Show overview
Say Grace launched in 2025 and has put out 44 episodes in the time since. That works out to roughly 45 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a fortnightly cadence, with the show now in its 2nd season.
Episodes typically run an hour to ninety minutes — most land between 52 min and 1h 8m — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. Roughly 36% of episodes carry an explicit flag from the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Arts show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 1 weeks ago, with 10 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2025, with 34 episodes published. Published by Steve Palmer.
From the publisher
A soulful exploration of the hospitality industry through the eyes of celebrated restaurateur and author Steve Palmer. Combining the richness of grace—a pre-meal tradition in the South, a gift freely given, and a timeless virtue—with the transformative journey of hospitality, this podcast dives deep into the stories behind the industry. With heartfelt conversations, Palmer uncovers personal journeys of resilience, mental health breakthroughs, and sources of inspiration, showcasing how lives are shaped and changed by the world of service. Say Grace is your place to reflect, connect, and savor thoughtful narratives. Pull up a chair, and join the dialogue about food, people, and the grace that sustains them both.
Latest Episodes
View all 44 episodesEP 21: A Conversation with Bill Addison of the Los Angeles Times
EP 20: A Conversation with Rose Previte of Maydan

S2 Ep 19EP 19: A Conversation with Chef Alex Harrell of The Gloriette and Ben’s Friends
EChef Alex Harrell brings a blend of classical technique and deep respect for Southern technique and seasonal ingredients to his cooking. Raised in southeastern Alabama, he spent childhood weekends on his grandparents’ Gulf Coast farm harvesting produce and cooking with his father. After earning a biology degree from Hampden-Sydney College, Harrell discovered his passion for the kitchen while working at a beachside seafood restaurant. He then moved to New Orleans, cooking under acclaimed chefs Susan Spicer and Gerard Maras. Harrell later led celebrated restaurants including Sylvain and Angeline and opened The Elysian Bar. Today, he serves as Executive Chef at The Gloriette in Covington, Louisiana.In this episode, Alex sits down with Steve to talk about his journey to sobriety, his leadership role with Ben’s Friends, a support group for hospitality workers navigating addiction, and what first drew him to the hospitality industry, as well as what continues to keep him there today.If you or someone you know that works in the hospitality industry is struggling with addiction, visit bensfriendshope.com to find resources.

S2 Ep 18EP 18: A Conversation with Justin and Mia Devillier of La Petite Grocery
EChef Justin Devillier and Mia Devillier are the husband-and-wife team behind New Orleans’ beloved La Petite Grocery, where Justin serves as Chef/Owner and Mia as Director of Operations and co-owner. Raised in Dana Point, California, Justin’s early experiences fishing and diving along the Pacific coast sparked a lifelong passion for cooking. After moving to New Orleans in 2003, he worked in acclaimed kitchens before joining La Petite Grocery in 2004. He became Executive Chef in 2007 and, alongside Mia, purchased the restaurant in 2010. In 2016, Justin received the James Beard Award for Best Chef: South. Originally from Charleston, South Carolina, Mia brings a strong background in business and hospitality. Together, they have guided La Petite Grocery to national acclaim while fostering a culture of service-driven hospitality.In this episode, Justin and Mia sit down with Steve to discuss the evolution of the hospitality industry, their personal journey to becoming the owners of La Petite Grocery, and the challenges and joys of owning a restaurant.

S2 Ep 17EP 17: A Conversation with James London of Chubby Fish
EJames London is a Charleston native whose culinary career began at age 14. After graduating from the College of Charleston and training at The French Culinary Institute in New York, he went on to lead kitchens in New York City and San Francisco, including serving as Executive Chef at the Japanese restaurant Niko in SoHo. Returning home to the Lowcountry, he opened Chubby Fish, a dock-to-table seafood restaurant that quickly earned national acclaim. Under his leadership, Chubby Fish has been recognized by Bon Appétit, Food & Wine, Eater, and The New York Times, and received James Beard Award nominations for Best Chef: Southeast (2024) and Outstanding Restaurant (2025).In this episode, James sits down with Steve to discuss his path to becoming a chef, how he discovered his cooking style and the science of food, and what it’s like running “Charleston's most famous restaurant” right now.

S2 Ep 16EP 16: A Conversation with Kat Kinsman of Food & Wine
EKat Kinsman is the Executive Features Editor at Food & Wine. She is the author of Hi, Anxiety: Life with a Bad Case of Nerves, host of the award-winning podcast Tinfoil Swans, and founder of Chefs with Issues. Previously, she served as senior food and drinks editor at Extra Crispy, editor in chief of Tasting Table, and founding editor of CNN’s Eatocracy. A two-time IACP Award winner, with honors in 2024 and 2020, her work has also been included in The Best American Food Writing. She is an internationally sought-after keynote speaker and moderator on food culture and mental health in the hospitality industry, and a former vice chair of the James Beard Journalism Committee.In this episode, Kat joins Steve for a conversation about what inspired Kat to speak up about the prevailing mental health issues in the restaurant community, how the food media landscape has changed since the rise of social media, the power of connection in a digital age, and more.Thank you to Stolon Food Lab for allowing us to use the space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 15EP 15: A Conversation with Culinary Icon Wolfgang Puck
EWolfgang Puck is a chef, restaurateur, and culinary pioneer whose name is synonymous with innovation in modern cuisine. Born in Austria, he worked in some of Europe’s most renowned kitchens before moving to the United States, where his fusion of French technique, California sensibility, and global influences reshaped fine dining. In 1982, he opened Spago, a flagship restaurant that became an international phenomenon and earned multiple James Beard Awards. Over his career, he has built a global restaurant empire, authored bestselling cookbooks, starred in television series, and received many honors including the James Beard Lifetime Achievement Award, induction into the Culinary Hall of Fame, and a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.In this episode, Wolfgang joins Steve to share stories of his early years of training under his mentor in France, what it was like when Spago became a worldwide sensation, his transition into becoming the first celebrity chef, and his influence on modern American dining.Thank you to Wolfgang Puck and his team for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 14EP 14: A Conversation with Andrew Zimmern
EAndrew Zimmern is an Emmy- and four-time James Beard Award–winning chef, creator, producer, and storyteller who has built a career on the belief that food tells the world’s most important stories. Through his acclaimed shows including Bizarre Foods, The Zimmern List, and Family Dinner, he’s explored how food can bridge divides and inspire change. Beyond television, he founded Intuitive Content and Passport Hospitality, authored five books, and co-created the Emmy-nominated series Hope in the Water. As a Global Goodwill Ambassador for the UN World Food Programme and The Nature Conservancy, he continues to champion sustainability, fight hunger, and advocate for cultural understanding. In this episode, Andrew joins Steve to discuss his journey to sobriety and what sparked his decision to support the recovery community, how he landed in food media and how it has changed throughout the years, and how people can display hospitality in their everyday lives. Thank you to Stolon Food Lab for allowing us to use the space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 13EP 13: A Conversation with Hospitality Entrepreneur Brooks Reitz
EBrooks Reitz is a Charleston-based entrepreneur, investor, and writer. He is the owner of Leon's Oyster Shop, Little Jack's Tavern, and Melfi's, in Charleston, and The Bell, in New Orleans. He is also the founder of Jack Rudy Cocktail Co., a manufacturer of mixers and bar tools distributed internationally, and along with his wife, Erin, he is the co-founder of E.M. Reitz, making high-end shirts for women and men in NYC's Garment District. Via investments in brands like Blackbird and MUBI, he is focused on championing food, art, media, and culture; he writes his weekly newsletter, A Small & Simple Thing, available on Substack, through the lens of these experiences.In this episode, Brooks joins Steve to discuss how he discovered his love of hospitality, the ever-evolving Charleston culinary scene, and where he finds inspiration—both personally and professionally.Thank you to Stolon Food Lab for allowing us to use the space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 12EP 12: A New Year’s Message from Steve Palmer
EIn this special kick-off to 2026, host Steve Palmer and his previous and upcoming guests, including Frank Stitt, Kat Kinsman, Andrew Zimmern, and more, share thoughts on what trends we will see more (and less of) in the new year. Thank you to our studio partners for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 11EP 11: An End-of-Year Reflection from Steve Palmer
EIn this special holiday episode, host Steve Palmer takes a moment to reflect on the past year and highlight the important work his partners, community, and friends are doing within the hospitality community and beyond. Thank you to Sloss Real Estate for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 10EP 10: A Conversation with Hunter Lewis of Food & Wine
EHunter Lewis is the Editor-in-Chief of Food & Wine, a role he has held since 2017, overseeing the brand’s print, digital, and experiential platforms. He began his career in food journalism after leaving a newspaper job in Durham, North Carolina, for a spot in Jonathan Waxman’s kitchen at Barbuto. This experience shaped his editorial approach and deepened his connection to restaurant culture. His path through the food media industry includes leadership roles at Saveur, Bon Appétit, Southern Living, and Cooking Light, ultimately leading to his current position at Food & Wine. In this episode, Hunter joins Steve Palmer to talk through the early days of their careers, the evolution of traditional media, and how competition can benefit everyone.Thank you to Smithey Ironware and to Sloss Real Estate for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 9EP 9: A Conversation with John T. Edge, author of House of Smoke
EJohn T. Edge is the writer and host of the Emmy Award-winning television show TrueSouth on the SEC Network, ESPN, Disney, and Hulu. He also pens a beloved restaurant column for Garden & Gun and is the author of The Potlikker Papers: A Food History of the Modern South, which was named one of the best books of the year by NPR and Publishers Weekly. His most recent work is a memoir, House of Smoke: A Southerner Goes Searching for Home, which was published in September 2025 and has been met with great acclaim. In addition to his writing and storytelling, John serves the University of Mississippi as a teacher, writer-in-residence, and director of the Mississippi Lab, and mentors students in the University of Georgia’s MFA program in narrative nonfiction. In this episode, John T. sits down with Steve Palmer to explore Southern food culture and storytelling, reflect on his journey through roles in academia and food media, and unpack the important, layered themes that connect them.Thank you to Smithey Ironware and Sloss Real Estate for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 8EP 8: A Conversation with Frank Stitt
EFrank Stitt is the chef and owner of Highlands Bar & Grill, Bottega, and Chez Fonfon in Birmingham, AL, and one of the most influential voices in modern Southern cuisine. A multi–James Beard Award winner and accomplished author, he has played a pivotal role in redefining Southern dining on a national stage while helping put Birmingham’s culinary scene on the map. As a founding member of the Southern Foodways Alliance, he has also been instrumental in documenting and preserving the region’s rich food culture, championing local farmers, artisans, and traditions.In this episode, Frank joins Steve for a conversation that ranges from his early career as a young American chef working in Europe’s top kitchens, to exploring different cuisines in his restaurants, and the power of truly knowing an ingredient.Thank you to Smithey Ironware and Sloss Real Estate for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 7EP 7: A Thanksgiving Reflection with Steve Palmer
EIn this special solo episode, host Steve Palmer shares his perspective on navigating the holiday season—a time that can be especially challenging for many—as a recovering addict working in the hospitality industry. If you or someone you know in hospitality needs support this season (or any time of year), Ben’s Friends offers professional resources and a strong, compassionate community.Thank you to Pepper Place for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 6EP 6: A Conversation with Jon Murray of Noko
EJon Murray is the founder of Noko and Kase, two acclaimed East Nashville restaurants that blend Southern roots with a global point of view. With nearly two decades of hospitality experience, Jon is reshaping modern dining through purpose-driven concepts, people-first workplaces, and a commitment to thoughtful, intentional guest experiences. His work challenges industry norms while setting a new standard for creativity and care in contemporary hospitality.In this episode, Jon sits down with his long-time friend, Steve Palmer, to discuss the challenges of leadership, learning to balance multiple restaurant concepts, and their journey to sobriety through the “gift of desperation.”Thank you to Lagos Creative for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 5EP 5: A Conversation with Max Goldberg of Strategic Hospitality
EMax Goldberg is the co-owner of Strategic Hospitality, the group behind some of Nashville’s most celebrated restaurants and bars, including The Patterson House, The Catbird Seat, Bastion, Henrietta Red, Locust, and Kisser. Since founding the company with his brother Benjamin in 2006, he has helped shape Nashville’s dining culture and grown the group to more than 500 employees. He serves on several local boards, is a member of the Tennessee State Workforce Development Board, and has been recognized by Forbes’ 30 Under 30, Robb Report’s Rising Power Players in American Fine Dining, and as a multi-year James Beard Award nominee for Outstanding Restaurateur.In this episode, Max joins Steve for a conversation about the changing landscape of Nashville, how COVID shifted his perspective, what it’s like to work closely with his brother, and more.Thank you to Lagos Creative for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 4EP 4: A Conversation with Will Guidara, author of Unreasonable Hospitality
Will Guidara is the author of the New York Times Bestseller Unreasonable Hospitality. He is the former co-owner of Eleven Madison Park, which under his leadership was named the Best Restaurant in the World. He is the host of The Welcome Conference, a Co-Producer on the Emmy Award-winning series The Bear, and is a recipient of the Wall Street Journal Innovator Award.In this episode, Will sits down with Steve for an inspiring conversation that ranges from discussing the people who had the most influence on his career, to the evolution of the hospitality industry, to the importance of creativity and how to create something that will outlive us all.Thank you to Lagos Creative for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

Ep 3EP 3: A Conversation with Chef John Fleer
EA native of Winston-Salem, NC, Asheville-based Chef John Fleer has earned critical acclaim for the way he transforms local ingredients into world-class dishes. The unique "foothills cuisine" he helped establish at Tennessee's Blackberry Farm walked the line between refined and rugged; fancy and familiar. The "freestyle American" cuisine he later brought to downtown Asheville at Rhubarb and The Rhu offered a unique perspective on seasonal ingredients and celebrated his local partners. John has been recognized as one of "Rising Stars of the 21st Century" by the James Beard Foundation and is a five-time finalist for the organization's "Best Chef: Southeast." In this episode, John joins Steve for a conversation on discovering his culinary influence, the importance of place in dining experiences, and his difficult decision to close Rhubarb after eleven years and the journey that followed.Thank you to The Flat Iron Hotel for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.

S2 Ep 2EP 2: A Conversation with Graham House, Sean McMullen, and Sarah Charles Hereford of Luminosa
Executive Chef Graham House, Chef de Cuisine Sean McMullen, and Director of Food & Beverage Sarah Charles Hereford are the talented trio behind beloved restaurant Luminosa at The Flat Iron Hotel in Asheville. Known for its elegant yet approachable take on Italian cuisine, Luminosa celebrates the spirit of the mountains through local ingredients, seasonal flavors, and warm, polished hospitality. A Western North Carolina native, Graham marries Italian traditions with Appalachian sensibilities, creating dishes that honor both heritage and innovation. Sean brings nearly twenty years of experience and a deep knowledge of preservation techniques to the kitchen, grounding each dish in authenticity and care. Overseeing both Luminosa and the hotel's intimate speakeasy, Red Ribbon Society, Sarah infuses every guest experience with creativity and refinement. Together, they're redefining modern mountain dining with a unique perspective. In this episode, the Luminosa team joins Steve for a conversation about empathy in the kitchen, uniting their team with a common goal, and finding joy in cooking and service. Thank you to The Flat Iron Hotel for allowing us to use their space to film this episode.