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Patience With Others

<span class="TextRun SCXO49821108 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO49821108 BCX8">What do you do when people bug you? Irritate you? Get under your skin?</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO49821108 BCX8"> </span>

Apr 2, 2025

Classic Friday: Jesus’ Priority of Prayer

When you watch Jesus pray in the Gospels, what is your first response? Pray more? Or be thankful for such a prayer warrior?

Mar 28, 2025

Enjoying Your Prayer Life

<span class="TextRun SCXO254247509 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO254247509 BCX8">Mike looks at James 5 and discusses Michael Reeves’ book on prayer. </span></span><span class="EOP SCXO254247509 BCX8"> </span>

Mar 26, 2025

A Jet Tour Through James (Part 4)

Pastor Mike Abendroth, A Jet Tour Through James, Part 4

Mar 24, 2025

Classic Friday: Puritans Good or Bad

<a href="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/JB.jpg"><img class=" wp-image-6110 alignleft" src="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/JB.jpg" sizes="(max-width: 153px) 100vw, 153px" srcset="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/JB-200x235.jpg 200w, https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/JB.jpg 204w" alt="" width="153" height="180" /></a>Puritans are both wonderful and to be avoided. There are good authors and authors that are too introspective. How do we navigate this?

Mar 21, 2025

Scolding Puritans? 

<span data-contrast="auto">Are all Puritans good? Does every Puritan understand Law/Gospel? Mike answers this question from a keen listener.</span>

Mar 20, 2025

Legalism, the Amish and Homeschooling 

<span data-contrast="auto">What do these three things all have in common? If you don’t want to laugh, don’t listen to this show.</span>

Mar 19, 2025

Brainwashing

<span class="TextRun SCXO6277549 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO6277549 BCX8">Mind games? Brain washing? Soul cleansing?  Colossians 3:16?</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO6277549 BCX8"> </span>

Mar 18, 2025

John 6:35-40 Perfect Manna Pastor Steve Cooley

<strong>John 6:35-40 Perfect Manna Pastor Steve Cooley </strong>

Mar 17, 2025

Classic Friday: 2024 Summer of Interviews: The Tuesday Guy Interviews Mike and Pat Abendroth

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Mar 14, 2025

Redeeming Words

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this episode, Pastor Mike Abendroth continues his deep dive into the power of the tongue, building on last week's discussion from James 3. He explores the biblical principles of speech, highlighting both the destructive and redemptive potential of our words. With wit, personal stories, and rich theological insights, Mike unpacks Matthew 12:36 and reassures believers that while we will not be judged for our sins—because Christ bore that judgment—our words still matter greatly. He offers practical wisdom on how to replace sinful speech with godly encouragement, gratitude, and truth. From lessons on repentance and forgiveness to the impact of simple phrases like “I love you” and “I’m praying for you,” this episode challenges listeners to use their words to build up rather than tear down. A must-listen for anyone seeking to honor Christ with their speech.  </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Video Episode 7: “Redeeming Words”</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Hosts: Pastor Mike Abendroth (Pastor & Author)</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/_W_hxRbJvuE"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/_W_hxRbJvuE</span></a>

Mar 13, 2025

Dangers of the Tongue

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this episode Pastor Mike Abendroth tackles the powerful and often dangerous role of the tongue. Drawing from James 3, he explores how our words reveal the condition of our hearts and why guarding our speech is essential for a godly life. With engaging illustrations, biblical wisdom, and personal anecdotes, Mike unpacks the destructive potential of gossip, slander, and careless words, while emphasizing the power of the tongue to encourage, edify, and glorify God. He challenges listeners to examine their speech, pray for wisdom, and seek the Spirit’s help in taming their tongues. Whether in marriage, church, or daily interactions, this episode is a reminder that our words matter—and that they should reflect the truth and love of Christ.  </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Video Episode 6: “Dangers of the Tongue”</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Hosts: Pastor Mike Abendroth (Pastor & Author)</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/LdV4JtUDscg"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/LdV4JtUDscg</span></a>

Mar 12, 2025

From Nominal to New

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this episode of No Compromise Radio, host Mike Abendroth flips the script as Pastor Steve Cooley takes the lead, interviewing Mike about his own journey to faith. Mike shares his background growing up in a nominally Lutheran home, his years of spiritual indifference, and the turning points that led him to truly embrace Christ. From searching for meaning after his father's passing to discovering biblical teaching through Christian radio, Mike recounts how God used various circumstances—both joyful and painful—to draw him to salvation. The conversation is filled with humor, personal anecdotes, and reflections on the power of God’s Word. Whether you’re curious about Mike’s testimony or looking for encouragement in your own faith journey, this episode is a must-listen.  </span>
 
  
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Video Episode 5: “From Nominal to New”</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Hosts: Pastor Mike Abendroth (Pastor & Author)</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Special Guest: Steve Cooley (Pastor)</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/ZaJ-PgC9PWk"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/ZaJ-PgC9PWk</span></a>

Mar 11, 2025

A Jet Tour Through James, Part 3

Pastor Mike Abendroth, A Jet Tour Through James, Part 3

Mar 10, 2025

Classic Friday: Assurance with the Tuesday Guy

<div class="bible-media-description">  <span data-contrast="auto">We love to talk about assurance any way or any day we can. Tuesday Guy is “batter up.”  </span></div>

Mar 7, 2025

Classic: Lies About Sexual Sin (Part 2)

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 <div>Don’t let the media, group think or your own heart deceive you about sexual sin.</div>
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Mar 6, 2025

Classic: Lies About Sexual Sin (Part 1)

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 <div>Don’t let the media, group think or your own heart deceive you about sexual sin.</div>
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Mar 5, 2025

Rescued by Grace

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this special episode of No Compromise Radio, host Mike Abendroth welcomes back Pastor Steve Cooley for an in-depth discussion on his journey from Mormonism to biblical Christianity. Steve shares his personal testimony, recounting his early years in the Mormon church, the growing doubts he faced as a young man, and the pivotal moments that led him to question its teachings. He explains how his search for truth led him to the Bible, where he encountered the true gospel and the person of Jesus Christ. Mike and Steve also discuss the key theological differences between Mormonism and Christianity, offering insights on how to effectively evangelize to Mormons. With humor, honesty, and a deep appreciation for God's grace, this episode is a powerful reminder of how the Lord calls His people out of darkness into His marvelous light.</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/gCbjqB9BzTg"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/gCbjqB9BzTg</span></a>

Mar 4, 2025

A Jet Tour Through James (Part 2)

Pastor Mike preaches A Jet Tour Through James (Part 2)

Mar 3, 2025

Class Friday: Crazy Notes and James 2

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 <div>What is the craziest note that I ever received after a sermon I have preached? Yes, it is crazy. Also, Mike discussed James 2 and final justification/vindication.</div>
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Feb 28, 2025

Bruised Reeds (Part 1)

<span class="TextRun SCXO44647782 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO44647782 BCX8">Richard </span><span class="SpellingError SCXO44647782 BCX8">Sibbes</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO44647782 BCX8">’ book, “The Bruised Reed,” is a classic! Matthew 12 shows that Jesus is the fulfillment of Isaiah 42. What a Savior!</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO44647782 BCX8"> </span>

Feb 27, 2025

The Almost Christian Discovered (Part 2)

<div class="bible-media-description"><span class="TextRun SCXO89470948 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO89470948 BCX0">Are you an “almost" Christian or an “altogether” Christian? Is this the right way to think about holiness and sin? Matthew Mead needs to be avoided. </span></span><span class="EOP SCXO89470948 BCX0"> </span></div>

Feb 26, 2025

The Almost Christian Discovered (Part 1)

<span class="TextRun SCXO53758234 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO53758234 BCX0">Are you an “almost" Christian or an “altogether” Christian? Is this the right way to think about holiness and sin? Matthew Mead needs to be avoided. </span></span><span class="EOP SCXO53758234 BCX0"> </span>

Feb 25, 2025

A Jet Tour Through James (Part 1)

Pastor Mike preaches A Jet Tour Through James (Part 1)

Feb 24, 2025

Classic Friday: You Say You Want A Reformation? With Dr. R. Scott Clark (Session two: Q & A Part 2)

<a href="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186.jpg"><img class=" wp-image-5732 alignleft" src="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186-300x186.jpg" sizes="(max-width: 223px) 100vw, 223px" srcset="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186-200x124.jpg 200w, https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186.jpg 300w" alt="" width="223" height="138" /></a>Conference Title: <strong>You Say You Want A Reformation?</strong> Speaker: R. Scott Clark Session two: <em>Q and A (Part 2)</em>

Feb 21, 2025

How to Find a Church (New 2025)

<div>Whether you are looking for a church to regularly attend or if you are out of town on vacation, you will need to listen to this show.</div>
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Feb 20, 2025

What the Epistle of James Teaches Us About God

Most people just know there are, in James,  54 imperatives in 108 verses. Did you know there are 33 things you can learn about God in James. Wow!

Feb 19, 2025

Law/Gospel: A Primer: Part 3

<span class="TextRun SCXO125785350 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO125785350 BCX8">Mike reads from his new book and laughs at his own jokes. Seriously, he does. And more!</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO125785350 BCX8"> </span>
 
 <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Law-Gospel-Primer-Mike-Abendroth/dp/B0DR8WX25V/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XBXPNZXY30ZW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lCXCir-1p4MxHrIDBosurmtGK0VsXHT-BZZsEmSpeos.32NPGOvhPbl4CXiZJ5PSGSUIUvkZADzp9lyfxg_d2os&dib_tag=se&keywords=law+gospel+primer+abendroth&qid=1739065874&sprefix=law+go%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1">              Law/Gospel: A Primer amazon.com          </a>

Feb 18, 2025

Luke 7:36-50 Jesus, A Friend Of Sinners

Pastor Mike Abendroth, Luke 7:36-50 Jesus, A Friend Of Sinners

Feb 17, 2025

Classic Friday: You Say You Want A Reformation? With Dr. R. Scott Clark (Session two: Q & A Part 1)

<a href="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186.jpg"><img class=" wp-image-5732 alignleft" src="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186-300x186.jpg" sizes="(max-width: 211px) 100vw, 211px" srcset="https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186-200x124.jpg 200w, https://nocompromiseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/R.-Scott-Clark-300x186.jpg 300w" alt="" width="211" height="131" /></a>Conference Title: <strong>You Say You Want A Reformation?</strong> Speaker: R. Scott Clark Session two: <em>Q and A (Part 1)</em>

Feb 14, 2025

Law/Gospel: A Primer: Part 2

<span class="TextRun SCXO201599166 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO201599166 BCX8">Mike reads from his new book and laughs at his own jokes. Seriously, he does. And more!</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO201599166 BCX8"> </span>
 
 <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Law-Gospel-Primer-Mike-Abendroth/dp/B0DR8WX25V/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XBXPNZXY30ZW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lCXCir-1p4MxHrIDBosurmtGK0VsXHT-BZZsEmSpeos.32NPGOvhPbl4CXiZJ5PSGSUIUvkZADzp9lyfxg_d2os&dib_tag=se&keywords=law+gospel+primer+abendroth&qid=1739065874&sprefix=law+go%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1">              Law/Gospel: A Primer amazon.com          </a>

Feb 13, 2025

Law & Gospel

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this episode of “No Compromise Radio” Pastor Mike Abendroth delves into the essential distinction between Law and Gospel, breaking down its theological significance and practical application for believers. Using insights from his new book “Law & Gospel: A Primer”, Mike explains how the Law reveals sin, restrains evil, and guides believers, while the Gospel proclaims the finished work of Christ. He highlights the dangers of conflating the two, discusses assurance of salvation, and critiques heavy-handed preaching that burdens rather than frees. With humor, personal anecdotes, and pastoral wisdom, Mike also explores how this framework impacts parenting, evangelism, and daily Christian living. If you've ever struggled with assurance or wondered how Law and Gospel function in your faith, this episode is a must-listen.</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/083KWh63v0o"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/083KWh63v0o</span></a>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
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Feb 12, 2025

Law/Gospel: A Primer: Part 1

<span class="TextRun SCXO142259914 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO142259914 BCX8">Mike reads from his new book and laughs at his own jokes. Seriously, he does. And more!</span></span><span class="EOP SCXO142259914 BCX8"> </span>
 
 <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Law-Gospel-Primer-Mike-Abendroth/dp/B0DR8WX25V/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XBXPNZXY30ZW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lCXCir-1p4MxHrIDBosurmtGK0VsXHT-BZZsEmSpeos.32NPGOvhPbl4CXiZJ5PSGSUIUvkZADzp9lyfxg_d2os&dib_tag=se&keywords=law+gospel+primer+abendroth&qid=1739065874&sprefix=law+go%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-1">              Law/Gospel: A Primer amazon.com          </a>

Feb 11, 2025

Luke 7:18 ff. Doubt and Assurance (Part 2)

Pastor Mike Abendroth, Luke 7:18 ff. Doubt and Assurance, Part 2

Feb 10, 2025

Doubt vs Rejection

<span style="font-weight: 400;">Pastor Mike Abendroth continues the discussion on doubt and assurance, expanding on Jesus’ words in Luke 7. He contrasts the struggles of believers with the hardened rejection of the Pharisees, illustrating how self-righteousness blinds people to their need for salvation. Through an engaging mix of biblical teaching, personal reflections, and humor, Mike unpacks how Jesus responded to John the Baptist’s doubt with kindness and affirmation while condemning the obstinate unbelief of those who rejected both John and Jesus. He explores the parable of the "spoiled brats" who refuse to engage, whether in the somber call to repentance or the joyous call to grace, drawing parallels to modern-day skeptics. This episode serves as both an encouragement for Christians wrestling with assurance and a sobering reminder of the consequences of rejecting God's truth.</span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/Va8WiOI8OVM"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/Va8WiOI8OVM</span></a>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
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Feb 5, 2025

Doubt vs. Unbelief

<span style="font-weight: 400;">In this episode of “No Compromise Radio”, Pastor Mike Abendroth dives into the profound themes of doubt and assurance in the Christian faith, drawing from Luke 7 and other scripture. Mike examines John the Baptist's moment of doubt while imprisoned, exploring the distinction between doubt and unbelief and highlighting Jesus' compassionate response. Through a blend of theological insight and personal anecdotes, Mike reflects on the struggles believers face in reconciling trials with faith. He emphasizes the unshakable assurance found in Christ's redemption and reminds listeners that God’s grace triumphs even in moments of questioning. The episode also features a discussion on the metaphor of triumph in scripture, parallels with Roman celebrations, and the ultimate vindication found in Christ. With humor and authenticity, Mike encourages listeners to persevere in faith, leaning on God’s promises and enduring love.</span>
 
  
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Watch on YouTube: </span><a href="https://youtu.be/LlbMBTjEigo"><span style="font-weight: 400;">https://youtu.be/LlbMBTjEigo</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;"> </span>
 
 <span style="font-weight: 400;">Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) </span>
 
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Feb 4, 2025

Luke 7:18 ff. Doubt and Assurance (Part 1)

Pastor Mike Abendroth preaches <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://ref.ly/Luke%207.18;esv?t=biblia" data-reference="Luke 7.18" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference">Luke 7:18</a> ff. Doubt and Assurance (Part 1)

Feb 3, 2025

Classic Friday: Summer of Jonah 2019 Part 1, Episode I: The John 3-16 Of The Old Testament - [Jonah 1-1-3]

Classic Friday: Summer of Jonah 2019 Part 1, Episode I: The John 3-16 Of The Old Testament - [Jonah 1-1-3]

Jan 31, 2025

D. Scott Meadows Interview (Part 2)

<div>Mike and Scott engage in a fast moving, super interesting discussion. Scott is gentleman-scholar. If you like discussions about Jesus and grace, tune in!</div>
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 <div><a href="https://www.sermonaudio.com/broadcasters/cbcexeter/">              Calvary Baptist Church (Reformed) sermonaudio.com          </a></div>

Jan 30, 2025

D. Scott Meadows Interview (Part 1)

<div>Mike and Scott engage in a fast moving, super interesting discussion. Scott is gentleman-scholar. If you like discussions about Jesus and grace, tune in!</div>
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 <div><a href="https://www.sermonaudio.com/broadcasters/cbcexeter/">              Calvary Baptist Church (Reformed) sermonaudio.com          </a></div>

Jan 29, 2025

Doubt and Assurance

<span class="TextRun SCXO19863694 BCX8" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXO19863694 BCX8">Doubt assumes belief. True or False? Jude 22 tells us that we are to have mercy on doubters. Jesus did just that with John the Baptist. </span></span><span class="EOP SCXO19863694 BCX8"> </span>

Jan 28, 2025

Ephesians 2:1-10: Why Jesus Came to Earth (Part 3)

<div class="bible-media-description">Pastor Mike Abendroth preaches <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://ref.ly/Eph%202.1-10;esv?t=biblia" data-reference="Eph 2.1-10" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference">Ephesians 2:1-10</a> - Why Jesus Came to Earth, Part 3</div>

Jan 27, 2025

Classic Friday: The Election - [Ephesians 1:4-6]

Classic Friday: The Election - [Ephesians 1:4-6]

Jan 24, 2025

Doubting Christians

<div dir="auto">Doubt assumes belief. True or False? Jude 22 tells us that we are to have mercy on doubters. Jesus did just that with John the Baptist.</div>

Jan 23, 2025

Pastor Brandon Oliver Interview

<div>Mike and Brandon talk Iowa the State, Iowa the city, and about the Gospel of Jesus Christ!</div>
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Jan 22, 2025

Good Works and the Christian

<div dir="auto">Works are good, as long as you put them in the right category. Are you zealous for good works?</div>

Jan 21, 2025

Ephesians 2:1-10: Why Jesus Came to Earth (Part 2)

Pastor Mike preaches Ephesians 2:1-10: Why Jesus Came to Earth (Part 2)

Jan 20, 2025

Classic Friday: The Greatest Rescue Mission Of All-Time - [Titus 3:1-8]

<div class="bible-media-description">Tuesday Guy preaches The Greatest Rescue Mission Of All-Time - [<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://ref.ly/Titus%203.1-8;esv?t=biblia" data-reference="Titus 3.1-8" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference">Titus 3:1-8</a>]</div>

Jan 17, 2025

Good Works 

<span data-contrast="auto">NoCo believes in good works. Ask our Confession. </span>

Jan 16, 2025

 Righteous Boasting 

<span data-contrast="auto">Bragging? Boasting? Showing off? Are these righteous or unrighteous? Or both?</span>

Jan 15, 2025