The Art Bell Archive

Art Bell opens with the news of Father Malachi Martin's passing, honoring the exorcist and papal advisor as a singular figure who enriched the program over many years. The first guest, James Napier, a veteran television journalist, reveals a private conversation with Madalyn Murray O'Hair that challenges her public identity. After persistent questioning about meaning and purpose, O'Hair reportedly acknowledged an organizing intelligence beyond the scope of human knowing, a striking admission from the woman who removed prayer from American public schools.The second half features the radio debut of billionaire Robert Bigelow, founder of Bigelow Development Corporation and longtime patron of the National Institute for Discovery Science. Bigelow describes his lifelong fascination with the UFO phenomenon, sparked by family sightings in the 1950s, and shares findings from the NIDS ranch where a newborn calf was stripped of flesh and bone within 45 minutes in broad daylight with no blood on the ground. He confirms his personal conviction that the phenomenon is not connected to government black projects.Bigelow then unveils his plan to build a privately funded orbital cruise ship, a half-mile-wide rotating habitat accommodating 100 passengers on six-day voyages around the Moon. He argues that reducing launch costs from the shuttle's $10,000 per pound to roughly $550 would make commercial space tourism viable, breaking NASA's monopoly on human spaceflight.

Art Bell interviews Nick Pope, a Ministry of Defence employee since 1985 who investigated approximately 300 UFO cases per year for the British government. Pope describes how roughly 10 percent of those reports involved structured craft capable of speeds and maneuvers far beyond known technology. He details the 1978 Frederick Valentich case, in which a pilot reported a hovering object before his aircraft vanished without a trace over the Tasman Strait.Pope discusses the Rendlesham Forest incident at RAF bases Cossford and Shawbury, where military witnesses observed a massive triangular craft firing a beam of light into nearby fields before accelerating instantly to the horizon. He reveals that radiation readings at the landing site were ten times background levels, a finding confirmed by the Defence Radiological Protection Service. Pope shares his conclusion that abduction phenomena represent a covert alien agenda, noting patterns of hybridization programs, environmental warnings shown to abductees, and transformative psychological changes in those who report contact.Callers recount their own experiences of missing time, unexplained nosebleeds, and encounters with unknown craft. Pope and Art discuss the biological hazards of extraterrestrial contact, the contrast between British and American government openness, and why senior UK military officials have spoken publicly about an extraterrestrial reality while their American counterparts remain silent.

Art Bell opens the program with UFO lobbyist Stephen Bassett announcing the creation of the Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee, the first PAC in history dedicated to government disclosure of the UFO phenomenon. Bassett outlines plans to fund congressional hearing petitions, television ads, and direct questioning of presidential candidates about the extraterrestrial presence.The program shifts to forensic psychiatrist Dr. Drew Ross, author of Looking Into the Eyes of a Killer, who spent seven years evaluating and treating murderers inside the criminal justice system. Dr. Ross describes the unsettling experience of sitting across from unrepentant killers and the even more chilling encounters with inmates who skillfully feign remorse to manipulate parole boards. He identifies multiple converging causes of violent behavior, including brain damage, childhood abuse, substance use, and profound disconnection from personal identity.Art and Dr. Ross engage in a spirited debate over the death penalty. Dr. Ross argues capital punishment functions as a modern form of ritual sacrifice, while Art maintains that society deserves swift justice for violent offenders. Dr. Ross advocates replacing the current prison system with graduated monitoring and reintegration, contending that incarceration as practiced breeds greater violence rather than reducing it.

Art Bell opens with the somber news that Father Malachi Martin has suffered a massive stroke and is near death, before turning to updates from Jose Escamilla on his ongoing research into the aerial anomalies known as rods. Escamilla describes new high-velocity footage captured at a cave in Mexico by Fox TV cameras, showing rod-like objects making sharp U-turns at extraordinary speeds. He announces upcoming public screenings of the footage in Burbank and Anaheim.The second half features Albert Taylor, a former NASA aeronautical engineer and author of Soul Traveler, discussing out-of-body experiences and their connection to consciousness survival after death. Taylor describes his interrupted sleep technique for inducing OBEs and shares how his experiences fundamentally changed his worldview. On the 30th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, he and Art discuss why America abandoned deep space exploration and the political and financial forces that have kept humanity in low Earth orbit.Taylor asserts that soul travel reveals dimensions beyond the physical, including encounters with deceased relatives and non-human entities. He and Art debate whether humanity's pursuit of technology is a distraction from spiritual development or a necessary stage of evolution that must be transcended.

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Michio Kaku, co-founder of String Field Theory and professor of theoretical physics at City University of New York, for a wide-ranging exploration of the frontiers of modern physics. They discuss the quest for a unified field theory, the possibility of parallel universes existing like bubbles in quantum foam, and whether time travel could split reality into divergent timelines.Dr. Kaku explains how scientists recently slowed light to 20 miles per hour using Bose condensation, and why the universe appears to be accelerating toward a cold, dark future. The conversation turns to NASA's upcoming Deep Impact mission to slam a projectile into a comet and the controversial Cassini spacecraft carrying 72 pounds of plutonium set to fly just 700 miles from Earth in August 1999. Dr. Kaku reveals a classified memo estimating tens of thousands of potential casualties if Cassini were to reenter the atmosphere.The discussion also covers rogue planets with possible subsurface oceans, genetic engineering ethics, the discovery of new super-heavy elements, and Einstein's brain autopsy revealing structural differences linked to abstract thinking. Callers press Dr. Kaku on M-theory's eleven dimensions and the clumpiness of the visible universe.

Art Bell sits down with film producer Stephen Simon, the creative force behind two beloved movies: Somewhere in Time and What Dreams May Come. Simon recounts how reading Richard Matheson's novel Bid Time Return inspired him to enter the film industry, how he secretly delivered the script to Christopher Reeve's home after agents refused to pass it along, and how Jane Seymour arrived at her audition dressed in full 1912 period costume, instantly winning the role.Simon traces his 20-year journey to bring What Dreams May Come to the screen, explaining how advances in visual effects technology and shifting cultural consciousness finally made the film possible. He describes the innovative LADAR process used to create the painted afterlife world, Robin Williams' immediate commitment to the project, and the creative decisions around depicting suicide and the afterlife without imposing any single religious framework.The conversation grows personal when Simon shares the story of Amanda Weber, a 17-year-old terminal cancer patient whose fear dissolved after watching the film in her final days. Art and Simon discuss the responsibilities of Hollywood filmmakers, the difference between freedom of expression and accountability, and Simon's vision for Metaphilmix, a consciously spiritual film company dedicated to producing movies that explore what it means to be human.

Art Bell welcomes brain researcher Neil Slade, a student of pioneering neuroscientist T.D.A. Lingo, for a deep exploration of untapped human brain potential. Slade explains the three-layered structure of the brain, from the survival-oriented reptile brain through the emotional mammal brain to the advanced primate frontal lobes, and introduces the amygdala as a master switch that directs neural energy either backward into fear responses or forward into creativity and higher consciousness.Slade describes a simple visualization technique he calls clicking the amygdala forward, in which a person imagines tickling the front of the almond-shaped organ located one inch inside each temple. He claims this practice can produce waves of pleasure, heightened intuition, and dramatically improved fortune. The conversation turns to cloud busting, where Slade explains that focused frontal lobe energy directed at a cumulus cloud can cause it to dissipate within minutes, with video evidence posted on his website.Art and Slade debate whether advanced brain functions can be used for negative purposes, using Hitler as an example. They discuss research showing that frontal lobe activation correlates with extended sexual response, drawing on Stanford University studies and ancient Taoist practices. Callers share personal experiences with the amygdala clicking technique and its effects on mood, intuition, and intimacy.

Art Bell speaks with attorney Peter Gersten, director of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, about his pending FOIA lawsuit against the Department of Defense concerning V-shaped triangular craft. Gersten reveals his plan to subpoena and depose both Peter Davenport and Dr. Steven M. Greer, seeking the identities of government insiders who have privately confirmed the reality of UFOs. Art wrestles with the ethical dilemma of forcing disclosure from researchers who promised confidentiality to their sources.Major Ed Dames of the PsyTech Corporation joins to discuss remote viewing and the significance of NIDS research at an undisclosed hotspot in the Southwest. Dames describes his own past discovery of UFO hotspots through military remote viewing sessions he conducted covertly as training exercises. He connects his findings to Jacques Vallee's concept of a control system, arguing that the phenomena at these sites are projections designed to test human intelligence and readiness.Dames asserts that Bigfoot sightings, chupacabra encounters, and cattle mutilations are temporary projections created by this system as coded messages. He contends that genuine contact will only occur when researchers demonstrate a fundamental shift in understanding, moving beyond the desire to capture technology and toward recognizing the deeper nature of the intelligence behind the phenomena.

Art Bell opens with an emotional conversation with Terence McKenna, who reveals he has been diagnosed with a stage four glioblastoma, the fastest-moving brain tumor known to medicine. McKenna describes his seizure, the gamma knife procedure that destroyed roughly 90% of the tumor, and the doctors' prognosis of six to nine months. He reflects on love, mortality, and consciousness existing beyond the body, while Art announces the Terence McKenna Research Foundation for listener support.The program shifts to Comet Lee, recently discovered by amateur astronomer Stephen Lee in Australia. Earl Crockett and Gary Goodwin of the Millennium Group challenge NASA's dismissal of any potential Earth effects, arguing that comets are plasma discharge objects rather than dirty snowballs. They contend that electromagnetic interactions between the comet, the sun, and planetary alignments in September 1999 could trigger significant solar events and extreme weather.Stewart Best then connects Comet Lee to Nostradamus prophecies about a great king of terror arriving from the sky in the seventh month of 1999. He links the comet's trajectory through the constellation Cancer and its timing near the August 11th solar eclipse to specific quatrains, while also noting Bible code references to September 1999 upheavals.

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Colm Kelleher of the National Institute for Discovery Science to discuss a groundbreaking Roper survey on public attitudes toward extraterrestrial contact. The poll reveals that 80% of influential Americans believe the government would suppress evidence of alien life, while significant gaps emerge between how people think they would handle contact versus how they expect others to react.Kelleher details NIDS field investigations at undisclosed hotspots in the American Southwest, including cattle pathology cases with inexplicable findings such as a shredded heart inside an intact pericardium. He shares a never-before-reported account of investigators using Generation 3 night vision to observe a dark humanoid figure crawling out of a glowing tunnel of light suspended above the ground.The conversation turns to surveillance cameras at a monitored site where wiring was violently ripped from a pole, yet footage from a camera aimed directly at the location captured nothing. Art and Kelleher discuss the implications for contact, the role of media in shaping public reaction, and whether humanity possesses the spiritual maturity to handle such a revelation.

Guest host Hilly Rose welcomes the Reverend Lady Amber Maeve Shemansky, High Priestess of the Grove of the Winged Scarab and public information officer for the Covenant of the Goddess, to explore the rapidly growing Wiccan religion. With witchcraft ranking as the number one interest among teenage girls in a recent poll of 60 topics, and the U.S. Army now sanctioning Wiccan practice at multiple bases including Fort Hood and Fort Polk, Hilly digs into what this ancient faith actually teaches.Amber explains that the word witch derives from an Anglo-Saxon term meaning "wise one" and that Wicca is a pre-Judeo-Christian, nature-based religion centered on the balance of male and female energies. She describes the faith as matriarchal, empowering women to stand on their own while maintaining balance with their male counterparts. The discussion covers rituals, the use of ceremonial blades called athames, and the Wiccan Rede's central command to harm none. Amber firmly distinguishes Wiccans from Satanists and Goths, calling the Church of Satan a reverse Christianity that defiles all spiritual belief.Hilly presses Amber on Congressman Bob Barr's objections to military Wiccans and asks how practitioners reconcile their faith with combat duty. Amber cites the self-defense provision within Wiccan law and describes her unsuccessful attempts to secure a meeting with Barr. Callers weigh in with curiosity and concern as Amber directs seekers to metaphysical bookstores and community resources for further exploration.

Art Bell opens the phone lines for his beloved Ghost to Ghost edition, inviting listeners to share their most chilling encounters with the unexplained. A Navy veteran from World War II recounts waking aboard his ship near Okinawa at 3 a.m. to the unmistakable scent of his Aunt Melanie's floral bathing powder, only to later learn she had died at that exact moment. A caller reports a shadowy figure with glowing red eyes lurking beneath her son's bed, while a cemetery photographer describes being led telepathically by a spirit to a freshly dug grave.The stories grow increasingly bizarre as a parapsychology researcher at a university sleep lab describes watching a translucent apparition of an elderly woman in a flower-print dress float through walls and pass directly through his sleeping research subject. A commercial pilot flying a Cessna over Northern California at night recounts hearing a disembodied voice say "check your six," then watching a phantom World War II flying boat pull alongside before vanishing. He later identified it as the Philippine Clipper, which crashed in the Ukiah area decades earlier.A mother shares how her three-year-old son's imaginary friend Irving turned out to be a real person buried in the community cemetery, confirmed when the child pointed directly to Irving Riggs' headstone during a walk. Years later, a photograph of the great-grandfather matched the figure her son had described visiting him at night.

Art Bell is joined by investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe for a wide-ranging discussion that begins with a remarkable eyewitness account from Holland. A 19-year-old named Robert watched from his bedroom window as a small pinkish-purple light expanded into a disc-shaped object over a farm field, emitted electrical discharges, and left behind two fresh crop circles. Linda details biophysicist W.C. Levengood's hypothesis that a spinning plasma vortex containing microwave energies may be responsible for the genuine formations.The conversation shifts to the chemtrail phenomenon as Linda introduces Charles Warren, a New Jersey resident whose photographs of unusual grid-pattern contrails over Philadelphia prompted him to create a website. Warren reveals that military and government agencies including Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, NASA Langley, Lawrence Livermore, and the Air Force Combat Climatology Center have been making repeat visits to his site. Art reads a letter from a listener in New Hampshire reporting persistent rashes coinciding with heavy contrail activity.Linda also reports on Dr. James Baker's discovery of nanobomb technology at the University of Michigan, an oily water substance capable of destroying anthrax and other pathogens on contact. The three discuss whether government dispersal testing of similar substances could explain the unusual aerial activity and the oily residues reported by witnesses across North America.

Art Bell welcomes spiritual healer and author Alan Mesher to discuss his book The T-Zone and the concept that humanity has entered a prolonged dark period at the end of a 500-year cycle. Mesher explains that the world is experiencing a massive discharge of collective negativity, and that increasing instability, violence, and social breakdown are symptoms of an energetic shift occurring on the planet. He argues that individuals have the power to shorten this dark period by taking personal responsibility and healing their inner wounds.Mesher shares striking cases from his 25 years as a healer, including a woman whose cervical cancer traced back to a past life in Nazi Germany where she was attacked for smuggling Jews to safety, and a man whose testicular cancer connected to his castration and death during the Inquisition. These accounts illustrate his view that unresolved trauma from prior lifetimes lodges in the body and manifests as disease until it is consciously confronted and released.The discussion turns to how collective healing could reshape civilization. Mesher describes his discovery of healing through a gifted woman named Eleanor Moore and explains that the energy he channels comes from a higher source. He and Art explore whether mass consciousness and directed prayer could alter planetary outcomes during this turbulent transitional era.

Art Bell welcomes back Dr. Jeffrey Long, a radiation oncologist, and Dr. Tricia McGill, a licensed clinical psychologist, to discuss near-death experiences and share a stunning update on their previous guest Sarah. The doctors reveal they were approached by a European group proposing to induce cardiac arrest in prisoners to study NDEs, an experiment they refused on ethical grounds. Art also asks Dr. Long about Terrence McKenna's grim brain tumor diagnosis.The conversation takes a remarkable turn when Tricia reveals that past-life regression work on Sarah uncovered a connection to a Tibetan Buddhist monk who was beheaded during the Chinese invasion of Tibet. Despite Sarah having no knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism in her current life, her NDE closely mirrored descriptions found in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, raising profound questions about how prior lifetimes may shape the afterlife experience.A second NDE experiencer named Karen then shares her account of a car accident she had foreseen in a premonition dream months earlier. Karen describes being told she was dead, receiving a life review, and being shown her own funeral and her son's future. Her deep grief over leaving her infant son ultimately led to her return, despite her guides insisting she was not meant to come back.

Art Bell devotes this deeply personal broadcast to addressing a nightmare that has consumed his life for over a year. He introduces his attorney, Gerald Fox of Fox, Sigler and Spillane in Los Angeles, to explain two major defamation lawsuits filed on Art's behalf. The first targets Ted Gunderson, David Hinkson, and shortwave station WWCR in Nashville for broadcasting false claims that Art was indicted for child molestation and bribed officials to cover it up.The second lawsuit, filed that same day in Los Angeles Superior Court, targets David John Oates and Robert A.M. Stevens for fabricating claims that Art was arrested for trafficking in pornography. Jerry Fox details how independent investigation, including records from the Monterey County clerk and the Monterey Herald, confirmed every allegation to be completely false. The complaint includes six counts ranging from slander and conspiracy to intentional infliction of emotional distress.Art reveals that these attacks connect to an undisclosed family tragedy from December 1997 that prompted his sudden departure from the air. He and Jerry discuss the lack of accountability on the internet, the difference between free speech and defamation, and the devastating personal toll of being publicly branded with the worst accusation imaginable. Art promises that the full story will become public within the week.

Art Bell opens with the troubling news that his friend Terence McKenna is reportedly gravely ill in a Honolulu hospital, then welcomes attorney Peter Gersten of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy to discuss his ongoing Freedom of Information lawsuit against the Department of Defense regarding flying triangle craft. Peter describes how the DOD claims to have zero records on the triangles despite decades of sightings, and reveals plans to subpoena Dr. Steven M. Greer for the names of his reported 200 military witnesses.The conversation shifts to broader questions about technology as a possible "virus in reality," with Peter arguing that advanced technology introduced around 1947 disrupted humanity's natural evolutionary progression. Art shares his own close encounter with a silent, gravity-defying triangle and confirms he has provided notarized affidavits of the sighting to support the legal case.In the second half, Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove joins to explore consciousness, the nature of God, and whether mass focused attention can produce measurable physical effects. He describes documented quantum-level deviations during events like the Olympics and Princess Diana's funeral, and discusses whether UFO phenomena might originate from human consciousness itself rather than external sources.

Art Bell presents what he calls broadcast history as researcher Jose Escamilla returns to discuss rods, mysterious elongated creatures captured on video that appear to coexist with humans on Earth. For the first time, Art simultaneously streams Jose's rod footage via internet video while broadcasting the radio discussion, allowing online viewers to see the evidence in real time.Jose describes how he first discovered rods in 1994 near Roswell, New Mexico, while filming UFO activity. After five years of research, he explains that these creatures propel themselves using undulatory wave fins similar to a cuttlefish, effectively swimming through the atmosphere at speeds reaching 200 miles per hour. The evidence includes footage from a Mexican cave system, National Geographic underwater video from the Yucatan Peninsula, and shots of rods maneuvering around human subjects without contact. Even skeptic Philip Klass declined to debunk the findings.Callers who watched the streaming video share their reactions, confirming the footage is unlike anything depicting ordinary insects or birds. Jose reveals that rods appear in every environment, from oceans to living rooms, and that birds and cats seem able to perceive them. He appeals for scientific funding to mount an expedition to a Mexican cave where rods are consistently present.

Art Bell is joined by Kevin Ryerson, an acclaimed intuitive and trance channel in the tradition of Edgar Cayce and Jane Roberts, whose abilities were featured in Shirley MacLaine's bestselling books. They examine the crisis of collective consciousness as school shootings, ecological disasters, and political dishonesty signal what Kevin describes as humanity entering an "event horizon" of profound change.Kevin discusses the breakdown of emotional intelligence in modern society, tracing the problem to Descartes' philosophy of pure rationalism that stripped away the capacity for empathy. He connects this to Jung's monitoring of collective dreams before World War II and argues that humanity faces a choice between ecological collapse and a new era of collective awareness. The conversation touches on the hundredth monkey effect, the harmonic convergence's role in the fall of the Berlin Wall, and whether focused group consciousness can alter weather patterns and global events.Art shares his own caution about conducting mass consciousness experiments on the air, expressing genuine fear about unintended consequences. Kevin offers perspective on crop circles, the nature of good and evil, reincarnation, and the psychic bonds that connect all living beings to the planet itself.

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Bruce Goldberg, a hypnotherapist and author who has regressed over 11,000 patients into past and future lives, to discuss one of Art's favorite subjects: time travel. Dr. Goldberg outlines four methods of traveling through time, from physical time machines based on exotic matter and warp drive theory to teleportation and fifth-dimensional out-of-body techniques that listeners can practice themselves.The conversation covers mathematical models proposed by physicists like Kip Thorne and Miguel Alcubierre, the grandfather paradox resolved through parallel universes, and Dr. Goldberg's claimed encounters with Traxa, a time traveler from the 36th century whose name spelled backward reads "Ask Art." He also reveals what he describes as Art's past life as an Atlantean quantum physicist named Drako who predicted a catastrophic earthquake 50,000 years ago.Dr. Goldberg shares predictions for the next thousand years, including anti-gravity cars, telepathic communication, and free energy through cold fusion. He also presents alleged cases of spontaneous teleportation, from a 16th-century Spanish soldier appearing in Mexico City to his own claimed trip to Montego Bay, Jamaica from his Baltimore living room.

Art Bell checks in with Richard C. Hoagland, who is recovering from a severe heart attack in Miami, for an update on two developing stories. Hoagland reports that the Miami Circle archaeological site has been saved from demolition through an eminent domain proceeding, with the county winning a key hearing against the developer. He announces that Senator Bob Graham has introduced a bill to incorporate the 2,000-year-old site into the national park system and urges listeners to fax their senators in support.The conversation turns to a revelation from NASA when Hoagland reports that the Hubble Space Telescope photographed the lunar surface on April 16, 1999, despite years of official claims that the moon was too bright for the instrument. He details how NASA officials, including the head of public affairs at the Space Telescope Institute, had repeatedly stated on record that even the earthlit portion of the moon would damage the telescope. Hoagland theorizes that honest insiders may be working to expose a deceptive element within the agency.Hoagland also discusses new magnetic striping discoveries on Mars from the mapping orbit, addresses the personal attacks he endured during his recovery including accusations that he faked his heart attack, and hints at upcoming revelations connected to the Taurid meteor stream and NASA's hidden research into potential Earth impacts.

Art Bell opens with brain researcher Neil Slade to discuss the remarkable true story of Mike the Headless Chicken, a rooster that survived four and a half years after decapitation in 1945. Scientists at the University of Utah determined the farmer's cut left the brain stem intact, preserving all instinctual behaviors including walking, preening, and attempting to crow. Slade connects this to his research on the amygdala and the untapped potential of the human frontal lobes.The program shifts to author and former corporate jet pilot Stewart Best, who presents his case that Earth is approaching a catastrophic pole shift. Best describes the mechanics of such an event, where the planet's surface moves rapidly while the atmosphere lags behind, generating winds of 800 miles per hour or more and drawing super-cold upper atmosphere air to the surface. He points to escalating tornado violence, magnetic pole fluctuations, disrupted bird migration patterns, and the earthquake swarm at Mammoth Lakes as warning signs.Best ties these geological predictions to biblical prophecy, describing a timeline that converges with predictions from Nostradamus, Hopi elders, and modern remote viewers. He warns that the NATO campaign in Yugoslavia is systematically pushing Russia, China, and Islamic nations into the alliance foretold in scripture as a precursor to global conflict.

Guest host Whitley Strieber interviews forensic artist and investigator Bill McDonald, who presents a detailed composite description of the Roswell spacecraft assembled from multiple independent military witnesses. McDonald describes a craft resembling a diamond-shaped stingray, approximately 32 feet long and 25 feet wide, constructed as a single integrated unit that appeared grown rather than assembled. Its outer skin functioned as its engine through magneto-aero-electrodynamics, propelling the vehicle through atmosphere and water alike.McDonald details the interior layout of seven seats arranged around a bell-dome reactor, with crew stations that merged seamlessly into the occupants' bodies. He describes the alien occupants as childlike humanoids with screen-mesh skin who absorbed nutrients and oxygen through their tissue while immersed in a ballistic fluid. The craft's layered hull contained patterns resembling neural ganglia that functioned like massive microprocessors.The discussion covers the craft's multiple flight modes, including atmospheric flight using cambered lift, underwater submersion as a neutrally buoyant vessel, and the theory that lightning caused the crash. McDonald also addresses the secrecy surrounding recovered alien technology and the gradual transfer of that technology from military to private sector control.

Art Bell speaks with attorney Peter Gersten, founder of Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, about his ongoing legal battle to force government disclosure of UFO-related documents. Gersten describes his dismissed FOIA lawsuit against the Army over records referenced in Colonel Philip Corso's book and outlines his active case demanding Department of Defense information on flying triangle sightings. He calls on listeners to submit affidavits and photographic evidence to support future legal proceedings.In the second half, researcher Michael Cremo joins to discuss evidence of extreme human antiquity that challenges conventional archaeology. He describes metallic spheres found in South African mineral deposits dated to roughly two billion years ago, with machined precision that metallurgists cannot explain as natural formations. He also reveals stone tools and human skeletal remains discovered deep inside California gold mines beneath layers of rock dating back tens of millions of years.Cremo recounts the fierce resistance his work has provoked from the scientific establishment, including campaigns to pressure NBC into canceling a television special featuring his findings and a petition to the FCC demanding the network be fined and forced to issue public apologies for airing the program.

Art Bell welcomes James McMullen, a naturalist and independent tracker who has spent 23 years in the Florida Everglades pursuing the endangered Florida panther. McMullen describes how he verified 64 individual panthers in a region where experts declared them virtually extinct, earning the trust of Seminole elders and old-time swamp dwellers along the way.The conversation shifts to Bigfoot when McMullen reveals that his decades of panther tracking also led him to unexplained encounters with an unknown creature. He details his August 1997 sighting of a large, upright, chocolate-brown figure standing 35 feet away in a tree line, breathing visibly, with dark caramel skin and long hair-covered arms ending in clearly defined fingers. He compares and contrasts the creature with the famous Patterson film footage.McMullen discusses the physical evidence he has gathered, including plaster casts of massive footprints with dermal ridges, strange vocalizations heard at close range, and his philosophy of naturalistic observation over capture or killing. He argues that a skilled tracker can build a case for an unknown species without ever harming one, and urges protection for the creature he believes has inhabited the Everglades for generations.