Music Not Diving with Scuba

This week on Music Not Diving we decouple from the Youtube feed and get into the ongoing debate around AI. Sceptics like Ed Zitron have come to prominence with their doubts about the viability of business models of the big AI firms, but in music Suno is busily destroying artistry and the effect of the general LLMs has upended other bits of the industry too.So what does this all mean?And we also learn about the ceiling of the Rolls Royce Phantom and what that might mean for vintage mix consoles.Bob Lefsetz piece on the Indie Alliance: lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/03/31/the-indie-alliance/Shawn's referenced piece: firstfloor.substack.com/p/the-majors-are-ushering-in-an-eraTed Gioia referenced piece: www.honest-broker.com/p/four-steps-to-hell--Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro02:00 Future of the pod06:50 The Indie Alliance12:30 Major labels and AI15:00 AI scepticism20:17 New Suno model29:20 Rolls Royce and music Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does the music industry have in common with Swiss watches? Quite a lot, as we discover on this solo episode of the podcast...The latest Morgan Stanley Swiss watch industry report can be viewed here. --Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro05:52 The current landscape10:08 Volume vs luxury14.07 The key players19.11 How the successful acts do it24.32 Can listeners pick up the slack?27.10 The real problem30.20 Conclusions Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving touched down in Bengaluru, aka Bangalore, for the opening night of DJ El Sid's Ends & Means party, and also to record podcasts at the Bangalore International Centre with two of the most important people in the contemporary techno scene in India. This is part II...Sanil Sudan, aka FILM, is one of the best electronic producers to come out of India. Based in New Delhi, he has been involved in all aspects of the scene over the past decade and more: DJing, promoting parties, running one of India’s first booking agencies (UnMute), as well as making beats as FILM and other aliases including the techno-focused Tyrell Dub Corp. 'We discuss his production process, differing approaches to studio techniques including classic synths and sampling, hidden resources to be found on Youtube, the challenges facing Indian producers, the development of a distinctive Indian sound, as well as his time spent in Berlin as part of the Border Movement Residency (BMR) program. This is a great conversation with a big talent operating in a difficult environment. Get involved! Check out El Sid mixes on Soundcloud. --Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro03:10 FILM06:11 From pro-gamer to promoter08:30 The "No more parties in Delhi" experiment11:45 Learning Music Theory mid-Career15:45 AI Slop and the value of human emotion17:54 The cultural necessity of sampling22:00 Studio talk27:00 The Berlin border movement residency32:30 Post-COVID clubbing & Spotify fatigue37:30 The corporatisation of Boiler Room41:45 Forging an authentic Indian sound49:10 The global hustle for Indian DJs Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving touched down in Bengaluru, aka Bangalore, for the opening night of DJ El Sid's Ends & Means party, and also to record podcasts at the Bangalore International Centre with two of the most important people in the contemporary techno scene in India. Kohra is a key figure in the modern iteration of techno in India. His label, Qilla Records, has been one of the most important outposts for Indian producers since 2011. And as a DJ, he has established himself as a similarly important voice across clubs and festivals both in India and on the global circuit. He's also a very interesting guy with a lot to say on the state of the scene right now, and also the history.We discuss the scene in India compared to Europe and the US, the development of techno culture in India, the advance of western dance music brands into Asia, today's challenges in running labels, and his history in different areas of music.This conversation is a great insight into the workings of the scene in India... get involved!Part II will air next week.--Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro02:45 Kohra07:30 Local scenes14:00 Western club brands in India21:30 Politics and boycott culture27:50 Kohra's journey into music33:35 Production42:08 Spending time in Melbourne44:40 Jalebee Cartel47:10 Running Qilla Records53:30 Future of the scene in India Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/Frank Wiedemann is one half of legendary German house duo Âme (he does the live shows and can probably be described as the lead producer). He's also a key figure in the Innervisions label, the Dixon/Âme axis, and also a member of other groups include Howling. We discuss the new wave of electronic music nightlife in Berlin, the responsibilities of established acts to the wider scene, his processes in making music, and performance both as Âme and also in improvisational settings such as previous pod guest Sebastian Mullaert's Circle Of Live. This is a good one, get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro03:50 Berlin nightlife isn't dead07:56 Events vs. clubbing11:01 Should bigger artists give back?14:18 The paradox of playing live22:22 The new Ame album31:30 Spotify is social media38:14 From Jazz clubs to Robert Johnson49:00 Innervisions at the Royal Albert Hall55:49 The art of the 8-hour jam01:04:52 Teaching and retreats Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/Slipmatt is one of the most important DJs in the history of dance music. From his first major gig at Raindance in 1989, he came to be known as the Godfather Of Hardcore, becoming synonymous with the genre that typified the UK rave sound in the early 90s. His 'SL2' project, with DJ Lime, yield two top-ten hits including the genre-defining 'On A Ragga Tip' that reached number 2 in the UK singes chart in May 1992.He was also instrumental in emergence Jungle from the Hardcore scene, and produced classics including 'Hear Me' which typify the linearity between the two genres.We discuss the pre-acid house period, the game-changing nature of the rave explosion both in music and society, and we get into his personal journey from bedroom producer to Top Of The Pops.This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK dance music, get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro02:00 Episode start04:55 What “Old School” really means06:25 The split between Hardcore & Jungle11:30 Bridging the divide13:10 Bedroom producer beginnings17:20 The lost art of studio mentorship18:40 DJ Culture & skill obsession24:15 First raves & Acid House reality26:15 Birth of Raindance27:40 Illegal → Legal Raves29:10 Becoming a National DJ30:40 Independence and management32:10 The end of Illegal raving33:10 Rave culture as a social & political movement35:30 Media & moral panic37:30 Policing, laws & the Criminal Justice Act Era41:30 Legacy of early Rave culture43:30 Personal reflections & looking back47:00 Clearing samples50:24 Top of the Pops and meeting Kylie56:27 The Prodigy59:31 Rage club and Jungle Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Recondite is one of our favourite guests and here we welcome him for his third appearance on the podcast.We discuss his recent performances at arguably the world's hottest music venue - the Sphere in Las Vegas, and also the Pyramids of Giza in Egypt. And we get the inside story on what's going on in melodic techno, an area of dance music that has attracted some of the biggest audiences while being largely ignored by the press.The issue of dance music and popular culture as art is also discussed in detail, as well as the continuing developments in AI in music - both in ethical terms and in the practice of making music.This is a great conversation, get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingFollowing on from the 'End Of Recorded Music?' episode, this week we take a look at some of the surrounding issues. This is the first time I've done a solo episode speaking to camera and there are some inconsistencies which show up in the audio... check out the video version of this episode on YouTube (or if you're on Spotify then it'll be available here too). --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingSister Bliss is the musical driving force behind one of the biggest dance acts of all time - Faithless.We discuss her early period as a DJ, linking up with Rollo and launching Cheeky Records from home, meeting the late, great Maxi Jazz and forming Faithless. And of course we get into the hits and the differing process of music making over the years.This is a great conversation with a true legend of UK music!00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation03:00 Sister Bliss05:10 Releasing music now vs then07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea09:15 Invisible gatekeepers10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life23:30 Early musical influences29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights33:00 Meeting Maxi36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap41:10 Cheeky Records48:00 Making the first album55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload01:00:40 The future of creativity01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation 03:00 Sister Bliss05:10 Releasing music now vs then07:05 Champion sound & the double-album idea09:15 Invisible gatekeepers10:35 Forever Free, Maxi & the meaning of freedom12:10 Vinyl culture & record-shop life23:30 Early musical influences29:45 The cassette demo that changed everything31:10 Camden studios, sushi & late nights33:00 Meeting Maxi36:40 DJing, dropping out & taking the leap41:10 Cheeky Records 48:00 Making the first album55:30 Making music now: tools, plugins & overload01:00:40 The future of creativity01:02:45 Memory, archives & coming full circle Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingBugged Out is one of the UK's best-loved and most enduring club brands. From humble beginnings in Manchester, through Sankeys, Cream in Liverpool, fabric and The End in London, right the way through to their enormous 30th birthday at the 15k capacity Drumsheds in London, this is a promotion that has consistently done things right in terms of the music and the vibe. Johnno Burgess is one of the co-founders, and also the former editor of the legendary Jockey Slut magazine which originally launched the night that became Bugged Out. We discuss the history of the event with its many successes and occasional failures, the changing landscape over the last 30 years, how they booked Daft Punk for free, and we also get into the golden era of the dance press and how it looks in the current era.This is a great conversation with a relatively unsung hero of UK dance culture. Get involved! Grab the new Bugged Out book here--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:13 Episode start02:50 Bugged Out at 3004:54 Changing fashion on the floor07:28 The golden age of dance music journalism12:45 Influencers are the new fanzines18:08 The birth of Jockey Slut24:00 From magazine to club night27:30 The Manchester club scene30:49 Closure of clubs and pop-up spaces36:10 Trust and curation44:12 Nation, Cream and Liverpool47:20 First Bugged Out Weekender52:30 Festival curation55:00 Moving away from Liverpool59:05 The End - 8 defining years01:02:00 When clubs started disappearing01:03:30 Drumsheds, Printworks and mega-rooms01:05:50 The role of private equity 01:13:00 Highs and lows Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingThe Sabres Of Paradise were formed in 1992 by Andrew Weatherall, Gary Burns, and our guest on today's episode Jagz Kooner. They burned brightly but briefly, initially disbanding in 1995, but have now reformed (without the late Weatherall) for what Jagz says will be a limited time. We discuss the story of the Sabres, but also Jagz' wider career which covers a lot of ground as a remixer and producer. And we also get into his thoughts on today's scene, and the changes in music making he's witnessed in four decades making tunes. This is a good one! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:13 Episode start02:44 Sabres reunion08:45 Playing Sydney Opera House11:38 From seated silence to dancing chaos13:05 This song changed lives15:58 Post-Sabres life17:06 Early DJ roots21:36 Machines over bands25:45 A very Jagz birthday29:24 This machine will change the world36:02 The bootleg that changed everything37:30 Andrew Weatherall45:00 Touring and burnout47:30 After the split50:00 Producing for others59:30 Legacy and influence01:03:00 The meaning of the reunion01:07:00 Honouring Andrew Weatherall01:11:00 Looking forward01:15:00 Advice for young producers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingThis is a re-up of a podcast we released in mid-2023 which sought to set the table for what was then the coming debate on AI in music and the wider socio-economic world. It's worth returning to because it covers the big issues that I anticipate will be covered on the podcast this coming year, and takes a look at some of the initial intuitions coming into this highly weird period of human history. This stuff isn't going anywhere, and it poses serious questions for what the music industry is for. What are musicians doing making music in this environment? What's the purpose of music in of itself? These are questions I have been asking myself over the last few weeks, and there are no easy answers...--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:30 AI in music and art12:20 Possible developments17:13 Ethics in art22:21 Music's cultural decline27:06 The capitalist bogeyman29:35 Identity vs music43:21 Is all this just moaning? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingA review of some of the stuff that happened in the Year of Our Lord, 2025.Percy Digs instagram as mentioned: https://www.instagram.com/percydigs?igsh=MXM3OGJ0OW9rZDMzbA==All other links and more info on this episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/best-of-2025-147063099--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:50 Track of the year04:45 Conclusions of the year15:20 Album of the year18:46 Book (fiction)22:00 Book (nonfiction)25:14 Podcast episode26:47 Nightclub30:02 Forgotten Hard Rock album33:06 Best gig36:56 Streaming platform40:25 Worst album of the year41:23 Worst track of the year42:00 Coming up in 2026 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!Full details.Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingKazim is an artist manager whose clients include Nightmares On Wax, and also the chief creative and brand officer at RA.We discuss the mechanics of creative campaigns for new and legacy artists, the challenge of breaking new music, and the different obstacles in the way of older acts. We also discuss the music media landscape and the role of media in today's industry.This is a rare chance to get the inside track on artist management and big music media platforms... get involved!Music discussed in the episode…https://jitwam.bandcamp.comhttps://anaiis.bandcamp.comhttps://saultglobal.bandcamp.comhttps://nightmaresonwax.bandcamp.com00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:13 Episode start04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms07:55 Death of middle class in music11:35 Successful artists can't tour14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?21:08 Great music always shines through24:04 100,000 songs a day27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal30:46 Success without social media33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms35:30 It’s always been a slog39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist45:00 Power in the catalogue55:00 Working for Warp Records01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way01:04:50 Working at RA01:12:08 The state of Berlin--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:13 Episode start04:52 Artist management vs. media platforms07:55 Death of middle class in music11:35 Successful artists can't tour14:39 Everyone’s a DJ Now17:38 Can albums still take years to break through?21:08 Great music always shines through24:04 100,000 songs a day27:09 Going viral is the wrong goal30:46 Success without social media33:14 Word of mouth over algorithms35:30 It’s always been a slog39:00 Maintaining a legacy of an artist45:00 Power in the catalogue55:00 Working for Warp Records01:01:35 Fans vs. listeners01:03:20 Chasing the algorithm is not the way01:04:50 Working at RA01:12:08 The state of Berlin Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!Full details.Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingSam Binga is a DJ & Producer from Bristol, UK.Having first emerged in the breaks scene of the early 2000s, in the 2010s he placed himself firmly at the centre of UK bass, with releases on 50 Weapons, Exit and Critical. His sound spans the anthemic rowdiness of tracks like ‘AYO’ and ‘Lef Dem’, to the deeper explorations of his collaborations with Om Unit. He also runs Pineapple Records, a crucial label in the patchwork of soundsystem-adjacent UK electronic music. We discuss the state of the current UK scene, his history through various areas of the UK bass scene, forthcoming music on Pineapple, and a lot more. Get involved! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:10 Longtime listener first-time caller05:24 2025 recap06:30 Pros and cons of self-releasing11:00 Liking your own music13:30 The producer’s mind17:30 Intuition, magic, and fear of the future24:30 Breakstep30:00 Bao Binga, breaks, and nearly going Dubstep34:00 The death of the alias37:20 Early aspirations, career advice and mountain biking41:41 Early 2000s and lower barriers to entry43:44 Community before social media48:30 What Makes a scene? 52:55 Sankeys, violence, police pressure55:00 Seeing Jeff Mills at Sankeys58:15 The 2010s House era 59:14 The birth of Sam Binga & Exit Records01:08:10 UK Radio culture vs. US01:17:20 Label philosophy: skate-team energy & A&R instinct Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!Full details.Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingGuy Brewer, aka Shifted, aka half of Commix, aka Carrier, made an appearance on our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast, a couple of years ago that was very popular. He returns with a new alias but a similar selection of wise takes on the electronic music scene and the challenges facing everyone trying to operate in it.We discuss the new Carrier album, Rhythm Immortal, the challenge of genre expectations, the disappearing middle class of musicians, the (ir)relevance of record labels, and much more besides.This is a good one!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:48 Transition from Shifted to Carrier04:48 Creative burnout07:03 Creative Cycles & Starting Over09:31 Musical Influences Behind Carrier12:01 Genre ambiguity 15:04 Creative Rebirth18:01 Industry vs. scene21:01 The middle class of music has gone24:02 Tech and lower barriers to entry27:07 Does personality still matter?31:13 Hard Techno is lifestyle branding34:32 Aesthetics, label identity and scenes38:20 Big tech, democratisation and gatekeeping42:02 Self-release or label chase?48:00 Art and intent53:58 Production philosophy01:00:02 Tools, workflow & sampling vs. modular01:03:10 Creative ruts, flow states & longevity Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

PLEDGE DRIVE 2025 - all new subscribers to the Musicality tier on Patreon will get a Not A Diving Club t-shirt in your size of choice, delivered to your door completely free of charge!Full details.Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingFrançois X is a key figure in the history of French techno. From his DEMENT3D label and nights at Social Club to his residency at legendary club Concrete, he has helped redefine the music over time and made a huge contribution to its development in Paris and beyond.We discuss all of the above, as well as the state of the scene right now and of course the music.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation03:02 Episode start04:15 State of Paris clubbing 08:00 Music evolution and changing sounds14:00 Roots of Francois X sound18:00 Repurposing influences19:42 Booking Scuba & Joy Orbison21:00 Concrete: The legendary club32:12 Paris’ club culture identity34:00 Quitting the day job38:00 Disco, House and Techno38:25 The origin of 'Francois X'39:00 House music ruled the roost42:10 Electroclash, French touch and Ed Banger45:00 Soulful to Techy: Records that flipped it48:00 Klockworks, MDR and Dub Techno50:51 Production beginnings 52:25 DEMENT3D and starting a label58:24 How would you start a label now?01:05:50 Social media pressure and identity01:11:50 What's next for Techno? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night--Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingMixtress is a London-based DJ and producer from Amsterdam known for her versatile sets that blend genres like UK hardcore, jungle, bassweight, techno, and dubstep. Raised with a strong musical foundation, she has performed at major venues like Printworks and Fabric, appeared on platforms such as Boiler Room, and holds resident DJ spots at Rinse FM and The Cause London.We discuss her dance music roots in Amsterdam and London, the changing nature of DJs and their careers, notable DJ beefs, and the influence of Colin Faver.This is the fourth and final of our recordings at ADE, thanks for listening! Back on regular episodes next week.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 brought to you by Acid Nation02:36 Episode start03:02 Amsterdam origins 04:36 Majestic Casual era06:04 Lapalux shaping her taste09:00 University, Joy Orbison and dBridge12:10 Major events shaping music14:30 Cancel culture17:14 Are there too many DJs?19:00 Hustle mindset infiltrating club culture23:07 Edit culture and TikTok trends24:15 Defining her style26:35 Realising she's a 'proper DJ'29:03 COVID era and radio shows30:43 Scene rebuilding32:49 Post-COVID behaviours37:20 Can the scene autocorrect itself?40:03 Warm-up sets and etiquette41:30 The big rant43:35 Favourite parties to play Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night--Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingSofia Ilyas is currently Beatport's Chief Community Officer, formerly a key figure at the Erased Tapes label, and an important force in the emergence of ambient/neoclassical superstar Nils Frahm.We discuss her upbringing and subsequent escape from a highly conservative family in Wales, discovering electronic music in her late 20s, and eventual career in the industry.This is a fascinating and unexpected conversation - get involved!This is the third of our four recordings at ADE, the final one will be along shortly!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:40 Intro03:35 The Role of Chief Community Officer05:40 Loneliness, creativity & connection07:55 Changing Beatport’s culture09:40 Building a role from scratch11:10 Beatport’s redemption14:23 Early life in Cardiff15:31 Escaping ultraconservatism19:45 Temple life21:36 Discovering club culture25:16 Meeting Nils Frahm27:36 The rise of Erased Tapes30:08 Creative experiments32:15 Leaving Erased Tapes35:00 Saying No and authenticity40:24 Joining Beatport41:30 Loneliness, grief & identity44:20 Coaching the next generation Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night--Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingDot Major is half of NIGHT manoeuvres (with ABSOLUTE), who are releasing via fabric's label. And he is also a member of London Grammar, one of the better bands to emerge from the UK in the last decade or so. We discuss his gradual journey into electronic music, what it's like breaking through in a big way, and some of the unusual things he's got up to along the way. This is the second of our four recordings at ADE, the next one will be along shortly! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:40 Intro03:00 Missing moderator04:11 The birth of NIGHT manoeuvres05:16 Playing the Crane at ADE06:31 Musical roots09:30 HYPH MNGO and Dubstep12:00 The roots of London Grammar14:24 Blending live and electronic worlds17:00 DJing, skill, and the soul of performance20:06 Technology always wins24:06 Baptism of fire at Printworks28:03 Ibiza memories & the Lynx Africa hot tub31:00 NIGHT manoeuvres from studio to stage33:15 Gear talk36:00 AI talk and the future of music41:11 Favourite Dance albums Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event.This episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night--Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingThe first of four conversations recorded at ADE last week. Joris Voorn is a key figure in Dutch house and techno, and actually the genre as a whole. Releasing albums since 2004, he's been a fixture on the biggest stages for basically the entirety of the intervening period, and carved out a distinctive sound without ever pandering to the fashions of the day. He's also thoroughly nice chap who talks very well about the music and culture that surrounds it. Stay tuned for the other three conversations coming over the course of the next couple of weeks.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:02:30 Intro04:18 ADE & Amsterdam06:15 Ibiza: Then vs. Now10:53 Genres14:35 Minimal was a shockwave16:27 Albums & consistency19:50 “I thought you needed a 303 to make Techno”23:57 Carl Cox the kingmaker26:08 “All the music I made, probably 1% got released”34:00 Creative change and backlash36:10 ‘Serotonin’ and personal loss38:09 The songwriting process44:00 “You can’t tell if it’s AI or Human anymore” Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingPerc is one of modern techno's reference points: an internationally touring DJ and live act, founder of the scene-leading Perc Trax label and one of the most respected producers in techno today.We discuss his early period of hardware experimentation, the birth of Perc the artist project as well as the Perc Trax label, recent developments in techno, and the evolution of his sound. This is a crucial conversation with one of the absolute key figures in the history of UK techno. Get involved! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation02:23 Perc04:27 Techno DJing today 06:26 A weekend of cancellations07:24 Tresor and Techno11:26 Berghain reflections18:39 Early life & musical roots21:13 From Metal bands to machines26:35 Studying Music Production36:07 The birth of Perc39:59 Working at Prime 48:01 Collapse of vinyl's golden age50:58 Life after Prime55:50 Learning the label game59:30 Nucleus records and gaming the charts01:05:30 Perctrax01:09:00 Social media, hype, and longevity01:13:25 Mentoring challenges01:16:40 Tiptoeing around Hard Techno01:24:43 The worst thing for Perctrax01:26:00 Best Techno parties now Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingA boycott is the end of a conversation, not the start. On Music Not Diving this week, we discuss whether Spotify is such an exceptional case of evil that it deserves be made an example of, or whether there might be another platform, for instance one owned by a Communist dictatorship, which might better fit the bill. And we give thanks to Cory Doctorow for his theoretical underpinning to the episode, which also features in the title! Chapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation04:00 Enshittification13:27 The Napster era18:40 Is Spotify a special case?25:00 AI music in streaming31:15 Tiktok is a music streamer37:55 The real problem is distribution41:45 Do labels still add value?Honestly this could easily have been twice as long and there are many issues which are omitted or insufficiently covered... but it took nearly a whole day to record and edit and that's about the limit of my pay grade! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingDJ Bone is a legend of Detroit techno, and previous guest on the original version of this show, episode 73 of the Not A Diving Podcast.We discuss the latest goings on between Motor City and his adopted home of Amsterdam, his recent album The End Of Never... and whether DJs really need to learn how to beatmatch. A welcome return from one of our favourite guests in the history of the show! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation03:00 DJ Bone05:18 “Professor Bone time”07:01 Prince, Mojo & the birth of Detroit Techno loyalty012:26 “People forgot how to rave”15:30 Creeping commercialisation21:00 Music and distribution23:15 10,000 vinyl records30:20 Beatmatching is DJing 10135:49 The next gen and mentorship41:03 “They're too worried about a career before they hone their craft”47:00 Music is therapy and the album process57:00 Playing your own music out62:00 Detroit vs the world01:06:10 Aphex Twins and Moodymann01:11:00 Techno is political01:22:30 Homeless homies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingPaul Ćinske is the man behind every single booking at the most important club in the history of techno (maybe)... Tresor.We discuss the current state of the Berlin scene, the changes since the trauma of the pandemic, his role at the venue in detail, the importance of one person steering the creative ship of a club like Tresor... and much else besides.We haven't had anything quite like this on the show before, and Paul does not disappoint!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro02:00 Paul Ćinske04:22 That classic Berlin cliche08:22 Future Music and the Melbourne scene09:00 Berlin’s clubbing landscape11:48 First impressions of Berlin14:45 Berlin = Techno city17:25 Small venues and the ecosystem21:50 Has raving in a dark room become less attractive?25:00 Less stigma with older ravers31:10 Ticketing culture vs. Berlin’s door policy35:05 If FWD was down to ticket figures…38:30 Working as Tresor’s booker46:00 OM is the great humbler47:30 Tresor’s reopening & post-pandemic recovery54:02 Creative direction of Tresor01:04:00 Legacy, identity & the future01:09:30 Büro Siebzig Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingReturning guest Darren Hemmings is a music marketing expert and the founder of a creative marketing agency specialising in music called Motive Unknown.He's also the author of the excellent Network Notes Substack.How do you break through in 2025? How do you even get your music heard? These problems are as pertinent for acts signed to big labels as it is for people just starting out.Is streaming a problem? And what is the role of labels today? We address all these things and much more besides in a vital conversation for anyone with even a passing interest in music, the industry, and the development of culture in today’s big tech- dominated world.This is a great conversation with a returning guest who will definitely be on the show again!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:02:41 Intro 04:34 Music marketing: constantly changing… or just copycatting?07:59 The Death of Monoculture12:30 Why do labels exist anymore? 14:35 Labels as a nexus point 18:05 Big Tech hates teenage girls20:07 Music is worth… nothing 22:07 Flood the market with crap 26:10 Sorry, but not everyone’s an artist 27:13 Raves without phones29:55 The “S” word 35:53 The importance of local scenes39:20 What does change look like 44:46 Déjà Vu: The next music industry collapse48:23 Oasis, K-Pop, and the price of nostalgia 55:00 Did Indie labels blow their shot? 56:05 Private equity, KKR and boycotting 01:04:21 The role of journalism and criticism 01:08:14 Is Gen Z missing out? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingJamz Supernova is one of the UK’s most respected DJs and broadcasters. Best known for her shows on BBC Radio 1Xtra and BBC 6 Music, she's built a reputation as a champion of forward-thinking sounds, spanning R&B, future soul, club music, and the global underground.Beyond her broadcasting career, Jamz is also the founder of Future Bounce, the label and club brand that has become a platform for innovative new talent. From curating radio shows and festival stages to running her own imprint, she has established herself as a key voice shaping the conversation around contemporary music in the UK and beyond.We discuss her experiences in broadcasting, the various ways people find their way in music careers, and what it's like being a judge on the Mercury Music Prize.Get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro03:10 Podcast vs. Radio06:30 Getting into the industry09:52 Influences and aspirations12:03 Deptford, Millwall and gentrification13:48 Radio does nothing for kids18:20 The biggest challenge for artists18:44 2008 Financial crash and DIY Hustle19:57 Starting at 1Xtra26:40 Black British Music in the mainstream30:02 “You shouldn’t like everything I play”34:26 Brit School40:35 UK Funky, Dubstep and Rinse44:44 Traumatic first DJ gig49:14 “I’m never mixing RnB and Hip-Hop”53:17 Gilles Peterson56:00 Being a multi-genre DJ59:03 Bridging Radio and Club audiences01:03:40 The homogenisation of production 01:07:50 Being a Mercury Prize judge01:13:50 The genius of Dizzee Rascal01:15:42 Artistic freedom 01:16:55 Predjudice and Radio 601:20:08 3 Biggest tunes of the Summer Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingPendulum are the biggest Drum n Bass act of all time. A controversial statement perhaps but one that ChatGPT agrees with. El Hornet is the band's DJ, a member since day 1 of Pendulum in Perth, Australia, and a man who has been on every step of the journey along with Rob Swire and Gareth McGrillen. They have a new album out called Inertia, and it's their first one since 2010. It's both very modern and very recognisable as a Pendulum record, which might say as much about their wider influence on dance music as anything else. We discuss the scene in 90s Perth, playing in punk bands, moving to the UK in 2003, taking over the scene and ultimately outgrowing it. Oh and playing before Beyoncé at Glastonbury. Some mad stuff in this one - you're gonna enjoy it! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Join Acid Nation00:59 Intro02:43 El Hornet03:14 The new album06:40 The influence on Skrillex08:00 Breaking the DnB mould08:57 Knife Party and being competitive09:52 DJing after Andy C11:09 Lightening up13:03 “You blink and you’re a legacy act’19:03 Genres are important20:50 Dubstep in the US26:07 Perth, Australia35:14 Mining and meth39:15 Moving to the UK51:10 Breaking through 57:15 The new record01:03:00 The DnB ethos01:05:28 Singing over Drum n Bass01:08:06 Current state of the scene01:11:00 Beyoncé at Glastonbury Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingWe are finally back with a brand new episode!Kelly Lee Owens is one of the most notable UK electronic musicians to emerge over the last decade. An album artist, she released her first LP back in 2017 and the most recent, Dreamstate was released on dh2 in 2024.We discuss her past as a Taekwondo black belt, experiences with the supernatural, making music without knowledge of theory, the mechanics of releasing music today, as well as the challenges facing musicians and the scene more widely.This is a good one!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro03:18 Episode starts03:43 Wrestling stan06:13 The 5 tenets needed for Taekwondo and Music07:30 Haunted hotels10:35 Welsh folklore and wizardry 17:40 Music theory and the decline of music education27:45 Waiting for the magic to happen28:54 The importance of collaboration32:42 "The weight of an album will never change''39:10 The creative process shouldn't be easy43:30 Making the first album49:55 The album campaign lifecycle 54:58 The rise in marketing and branding58:40 Flogging artists and mental health01:04:16 Working as a nurse01:05:22 Ozzy Osbourne01:07:24 The importance of a manager01:09:45 Getting into Dance music01:12:58 Decline of small venues and culture01:18:23 The rise in touring costs 01:20:24 The Festivalisation of Dance Music Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingSkream was the poster boy for the early dubstep scene, then made the charts as part of Magnetic Man, and since then forged a unique path through different areas of dance music while always maintaining the personality that made him a star in the first place.This conversation was first broadcast in September 2023, episode 85 of our previous incarnation, the Not A Diving Podcast. And more people have listened to it than any of our other 200-odd episodes.We discuss what the very early years of dubstep were really like, and what happened when the Americans got involved. What it was like being marketed as an old fashioned rock n roll hellraiser, the fun that was had and the pressure that came with it. And we get into how the music and the scene has changed along the way.This is a great chat with a legend of UK music - worth a re-spin even if you listened the first time round, and absolutely essential listening if you missed it!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro02:45 Skreamizm 808:12 Lockdown Tunes & Addictive Process20:40 Staying True, Not Conforming30:48 Different Definitions of Success34:15 Transition to House43:46 Autonomic Influence50:32 Stories Before the Sober Journey1:00:41 Generational Marketability1:07:54 Upbringing, Escapism, Maturing1:15:55 How Magnetic Man’s Pop Sound Influenced American Dubstep1:23:33 Genre Gatekeeping in DNB, Jungle, and Garage1:28:40 (Big) Apple Records1:39:10 Scene Development Differences1:47:33 Panorama Bar & DoLab Experiences Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDiving--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and Bandcamp alternatives07:50 What is Bandcamp and D2C?15:45 Bandcamp vs the whole industry19:00 Growth, efficiency, takeovers26:00 Single point of failure?36:00 Are dance music fans stingy? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingStuart McMillan is half of Slam, one of the most important UK techno acts in history and absolute key players in the world of Scottish electronic music.The new Slam album, Dark Channel is out now on their own Soma imprint - one of the most important UK techno labels and a conversation in itself.We discuss the story of Slam from the mid 80s onwards, traversing the Acid House experience in Glasgow into the 90s rave era and beyond. We talk about Daft Punk releasing their early singles on Soma and the history of the label more generally. And we discuss the modern techno scene in Scotland and across the world.Another point of conversation is the 2018 Slam album Athenaeum 101 - a really great piece of work which very much deserves another look and listen.Scotland has been criminally neglected on the podcast up til now so this is a great way to start addressing the balance! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro02:54 Glasgow techno scene12:20 New Slam album - Dark Channel21:50 Divisions in society and music28:45 Is techno political?34:10 Early years in music40:40 Acid House and rave in Glasgow01:01:50 Early Slam productions01:15:30 The label - Soma01:18:30 Discovering Daft Punk01:27:55 The best club in the world Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by Acid Nation (formerly AC55ID)... head over to www.acidnation.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the video episodes of Music Not Diving over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingNo full episode this week but an update on our scheduling woes and what we have coming up for the rest of the summer. Oh and the world's worst Spotify take. --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingWe've covered techno quite a lot over the years, but this episode is definitely one of our favourites.Originally broadcast May 2024, we were discussing the LB Dub Corp album Saturn To Home. But we talk about a lot more than that!Normal service will resume on Tuesday 29 July.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro01:52 Luke Slater's definition of Techno05:20 Techno vs Rave09:30 Dance music vs Rave Culture15:40 Modern festivals18:30 Early 90s Techno wars30:00 Using aliases35:00 LB Dub Corp - Saturn To Home43:00 Vocalists on the album57:20 On very long tracks01:05:30 Berlin clubs01:13:00 Problems in the modern club scene01:24:00 Different eras of Hard Techno01:33:40 Internationalism in the dance scene01:37:00 Techno recommendations! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingDenise Devenish is a psychotherapist who specialises in treating musicians, offering a specialist service for those working in music and the creative industries.She describes herself as having grown up "in a family steeped in the music business and having been surrounded by musicians and industry folk my whole life" and having "witnessed first hand the unique highs and lows that working in the industry entails."So of course this is an interesting person to talk to!We discuss the extent of the mental health crisis in the creative industries (as well as the wider economy), the differences in the younger generation and their attitudes to drug and alcohol, the "art comes from pain" and "genius requires madness" tropes, and the changes that digital music has brought to participants in the industry.The book we refer to is Can Music Make You Sick? by Sally Anne Gross and George Musgrave (aka Context). A key input into that is Jodi Dean's Communucative Capitalism (2005), which I also recommend.This a really interesting discussion of some pertinent issues!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show03:39 Who is Denise Devenish?07:45 Mental health challenges in creative industries13:30 The realities of creative work20:40 Suffering for your art27:30 On-stage characters30:50 Challenges of different levels of success36:10 Metrics of value in digital music43:30 Are young people really drinking less?50:00 What are the treatment options?01:07:00 Early experiences Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingThis is easily in my top 3 favourite episodes of the 170-odd we've done. The sound of it was originally pretty terrible though, it was a constant battle in the early days of the podcast to get people recording in good spaces.Luckily we kept most of the individual mic channels and the software has come on leaps and bounds recently, so it's now very easy to convert a very roomy mic recording into something that sounds like it was done in a proper radio studio.Steve Davis was one of the very biggest sporting celebrities in the 1980s. He totally dominated the sport of snooker in Tiger Woods-like fashion, winning the world title six times and setting unprecedented levels of excellence in front of enormous television audiences. The 18m who tuned in on BBC2 to watch him lose the 1985 final on the final ball of the final frame, well after midnight, is still a record.But he's also a major music head, DJ and modular synth-playing member of experimental group The Utopia Strong, who has always been a very interesting character. The Utopia Strong releases since we first broadcast this conversation two years ago are... well, strong, especially the BBC Sessions release which was recorded in a live session at the legendary Maida Vale studios.And he's also Eddie Hearn's Godfather.So we talk about all of the above, but perhaps most interestingly the experience of fame at that level and how to cope with it. Having a really top manager helps, we discover.This is well worth a re-listen if you caught it first time round, and if you didn't - well, you're in for a treat.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show04:45 Warming up for Blur10:50 The legend of Magma12:40 Starting a DJ career21:15 Getting into modular25:15 The Utopia Strong - influences28:30 Playing music live vs playing professional snooker40:00 Dealing with nerves42:30 Issues with quitting professional sport48:00 Longevity in music careers54:00 Professionalisation of snooker59:00 Management and Barry (and Eddie) Hearn01:13:30 The pressures of fame01:21:30 On Stephen Hendry and Jimmy White01:24:15 The 1985 World Championship Final01:29:30 The similarities of flow in sport and music01:33:40 On going on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingJames Holden is a highly respected electronic musician from the UK. He first broke through in the late 90s with his trance-crossover anthem 'Horizons', and quickly became established as an expert producer and DJ. Following his first album 'The Idiots Are Winning', released like almost all of his music on his own label Border Community label, his sound has evolved in expansive and unexpected ways, culminating in 2023's 'Imagine This Is a High Dimensional Space of All Possibilities' and most recently 'The Universe Will Take Care Of You' with Waclaw Zimpel.We discuss his changing approaches to making recording and performing, his relationship with nightclubs and DJ culture, the specifics of making his most recent albums, and the nature of music as art.We also attempt to get him to dish the dirt on big name DJs but he turns out to be the model of discretion!This is a good one, stick it on, and then listen to his recent catalogue - it's truly amazing work.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show03:33 DJing and nightclubs09:30 Playing live13:00 Originality16:00 Meeting Waclaw Zimpel21:30 Improvisation32:10 Jamming or songwriting36:30 Awful superstar DJs and meeting heroes39:40 Composition and coding48:30 Is recorded music a historical blip?57:00 Recording session in Morocco01:08:00 DJing as art01:14:40 The Animal Spirits01:19:30 Imagine This Is A High Dimensional Space Of All Possibilities01:28:30 Influential albums Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingWe've been talking a lot in recent weeks about politics in dance music. Over on the Patreon feed we did a bonus episode covering the debate around private equity in festivals, of which there will be a second part this week. There will be a solo podcast covering all that on the main feed in the next couple of weeks but in the meantime we wanted to return to one of the absolute best episodes we've done, one which covered many of the wider themes that have come to the forefront of the discussion recently, from all the way back in March 2023.Tijana T is a DJ from Serbia. She's been involved in the scene in Belgrade one way or another since the 90s, a period which for obvious reasons was extremely fraught across the whole region. The discussion covers her wider career, but we spend a lot of time discussing the effect that conflict has on art, and on artists. From a position of direct experience, Tijana speaks with real insight on these topics.Covering this sort of thing is difficult. Not least because we get blocked from promoting our videos on Youtube when certain topics are even mention. But this is the important stuff that's happening in culture right now, and while tackling anything of it with a degree of nuance is a serious challenge, it's one that we enjoy on this show.Even if you listened to this episode the first time round we highly recommend giving it another spin. It's highly relevant to what is going on today.--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show02:32 the problems with music journalism12:40 privilege in dance music21:20 developing as an artist in Serbia33:30 the rave scene in 90s Belgrade47:10 war in Yugoslavia and the dance scene56:00 representing Serbia as an artist today01:06:00 the war in Ukraine and the dance scene01:22:00 performative activism in music01:35:00 musical pigeonholing01:40:30 DJs and personal branding01:48:30 favourite DJ mixes Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingAndy Cato is half of Groove Armada - one of the biggest ever UK dance acts and source of some of the biggest hits of the late 90s and early 2000s. To a younger audience, however, he might be more familiar as the guy who does regenerative farming on Top Gear alumnus and pantomime villain Jeremy Clarkson's weirdly successful Amazon show 'Clarkson's Farm'. This is an interesting combination to say the least, and really we could've done with another couple of hours to explore the two things in full, and also the link between. But an hour is all we had on the day... because Andy had to go off to film with Clarkson.We actually focus mostly on the second half of Andy's career during this conversation - I found the prep for this so interesting that I had a ton of questions on his journey to prominence in this area, as a farmer but also a co-founder of the Wildfarmed organisation, and also the area itself. But we also get into the music too. Episode 1 of Farming Not Diving it is...--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show03:14 Getting into farming - France09:40 European agriculture15:00 Agriculture in the US19:00 Regenerative farming36:00 The food industry44:00 Farming and climate change50:30 What is rewilding?55:00 Music! 58:20 Working with Clarkson01:01:20 Hit records Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingHow important is it for musicians to have a political message? Not just the platitudinous virtue signalling that many in the arts indulge in - but a real message that poses a challenge to the powerful forces in society? That's a question that sounds like it has an easy answer to it, but reality is always more complicated.Hot Chip's Joe Goddard joined us on stage last summer at Lost Village festival for a chat in front of an audience that you can find on this episode of our previous incarnation - the Not A Diving Podcast. But this episode is not that - Joe joined us in the studio earlier this month for a 'proper' episode in which we tackle the above questions and a lot more besides.We also discuss the process for making a Hot Chip record, and also the processes behind his solo material. We talk about his work a producer for other acts and his music making philosophy more generally. We continue on the topic of grunge from our last conversation, and we ponder the challenges of staying relevant in music over a long career.Joe is one of the good ones and you're gonna enjoy this!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro and how you can support the show04:00 new Hot Chip album sessions07:00 writing music in the studio12:00 working with different producers17:30 the art of music production25:00 jamming and song writing32:30 Kneecap and Rage Against The Machine41:00 is politics in music important?53:20 is the streaming model evil?01:05:00 the debate over ticket prices01:09:00 the economics of live tours01:17:40 reasons to be optimistic Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingIs the club scene dead? Have festivals killed it? Or are festivals themselves in terminal decline? Or is everything actually doing great in live music, humming along nicely with a rosy future?These are questions inexpertly pondered in the usual morass of music discussion, but on this week’s episode we are graced with real expertise on the subject.Steve Hogan is a partner and senior agent at one of the world’s biggest talent agencies - WME - who looks after acts including Pete Tong, Eric Prydz, and Groove Armada.He's a twenty-year veteran at the company who has seen it all in the live sector and particularly the electronic side of it.We address the aforementioned questions, as well as discussing the role of the agent in an artist’s career, ticketing and the role of Ticketmaster, and we also get into the topical question of politics in music and the specific example of Kneecap.Strap in for some expert opinion!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show 04:30 Big hitters08:40 State of the club scene12:22 Super clubs changing the landscape16:05 Relationship between fans and artists20:44 Growing organically21:55 Keeping one foot in clubland22:46 Clubs are the lifeblood of what we do27:17 We’re all still clubbers at heart29:27 Techno at 195bpm30:16 On Keinemusik31:27 Martin Garrix and fireworks32:10 On UKG resurgence34:46 London is the leader35:51 The pros and cons of festivals40:48 Cost of living crisis45:30 Balancing the needs of the artist46:26 Artist integrity48:30 Politics and music52:40 Ticket prices and hidden costs01:02:36 Live bands vs. DJing1:06:45 Fish56Octagon1:08:48 TikTok in the industry1:12:05 Nightmare scenarios Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingWhat does the short-lived Lo-FI House trend of the late 2010s have in common with the subprime mortgage crisis of the previous decade?On this episode with one of the biggest names to emerge from the aforementioned scene we find out.Lo-Fi was very much a 21st Century style of breakout, via Facebook groups and tunes posted to YouTube months before getting signed. But the wiser participants in the scene, including DJ Seinfeld and Ross From Friends, got out early and almost without exception carved out successful careers for themselves.Baltra, a Philly native who got into music after a move to NYC, epitomised that trend. His 2019 album Ted - a tribute to to his late father - was a step outside of the parameters of the scene that had got him noticed, and since then he's established himself as a fixture on the global DJ circuit and one of house music's most interesting producers.We discuss all of that, plus his previous, slightly inauspicious career on Wall Street and his experience working in the sector during the biggest crisis in the industry since the 1929 crash.Get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show05:42 NYC scene13:35 On Lo-Fi House16:18 Bad publicity22:04 Developing scenes27:50 Breaking out of Lo-FI34:09 DJing in New York35:48 Making 'Ted'44:35 Slowed down TikTok tunes46:28 Musical journey 52:36 Studying Finance at NYU01:00:10 Working on Wall Street in 0801:05:30 Getting fired01:11:26 Manipulation and skullduggery on the floor Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingWhat's the link between repetitive beats, wellness, neuroscience, and phones in nightclubs?We discover on this week's episode with someone who has written a very interesting book, 'Music Is Medicine', covering these topics and a lot more besides. Emma Marshall's career in the industry was initially in roles at giants such as CAA & Sony, but the wider story told in the book led her to found Movement is Medicine, a groundbreaking education and research platform that explores how rhythm, BPM, and tempo influence the body and mind.As well as discussing her personal journey, we cover topics including the reimagining of nightclubs, the significance of repetitive rhythms in societies throughout history, music therapy, as well as the cost of those cameras intruding into the rave. This is a really interesting one... get involved! --If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show05:21 Drum n Bass as first love 12:21 Mystery illness 19:51 Alternative treatments 23:51 PTSD and trauma 24:39 Working with functional medicine 27:12 Hyperthermia 30:36 Frogs as medicine 33:16 Fake shamans 41:14 Finding God 42:55 Music as healing 46:05 On Plague raves 49:21 Observing tribes 51:36 Trance dance 54:43 Vision questing 58:16 Raving is not content 1:00:06 The effect of rhythm on the body 1:02:12 Rhythm as a spectrum 1:05:01 Phones and dancefloors 1:09:06 MDMA the love molecule 1:14:36 Music and sobriety 1:16:48 Changes in consumption habits 1:21:06 Movement is medicine 1:28:06 Parties going underground again 1:33:36 Music as therapy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingDeath In Vegas broke through in the late 90s with a run of albums beginning with 'Dead Elvis', a classic of the era that brought together many of the sonic trends of the not-quite-dancefloor, back to mine side of the dance scene. The new album, Death Mask, is out soon.As a DJ, Richard Fearless has remained a crucial figure throughout. A resident at the Heavenly Social in that late 90s era, he has more recently been running the 'Goo' parties with Daniel Avery in London and across the world. In this conversation we cover Richard's leadup to the point of breaking through with debut single 'Opium Shuffle', growing up in apartheid-era Africa, as well as the classic period of hedonism at clubs like Turnmills and across the world. And we also get the positive case for dance music in 2025. Richard is a highly engaging guy with some great stories... you're going to love this one!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro04:50 Self-releasing music09:40 The first album12:30 Growing up in Africa15:20 Working at Reckless records17:30 Changing habits of digging23:00 Techno the sound of Detroit26:40 Back to mine ideology28:05 Andrew Weatherall34:32 Acid House43:54 Fame, success and getting dropped49:38 Oasis, back to school and New York58:05 Studio gear and the creative process01:05:30 Supporting Nine Inch Nails01:10:15 London as an engine01:14:34 Starting a night with Daniel Avery01:20:55 Running a label01:25:24 Reasons to be optimistic Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingEveryone loves a bit of nostalgia, but can you be too retro? And what do you need to do to take a classic piece of art and update it into something new?These questions are addressed on this week's episode, in which we welcome arguably the most important producer in the new wave of Jungle that has caught the imagination of so many people over the past few years.We also discuss the broader Jungle/DnB scene today, and how the various parts of it fit together, as well as Tim's personal pathway from first hearing an Andy C cd at school in the mid 2000s to his current position.And we also discuss his label, Future Retro, and the changing tactics and strategies required to be successful in today's landscape.Get involved!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show05:00 Can you be too retro?06:18 Being the new torchbearer for Jungle12:30 Jungle in the wider world of DnB17:30 The role of Internet Forums27:26 Learning to use FL Studio39:00 Getting into DJing 43:45 Digital vs vinyl52:25 Functional music55:00 Future Retro the label01:06:00 The modern Jungle audience01:12:30 Storytelling in Music Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingTrain Wrecks is a podcast hosted by this week's guest that has been going since 2016. Even taking into account a few breaks along the way, that makes it (by our calculations) the longest running piece of alternative media in the electronic music space. So it's great to welcome Dustin Zahn to Music Not Diving for an episode that will be going up on both feeds.Dustin has a wealth of experience in techno, having released extensively as well as running his Enemy Records label. But his interest in music goes beyond that, and we discuss a wide range of issues concerning the scene today and the historic context of rave in the US.We also discuss whether counterculture is back in fashion, the political nature of rave, the cyclical nature of the music, and the current golden age of standup comedy.This is a good one!--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to www.ac55id.com to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace, a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!--Watch the full video version of this episode over at youtube.com/@WeNotDivingElijah is one of the deepest thinkers in underground culture. Having first come to prominence in the second wave of Grime along with Skilliam and their label Butterz, and as an artist manager to UK DJ Flava D amongst others, he has reinvented himself in recent years with the Yellow Squares project which seeks to encourage debate around the changing nature of the UK music scene.His appearance on episode 41 of the audio-only predecessor of this show (link below) was one of the most popular and best episodes, so it's great to welcome him back for a full video episode.The Yellow Squares project is now a book which you can get hold of here: https://velocitypress.uk/product/elijah-close-the-app-make-the-ting/We discuss the changing landscape of the UK music scene, from the decline of music's audibility generally in London itself to the obligation (or not) of successful acts to support smaller venues. We also discuss the push for diversity in recent years and associated trap of tokenism, as well as the changing role of artist management over time and the obsession of Xtra radio programmers with a particular 20 year-old Joe Budden track.And we also touch on the cultural influence of professional wrestling and the need for more heels in music...--If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlistChapters:00:00 Intro and how you can support the show07:30 Yellow Squares project phase 211:53 Not enough UK festival headliners13:47 'We're a small nation of old people'18:50 The need to do things differently21:30 DJ AG is the most important DJ in the UK25:55 Keep London loud32:10 Should big DJs play in small clubs?34:16 Black British music on vinyl31:30 Corporate sell outs46:10 Diversity of the money54:00 Public speaking gigs59:20 The changing role of artist managers01:09:50 The problem with 1Xtra radio programming01:17:25 The role of the BBC in music01:19:40 Peak authenticity: kayfabe and UK music Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.