boards as they respond to evolving stakeholder expectations and transformation driven by societal change and organic and M&A growth. Her differentiator is the nuanced insights and recommendations she brings from a lifetime of continuous multi-disciplinary learning, enabling her to offer clients uniquely invaluable insights. Her book, Leading Inclusion, is available wherever books are sold. The book catalyzes executive leaders to drive inclusion from the top of their organizations. [March 13, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:20 – Intro Links - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:43 - Gena Cox Intro 04:00 - What was the path to becoming a Leadership Advisor? 07:25 - Dealing With the Frustration 09:24 - The Immigrant Experience 11:27 - The Need for a Strategy 16:08 - Inclusion Tops Diversity 19:32 - Are You REDI? 20:52 - A Leadership Problem 24:33 - Chief Transformation Officer 27:21 - From the Top Down 30:33 - Don't Assume, Ask! 33:54 - Is there anybody listening? 38:05 - Find Gena Cox online - Website: https://genacox.com - LinkedIn: in/genacox - Instagram: @genacoxphd - Twitter: @genacox 38:54 - Book Recommendations - Can We Talk? - Roberta Chinsky Matuson - TED Talks - Chris Anderson - Leading Inclusion - Gena Cox 42:00 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors? - Maternal Grandmother - Lawrence W. Hamilton 45:19 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series - where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: The Illusion of Rational Thought. We will discuss the positives and negatives of rational decision making, as well as the role our emotions play in our decision making processes. [March 6, 2023] 00:00 - Intro 00:22 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 01:21 - Intro Links - Tuxcare – tuxcare.com - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 06:00 - The Topic of the Day: The Illusion of Rational Thinking 08:18 - The Difference "Framing" Makes 12:53 - Why "FREE" Isn't Free 17:49 - Western Influence 20:02 - Having More, Feeling Less 22:00 - Analysis Paralysis 28:33 - Embodied Cognition 30:21 - You're Getting Warmer 33:59 - Excitation Transfer Theory 35:13 - Let the Countdown Begin 39:02 - Emotional Responses 42:31 - Incidental Emotions 45:45 - Wrap Up - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 48:01 - Outro Find us online: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a - Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Mano, H. (1990). Emotional states and decision making. ACR North American Advances. DellaVigna, S. (2009). Psychology and economics: Evidence from the field. Journal of Economic literature, 47(2), 315-372. Nickerson, R. S. (1998). Confirmation bias: A ubiquitous phenomenon in many guises. Review of general psychology, 2(2), 175-220. Klein, N. H., & Oglethorpe, J. E. (1987). Cognitive reference points in consumer decision making. ACR North American Advances. Koop, G. J., & Johnson, J. G. (2012). The use of multiple reference points in risky decision making. Journal of Behavioral Decision Making, 25(1), 49-62. Seiler, M. J., Seiler, V. L., & Lane, M. A. (2012). Mental accounting and false reference points in real estate investment decision making. Journal of Behavioral finance, 13(1), 17-26. Bottom, W. P., & Studt, A. (1993). Framing effects and the distributive aspects of integrative bargaining. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 56, 459–474 So, J., Achar, C., Han, D., Agrawal, N., Duhachek, A., & Maheswaran, D. (2015). The psychology of appraisal: Specific emotions and decision-making. Journal of Consumer Psychology, 25(3), 359-371. Kristensen, H., & Ga¨ rling, T. (1997). Anchor points, reference points, and counteroffers in negotiations. Manuscript submitted for publication. Neale, M. A., Huber, V. L., & Northcraft, G. B. (1987). The framing of negotiations: Contextual versus task frames. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 39, 228–241 Broniarczyk, Susan M., Hoyer, Wayne D., & McAlister, Leigh (1998). Consumers' perceptions of the assortment offered in a grocery category: The impact of item reduction. Journal of Marketing Research, 35(May), 166–176. Carpenter, Gregory S., & Nakamoto, Kent (1989). Consumer preference formation and pioneering advantage. Journal of Marketing Research, 26(August), 285–298 Andrade, E. B., & Ariely, D. (2009). The enduring impact of transient emotions on decision making. Organizational behavior and human decision processes, 109(1), 1-8. Foglia, L., & Wilson, R. A. (2013). Embodied cognition. Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Cognitive Science, 4(3), 319-325. Wilson, A. D., & Golonka, S. (2013). Embodied cognition is not what you think it is. Frontiers in psychology, 4, 58. Wilson, M. (2002). Six views of embodied cognition. Psychonomic bulletin & review, 9, 625-636. Inagaki, T. K., & Eisenberger, N. I. (2013). Shared neural mechanisms underlying social warmth and physical warmth. Psychological science, 24(11), 2272-2280.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Feb 27, 2023] 00:00 - Intro 00:46 - Patrick Laverty Intro 01:40 - Intro Links - Tuxcare – tuxcare.com - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 06:11 - Todays Topic: Popular Scams and How They Work 08:21 - Let's Start with Romance Scams 10:10 - How it Starts 15:34 - Preying on Loss 17:01 - What about the IRS scams? 20:52 - Protecting the Grandparents 23:28 - Real Customer Service 27:32 - The Parent Trap 29:51 - Scamming Kids 32:00 - What can we do? 33:43 - The Next Steps 37:01 - The Power of Suggestions 39:27 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online - Chris Hadnagy - Twitter: @humanhacker - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy - Patrick Laverty - Twitter: @plaverty9 - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by Haseeb Awan. Haseeb is the CEO & Founder of Efani Secure Mobile, a company that works with ultra-high-net-worth individuals on their Mobile Security. Previously, he co-founded one of the largest Bitcoin ATM networks. He has been featured on NYT, TechCrunch, Wall Street Journal, Hulu, and several international media outlets. [Feb 20, 2023] 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Intro Links: - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Tuxcare – tuxcare.com - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:55 - Haseeb Awan Intro 05:23 - What led you from Bitcoin to Sim Swapping? 10:10 - More Than Financial Loss 12:27 - Protecting Something Out of Your Control 14:06 - It's About More than the Price 16:52 - Security vs Convenience 20:00 - Explaining Without Scaring 24:26 - The Importance of Stories 26:15 - Consider It Insurance 28:38 - Will the TelCos Follow Suit? 31:19 - Tips for a More Secure Company 32:33 - Book Recommendations: - Zero to One – Peter Thiel 34:08 - Find Haseeb Awan Online - Twitter: https://twitter.com/haseeb - Twitter: https://twitter.com/efani - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/efani/ - YouTube: https://youtube.com/@efani 34:52 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Dr. Cortney S. Warren, a board-certified clinical psychologist and former tenured associate professor of psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Dr. Warren is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. With almost 50 peer reviewed journal articles, 7 book chapters, two books, and 75 professional presentations, Dr. Warren's work appears in some of the field's top journals. She has won some of the most prestigious awards in her field. In addition to publishing in scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing psychological research to the general public. She works as a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. This month, she published a self-help book on love addiction and breakups called Letting Go of Your Ex. [Feb 13, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:22 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:01 - Dr. Cortney Warren Intro 05:51 - A Personal and Professional Merging of Experiences 07:41 - Freedom in the Hard Truth 09:43 - The Path from Honest Liars 11:54 - Core Struggle: Addictive Behaviors 15:09 - The War Inside Your Head 16:48 - Hold Up a Mirror 18:18 - The Role of Self Deception (In Love) 22:08 - Addicted to Love 24:40 - When the Honeymoon is Over 28:37 - Guided by Values 31:42 - The Importance of Alignment 34:10 - Leading By Example 36:06 - A Call for Compassion 38:49 - Find Dr. Cortney Warren online Website: https://drcortney.com/ LinkedIn: in/drcortney Instagram: drcortneywarren TikTok: @drcortneywarren Twitter: @DrCortneyWarren Psychology Today: Naked Truth Blog 40:09 - Who do you consider your greatest mentors? Jaine Strauss Nancy Raymond David Gleaves Antonio Cepeda-Benito 41:10 - My Grandmother: A Lesson in Resilience 44:09 - Book Recommendations Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl Up from Slavery - Booker T. Washington Letting Go of Your Ex - Cortney Warren 46:08 - Guest Wrap Up 46:48 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Information Elicitation. We will discuss what it is, why it's so important to use 'science-based interviewing', and why approaches that encourage cooperation are better than manipulation of information retrieval. [Feb 6, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:20 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:54 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:58 – The Topic of the Day: Information Elicitation 05:41 – How does your scientific research affect practitioners? 06:47 – Start with the Brain 07:32 – Elicitation: A Scientific Definition 09:36 – Weaponizing Elicitation 11:17 – It's Easier Than You Think 13:40 – The Perils of Poker Face 16:41 – Being on the Defensive 19:17 – Me, You, and Us 21:28 – The Verbal Approaches 25:16 – Collaboration is Key! 30:37 – An Effective Approach: Subliminal Priming 32:00 – "They'll Become What They're Called" 33:33 – This Applies to Life 35:07 – Make it Conversational 36:56 – The Scharff Technique 40:48 – Forensic vs Clinical 43:23 – Last Week on "24" 45:01 – Tips for the Boss: Shame Doesn't Work 49:41 – This is the Hardest Part 51:46 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Kong, Y., & Schoenebeck, G. (2019). An information theoretic framework for designing information elicitation mechanisms that reward truth-telling. ACM Transactions on Economics and Computation (TEAC), 7(1), 1-33. Lakin, J. L., Jefferis, V. E., Cheng, C. M., & Chartrand, T. L. (2003). The chameleon effect as social glue: Evidence for the evolutionary significance of nonconscious mimicry. Journal of nonverbal behavior, 27(3), 145-162. Tschacher, W., Rees, G. M., & Ramseyer, F. (2014). Nonverbal synchrony and affect in dyadic interactions. Frontiers in psychology, 5, 1323. Brandon, S. E., Wells, S., & Seale, C. (2018). Science‐based interviewing: Information elicitation. Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, 15(2), 133-148. Kong, Y., Schoenebeck, G., Tao, B., & Yu, F. Y. (2020, April). Information elicitation mechanisms for statistical estimation. In Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence (Vol. 34, No. 02, pp. 2095-2102). Shaw, D. J., Vrij, A., Leal, S., Mann, S., Hillman, J., Granhag, P. A., & Fisher, R. P. (2015). Mimicry and investigative interviewing: Using deliberate mimicry to elicit information and cues to deceit. Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, 12(3), 217-230. Baddeley, M. C., Curtis, A., & Wood, R. (2004). An introduction to prior information derived from probabilistic judgements: elicitation of knowledge, cognitive bias and herding. Geological Society, London, Special Publications, 239(1), 15-27. Deeb, H., Vrij, A., Leal, S., & Burkhardt, J. (2021). The effects of sketching while narrating on information elicitation and deception detection in multiple interviews. Acta Psychologica, 213, 103236. Boone, R. T., & Buck, R. (2003). Emotional expressivity and trustworthiness: The role of nonverbal behavior in the evolution of cooperation. Journal of Nonverbal Behavior, 27(3), 163-182. Culpepper, P. D. (2018). Creating cooperation. In Creating Cooperation. 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Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Jan 30, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:28 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:58 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 05:38 – "You never know" 06:51 – Todays Topic: The Role of Empathy in SE 07:02 – Empathy: A Definition 11:09 – 3 Kinds of Empathy 11:23 – Cognitive Empathy 12:21 – Emotional Empathy 13:00 – Empathic Concern 15:52 – The Role of Emotional Distance 16:57 – Learning Empathy 17:49 – What the Studies Show 19:56 – Keeping an Open Mind 21:35 – Letting Your Life Experiences Teach You 23:52 – The Social Media Bubble 25:55 – Expand And Listen 30:13 – Applying Empathy to Social Engineering 31:25 – Being Adversarial 32:45 – Don't Be the Bad Guy 38:33 – The Importance of "Why" 42:51 – Using Empathy to Make the Best Choice 48:07 – Using Empathy to Make the Hard Choice 49:55 – Practice Makes (Not Quite) Perfect 51:17 – Coming Up Next Month 52:08 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: com/in/plaverty9

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I will have a special discussion of the 2023 security landscape. [Jan 27, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:27 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:25 – Don't Forget Ryan 05:11 – What Are We Talking About: 2023 Edition 05:39 – 2022 Was Rough! 07:09 – Getting Everyone Else Up To Speed 09:24 – Hackers for Hire? 12:58 – Economic Crisis = Rise in Cybercrime 15:10 – Emotional Victimizing 18:08 – Losing the Teachable Moment 20:42 – Ransomware as a Growth Industry 24:20 – MFA for All! 27:15 – There is Hope 28:40 – Make It Personal 30:47 – A Tool is Just a Tool 33:25 – Don't Recycle 34:53 – Make it Hard! 36:29 – Gotta Get it Tailored 37:47 – Trust the Process 39:40 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck's writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub's Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:26 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro 03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy? 06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering 08:29 – Very Dark Grey 10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin 11:25 – Making OJ look good 15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't 19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth 21:13 – Setting boundaries 22:21 – Hacking people is easy 24:46 – Some need convincing 26:08 – Ransomware 28:38 – No spies here! 30:03 – This isn't going away! 31:08 – Knock, knock 32:35 – Hacking the human 34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online Website: www.robertkerbeck.com 35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors? Professor from Freshman Year Frank Abagnale 36:49 – Book Recommendations: Fair Game – Valerie Plame Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale RUSE – Robert Kerbeck 38:00 – Guest Wrap Up 38:26 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Shame. We will talk about how shame helps us, hinders us, why some people can deal with it and why some can't. We'll also discuss various coping strategies and more. [Jan 02, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:55 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:38 – The topic of the day: Shame 05:44 – Is there a positive side to shame? 07:29 – Directed by beliefs 09:02 – Cultural differences 10:14 – Shame's functionality 11:16 – Societal stigma 12:35 – How shame can hinder 16:36 – Literal shutdown 19:30 – Emotional Blunting 22:15 – Guilt vs Shame: Sense of Self 24:14 – Those who can, cope! 26:54 – When shame is a symptom 28:09 – Finding a support network 30:03 – The "core" of shame 33:45 – The road to Mindfulness 37:20 – Environmental Shame 38:34 – Horrifically fascinating 41:06 – You have to get out there! 43:00 – Tips for our younger listeners 45:25 – Remember Pen Pals? 46:44 – Wrap Up 47:39 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Burkitt, I. (2008). Social selves: Theories of self and society. Sage. Elison, J., Pulos, S., & Lennon, R. (2006). Shame-focused coping: An empirical study of the compass of shame. Social Behavior and Personality: an international journal, 34(2), 161-168. Garey, S. S. (1998). Long-term effects of sibling emotional and physical abuse on adult self-concept and the associated guilt and shame. United States International University. Gilchrist, J. D., Solomon-Krakus, S., Pila, E., Crocker, P., & Sabiston, C. M. (2020). Associations between physical self-concept and anticipated guilt and shame: The moderating role of gender. Sex Roles, 83(11), 763-772. Harper, J. M. (2011). Regulating and coping with shame. Re-constructing emotional spaces: From experience to regulation, 189-206. Hawes, D. J., Helyer, R., Herlianto, E. C., & Willing, J. (2013). Borderline personality features and implicit shame-prone self-concept in middle childhood and early adolescence. Journal of Clinical Child & Adolescent Psychology, 42(3), 302-308. Kinston, W. (1983). A theoretical context for shame. International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 64, 213-226. Krüger, S., & Rustad, G. C. (2019). Coping with shame in a media-saturated society: Norwegian web-series Skam as transitional object. Television & new media, 20(1), 72-95. Nathanson, D. L. (1987). The many faces of shame. In Partially based on a symposium held in Los Angeles, 1984 for the 137th Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.. The Guilford Press. Rüsch, N., Lieb, K., Göttler, I., Hermann, C., Schramm, E., Richter, H., ... & Bohus, M. (2007). Shame and implicit self-concept in women with borderline personality disorder. American journal of psychiatry, 164(3), 500-508. Scheff, T. J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic interaction, 26(2), 239-262. Tangney, J. P. (1996). Conceptual and methodological issues in the assessment of shame and guilt. Behaviour research and therapy, 34(9), 741-754. Taylor, P. J., McDonald, J., Smith, M., Nicholson, H., & Forrester, R. (2019). Distinguishing people with current, past, and no history of non-suicidal self-injury: Shame, social comparison, and self-concept integration. Journal of Affective Disorders, 246, 182-188. Taylor, T. F. (2015). The influence of shame on posttrauma disorders: have we failed to see the obvious?. European journal of psychotraumatology, 6(1), 28847.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Dec 26, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:29 – Patrick Laverty Intro 01:18 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 05:04 – Todays Topic: Dumpster Diving 06:27 – Shelby Dacko Intro 08:38 – Patrick's Pizza Adventure 14:34 – Who is Shelby? 15:51 – 9 Times 19:20 – The continuing importance of OSINT 20:44 – What are some "typical" goals for a "break-in"? 22:40 – Concerns with 3rd party security 23:08 – Shelby's nighttime find 26:37 – Shelby's Trash Talk 31:02 – All the luck 33:20 – A moment in time 35:37 – Situational Awareness 38:58 – The 4th Step 41:02 – Diversity of thought 42:06 – Cut me some SLACK 44:39 – "It's more about the raccoons" 46:50 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Today our guest is Steve Orrin. Steve is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cybersecurity, solution architecture, virtualization security, and federal project management. Orrin earned a Bachelor's in Honors Research Biology from Kean University. He currently serves as a Federal Chief Technology Officer and Senior PE for Intel Corporation. He is also a key advisor and subject matter expert in the emerging technologies space, providing guidance to the Public Sector, Defense, and Intelligence communities. [Dec 19, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:55 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:43 – Steve Orrin Intro 04:26 – How did a biologist become a CTO at Intel? 09:10 – The evolution of security attacks 12:22 – Humans are humans 13:18 – Higher-risk targets 13:54 – If I knew then...LISTEN! 15:09 – Speak the language 16:27 – Making limoncello out of lemons 17:36 – Check your ego 19:04 – The prerequisites 21:06 – A Self-fulfilling Prophecy of Awesome Things 22:15 – Perfection is the Enemy of Good 26:06 – Handling failure 28:12 – Culturing opportunities 30:37 – Ninja skills 32:07 – Have you had mentors in your career? Bruce Schneier David Riss 33:42 – Book Recommendations Good to Great – Jim Collins Built to Last – Jim Collins Applied Cryptography – Bruce Schneier 35:52 – Find Steve Orrin online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrin/ intel.com/publicsector 37:02 – Wrap Up 37:21 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Dorie Clark helps individuals and companies get their best ideas heard in a crowded, noisy world. She has been named one of the Top 50 business thinkers in the world by Thinkers50. She was honored as the #1 Communication Coach by the Marshall Goldsmith Leading Global Coaches Awards and one of the Top 5 Communication Professionals in the World by Global Gurus. She is the Wall Street Journal bestselling author of The Long Game, Entrepreneurial You, Reinventing You, and Stand Out, which was named the #1 Leadership Book of the Year by Inc. magazine. A former presidential campaign spokeswoman, Clark has been described by the New York Times as an "expert at self-reinvention and helping others make changes in their lives." She is a frequent contributor to the Harvard Business Review, and consults and speaks for clients such as Google, Yale University, and the World Bank. She is a graduate of Harvard Divinity School, a producer of a multiple Grammy-winning jazz album, and a Broadway investor. [Dec 12, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:18 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:37 – Dorie Clark Intro 04:01 – How did you decide to become a leadership expert? 05:26 – Defeating the "gatekeepers" 08:06 – The benefits of Social Proof 12:34 – Has the "long game" changed in the last 10 years? 15:36 – The rise of FOMO 18:19 – Getting back to long-term thinking 19:52 – You don't have to "Take the Leap!" 25:32 – Be 2 years older with straight teeth 27:42 – Confusing "busy" with "important" 31:40 – Deciding what to be bad at 36:16 – Who do you consider your mentor? Marshall Goldsmith 38:31 – Book Recommendations: The Thursday Murder Club – Richard Osman Influence – Robert Cialdini The Long Game – Dorie Clark Entrepreneurial You – Dorie Clark Reinventing You – Dorie Clark Stand Out – Dorie Clark 40:28 – Find Dorie Clark online Twitter: https://twitter.com/dorieclark LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doriec/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dorieclarkauthor/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dorieclark/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DorieClark Website: https://www.dorieclark.com 41:12 – Guest Wrap Up 41:35 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? We are all curious about the origins of evil and violence. We see a story on the news and ask ourselves, how could anyone do that? So, let's dive into how. We are not going to cover specific cases and talk about specific serial killers, because you lose the science and we "celebritize" serial killers. [Dec 05, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:19 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:52 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:37 – The topic of the day: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? 04:48 – Born this way? 08:25 – The "X" Factor 10:11 – Self-soothing 13:18 – The importance of Anxiety 14:34 – Made by the military 15:23 – You can't pick and choose 18:18 – Gag reflex 19:50 – Who's to blame? 20:59 – The "Criminal Gene" fallacy 24:39 – A happy ending 26:50 – "This isn't set in stone" 29:31 – Silver Linings 31:13 – "It's a bit of both" 32:02 – Misguided markers 35:42 – Is there prevention? 39:05 – Minority Report 41:18 – An unsupportive system 42:34 – Touch is vital! 45:26 – An interesting (NOT FUN!) quote 46:27 – Wrap Up 47:07 – The request lines are open! 47:35 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?. Johnson, B. R., & Becker, J. V. (1997). Natural born killers?: The development of the sexually sadistic serial killer. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 25(3), 335-348. Ioana, I. M. (2013). No one is born a serial killer!. Procedia-Social and Behavioral Sciences, 81, 324-328. Mitchell, H., & Aamodt, M. G. (2005). The incidence of child abuse in serial killers. Journal of Police and Criminal Psychology, 20(1), 40-47. Miller, L. (2014). Serial killers: I. Subtypes, patterns, and motives. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 19(1), 1-11. Wiest, J. B. (2016). Casting cultural monsters: Representations of serial killers in US and UK news media. Howard Journal of Communications, 27(4), 327-346. Wrangham, R. W., Wilson, M. L., & Muller, M. N. (2006). Comparative rates of violence in chimpanzees and humans. Primates, 47(1), 14-26. Newton-Fisher, N. E., & Thompson, M. E. (2012). Comparative evolutionary perspectives on violence. Marono, A. J., Reid, S., Yaksic, E., & Keatley, D. A. (2020). A behaviour sequence analysis of serial killers' lives: From childhood abuse to methods of murder. Psychiatry, psychology and law, 27(1), 126-137. Marono, A., & Keatley, D. A. (2022). An investigation into the association between cannibalism and serial killers. Psychiatry, Psychology and Law, 1-12. Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?. Njelesani, J., Hashemi, G., Cameron, C., Cameron, D., Richard, D., & Parnes, P. (2018). From the day they are born: a qualitative study exploring violence against children with disabilities in West Africa. BMC public health, 18(1), 1-7. Boyle, K. (2001). What's natural about killing? Gender, copycat violence and Natural Born Killers. Journal of Gender Studies, 10(3), 311-321. Formosa, P. (2008). The problems with evil. Contemporary Political Theory, 7(4), 395-415.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Nov 28, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:24 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:43 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:26 – Todays Topic: How do you become a Social Engineer? 05:16 – The Art of the Conversation 05:36 – The old college try! 07:49 – It's all in the report 11:37 – OSINT: The SE Lifeblood 13:53 – How do you learn this? 16:48 – Don't rely on tools, rely on OSINT 19:14 – The APSE origin story 25:13 – It's really about communication 25:45 – Learning from DISC 29:24 – It's not all bad 30:24 – This isn't 9 to 5 33:50 – Conversation with a purpose 34:57 – Back to the reports 38:27 – APSE and beyond 43:36 – Sorry...Invite Only 45:50 – 'Tis the season 46:41 – Never stop learning 48:27 – Always different, never boring 49:32 – The next generation 51:28 – Coming up next month 52:03 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Marc Ashworth is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cyber and physical security, IT/security architecture, project management, is an author and a public speaker. He is a board member of the St. Louis Chapter of InfraGard, Webster University Cyber Advisory board, Co-Founded the State of Cyber annual security conference, and a Lifetime member of FBI Citizens Academy, possessing security certifications in CISSP, CISM, CRISC, Security+ and other certifications. As the Senior Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer at First Bank, Marc currently oversees First Bank's information security, fraud, physical security, and the network services departments. He is also the 2022 Cyber Defense Magazine winner of "Top 100 CISOs in the World." [Nov 21st, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:49 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:15 – Marc Ashworth Intro 05:17 – What was the path that led you to InfoSec? 07:41 – Cultivating good security practices 09:31 – Learning to "scale" your security 11:22 – The value of Strategic Thinking 13:40 – It's all in the presentation 15:25 – The importance of Customer Service 18:32 – The Art of Translation 21:32 – Small Wins 24:34 – Letters to a young CISO 26:20 – Don't avoid Pen Testing! 28:11 – Adopting a "Partnership" mindset 30:30 – Long line of influence 33:40 – Book Recommendations We Are Legion (We Are Bob) – Dennis E. Taylor Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup – John Carreyrou The Goals Program – Zig Ziglar The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People – Stephen Covey 36:14 – Find Marc Ashworth online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/marcashworth/ 38:36 – Wrap Up 38:56 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Stephanie Paul. Stephanie is an actress, a trainer, and keynote speaker. She has over 30 years of experience in the entertainment industry and she uses that now as she coaches and trains executives, sales teams, Tedx speakers and experts of all kinds to become master communicators. She is also a proud member of EOA and on the board of the directors of the Alzheimer's Association in Orange County. She is an active member of WIB, and the Vice Chair of Young Women in Bio. [Nov 14th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:23 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:10 – Stephanie Paul Intro 02:59 – How did you go from acting to coaching communications? 06:34 – Dark Side of the Moon 08:03 – The Magic of Story 09:14 – Can anyone learn to use storytelling? 11:43 – Practice, practice, practice! 13:49 – How is storytelling used in Leadership? 16:31 – Reflecting your values 18:15 – The beauty of mistakes 21:32 – You're not born with it! 23:28 – Mentorship 28:32 – The importance of Accountability 30:10 – Make them want the banana 33:24 – Valley Girl 35:39 – Find Stephanie Paul online LinkedIn: in/stephaniepaulinc/ Facebook: @StephaniePaulInc Website: stephaniepaulinc.com/ 36:50 – Women In Leadership 37:49 – Book Recommendations: Be Exceptional - Joe Navarro- https://amzn.to/3E8v21I Conversational Intelligence – Judith Glaser - https://amzn.to/3hzy1bX The Magic of Story – Stephanie Paul - https://amzn.to/3UzytFP 40:55 – Who are your greatest mentors? Mother Dr. Betty Uribe 44:42 – Guest Wrap Up 45:17 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are not just going to talk about nonverbal communication at an observational level, but lay the ground work for a deeper understanding of nonverbals. Not just what certain behaviors tell us but WHY they tell us this, and where nonverbal communication originated from! [Nov 07, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 01:10 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 04:01 – The topic of the day: Nonverbal Communication 10:25 – Everything comes back to Darwin 15:25 – In Utero 18:54 – A picture speaks 1000 words 20:31 – More "nature" than "nurture" 23:20 – Cultural vs Universal Gestures 27:17 – Looking at "Intention" 32:24 – Linking Non-verbals to Intention 36:32 – The Doctor is REALLY in! 38:37 – Don't Look Up (or away!) 42:35 – Response Behavior 46:58 – Neuroception - Trust your gut! 53:48 – The Takeaway 56:04 – Man's Best Friend 57:13 – Wrap Up 58:53 – Book Recommendations The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals – Charles Darwin What Every BODY is Saying – Joe Navarro Bodily Communication – Michael Argyle The Naked Ape – Desmond Morris Emotions Revealed – Paul Ekman The Dictionary of Body Language – Joe Navarro 01:02:34 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Select research: Allen, S. (2018). The science of awe (pp. 58-69). Greater Good Science: John Templeton Foundation. Bargh J, Chartrand T (1999) The unbearable automaticity of being. Am Psychol 54: 462–479. Bousmalis, K., Mehu, M., & Pantic, M. (2013). Towards the automatic detection of spontaneous agreement and disagreement based on nonverbal behaviour: A survey of related cues, databases, and tools. Image and vision computing, 31(2), 203-221. Bryant, G. A. (2020). Evolution, structure, and functions of human laughter. In The handbook of communication science and biology (pp. 63-77). Routledge. Chakrabarty, S., Widing, R. E., & Brown, G. (2014). Selling behaviours and sales performance: the moderating and mediating effects of interpersonal mentalizing. Journal of Personal Selling & Sales Management, 34(2), 112-122. Chen M, Bargh JA (1999) Consequences of automatic evaluation: Immediate behavioral predispositions to approach or avoid the stimulus. Pers Soc Psychol B 25: 215–224. Demuru, E., & Giacoma, C. (2022). 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Detecting low rapport during natural interactions in small groups from non-verbal behaviour. In 23rd International Conference on Intelligent User Interfaces (pp. 153-164). Neidlinger, K., Truong, K. P., Telfair, C., Feijs, L., Dertien, E., & Evers, V. (2017, March). AWElectric: that gave me goosebumps, did you feel it too?. In Proceedings of the Eleventh International Conference on Tangible, Embedded, and Embodied Interaction (pp. 315-324). Parr, L. A., Micheletta, J., & Waller, B. M. (2016). Nonverbal communication in primates: Observational and experimental approaches. Pohjavaara, P., Telaranta, T., & Väisänen, E. (2003). The role of the sympathetic nervous system in anxiety: is it possible to relieve anxiety with endoscopic sympathetic block?. Nordic journal of psychiatry, 57(1), 55-60. Reissland, N., & Austen, J. (2018). Goal directed behaviours: the development of pre-natal touch behaviours. In Reach-to-Grasp Behavior (pp. 3-17). Routledge. 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Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Oct 24th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:58 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:28 – This month's dumpster dive: Great Stories 04:01 – Oceans 11 1/2: Ryan Didn't Die 05:14 – Let the testing begin! 06:36 – OSINT & Building a Pretext 10:06 – Never lose focus of your SCOPE 11:52 – Stay with the Pretext! 14:53 – Don't Drink & Shred 18:36 – Always working 19:55 – The Story Continues... 29:14 – You can't prepare for Bad Luck 35:04 – Being an advocate, not an adversary 36:46 – Not quite a clean getaway 38:40 – The value of stories 40:34 – Coming up next month 41:43 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Today our guest joining us is Kevin Gowen. Kevin serves as Chief Information Security Officer for Synovus and is responsible for information and cyber security, physical security, business continuity, fraud, and financial crimes. He was named Chief Information Security Officer in 2015. Gowen earned Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Mechanical Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology. He was a recipient of the James H. Blanchard Leadership award and was named Tech Exec Networks' Information Security Executive of the Year in May 2022. Gowen is an alumnus of Leadership Columbus and serves as a board member of the National Technology Security Coalition along with serving on multiple advisory boards and in industry group leadership roles. [Oct 17th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:56 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:55 – Kevin Gowen Intro 05:55 – What made you want to go into InfoSec? 06:56 – Managing Risk with teams of 10,000+ 08:24 – How do you stay in front of the next attack? 10:15 – Top 3 Talking Points to assure the stakeholders 11:27 – How do you educate the customer? 13:04 – The "push" during Cybersecurity Awareness Month 14:23 – That's not Amazon! 15:55 – How are you attracting and retaining talent during this employee drought? 20:23 – Poaching vs Developing 22:46 – Communicating the need for diversity down the ladder 24:25 – Cross-industry and Inter-department hiring 26:24 – If I knew then... 28:41 – Defining our "true" critical assets 30:03 – Be willing to be evaluated 32:32 – Who helped get you to where you are today? Father IBM Manager Allen Gula, Jr 34:47 – Find Kevin Gowen online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-gowen 35:59 – Book Recommendations The Leadership Challenge – Barry Posner The Founders Mentality – James Allen & Chris Zook Better Great Than Never – Lindsay Dare Shoop 39:28 – Wrap Up 40:13 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by David Hill. David is currently a licensed real estate broker in Massachusetts and is also a Success Certified Business Coach and Cardone University Sales Trainer. Davis has been a top producing real estate agent for over 18 years as well as a phone sales trainer with over 36 years' sales experience in multiple industries. David is also the host of the Path to Mastery podcast and the author of two books, "The Sales Playbook" and "Getting your Quality of Life back". David also enjoys traveling, spending time with his 3 daughters and his wife, and enjoys exercise as a triathlete who has competed in an Ironman Race. [Oct 10th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:20 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 01:41 – David Hill Intro 02:41 – How did you get started in sales? 03:51 – The way sales have changed over the decades 07:15 – Improving your quality of life 09:45 – Setting Standards 11:48 – Getting over the fear of setting boundaries 16:38 – The Power of Resilience 19:37 – Developing your own Grit 23:14 – Steps to finding your passion 28:48 – Strategic Thought Time 31:28 – Who are your greatest mentors? John Alexandrov Jim Rohn Jairek Robbins 33:42 – Book Recommendations: Shift - Gary Keller The Art of Impossible - Steven Kotler The Sales Playbook - David Hill 36:36 – Find David Hill online Website: www.davidhill.link Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DavidHillcoach/ 37:26 – Guest Wrap Up 37:54 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. This is Episode 181 and hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Joining Chris is co-host Dr. Abbie Maroño. Abbie is Director of education at Social-Engineer, LLC, and a perception management coach. She has a PhD in Behaviour analysis and specializes in nonverbal communication, trust, and cooperation. Today's conversation will be on the topic of Can You Fake It Till You Make It. [Oct 03, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:21 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 01:16 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:45 – The topic of the day: Can you fake it till you make it? 05:15 – The Power of the Mind 06:53 – The Placebo Milkshake 12:07 – The difference with disorders 14:09 – "I'm gonna be happy!" 15:55 – Facial Feedback Hypothesis 21:00 – The power of expression 22:18 – Botox for happiness? 30:27 – Power Posing 37:39 – V is for Victory! 39:07 – The basis of non-verbals 41:34 – Self Talk 44:34 – All or Nothing 47:37 – Public Speaking or Firing Squad? 49:34 – Book Recommendations You, Only Better – Nicholas Bate - https://amzn.to/3LTGkul Don't Sweat the Small Stuff – Richard Carlson - https://amzn.to/3C0eg3I 50:26 – Wrap Up 50:58 – Find us online Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 51:48 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Select research: Carney, D. R., Cuddy, A. J., & Yap, A. J. (2010). Power posing: Brief nonverbal displays affect neuroendocrine levels and risk tolerance. Psychological science, 21(10), 1363-1368. Coles, N. A., Larsen, J. T., & Lench, H. C. (2019). A meta-analysis of the facial feedback literature: Effects of facial feedback on emotional experience are small and variable. Psychological bulletin, 145(6), 610. Crum, A. J., Corbin, W. R., Brownell, K. D., & Salovey, P. (2011). Mind over milkshakes: mindsets, not just nutrients, determine ghrelin response. Health Psychology, 30(4), 424. Fischer, J., Fischer, P., Englich, B., Aydin, N., & Frey, D. (2011). Empower my decisions: The effects of power gestures on confirmatory information processing. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 47(6), 1146-1154. Garrison, K. E., Tang, D., & Schmeichel, B. J. (2016). Embodying power: A preregistered replication and extension of the power pose effect. Social Psychological and Personality Science, 7(7), 623-630. Gronau, Q. F., Van Erp, S., Heck, D. W., Cesario, J., Jonas, K. J., & Wagenmakers, E. J. (2017). A Bayesian model-averaged meta-analysis of the power pose effect with informed and default priors: The case of felt power. Comprehensive Results in Social Psychology, 2(1), 123-138. Hardy, J., Gammage, K., & Hall, C. (2001). A descriptive study of athlete self-talk. The sport psychologist, 15(3), 306-318. Kross, E., Bruehlman-Senecal, E., Park, J., Burson, A., Dougherty, A., Shablack, H., ... & Ayduk, O. (2014). Self-talk as a regulatory mechanism: how you do it matters. Journal of personality and social psychology, 106(2), 304. McIntosh, D. N. (1996). Facial feedback hypotheses: Evidence, implications, and directions. Motivation and emotion, 20(2), 121-147. Neal, D. T., & Chartrand, T. L. (2011). Embodied emotion perception: amplifying and dampening facial feedback modulates emotion perception accuracy. Social Psychological and Personality Science, 2(6), 673-678. Neary, N. M., Small, C. J., & Bloom, S. R. (2003). Gut and mind. Gut, 52(7), 918-921. Shackell, E. M., & Standing, L. G. (2007). Mind Over Matter: Mental Training Increases Physical Strength. North American Journal of Psychology, 9(1). Zamanian, A., Jolfaei, A. G., Mehran, G., & Azizian, Z. (2017). Efficacy of botox versus placebo for treatment of patients with major depression. Iranian journal of public health, 46(7), 982. Khademi, M., Roohaninasab, M., Goodarzi, A., Seirafianpour, F., Dodangeh, M., & Khademi, A. (2021). The healing effects of facial BOTOX injection on symptoms of depression alongside its effects on beauty preservation. Journal of cosmetic dermatology, 20(5), 1411-1415. Carter, Bradin T., "Is Botox A Safe And Effective Treatment To Reduce Symptoms Of Depression?" (2017). PCOM Physician Assistant Studies Student Scholarship. 404. https://digitalcommons.pcom.edu/pa_systematic_reviews/404

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Sept 26, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Patrick Laverty Intro 01:12 – The Origin Story 02:07 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 04:41 – The importance of knowing past breaches 06:20 – The Twitter Breach (The F.U.D. train) 12:25 – The Twillio Breach 13:02 – The rise of SMISHING 25:00 – "Don't click!" 28:42 – The Cisco Breach 29:19 – MFA Fatigue 36:18 – The role of Social Engineering in these attacks 39:40 – Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9 39:59 – Book (and Bees) Recommendations A BEEhavioral Lesson – Christopher Hadnagy 40:45 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Erin Maloney. Erin earned her Bachelor of Science degree in psychology from Saint Joseph's University in Philadelphia, PA. She then earned her master's degree in social work from Widener University in Chester, PA. Erin holds a license as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Erin has worked in the behavioral and mental health field for over 20 years. Her experience has included: case management, addiction counseling, behavioral specialty work, school based behavioral health services, and private practice. Erin has worked with a wide range of clients from young children to older adults with a variety of mental health needs. Erin is also the Director of Wellness for the Innocent Lives Foundation. She has a strong passion for the mission of the foundation to help protect innocent children. [Sept 19, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:24 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:54 – Erin Maloney Intro 04:11 – What motivated you to become a mental health expert? 06:58 – Helping the Helpers 09:26 – What is "burnout" and what does it look like? 12:35 – Tired or Exhausted? 13:26 – Where "burnout" can come from 14:12 – Burnout Prevention 15:35 – The Importance of "NO" 19:54 – How to get off the road to "burnout" 21:08 – When open communication isn't there 22:51 – The physical toll is real! 24:58 – What else can we do? (Mixing it up) 27:59 – Resources to help with burnout 31:10 – The "little things" help 32:01 – Is there anyone who helped you get to where you are? 34:35 – Book Recommendations The Cognitive Behavioral Workbook for Anxiety – William J. Knaus - https://amzn.to/3LqQNgk 36:53 – Find Erin Maloney online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/erin-maloney-lcsw Email: [email protected] 37:24 – Wrap Up 37:43 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today Chris is talking with Ronald E. Riggio, Ph.D., the Henry R. Kravis Professor of Leadership and Organizational Psychology and former Director of the Kravis Leadership Institute at Claremont McKenna College. Dr. Riggio is a social/personality psychologist and leadership scholar with more than a dozen authored or edited books and more than 150 articles/book chapters. His research interests are in leadership and organizational communication, particularly leader nonverbal communication, and emotional competence. He is part of the Fullerton Longitudinal Study that is examining leadership development across the lifespan (beginning at 1 year of age and continuing through adulthood). [Sept 12th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 00:20 – Intro Links 03:02 – Dr. Ron Riggio Intro 04:13 – How did you become a professor of leadership? 07:41 – What year did you start focusing on charisma? 09:16 – The importance of charisma for leadership 12:49 – How does one learn to develop personal charisma? 15:27 – How important is getting gestures right? 18:22 – The benefits of showing emotional expressions 21:41 – Dynamic Attractiveness 23:45 – What can I do to become a better leader? 26:51 – Transformational Leadership 28:34 – Leaders need to know their followers 29:41 – How do you lead at scale? 32:42 – Developing leadership capacity in others 35:44 – The attraction to the "Strong Man" 40:11 – Spare the rod 44:16 – Who do you consider your biggest mentors? Howard S. Friedman Bernard Bass 47:04 – Book Recommendations: Influence: Science and Practice - Robert Cialdini Leadership - James MacGregor Burns Daily Leadership Development - Ronald E. Riggio 50:58 – Find Dr. Riggio on the web Twitter: https://twitter.com/ronriggio Website: www.riggioleadership.org Blog Site: psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership 51:54 – Guest Wrap Up 52:28 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. This is Episode 177 and hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Joining Chris is co-host Dr. Abbie Maroño. Abbie is Director of education at Social-Engineer, LLC, and a perception management coach. She has a PhD in Behaviour analysis and specializes in nonverbal communication, trust, and cooperation. Today's conversation will be on the topic of Subliminal Persuasion. [Sep 05, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:27 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 01:07 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:26 – Why this podcast? 04:28 – The topic of the day: Subliminal Persuasion 05:46 – What is Subliminal Persuasion? 07:03 – The Coca-Cola & popcorn myth 09:08 – Judas Priest Lawsuit 10:32 – Sex on ice, does it work? 15:00 – Getting warmer... 16:08 – ...and colder 18:49 – The importance of being attentive 21:28 – Does it pass the smell test? 22:59 – Can Prime lead to Persuasion? 24:34 – The necessity of Motivation 27:05 – Does Belief play a role? 28:17 – The Smell of Fear 32:52 – Applying the Subliminal 38:58 – The limitations of application 41:26 – Subtle Psychology 44:33 – Book Recommendations Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior – Leonard Mlodinow 45:42 – Find Dr. Abbie Maroño on the web Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Website: https://www.abbiemarono.com/ 46:26 – Find Chris on the web Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy 46:41 – Wrap Up 47:59 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Select research: Chen, Z., Tan, Y., Zhang, Z., & Li, M. (2021). Research on subliminal visual messages based on EEG signal and convolutional neural network. In MATEC Web of Conferences (Vol. 336, p. 05014). EDP Sciences. Damaskinidis, G., & Kostopoulou, L. (2021). Intersemiotic Translation of Subliminal Messages in Brand Logos: A Qualitative Experimental Research. International Journal of Semiotics and Visual Rhetoric (IJSVR), 5(1), 1-14. Dijksterhuis, A., Aarts, H., & Smith, P. K. (2005). The power of the subliminal: On subliminal persuasion and other potential applications. The new unconscious, 1, 77-106. Epley, N., Savitsky, K., & Kachelski, R. A. (1999). What every skeptic should know about subliminal persuasion. Skeptical Inquirer, 23(5), 40-45. Hsu, L., & Chen, Y. J. (2020). Neuromarketing, subliminal advertising, and hotel selection: An EEG study. Australasian Marketing Journal (AMJ), 28(4), 200-208. Li, N., Juan, L., Xin, W., & Xiang-hong, S. (2011, March). Effect of sustained subliminal auditory stimulus on human emotion. In International Conference on Information Science and Technology (pp. 381-384). IEEE. Loersch, C., Durso, G. R., & Petty, R. E. (2013). Vicissitudes of desire: A matching mechanism for subliminal persuasion. Social Psychological and Personality Science, 4(5), 624-631. Riener, A. (2012). Subliminal persuasion and its potential for driver behavior adaptation. IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, 13(1), 71-80. Smarandescu, L., & Shimp, T. A. (2015). Drink coca-cola, eat popcorn, and choose powerade: testing the limits of subliminal persuasion. Marketing Letters, 26(4), 715-726. Strahan, E. J., Spencer, S. J., & Zanna, M. P. (2002). Subliminal priming and persuasion: Striking while the iron is hot. Journal of experimental social psychology, 38(6), 556-568. Zacharia, A. B., Hamelin, N., Harcar, T., & Rodgers, P. (2020). A Neuro Analysis of Static Subliminal Advertising in Packaging. EDITORIAL 77, 29, 81-104.

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Nishant Bhajaria. Nishant is an executive leader and industry-expert in the privacy and security space and currently serves as the Director of Privacy Engineering and Governance at Uber. He plays the critical role connecting engineering, legal, and leadership to ensure data protection for both the user and the business. Prior to Uber, Nishant spearheaded compliance and privacy engineering programs at Google, Netflix and Nike. He has a Master's Degree in computer science from Arizona State University In addition to speaking extensively in this space, Nishant also teaches courses around privacy, security and career development on LinkedIn Learning. Nishant authored Data Privacy: A Runbook for Engineers - a deep dive into strategies on effectively identifying, communicating and addressing privacy risks using technical strategies. [Aug 15, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:20 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:17 – Nishant Bhajaria Intro 03:33 – How did your career path start? 05:44 – Balancing security and the end-user experience 09:29 – How to introduce security and privacy concepts into a pre-existing infrastructure 13:50 – Balancing technological freedom with security for your family 19:28 – Bridging divisions for the sake of privacy and security 22:09 – Creating better industry standards 26:28 – How to handle your platform becoming weaponized 30:53 – The ethical issue of data use 35:11 – The role of Social Engineering in privacy and security 39:14 – 3 action steps that companies should start doing right now 42:56 – Find Nishant online LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nishantjb/ Certification: https://dataprotocol.com/pe-certification 44:24 – Book Recommendations Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny – Robert Wright Team of Rivals– Doris Kearns Goodwin Data Privacy: A Runbook for Engineers – Nishant Bhajaria 47:13 – Wrap Up 47:41 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today Chris is talking with Hala Taha. Hala, who has been dubbed the "The Podcast Princess," is the host of Young and Profiting (YAP) Podcast, which is frequently ranked as a #1 Education podcast across all apps. Hala is also the founder and CEO of YAP Media, a social media and podcast marketing agency for top podcasters, celebrities and CEOs. She is well-known for her engaged following and influence on LinkedIn, and she landed the January 2021 cover of Podcast Magazine. Hala is an expert on networking, personal branding, leadership, social media, side hustles, entrepreneurship and podcasting. [Aug 8th, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:05 – Hala Taha Intro 03:14 – How did you end up running a media company? 05:43 – The journey towards starting YAP Media 07:01 – The early days of podcasting 09:22 – Resources for podcasting (2018 vs 2022) 10:38 – How did you transform a podcast into a media company? 16:20 – Taking Risks vs Being Smart 18:29 – The importance of pure intentions 20:44 – The secrets to finding like-minded team members 21:56 – What have been your biggest struggles while growing your company? 22:52 – Quality time with a remote team 24:51 – Maintaining the work-culture across time zones 26:35 – Tips for starting out 30:25 – Building the right foundation 32:27 – Find Hala online Podcast link: https://linktr.ee/YAPwithHala Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Twitter: https://twitter.com/YAP_Podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ 33:15 – Who have been your mentors? Father Heather Monahan Jordan Harbinger 35:21 – Book Recommendations: The Like Switch – Jack Schafer 36:17 – Guest Wrap Up 36:28 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by the Chief Operating Officer of the ILF, Shane McCombs. Shane leads the ILF with more than 25 years of experience in the tech industry, including more than a decade of experience in C-level roles. He led enterprise-wide initiatives within project management, customer relationship management and acquisition, policies and procedures, process improvement, and infrastructure. Shane is also an accomplished public speaker and trainer focused on change management, professionalism, social engineering, and corporate security. In the past, he volunteered for the Autism Hope Alliance and currently donates his time to businesses and non-profits as a trusted advisor. [July 18, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 01:02 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:41 – Shane McCombs Intro 06:14 – What got you started off in InfoSec? 08:36 – What led you to want to do more in the industry? 10:40 – "Throwing your hat in the ring" 17:31 – Cybersecurity for kids and parents 19:52 – How to "minor" in a "major" topic 22:29 – Age appropriate conversations 25:12 – Additional concerns in the summer months 28:38 – The TRUST Framework 31:40 – The importance of communication 33:59 – When and how to introduce electronic monitoring 40:16 – The "stats" of ILF 43:50 – Who is your biggest mentor? - his wife 45:32 – Book Recommendations Going Pro - Tony Kern The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People – Stephen Covey Neuromancer - William Gibson 48:44 – Wrap Up 49:29 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today Chris is talking with Laurie Segall. Laurie is the founder of Dot Dot Dot, a media company focused on onboarding the mainstream into a new era of the internet, Web3. Laurie is an award-winning journalist who has interviewed the world's most influential tech leaders including Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook. Prior, she was CNN's senior tech correspondent, covering technology and culture for a decade and a former reporter for 60 Minutes. [July 11, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:23 – Laurie Segall intro 04:20 – Starting your career in the "wee hours" 07:54 – Was journalism always the goal? 12:31 – Navigating chaos 15:57 – Taking on Revenge Porn 21:20 – What motivated you to write about your life so early? 24:46 – Writing during the pandemic 29:50 – How lobsters grow 35:44 – Building a company 38:40 – Wearing 2 hats 40:54 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? CNN Digital – Susan Grant 43:38 – Book Recommendations: Slouching Towards Bethlehem - Joan Didion (Laurie's book) Special Characters - Laurie Segall 45:56 – Find Laurie Segall online Website link: https://www.d3network.io/ Instagram: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network Twitter: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network 48:32 – Guest Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Ted Harrington. Ted is the author of HACKABLE: How to Do Application Security Right and the Executive Partner at Independent Security Evaluators (ISE), the company of ethical hackers famous for hacking cars, medical devices, and password managers. Ted has been named both Executive of the Year by the American Business Awards and an SD Metro 40 Under 40 entrepreneur. Ted has been featured in more than 100 media outlets, including The Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, and Forbes. [June 20, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:56 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:32 – Ted Harrington Intro 03:21 – How did you start off in this industry? 06:15 – Explain it like I'm 12 years old 07:59 – The origins of ISE 09:32 – Is there a "perfect" Password Manager? 14:11 – How to communicate at the executive level 16:54 – The right and wrong ways of investing in security 25:17 – Responsible Disclosure 29:04 – The challenges of the Medical Device field 32:39 – The problem with legislation driving security 34:20 – The manufacturers' role in safety and security 36:00 – Who is the book "Hackable" for? 38:05 – Find Ted online Twitter: https://twitter.com/securityted LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/securityted Website: https://www.tedharrington.com 38:37 – Book Recommendations Retail Pride - Ron Thurston Art of Resilience – Hussein Al-Baiaty 41:04 – Who is your biggest mentor? Business Partner – Steve Bono 45:35 – Wrap Up 46:17 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today Chris is talking with Clay Drinko, Ph.D. Clay is an author and educator. He writes for Psychology Today about the intersection between improv comedy, science, and everyday life. He's also the author of the first academic book connecting improv and cognitive science, Theatrical Improvisation, Consciousness, and Cognition. His most recent book, Play Your Way Sane, was published by Simon & Schuster last year and applies his improv research to everyday life. [June 14, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:27 – Clay Drinko intro 03:27 – How does someone in Improv decide to study Cognitive Science? 05:46 – Losing anxiousness through performance 07:34 – The importance of a shift in focus 08:52 – Active Listening 11:41 – Yes, and... 14:01 – Don't try to be funny 15:54 – Establishing "who" and "where" you are 18:57 – How do you apply Cognitive Science to the idea of improv? 21:56 – Leaving your "baggage" at the door 25:13 – Managing the negative 26:40 – What are the biggest life skills you've learned from improv? 28:13 – Reflective questioning - Empathy or Selfishness? 31:03 – You are not special 34:29 – Do you want my help? 37:37 – Find Clay Drinko online Website link: www.playyourwaysane.com Instagram: www.instagram.com/playyourwaysane 38:13 – Book Recommendations: Americanah - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie Educated - Tara Westover Unmasking the Social Engineer - Christopher J. Hadnagy Nightbitch - Rachel Yoder Clay's Book – Play Your Way Sane - Clay Drinko 40:34 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? Advisor and Professor – Shirley Huston-Findley 43:14 – Guest Wrap Up 44:04 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Adam Glick. Adam is currently the Chief Information Security Officer for SimpliSafe in Boston, MA. In this position and his previous jobs, Adam has had the responsibility of managing all matters pertaining to information security, risk, policy, and procedures. Adam is currently an adjunct professor at Boston College in the cybersecurity policy & governance program, and an adjunct professor of IT in the MBA program at the School of Business at Providence College. Outside of the office, he is a car and technology enthusiast along with an avid reader, hiker, cyclist, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner. [May 16, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:56 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:52 – Adam Glick Intro 04:05 – How did you get started in Information Security? 05:10 – Applying a background in teaching to InfoSec 06:37 – Developing security programs for different environments 08:14 – Getting people to think about security 09:32 – Microtraining: Updating the way that we train for security 12:10 – The importance of security in our Professional and Personal lives 14:28 – Customizing security training for large companies 15:29 – Approaching security from a Top-Down perspective 17:20 – Getting top management to support security training 20:55 – Action steps for companies to focus on Cyber Hygiene Risk Based Methodology 23:22 – How can companies assess their own risk? 26:55 – Internal interviews to build security protocols 28:47 – Jiu Jitsu Security??? 29:58 – How to contact Adam online LinkedIn: in/glickadam/ 31:19 – Who are your greatest mentors? Donald Schattle David Sherry Walt Czerminski 33:17 – Book Recommendations Good to Great – James C Collins The Hobbit / Lord of the Rings series – J.R.R. Tolkien The Witcher Saga – Andrzej Sapkowski 36:33 – Wrap Up 37:32 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we will be talking with Abbie Maroño, a nonverbal communications and social influence coach. Abbie published her first paper in nonverbal communication at 19 years old, going on to do her PhD in behavior analysis and become a university lecturer at 23. She now directs a research group, BRINC, alongside her coaching and teaching. [May 9, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:52 – Abbie Maroño intro 04:47 – At what point in your life did you want to become a Nonverbal expert? 06:56 – The reality of getting to where you want to be 08:39 – What kept you going after rejections? 11:15 – How does a person learn to find their passion? 14:06 – How did you decide to make Nonverbal Communications a career? 17:53 – How important is Open VS Closed Body Language? 23:00 – What is orientation and why does it matter? 27:49 – The role of body language in a virtual setting 33:30 – The "perception" of eye-contact in a video call 35:31 – Find Abbie Maroño on the web Website link: abbiemarono.com Twitter: @abbiejmarono LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abbie-maroño-35ab2611a 36:05 – New Job Announcement 38:16 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? Dr David Keatley Joe Navarro 41:16 – Book Recommendations: The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel van der Kolk What Every BODY is Saying – Joe Navarro Unmasking the Social Engineer - Christopher J. Hadnagy The Code of Trust - Robin Dreeke The Timeline Toolkit - David Keatley The Polyvagal Theory - Stephen Porges 43:47 – Guest Wrap Up 44:17 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Patrick Laverty. Patrick is the Senior Team Lead at Social Engineer, LLC, working with an incredible team of professional social engineers. He was previously a senior penetration tester at Rapid7 and a member of the CSIRT at Akamai. He is a co-organizer of the Layer 8 Conference and is the host of the Layer 8 Podcast on social engineering and OSINT. He lives in Rhode Island with his daughter, dog and two cats. [April 18, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:50 – Patrick Laverty intro https://layer8conference.com 02:19 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 04:38 – Security Awareness in the world today 05:25 – Malicious Domain Registrations 06:58 – Protecting yourself from false domains 11:24 – CISA Alert / Shields Up 12:36 – Lowering Reporting Thresholds 13:33 – Empowering Security Information Officers 16:50 – Tabletop Exercises 19:20 – Planning for Continuity 21:09 – Beyond the Financial Effects of Ransomware 24:29 – Trying to protect the Healthcare Sector 25:27 – Backup & Recovery Process 28:38 – The source of Ransomware 30:03 – Planning for a Ransomware attack 31:51 – Why your site will be attacked 33:41 – 3 Actionable Tips 35:30 – Book Recommendations Thinking, Fast and Slow– Daniel Kahneman How to Win Friends & Influence People– Dale Carnegie Delivered from Distraction – John Ratey Fixed – Amy Herman Going Pro – Dr Tony Kern 38:20 – Wrap Up 39:18 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we will be talking with Vanessa Bohns. Vanessa is a social psychologist and professor of organizational behavior at Cornell University. She holds a PhD from Columbia University and an AB from Brown University. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review, and her research has been widely featured in the media, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Economist, and on NPR's Hidden Brain. Her first book, You Have More Influence Than You Think, was just published in September 2021. [April 11, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 01:53 – Vanessa Bohns intro 02:43 – How did you make Social Influence your field? 05:48 – Why do we assume people will be negative when we make a request? 08:01 – The surprising results of asking for things 11:12 – We are wired to be agreeable 13:34 – What are the security implications of our default attitudes? 16:59 – What are the consequences of underestimating your own influence? 19:32 – Understanding how the situation can influence ethics 21:05 – What would you say is your favorite find? 21:48 – Enlisting someone to influence their ethics 24:00 – Paying attention to the human side of security 25:04 – What is your next study? 27:11 – The importance of a predefined script 28:54 – Will "keywords" change a person's sense of agreeability? 30:10 – Recognizing your own influence 31:41 – Who would you consider some of your biggest mentors? Frank Flynn – Professor Father 33:39 – Book Recommendations: Bird by Bird – Anne Lamott An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth – Chris Hadfield (Vanessa's Book) You Have More Influence Than You Think – Vanessa Bohns 35:47 – Guest Wrap Up 36:17 – Find Vanessa Bohns on the web Website link: vanessabohns.com Twitter: @profbohns Instagram: @profbohns LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessa-bohns-33219710/ 36:49 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month we are joined by Dr. Camille Preston, who is the CEO and founder of AIM Leadership. Since founding AIM Leadership in 2004, she has worked with leaders across sectors and the capital stack. As a business psychologist, Camille brings research and insights from psychology, neuroscience, and business to her work. Whether supporting Fortune 500 leaders, startup founders, or C-suite executives in healthcare, Camille's sweet spot is helping uncover hidden barriers to increase the capacity to optimize, innovate, and manage change. In addition to working as a coach and business psychologist, Camille is author of two books, a regular contributor to several established publications in the business and psychology fields, and the author of a growing library of actionable resource tools. A life-long challenge seeker, Camille has lived on four continents, worked on six, and traveled extensively. [March 14, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 01:25 – Dr. Camille Preston Intro 02:43 – How did you get into this? 05:02 – The Journey to Awareness & Mindfulness 06:39 – Building Mindfulness 08:32 – Horizontal VS Vertical Development 10:00 – Gateways of Vertical Development 11:41 – Owning Mistakes 14:02 – Planning For Problem Solving 15:12 – Building Trust 16:21 – Authentic Connections in a Virtual World 19:24 – Mental Health Pandemic 21:25 – The Importance of Great Leadership 22:41 – Integrating Head and Heart 23:53 – What makes someone "all heart"? 26:51 – The Importance of Leaving Your Country 29:45 – Who are your greatest mentors? 33:36 – Book Recommendations: Sogyal Rinpoche – The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying - https://amzn.to/3sV7nxq Steven Kotler – https://amzn.to/3IZRStD Dave Asprey – Game Changers - https://amzn.to/3IZ1zZg Naomi McDougall Jones – The Wrong Kind of Women - https://amzn.to/3KrLVWP (Camille's Book) Camille Preston – Create More Flow - https://amzn.to/3sVRDKB (Camille's Book) Camille Preston – Rewired - https://amzn.to/3pQvCuM 35:21 – Guest Wrap Up Twitter: http://twitter.com/CamilleP LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/camillepreston/ AIM Leadership: https://aimleadership.com/ 35:37 – Outro

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Kathleen (Kate) Mullin. Kate is an influential information security practitioner with over 30 years of experience. Kate currently is CISO with Cancer Treatment Centers of America. Kate has been CISO at various organizations including start-ups, publicly traded, private equity, not-for-profit, and governmental entities. Throughout her career, Kate has volunteered and participated in maturing information security as a profession. She volunteers with ISC(2) and ISACA and has been a member of the ISACA CGEIT Certification and Credentials Committee and a chapter president. Kate serves as a featured international speaker and panelist. She has a BSBA from St Joseph's College and an MBA from Florida Metropolitan University. Kate is also certified as a Master Level Social Engineer. [February 21, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org Human Behavior Conference 03:09 – Kathleen Mullin intro 04:25 – How did you get started in Information Security? 06:39 – What are some indicators that tells you something is ineffective? 10:21 – Do you think the "cookie cutter" type of training is a reflection on the security awareness team itself? 12:16 – How can you offer the more personalized training to a company that is spread out all over the U.S. or the globe? 16:31 – Is having someone in this position who is focused on the people and the results the way to go about having the program be successful? 18:09 – What are your major security concerns being in the healthcare industry, and how are you dealing with those? 21:08 – We are seeing SMishing attacks becoming more prevalent in general. Are you seeing that happening in your industry? 22:47 – Caring about employees' security outside of work as well 23:35 – What are some action steps that any company can start doing right now? Have metrics and measure training effectiveness Humanize your training Incremental steps Care about your users for real 26:11 – Demoralizing phishing techniques 28:15 – Book Recommendations: Martha Wells - Murderbot Diaries series Robin Dreeke – Code of Trust Textbook - Enterprise Security Architecture 30:13 – Who would you consider your greatest mentor? Father, Naval pilot/engineer Chris Hadnagy Michele Fincher David Lynus from the SABSA Institute 34:27 – Finding Kate on the web: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katemullin/ 35:17 – Guest Wrap Up 36:00 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by John Strand from Black Hills Information Security. John has both consulted and taught hundreds of organizations in the areas of security, regulatory compliance, and penetration testing. He is a coveted speaker and much-loved SANS teacher. John is a contributor to the industry-shaping Penetration Testing Execution Standard and 20 Critical Controls frameworks. He enjoys mountain biking, getting hurt mountain biking, sucking at surfing, and heavy music. January 17th 2022 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/ 02:40 – John Strand Info 03:31 - ILF 04:51 - Ryan intro 06:30 – Chat about Chris getting his company started 08:21 - How did you get started with your own company? 12:17 - Cows 14:56 – The idea of travel and never seeing your family 15:57 - What was the point where you started to feel "this company is going to work" 18:35 – Creating company loyalty 22:06 - "Pay What You Can" training 30:22 – More on how the pandemic changed workflow 34:03 – More on pay-what-you-can training – management of 5,000 people 41:41 – How can someone take action right now? 44:59 – Favorite Books Dune All the Birds In The Sky – Charlie Jane Anders - https://amzn.to/3I9lu75 We - Yevgeny Zamyatin - https://amzn.to/3Ihoy1b The Master and Margarita – Mikhail Bulgakov - https://amzn.to/3Kl6t3R The Mistborn Series – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/33qcnQH The Way of The Kings – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/3tuF1uJ 47:55 – Who is your biggest mentor Ed Skoudis 51:34 – Guest Wrap-Up 52:30 - Outro

This is a special edition of Social-Engineer's Human Element Series Podcast. Chris Hadnagy will discuss Covid-19 testing site scams, and how you can protect yourself against them. [January 14, 2022] 00:00 – Intro social-engineer.com/ social-engineer.org/ innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 00:21 – Covid-19 Testing Site Physical Scams 05:46 – Other types of scams during Covid-19 06:44 – Outro http://www.social-engineer.com/ https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb http://www.pro-rock.com/ http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, "Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021. She is also going to be bringing her fascinating training seminar to the Human Behavior Conference this March! [January 10, 2022] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/ 02:39 - Amy Herman Intro 04:17 – Tell us how you got to where you are today 07:12 – How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs? 10:00 – Is there an equation or secret about how an every day person can use that skill? 13:33 – Amy's new book, "Fixed" 15:00 – How did you come up with the concept of this book? 18:00 – What is the hope you want for people who read this? 19:52 – How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence? 25:55 – Are you going to keep virtual training? 29:50 – Being more empathetic and finding common ground 32:31 – Can you explain "pertinent negative" from your book? 35:34 – Tell the story about your book cover 40:36 – Besides yours what are some of your favorite books? (Amy's book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving (Amy's book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown 43:27 – Who is your greatest mentor? Angela Merkel 45:15 – Guest Wrap Up Website: www.artfulperception.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/AmyhermanAOP Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Adam Levin. Adam is a nationally recognized expert on cybersecurity, privacy, identity theft, fraud, and personal finance and has distinguished himself as a fierce consumer advocate for the past 50 years. Adam is the former Director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs, and currently is the founder of CyberScout and co-founder of Credit.com. He is also author of the critically acclaimed book Swiped: How to Protect Yourself in a World Full of Scammers, Phishers, and Identity Thieves. Adam is also the host of the podcast What the Hack with Adam Levin, where they talk to fascinating people about the most terrifying things that ever happened to them in cyberspace. December 20, 2021 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/ 03:26 - Adam Levin Intro 04:37 – How did you get started in the industry? 07:42 – What has the shift been like in the types of attacks from the 90s until now? 09:53 – How does the recent Robinhood breach tie into what we're discussing? 12:00 – What should people be focusing on when they hear stories like this? 14:28 – Do these simplistic solutions really work? 18:45 – What type of advice would you give to companies that have public facing employees? 20:22 – You said something interesting earlier, "the company has to deal with it empathetically". What does that mean to you? 24:51 – Empathy, continued 30:22 – What do you see coming in the near future, what types of scams will become popular? 33:53 – What are some things people can look out for to avoid scams? 38:20 – Do you find that catastrophe and the emotional factor is used to get people to fall for scams? 41:39 – Finding Adam on the web: www.adamlevin.com https://adamlevin.com/what-the-hack/ 42:57 – What are some action steps corporations can take to protect themselves? 45:13 – Who is your greatest mentor? Virginia Long, director of Consumer Affairs Ian Cohen – CEO of Lokker, a privacy company Bill Tait – Vice Chairman at Humana Jennifer Leuer – came from Experian 47:40 – Book Recommendations Condor – TV Show Spy novels (none specifically suggested) authors: Tom Clancy, Brad Thor, Vince Flynn Yellowstone – TV Show series FBI series and all spinoffs 49:16 – Outro www.innocentlivesfoundation.org www.social-engineer.com www.pro-rock.com

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by our good friend, Anne-Maartje Oud. For 20 years Anne-Maartje has been a behavioral advisor, consultant, chairwoman, and keynote speaker. On top of that she is the CEO and founder of The Behavior Company based in Amsterdam where she helps customize personal development programs for companies and organizations worldwide. Anne-Maartje is also a trainer who gives lectures and training at several universities in the Netherlands. She is also going to be a trainer at the Human Behavior Conference in March 2022. [December 13, 2021] 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/ 03:12 – Anne-Maartje intro 04:22 – What got you started in conflict resolution? 06:23 – Can you teach people to control behavior that's based on emotion? 08:53 – Before words come out, what would you tell someone to do to not react and show that emotion? 12:30 – How do you start a conversation that leads to some benefit? 15:35 – What if that doesn't work? 17:41 – How do you instruct people to remember it all? 19:51 – How important is understanding for managers and leaders? 20:52 - How would you instruct managers to go about learning this? 22:27 – Do you find that companies that have upper level management that focus on behavioral analysis have less conflict down the ladder? 27:01 – HuBe Con – what will you do there? 29:24 – Joe Navarro co session – what is that session all about? 36:51 – Finding Anne Maartje on the web: www.twitter.com/BehaviourC www.twitter.com/annemaartjeoud https://www.linkedin.com/in/annemaartjeoud/ www.behaviourcompany.eu 37:39 – Book Recommendations: Shakespeare's Plays – favorite is Hamlet 39:24 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? Joe Navarro 41:09 – Outro www.humanbehaviorcon.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org www.pro-rock.com

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Paul Asadoorian. Paul is the founder of Security Weekly, a security podcast network. Paul spends time "in the trenches" coding in Python, testing security products and evaluating and implementing open-source software. Paul's career began by implementing security programs for a lottery company and then a large university. As Product Evangelist for Tenable Network Security, Paul also built a library of materials on the topic of vulnerability management. When not hacking IoT devices, web applications or Linux, Paul can be found researching his next set of headphones, devices for smoking meat, and e-bikes. November 15, 2021. 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org Human Behavior Conference 03:34 – Paul Asadoorian Intro 05:08 – How did you get started in infosec? 13:19 – When did you decide you were going to start a podcast? 24:26 – What have you learned from the guests you've had on your podcasts over all of these years? 27:00 – What is your perspective on the shifting of hacking culture in the community? 34:53 – What are the best qualities someone could have to be attractive to a potential employer in this industry? 37:14 – How do we get the younger generation to have the qualities we are not seeing? 41:38 – Who is your greatest mentor? Laurie Baker Stephen Northcutt @ SANS Ed Skoudis @ SANS 46:00 – Book Recommendations Code Girls The Phoenix Project The Unicorn Project Countdown to Zero Day The Cuckoo's Egg Cyberpunk 51:00 – Guest Wrap Up https://securityweekly.com www.twitter.com/securityweekly 53:31 – Outro innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Marilise de Villiers. Marilise is a mindset and performance coach, a TEDX speaker, and a cybersecurity awareness, culture, and talent expert. While at one time she was a female executive in a Big Four consulting firm she is now the founder and CEO of her own company, ROAR! Coaching and Consulting, which helps people find their purpose, their power, and gives people the courage to speak their truth. November 8, 2021 00:00 – Intro Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org Human Behavior Conference 04:35 – What made you leave an amazing corporate company and forge a path for yourself? 08:09 – How did you escape the bad things in your life and turn into a person who helps other people find their strength? 10:47 – How did you get out of the cycle of abuse? 14:42 – Figuring out the role you play and taking back the power 17:06 – Finding a hobby 21:00 – How did you come upon this trifecta of things to better yourself? 25:10 –What have you found is the overwhelmingly common problem that people have when you first start working with them on bettering themselves? 27:56 – Changing your "self" view 30:32 – What would be a suggestion to give someone to "start today"? 34:35 – How do you suggest people find balance when most of us have spent most of our lives being imbalanced? 37:20 – How has this life change for you affected your kids? 38:55 – Who do you consider your greatest mentors? Family: Mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather Brendon Burchard Tony Robbins Dean Graziosi Maya Camerota 41:05 – What books would you recommend to our listeners? Marilise's Book – Roar!: How To Tame The Bully Inside and Out Radical Compassion – Tara Brach Think And Grow Rich – Napoleon Hill How To Break The Habit Of Being Yourself – Joe Dispenza Unbound – Kasia Urbaniak -- 43:15 – How to find Marilise https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilise-de-villiers-9184521a https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com/podcasts/roar-marilise-de-villiers 44:40 – Outro Social-Engineer.org Social-Engineer.com The Innocent Lives Foundation

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Les Correia, who leads the evangelization of Estee Lauders Application Security. In his position Les wears many hats, but they are all worn with the mission of protecting Estee Lauders critical assets from the risk of a security breach. Prior to this, Les held Senior and Advisory roles providing thought leadership at companies such as AT&T and Lucent. Les also holds an MSc in Cyber Security as well as an exhaustive list of certifications. In his free time, Les pilots small aircraft and drives racecars. October 18, 2021 00:00 – Intro www.social-engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Human Behavior Conference – website coming soon 05:10 – Les Correia Intro 09:15 – How did you get into this industry? 12:05 – How are you trying to be proactive in stopping breaches? 14:00 – How important has top level support been? 15:03 – How do you get other business units to give you time for what you're doing? 16:30 – Understanding the business like a business consultant helps them know you care about that business unit 20:19 Whisky 24:08 – What kind of attacks have you seen in the wild that people need to be aware of? 26:10 – How do we get people that may not think they can be a victim to understand these threats can still be against them? 27:55 – Being a worldwide company, how do you translate your security processes through all those different cultures? 32:01 – How important is it to have hobbies outside of your work? 34:41 – How do you help your team deal with burnout when you have so much work on your plate? 37:56 – Has there anyone you could consider your greatest mentor? Dr. Tafar INS (International Network Services) Dr. Patarsh Dr. Menamen – NYU 39:32 – Book Recommendations Thinking Fast and Slow Seven Habits of Highly Effective People Good To Great Chris' Books 41:57 – Guest Wrap Up 42:20 – Reaching Les on social media: QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S linkedin.com/in/les-correia 43:12 – Outro www.social-engineer.org www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Jessica Barker. Jessica is an award-winning global leader in the human side of cyber security. She is Co-Founder and co-CEO of Cygenta, where she follows her passion of positively influencing cyber security awareness, behaviour and culture in organisations around the world. Jessica was also named one of the top 20 most influential women in cyber security in the UK and is the former Chair of ClubCISO. She is the author of the best-selling book Confident Cyber Security: how to get started in cyber security and futureproof your career AND co-author of Cybersecurity ABCs: delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change. October 11, 2021. 00:00 – Intro www.social-engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 04:21 - How did you get into cyber security? 06:48 – What were you researching before all that? 08:30 – How does human behavior influence technology? 10:00 – How has Covid-19 and the world scene impacted us when it comes to security? 14:26 – When we look on the internet at how aggressive people have gotten, and the anonymity has enabled people to be more terrible to each other, have you seen this aggression over the last 18 months affect security? 17:20 - Bullying 22:05 – Why is it looked at as "bad" to use bonuses when training people? 28:00 – What are the most positive ways to do it right? 32:37 – How would you suggest a company chooses the right "champion"? 36:26 – Finding Jessica on the web: Twitter: @drjessicabarker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-barker/ Instagram: @drjessicabarker www.cygenta.co.uk 37:20 – Who is your greatest mentor? Jane Frankland – business leader in cyber security https://jane-frankland.com/in-security/ 39:37 - Favorite Books Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change Human Hacking – Chris Hadnagy Crime Dot Com – Geoff White The Optimism Bias – Tali Sharot Black Box Thinking – Matthew Syed 43:26 – Outro

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Ed Skoudis. Ed is a SANS Institute Fellow, Instructor, and Director of Cyber Ranges. He is the founder of Counter Hack, an innovative cyber security company that works as trusted information security advisors to government, military, and commercial enterprises by providing in-depth security architecture, penetration testing, red teaming, incident response, and digital forensics expertise. Ed frequently presents industry keynotes based on the latest attack vectors he identifies during his team's penetration testing projects, expert witness work on large-scale breaches, security research into late-breaking malware and exploits, and incident response engagements. Over his career, Ed has taught over 20,000 students in computer incident response and penetration testing. Ed and his team are also the creators of the SANS Holiday Hack Challenge, a free gift to the community every December challenging tens of thousands of people to build their cyber security skills in a fun, quirky adventure to save the holiday season. September 20, 2021 00:00 – Intro www.social-engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:26 – Ed Skoudis Intro 05:26 – How did you get started, how did you get into this field? 09:18 – What do you looking for when building your team? 10:47 – How long will you observe a person to determine if they have the integrity or skill that you want? 12:44 – What advice would you give for companies to find people with the skill and integrity they need more quickly than observing them for 2-4 years? 22:00 – "Nothing new" in social engineering vs infosec, which is constantly changing 23:45 – Why do you feel experience like participating in CTF's are so valuable for people in this community? 28:57 – What is your advice for people on how to find quality CTF's? www.holidayhackchallenge.com www.ctftime.org www.wechall.net https://opentoallctf.github.io/ 32:04 – How long does it take your team to construct these challenges? 35:54 – If someone wants to sponsor this event, where can they go? www.holidayhackchallenge.com 36:42 – Who are the colleagues or mentors that have been most influential to you, people you wouldn't be where you are today if not for them? Ed's Nana – Evelyn Hiddings Manager at Bellcore - Miriam Hernandez Cagle SANS instructor, founder of In Guardians - Mike Poor Security Expert - Johnny Long SANS founder – Alan Paller 40:30 – What are some action steps corporations should start doing right now based on the advice you gave today to build a great team? Have a good corporate culture and leadership Be thoughtful and meaningful, make it fun, and challenge them Take input from your team and empower them 43:09 – Do you have any advice for employees dealing with burnout, how to practice self-care, or other coping mechanisms? Monthly meeting with state of the business, business reflections Rituals – Get a bagel and call mom on Saturdays, morning walk, calling friends out of the blue Gratefulness – when stressed, pause and think about what you're grateful for Get off social media for a few days 50:27 – Book Recommendation The Code Book by Simon Singh 51:53 – Outro www.innocentlivesfoundation.org www.social-engineer.com

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Cortney Warren. Dr. Warren is a Board-Certified Clinical Psychologist and former tenured Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV). She is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. In addition to publishing in some of the field's top scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing theoretically grounded, empirically-supported psychological research to the general public. So, in addition to her academic work, Dr. Warren is a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. September 13, 2021 00:00 – Intro www.social-engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:10 – Cortney Warren Intro 03:35 – How did you get started? 07:28 – Why is it so hard to be honest with ourselves? 10:01 – What gets the person from "it's easy to lie to myself" to "I'm readily open to admit this" 13:25 – Admitting the truth is just the first step 13:20 – There are certain ways humans lie to themselves. One of them is "The Specialness Fallacy" 17:43 – How do people make the change in someone who doesn't want to make the change, they're not at that point yet? 21:45 – Is self-deception the same in every culture? 25:47 – Is there a particular culture that is more honest with themselves than others? 28:12 – Why is bringing research to the public such a mission for you? 31:41 – How do we make the change out of self-deception? 41:30 – Have you helped people in abusive relationships with your methods? 44:31 – When does your book come out? 44:47 – How to reach Cortney: www.choosehonesty.com Email: [email protected] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CortneySWarren Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrCortneyWarren LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-cortney-s-warren-phd-abpp-a4188772/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQGXD7Ms5oR3GzsPZl3Tjl_9qj71MezHj Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cortneywarren/ 45:37 – Who is your greatest mentor? My mother, Karen J Warren 48:25 – Favorite Books: Victor Frankl –Man's Search for Meaning 50:16 – Outro www.innocentlivesfoundation.org www.social-engineer.com

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Bernie Acre. Bernie is the Chief Information Officer for the City of Bryan, TX where he's responsible for all technology and communications systems, including the Fire, Police, Public Works, the municipal electric utility, and a myriad of general support organizations. Bernie is currently an appointed Member of the Texas Cybersecurity Council. Bernie has a combined 41-years of experience in information technology; including 20+ in the US Air Force and 21 years in the electric utility industry and municipal government. August 16, 2021 00:00 – Intro www.social-engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:34 – Bernie Acre Intro 04:43 – How did your transition into this position take place? 08:18 – What makes you proud of the culture that you created around employee awareness? 12:25 – How do you get all senior management on board? 14:24 – What did it take to find the people to make such a great team? 15:35 – What were you looking for in these people 17:15 – Setting the bar 19:15 – Team Advocate vs. Adversary 23:59 – Was your senior management always on board with being part of the testing? 27:06 – So the third hour of their required training is something the employees choose? 27:54 – Have you always had the philosophy that the security training you do at work should become personal? 29:21 – What are three things you would tell someone beginning in the field to focus on? 32:51 – Taking the time to grow 34:49 – What do you do to help combat burn out? How about promoting self-care? 37:31 – What lacks the most sometimes in an organization is communication 37:43 – Who in this industry do you respect the most? One of Bernie's commanders in the service, for overall leadership For this industry: Chris Hadnagy Roger Grimes (KnowBe4) Stu Sjouwerman (KnowBe4) Kevin Mitnick (KnowBe4) 40:13 – Book Recommendations Winning America by Allan Eckert All works by James Michener Valor Across The Lone Star by Charles M. Neal 43:55 – What got you so heavily into history? 44:38 – Finding Bernie on the internet: www.linkedin.com/in/bernie-acre-cgcio-7838375a/ www.bryantx.gov 47:04 – Outro Thanks to Bernie www.innocentlivesfoundation.org