Paul Green's MSP Marketing Podcast

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 289 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Accountable to no-one: A blessing or curse?: There is a huge benefit of being accountable to someone, and being accountable to your team is a great way to make sure you get things done. It forces you to plan ahead, be more disciplined, and be a better team player. The free MSP marketing tactic that nearly got me arrested: This is a lesson in lateral thinking. You don’t need lots of money to market your MSP, you just need a desire to get new clients, some ideas, and a little time to implement. How this MSP built a GREAT marketing system: My guest shares the warts and all story of how she grew her MSP, and how it really took off when she put in place a proper marketing system. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Should MSPs use WhatsApp for marketing? My answer to this question might surprise you. Accountable to no-one: A blessing or curse? The joys of being an MSP owner… complete control. Yeah you want to be always onboarding new clients and improving your tech stack and providing the best customer service. But if one week you don’t want to do those things, no one can stop you from not doing those things, because you’re the owner of the business. You’re the boss, right? Well, if right now you’re not accountable to anyone, there is a huge benefit of being accountable to someone. But who is this person you should answer to? Stick around, you’re not going to believe who I’m going to suggest. There are many reasons why someone starts their own business and I say that as someone who’s been in business for 20 years himself. People who don’t start their own business think that we do it so that we can earn more money and not have a boss. But I think those of us who’ve been doing it for more than a couple of years, which means we are going to keep doing it for a couple of decades, we know that we started our own business primarily to have control. And by that I mean control over what work we do, who we do it for and how it’s done. Most of us, I believe, start our own business because we have a deep desire to do something amazing and we want to control freak it all along the way. Sometimes when we work for someone else, we’ve had bad bosses. I know that I have, I’m looking at you, Terry, but also we’ve had good bosses. I’ve had some of those as well, fact loads of those. But escaping the boss is not always the reason why we start our own business. As I say, making more money and building an asset, something that you own, that’s the side benefit I believe of running your own business. I truly believe control is the primary driving factor for doing it and keep doing it. But nevermind all of these upsides of starting your own business and not having a boss, let’s look at the downsides as well. And I don’t really mean the fact that you for many years, worked longer hours than you ever have for probably a lower salary, that does eventually go, but it’s mostly a pain in the first few years, I don’t mean that stuff. I do mean the downsides of not having a boss. Because, and this might be hard to swallow, but there really are downsides to not having a boss. The biggest downside to not having a boss is that you are accountable to no one. Think back to when you la...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 288 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… 3 wins for MSPs on LinkedIn right now: LinkedIn is the hottest place for MSPs to go prospecting, the only snag is the algorithm changes. Here are three algorithmic wins for MSPs on LinkedIn right now. Does your MSP’s marketing have personality?: It’s hard to differentiate your MSP from your competitors, but one of the ways that you can do this is by making sure there’s real personality in all of your marketing. MSPs: How to sell unwanted client contracts: Could the process of finding new clients or getting rid of unwanted ones be as simple as ordering on Amazon or selling old clothes on Vinted? My guest has developed a hassle-free way to buy and sell managed service contracts. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: A common question I get asked is how often should we post on LinkedIn. The answer may surprise you… 3 wins for MSPs on LinkedIn right now Have no doubt, LinkedIn is the hottest place for MSPs to go prospecting right now. It’s been that way for a few years and I can’t see that changing. Why? Because every possible prospect you could ever do business with is already there on LinkedIn. And you have access to the tools to connect with them, get your content in front of them, and ultimately build a relationship before they’re ready to switch MSPs. The only snag with LinkedIn is that the algorithm changes and what worked a few years ago isn’t quite as powerful today. Let me tell you three wins for MSPs on LinkedIn right now. My team and I produce a lot of content intended for use on LinkedIn, and that’s for our MSP Marketing Edge members. Now of course, it can be used across lots of different social networks, but as I just said, LinkedIn is it. It’s the easiest and most accessible platform to access decision makers, the ordinary business owners and managers that you want to reach. And a couple of times a year, we do a bit of a deep dive on what’s going on in the algorithm at the moment. Because as you know on LinkedIn, the performance of your content is very much dependent on what the algorithm is trying to reward at that time. And you can see this change over the years if you use the platform regularly, In fact, any platform. I’ve noticed in the last few months that engagement in my Facebook groups has completely fallen off a cliff. And that’s nothing I’ve done and it’s nothing to do with the members of those groups, it’s just something that someone, somewhere, some vice president at Facebook has tweaked the algorithm and if I wait a few weeks, that engagement will come back. This has happened five or six times over the last 10 years or so. But anyway, back to LinkedIn and these are some of the wins that we’ve noticed from our research which are making a difference right now. I’ve got three of them for you. Win number one is to upload a PDF carousel. PDFs are performing very well on LinkedIn. They actually look beautiful when you see them in your feed on LinkedIn and they’re kind of easy to use as well, you just upload a document. The trick is to have carousels with many pages, aim for around about 12 pages, but each page only has a tiny amount of information on it. I mean, I’m talking literally like one sentence, half a sentence on each page. The idea is that peop...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 287 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Great marketing for Windows 10 end of life: There’s a hot new opportunity – Windows 10. This soon to be obsolete operating system is good for your MSP with this end of life marketing opportunity. Ask this cybersecurity question to speed past phone gatekeepers: Most MSPs really struggle to reach the person they want to speak to. This trick will help you get past the gatekeeper and start a much more productive conversation. Can you drive new revenue with DMARC?: DMARC isn’t just critical for ensuring messages reach people’s inboxes, my guest believes that DMARC can actually generate new leads and new revenue for your MSP. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: This week’s question is about getting more attention and engagement by adding personalised videos to emails. Find out which software options are available for this. Great marketing for Windows 10 end of life So you’re an MSP trying to find new clients and also increase revenue from your existing clients. Well tell me, have you heard about the hot new opportunity – Windows 10? Yeah, you heard that, right? But how could talking about an old, soon to be obsolete operating system be good for your MSP? Is this a credible way to win new clients or upsell your existing clients? Let’s find out about the Windows 10 end of life marketing opportunity. Five months. That’s what we’ve got until Windows 10 reaches its end of life and it’s been with us a decade you know, it first launched in 2015. Will you be sad to see it go or are you already a big fan of Windows 11? Anyway, that’s kind of irrelevant to this conversation, and I know that loads of MSPs still miss XP. I’m kind of joking there, although do you? But what we’re talking about here is using Windows 10 as a marketing opportunity, not only to win new clients but also to upsell your existing clients. You see anytime there’s a big enforced change in the marketplace, like a major operating system reaching its end of life, that creates an opportunity for you. And one of the key things in marketing is always putting yourself in the shoes of the person that you are trying to reach and influence. For an ordinary business owner or manager, Windows 10 reaching its end of life is going to be a bit of a shock to them in October. Not for you and me, they announced the 2025 end of life date four years ago can you believe. But what’s big in our world and surrounds us every day does not surround ordinary business owners and managers. And you and I both know that there will be many, many people running their businesses on Windows 10 with no idea that this is coming. And maybe their MSP or their break/fix outfit has told them, but they weren’t listening or they’ve ignored it and ignored it and ignored it, and then suddenly it’s October 2025 and it’s crept up on them. So what’s the best way to tackle this for prospects and for existing clients? Well, let’s look at those separately. And the easiest way to start is with the prospects. Now, I’m guessing you as an MSP have a preferred route forward at this point, in terms of what to do after Windows 10. So many MSPs will want their clients to upgrade to Windows 11. I do know a few MSPs that are still trying to hang on to Windows 10, and let’s...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 286 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How to get your MSP recommended by ChatGPT: Ordinary people don’t just use Google for search anymore, many searches are being done using generative AI platforms. Are you ready to find out about GEO and how to leverage it for your MSP? 3 marketing priorities for your MSP in May: Want to do something to speed up your MSP’s growth as we near the middle of the year? Here’s some marketing ideas for May. 99% of MSPs do no proactive client retention: MSPs generally hold on to clients long-term, but not necessarily by design. My guest tells us why we should build an “intentional” retention programme to help improve customer experience and drive growth. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Would your MSP survive without you for 3 months? Find out how you can prepare your business in the event of your absence. How to get your MSP recommended by ChatGPT I’ll admit this could be a contradiction. You need to market your MSP so you can find new clients, and no doubt you want to hear about specific tactics that are going to work for you. Now, normally my advice is to ignore shiny new things because most of the time they’re just unproven ideas and a complete waste of time. But this really is different. Have you heard about the tactic that could be huge for early adopters? Are you ready to find out about GEO, the evolution of SEO? Find out about the huge potential for MSPs, what the main advantage is and why you can’t afford to ignore this day one alert. More and more MSPs are starting to wake up to the fact that ordinary people don’t just use Google for search anymore. There are no hard stats about how many searches are being done using ChatGPT and other generative AI platforms. There are certainly lots of predictions that traditional search traffic will be down by 25% by the end of next year, but even without hard figures, there are times where a generative AI search does produce more useful results than a traditional Google search. Google is still great for looking up something quick, but generative AI is great for doing research into something complicated that you don’t really understand. And if we look at managed services from the point of view of ordinary decision makers, well that’s something complicated that they don’t really understand. Do we think it’s possible that business owners and managers are already using generative AI to research which MSPs they should switch to in their marketplace? If they’re not doing that already, then they’re certainly going to do it in the very near future. And this is where you have an opportunity to get into something right at the beginning. You see, just as the rise of search engines saw the birth of SEO, search engine optimisation, so the rise of generative AI has seen the birth of GEO, generative engine optimisation. It’s designed to help your website appear in the research results output by generative AI. Now, I’ve been reading a ton about this in the last few weeks, and there are three simple things that you can do to your website today, which will help...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 285 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… To grow your MSP, scrap these pointless tasks: One of the curses of the MSP owner is the never-ending list of things that you need to do. Use the 80/20 rule to identify the things that make the biggest difference to the growth of your business. Don’t be scared to present that cyber security webinar: Speaking at a seminar or a webinar can be an incredibly powerful way to attract prospects, warm them up and persuade them that your business is the one they can trust. Why so many MSPs fail at LinkedIn ads: LinkedIn is an insane lead generation and prospecting tool for MSPs, but which things should you do? I’ve hunted down one of only 90 certified LinkedIn experts in the world to find out. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: There is a word that you must never, ever use when you’re talking to prospects or clients. It’s a word that must be banished because using it can damage your chances of a sale or your retention. Can you guess what it is? To grow your MSP, scrap these pointless tasks Growing an MSP can sometimes feel like a game of poker, can’t it? If each and everything you could do to grow your business was a different card in your pack, choosing which cards to play can be overwhelming. And doesn’t it seem like the hand you’re dealt, everything that’s on your to-do list, just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So how do you decide which cards to play with and which to leave? How do you make sure you can quickly identify the things your MSP can do to become a real winner? The biggest problem with being an MSP is having a massive to-do list. Just shout back to me now as you are listening to this or watching it on YouTube. How many things do you have to do today or tomorrow? I’m guessing it’s like 20, 30, 40 things. Because that’s one of the curses of the MSP owner is there is a never ending list of things that you need to do just to look after your clients, never mind actually growing your business. And the net effect of that is that you can get to the end of another day and another, and another and another, and you’ve done the work that your business needs to do, but you haven’t grown the business at all. This is a common problem for MSPs and frankly, it’s a massive problem. The goal is to make a little progress every single day, and it feels frustrating when you don’t, doesn’t it? This is why I think sometimes you need to take an 80/20 approach to your list of things that you could do, and I’m sure you’ve heard of 80/20 before. It’s also known as the Pareto principle named after Vilfredo Pareto. He was an Italian economist in the 19th century, and he was busy harvesting peas in his garden when he made an interesting observation. He noticed that some pea pods had a lot more peas in them than others did. So he counted the number of peas in each pea pod. He clearly didn’t have a lot to do that day, but he found that 80% of the peas came from only 20% of the pea pods. And what was really interesting was he then later noticed the same pattern in how wealth was distributed in Italy in his home country. He found that 20% of the people in Italy owned 80% of the land, and these 20% were very wealthy. The remaining 80% of the population owned only 20% of the land. Now, don’t...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this EASTER SPECIAL – Episode 284 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. How one big decision changed this MSP owner’s life Featured guest: Steve Dempsey has been a Managed IT Services owner for over 25 years and only serves small businesses in several different markets in the UJS. In addition he owns a small SEO agency for MSP’s only to help them generate local organic leads for their business. Hello and welcome to this special for Easter. I’m joined today by MSP owner Steve Dempsey, who’s going to tell us his business owning journey. And trust me, you have never heard a story like this before. There are many highlights, one of the best being how he went from losing thousands in his business every month to making thousands, with one key decision. Steve is a unique and generous character, and you are going to love everything he has to talk about. Hey there, I’m Steve Dempsey. I’ve been in the IT business for 25 years and my main IT company is NeoTech Networks. And it’s so cool to finally get you here onto the podcast, Steve. We’ve got our special episode for Easter 2025, and I feel like you and I have both been in lots of the same places at the same time, but we’ve never had a quality conversation. You’re obviously highly active in The Tech Tribe, as am I. We nearly met at Scale Con, which was the big marketing conference in Vegas in October last year. I actually talked to you from the stage and we did some cool stuff where you were in the audience and I was on the stage, but we never found each other afterwards, so it’s absolutely crazy. But I’m delighted to have you here on the show. And the reason I want to have you here, well there’s two things that I want to talk about. The first of them is you are one of the most unique MSPs that I have ever come across and you have a very unique lifestyle and I want to explore today what your life is like and what you’ve had to go through to get to that life. And just as a bit of a tease for the many MSPs that will be listening to this on the podcast or indeed watching this on YouTube, Steve has an enviable lifestyle and it’s nothing to do with having lots of houses, a yacht, cars, anything like that. But Steve is living his best life and also has a great business. So that’s what we’re going to explore first of all. And then secondly, you have one of the most unique approaches to SEO, search engine optimisation, that I’ve ever come across. So I want to explore that because I know you had a huge amount of success for it, and indeed you are helping a small number of other MSPs to implement that in their business. But let’s start with the lifestyle stuff. So first of all, Steve, let’s hear your story. So you said in your intro you’ve been in the tech world for 25 years, which sounds like such a long time, doesn’t it? I’m 50. How old are you right now? I’ll be almost 52. Okay, so we’re more or less the same age then. Talking about 25 years, it sounds a lot and when you realise, hmm, that’s half of my life actually, that’s quite sobering in some respects. Tell us about your tech career then. So how did you get into tech in the first place? How did you start your first business? What’s your journey into this MSP space? To sum it up quickly, full disclosure, I actually never went to coll...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 283 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Can MSPs grow the business… by being idle?: Sometimes the fastest way to grow your MSP is to do less work, because it’s very difficult to do when your mind is constantly moving from task to task to task. That’s why you need to be idle. When did you last Google your MSP?: Do you know everything that’s being said about your MSP online? It’s time to discover your digital footprint. How to survive 30 years owning an MSP without a breakdown: My special guest has a unique insight into how MSP owners set themselves up to not just survive, but thrive over three decades of business ownership. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Have you considered selling your MSP at some point in the future but don’t know where to start? I have some great book recommendations to help. Can MSPs grow the business… by being idle? Just a warning, this is not the MSP growth advice you were expecting. As a busy MSP it’s all about getting things done and maximising your time, right? Well, sometimes yes, but are you ready to hear about a shocking way to grow that is the exact opposite. Because sometimes the fastest way to grow your MSP is to do as little work as possible. I’ll be honest with you, I’m a bit of a productivity junkie. Since way before I started my first business 20 years ago I’ve been reading books and listening to advice about how to get things done and constantly tweaking my productivity stack, if you’d like to call it that. I mean, the software that I use, of course. And you go back to the turn of the century when I was, obviously I’m very old now, but I was running a radio station back then and I was completely trapped in having too much work to do without enough time to do it. And that was actually what drove me to look at what are other people doing and how do they manage their time better. What used to be called time management back then, we now call it productivity, but it’s all the same thing really. We all have exactly at the same 24 hours in every day, and yet many people get a lot more done in their 24 hours than you and I might in ours. Why is that? Why does the work week pass so quickly week after week after week? The people who get the most things done are actually doing the smallest number of tasks, but they work on the tasks that make the biggest difference. Makes sense, doesn’t it? And the reason they know which tasks to work on is because they make sure they spend plenty of time being idle. You see, I said this was growth advice that you weren’t expecting… to get more done, you should do less? That doesn’t make sense, except it does. The core problem with tackling productivity with a view of I must get lots more done, is that you get trapped in being busy. And this is especially risky for an MSP because the very nature of your work is to be reactive and to be caught up with lots of details. And yes, I know they really do matter, and because of that you can easily fill your day with getting hundreds of small things done. But are they the things that move the needle? Are they the things that help you win more new clients, get those clients to buy from you more often, and get those clients to spend more every single time they buy? The chances are that they’re not. All o...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 282 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Being a better technician doesn’t grow the business: Being successful has less to do with being skilled and more to do with the way you think. You personally don’t need all the technical skills in order to grow a fantastic MSP, you hire people who can do those things for you. Should MSPs use AI robodiallers to make prospecting calls?: Is this a valid, smart marketing tactic or could it do harm to your MSP? The results I’ve experienced and the potential opportunities out there for your MSP may just surprise you. How to escape the chaos of being an MSP owner: My guest is an expert at saving business owners from the chaos of their business by adopting the right relationship with time. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Do you ever get stuck on what to write in your LinkedIn connection requests? I’ve got three examples for you to swipe and try. Being a better technician doesn’t grow the business If growing your MSP was like flying a plane, would you focus on building the biggest engine or just learning how to fly higher? Most MSPs assume the answer is raw power, more technical skills, better tools, deeper expertise. But strangely, some of the most profitable MSPs aren’t even run by technicians. So what’s really keeping some MSPs grounded while others climb higher and higher? If it’s not just technical know-how, then what is it? Stick around because once you see this, you’ll never look at your business the same way again. I’ve made it a deep habit to follow, read, listen, and learn from as many people as I can across my business career. In fact, I kind of wish this was a habit that I had as a teenager or in my early twenties, but there we go. And it does mean that over the last 25 years or so, I have read an insane amount of business and marketing books and blogs and courses, all sorts of other stuff. I’ve just been absorbing knowledge like a sponge. And of course, a huge amount of that knowledge has come into my head and left my head. Although I guess all the good ideas that you have, they get mashed together and they influence the way that you think and therefore the way that you act. Anyway, there was a specific phrase that I heard, and it was quite at the beginning of my learning career about 25 years ago, but it stuck with me, and it’s been very present in my mind for a very long time. If you are under the age of 30, please don’t laugh at me. As I tell you the delivery method on which I heard this piece of advice, it was actually on a cassette tape. I used to get a cassette sent to me, I think it was every week or every two weeks, by a guy called Peter Thompson, and he was huge in the field of personal development here in the UK, sort of back at the turn of the century. He’s actually still around today, I’m guessing he must be in his eighties, something like that, late seventies, early eighties. But back then I absorbed and loved every single thing that he put out. One day listening to one of his cassette tapes in the car, he said this sentence, and this is the thing that stayed with me all these years, this is what Peter Thompson said. He said, it’s your attitude and not your aptitude that determines your altitude. Is that insane or what? Because t...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 281 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… MSPs: Why April Fool is NOT a marketing opportunity: MSPs should avoid April Fools’ Day like the plague. Same with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and any big national or international event. Marketing on these days is just adding to the noise. Why would a business pick YOUR MSP, rather than a competitor?: Ordinary decision makers pick an MSP based on how they feel about them. Make their life easy by giving them a clear, emotional reason why they should pick you. MSPs: How to uncover opportunities you didn’t know existed: My special guest has a unique way of looking at marketing and how you can use human relationships as a powerful marketing weapon. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: This week’s question is about website traffic and how to track where it’s coming from – does your MSP do this? Find out my 3 easy implementation ideas. MSPs: Why April Fool is NOT a marketing opportunity Happy April Fools’ Day. Have you ever wondered if you’re missing out by not doing marketing for your MSP themed around today? I mean, loads of big companies do April Fools’ jokes, that makes it an opportunity right? In my opinion, no. I believe your MSP should avoid April Fools’ Day like the plague, the same with Thanksgiving, Christmas, and any big national or international event. And let me tell you why. This podcast episode and YouTube video has been released on the 1st of April, 2025, and when I was younger, I always used to really look forward to April Fools’ Day. As a child, it was to play jokes on my family who never found the jokes funny, but then as a young adult, I really used to enjoy the big April Fools’ jokes that companies would try and pull and they would do full page adverts in newspapers. If you were around in the nineties and naughties, you might remember this.Things like Taco Bell in the US, they announced that they bought the Liberty Bell and they were renaming it, the Taco Liberty Bell, it’s Genius. Or Burger King, they actually launched a left handed burger, so clever. The big tech companies have done this very well in recent years. Samsung said it was going to launch the Galaxy Blade Edge, a phone that’s so thin and sharp that you can also use it as a kitchen knife. And then Tinder, the dating app, they launched a fake height verification tool on April Fools’ Day, although as a former Tinder user, a nutter spotting tool would actually be much more useful. You might look at all of these gags put together by marketing departments of these big companies and ask yourself, I wonder what we should do to promote our MSP on April Fools’ Day? And there is an easy answer to this. Nothing. And it’s the same answer I would give you if you asked Paul, what should I do to promote my MSP around Thanksgiving… Valentine’s Day… Christmas… the Super Bowl? In fact, any big event that millions of people celebrate at the same time. The reality is when you do something at the same time that everyone else is doing that thing, then you’re just adding to the noise. It’s very hard to cut through when everyone is doing the same thing at the same time. And that’s why I never recommend that MSPs jump onto awareness weeks around cyber security, stuff like that, because you have exac...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 280 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… MSPs: You can (almost) never post too much content: Let’s dig into the suggested rules about the frequency of posting content for MSPs and how to do it in a way that you feel comfortable with. The best MSP marketing tactic I learned at an event: It was listening to talks from two marketing legends that inspired this new MSP marketing tactic, and I believe it’s one that you should start using. Why your MSP must be all over your Google Business Profile: You want more traffic to your MSP’s website and you’ve maybe even looked at how to improve your SEO, but did you know there’s a solid basic that you must get right first? Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Have you ever wondered what is being written about your business online? Find out how you can track this in one simple, free step. MSPs: You can (almost) never post too much content If LinkedIn is like an MSP goldmine, is there a risk you could over mine it? It’s a valid concern. So many MSPs are worried about this. When you’re looking for new clients and you know that you’ve got access to a gleaming rich source of them, whether that’s on LinkedIn or even in your email list, is there a risk you could annoy them by trying to mine them too often, by flooding them with content and messages? Let’s dig into the suggested rules about the frequency of posting content, how to do it in a way that you feel comfortable with, and the big opportunity for MSPs that are mining for new clients in 2025. I’m sure that as a technology expert, you hear the same questions all the time from your clients. In fact, could you list the top three things that people are most likely to ask you? Well, this is my experience as well, and almost every single day of the week I’m talking to a new MSP from somewhere. It could just be a chat on LinkedIn or maybe I’m doing a webinar and answering a question or whatever. And over the years, I’ve noticed that the questions I get asked are often very similar. People ask like, is LinkedIn still valid? They ask about their websites. They ask about whether or not they should be hiring marketing agencies and salespeople. One of the most common questions that I get is about content. How should content be posted and at what point does your content become overwhelming? Actually, the way that question is normally asked to me is by someone saying that they don’t want to send out more than one email a month or post no more than once a week on LinkedIn, because they’re scared that people will get sick of their content and sick of seeing stuff from them. Well, let me tell you the answer that I always give them. I believe as an MSP, you can almost never post too much content. It just couldn’t happen. Because marketing is not your superpower and to a certain extent it’s a bit of a distress activity for you, right? So you’re never going to do as much marketing as, for example, I might do. You’re simply not going to tackle it with the level of aggression that’s ultimately going to frustrate the people that that content is aimed at.

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 279 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… MSPs: Set up your phone person for success: Phoning leads and prospects to find out if they’re almost ready to switch from their incumbent MSP is the golden nugget opportunity. Here’s how to get the most from your phone person. How the Compound Effect helps MSPs do better marketing: If you want to have great marketing that delivers one new client a month, then you need to make some sacrifices and have LOTS of discipline. Why MSPs must build a personal brand on LinkedIn: My special guest explains how to build a personal brand on LinkedIn. He can help you to get over your fears and show you why your leads and prospects will see you and your MSP differently. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Do you capture success stories from clients that your MSP has really helped? Find out the best format for doing so in this episode. MSPs: Set up your phone person for success This is the hardest role to recruit for in your MSP, but when you get it right, it can lead to an explosion in sales. Now you thought it was hard finding a decent level three technician or a service desk manager. Well, no, this role is even harder. And even though thousands of people can do it, you wouldn’t want to hire the vast majority of them. Let me tell you what this role is, why it’s so important in your MSP and how to find the perfect person for you, someone who’s going to help you win new clients and grow your profit. Now, this might be controversial to some, but I believe that every MSP should have an in-house person making outbound phone calls. Phoning leads and prospects and trying to find the golden nugget opportunity. That’s when an ordinary business owner or manager is kind of almost ready to switch from their incumbent MSP, and it’s the best time to start talking to someone. Having a phone person, well, they can find them purely through doing the hard work and that’s doing something that you personally would never want to do, which is of course, picking up the phone repeatedly day after day after day, just calling these people. And these aren’t sales calls, by the way, this is not some kind of Wolf of Wall Street boiler room. These are relationship building calls, to find out who is nearly ready, willing, and able to have a conversation about switching MSPs. And then book in a 15 minute video discovery call with whoever does the selling in your business, which of course might be you or you might have a salesperson. And then you or the salesperson does the heavy lifting of booking the actual face-to-face sales appointment and of course closing the client. I know that you can do that. If I can get you in front of the right people, you can do that, right? Well, this is one of the best ways to get those 15 minute zooms. As I said, it’s an in-house person role rather than using a telemarketing agency. And there are some telemarketing agencies out there, some great ones out there, but there are also many rotten ones. And I always like to take a long-term view with any kind of marketing infrastructure that you’re putting in place. So honestly, I do believe you’ll be better off hiring someone to work within your MSP doing this. They may actually be based at home, but they’re just doing it for you. They’re not doing it for anyone else.

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 278 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Optimize your MSP’s marketing for voice & AI search?: AI and voice search is on the rise – let’s find out if you can use it to get more traffic to your website. The perfect MSP sales promotion, that’s 1,000% GUARANTEED to work: What has worked really well for you in the past but for some reason you just stopped doing it? Perhaps it’s time to re-start it but with a better system in place. A simple MSP marketing framework you can swipe: MSPs are often at risk of making marketing way too complicated. My guest shares a simple marketing framework that you can adapt to suit your business. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Do you perceive marketing as too creative or something outside of your comfort zone? It’s actually more logical than you might think. Optimize your MSP’s marketing for voice & AI search? Are you doing your MSP’s SEO wrong? Make sure you hear this first. Because if your MSP could really do with finding new clients and you need them to find your website, everything could be changing with search engine optimisation. Why? Because AI and voice search is on the rise. So let’s find out if you can use it to get more traffic to your website and whether you need to change your MSP’s marketing plan. Tell me, how often do you search for answers using just your voice and how often do you use an AI tool to search? Whichever specific tools you prefer to use, I think we can all agree that sometimes it’s just easier to ask Alexa or Siri to search for something or get ChatGPT to do a whole ton of research for us. But have you yet considered how that might affect driving traffic to your MSP’s website? We don’t talk a lot about SEO, search engine optimization, on this podcast or in these YouTube videos. I’m not an expert at SEO, there are much better people than me at this and I prefer to get on guests to talk about subjects where I don’t have a specific expertise. But I think we can take a holistic overview of the change in something as big as search. Now if you are as old as me, he says looking at his gray hair, you’ll remember when search was really clunky and difficult…yep, I’m talking about you AltaVista, back in the last millennium, and I’m feeling every single one of my 50 years right now. But honestly, if you weren’t alive back in the mid to late nineties, you have no idea how bad search was. Yahoo was kind of doing its own thing by doing it manually. It was compiling manual links and editor driven lists of stuff. And then you had kind of basic search engines like AltaVista. There was a popular one here in the UK that was called Ask Jeeves, like a butler type character, and I think that was ask.com across the world. Now of course, we didn’t know that the search experience was bad until something way, way better came along, and that thing was Google. Google really did change everything back in the day. Its method of crawling the web and ranking web pages according to backlinks, which is how many other sites actually connect to them. And also its ability to figure out what the page was about, that was revolutionary at the time. And you can argue that Google has been so utterly dominant in search in the last 25 years and even though that dominance is now under threat from a number of different ways, the next big shift after Google came along was of course the shi...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 277 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… No idea where to start with your MSP’s marketing? Start Here: Discover the most important marketing things that will bring new leads into your MSP in my brand new, easy to read book. People only buy managed services for one of two reasons: Most purchases are made to either fix a problem (needs), or to make the buyer feel good (wants). You should offer an almost endless supply of additional services to meet these two criteria. The MSP mindset that grows your business: Building a successful MSP isn’t just about what you do, it’s also very much about the way you think. If you and your technicians adopt this way of thinking, then you’ll achieve immense things. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Freeing up your time is a challenge but absolutely essential to the growth of your MSP. Here’s the simplest way to achieve it. No idea where to start with your MSP’s marketing? Start Here Does this sound familiar? Are you completely overwhelmed with what marketing you should be doing in the short amount of time you have to do it? Well, many MSPs are in this exact situation. There’s so much information and advice out there, the problem is actually cutting through all the noise and figuring out exactly what you should do and in what order. I spent years figuring this out and refining it. And finally, you can discover the most important marketing things that will bring new leads into your MSP. They’re all in my brand new, easy to read book. Stick around for some of the best highlights. One of the coolest things about recording a podcast or doing YouTube videos or even writing a blog every week is that it allows you to go back and see where your mind was years and years before. I’ve been working with MSPs since 2016, and the core marketing advice that I’m giving to you today is no different to the advice that I was giving nine years ago. Sure, some of the tactics have changed, but the good solid basic marketing strategy is exactly the same. Because a good strategy doesn’t change for decades, it’s just the tactics that change. What I’ve really noticed over the last four or five years is that I’ve got considerably better at explaining what you should do in an easier and easier way. And I’ve spoken to thousands of MSPs over the years and I realised that the majority of them, they don’t want highly advanced marketing tactics and clever strategies that are actually quite difficult to implement. The vast majority of MSPs I speak to just want marketing to be easy. They want clear, simple recommendations of what to do and how to do it. And that’s driven me to refine my three-step lead generation system and the tasks that I believe you most need to do are contained within that. Now, I don’t think this is a mission that’s ever really completed, but in the last year or so, I believe I have made a big jump forward. And one thing that’s helped me with that is writing a book on this subject. It’s actually just gone on sale on Amazon worldwide. You can get it on your Kindle, including in the free Kindle library thing. You can also get a paperback copy. Now I’ve written a few over the years, but I genuinely believe that this one is the most powerful book I’ve ever written, because it’s the easiest to understand. It’s called

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 276 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Happy client? Ask for a testimonial NOW: There is a perfect moment to ask your clients for a testimonial or review. This social proof is really important, and when you systemise collecting it, it’s going to make your life so much easier. Why MSPs should add new LinkedIn connections every day: LinkedIn is the single most important place for MSPs to go marketing right now and I’m going to tell you the best way to leverage it. How this MSP marketer grew the business: There’s no better way for you to find the right ideas to market your business than listening to other people who are doing it right now. My guest talks us through what he’s done and what you can take away and implement quickly. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Do you know what a vanity URL is and have you ever wondered if you need one? An MSP has asked the question which I answer in this episode. Happy client? Ask for a testimonial NOW What if I told you there was a perfect moment to ask your MSP’s clients for a testimonial or review. But you must act on it super quickly, as that moment will very fast vanish. If you struggle to collect social proof from your clients, this is going to make your life so much easier and even allow you to systemise getting testimonials and reviews from your happiest clients. So we all know that social proof is really, really important. Social proof is when people see other people like them acting in a certain way, and it gives them kind of a feeling of safety to know that other people have already tread the path that they are thinking of treading. And what I mean by that is collecting testimonials, reviews, and case studies from your existing clients, and then using that “social proof”, as it’s called, to persuade other people to pick your MSP. You’ll be perceived as a safer choice by business owners and managers if they see that other business owners and managers have already picked you and are happy to endorse you. Now, you’ve probably heard this before, but maybe there’s been something that’s been holding you back from collecting lots of social proof. Maybe it’s just been you simply haven’t had enough time, too many things to do, right? Or maybe you felt a little awkward asking your clients to give you a review or a testimonial. I mean, they’re already paying you money every month, surely you can’t ask them for something else, can you? Well, as a side note, yes you can. In fact, your best clients are often the most delighted to give you a testimonial or review because they want to see you succeed so that they can continue to enjoy your service. Whatever the reason you don’t have enough social proof yet, let me tell you the perfect moment to go asking for it. You’re looking for the point at which your client is at their happiest, and we can actually predict when this will be. There are two, maybe three times that they’re most likely to be at their happiest, and the first will be about 90 days after they very first joined you. So that first month is always a little bit manic, isn’t it? As you are onboarding them and you are migrating any services away from their previous MSP. And then the second and third months are where you work your magic and where the really good stuff happens. So they see lit...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 275 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Why the tough life of an MSP owner is worth it: Running a business can feel like it’s sucking all your time and energy, but the big picture is that you can work towards the lifestyle you most want to live. How a messy office damages your MSP’s sales: Is your office a pristine, tidy space with zero mess or an untidy space packed with clutter? Find out why your environment impacts your effectiveness. EXCLUSIVE: How to reduce tickets while delighting clients: My guest explains why digital organisation is vital for business health and how you can help clients consolidate, archive and purge their data for a more effecient work flow. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Do you ever wonder how happy your staff are? I have the questions to help you find out the answer. Why the tough life of an MSP owner is worth it What is it with people like you and me running on fumes? If you’re running an MSP, I know what it’s like right now. That boost you had from time off over Christmas, all that recharging festive fuel, that was months ago. It’s all long gone. And yet we keep pushing, don’t we mile after mile after mile, hoping we can keep the business going, hoping we can keep it growing. But is this actually the best way to run an MSP? Stick around to be reminded why we do this, how to keep your energy levels up and the unexpected benefit to your life and lifestyle in the long-term. So this is my 20th year as a business owner and my goodness that has gone so quickly. I kid you not, I was 30 when I started my first business and I was young and cool and now I’m this old man, I’m age 50, I’ve got the creaky back, I’ve got a dodgy knee. And if you’re in your twenties or thirties right now, do not get cocky kid. This is going to happen to you as well. Although by the time that you reach the age the I am now, I’ll be in a nursing home, anyway. One of the constants of being a business owner is that it is hard work. I have a great business now with a great team at the MSP Marketing Edge and we do great work for MSPs all over the world with our service. But I still have weeks where I’m working more hours than someone with a job would. If I worked for someone else in a job, I would never do those 50, 60 week hours, rarely anyway. And if I look back over the last 20 years, there have been many of those periods of time where you throw yourself into projects or problems or whatever it is. I’m sure you do exactly the same. The truth is only business owners can understand this… Running a business that you own is more than just something you do. It’s more than just a job. It’s very much a way of life. It has a unique way of sucking every single last ounce of energy and every last second of time out of you. And do you know, as I hear myself saying that, I realise that I’m not really painting it in a very good light for someone who’s actually thinking of starting their own MSP. So sorry if that’s you. But I think actually before anyone starts their own business, really they need to understand the downsides as well as the upsides. It is an all consuming thing and especially so with an MSP because running an MSP is surely running one of the most difficult kinds of businesses in the world. There are so many details you need to be across,...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 274 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Are audits still a good sales tool for MSPs?: Sell something small to start building a relationship before selling the thing you really want, which is of course, a managed services contract. Every MSP needs this strategic referral deal: There could be an opportunity for you to set up a win-win relationship with a local web agency near you, and it could get you more clients. Why your marketing must be about the prospect, not you: Your potential clients don’t care about you… they care about how you can help their business, so your marketing must be about them. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: How can you stop clients from contacting you directly? I have 9 suggestions for you to try. Are audits still a good sales tool for MSPs? If a client tells you they’ve got a Trojan, your heart sinks. But what if there was a kind of Trojan that actually made you happy because it meant that you were going to make some more money and win some new clients. And don’t worry, I’m not suggesting you infect people’s computers, but let’s talk about why this sales Trojan is a good one, how it can boost your sales and ultimately have a powerful positive impact on your MSP. We all know what a Trojan horse is, and we all know the Greek myth that gave it that name. But of course, we also know its place within cyber security, perhaps a term that was maybe used more in the past than it is today. But I believe you can use a sales Trojan horse. So what is this? It’s where you sell something small to someone to start building a relationship with them ahead of the thing you really want to sell them, which is of course, a managed services contract. As an example, you would sell them a low level service first, with the knowledge that you’re going to overdeliver, do a great job, totally delight them. And that’s going to help you to sell them a proper monthly recurring revenue managed services contracts down the line, which is always the goal of everything we’re trying to do here. MRR first. There is only MRR, everything else is just establishing the setup of more MRR. The beauty of a sales Trojan horse is that it’s a lot easier to sell someone something small than it is to ask them for a 12, 24 or 36 month contract. They might not understand technology at the level you do but they do understand that if and when something goes wrong, their business is completely screwed. So by selling them something small first, it gives you the opportunity to build up a level of trust with them to build a relationship. And this actually has a term within marketing. It’s called front end backend marketing. Maybe you’ve seen one of these people online selling something, perhaps doing something like a giveaway where they ask you to pay a little bit for postage and packing. So the thing they’re giving away, the book or whatever is free, you just pay the postage and packing. Or maybe you get a huge value item for $20, something like that. And what this person is really trying to get you to do is to buy something and feel satisfied with it, and then you’ll go on and you’ll buy something more expensive from them in the background or what’s known as the backend. They probably don’t make any money from selling you the book or the $20 item or whatever it is, but they will...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 273 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… “Why does my MSP’s marketing NEVER work?”: Discover how to pinpoint what’s holding your marketing back, how to turn it into a system that works, and why this approach could unlock new growth for your business. Which is better for MSPs: Syndicated blogs or original content?: Up-to-date blog content on your website shows your MSP is active and it’s also great for demonstrating expertise and authority in technology. Aim to post a blog article at least once a week. Why technicians procrastinate… and what to do about it: Have you ever wondered why we sometimes choose to do something easy rather than something that’s urgent? My guest shares some great insights on combatting procrastination. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: This week’s question is about billboard advertising – is this a good idea for MSPs? “Why does my MSP’s marketing NEVER work?” Have you got a cold, sinking feeling because no matter what marketing you seem to attempt, none of it seems to be working? You’re not alone. Many MSPs get the chills about this. When nothing seems to be working, it’s hard to know where to begin fixing it. But here is the good news. Right now, you are going to discover how to pinpoint what’s holding your marketing back, how to turn it into a system that works, and why this approach could unlock new growth for your business. One of the most common complaints I hear from MSPs is that their marketing just isn’t working. It doesn’t help that what you’re trying to sell has one of the most complex and longest sales cycles around. Managed services is very difficult to market and sell compared to many other things. For example, if you were running a business that sells widgets, it would be a lot easier for you to get traffic to your site, to get leads, to get inquiries and of course sales and get those widgets out the door. But you don’t. You sell managed services. And by the way, the flip side of this is that you keep your clients longer and they spend a lot more money with you. You have the kind of stats that widget manufacturers would be very, very jealous of. But why does an MSP’s marketing typically not work? And if you feel like you are doing lots of marketing, but you’re seeing little return, where do you start fixing it? You have to break all of your marketing down into its component parts and examine each one. And ask yourself two very big questions… The first of those is whether or not you are using the right marketing strategy? Let’s look at strategy. Sometimes I’ll be talking to an MSP who says they’re doing loads of marketing, but what they’re actually doing is creating a lot of disjointed noise. Just because you’re posting regularly on LinkedIn, that has no power unless it’s guided by a marketing strategy. Now my favourite strategy, which I talk about all the time, is very, very simple to communicate. It is just six words, but it’s the most powerful marketing strategy that any MSP can use. In fact, any B2B business, because I use this for my own marketing as well. The strategy is – build audiences, grow relationships, convert relationships. It’s a three step strategy, which you can also use as a three-step marketing system. In fact, we built our entire MSP Marketing Edge service around this. So you build up audiences of people to...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 272 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… An MSP marketing tactic guaranteed to grab attention: Doing this means you can reach more people and persuade them to talk to you with much less work. Want a new client? You can afford to spend this much: Don’t be distracted by the short-term costs of getting a new client. Instead, focus on the long-term revenue and profit they will bring you. Compliance isn’t a headache. For MSPs it should be a profit centre: It’s very powerful to send a message to a business owner talking about a specific problem they have because of a regulation, and exactly how they can fix it. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Could gamification be what you need to motivate your team? An MSP marketing tactic guaranteed to grab attention Imagine doing some marketing for your MSP that’s so relevant to the person who sees it, they immediately stop what they’re doing just to listen to you. And yes, it is possible for your marketing to be this powerful. It means you can reach more people and persuade them to talk to you with much less work. Let me tell you the surprising secret to this kind of marketing and you won’t believe what I’m going to ask you to Google. Now, I should start by admitting that this isn’t really a marketing tactic that you can use for a general audience. It only works when you use it for a vertical. Your MSP doesn’t have to only work in this vertical. You can have lots of different clients doing lots of different things in lots of different sectors, but this specific marketing idea only works for a vertical audience, and you can’t just reuse it across different verticals. You have to do some research for each vertical that you are using this tactic to target people in. But the payoff is immense because targeting to a vertical is already a beautiful thing to do. It’s so much easier to send a message that’s highly relevant to an audience within a vertical. So for example, if you’re targeting lawyers and you use the phrase legal practice, the part of their brain that filters information, which is called the reticular activating system, it decides that what you are saying is relevant to them. So they ignore stuff that’s aimed at general business owners and managers, and they listen to stuff that seems to be targeted at lawyers. And that works across all verticals. Now, this new marketing idea that I have for you right now is even more specific. Okay, enough teasing. Let me tell you what it is. So you pick a vertical that you want to win more business in, and then you do some Googling. And what you’re looking for on Google is specific regulations regarding cyber security or data retention, or in fact, anything that you touch. Specific regulations that affect that vertical. So for example, let’s say you work with healthcare, there’s going to be tons of regulations or laws specifically aimed at healthcare businesses. Lawyers will have them, CPAs/accountants will definitely have them. Manufacturers will probably have them as well. So go and find that regulation. In an ideal world, you would then talk to so...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 271 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How to influence what John Smith buys: Your prospects don’t really understand technology and that can create fear. The smartest MSPs build trust and ease those fears by positioning themselves as the go-to tech authority in their marketplace. Find out how… 3 more bootstrap marketing ideas for MSPs: Let’s explore how to strike gold by turning your existing assets into lead generators, using simple tactics to attract new clients and unlock hidden revenue opportunities… without spending a penny. How motion graphics make complex sales easier: Simple visual tools, like animated videos, can attract prospects by helping to explain complex concepts and products. Could this be what your MSP needs to turn your website into a lead generation machine? Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Are you struggling with writer’s block? Elliot from an MSP in Manchester (UK) is too. I have 3 suggestions to help. How to influence what John Smith buys Have you ever seen someone wrestle with a Rubik’s cube? Well, that’s how most business owners feel about technology. They’re fascinated by what it can do, but frustrated by its complexity. So here’s an exciting thought. If their mind is boggled, that creates a massive opportunity for your MSP to unboggle it. Let’s explore how the smartest MSPs build trust to ease those fears and position themselves as the go-to tech authority in their marketplace. And yes, you can do this too. Somewhere in one of the hundreds of business and marketing books that I’ve read over the years is one of my favourite phrases, and here it is – To influence what John Smith buys, you must look through John Smith’s eyes. And in this instance, John Smith is the ordinary business owner or manager that you want to reach and influence to buy from you and not one of your competitors. You have to really understand what it’s like to be John Smith, in order to persuade him that your MSP is the one he should choose. Let’s do that right now. Let’s imagine John lives in your town and he’s the owner of a small CPA, a small accounting firm. Let’s ignore that old joke that all accountants are dull, although actually we do know this to be the truth, don’t we? But anyway, don’t worry about that. What is day-to-day life like for John running his business? Well, of course technology is mission critical for an accountancy practice, and yet we can probably guess that John hasn’t invested well over the years. So he and his team, maybe they’re using older technology still – they’re definitely still on Windows 10, might even be a Windows 8 machine clunking away somewhere… maybe an XP machine, that might be pushing it too far. Their internet is okay at best, and cyber security is very much something that they just pay lip service to. John’s mindset is that he pays Microsoft, maybe an MSP, perhaps a break/fix company somewhere. He pays the money every now and again or every month, so surely all of the security and everything should be all sorted out, right? That’s his kind of accountant’s attitude towards it. And this attitude towards technology probably means that John suffers from lots of downtime or at the very least, interruptions to his productivity. And I bet his staff complain a lot too. The subtext of this approach to...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 270 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… If your clients are happy, this KPI will be high: Net Revenue Retention (NRR) is a quality score where you measure how well you have done at retaining revenue over the last 12 months and assessing whether it has grown. 3 bootstrap marketing ideas for MSPs: Marketing doesn’t have to cost a load of cash. If you have a member of staff with a spare few hours each week, you can invest their time into these low cost or no cost marketing tasks for your MSP. Your MSP’s growth priorities for 2025: My special guest, a turnaround expert, tells us how to plan the year ahead with clarity, focus, and fresh momentum. You’ll discover how to organise your priorities, craft a winning growth strategy, and create a story for 2025 that’s really worth celebrating. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Ryan, from an MSP in San Diego, wants to know why it’s so important to fix his website as a matter of priority. If your clients are happy, this KPI will be high Your MSP’s bank balance might look great and you might be impressed with your other KPIs. But there’s a hidden one that I bet you $5 you never look at. Yet it could flip things completely. Most MSPs have never heard of this key performance indicator, and yet it’s the ultimate quality check for any recurring revenue business. In just a few minutes, you’ll find out what this secret KPI is, how to calculate it in under 10 minutes and exactly what score proves that you are running a truly outstanding MSP. One of the things I love about working in the channel is that every day is a school day and you never ever feel like you have finally learned everything. This, in 2025, is my ninth year working with MSPs and honestly, I feel like I learn so much every single day. And as someone who has a passion, and a need in fact, for constant learning, I do find this exciting and not at all tiring. In fact, just a few months back I was chatting to an MSP and we were talking about how much progress their business has made over the last couple of years. It’s been actually astonishing. And then he said to me how delighted he was with the performance of his NRR, and that’s N, as in N for November, not MRR, which is M for mother. And of course we know what MRR is. It’s monthly recurring revenue. What is NRR? It stands for Net Revenue Retention – essentially, which clients that we had last year are still here this year. It’s a quality score. It’s something that is used a lot by SaaS businesses (subscription as a service businesses) and all subscription businesses typically use it, just not normally MSPs. But if you are looking for more ways to measure how good a job you’re doing, this could be it. So let me tell you how you’d measure this and what good performance looks like. This will be a great time of year to measure it because you could kind of look back to the end of 2023 or the beginning of 2024 and look at the clients you had then and ask how many of those clients do we still have today? What was the value of their monthly recurring revenue a year...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this SPECIAL edition of the show, Episode 269, of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week I’ve got the last of my special episodes for you, where you’ll discover how my guest grew his MSP to 450 clients, 35 staff and $7m revenue. How to own an MSP doing $7m a year Featured guest: Steve McNamara is the visionary founder and CEO of DTC, Inc., an MSP that has been a cornerstone of IT support for over 25 years. Established in 1999, DTC began as a small operation focused on serving the dental community, quickly evolving into one of the largest dental IT support companies in the Mid-Atlantic region. Under Steve’s leadership, the company has expanded its reach beyond Maryland to include clients in Virginia, Delaware, and Pennsylvania, now boasting over 450 clients and a dedicated team of more than 35 employees. Steve built DTC from the ground up with his first hire, Scott Leister, who now serves as the DevSecOps engineer. Steve has remained committed to the core mission of making IT work for clients through innovative solutions and meaningful connections. His philosophy of “doing the next right thing” has guided the company through various challenges, ensuring that client needs are always prioritised. DTC has a strong emphasis on values and culture. Steve believes in hiring individuals who align with the company’s core values rather than merely filling roles. This commitment to culture is reflected in initiatives such as hiring a Chief Flourishing Officer and conducting quarterly skill-building sessions and all-hands meetings, where every team member has a voice. This focus on values not only attracts talent but also fosters a loyal and engaged workforce. How would you like to own an MSP doing $7 million a year where you personally do none of the tech work? There’s nothing more motivating than hearing how other MSP owners have built up their business. And in this week’s special episode, you are going to discover how this guy grew to 450 clients, 35 staff, and $7 million revenue. What I think you’ll love is his unique approach to his people and how he’s kept the quality of the tech work really high without having to do any of it himself. Hi, I’m Steve McNamara. I’m the CEO and founder of DTC Inc. We are an MSP here in the Maryland DC, Northern Virginia region of the United States. We’ve been incorporated for a little over 25 years now and serving primarily into the healthcare and dental space, but now moving into the CMMC space as well. And that’s the very short, skinny version of who we are. I love it. Thank you so much for joining us on the podcast, Steve. I think my favourite episodes of this podcast over the last five years or so have been when we’ve had real MSPs on who have shared their stories of how they did it. So you’ve been going, I think you said more than a quarter of the century, what was it that made you start your first business or start this business in the first place? Well, we had a 2 year old son and my wife told me to get a bleeping job. Were you working in it before? Part-time, I actually, I had a health food store in rural county in Maryland and it was failing, but I was more interested in the natural food industry and alternative healthcare than I was tech. I did te...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this SPECIAL edition of the show, Episode 268, of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week I’ve got another special episode for you. If your MSP isn’t growing, and you’re too busy running it to focus on growing it, this could be the answer for 2025. Should MSPs hire a chief growth officer? Featured guest: Jake Gregorich oversees revenue generation for Lyra Technology Group. He joined the team in January 2023 to help grow sales talent, increase collaboration among Lyra companies, and drive top-line revenue growth. Prior to Lyra, Jake worked with MSPs including Impact Networking, Ntiva, and Equilibrium IT. He also served as an independent consultant to private equity backed MSPs and private equity companies looking to enter the MSP market on sales & marketing, diligence, acquisitions, and integration. Outside of work, he enjoys time and good laughs with his wife Joanna, baby girl Sofia, toddler Charlie, golden retriever Bella, and large extended family. When he is not spending time with family and friends, Jake can be found outdoors hiking, biking, swimming, and playing team sports. This is an MSP Marketing podcast special. Could this be any more perfect. A fresh idea, for a fresh new year. So, you want to make more money from your MSP and you’re looking for new ways to do it. Well, as we bring on a brand new year, it doesn’t get much fresher than this. Welcome to a special episode dedicated to someone who’s found the solution to the problem of – how do you focus on growth if you are too busy with the day-to-day running of your MSP? Here’s a fresh perspective that’s definitely worth your time. Hi, I’m Jake Gregorich, SVP of Growth at Lyra Technology Group. And Jake, thank you so much for joining me for this special. It is of course your second appearance on the podcast. You were on, I think it was episode 205 back in late 2023, and ahead of having you back on the podcast again today I’ve just listened back to that, it was such a great interview and you were so very generous with the things that you shared. In our special today, we’re going to talk about what you guys are doing with this amazing MSP that you are building. And we’re also going to talk about the concepts of something called Chief Growth Officers. And not only in terms of how you’re doing that, because I think it’s really interesting how you are inspiring a large and growing number of people to grow their MSPs, but also we can look at it in terms of how the average MSP owner can take some of the concepts that you guys are proving are working right now and actually apply that within their own MSP. So let’s start right at the beginning. Let’s assume that everyone who’s listening to this or watching this on YouTube has not heard you on the podcast before. Tell us exactly who you work for, what you guys are doing, what your mission is, and what you’ve achieved over the last few years. Yeah, certainly Paul, great to be back, thanks for having me. Lyra Technology Group is a family of MSPs. We have now 77 companies across the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand. Our business, compared to most highly acquisitive MSPs, is a bit different.

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this SPECIAL edition of the show, Episode 267, of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week I’m taking you for a walk near my home. And we’re going to talk about a subject that’s very important to us as business owners… How MSPs achieve a happy balance Running an MSP is like constantly spinning plates and there’s a good chance that you’ve dropped the odd one from time to time. It’s a dizzying challenge trying to keep them all spinning and in perfect balance. If you are trying to juggle your home life with everything your MSP throws at you and it often feels impossible, today’s special episode is just for you. Come for a Christmas Eve walk with me as we find the answer to this question – How do you achieve the perfect happy balance? Well, I hope you’ve had an insanely good year this year and you are really ready for Christmas tomorrow. Certainly if you’re listening to this when the podcast is released, what we’re doing today is kind of a bit of a new tradition, which we only started last year, but already it feels like the right thing to do every year is that you come for a walk with me. So last year, and you can go back and listen to last year’s special episode, we went for a walk round a lake near my home where I live. I live just outside Milton Keynes in the UK. It’s kind of in the middle of the UK. And today we’re just going for a walk near my house. Actually, I live near some fields. I live in a little village. It’s very nice around here. So it’s a beautiful, beautiful, sunny crisp December morning and I’m just taking you out for a walk to talk about the happy balance. So what is the happy balance? Well, I’m a business owner just like you, and I’ve been doing this, actually next year it will be my 20th year. It was February, 2005 when I started my very first business, not the one I have now, I sold that in 2016. But back then I started and I had all the hopes and fears and all the difficult times that everyone has when they start their first business. And it took me probably about seven years to achieve this thing called the happy balance. And the happy balance is a mixture of, or a combination of five things that you need to have in your life in order to achieve happiness. Because if your experience of starting your MSP was anything like my experience of starting my first business, you throw yourself into it with such gusto that it becomes almost an unsustainable beast. And you kind of look up a year, two, three years in, and you realise that you are spending so much of your time working that you have got all the other parts of your life out of balance. Things like, well, all the things we’re going to talk about today, but especially your family, your partner, your kids (if you’ve got them), your social life, your friends, all of these things, they take a backseat to the business and I think that’s okay for a year, maybe two years. But if it goes on any longer than that, the risk is that you are just out of balance. We cannot live our lives out of balance for a very, very long time. I do know business owners, MSP owners, in fact, who have been out of balance for years, decades in some cases. And yeah, some of them are sitting on very successful businesses, successful as in there’s lots of revenue coming in and there’s lots of profit going into their bank accounts. But I have business owning friends who are in that position and they go home to their luxury apartment in the evening where there is no partner and there’s no kids because the price of them building the business and...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 266 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… 3 big MSP marketing priorities for 2025: The silver bullet to getting new clients and growing your MSP lies in consistent and persistent marketing. Make it easy by prioritising these three things. And 3 big questions to ask yourself: Before the new year begins, take some time to answer these questions and focus yourself on your future goals, in life and in business. This MSP is using a clever backdoor marketing tactic: My guest this week tells us what his special marketing tactic is, how it makes finding clients easier, and how you can do a version of this in your MSP. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Graham, an MSP owner in Omaha, reflects on how little he feels his MSP has achieved in terms of lead generation this year. He wants to know why his marking projects take so long to implement. 3 big MSP marketing priorities for 2025 Did your MSP sales engine feel broken in 2024? Well, here’s the fix. The best new revenue comes from lead gen that’s driven by a marketing machine, but don’t be scared. It’s dead easy and it’s built with just a few simple parts and it’s going to make 2025 your best year yet. Right now let’s go through why your current marketing isn’t working, how to find more people to speak to and how to make all your marketing easier. I do love this time of year because everyone has a collective pause and after you’ve had a few days off to enjoy some time with your family, you move on to time to just kind of take stock of what’s happened in the last 12 months. And you figure out what it is that you want to improve next year. Most of the MSPs that I’ve spoken to this year just want to win more new clients, and keep their existing ones and make sure those clients are happy. And of course, make sure their staff are happy and service quality is important too. These are all important things to MSPs, but ultimately, if you nail it down to what’s the one thing that you would do to improve your business, if you could wave a magic wand, for most MSPs it would be to win new clients. So let me suggest to you three marketing priorities to focus your business on next year. These are not difficult concepts to understand. In fact, I’ve deliberately made this as easy as I can, as I try to do with all the marketing that we talk about in our podcast and on the YouTube videos. My first recommendation is to create a marketing system rather than a series of one-off activities. Now, the reason I suggest this is because the whole channel seems to be geared around helping you to do one-off activities. You get big vendors giving you marketing campaigns or social media that you can just roll out in one go. Now, don’t get me wrong, I think doing a one-off campaign or being all over social media for a couple of months is better than no marketing at all. But the very best kind of marketing is consistent and persistent, and that comes from having a marketing system. A system means you have a series of tasks that are happening on a regular basis. Ideally, you personally as the owner of the MSP, is not doing them. You have someone doing them on your behalf, whether that’s someone who works for you or a trusted outsource person. If you’ve been listening to my podcast or watching my videos for a while, you’ll know the marketing system that...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 265 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Successful MSP owners exercise: Our bodies are amazing, but they’re even better when we use them on a regular basis. Even just a 20 minute walk every single day keeps your body sharp – and also your mind. How one client question can turn into 7 pieces of content for your MSP: To do great marketing for your MSP, you need great content. There’s tons of it around and there’s a simple way to extract it from everyday conversations with clients and prospects. This guy phoned 1,000 decision makers… and learned these hard lessons: Making more outbound calls is essential to win new business for your MSP. If you HATE picking up the phone, this interview is going to blow your mind. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Steven, from as MSP in London, UK, is looking forward to getting organised in 2025 – his question is: Which project management software do you recommend? Successful MSP owners exercise MSP Running Shoes on. Have you ever felt that owning an MSP business is like running a marathon in more ways than one? And if you prioritise looking after your clients and their technology ahead of looking after your own body and health, then you have a very low chance of completing the marathon that is being a business owner for the next 20 years. Let’s find out why successful business owners exercise, how they do it when they have zero time, and the benefits of doing it to you, your clients and your staff. A few months back, I had my dad come and stay with us for a couple of nights. Now he lives about 150 miles away and we don’t really see him more than a couple of times a year. So it was lovely having him stay. My daughter and I, we took him to London for a full day being tourists in our own capital city, and we went to see a theatre show and we went to some museums and it was great fun. But we walked about 20,000 steps, which is about 10 miles, and we do a lot of walking because London is a walking city. It’s so much easier to walk around and just catch the tube. You wouldn’t drive around London. No one does that. My dad is in his early seventies, so he’s not really that old and he’s kind of fit and kind of healthy as he has been throughout his life. But he has let his fitness slip in recent years and he was really struggling. So at the end of that day, he just looked ill. He was sitting down, his back was hurting, his knee was hurting, his hip was hurting, and he won’t go and see the doctor about his dicky hip. And I got him to admit that he doesn’t really do any regular exercise. He’ll have a walk now and again. Now all the medical advice from all the doctors everywhere is that someone of his age, in fact, someone of every age should be going out for at least a 20 minute walk every day. And I told him that even last year when I couldn’t exercise much because I’d injured my knee and I needed surgery on it. I couldn’t go running or anything like that, but I still exercised every single day. I’d go for a 20, 30 minute walk or go on the treadmill for a mile, or I actually bought an exercise bike, which I’ve since sold. But you get the idea. I was telling him how the most successful business owners and MSP owners I...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 264 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Why MSPs procrastinate (and how to cure it): Don’t confuse busyness with business. Keeping yourself busy doing things that you really shouldn’t be doing, at the expense of the things that matter, is a form of procrastination. What technicians write in tickets can damage your brand: Your brand is YOU, and your team, and the way you communicate. And critically… how that makes people feel. Why successful MSPs use PowerPoint to tell stories: Eliminate ‘death by PowerPoint’ using storytelling to simplify complex information and help your presentations come to life. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Want to fire a problematic client but don’t know how? I have the answer… Why MSPs procrastinate (and how to cure it) One of the dangers of doing a podcast every week and appearing in lots of YouTube videos is that at some point your friends and family stumble across your content. And every now and then I get a message from a friend saying, Hey, I just watched your latest video on YouTube, I’ve no idea what you were talking about Paul, but it seemed okay. Now, the reason that this is a risk is because I do try and put a lot of my life into my content, because as a working parent and a business owner myself, that helps you and me to relate to each other. So the story I want to tell you today is about a friend who I hope never stumbles across this recording because I know he will recognise himself immediately and no one likes to be talked about in a negative way. Now, this friend of mine runs his own business. Don’t worry, he’s not an MSP. In fact, what he does is almost irrelevant, but times sadly are not very good for him right now. He’s lost a lot of clients over the last few years and his business is not in great shape. We do occasionally talk about marketing. Of course, I give him as much advice as I can, but he rarely takes action on it. I think the problem is that he hasn’t yet emotionally dealt with the fact that a business that he’s been building up for decades has flattened out. In fact, it’s in decline now. He needs to do things differently to rescue it and turn it around. If you were in a situation like this where you’re actually struggling to meet payroll in some months, you’d think that your full attention would be on the rescue and the recovery, right? I mean, that would certainly be the case for me, but not for my friend because the other day when we were chatting and I asked what he was doing that day, he said he was going on a training course. Not a training course on anything that would be useful to him in terms of turning his business around or improving the service. It was a very low level training course around some minor changes to regulations regarding the service that he sells. So really, he could have just sent one of his staff or just skipped it altogether. It really wasn’t an important training course, but it was an entire day of his time. I was utterly gobsmacked when he told me about this because just a few days before, he was telling me that he didn’t have any time to implement all of the new marketing ideas that we discussed to help him win new clients. And then I had an epiphany. Him going on a training course was a form of procrastination. My friend had confused busyness with business. To him going on a training course, was doing some work, but the reality is it wasn’t productive work. It was ju...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 263 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How to create the perfect MSP about us page: An about us page must be about the people and the core values of your business. But it’s not really about us, it’s about the prospect. It’s a selling page. It takes 50+ touchpoints to get a new client for your MSP: Don’t run marketing campaigns – set up a marketing system. Long-term a system will outperform any campaign you could run, I promise you. A Google ads strategy for MSPs: If you want to try Google ads, don’t try to be all things to all people. You need to be very specific to stand out in a competitive market. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Christine from an MSP in Portland wants to know why I’m so insistent that MSPs hire a phone person to contact prospects. How to create the perfect MSP about us page The two most important pages on your website are the homepage and the about us page. Why? Because those are the pages that most people are going to look at, the ones they’re most going to be influenced by because they’re most likely to land on your website on the homepage. And then of course they want to know what you’re about. They want to know who the people are behind the business, so they’ll head over to the about us page. Let’s have a look at some of the elements that you should have on your MSPs about us page to make sure it delivers the most value to your business. Now, where a homepage is almost like a summary of the whole business, the about us page is about the people and the core values of the business. So of course you still have an attention grabbing headline, although a different one to the one that you have on the homepage. And of course you’d still have your social proof, data capture maybe, and certainly a call to action, plus of course videos and photographs of real people. It’s just that you present those in different ways than you would do on your homepage. The most important thing on your about us page is your story. But it needs to be presented in a way that’s relevant to the reader. And actually it’s not really about you – you can talk a little bit about you and how you are really into tech, and as a child and you are obsessed with computers, and as a teenager and you’ve been doing it now for 800 years and then 20 years ago you had an entrepreneurial seizure and you decided you’ve got to do your own things, your own way, etc, etc. I mean, all of that is good. In fact, actually you can take that backstory, you can embellish it, you can enhance it, but you have to tell it in a way that makes it interesting to the reader. Because you being obsessed with computers, that’s not really of interest to them until they realise or you tell them that it means that you are across every technology detail in your business, and you only hire people who are incredibly attention focused, very good technology people, and they’re very good at following systems and documenting success, and all of that kind of thing. So, you take your story and you keep flipping it round and looking at it from a different angle so that actually your story is about the reader. Even an about us page is not really an about us page, it’s about the prospect. It’s a selling page. That’s what it really is. So of course something else you’d do on there is you’d put some case studies on there. Now, if you’ve g...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 262 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… A mini masterclass on LinkedIn: Improve these three things on your LinkedIn profile to get people’s attention and encourage them to engage with you. The 3 tests to apply to new initiatives: The fear test, the regret test, and the comfort zone test – will these push you into taking the next big leap for your MSP? Should you start a podcast for your MSP?: Podcasts are a great way to grow relationships with an audience, but is it the right thing for your MSP? Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Stuart, from an MSP in Atlanta, has asked how much he should be paying for a content writer. Find out more on this and whether AI is a good tool to use too. A mini masterclass on LinkedIn It’s very easy to become complacent about social media and believe that it’s just a waste of time to a busy business owner like you who’s trying to build their MSP. But the reality is that social media is still incredibly important. Not all the networks, of course. I really don’t think most MSPs will get much from TikTok for some time, at least not until the generation that’s growing up with TikTok are the decision makers. For B2B marketing in 2024 and next year as well the social media network to go for is of course… LinkedIn – this is still the very best platform for MSPs looking for new clients, and I do highly recommend that you put in time on it every single day. Let’s spend a few minutes now on a mini masterclass on LinkedIn, and I’ve got three things for you to look at. The first is to improve three things in your profile. So here’s an interesting question. Based on your current profile, if you were an ordinary business owner or manager, would you want to be a client of your MSP? If not, here are three areas to spend more time on: The headline – focus on the benefit to your prospects rather than what you do. “I do IT for town businesses”, becomes “Helping town businesses grow with technology”. Then look at your headshot and don’t be cheap – pay a professional who does headshots every day and can make you look beautiful. Your about us bit – write it for your prospects, not other IT professionals. You want them to read it and think, ah, this is exactly the kind of person I want looking after my business. Next up then, is to build your personal brand. And your personal brand is what others think about you. It’s not something you control, but it is something that you can heavily influence. And it’s based on a number of factors: the number of connections you have, the recommendations that you have, what you post about, and how often you post, the value of your contributions, the speed of your responses, and whether you do something like a LinkedIn newsletter or a LinkedIn live. Because people who are perceived as experts, they do these things. Now, like much of marketing, getting better results is about doing a series of small actions on a regular basis, for years. I spend no more than about 15 to 20 minutes a day on LinkedIn. I have a virtual assistant who does functional stuff like accepting connection requests. I just do new content and commenting.

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 261 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Stop clients calling you personally for first line support: You can’t grow your business while you’re delivering first line support. Find out how you can free yourself from these burdens whilst retaining great relationships with your clients. Why victory loves preparation: Planning small actions regularly will make the biggest difference to your business. How introverts can communicate more confidently – and feel better about it: Learn how to tap into your passion using this confidence formula, whatever your “vertness”. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Greg from South Carolina wants to know what the Parthenon Principle of marketing is and how to apply it to his MSP. Stop clients calling you personally for first line support When you are the person who started the MSP, one of the hardest transitions for you is to get away from delivering first line support to that very first set of clients that you won in your first few years. But it’s something that you absolutely have to do or otherwise you get trapped in doing technical work forever. Now, don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with technical work, but you can’t grow your business while you’re doing password resets and setting up new users, right? This problem happens to most MSP owners and the reason it’s so hard is because you used to look after these clients yourself, you personally. So they feel that they have some kind of special bond with you. And even when you’ve employed first line technicians whose very job it is to sit there and help your clients, they will still email you directly or call your mobile directly rather than speak to the help desk. Now, this steals your time when you should be working on the business, but also reduces your ability to sell more to them during a strategic review. You can’t be the technology strategist and first line support at the same time. Clients’ minds will only let you sit in one of those boxes. There are a number of different ways to tackle this problem without annoying your clients, and you’ll probably put a couple of the things I’m about to talk about together into a blended solution. In fact, here are nine things that I recommend. The first is to set clear expectations. Now, this is really easy with new clients, but hard with longer standing clients. So just remember you have to educate them, constantly. What’s top of mind for you is item 1,058 in their mind’s list of priorities. Number two, make it easy. Put stickers with the help desk number on every single device. Put them on their hands so they can’t help but see them. Number three, have a standard operating procedure to roll out each time a client contacts you directly. Make a plan in advance so you don’t have the emotional trauma of wondering, how am I going to deal with this? Number four, play dumb. Tell them you don’t know how to fix that as you focus on strategy these days, but you’ll ask someone on the help desk to call them immediately. Number five, change your voicemail to say that you’re not working tod...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to a very SPECIAL edition of the show, Episode 260, celebrating 5 years of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This episode’s been released five years to the day since we launched the podcast on the 5th of November, 2019. It’s a birthday! Amazing. Well back then, producer James and I figured it would run for a few months when we launched the first episode. “Hello, this is Paul Green and welcome to the first ever MSP marketing podcast. Now, my aim every single week is to give you some motivation, some ideas, some clever stuff that you can take that other MSPs are doing around the world and you can bring it into your business and really make a difference to your business quite quickly and quite dramatically.” Five years on, I’ve talked to some of the guests who’ve appeared over the years and asked them a big question – What’s the best idea you have to help MSPs make more money? We’ve split their answers into four different sections, starting of course with Marketing and Sales. Hi guys, it’s Jamie Warner here, CEO of eNerds and Invarosoft. And here’s my tip for how your MSP can make more money. Well, the good news is I’ve got two tips and as an MSP owner, this is coming from experience. I’m actually in the saddle selling at the moment. So my first tip is that you must learn how to increase your percentage success rate of converting new customers. Your only goal is to essentially convince that new client opportunity that your MSP is going to be a step up from where they went before. That is why clients look to change. They don’t look to change for technical reasons. They only look to change for a step up in the service experience. So that’s your job, to figure out what are the things that you can say in your IT services presentation that will demonstrate that your service methodology is a step up from where they’ve gone before. Now, obviously in the Invarosoft world, we use our customer experience technology to demonstrate to that customer how visually they’re going to get a step up in their service experience. And interestingly, we also use our QBR or our roadmap, TBR, whatever you want to call it. We use the methodology and the software that we use to do that and we demonstrate that to the customer as well, so they can see how our methodology and how our roadmapping and our gap analysis and our reporting is going to be a step up, and we show them examples of that when we are presenting our services. So that’s tip number one and that’s going to help you sign up more clients and grow your MSP. The other thing that doesn’t get spoken about, so tip number two, is that you absolutely have to treat your clients as a pipeline of opportunity from a QBR perspective. So every client essentially has a huge amount of things that you need to help them improve. It might be new switches, routers, firewalls, a project to go to the cloud with Office 365, whatever it happens to be. Put all your clients in a list, down the left hand side of an Excel spreadsheet, look at how much you think you could possibly sell them. Workstations and desktops tends to be a big part of that. And then look at the enormous pipeline you’ve got. Now, these are things that clients actually need. These are not things that they don’t need, and so the best MSPs that grow faster, there’s this concept of sales compression. It’s understanding you have a pipeline as it relates to the QBR side of things, going out and actually having a conversat...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 259 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Golden rules of MSP sales & marketing: I asked my MSP marketing Facebook group what their golden rules of sales and marketing would be, and I’ve got the highlights for you. 3 ways to kill your MSP’s sales: There are many mistakes MSPs make that stop them from winning new clients. Here are three that I see holding back MSPs everywhere. How MSPs can build self managing teams: If you have to turn up every day in order for your business to function, then you need to start paying special attention to your team and developing them. My guest explains how. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Jonah in California wants to know whether to include trust badges on his MSP’s website and I have a very clear answer. Golden rules of MSP sales & marketing One of the best things about working in the channel is just how collaborative MSPs are, and I see this in communities all the time. I’m sure you do too. In fact, I’ve watched people who are in direct competition with each other – they literally lose clients to each other – I’ve watched them collaborate and help each other in times of need. Recently, I asked a bunch of MSPs who are in my Facebook group what their golden rules of sales and marketing would be, and I’ve got the highlights for you right here. So I have this Facebook group, which you really should join if you’re determined to improve your marketing and get new clients for your MSP. Just go into Facebook, search for MSP marketing, but do make sure you’re looking in the group search and not in the pages search, and it is free to join. It’s also a vendor free zone, something we did about five years ago, kicking all the vendors out. The quality as you can imagine, has been much higher since because there’s no one there doing any selling. There’s just people adding value. I asked the two and a half thousand members of my MSP Marketing Facebook group what their golden rules would be for marketing and sales, and here are some of the many replies that we received… So I kicked off with my own, which is to never discount. I think that you should add value when you need to do a deal, but never cut your prices. Cutting prices is such a dangerous thing to do. Now, sticking with pricing, Dan Baird said it’s better to over-price rather than under-price. I agree with you there, thank you, Dan. And Don Mangiarelli said, never disclose pricing in an email – you should always be at a sit down meeting. Keith Nelson said, never price on commodity sales. Good, better, or best packages. Keith also dropped some more value bombs. He said, never think that you are too small for a big contract; never sell technology, sell business outcomes, enhanced with secure technical solutions; and never do a QBR on how great you are, only report on business outcomes and measurable business results. I love these, thank you very much, Keith. Aaron Weir then dropped a comment, and Aaron always brings value to the conversation. He said, never send a contract over email, always present in person. I completely agree with you on that, Aaron. It is a lot harder to get the meeting and...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 258 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How notifications stop you from buying a better car: Your job as the business owner is to find quality time to work ON the business and make sure you’re operating in “the zone” where nothing distracts you. Your biggest threat to this is notifications… turn them off, all of them. Are you up against a Super MSP? This is why you have nothing to fear: Super MSPs are huge companies that buy MSPs and merge them together. But fear not, these present three opportunities for you. Why your brand is so much more than your logo: Your brand is actually how people feel about you based on everything they see or hear about you. This is why your brand tone must be consistent across every way you communicate with everyone. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Terry, from an MSP in Pennsylvania, is concerned about the risk of forgetting the things that might help him grow his MSP. He wants to know the best way to keep great business books alive in the long-term. How notifications stop you from buying a better car One of the hard facts that you soon learn as a business owner is if you want to grow your business, you have to find and protect substantial chunks of time in order for you to work on your business. It’s this time where you make the forward progress because you are implementing things that will generate new clients, retain existing clients, and encourage your existing clients to buy more services from you. But there’s a problem, you see, I believe you have to spend this time in the zone completely focused on the task in hand. And this is especially true if you’re an MSP doing marketing activities, and that’s not a natural skillset for you. Yet the vast majority of MSPs, they never get into this state of full focus. And there’s a specific reason why. Many, many years ago, I used to do one-on-one consults with MSPs here in the UK. We’d hire a business meeting room and we’d spend the day exploring their business goals, their marketing, what was going well and what was not going well. And I probably did about, I don’t know, 20 or 30 of these over about 18 months. And it’s not something I do anymore, but it was a great way for me to learn about MSPs and of course for me to help them with their marketing. That was before we had our MSP Marketing Edge service. But I’ll never forget one of the meetings I had, which was almost like a comedy situation, like it could have been in a sitcom. So let’s just take the context of this meeting. The MSP that I’m meeting with has paid a few thousand pounds for my time and attention. And the whole purpose of the day is to examine their marketing and make it better so that they can win new clients and ultimately grow their business, which is the way that of course, they’ll grow their own personal income and ultimately have a better lifestyle. So to me, that makes the meeting a very big deal indeed. And in fact, most of the MSPs that I met with, they took their meeting very seriously. But one of them didn’t. And it wasn’t that he didn’t want to, he was desperate to grow his business and I knew that he valued my advice. The trouble was he was caught up in the notifications of what was happening in his business at that exact moment. The first hour or so, I could barely drag him away from his laptop. He was looking at Teams messages, he was looking at his PSA, and he was just generally d...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 257 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… What the yellow car game teaches MSPs about marketing: There’s a part of our brain called the Reticular Activating System which acts as a sensory filter. You might see and hear everything, but you only perceive it if it’s relevant to you. Here’s a simple marketing cadence that your MSP can swipe and adapt: How to build a marketing system around repeatable daily, weekly and monthly tasks that will work for any MSP. How offering custom development boosts client retention for MSPs: Retaining a client is so much easier than to getting a new one. Is this a potential gap in your MSP’s offering? Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Dale, from northeast England, has a website question for his MSP – Should I buy a website domain ending in .io? What the yellow car game teaches MSPs about marketing You must often have conversations with ordinary business owners or managers and be gobsmacked just how little they’ve absorbed about stuff from our world, such as cyber security breaches that are in the news or critical updates that need to happen. Have you ever wondered why that is? It’s not just that they don’t care, it’s actually more that their brain has been trained not to tell them about it. You see, the brain has a kind of bodyguard that stops information from getting in and it actually explains why most people don’t perceive your MSP’s marketing. Good news – there is a way around this bodyguard, and the easiest way for me to explain that is to tell you about the yellow car game. Every time we travel in the car together, my 14-year-old child and I play a really cool game, when we see a yellow car, we have to punch the other person on the arm and the first one to land a punch wins that round. I’m very pleased to tell you that I am the current yellow car champion. Now, this game makes long journeys just whiz by, believe me. And what’s really fun is playing the game with other passengers in the car because my daughter and I absolutely slaughter them. And no wonder because our brains have been trained to actively look for yellow cars, whereas of course our passengers are seeing yellow cars but not perceiving them. This is because the bodyguard that stops information getting into their brain has not yet been trained to look for yellow cars. Now, this bodyguard has a name, it’s called the reticular activating system, and it has lots of functions, but the most important thing from a marketing point of view is that it acts as a sensory filter. If you had to consciously deal with all of the information coming in from your five senses, you would very quickly go insane. So instead that information goes through the Reticular Activating System, which acts as a relevance filter. For the small number of things that are relevant to you, it allows you to perceive them. Everything else you might see it or hear it, but you don’t perceive it. And this is why when you go to, let’s say a new town, you see the break/fix shops, you see the vans belonging to other MSPs, because as far as your reticular activating system is concerned they are relevant to you. But you don’t see the dentists and you don’t see the la...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 256 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Warning! This friction kills MSPs’ sales: When you have someone making contact with you, your job is to make sure you’ve removed every single piece of friction from the sales process. Can your MSP’s technicians close this many tickets?: I interviewed the awesome Jason Kemsley from Uptime Solutions, an outsourced help desk, who gave us the stats to assess what good performance looks like for all three levels of technician. How MSPs manage the conflict of business and parenting: My guest, David Ask, tells you how to live a great life, while still achieving everything you want with your business. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Chris from San Francisco wants advice on a good meeting structure to grow his MSP. Warning! This friction kills MSPs’ sales As an MSP, you’re hardly inundated with calls from people who want to buy from you. Well, that’s my experience of the MSPs that I work with, certainly. So when you do have someone making contact with you, your job is to make sure you’ve removed every single piece of friction from the sales process. Let me tell you about my experience of the exact opposite of this, where I was desperate to buy something and the friction in doing so was so great, it drove me into the arms of a competitor. So I’m not going to name the company that I was trying to buy from as that’s not really fair on a podcast and YouTube video like this, just know that it’s not an MSP and it’s not a company in the channel, but it is a supplier of marketing services based in the US. I’ve been doing some research recently into a new marketing initiative that we are doing to promote the MSP Marketing Edge and this service was the perfect solution. I’d managed to answer all of my questions online, on their website, which is actually the first piece of friction that you and I need to talk about. If an ordinary business owner or manager goes onto your website, will you answer as many of their questions as you can? I’ll be honest, for most MSPs, the answer to this is sadly no. Most MSPs don’t have the basics in place, such as explaining what you do, how you do it, what makes you different from the other IT companies they’re looking at. And most importantly, you probably don’t have an indicative idea of pricing on your website. Now, I know that this is a very emotive subject because the price depends upon how long the string is. But when it comes to websites, I very much follow the advice of Marcus Sheridan. In his book, They Ask, You Answer, which definitively says you should put prices on your website because it’s one of the most basic things that people are looking at. Anyway, I digress. So I answered all of my own questions on this potential supplier’s website and I was ready to buy, and that was where I ran into real trouble because it really wasn’t obvious how to buy from them. There was a call to action button, so the thing that they wanted me to do, and that took me through to a page, which did actually talk about their pricing and their packaging or their packages, but you couldn’t actually select one of the packages and go through with the purchase, which was really weird. So I thought perhaps the website was having some kind of blip. I refreshed it, I left it for 24 hours and I came back the next day, but...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 255 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How to minimise interruptions and stupid questions from staff: It’s important to invest time every day on growing your MSP without interruptions and I’ve got a 3 step fix to help you do just that. 5 big ugly MSP marketing myths: BUSTED: Improving your marketing becomes much easier when you wipe these common myths from your head. Just like IT, marketing should be logical and systemisable. The 3 most important growth things you can do in the final 3 months of the year: My guest this week, Ian Luckett, unveils his expert advice as a Business Growth Consultant, to achieve the most from the rest of 2024. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Francis from an MSP in Washington wants to know how to find the motivation to do work he doesn’t enjoy. How to minimise interruptions and stupid questions from staff One of the things you hear me regularly talking about is the need to invest 60 to 90 minutes every day working on your MSP rather than in it. And that means doing activities that win you new clients, encourage them to buy more from you and encourage them to spend more when they buy. Now, one of the biggest problems with this is when your staff constantly interrupt you with questions that really they could answer for themselves, do you have this problem? If so, you are going to love my solution. Staff interrupt you all the time, often with stupid questions. Now, I’m not being rude about your staff, this is a fact, but interruptions kill progress. Why do they do it? Well, partly it’s to show that they’re working. Partly it’s because they’re too lazy to look up the answer for themselves. And partly it’s because… Staff want your attention, as they are the child. And as their boss, you are the parent. Now, there is a three step fix for this, and you have to make a very long-term commitment to all three of these steps so that this becomes, if you like, a way of working and not just your current thing. Step one – find your own space. It’s impossible to do your work on the business when you’re in the same physical space as your staff who are working in the business on your behalf. So you need a separate office at least, or maybe even an office away from your building. There’s nothing wrong with sitting in with your staff sometimes, but not all the time because it’s exhausting and frankly unproductive. Step two – answer every stupid question with a question of your own. So let’s say you are asked – Boss, we’re out of milk. What should we do? – which of course makes you want to pull out your sword and with one swift chop end their miserable life, but this isn’t Game of Thrones. So instead you ask this question back – If I wasn’t here, what would you do? – And then you repeat that question or variations of it for each of the follow-up stupid questions until they realise that they had the answer inside them all along. Yeah, I know this is the slow way to tackle the problem because the fastest thing to do is just tell them the answer, that’s quicker and easier, but...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 254 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… 9 MSP marketing ideas to break into a new vertical: One of the easiest ways to grow your MSP is to target a vertical. Marketing to a vertical is so much easier than marketing to a general audience. How to stand out at networking meetings: To get the most from networking meetings you have to stand out but in the right way, in the most authentic way. And I’m going to tell you exactly how to do that. How to find another MSP for sale, and start a conversation: One of the fastest ways to scale a business is to acquire competitors and absorb their clients into your business. My guest, Jonathan Jay, shares his expertise on this subject. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Fiona, from an MSP in New Hampshire, wants to know more about exit intent popups – do you use these on your website yet? 9 MSP marketing ideas to break into a new vertical One of the easiest ways to grow your MSP is to target a vertical. Marketing to a vertical is so much easier than marketing to a general audience because you know exactly who you are marketing to, exactly where they are, exactly what their problems are, and how you can solve those problems. So you can make your marketing message sound so much more relevant to them. A lawyer, for example, is much more likely to listen to you if you are using the word lawyer than if you are just talking about business owners. Let me give you nine, rapid fire marketing ideas to break into a new vertical. So there are many benefits of marketing to a vertical. You can do it alongside your general business, and once you’ve picked a vertical, there are a number of actions that you should take to get your marketing properly set up. Here are the first nine actions that I recommend, in the order that you should do them. Number one: Build a website just for that vertical. Not just a new page on your existing site, do it properly. Put together a four to five page website just for that vertical. The goal is to appear to be a true specialist to your target prospects, and a proper website is a basic MSP marketing fundamental. Number two: Set up a vertical specific LinkedIn or Facebook, depending which platform most decision makers in your vertical use. Number three: Start posting regular content so that you have a presence. Make sure to put the name of the vertical into the headline and/or the intro paragraph. Now, sometimes making content seem relevant to a vertical is as simple as mentioning that vertical and also look for how they refer to themselves and their business. So for example, accountants have a practice, not a business. Number four: Start networking and meet as many decision makers as you can. Look for relevant vertical business shows or other events that you can attend, as nothing beats pressing the flesh when you’re just getting started in a vertical. I promise you’ll have a marketing revelation at every event. Number five: Build your email list. It’s easy to get started with a vertical because you can just buy targeted data. You can also scrape Google or get a virtual assistant to just go through Go...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 253 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… MSP owners: Why do we make our lives so hard?: Business owners often hinder their own success by running a marathon while carrying an anchor, meaning they knowingly hold themselves back through overwork, limited thinking, or mismanagement. The most powerful MSP marketing question to ask any lead: Asking this is a great way to prioritise your leads and create a follow-up list for the future. How to do marketing within the CIS security framework: One of your challenges is making ordinary business owners and managers realise how important good security is. Find out how you can achieve this using the Center for Internet Security controls. My guest, Zach Kromkowski, explains all. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Sean, who runs as MSP in Houston, wants to learn more about AppSumo and what it has to offer. MSP owners: Why do we make our lives so hard? You and I as business owners, we are in this for the long run, right? Whether this is your first year in business or your 30th, you know that owning a business is a marathon and not a sprint. So that being said, why do we constantly make life hard for ourselves? Far too many MSPs decide to run the marathon while carrying an anchor. It’s nuts. Let’s talk about why we do this and how to give ourselves a much easier life, yet still achieving the things that we want from our business. So I was listening to this book a few months back. It was written by the guy who built up the Burger King chain back in the 1950s and 60s if you’re interested. It’s called The Burger King. It was, okay, not the most instructive business book in the world, but I do believe you can get huge value from any book as long as you get one big idea from it. Do you agree with me on that? Anyway, my big takeaway from this book was a phrase I’ve never heard before, but I instantly understood what it meant. Business owners make life hard for themselves by running a marathon while carrying an anchor. And I completely relate to this, do you? It means that even though we know it’s not a sprint race and we know we have to keep going for years and years and years, we seem to noble ourselves in as many ways as we can. Perhaps it’s by continuing to work 60 hours a week despite being surrounded by very competent staff who are actually looking for more things to do. Or perhaps it’s by not taking enough vacation, enough holiday time each year, which means that when we do take a break, we are utterly exhausted. Or perhaps it’s by thinking too small. There are many ways that we hold ourselves back and don’t think this is just an MSP thing. All business owners everywhere in all sectors do exactly the same thing. But the thing is, the clues to long-term success are there if you go looking for them. Just listen back to any of the fantastic interviews that I’ve done in the MSP Marketing Podcast over the last five years, and you’ll hear very, very successful people talking about how they broke out of the “hell phase” of running a business, where you’re trapped doing 60 hours a week, and they entered a new phase where...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 252 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Get the right message in front of the right person at the right time: To attract new clients you need consistent, well-timed marketing to ensure they choose your MSP when they’re ready to switch. Do you employ any Sales Prevention Officers?: That’s anyone who avoids suggesting beneficial services to clients so they don’t appear salesy, but they’re unintentionally hurting your business by missing opportunities to improve client satisfaction and increase revenue. The common service mistakes that can damage client retention: My guest this week, Michelle Coombs, highlights the common service mistakes that can damage long-term client retention and how to stop them from happening in your MSP. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Alec, who has an MSP in Nashville, would like to hire a virtual assistant to take on his admin tasks but doesn’t know how to hire one that he can trust. Get the right message in front of the right person at the right time There’s a reason that getting new clients for your MSP takes so long. It’s because of what’s happening to the ordinary business are owners and managers that you are trying to reach. And when you understand what’s going on in their heads and their hearts, you can figure out why they’re so slow switching from one MSP to another. Let’s talk about the importance of getting the right message in front of the right person at the right time. Now, one of the most critical marketing skills that you can develop is the ability to look at your MSP and what you sell from the point of view of the people that you are trying to sell it to or put another way. If you can get in their heads and their hearts, you can better understand what’s driving them to make a decision. Or maybe more importantly, what’s holding them back from making a decision. The best phrase that I ever heard to describe this is… To influence what John Smith buys, you must see through John Smith’s eyes. When you really look at why a business owner or manager switches from one MSP to another, you suddenly get a startling insight into why switching MSPs is a distress activity for most people. You see, they don’t really understand technology at all. In fact, compared to you, they are literally the other end of the scale. You have such in-depth technology and abilities and that makes you an incredibly talented technology person, but the client you’re selling to, well, they’re more like me. I’m not a tech I never have been. That by the way means it’s easy for me to represent the ordinary people that you sell to. And sure, I understand a bit about technology and I love it. And actually I probably know a lot more about technology these days because of course I’ve been working with MSPs for eight years, but I can’t set up a server, I can’t configure a cloud service and I bet you a rather large amount of money that I’d be the guy that would get the setting wrong and I would take down the entire business. So please, no one ever give me the settings of anything important, I beg you. Anyway, because they don’t understand technology, but they do know it’s inc...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 251 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… Successful MSPs simplify EVERYTHING: Focus on simplifying and removing things you don’t really need to do. This can increase profitability and ease of management while reducing unnecessary complexity. The link between what you do each day, and achieving goals: If you have a clear vision for where you want your life to go, you can use that to affect the actions that you take within your MSP every day. Why PR is a valid marketing tool for MSPs in 2024: Mickie Kennedy, founder of eReleases, shares insights on how MSPs can effectively generate free publicity through strategic press releases, offering tips on how to capture the attention of journalists and boost credibility and visibility in the media. Paul’s Personal Peer Group: Martin, who runs an MSP in Arizona, wants to know the best way to hold a team meeting when you have some staff who are a little disruptive. Successful MSPs simplify EVERYTHING The business that you chose to be in, Managed Services, is already one of the most complex kinds of businesses on the planet. Just stop and think about everything that you have to support – all the different clients, the different setups, the different technologies. And yet I see loads of MSPs making their lives even harder by overcomplicating things in their business that could and should be simple. So let’s talk about how you can make your business easier to run and more profitable by simplifying everything. I’m on a bit of a simplification mission right now. We’ve had some fairly major development projects in our business over the last 12 months, and while I was focusing on those and constantly reducing complication within those projects and just making everything simpler, I realised we could do this across the business. Because we’ve been going for eight years and what happens is when you’ve been going that long, you kind of hold onto legacy stuff. Things that we’re just doing because, or something that worked really well six years ago but there’s now a better way of doing it. And for me, it’s a really exciting thing to just go through the business like a tornado and just simplify everything. So I’ve given myself a new job title. I am Head of Simplification, and I’m using this as an opportunity to review everything we do in the business asking this big question, how can we make this simpler? Because that’s actually a very powerful question to ask. Is this a question you ask yourself in your MSP regularly? Just because you can handle high levels of complication doesn’t mean that you should put up with high levels of complication. In fact, I truly believe that the simpler business is, the more fun it is to run and the more profitable it can be. And I guess there are two main places where you can simplify your business. The first is your operations and what you do now. At the risk of starting you down the road of looking at your tech stack, because I’m always hesitant to suggest an MSP reviews their tech stack in case it becomes a bad case of tech stack fiddling where you’re attracted to the shiny thing. Maybe you should just be asking yourself, does my PSA allow me to run the business as simply as possible? Is my RMM easy to use but also powerful enough to do all the things we need it to do? Look at your standard operating procedures, these are the manuals for how you run your business. So what kind of business are...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this SPECIAL EDITION marking 250 episodes of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week I have a very special guest – Brad Martineau. Brad helps people transform from being a business owner to truly being an entrepreneur. And as you can imagine, it’s about the way that you think and the action that you take. I think you are going to find him a huge inspiration. Here are three big ideas from him: Make it easy: Business is easy but we make it hard for ourselves. Brad uses the acronym, ELF – Easy, Lucrative, Fun. Remember the business is there to feed your life (not the other way round): Don’t let the business dictate how you live your life. We have 3 currencies in life: Time, energy and money. Be careful where you invest these. A great business returns these currencies to you. Meet Brad Martineau. Brad helps entrepreneurs build Smooth Scaling™ businesses through coaching and software tools. Brad has been married for 23 years, has 5 kids, 1 son-in-law and a granddaughter on the way. He loves fitted hats and playing and coaching basketball. Hi, I’m Brad Martineau and I help entrepreneurs build businesses that they actually want rather than the ones that they just wake up one day and accidentally have. And what a great positioning statement that is. Brad, thank you so much for joining us, not just on the podcast, but on this very special episode as well. 250 episodes has taken quite a long time to get here, nearly five years, and I’m going to admit I’m a little bit of a fanboy of yours. You’ve been in my marketing journey and my entrepreneurial journey for getting on for about 18 years or so, and we’re going to talk a little bit about that in this podcast. When the opportunity came up to have you on, I had to jump on it and get you on and with this amazing episode coming up, this seemed the right thing to do. So what we’re going to do over the next 20 minutes or so is we’re going to explore what you’ve done in your entrepreneurial journey. You were involved really heavily with a popular CRM, which is still around today, which is actually the one that I use. We’re going to talk about that. We’re going to talk about different business things you’ve done, but where we’re getting to and the bulk of the interview is exactly as you just said, is about helping people have the business and the life that they really want because far too many MSPs, as we know, are completely driven by the business rather than the other way around. And obviously I know that as well that the MSP market very well. You’ve worked with quite a lot of the big players in this market and I’m sure you’re going to deliver a ton of value and drop some value bombs within this. Could I sound any more American as I’m doing this podcast? I don’t think I could. So Brad, tell us about your early career and what you got into it and the thing that got you onto this amazing entrepreneurial journey in the first place. Oh, that’s a really interesting question. So I was what I would call either an unwilling or an unknowing entrepreneur. So my working career started, I went and got a job, got married, got a job, and I was working as an admissions counsellor for an online un...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to Episode 249 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… How to grade the quality of your MSP’s leads: I encourage you to prioritise leads to focus on prospects truly worth your time. (jump to) If I suggested you spent 80% of your time marketing your MSP, would you think I was nuts? I believe that to grow your MSP and secure its future, you need to shift your focus from operations to marketing, making it your top priority to attract and convert new clients. (jump to) Pay per click CAN work for MSPs if it’s part of an overall marketing strategy: My guest this week, Corey Zieman – owner of Guaranteed PPC, explains how effective pay per click advertising can turn your MSP into a powerful client magnet in an evolving digital landscape. (jump to) The perfect heading for your MSPs website: Lastly, I answer a question from Greg in Melbourne, Australia. He wants advice on what headline to use on his website for maximum impact. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT How to grade the quality of your MSP’s leads When it comes to generating leads for your MSP, not all leads are created equal. It’s easy to get excited about a new prospect, but before you dive in, take a moment to assess whether they’re truly a good fit for your business. Here are three crucial criteria to grade every lead. 1. Opportunity and Urgency: A prospect’s urgency can be a game-changer. Are they locked into a contract with another MSP, or are they desperate for a solution right now? The more urgent their needs, the higher quality the lead. Always ask about their current IT situation and pressing issues – they’ll tell you if they’re ready to move. 2. Fit: Evaluate whether they’re your ideal client. This isn’t just about budget, it’s about working with businesses that align with your strengths and preferences. If you’ve learned anything from experience, it’s that compromising on this leads to regret. 3. Engagement: A prospect who actively engages with you is far more likely to become a valuable client. If you’re doing all the chasing, it’s a red flag. A genuine partnership starts with mutual interest – don’t hesitate to walk away if that’s missing. Prioritise these factors, and you’ll focus your energy on leads that are truly worth your time. If I suggested you spent 80% of your time marketing your MSP, would you think I was nuts? M...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to episode 248 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This week… 3 smart ways to recruit techs: Recruiting top-notch technicians for your MSP can be achieved through building long-term relationships on LinkedIn, creating standout job adverts, and using bold mobile billboard advertising. (jump to) Worrying kills business owners: Overcome business-related worry by adopting an action-oriented mindset, eliminating negative influences, embracing recurring revenue, systemising marketing, and maintaining work-life balance. (jump to) The client retention opportunity around email deliverability: My guest, Ben Fielding, and I discuss the significant changes in email deliverability this year and the opportunities for MSPs to enhance client retention and service quality. (jump to) Plus Paul’s Personal Peer group: There’s a question from Brian from Montreal, who wants to know whether he should take on an apprentice for his MSP. The answer is a resounding yes – find out why… (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT 3 smart ways to recruit techs Recruiting top-notch technicians is a common challenge for MSPs, especially in the early stages. The quality of your technicians directly impacts the service you deliver, but finding and hiring them can be daunting. Here are three smart strategies to help you recruit the best talent: Leverage LinkedIn for long-term recruitment. Spend 10-20 minutes weekly connecting with potential technicians from local companies. Instead of outright job offers, build relationships by sending simple connection requests like, “I run a local MSP and I’m always looking to connect with great technicians in the area.” Over time, nurture these connections through casual conversations, building a network of potential hires. Stand out with creative job adverts. In a sea of similar postings, making your ad unique is crucial. An unconventional approach like reverse psychology can be effective. Craft a headline such as “You don’t want to work for us,” and list reasons someone might not want the job. This intriguing approach can attract candidates who appreciate your company’s culture and challenges. Lastly, go bold with mobile billboard advertising. Hire a truck with a giant poster targeting technicians at a big local company. A message like, “If you’re not happy working at [Company], we are hiring technicians right now,” can catch the eye of a dissatisfied employee looking for a change. These strategies, though unconventional, can help you build a pipeline of talented technicians, ensuring your MSP continues to grow and provide top-tier service. Worrying kills business owners<...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to episode 247 of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I share how successful MSP owners debunk the 60-hour work week myth, proving that working around 30 hours per week promotes better health, stronger relationships, and strategic business growth. (jump to) I also discuss why taking a proper break to reflect on key strategic questions can provide clarity and focus, enabling you to achieve your business goals for the rest of 2024. (jump to) My guest this week, Jane Matthews of Wildcat Careers, highlights the importance of strong employee branding for MSPs, emphasising that a well-crafted employee value proposition is key to attracting and retaining top tech talent. (jump to) Lastly, I answer a question from Chris who runs an MSP in the south of England. He wants to know how to reward a high performing team member so they feel appreciated. Personalised rewards that are tailored to employees’ interests and needs are often more impactful than cash bonuses, enhancing motivation and loyalty. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT The 60 hour work myth kills MSPs If you’re ending your work week exhausted, barely able to crack open a beer and stare at the TV, it’s time for a change. This relentless pace isn’t sustainable. Contrary to popular belief, the most successful MSP owners don’t work 60-hour weeks. In fact, they work significantly less. The 60-hour myth suggests that to be a successful business owner, one must work these gruelling hours indefinitely. While it’s true that the early stages of starting a business often require extra hours, this should not be a permanent state. Starting your MSP is exhilarating. You’re taking control of your income, your time, and the type of work you do. In the beginning, putting in 60 hours a week might be necessary and even enjoyable. However, when this habit extends into years, it becomes detrimental. Many MSPs, even with million-dollar turnovers, continue to grind out these hours, believing it’s the hallmark of success. It’s not. Successful business owners actually work around 30 hours a week. Constantly working 60-hour weeks poses significant risks to your health, your family life and your relationships with loved ones. Additionally, overworking negatively impacts your staff, clients, and the business itself. It stifles strategic thinking and decision-making, which require time and mental space. Shifting to a 30-hour work week allows you to make more thoughtful decisions, delegate effectively, and focus on growth. Successful MSP owners I’ve interviewed consistently work fewer hours and achieve more. Embracing this approach will help you work smarter, not harder, and drive your business forward.

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I explain why it’s so important to lead by example in your MSP, as your team’s behaviour will mirror your actions more than your words. (jump to) I also share a story of an MSP owner who successfully took a three-week break by properly resourcing his team, implementing clear systems, and maintaining visibility, proving his business could thrive without his constant presence. (jump to) My guest this week, Alex Harvey – an MSP owner in Norwich, England – shared that he wished he had outsourced tasks, hired sooner, and set client minimums earlier to better focus on growth and profitability. (jump to) Lastly, I take on a question from Jerome in NYC. He wants to know how to effectively break into a vertical. The answer – start with a dedicated page on your existing website to show your expertise and then create a separate site once you gain traction. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT As the MSP leader, actions beat words Have you ever noticed how children imitate what you do more than what you say? It’s an interesting quirk of parenting, and it’s the same with your staff. The culture of your MSP is shaped far more by your actions than your words. Take my friend Dave, for instance. He spent hours venting about his boss’s contradictory behaviour. His boss insisted on cutting costs and being frugal but then flaunted a brand-new boat he bought over the weekend. This sent the wrong message to the team. Instead of feeling appreciated, they saw their cost-saving efforts as a means for the boss’s personal luxury. This not only demoralised the team but also sparked resentment. Another example involves an MSP owner, Boris, who was eager to grow his business but found marketing dull. His lack of enthusiasm showed during meetings, where he’d often check his phone or get distracted. His marketing coordinator felt undervalued and demotivated because Boris’s actions didn’t align with his words about the importance of marketing. These stories highlight a crucial lesson: if you want your team to embody certain values, you must lead by example. Whether it’s handling help desk tickets promptly or keeping the office tidy, your actions set the standard. Remember, your team, like your kids, are always watching and learning from you. Show them the behaviours you want to see, and you’ll cultivate a positive and productive culture. Watch on YouTube How to take a 3 week vacation with ZERO CALLS from your MSP’s office

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I encourage you to assess your prospects to ensure they are the right fit for your MSP. Assess their value appreciation, willingness to follow advice and pay fairly, dependence on technology, and timely payment habits. (jump to) I also explain why effectively converting leads into loyal clients requires persistent follow-up, strategic long-term engagement, and thoughtful touches. Follow up until they buy, die, or say bye-bye. (jump to) I’m joined by Damien Harrison, Director of Operations at Bondgate IT. We discuss how hiring an operations director and prioritising relationship-building over immediate sales can significantly elevate your MSP’s growth and client satisfaction. (jump to) Lastly, I answer a question from Alex who runs an MSP in Georgia. He wants to know how to maintain client trust and growth when outsourcing his MSP’s help desk overseas. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT You sure that prospect’s a great fit for your MSP? Turning a lead into a prospect is exciting, but how do you know if they’re truly a great fit for your MSP? Here are five ways to measure their potential: Value Appreciation: top prospects understand the value of your services. They see you as an investment in their business, not just a fixer of problems. They know you’re essential for their growth. Willingness to Follow Advice: good clients follow your strategic advice. If they see your value, they’ll be more inclined to trust and implement your recommendations. Willingness to Pay: quality clients are happy to pay a fair price for your services. They understand that good service costs money and they don’t haggle. This reflects their understanding of the value you provide. Dependence on Technology: ideal clients rely heavily on technology. They recognise it as a growth lever and are willing to invest in IT to enhance their business. Timely Payments: reliable clients pay their bills on time. This shows respect for your services and a commitment to maintaining a strong relationship. Assess prospects using these criteria to ensure a strong, productive partnership. Watch on YouTube A new lead has tons of value until one of these 3 things happens Lead generation can be...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I urge MSPs to collect social proof promptly when clients are most satisfied, as its impact diminishes over time. (jump to) I also explain how you can generate endless marketing content ideas by engaging in relevant conversations – jotting down quick, digestible topics, and spreading them out over the year for varied and engaging material. (jump to) My guest, Ryan Robinett, shares his innovative sales approach for MSPs, which involves presenting your business first to build credibility and differentiate yourself before asking questions, ensuring a structured and engaging conversation with prospects. (jump to) Lastly, I answer a question from Seb, an MSP owner in Colorado, who struggles to find the time to do marketing. Prioritising marketing is essential for business growth and achieving the lifestyle benefits that inspired you to start your business. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT The 3 perfect times to ask for a review Social proof, in the form of case studies, testimonials, and reviews, is one of your most potent marketing tools. Nothing sways leads and prospects quite like the experiences of people similar to them. Therefore, consistently gathering social proof is crucial. This process needs urgency because social proof loses its effectiveness over time. Here’s a real-life example: over the past 18 months, I experienced a major house refurbishment, culminating just before last Christmas. This period was filled with frustrations, especially with the builders who left small but essential details unfinished. Recently, I had to hire handymen to address these lingering issues. One significant task was ensuring the safety of our log burner, which the builders had reinstalled. I had an expert assess and correct the installation, making it safe and more energy-efficient. The work was excellent, and I offered to leave a positive review. However, the contractor never sent the review link, and my enthusiasm waned over four weeks. Minor issues, like a mark on the rug and a tiny scratch on the fireplace, further diminished my satisfaction. This highlights why you must collect testimonials or reviews when clients are happiest. For MSPs, optimal times include immediately after solving a longstanding issue, completing a major project, or during the honeymoon phase with a new client. Systemising this process ensures you capture fresh and powerful social proof, maximising its impact before it degrades. Watch on YouTube How to generate more marketing content...

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I share how you can boost your hardware sales by offering a free second monitor to a visible employee, sparking office-wide interest and demand for upgrades. (jump to) I also question whether your MSP’s marketing machine generates leads effectively. It’s helpful to track key metrics like LinkedIn connections, email CRM additions, open rates, follow-up calls, and sales appointments to identify and fix any issues in the process. (jump to) My guest this week is search engine optimisation (SEO) expert, Raj Khera. He explains that mastering SEO for MSPs involves focusing on local search terms, leveraging AI tools for content creation, and staying updated with trends to boost visibility and attract targeted traffic. (jump to) Lastly, I answer a question from Adam, who runs an MSP in London. He wants to know how to define his MSP’s target audience. My advice is to define your current client base, consider who you don’t want to work with, and trust your instincts to attract clients that align with your expertise and business goals. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT Sacrifice one monitor to sell more hardware I’ve discovered a clever sales tactic that can have your existing clients clamouring for new hardware. All it takes is a spare monitor and a little ingenuity. Credit for this idea goes to an ingenious MSP I work with, who has seen a significant increase in hardware sales using this method. Here’s how it works: When visiting a client site, bring a spare monitor along. Identify a highly visible employee, like the receptionist, who everyone in the office interacts with daily. Engage them in conversation, inquire about any tech issues (without fixing them yourself), and then introduce the concept of dual monitors. Highlight the productivity benefits and offer to set up the second monitor for free. Once the receptionist starts using two monitors, it won’t take long for other employees to notice and envy the setup. The sight of the receptionist’s dual monitors will spark conversations and interest across the office. Soon, the decision-makers will be calling, eager to equip their team with the same setup. This free trial not only promotes the benefits of dual monitors but also opens the door for selling additional hardware like docking stations, keyboards, and new laptops. Remember, people are more likely to buy when they want something, not just when they need it. Give it a try and watch your hardware sales soar. Watch on YouTube How to fix a marketing machine that’s not producing leads

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I explain why MSPs should focus on strategic marketing – building long-term relationships with potential clients through consistent, valuable content, rather than relying on ineffective, one-off tactical efforts. (jump to) I also address the need to look at your marketing from a prospect’s point of view. Focus on understanding and addressing their specific fears, as fear of pain often outweighs the pursuit of gain in their decision-making process. (jump to) I chat with marketing strategist Ruthie Sterrett, who emphasises the critical role of strategic content marketing for MSPs in building trust and driving sales by addressing audience needs at every stage of the lead-to-client process. (jump to) Lastly, I tackle a question from Gary, who runs a well-established MSP in South Carolina. He wants to know when and how to raise prices without losing clients. I explain the importance of testing and adjusting prices for new clients regularly, and being transparent with existing clients when raising prices. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT MSPs who do this kind of marketing will ALWAYS struggle Many MSPs fall into the trap of tactical marketing, which rarely brings the desired results. Let me explain what this is, help you recognise if you’re doing it, and suggest a better approach. Recently, an MSP owner reached out to me – he’d posted a three-minute video on LinkedIn expecting great engagement but was disappointed with the results. He’d also started sending cold emails to prospective clients. Here’s the problem: tactical marketing like this often fails because it lacks strategy. A single video or cold email is unlikely to engage or convince potential clients, especially when the service you’re offering is complex and critical to their business. Instead, what I recommend is strategic marketing. This involves building a relationship with your audience over time. Engage with them through consistent, valuable content – be that social media posts, educational emails, or direct mail. Your goal is to stay on their radar until they are ready to buy. Ask yourself, are you just copying what others do, or do you have a strategic plan? A solid strategy will help you build a lasting relationship with your audience, ensuring you’re the first MSP they think of when they’re ready to make a switch. Watch on YouTube Look at what you sell from the prospect’s point of view

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I advise where to focus your MSP’s social media efforts to make the biggest impact. LinkedIn and Facebook will help you reach key decision-makers, while platforms like Instagram and Twitter may only be useful if you’re targeting a niche. (jump to) I also explain why MSPs should focus on strategic, long-term hiring, and seek short-term solutions for immediate needs. This helps to ensure sustained growth and efficiency. (jump to) I’m joined by Michael Crean, Senior Vice President of Managed Security Services at SonicWall. We discuss how MSPs can authentically sell more cyber security by educating clients with relatable analogies, emphasising proactive measures, and fostering a partnership focused on long-term protection. (jump to) Lastly, I answer a question from Graham, an MSP owner in Canada, who wants to know the best website contact option for optimal client engagement. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT Which are the best social platforms for MSPs? Should your MSP have a presence on TikTok, Instagram, Threads, Twitter (X), and other social platforms? My advice is simple: for most, it’s a big fat no. Stay focused on LinkedIn instead. Why LinkedIn? It’s where you’ll find business owners and managers – the decision-makers you want to reach. LinkedIn should be your MSP’s primary social media platform. Use your personal profile rather than a business page, aim for at least ten new connection requests daily, post content daily, and engage with others’ posts. And don’t forget your weekly LinkedIn newsletter. Facebook is a good secondary platform, especially for reaching decision-makers during their downtime and for remarketing ads. Use a personal profile and keep your content more personal than business-focused. Instagram is useful if you’re targeting consumer-focused businesses like retail or hospitality, as the decision-makers are likely using this platform for their marketing. Other platforms like Twitter (X), TikTok, Threads, Reddit, Discord, Pinterest, and Tumblr have limited value for MSPs, unless you’re targeting a specific niche that uses them heavily. In essence, don’t spread yourself too thin. Focus your efforts where it counts: LinkedIn and maybe Facebook. Have questions or think I missed something? Drop me an email! Watch on YouTube Why you can’t fly with average staff

The podcast powered by the MSP Marketing Edge Welcome to this week’s episode of the MSP Marketing Podcast with me, Paul Green. This is THE show if you want to grow your MSP. In this episode I suggest that instead of cold calling, you could approach hot prospects by offering to interview them, creating an easier, more engaging conversation that can lead to valuable business opportunities. (jump to) I also explain how identifying website visitors allows you to target marketing efforts more effectively and maximise every lead’s potential. (jump to) My guest this week, Kyle Mealy, helped an MSP achieve a 500% increase in sales efficiency with significantly reduced expenses by focusing on streamlined systems, customer-centric messaging, and optimised resource allocation. (jump to) Lastly, I tackle a question from Mark in Dallas, who wants to know if SEO (search engine optimisation) is worthwhile for his MSP. (jump to) Join me as we unpack these topics and learn from some triumphs and trials in the MSP world. Oh, and don’t forget to join me in the MSP Marketing Facebook group. READ FULL TRANSCRIPT How to reach hot prospects other MSPs can’t Are you struggling to reach your hot prospects? Stop trying as an MSP salesperson and use this technique instead. Back in 2005 when I started my first business, I was cold calling and quickly discovered something disheartening… no one wanted to take my call. Is this your experience with outbound calls? The constant stream of “no” was nightmarish. Just months earlier, as a radio presenter, people were eager to hear from me. What changed? The context. As a radio presenter, calling people was exciting – they welcomed my calls because I could help them. But as a business owner looking for clients, the reception was cold. This led to a genius idea for reaching dream prospects, which several members of my MSP Marketing Edge program have successfully implemented. Instead of approaching as a salesperson, ask if you can interview them. This makes the conversation easier. Gatekeepers are less suspicious, decision-makers more willing, and you get quality time talking to your dream prospect about their favourite subject – themselves and their business. You might wonder, “What am I interviewing them for?” Today, anyone can create content. You could interview them for a LinkedIn newsletter, a blog, a podcast, or a YouTube channel about local business leaders. The audience size doesn’t matter, the showbiz of being interviewed is often exciting enough. The goal isn’t a great interview but spending quality time with a hot prospect. Afterward, they might say, “That was fun. Let’s talk about our technology needs,” opening the door to engagement. Pretty clever, right? Are you going to try this in your MSP? Watch on YouTube How to know the names of prospects visiting your website