The Agency Growth Podcast

Fresh off of Jake's appearance on Josh's Web Design Business podcast, Josh makes a special appearance on our podcast diving deep into just how accessible starting a web design agency is.We never wanted to build websites. It was something we realized we had to do for our clients because, at its core, any campaign is only as successful as the landing page. Josh is different. Josh started out doing what he loved -- designing and building websites.He went on to write for Elegant Themes (the company responsible for the Divi visual builder in WordPress), scale his web design agency to over the 6-figure mark, sell it, and create courses on how to grow and scale a web design agency.We wanted to specifically talk to Josh, not just about his career, but how other people who don't know much about web design, can get started and add it as a service to their offering.----------------------------------If you haven't listened to Josh's podcast, you can check him out here:https://open.spotify.com/show/54Lw9cfbfIPLQvc7ANmMmL?si=8485028fdfe646baYou can also find him and his web design courses at joshhall.co.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, follow us on YouTube, or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

Wix has never been a platform that agency owners or SEOs recommended. It was the DIY website builder for small businesses.SEOs brought up glaring issues such as the entire site structure being built with Javascript, the inability to issue 301 redirects, edit robots.txt, and the lack of simple integrations to necessary tools like Google Analytics, Search Console, and Facebook Pixel.Since then, Wix has had a bad reputation with agencies. However, it's clear the Wix of today is not the same Wix of 2015.In this episode, we talk to Kobi Gamliel, the Head of Agency Growth at Wix Studio on why he's confident Wix Studio is going to take over the agency space and become a preferred platform by agencies.Kobi isn't just all talk. He also founded and owned two digital marketing agencies prior to joining Wix in 2014 which we dive into and learn more granular details about.Wix Studio is a new platform for Wix built specifically for agencies who manage multiple client sites. For lack of better phrasing, we're quite blown away with the platform's new capabilities and integrations. WordPress should be afraid.And don't worry, we make sure to press Kobi on the bad SEO claims Wix has gotten in the past and why people are still repeating things initially stated a decade ago before we get into the Wix Studio platform.----------------------------------Kobi Gamliel is the Head of Agency Growth at Wix Studio. Leveraging almost a decade of experience at Wix, he previously led a product group dedicated to developing innovative marketing technology and services to help Wix SMB users grow their businesses. Before joining Wix, Kobi founded two digital marketing agencies. His extensive experience in digital marketing and agency leadership drives the growth and success of Wix Studio's agency initiatives, enabling the Wix Studio team to achieve impactful marketing and business outcomes.Reach out to Kobi on LinkedIn or email him directly:linkedin.com/in/kobigamliel/[email protected]⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, follow us on YouTube, or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (The new podcast music / Jake and Lauren started a new business)****Skip the Cold Open at 14:58**Increasing regulations and privacy-focused web users are making it harder for agencies to target in-market audiences and track conversions properly.It's our duty as agencies to do those two things:1) Target the right audiences2) Track our success and ROIThe harder it is for us to do that the harder it is for clients to justify paying us.In this episode, we talk about a number of privacy-related digital marketing topics like:The death of 3rd party cookies (Facebook & Google tracking pixels) and how conversions need to be tracked now that browser pixels are becoming less effective.How advertising budgets will shift away from programmatic media to magazines and publications (sources that own first-party data).And how increasing email privacy and spam policies are requiring agencies and businesses to become more tech-savvy to simply deliver a sent email.We predict that these changes are going to weed out certain agencies while increasing the barrier to entry for the industry.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, follow us on YouTube, or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (A question for the listeners)****Skip the Cold Open at 16:25**Whether you write content for your clients or you write content for yourself, writing good content for SEO is a must for every agency owner.And As Google pumps more and more spam updates into their algorithm their answer to everything seems to just be "write good content". But how do you write good content when the purpose is simply to get it to rank?In this episode, we give you extremely simple tips on how each of us writes content that ranks in Google so that anyone who cares about what they write can get ranked.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, follow us on YouTube, or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Cody eats breakfast-flavored cup noodles)****Skip the Cold Open at 9:39**White labeling can be an easy way to earn revenue for your agency while still trying to carve out your niche. But it can be a slippery slope when you're first starting out.There's a time and place to consider other agencies as your clients. For us, we don't white label for a few reasons. However, white labeling might be part of your business model and that's fine.We simply wanted to put this episode out there to string together our thoughts on white-labeling agency services to other agencies.Do you white label for other agencies?----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

We're joined by Cesar Gil, owner and operator of Symphony Advertising based out of Houston, Texas.We found Cesar through TikTok where he regularly posts updates of his agency and bares all for his audience. His videos are often spur-of-the-moment monologues on different issues he's dealing with or comments he gets.Cesar runs a similar agency to ours that's about 2/3 of our size ($25k MRR). There's just one problem... He has no idea what he's doing.Join us on this episode where we dive into Cesar's operations and numbers and uncover why he's been so successful with things we all struggle with like client acquisition, managing projects, keeping clients happy, and producing great results.Find Cesar on TikTok @cesargil----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Cody went to Scotland for a Taylor Swift concert)****Skip the Cold Open at 12:40**Our podcast is largely about practical advice we give to other agency owners as we grow ours -- however, we thought it would be a good idea to air out all of the problems our agency is currently facing.Every business faces new challenges as they grow. Problems don't go away, they just change.In this episode, we talk about the challenges we're facing today. Let us know if you can relate to any of them.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Cody and Jake talk office chairs and Chat GPT)****Skip the Cold Open at 7:57**It's been a year since we've talked about AI and its potential effect on agencies. Now that we have had some time, it's time to talk about what is actually being impacted.When we first thought about this, we figured the biggest impact would actually come from agencies using AI. However, we've noticed something a bit different... Vendors and media platforms like Google and Facebook using more and more AI and getting... interesting results.Check out how we've noticed AI affecting agencies in the last year in this latest episode today.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

We're excited to bring AJ Doppke from Marketing Qubed onto the podcast to talk about his main acquisition method for new clients -- cold calling.AJ is a long-time listener to the podcast and owns an agency similar in size to our own. We grill him on his agency size, niche, and services, but especially his cold-calling strategy.What is it that AJ is doing differently that gets him 1 appointment out of every 8 calls to a decision-maker and a 50% close rate once he presents his solution?Learn more from him over the next hour and a half on what most cold-callers are doing wrong to not land appointments.----------------------------------Find AJ on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/aj-doppke.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (The agency space is getting dumber)****Skip the Cold Open at 15:30**Most new agency owners can agree on one thing and it's that picking your niche is more difficult than it sounds. The majority of agency owners will pick niches they heard were good based on videos they've watched or what peers have said. Other agency owners will pick multiple niches to see which ones take off first.If you cast a wider net, won't you catch more fish?Not necessarily.We talk about the differences between just focusing on one niche vs spreading yourself over multiple and why focusing on one might actually yield more results and sales.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Physical therapist that helps gamers)****Skip the Cold Open at 4:58**Staying productive is hard when there is so much to do and you can start to get analysis paralysis by looking at your daily checklist of items. It's even worse when you leave your full-time job and you no longer have someone like a boss ensuring you come to work early enough and stay focused.We go through a few things we do to keep us focused and productive while working on our agency. That includes things like eating right, minimizing instead of maximizing, the 2nd morning, and working out.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Non-compete agreements are now illegal)****Skip the Cold Open at 9:15**We keep seeing things online about how your leads should only be costing you $2-$5 on Facebook or that a cost per lead of $80 is bad. But neither of those is necessarily true.We have clients at Evergrow that are willing to pay $200/lead. If we tried to get them the cheapest leads all the time, then we would likely be delivering poor leads.Jake breaks down his formula for helping clients understand how much they should be willing to pay per lead generated from ad campaigns using their own numbers. This is a formula that will help you and your client set expectations around what is and isn't realistic.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Cody got a check from a class action lawsuit / Jake's old job is hiring)****Skip the Cold Open at 12:39**Jake has seen a lot of new agency owners get hung up on what their offer should be to prospective clients. People aren't sure what their guarantee should be or what sets them apart from the numerous other agencies out there.However, we have a belief that your "offer" doesn't need to be an offer to your prospective client. It can be as simple as being good at your service or being niche-specific.In this episode, we dive into what it means to actually have an offer that sells your agency without you having to give anything away for free or deliver guarantees.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

We hit our biggest milestone in this podcast since we started... 100 episodes!Throughout the last 2 years, we've been asked numerous times why we're even doing this. What's the point? We aren't monetizing it with ads or even have anything to sell our listeners.We don't even bring on guests who have things to sell our audience.This episode answers that.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Jake gets involved with Agency TikTok / People on Reddit Suck)****Skip the Cold Open at 18:00**We talk cash flow and how our agency maintains a healthy flow of liquidity and a stockpile of cash in the bank that would make Ron Swanson blush.There are a few things we do to ensure that we are a cash-positive business and that there is enough money in the business to keep things alive for 6 months with everyone having jobs even if we were to lose all of our clients tomorrow.This becomes more and more important as the United States heads into an economic downturn ahead of the election.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (Do you use the tongs at gas stations?)****Skip the Cold Open at 6:30**This is an episode regarding a question we get asked frequently. What does our onboarding process look like when we onboard a new client?We take you through the process of the initial sales call all the way to the live website. Both from our perspectives as well as each team member's perspective who handles a portion of that onboarding.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @jakehundley

**Cold Open (We Have a Bone to Pick with Stacked Marketer)****Skip the Cold Open at 14:38**Evergrow Marketing's structure and goals are based on a business plan put together by Cody. But what is a business plan? What makes one good?We hear about business plans all the time but never really see them or see what's inside of them. In this episode, we talk about how we wrote our business plan, what's in it, and what business plans are even for.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Nickelodeon & Shohei Ohtani interpreter)****Skip the Cold Open at 13:55**All of the gurus tell you how important it is to have multiple streams of income. But what they don't tell you is that advice is not for you. It's not for people who haven't made their money yet.You need to focus on your one, primary income stream before you even consider a second income stream. It's better to build one house with bricks than to build multiple stick houses.We talk about when you should start considering another stream of income and what we're doing at Evergrow to not only increase the streams of revenue within our business but considering the tangential businesses and services we can operate that are complimentary to Evergrow.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

Cody and Jake were asked, "At which point should you take a salary at your agency?" which brings up a good point... when should you?The answer to this question has a lot of variables, especially if you're dealing with multiple owners of that agency.How much recurring profit is coming into the agency? Are you using the Profit First system? How are you forecasting?Although a salary leads to increased stability in your personal life, it often leads to inflexibility and instability in the business during the early stages.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Cody is jealous of Jake's electric razor)****Skip the Cold Open at 7:40**On this episode, we talk about common mistakes agency owners make when they choose to flex but can't back it up.It's incredibly easy for us to tell who is and isn't a legitimate agency owner by only having a short conversation. Furthermore, it's easy for your prospective clients to tell if you're not being truthful.Be honest about who you are, how big you are, and how many clients you have. This has actually gotten us more sales than pretending to be bigger than we are.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Jake's cigars and Cody solved the Google Ads suspension issue)****Skip the Cold Open at 13:20**We often get requests to handle SEO and PPC services for other freelancers and agency owners and we've always had a firm stance against it for a few reasons.In this episode, we explain why we don't white label and why white labeling your services could be a trap that works against your business.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Cody has to do Jake's job and hates it)****Skip the Cold Open at 3:25**We tend to get a lot of comments on the way we price our services and how we handle billing. Those questions might include things like why do we charge credit card processing fees to our clients? Why do we put our payment information in the ad account? Why do we bill forward vs execute the work and then bill back?We thought it'd be a good idea to answer all of these questions in one episode.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

We received an inquiry from a listener asking about how he could deal with contractors who weren't completing basic tasks such as time tracking.We decided to make this episode completely on how we handle not only underperforming contractors but employees as well. Ultimately, it starts at the hiring process and we get into why and how we pick our team but we also give really useful tips on how to manage team members when they aren't performing well or doing basic tasks or repeatedly missing something.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (The Russell Brunson thing... again)****Skip the Cold Open at 5:00**Google is picking a fight with us and suspending ad accounts over their own platform errors.Having your ad accounts get denied, disapproved, or suspended is every agency's worst nightmare and it's happening to us right now.In this episode, we go over what's going on with Google Ads and how we're fighting back. We also stress the importance of not having all of your eggs in one basket. Thankfully doing so has kept us safe from the issue we're dealing with Google on for the most part.in the middle of the episode, Cody talks about the article that he wrote on his website regarding this whole situation in order to get Google's attention. You can read that here:"Google Suspended Our Google Ads Accounts Over Their Mistake"----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Russell Brunson Punches a Kid?)****Skip the Cold Open at 11:06**A lot of agencies out there seem to still be charging things in a manner that isn't really conducive to a scalable model. Ultimately, what it comes down to is that the agency's owner is still stuck in a freelancer mindset.In this episode, we really dive into what it takes to get out of the freelancer mindset and start charging prices and packaging your services correctly so you're not putting too much work into the services you're selling based on what you're selling them for.We also make sure to cover how freelancers can start charging prices accordingly to set themselves up for correct and fair agency prices, even as a solo operator.If you're charging $20/hr then just get a job. If you're charging $2,000/hr... who do you think you are?----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold open (Jake takes a deep dive into agency Reddit and it sucks)****Skip the Cold Open at 10:20**Last year, we recorded from our hotel in Colombia and recapped our finances from 2022 and how much we grew.This year, we're doing the same thing and recapping 2023. We had some explosive growth and also faced some challenges along the way that caused us to not grow as much as we wanted to.We also cover things we spent more on and things we spent less on.----------------------------------If there's anything we've learned about owning a digital agency, it's that your online security is #1. After facing a Facebook hack with the hacker spending $30,000 on our ads account in a matter of 2 days, we've partnered up with Aura to monitor our online presence and secure our accounts.Secure yourself and your agency while supporting the podcast by running a scan of your personal information for free when you sign up for a free 14-day trial at aura.com/everbros.You can also get up to 50% off security and monitoring plans with the same link after your trial expires!----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Jake has a question for the audience)**We keep seeing gurus make the money part of owning an agency really simplified. How money is spent and finances are handled in an agency at $10k/mo and at $100k/mo look very different but no one talks about it.Cody and Jake do a deep dive in how money looks at different levels of the business.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Jake and Lauren sneak onto First Class train in Japan)****Skip the Cold Open at 13:18**There seems to be some confusion around the practical application of having a CRM in an agency. Jake aims to clear that up in this episode.Aside from the typical derailments, Jake talks about:What a CRM technically is (you're probably already using one and don't even know it)Why you should be using a free CRM at firstHow Jake uses it on a daily basisHow it helps Jake close more sales----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Jake and Cody talk about their Hubspot automation)****Skip the Cold Open at 7:08**There are many different lead generation agency models out there. On one hand, an agency can only be responsible for delivering leads. Another lead gen agency may also follow up with those leads for the client to make sure they close.We address why we don't like lead gen models in which it's the agency's responsibility to follow up with the leads.We also explain common objections to the idea of only supplying the leads and leaving the follow-ups and closing to the client such as:Knowing the close rate of the platforms you're driving leads on.Knowing your client's average close rates.Setting the right expectationsJake also explains that if you follow up and close leads for your client, you're taking a foot out of the marketing agency space and putting another in the "consulting and sales" space.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/Reddit: u/JakeHundley

**Cold Open (Cody's had his credit card hacked twice in two months)****Skip the Cold Open at 9:00**Jake and Cody answer the questions:What is networking?Who do you network with?Why should you network?For starters, it depends on what you're trying to do. Are you trying to grow your business or get better at growing your business? Because they're two different things.If you're trying to grow your business, Jake has tips and explains why you shouldn't care about networking with other agency owners. Instead, you should be networking with other professionals inside your niche that aren't agency owners.If you're trying to get better at growing your business, Cody talks tips and who to network with on the operations side... that is... other agency and business owners. But the challenge is knowing which agency owners to network with -- it's usually not the ones you meet online.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

Ahrefs has been in the SEO community chatter quite a bit since the pricing model change so we thought it'd be good to bring Tim Soulo himself on the podcast to talk a little bit about the reasoning behind that.But we wanted to get more value out of the episode than that.In this episode, Tim gives us some useful keyword research tips both using paid tools as well as free tools and sheds some light on the accuracy... or lack thereof... when it comes to the metrics that SEO tools spit out including how inaccurate Google's owned tools' metrics such as Search Console and Keyword Planner.Tim uncovers how Ahrefs does keyword research for their own blog using "Business Potential" keywords and the downside of using Google's free keyword tools.Additionally, if you're a longtime listener of the podcast, you know that Cody and Jake have been pretty anti-paid tools when it comes to SEO and SEO research. In this episode, hear Tim counter Cody and Jake's argument on the idea that paid tools aren't necessary for new agency owners.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------You can find Tim Soulo and Ahrefs at these profiles / locations:Twitter/X: @timsouloLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsoulo/YouTube: @AhrefsComWebsite: www.timsoulo.com/----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Jake's optimal morning)****Skip the Cold Open at 3:06**We hear a lot of people quitting their day jobs in order to start an agency in which they have no experience -- only "knowledge" they've gained from online resources.To be frank, this is a dumb idea.We have grown our agency to near the half-million dollar mark while Jake still has a full-time day job. Doing this has allowed safe and steady growth while keeping full-time benefits and the same standard of living.So where do we find time to run a successful agency while also dedicating 40 hours per week somewhere else?Well, we tell you how we did it and continue to do it in this episode.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Lissette is gone and we're sad)****Skip the Cold Open at 5:30**We keep seeing agency owners emphasize the importance of documenting processes in order to scale, but there are a few problems with this. Most people:Don't know how to document their processesDon't know where to put their documentationDon't know what to do with it once it's documentedDon't treat it like a living, breathing documentDon't even know what their processes areIn this episode, we go over what "documenting your processes" means, how we do it, what we do with it, what you should and shouldn't document, and where we organize it.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Cody is back from surgery)****Skip the Cold Open at 4:26**Jake is seeing way too many people looking for "appointment setters" and "high ticket closers" for agencies and SMMAs in Facebook groups.Building an agency off of this model will ultimately kill your agency.This also brings up an interesting point -- if you own a social media marketing agency... how good are your social media marketing services if you can't even get clients using the services you provide?Instead of complaining about the above, we talk about what you should be doing to get your clients and where to get them without appointment setters and high ticket closers.----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Jake has to do dad stuff)****Skip the Cold Open at 2:45**Cody and Jake often find listeners and other agency owners stuck. Whether they're stuck at only a few clients or struggling to move past $20k/mo, a few things keep popping up over and over again with these agencies who struggle to scale passed their current status.With these 6 things, nothing should be able to stop you from scaling your agency:You’re trying to scale too fastYou lack a foundationYour processes aren't outlined or documentedYou don't know your internal labor rateYou don't plan aheadYour product sucks----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Nobody with a beard is happy -- Cody has a beard)****Skip the Cold Open at 6:30**If you run ads for your clients, you've likely run into a few issues...The budgeted amount wasn't spentToo much was spentThe account spends inconsistently and you have to spend too much time managing the spendYou're getting too many accounts and it's hard to keep upWe discuss the 5 ways we manage client ad spend and budgets for platforms like Facebook and Google.We answer questions like:Whose card should be on file?If you plan to spend $500 in a month, how do you track and pace that to make sure you spend that?When do you need to pay attention to spend?What are ways you can prevent "doomsday scenarios" in which too much is spent?We break out how we manage client ad spend for over 50 accounts with 5 key points:Know who's legally responsible for overspendUse a daily budget trackerBeginning and end of month require more time for monthly accountsUse automated rulesLongterm honesty is better than short-term profits----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------

**Cold Open (Cody wears random shirts he finds / Having a tough week at Evergrow)****Skip the Cold Open at 6:41**We had a listener of ours ask what our opinion was on HighLevel (GHL) as he was hearing a lot of agency owners promoting it and it seemed to have a lot of features he could sell.I had a pretty honest conversation with him about why we don't use GHL and reasons why he should or should not use it.If you build your agency in someone else's playground, you don't have a good agency.As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Cody brings up NVIDIA article / When is chasing money no longer worth it?)**Skip to Cold Open at 8:07**We're joined by David Tobin of TobinLeff M&A Advisors to discuss what agencies need to consider when thinking about selling their business.Jake mentions how he sees a lot of small agency owners (freelancers) looking to sell their "agency" in groups. We ask David very pointed questions on whether it's even feasible to sell an agency that only consists of one person and a client list as well as what things businesses look for when acquiring an agency.Some questions David answers are:How can you tell how much an agency is worth?What kind of multiples can agencies sell for?What can agencies do now to sell for more?Why do people buy agencies and who is buying?What are things you need to know about your agency before you sell it?What questions are buyers asking?What's a realistic revenue number an agency should be at before selling?TobinLeff M&A Advisors is a team of advisors that helps business owners plan and facilitate exiting their business or acquiring other businesses through mergers and acquisitions. They'll not only facilitate the transition but also advise on your business now for a future acquisition or merger.As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.You can find more about TobinLeff at tobinleff.com or reach out to David Tobin on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/david-tobin-120658184/Other Resources:NVIDIA article Cody referenced in the Cold OpenTobinLeff: 10 Questions Buyers Will Ask When You Sell a BusinessTobinLeff: 7 Best Practices for Managing a Rewarding Exit PaydayWant to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Jake and Cody talk about rebranding the podcast)****Skip the Cold Open at 7:11**A listener of the podcast submitted really great questions and we wanted to take the time to respond to all of them on the show. This is part 2 from episode 74 where we answer questions 7-10.There were 10 questions, we answered the last 4 in this episode:Why did you decide on digital marketing?What did you wish you could have done sooner to make you more successful today?How do you avoid burnout?How long does it take to make a good salary?What's a salary I can expect in the first year?What have you gained from being your own boss?This episode is sponsored by Aura -- Your personal security is your agency's security. Sign up for a free trial and run a scan on your email and personal information to see if it has been picked up in a data breach at aura.com/everbros.As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Jake delivers a keynote at a lawn care business conference)****Skip the Cold Open at 7:42**A listener of the podcast submitted really great questions and we wanted to take the time to respond to all of them on the show.There were 10 questions, but we were only able to get to 6 of them on this episode:How did you learn more about building websites and utilizing SEO? What would you focus on learning first?Should I build my business first or learn marketing first?What do you do about health insurance? Is it expensive to provide it to employees?Can you tell me more about the importance of choosing a niche and why did you pick your niche?What limitations would Evergrow face if Jake didn't have Cody and vice-versa?What are some unexpected tasks you had to do whether you liked them or not?----------------------------------JOIN THE FREE DISCORDhttps://discord.gg/uvHRRRFVRDOur recommended agency tools:everbrospodcast.com/recommended-tools/----------------------------------⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.----------------------------------Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website, subscribe to us on YouTube, or connect with us on socials:YouTube: @agencygrowthpodcastTwitter/X: @theagency_uLinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/agencypodcastFacebook: facebook.com/theagencyuInstagram: @theagencyuReddit: r/agency & u/JakeHundleyTikTok: @agency.u

**Cold Open (Handkerchiefs / The Everbros Lost Episodes / Vulgarity)**Skip the Cold Open at 17:27**We see a lot of rookie mistakes new agency owners are making that's causing them to not get any sales or make it passed the $10k/mo mark.At its core, it comes down to commitment to your expertise and your niche.In this episode, we don't just tell you what we think the mistakes are, we also talk about things you can do to prevent these from affecting you and your agency.The 7 mistakes are:Having no skillsOutsourcingNot being an expertNot doing researchNiche hoppingStart-up costsNo clear goalOther mistakes we mention in this episode are:Not subscribing to Stacked Marketerhttps://www.stackedmarketer.com/friend-recommended/?rh_ref=9731be28Not leaving us a review or a rating on Spotify or AppleAs always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/**This note is for Matt Diggity. I mentioned you in the podcast and made a bet you'd get a Google Alert on your own name. Your part is at 54:30**

**Cold Open (Do you take non-professional email addresses seriously?)****Skip the Cold Open at 06:13**This week's episode comes to us a week after Jake talked about getting his Facebook account hacked and the implications that the hack had on the entire agency and our clients.During the period of this hack, Jake decided to partner with Aura. After getting his Facebook account back and getting the agency back up and running on the Facebook side of things, we thought it would be good to make agency owners aware of how easily usernames, passwords, and personal information get out there and how common hacks and data leaks are.What better way to do that than to bring Aura's SVP of Growth to talk about online security and what agency owners can do to prevent hacks and data leaks that compromise their operations?Jason Fragoso is the SVP of Growth at Aura, a rapidly growing AI-powered digital security company focused on keeping individuals and families safe online. To connect with Jason, check out his LinkedIn page at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonfragoso/As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Cody is sick... again / GoDaddy's Weird Marketing Strategy****Skip the Cold Open at 11:10**This is a topic we've been holding off on talking about until the dust settled -- but in July, Jake's Facebook account was hacked. It doesn't sound like a big deal until you realize that Jake's personal account is connected to all of our clients' ad accounts...Jake details what happened, what he had to do to get it back, and how he had to deal with the fallout with this basically crippling the agency's Facebook operations.Jake also talks about signing up with Aura to protect his digital identity and information moving forward and how the Everbros have now partnered with Aura.After this hack, Jake and Cody encourage you to sign up to Aura for a free 14-day trial (aura.com/everbros) to see what and how much information of yours has been leaked and which of your usernames, emails, and passwords are compromised.You can head over to aura.com/everbros to support the podcast and get your free trial.Podcast reference:**Jake talks about reaching out to Hacked to help recover his Facebook account. That link is hacked.com. This podcast is not sponsored by Hacked.As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content.Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Cool things about Colombia from Colombians)** **Skip the Cold Open at 10:03** On this episode, we're joined by Carolina Rincon and Isabel Gaviria from OnTop's legal team to discuss how agencies can hire and pay foreign and overseas contractors the right way from a centralized portal. We've talked about OnTop multiple times throughout the podcast so we thought we would bring them on. Many of our listeners rely on contracts to invoice them or pay them through payment processors like PayPal, Venmo, or Zelle -- but not every contract receives payment the same way, and with those apps, you don't have much security or control over when and how contractors receive their money. With OnTop (which we've used since March of 2022), you can manage contractor contracts and payment processing all from a centralized dashboard for a fee that's not any higher than the standard, local payroll tax. Additionally, contractors can choose to be paid in either their country's currency or your country's currency, which is a huge benefit for overseas contractors looking to be paid in USD. If you're looking at hiring contractors and want to do it the right way, reach out to Ontop at getontop.com. We're curious... how are you paying contractors? Head over to our website and post in the comments of this episode how you typically pay contractors. If you're listening on Spotify, you can do it right in the app. As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content. Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials: Twitter/X: @HundleyJake LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/ Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1 Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Cody asks Jake what his take is on wash rags...)** **Skip the Cold Open at 7:48** Jake was asked by a listener what goals we aim to achieve in our agency on a recurring basis. Frankly, there aren't a lot of goals we have. The more goals you have as a small agency the more analysis paralysis you experience and it keeps your eyes off of the true intentions of growing your agency. Cody also gives his take on goals in general and how he hates them. He also hates camping -- did you know that? Tell us what goals you have in your agency by heading over to our website and commenting on this episode. If you're listening on Spotify, you can do it right in the app. As always, if you enjoyed this episode or this podcast in general and want to leave us a review or rating, head over to Apple and let us know what you like! It helps us get found and motivates us to keep producing this free content. Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials: Twitter/X: @HundleyJake LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/ Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1 Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Homeownership is turning Jake into an old man. Jake also talks about his vole problem)** **Skip the Cold Open at 9:00** On this episode, Jake and Cody talk about the fallacy of the phrase "work on your business rather than in it". Too many people take this too literally and too soon. In order to work on your business, you have to work in it and you have to do it for a while. If you try to jump the gun and work on your business before doing the important work from working in it, you will operate a very short-lived business model. As always, if you enjoyed this episode or any other episode, leave us a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple. It helps us get found and gives us the motivation to keep producing this free content! Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials: Twitter/X: @HundleyJake LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/ Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1 Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (TikTok releases search ads / Subscribe to Stacked Marketer)** **Skip the Cold Open at 11:13** Cody and Jake talk about how adding more services to your offering won't necessarily get you more clients or help you grow. What you should do instead is figure out what you're actually selling. You're not selling SEO and Google Ads, you're selling leads. You're not selling organic social media posting, you're selling branding. Attempting to sell a service you're not an expert in is a slippery slope in the legitimacy and perception of your agency to your clients. As mentioned in the cold open, if you're not subscribed to Stacked Marketer, are you even a marketer? And as always, if you enjoyed this episode or any other episode, leave us a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple. It helps us get found and gives us the motivation to keep producing this free content! Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials: Twitter/X: @HundleyJake LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/ Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1 Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (We discuss the worst things we've ever bought online)** **Skip the Cold Open at 8:54** If you're looking for advice on scaling an ecommerce marketing agency, this episode is for you. Cody and Jake are pretty notorious for not speaking well of the ecommerce niche. Not because ecommerce is bad to get into but because ecommerce companies that have a high enough budget to pay agencies and remain profitable are few and far between. In this episode, we're joined by Mike Begg from AMZ Advisers, a 7-figure ecommerce marketing and consulting agency. Mike tells the Everbros how he scaled his agency, how he started, who he works with now, and how his services and pricing model works. We grill him more on his agency and his advice for other aspiring 7-figure ecommerce agency owners like: What is the ideal client when you're first starting out? Why doesn't he like working with founder-led organizations? What's his pricing model and what some other pricing models are? How he tracks ROI for his clients And much more Mike also talks about working in Mexico and doing business there -- even so far as to starting a company helping brands get into Mexico's ecommerce industry with GoAvance. Have more questions for Mike that we didn't ask him in this episode? You can find him on all of his personal socials below: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/m1ke_begg/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mbegg/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mike_begg Be sure to check out his business socials as well! Facebook: https://facebook.com/amzadvisers Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amzadvisers/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/10895001 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/amzadvisers

**Cold Open (Cody gets detained at customs)****Skip the Cold Open at 14:00**In this episode, Jake talks about his personal journey over the last 3.5 years going from a negative income making $42,500/year at an inside sales position at the beginning of 2020 to making $200k/year by 2023.Something that was not mentioned in this episode is that Jake had a negative income at $42,500, meaning more money was coming out for bills than was coming in from his day job. Additionally, Jake didn't graduate college, which made him hard to employ for a position that yielded a higher wage.This isn't a step-by-step guide or a how-to episode. We wanted to talk about this to show you what it looks like to not only make money by turning a side gig into a full agency but also growing your personal career life with a day job at the same time.Getting to the $200,000 mark obviously didn't happen overnight, but there were significant changes each year that added to the bottom line both on the Evergrow side and the career side.2019: Jake closes out the year at $42,5002020: Jake and Cody make money and Jake closes out the year at $80k2021: Jake and Cody have an explosive year and Jake takes a new day job, closing out the year at $125k2022-2023: Evergrow continues to grow pushing Jake to the $200k markCody asks the real questions about the problems Jake faced making $42.5k vs the problems he faces now and how things have changed as well as what things Jake still worries about.If you have any questions about Jake's journey or want to reach out to us, head over to our website at everbrospodcast.com.Also, if you liked this episode or any other one, leave us a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple! It really helps us get found and gives us the motivation to keep coming up with things to talk about and provide free content!Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/

**Cold Open (Jake asks what our biggest prediction flops were)****Skip the Cold Open at 4:16**Chris M. Walker, owner of Legiit and Superstar SEO joins us on this week's episode to talk about why it's important for you to know how to execute the service you're delivering and not simply hire a contractor to do it for you -- at least no without being somewhat of an expert yourself.We talk about how it isn't only unethical but it also isn't scaleable.We also cover:How Chris got started with his SEO career and started Superstar SEOHow and why Chris started LegiitHow an Alex Becker course was actually a catalyst for LegiitHow Chris used cold email to get clients when he first startedHow freelancers can use Legiit to get clientsAnd much moreLegiit.com is a platform where freelancers, agencies, and course creators can list their services where people are looking for those services. Unlike Upwork or Fiverr, buyers find you on Legiit, not the other way around.Superstar SEO is Chris' agency he started before creating Legiit where they offer SEO training, consulting, and managed SEO services -- all conveniently productized on legiit.com.You can find Chris on various social media platforms as well as his sites linked above:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/superstarseo/Twitter: twitter.com/cmwalkerFacebook: facebook.com/cmwlegiit/If you like this episode or any other episode, leave us a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple. It helps us get found and gives us the motivation to keep producing this free content!Want to connect with us? Reach out to us on the everbrospodcast.com website or connect with Jake on socials:Twitter/X: @HundleyJakeLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jake-hundley/Facebook: facebook.com/jake.hundley.1Instagram: instagram.com/jakehundley/