Michael Covel's Trend Following

My guests today are Alex Tabarrok and David Nott. Tabarrok is the co-author of the Marginal Revolution website. He's an economist at Covel's alma mater, George Mason University. Nott is the president of The Reason Foundation–an organization that is all about free minds and free markets. The topic is libertarianism. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Covel and Tabarrok discuss China and the importance of teaching Chinese to American children; the greatest anti-poverty program in the world; the difficulty of improving the infrastructure of the United States; regulation and innovation; interest groups; benevolent dictators; the need for a democracy in an information age; innovation in the current American education system; why the American education system is focused on getting you to work for the man; women in the American education system; innovation, intellectual property and patents; the cumulative properties of innovation; grounds for optimism in the United States when it comes to innovation; how George Mason University became a libertarian economist hotspot; if Europe is following the path of Japan; why the European monetary union was a mistake; and why travel can create optimism. Covel and Nott discuss The Reason Foundation and what it means to be a libertarian today; how Nott explains being a libertarian to people; how the actor and comedian Drew Carey came to be involved with The Reason Foundation; finding the optimism to stay focused on swaying people to the founding principles of our country; politics in China; the 2008 financial crisis, state control, and Reason's response to the bailouts; common sense notions; pension reform; drug policy reform; the cultural policies surrounding prohibition; expanding the idea of liberty to younger people; Vernon Smith and Walter Williams. Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guests today are Frank Curzio of Stansberry & Associates and Robin Griffiths, the Chief Technical Strategist at ECU and formerly at HSBC. The topic is markets. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Covel and Curzio discuss how the fundamental guys justify all time highs in the equity market; the Shiller PE ratio; the importance of analyzing interest rates; Warren Buffett recent investments; what the Fed would do if we went down 30% today; why having a low interest rate environment creates a good situation for stocks; being prepared from a risk management perspective; Zero Interest Rate Policy, its effect on equities and bonds, and tail risk; comparing the environment today to the 1987 crash; hypothetical situations surrounding the S&P 500; exit strategies; and the 24-hour news cycle. Covel and Griffiths discuss how to use fundamentals in an age when interest rates are artificially controlled; Griffiths' history as a mechanical engineer and how he found his way into trading and technical analysis; regression analysis; Elliott Wave and cycles; the idea of whipsaws; geopolitical risks; China, India, and the rise of Asia; not trading off of geopolitical fundamental information; how Griffiths came to the conclusion that the efficient market hypothesis and much of what the mutual fund industry depends on doesn't hold water; spikes and why people in 2014 think that all spikes are gone; Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay and the cyclical nature of booms and busts; and virtual currencies. Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Toby Crabel, a tennis player who is now a commodities trader. In 2005, the Financial Times called Crabel "the most well-known trader on the counter-trend side". The topic is commodity trading. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Crabel's history as a pro tennis player Longevity and consistency in tennis and trading Where Crabel stands with the total number of systems he employs The source of Crabel's profits and the philosophy behind it Price action Winning and losing volatility Why Crabel needs price movement and volume The idea of price shocks and the importance of being aware of them The process of moving from high drawdowns to a much lower drawdown The importance of diversity Early lightbulb moments that informed Crabel's trading style Crabel's experience with Victor Niederhoffer How the philosophy of Objectivism has informed Crabel's life The liquidity of futures markets The importance of persistence Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Alex Greyserman, Chief Scientist at managed futures firm ISAM. He is also a professor at Columbia University. He is a member of the ISAM Systematic Investment Committee. He has 25 years of experience in the Managed Futures industry, having starting initially as Research Director at Mint Investment Management Co. The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Idea of young college graduates writing articles about the death of trend following while firms like Greyserman's continue to have tremendous success Alternatives to thinking only 'long stocks' Greyserman's first meeting with Larry Hite and how they have come to have such a career together Why trend following is about more than getting on the right side of the S&P trade The difference between cross-sectional momentum and time series momentum The phrase "crisis alpha" and why trend following does well in times of crisis The cost of not having trend following in your portfolio Benchmarking and diversification Why the worst thing you can do is "trend follow a trend follower" The science of trend following Speculation Trend following your life–not just the markets Dispersion among trend following traders Effect of a higher rate environment Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Anthony Todd, the CEO of Aspect Capital, one of the most successful managed futures trend following firms. Todd co-founded Aspect in September 1997. Before that, he was with AHL. The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Why prices aren't random Finding an inefficiency that the academic financial community refuses to acknowledge The idea of "predictable" patterns in the market The desire to know static positions How crowd behavior drives trends Addressing misconceptions Using fundamentals in a systematic way Defining Todd's medium-term style of trend following Why "it's less about the genius of the trade and more about the repeatability of the approach" How long you can be in a particular market before you give up on it Client understanding of trend following drawdowns The phraseology of "crisis alpha" The culture that Todd has built at Aspect Todd's advice to young entrepreneurs. Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Jason Fried, the co-founder and President of 37signals, a privately-held Chicago-based company committed to building the best web-based tools possible with the least number of features necessary. The topic is his book Rework. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: The first dollar Fried made online and other formative experiences Keeping business simple Making something more valuable than the dollars people give you The intimacy of exchanging money The idea of doing less than your competitors to beat them Building an audience The "real world" Why an MBA program might not teach you much about entrepreneurism Corporate structure Focusing on what will not change Zen and the moment of right now Not focusing too far into the future Fried's experience with Jeff Bezos Idea of improvisation or "winging it" in business Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Roland Austrup, the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Investment Officer at Integrated managed Futures, part of the IAM group out of Canada. Austrup's firm comes at trading from a slightly different perspective: very systematic, but also using fundamentals systematically. The topic is trading. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How Austrup got started in the industry, and whether he was always a "quant" thinker Early experiences with Ed Seykota Whether Austrup uses a systematic use of fundamentals or a discretionary use of fundamentals Why systematic can be frightening to certain people Managing risk and the return to risk profile Why Austrup targets a downside volatility of 13% Why "the returns will take care of themselves" if you manage risk correctly Trading trends and not market noise Being on the right side of a trend The phrase "equity-like returns" Reviewing trend following performance in recent years Why Austrup's strategy is not based on prediction The importance of a broadly diversified portfolio Lack of correlation to traditional long-only equities strategies The current low rate environment Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Kathryn Kaminski, the deputy managing director the institute for financial research (SIFR) Stockholm Sweden. She's also a contributor to CME Group. She earned her PhD at the MIT Sloan School of Management. At the MIT Laboratory for Financial Engineering, she conducted research on financial heuristics in collaboration with Professor Andrew W. Lo. Her new book, with Alex Greyserman, is "Trend Following with Managed Futures: The Search for Crisis Alpha." The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Survivorship bias Kaminski's background and upbringing Convergent risk-taking strategies and divergent risk-taking strategies Social networking as an example of risk Apple as an example of convergent/divergent The importance of failure The efficient market hypothesis, the idea that trend following is "voodoo", and the lack of transparency in trend following Critics of trend following Kaminski's "ah-ha" moment with trend following Why trend following works in times of crisis The adaptive markets hypothesis Looking at markets like ecologies Divergence and "punctured equilibrium" The process of going back 800 years analyzing trend following The idea of black boxes The acceptance of trend following Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Vineer Bhansali, the managing director and portfolio manager at PIMCO. His most recent book is "Tail Risk Hedging". He has 24 years of investment experience and holds a Ph.D. in theoretical particle physics from Harvard University. The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: "Trend Following Through The Rates Cycle" Trend following in the classical sense How trend following started to become part of the discussion at PIMCO Introducing new ideas to PIMCO, corporate culture, and to clients The three hypotheses tested in "Trend Following Through The Rates Cycle" Currency trading and trend following returns Why larger trend following shops may have trouble getting into smaller markets Trend following across a diversified portfolio and classical trend following approaches Connecting Bhansali's hobbies to the quantitative world Structure and thinking in terms of code Imagining and building simulations Being distribution aware Why being at all-time highs is not the time to feel satisfied Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guests today are Joey Reiman and John Brenkus. Reiman, who runs Brighthouse, has been called the "father of ideation". He's emerged as the subject matter expert in the area of purpose inspired leadership, marketing, and innovation. His breakthrough purpose methodology and frameworks have been adopted by the likes of the Boston Consulting Group, Procter & Gamble, The Coca-Cola Company, McDonald's, KPMG, and many other Fortune 500 companies across the globe. As an adjunct professor at the Goizueta School of Business at Emory University, he teaches tomorrow's executives his revolutionary theories and applications for purpose-inspired profit. Brenkus is the host of the ESPN show, Sport Science. Sport Science is an ongoing television series that explores the science and engineering underlying athletic endeavors. The topics are marketing and sports science. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Covel and Reiman discuss Reiman's background and mission in life; looking for meaning; figuring out your "why"; the process of teaching, and the areas where certain people may get tripped up; looking back to your beginnings; the destructiveness of outside voices; calmness and contemplation; solitude vs. aloneness; "money doesn't create ideas–ideas create money"; why daydreaming isn't necessarily a bad thing; creativity and environments; changing the world through changing your routine; routine and creativity; thinking with your heart as much as your mind; Apple vs. Google; raw talent, creativity, and environment; lucky people and "yes" people; the power of "slow"; and the importance of storytelling. Anything about statistics and science has the potential to inspire Covel and with John Brenkus, he goes straight into it; Also discussed: what triggered the science and sports connection in Brenkus' brain; science and martial arts; measuring human performance; why success doesn't follow a straight line; Brenkus' college experiences and how they are relevant to his work today; the idea of physical limits being reached; why Brenkus became a crash test dummy; the advantage of applying science to any aspect of life; and the Iron Man competition. Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Mark Broadie, the Carson Family Professor of Business and Vice Dean at the Columbia Business School. His research focuses on quantitative finance and sports analytics. His golf research has appeared in academic journals and many golf publications. He developed the new strokes gained approach to analyze the performance of amateur and professional golfers and worked with the PGA Tour on their implementation of the strokes gained putting stat. The topic is his book Every Shot Counts: Using the Revolutionary Strokes Gained Approach to Improve Your Golf Performance and Strategy. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How he became, in Covel's words, the "Bill James of golf" How Broadie connected his finance work to the sport of golf Why certain golfers win Why approach shots are the most important "Drive for show, putt for dough" How Broadie started, the software he used, and how he got better data Whether Broadie had any sense of where the data might go when he first collected it Power as a separator The connection between sports analytics, business analytics, and investing The psychology of golf First putts vs. second putts The world golf rankings, and how these can be fixed Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Larry Swedroe, a Buckingham Asset Management principal. He is also a principal and co-founder of BAM Advisor Services, LLC, and serves as the director of research for both entities. Swedroe has authored or co-authored fourteen books and comes at investing from an evidence-based approach. The topic is outside the box market perspectives. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Forecasters and prediction The three types of forecasters Confirmation bias How your political affiliation might change your willingness to listen to forecasts Value perspective vs. momentum perspective The anomaly of momentum The evidence-based thinking approach Momentum trading in 2008 How Swedroe prepares for the unexpected Not treating the unlikely like it's impossible Managing your risk Process vs. outcome The equity risk premium and bear markets Commonplace crises Planning ahead Diversification attempts to get outside of equities Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue A Million Words and Justifications with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Richard Lewis, a cross-cultural expert who has been studying language and communication his entire career. He's traveled to 130+ countries and speaks eleven different languages. The topics are his books When Cultures Collide: Leading Across Cultures and When Teams Collide: Managing the International Team Successfully. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How Lewis' love affair with language started The best way to start learning a language Travel as a "magic elixir" of sorts The Lewis model Cultural differences in language, and what Lewis means by linear-active, multi-active, and reactive The idea of losing face in the context of cross-cultural communication Microculture and macroculture Cross-cultural teams vs. homogenous teams Normal and abnormal in a cultural context Paperwork and punctuality in different cultures Why the linear-active person confronts with logic, the multi-active person confronts emotionally, and the reactive person is never confronting Why there's much more to making a deal than just quantity and price Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Joel Mokyr, an economic historian at Northwestern University. He focuses on technological progress, and how it affects growth. From Mokyr's perspective, we haven't seen anything yet. He's not trying to predict what will happen next; he's just confident and ready that big things will continue to happen. The topic is technology. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Define technology The notion of playing God with technology How technology and economic growth are intertwined Why screwing up is part of technology The acceleration of technology New ways of measuring growth Anesthesia and antibiotics as technologies and imagining new technologies as revolutionary as them Moving from a wheat and steel economy into an information economy The factory, the separation between firm and household, and the Industrial Revolution The death of distance Why technology is often not reflected in the GDP Solving the language barrier through technology Why the global acceptance of the English language is driven by technology Why innovation isn't natural to us The declining respect of the writings of previous generations Why the median age will continue to increase Why we are moving into a mass-customization society Changes in material science The best way to think about the future Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Guy Kawasaki. For those of you that pay attention to being an entrepreneur, Kawasaki's books have been invaluable over the last decade. Currently, he is the chief evangelist of Canva, an online graphic design tool. Formerly, he was an advisor to the Motorola business unit of Google and chief evangelist of Apple. The topic is entrepreneur. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Why being a consultant or an investment banker are two of the worst first jobs you can get Working in sales, and Kawasaki's early experience in the jewelry business Some of the most valuable attributes of a good salesman Marketing, social media, and why you'd want to have a rabid fan with fifteen followers rather than just another blurb on the back of your book from the so-called big name Why a book review in The New York Times isn't as important as it used to be The Amazon and Hachette conflict, and why Amazon is still the best thing to happen to authors in a long time The two types of people in the world–baker vs. eater How Kawasaki manages his time Looking at your social media presence as core to your existence Disruptive high growth opportunities Introversion and getting better at standing on stage Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Rande Howell. Howell has a therapeutic background combined with personal coaching in the fields of human potential and leadership. He has fifteen years of practice as a licensed professional counselor with a Masters in Counseling. The topic is counseling. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: What the performance mind is in regards to trading Trading, emotions, and uncertainty Why irrational pessimism is deadly in trading Emotional regulation and mastering emotions The blurry line between the casino and trading, particularly in Asia Euphoria vs. fear in a trading context Why what you're afraid of owns you Jungian archetypes The Myers-Briggs instrument Biological threat vs. psychological discomfort The mistake of using trading to measure your worth Getting your emotions right but your strategy wrong Why success in one endeavor doesn't necessarily mean success in trading The importance of patience The panther vs. the African lion Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue The Health and Longevity Episode with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue The S&P 500 Trading System with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Laurie Santos, a professor of psychology and cognitive sciences at Yale University. Her research explores the evolutionary origins of the human mind by comparing the cognitive abilities of human and non-human primates. Santos is able to look at monkeys and their behavior in markets and money, and see the similarities with humans. The topic is cognitive abilities. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Santos' early "ah-ha" moments Teaching monkeys about currencies Whether the monkey economy is as irrational as ours The endowment effect How monkeys' behavior in markets quantitatively matches human behavior Whether some monkeys took to the experimental economy better than others Mistakes and predictable errors Why humans might be uniquely irrational when it comes to enjoying what we pay more for Vernon Smith's work Relationships between Santos' work and the financial crisis of 2008 Bubbles, monkeys, and Daniel Kahneman The "G.I. Joe fallacy" Why we have trouble accepting cognitive limitations rather than our biological limitations Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Robert Aumann, the fourth Nobel Prize winner to appear on this podcast. Aumann is an Israeli-American mathematician, and a member of the United States National Academy of Sciences. He is a professor at the Center for the Study of Rationality in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel. The topic is game theory. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Conflict and cooperation through game theory analysis World via his game theory perspective Meeting John Nash and Aumann's early background What game theory is trying to accomplish The economic definition of rationality The idea of a strategy matrix The world champions of peace and the best way to maintain peace The 2008-09 bailouts from Aumann's perspective and a game theory outlook Behavioral economics Game theory, diplomats, and the Cuban Missile Crisis The existence of nuclear weapons and the Cold War Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Gregory Morris, the Sr. Vice President, Chief Technical Analyst, and Chairman of the Investment Committee for Stadion Money Management, LLC. He also serves as the chairman of the Station Trust Board. In this capacity Greg educates institutional and individual clients on the merits of technical analysis and why Stadion utilizes a technical rules-based model. Greg oversees the management of over $5.5 Billion in assets in six mutual funds, separate accounts, and retirement plans. The topic is his book Investing with the Trend: A Rules-based Approach to Money Management. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Morris' history as a US Navy fighter pilot The checklist and how foundational it is to trading How Morris had his first exposure and understanding of technical analysis Russian Roulette and trading Risk vs. uncertainty Process and predictions Having a set of daily actions Learning lessons through failure Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Dennis Gartman, the editor and publisher of The Gartman Letter. Gartman appears on CNBC, ROB-TV and Bloomberg television, discussing commodities and the capital markets, and speaks before various associations and trade groups around the world. The topic is outside the box market perspectives. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How Gartman first got started Chicago trading in the late 70's to the mid 80's Why you should never add to a losing position Buying strength and selling weakness Systems from Gartman's perspective, and keeping your systems simple Being patient with winning trades and impatient with losers Gartman's daily grind and process Mass psychology, efficient markets, and behavioral economics Gartman's thoughts on the market today and geopolitical events How we hear about geopolitical events today compared to the past Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue Misinformed View On Trend Following with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Leo Melamed, a pioneer of financial futures, currencies, and stock indexes. Melamed became Chairman of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange in 1969. In 1972, under his leadership, the CME created the International Monetary Market (IMM), the world's first financial futures exchange, and launched currency futures. He is currently Chairman Emeritus of CME Group (formerly the Chicago Mercantile Exchange). The topic is his book Leo Melamed: Escape to the Futures. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Overcoming odds China's futures markets The middle class in China Melamed's experience meeting Milton Friedman and some of the lessons learned Melamed's early experiences escaping Nazi-controlled Poland, and eventually going to work for Merrill Lynch Stock futures The importance of speculation Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is John H. Cochrane, the AQR Capital Management Distinguished Service Professor of Finance at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. The topic is Chicago school economics. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Warren Buffett's quote that he "would have made a fortune" if the banks weren't bailed out Crony capitalism Why "a good Bear failure may have saved us from a bad Lehman failure" The cost of regulation Uber, taxi service, and regulation Why commodities keep getting cheaper and cheaper, but people with expertise keep getting more and more expensive The idea of discretion Healthcare Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Meir Statman, the Glenn Klimek Professor of Finance at the Leavey School of Business, Santa Clara University. His research focuses on behavioral finance. He attempts to understand how investors and managers make financial decisions and how these decisions are reflected in financial markets. Meir's latest book, "Finance for Normal People: How Investors and Markets behave" has been published by Oxford University Press. The topic is his book What Investors Really Want: Know What Drives Investor Behavior and Make Smarter Financial Decisions. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How we make decisions, and how these decisions are reflected in markets What investors want besides the utilitarian aspect of money Philanthropy and status Why Madoff's clients' own greed helped them fall into a trap Envy and happiness The fear of losing and the fear of missing out Mental accounting Statman's drivers and early influences Libertarianism vs. paternalism Social Security and mandatory retirement savings Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Terry Burnham, an economist who studies the biological and evolutionary basis of human behavior. He has a Ph.D. in Business Economics from Harvard University, a Masters from the MIT Sloan School with a concentration in finance. Terry was a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School, the University of Michigan, and the Harvard Business School. His non-academic experiences include working briefly for Goldman, Sachs & Co., being the chief financial officer for Progenics Pharmaceuticals , a start-up biotechnology company, and being the director of portfolio management for Acadian Asset Management, a quantitative equity manager. The topic is his book Mean Markets and Lizard Brains: How to Profit from the New Science of Irrationality. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Burnham removed $1 million from his Bank of America account and said "I don't trust the banks" The two ways to think about risk Separating the ideas of luck and skill The lizard brain and how it relates back to our choices A story about interacting with Paul Tudor Jones Why markets have momentum The great driver of conformity Rationality and irrationality Captive chimps vs. chimps in the wild and the differences in behavior Predicting when the Fed will step in Thinking of the worst case scenario for equities and looking to Japan for an example Negative interest rates Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Andy Puddicombe, the founder of Headspace, an award-winning digital health platform that provides guided meditation sessions. Puddicombe is a former Buddhist monk with a degree in Circus Arts. The topic is meditation. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Puddicombe's background and how he came into the position he is in today Some traumatic events which may have had an influence on Puddicombe's decision to become a monk Covel's own meditation experience Comparing mindfulness and meditation The importance of a daily practice Stress and the science behind meditation Neuroplasticity The wandering mind and unhappiness The idea of the present moment, and how traders that embrace the present moment have an advantage Intuition Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Sally Hogshead, a New York Times bestselling author, National Speakers Association Hall of Fame speaker, chief executive officer of How to Fascinate (Fascinate, Inc) and a former advertising executive. The topic is her book How The World Sees You: Discover Your Highest Value Through The Science of Fascination. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Fascination and paying attention The seven different categories of things that fascinate us What those who fascinate have in common Developing a personality assessment that shows how the world sees you Understanding your own personal branding Analyzing Michael Covel's own fascination survey Not being a commodity Why if you're not generating a negative reaction from someone, you're probably not fascinating anyone Why you don't want to be vanilla ice cream Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Bucky Isaacson, one of the early pioneers of managed futures. In 1969, he helped to develop one of the first computerized trading systems. He's been involved in the managed futures industry ever since, particularly in Asia and the US. The topic is managed futures. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Fractured state of conferences these days What it was like to be involved with a group developing a computerized trading system in 1969 Being with one of the earliest incarnations of a managed futures firm Trading attitudes Marketing and doing business in Asia Differences in business practices between Asian countries Refco, MF Global, PFG and other aberrations that have damaged the Chicago futures brand Madoff as a marketer Raising the initial capital to start a trading venture How to differentiate yourself from a marketing perspective Growth in the managed futures industry Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Megan McArdle, a Bloomberg View columnist who writes on economics, business and public policy. She founded the blog "Asymmetrical Information". The topic is her book The Up Side of Down: Why Failing Well Is the Key to Success. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: "Trophy kids" and taking the monkey bars away The idea of a regulator out there trying to guarantee our safety Why the companies that make it aren't the ones with the best strategic plan–it's the ones that execute (and fail well) The power of experimentation Nobel winner Vernon Smith and experimentation The idea of learning in crisis How sunk costs are difficult for a large part of the population to grasp Van Halen, errors, and M&M's Normative error Small, manageable risks Forager morality vs. farmer morality A story about Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Cullen Roche, the founder of Orcam Financial Group, a financial services company based out of San Diego. He also runs a very well-known blog called Pragmatic Capitalism (pragcap.com). The topic is his book Pragmatic Capitalism: What Every Investor Needs to Know About Money and Finance. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Entrepreneurism Investing in yourself The advantages of starting a blog Why the word "pragmatic" is a word that has become central to Roche's universe Eliminating your biases Why the US going bankrupt is a myth The myth that central banks exist to enrich bankers Dr. Laurie Santos and her work with monkeys Bringing risk down to something we can measure Warren Buffett Hedging your bets Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Mike Harris, the President of Campbell & Company (3B+ AUM), the systematic trading firm started by Keith Campbell (Campbell was featured in Covel's first book Trend Following). The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Systematic trading in the early 70's Education about managed futures Correlation with other markets and managers Trading diverse markets Focusing on data rather than the fundamentals Why "commodities" and "CTA" are misnomers Why Harris wouldn't fly down to Brazil to investigate fundamental information on the coffee market Risk management, drawdowns, and taking small losses; dealing with uncertainty and helping clients to understand the uncertain nature of trading How human emotion often gets in the way of profitable trading The efficient market hypothesis and behavioral finance Continuity and how that has been thought through at Campbell & Company The Sharpe ratio and why it isn't the best way to look at systematic traders Why being defensive is central to being a great absolute return trader Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Tyler Cowen, an American economist, columnist and blogger. He is a professor at George Mason University, where he holds the Holbert L. Harris chair in the economics department. He hosts the economics blog Marginal Revolution, together with co-author Alex Tabarrok. The topic is economics. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Sabermetrics and the new idea that we will be judged by numbers Cowen's early experience studying under Nobel Prize winner Thomas Schelling The notion of thinking in terms of paradoxes Why we're moving from the 1% to the 15% "Average is over" and why Singapore and Israel are the two places in the world where this has come true first Problems because of "average is over" in Singapore Pure free markets Thinking about why past regulations have failed How computers change us Globalization, where things are headed, and what we should be prepared for Zero marginal product workers Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is William Poundstone, an American author, columnist, and skeptic. He has written a number of books including the Big Secrets series and a biography of Carl Sagan. The topic is his book Fortune's Formula: The Untold Story of the Scientific Betting System That Beat the Casinos and Wall Street. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Claude Shannon The connection between Al Capone The Kelly formula, bookmaking, and the telephone industry Bell Labs and information theory Why, when betting, if there's a small chance of losing everything, you will eventually lose everything Criticisms of the Kelly criterion Ed Thorp, blackjack, and card counting Long-Term Capital Management Martingale vs. Kelly Early development of the Black-Scholes formula Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Perry Kaufman, an American systematic trader, index developer, and quantitative financial theorist. He is considered a leading expert in the development of fully algorithmic trading programs. The topic is systematic trading. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How Kaufman came to the idea of 100% algorithmic trading systems The difference between being systematic and being automated Optimization vs. validation The biggest advantages of testing Why discretion is not part of Kaufman's toolbox The problem of tail events Why discipline is the most important characteristic of a systematic trader The "loose pants fit everyone" philosophy Preparing yourself for uncertainty Comparisons between risk management and risk measurement The Sharpe ratio High volatility trades vs. low volatility Why Kaufman places equal weight on both risk management and the underlying system Systematic trading in established mature markets vs. emerging markets Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Ben Hunt, the Chief Risk Officer at Salient Partners. Salient is a 19B AUM manager based in Houston, Texas. As Chief Risk Officer, Hunt writes the Epsilon Theory, viewing capital markets through the lenses of game theory and history. The topic is Epsilon Theory. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Power of the crowd watching the crowd Game theory Having a profound agnosticism about what the future holds The difference between risk and uncertainty in the context of game theory The Panopticon and the chilling effect of being watched The "common knowledge game" and the missionary The island of the green-eyed tribe Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Andrew Huszar, a Senior Fellow at Rutgers Business School and also a former Morgan Stanley managing director. In 2009, he managed the Federal Reserve's 1.25 trillion dollar mortgage-backed security purchase program. The topic is the direction of the Federal Reserve. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Looking at the short term Black swans Huszar's history and how he came to work for the Federal Reserve The changing of the banking model in the US from the 1980's to the late 2000's Quantitative easing Why Huszar ultimately left the Fed at the beginning of 2011 How the Fed has become over five times bigger in recent history The current source of Wall Street money The idea of an overly financialized US economy The need for long-term structural changes in the US Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guests today are Hersh Shefrin and Arvid Hoffmann. Hersh Shefrin has done pioneering work in behavioral finance and is the author of Beyond Greed and Fear. Hoffmann is a colleague of Shefrin. He is a Professor of Finance at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. The topic is their paper, Technical Analysis and Individual Investors. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Covel and Shefrin discuss how Shefrin came to know that behavioral finance was his path; the two-system framework; the connection to behavioral and eating disorders; the disposition effect; when emotion and reason are in conflict; "transferring your assets" vs. "selling a loss"; distinguishing between rules and discretion; how we stick with rules for ourselves given the context of our humanity; the psychological pitfalls of the 2008 financial crisis; the inevitability of market crises; Minsky and Keynes; the psychology of Keynesian economics; and human ideas surrounding uncertainty. With Arvid Hoffmann, Covel discusses the paper Technical Analysis and Individual Investors; the inspiration for the paper; Hoffmann's definition of technical analysis; the narrow focus of the paper to short-term trading; technical analysis and trend following; "invest as if the market was efficient", and "restrict your attempts to beat the market" Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue An Agenda Or An Acting Job with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Mark Miller, an American computer scientist. He is known for his work as one of the participants in the 1979 hypertext project known as Project Xanadu; for inventing Miller columns; and the open-source coordinator of the E programming language. He also designed the Caja compiler. Miller is a Senior Research Fellow at the Foresight Institute. The topic is computer science. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Property rights Hernando de Soto Bitcoin and digital trust "Smart contracts" Why a contract is like a board game Game theory 3rd World infrastructure How program code can become a contract A closer look at "possession is nine-tenths of the law" Whether the Turing Test was just passed Defining the term "singularity", and the multiple singularities of the past A.I. and nanotechnology How Miller's work relates to markets The history of hypertext Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Van Tharp, Tharp runs the Van Tharp Institute and is the author of four acclaimed books published by McGraw Hill: Super Trader, Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom, Safe Strategies for Financial Freedom, and Financial Freedom Through Electronic Day Trading. He was also featured in Jack Schwager's Market Wizard's: Interviews with Great Traders. Van Tharp received his Ph.D. in psychology, is a certified Master Practitioner of Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP), a Certified Master Time Line Therapist, a certified Modeler of NLP, and an Assistant Trainer of NLP. He has used his expertise in NLP to create the successful models of trading and investing upon which so much of his work is based. The topic is his book Trading Beyond the Matrix: The Red Pill for Traders and Investors. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Beliefs in the context of trading and investing The moment of now, and the Navajo's belief of a never-ending present The belief examination paradigm "Big money" and what it means to Van Tharp The idea of "trader jail" Fear of the unknown The importance of sleep The difference between spirituality and religion Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is David Ryan. Ryan was famously first featured in Jack Schwager's "Market Wizards" book. Ryan has been the U.S. Investing Champion for 3 times and also worked for William O'Neil. The topic is market wizards strategies. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How Ryan got his start walking up to the front door of O'Neil's offices How Ryan would describe his approach to trading today CAN SLIM trading, and buying the breakout vs. buying the dip Enjoying trading without clients Some good CAN SLIM winners in the past two to three years from Ryan's perspective Big picture-wise, the max loss that Ryan is willing to take on a position The type of winning percentages that Ryan really sees The uneasiness about the overall market system since the 2008 financial crisis and how Ryan looks at how the situation has unfolded High frequency trading How the market can be humbling; and getting your ego out of the market Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Jerry Parker, an original Turtle, trained by Richard Dennis. However, since then he has very successfully run a managed money firm called Chesapeake Capital. The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Mean reversion trading What the definition of momentum trading is compared to trend following Why "good enough" is more rigorous than any metric How the intervention of the Fed has broken up trends and made volatility drop in markets How the idea of uncertainty and talking in probabilities makes people uncomfortable The difference between managed futures and trend following Why buy and hold is predicated on trust of the Fed Why trend followers don't look to "beat" the market Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Walter Williams, an American economist, commentator, and academic. He is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, as well as a syndicated columnist and author known for his libertarian views. The topics are liberty and economics. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Why Williams calls himself a radical The morality of markets The welfare state and bailouts How Williams didn't "think poor" growing up The nefarious aspect of minimum wage How Williams stayed positive and avoided bitterness despite opposition Malcolm X. and Martin Luther King, Jr. Why there's no poverty in the United States How Williams felt about the Fall of 2008 and the bailouts that took place How we got to the point where people want to trust the state so much How Williams has developed a thick skin to deal with the criticism of his radical nature Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is John Mauldin, a noted financial expert, a New York Times best-selling author, a pioneering online commentator, and the publisher of one of the most widely read investment newsletters in the world. The topic is finance. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Credit card rates and zero interest rate policy The improper use of credit Debt spirals Central bank policies that keep whipsaw periods going The actions in Japan and how they can spread across the world The justifications that Mauldin sees behind the scenes Black swans and boom-bust periods How the 2008 financial crisis wasn't a true black swan event The "why" behind zero interest rate policy The specter of Keynesianism over the world Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Jean-Philippe Bouchaud, the Chairman of the multi-strategy quantitative hedge fund Capital Fund Management (5B+ AUM) and co-supervisor of the research team. He is a well known authority in the field of Econophysics, co-author of "Theory of Financial Risks and Derivative Pricing", a Professor of École Polytechnique where he teaches Complex Systems and has his Ph.D in theoretical physics from École Normale Supérieure. The topic is Trend Following. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: Bouchaud's physics background and how it collided with the world of classical economics The Black-Scholes model, and its still use; experimenting with simulation Bouchaud and his colleague's paper, "Two Centuries of Trend Following" The efficient market hypothesis Why the existence of trends is one of the most statistically significant anomalies in financial markets How trends predate trend following Why classical economics has no framework through which to understand "wild markets" Benign randomness vs. wild randomness Accepting uncertainty Differences between physicists and economists Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

Please enjoy my monologue A Cult-Like Indoctrination with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio. This episode may also include great outside guests from my archive. --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!

My guest today is Nir Eyal, an educator, author, and entrepreneur who is all about connecting psychology, technology, and business. The topic is his book Hooked: How To Build Habit Forming Products. In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss: How behavior and habits can be engineered, and how technology changes our behavior The moral implications of habit forming activities The difference between habits and addictions Breaking "the hook" The four areas that "the hook" goes through: trigger, action, variable reward, and investment The IKEA example and how value can be built Eyal's mentors and influences The importance of social feedback from your community The WhatsApp deal, and how to deal with your "insane jealousy" of the messaging app deal Getting equal pay for equal work, and how that might be embedded in our DNA The importance of interface changes when it comes to revolutionary changes in technology Jump in! --- I'm MICHAEL COVEL, the host of TREND FOLLOWING RADIO, and I'm proud to have delivered 10+ million podcast listens since 2012. Investments, economics, psychology, politics, decision-making, human behavior, entrepreneurship and trend following are all passionately explored and debated on my show. To start? I'd like to give you a great piece of advice you can use in your life and trading journey… cut your losses! You will find much more about that philosophy here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/trend/ You can watch a free video here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/video/ Can't get enough of this episode? You can choose from my thousand plus episodes here: https://www.trendfollowing.com/podcast My social media platforms: Twitter: @covel Facebook: @trendfollowing LinkedIn: @covel Instagram: @mikecovel Hope you enjoy my never-ending podcast conversation!