For Love & Money

EPISODE OVERVIEW Seventy percent. That's the share of Australia's emissions associated with the infrastructure we build and operate — roads, railways, airports, tunnels. And the profession best placed to move that number? Civil engineering. Which also happens to be one of the most conservative industries on the planet. Robin Power is the Chief Executive of Insitutek and the founding Chair of Ground Level Alliance — a volunteer-powered non-profit with a single ambition: to make sustainability a daily practice for the people who design and build our world. He's not a civil engineer by training. He's a manufacturing engineer — which means he sees the industry through a people-and-process lens that most in the sector don't have. And it was that outsider's perspective, combined with a painful experience of losing everything in a failed property venture, that set him on the path to purpose. In this conversation, Robin and Carolyn explore what it really means to use business as a force for good — and what it costs to choose to be a change agent in an industry that doesn't always want to change. THEMES EXPLORED Business as a relationship — and what it means to show up for clients when they're "up against the wall" The painful moment that reframed everything: losing a property business and what emerged from that period of deep reflection Why 70% of Australia's emissions connect back to civil engineering — and why the profession has more power than it realises The London Underground case study: how looking through a carbon lens changed what was possible Ground Level Alliance: building a movement of change with volunteer power and a vision of industry-wide transformation The first follower principle — why change agents need their people, not just their conviction Legacy thinking at 50: what it means to be in your "legacy phase" before you're anywhere near retirement B Corp certification in civil engineering — why most clients don't care, and why Robin does it anyway The Melbourne Business School partnership and what a sustainability course built into "flow of work" could unlock ABOUT ROBIN POWER Chief Executive, Insitutek, and Chair, Ground Level Alliance Robin Power has spent his career pushing boundaries – and encouraging others to do the same. A strategist, educator, and advocate, he brings fresh thinking to civil construction challenges, combining practical experience, theoretical knowledge, and business acumen blended with his manufacturing engineer background. For over 15 years, Robin has partnered with consultants, asset owners, government agencies, contractors, and researchers across Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific to implement modern in situ testing and ground improvement methods that boost construction productivity, reduce costs, improve quality, minimise risk, and lower environmental impact. Robin also champions sustainability as founding chair of Ground Level Alliance. LINKS & RESOURCES Insitutek Ground Level Alliance Click the 'Get Involved' tab to explore how to contribute — from sharing case studies to joining the community. Connect with Robin Robin Power on LinkedIn Mentioned in This Episode B Corp Movement Ground Level Alliance Sustainability in Civil Construction Course (in development, in partnership with Melbourne Business School) Derek Sivers: First Follower — Leadership Lessons from a Dancing Guy (YouTube) Intrepid Travel — intrepidtravel.com ABOUT FOR LOVE & MONEY For Love & Money is the podcast for leaders who believe that profit and purpose belong together. Each episode, host Carolyn Butler-Madden explores the intersection of business performance, human-centred leadership, and meaningful change — through stories of the people who are doing it. Hosted by Carolyn Butler-Madden, founder of The Cause Effect. Subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to podcasts. WORK WITH CAROLYN If this conversation sparked something for you, Carolyn works with leaders and organisations who want to put purpose at the centre of their business. Keynote speaking — carolynbutlermadden.com Purpose-led consulting — thecauseeffect.com.au

Episode Overview What does a performing arts institution have to teach the business world? As it turns out — everything. In this episode, Carolyn speaks with Terri Martin, Head of Corporate at NIDA — the National Institute of Dramatic Art — about why communication is the most underinvested leadership skill in organisations today, and what happens when leaders finally get it right. Terri's journey to this work is anything but conventional. From a mortifying early experience presenting to a major client, to building and leading businesses across marketing, not-for-profit and education, she arrived at NIDA with a uniquely personal understanding of why so many leaders struggle to communicate with clarity and confidence — and what it costs them when they do. Together, Carolyn and Terri explore why communication is far more than the words we choose, how performers' techniques can transform business leaders, and why the ability to inspire, influence and connect is absolutely vital for anyone who wants to lead a movement of change. In This Episode Terri and Carolyn cover a lot of ground, including the three components of communication — words, voice and body — and why most leaders only focus on one. They discuss what actors understand about presence that many leaders don't, why the pause is one of the most powerful tools a communicator has, and how communication misaligned with purpose creates distrust rather than followership. Terri also draws a sharp distinction between performing leadership and truly embodying it, and shares her vision for a future where communication skills are taught in schools. About Terri Martin Terri Martin is a commercial business leader passionate about helping individuals, teams and organisations communicate with clarity, confidence and impact. Terri leads NIDA Corporate Training, the National Institute of Dramatic Art's executive education business. The division works with leading organisations across Australia to develop communication, presentation and leadership capability using NIDA's world-renowned performer-training techniques. Each year, thousands of professionals participate in programs designed to strengthen presence, influence and authentic leadership in the workplace. Before joining NIDA, Terri built and led consultancy businesses, marketing agencies and not-for-profit organisations, and began her career working in marketing and media including at Nickelodeon in London. This mix of commercial and creative experience underpins her strong belief in the power of communication to transform careers, teams and organisations. Terri is an alumna of The Marketing Academy Leadership Program, a mentor for Future Women and previously served as Vice Chair and Non-Executive Director of ADHD Australia. Connect with Terri: On Linkedin Nida corporate website

In this International Women’s Day 2026 special, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with negotiation expert Sam Trattles about women in leadership, pay equity, professional development budgets, and the power of self-advocacy. Together they explore how conviction, craft and courage help leaders confidently ask for what they want — without damaging relationships — and why valuing yourself is a leadership responsibility, not an indulgence. Episode Overview What if balancing the scales doesn’t begin with policy — but with permission? In this International Women’s Day special, I’m joined by Sam Trattles — strategic negotiator, Founder and CEO of Other Side, and author of I Love Negotiating and Negotiate Your Worth. With experience across more than $575 million in negotiations, Sam has built a uniquely Australian methodology called The Power To Ask — helping leaders bridge the gap between knowing and asking. But this conversation isn’t about becoming aggressive or combative. It’s about the long shadow of the “good girl” conditioning. It’s about the hidden cost of not asking. And it’s about why valuing yourself is not indulgent — it’s leadership. Together, we explore: Why so many women were raised to be “seen and not heard” — and how that still shapes behaviour at senior levels The financial, psychological and relational cost of not asking Why simply “doing a good job” rarely results in recognition or reward The myth that negotiation equals conflict The surprising hesitation of senior women to ask for professional development budget And how to structure a confident, strategic ask without blowing up the relationship Sam unpacks her 3Cs framework: Conviction — Do I truly believe what I’m asking for is fair and reasonable? Craft — Have I prepared properly and understood the other perspective? Courage — Am I willing to have the conversation, knowing the outcome may be yes, no or maybe? As Sam reminds us: “We know what we want to ask. We just don’t know how to do it so that we don’t blow up the relationship.” And perhaps most powerfully: “What’s the cost of not asking? That’s got to be greater than asking.” This episode is an invitation — not just to ask for more — but to model what self-advocacy looks like in leadership. Because if we want to balance the scales, perhaps it begins with valuing ourselves — not as an act of ego, but as an act of leadership. About Sam Trattles Sam Trattles CEO-Founder | Strategic Negotiator | Author | Speaker Fear stops people from asking for what they want. Sam Trattles is changing that. She helps leaders overcome the hurdle between knowing and asking. With experience from over $575M in negotiations, Sam created a uniquely Australian methodology, The Power to Ask, taking insights from high-stakes negotiations into practical frameworks for everyday leadership challenges. Author of bestselling books, I Love Negotiating and Negotiate Your Worth, Sam helps leaders find their voice in the moments that matter. It’s not about becoming an aggressive ‘gun-slinger instead, Sam teaches people how to negotiate their way, getting results whilst strengthening relationships. As Founder and CEO of Other Side, Sam transforms powerless moments into acts of conviction, inviting you to confidently embrace the power to ask. Learn more at: thepowertoask.com Links & Resources Sam on Linkedin The Power To Ask Website Take the Assessment If this conversation resonated with you, I’d be so grateful if you left a rating — and, if you have a moment, a short review on your favourite podcast platform. It genuinely makes a difference. Ratings and reviews help more purpose-driven leaders discover these conversations — and grow a community of people who believe business can be a force for good. And if you haven’t already, make sure you’re following or subscribing to the podcast so you don’t miss future episodes. There’s so much more to explore at the intersection of love and money.

The Flexible CEO: Athena Manley on reimagining leadership, life and impact What if the leadership talent businesses need most is hiding in plain sight? In this episode, I’m joined by Athena Manley, founder of The Flexible CEO, to explore a new leadership model connecting underutilised senior leaders with mid-sized organisations — and why reimagining leadership matters for people, performance and society. EPISODE OVERVIEW What happens when someone reaches the centre of corporate power — and decides the traditional leadership path no longer makes sense? Athena is a strategist, advisor and entrepreneur whose career spans senior leadership roles across ASX-listed companies, Fortune 500 organisations and high-growth businesses. Just as she was being positioned for a CEO role, Athena paused to question the model itself — researching the personal, organisational and societal cost of how leadership is typically structured. What she uncovered led her to create The Flexible CEO: a model designed to connect highly experienced, underutilised executives with mid-sized organisations that need senior capability but can’t always access it through traditional pathways. At the heart of this work is a bridge — between boards of mid-sized organisations facing complex growth and transformation challenges, and what Athena calls “hidden superstars”: seasoned leaders whose talent is too often sidelined by outdated assumptions about age, career paths and leadership fit. Athena shares the personal purpose driving this work — improving financial wellbeing and mental health — shaped by her own lived experience and what she witnessed growing up. We also explore the broader social impact of this model, including its potential to address ageism, unlock economic value and create healthier, more sustainable leadership outcomes. In this conversation, Athena reflects on recent milestones — including speaking at Harvard and the United Nations, and the upcoming release of her book The Flexible CEO — and offers practical insights for leaders, boards and organisations curious about how this model could work for them. This is a thoughtful, future-focused conversation about leadership — and what becomes possible when we design work around life, not sacrifice. IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE: Why Athena chose to question the traditional CEO pathway — and what she found when she did The hidden cost of executive leadership on health, family and wellbeing How The Flexible CEO bridges the gap between organisations and “hidden superstar” leaders Age bias, the myth of being “overqualified,” and the talent we are wasting Portfolio careers, flexible leadership models and alternative CEO structures Why purpose isn’t powerful until it becomes personal What reimagining leadership could unlock for business, people and society ABOUT ATHENA MANLEY Athena Manley is a seasoned executive and owner of 3 companies. Across her 20+ year banking & insurance career, Athena has successfully led corporate strategy, distribution, IT, digital, people and culture, and business development in Fortune 500, ASX Top 10 and not-for-profit organisations. Athena completed her MBA at UQ, being awarded the Excellence in Leadership Award, she is also a Harvard Alumnus and member of the AICD. Through her firm The Flexible CEO, Athena empowers businesses to navigate CEO transitions and CEO's and NEDs to transition to flexible portfolio careers. Her mission is to lead and inspire exceptional businesses that improve financial empowerment and mental health in society. LINKS & RESOURCES Athena on Linkedin The Flexible CEO Website Join the next ONLINE MASTERCLASS: Grow and succeed in a portfolio career- for CEOs, NEDs and Executives . Use code VIPCEO for free registration.

Episode Overview What does it look like when a global brand doesn’t just talk about values — but organises around them? In this episode of For Love & Money, I’m joined by Hilary McAllister, Activism Manager at Ben & Jerry’s Australia. Hilary’s path into activism has been anything but linear. Beginning her career in events, she followed a growing concern for climate and environmental justice into grassroots campaigning, co-founding the not-for-profit For Wild Places before stepping into one of the most unusual roles in Australian business — leading activism from inside a global brand. In our conversation, Hilary shares what drew her into purpose-led work, why serendipity and shared values matter more than rigid career plans, and how Ben & Jerry’s approaches climate justice as an always-on commitment rather than a one-off campaign. We explore how activism operates inside the business, what it takes to earn the right to speak on social issues, and why progress is rarely linear — especially when you’re working for long-term systemic change. Hilary also takes us behind the scenes of a major Australian climate campaign, unpacks Ben & Jerry’s mission-lock structure, and reflects on the balance between urgency, hope and personal sustainability when working at the frontlines of climate action. At its heart, this episode is about purpose in action — and what becomes possible when business chooses courage over convenience. In this episode, we explore Hilary’s non-linear journey into activism and purpose-led work Why love does have a role to play in business — depending on how you define success How Ben & Jerry’s embeds climate justice into its Australian strategy What “always-on activism” looks like inside a global brand Why progress in social and environmental change is rarely neat or predictable The importance of community, partnerships and earning the right to speak How individuals can connect everyday climate observations with meaningful action About Hilary McAllister Hilary is based in Gadigal, Sydney, and is the Activism Manager at Ben & Jerry’s Australia. In her role, Hilary leads the strategic development and execution of climate justice campaigns, supporting grassroots campaigners across the country. A dedicated environmentalist, Hilary is also the CEO and co-founder of For Wild Places, a not-for-profit dedicated to protecting wild places under threat. Hilary’s path to activism has been anything but ordinary - shaped by curiosity, conviction, and a deep desire to contribute to lasting, planet-saving change. Links & Resources Hilary McAllister on Linkedin Ben & Jerry's Australia website For Wild Places website Hilary's personal website Ben & Jerry's Double Dip book - how to run a values-led business and make money too Connect with Carolyn/Learn more about her work Speaking website Consulting, Leadership Development & Coaching Linkedin

EPISODE OVERVIEW What responsibility does business have in shaping the kind of country we want to be? In this episode of the For Love & Money Podcast, I’m joined by Sarah Sheridan, Co-Founder and Deputy CEO of Clothing The Gaps — a certified Aboriginal business, social enterprise and B Corp that uses fashion as a platform for truth-telling, education and First Nations justice. Sarah shares her personal journey from well-intentioned activism to deep accountability, and the realities of building a purpose-led business that must also be commercially sustainable to endure. We talk candidly about the challenges of rapid growth, reshaping a business after COVID, and why purpose is not a magic pill — it demands better leadership, clearer focus and tougher decisions. At the heart of this conversation is the Not a Date to Celebrate campaign, and a powerful exploration of why celebrating January 26 as Australia's national day remains deeply painful for First Nations people — and what role business can play in advocating for a more inclusive national story. This is a grounded, honest and hopeful conversation about love in business — not as a soft idea, but as a force that requires courage, responsibility and action. IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE Why Sarah believes love must be central to business, activism and leadership What it really takes to build a purpose-led business that can survive and scale The tension between impact and commercial sustainability — and why both matter Why January 26 is not a date to celebrate for Australia Day, and how the narrative can change with an alternative national day of unity The Not a Date to Celebrate campaign and how businesses can get involved Allyship, fear of “getting it wrong,” and how to move forward responsibly Future dreaming: What Australia could look like in ten years if we choose a more inclusive story ABOUT SARAH SHERIDAN Sarah Sheridan is the Co-Founder and Deputy CEO of Clothing The Gaps, a Melbourne-based streetwear label and social enterprise that champions Aboriginal people, culture and justice through fashion. A certified Aboriginal business, social enterprise and B Corp, Clothing The Gaps is widely known for its role in national conversations around truth-telling, allyship and the movement to change the date of Australia Day. Sarah grew up on a farm in north-central Victoria on Wotjobaluk Country and brings a deeply reflective, values-driven approach to leadership — grounded in listening, learning and long-term impact. LINKS & RESOURCES Learn more about Clothing The Gaps Explore and support the Not a Date to Celebrate campaign Sign the petition or find ways for your business to get involved Connect with Sarah on Linkedin Connect with Carolyn/Learn more about her work Speaking website Consulting, Leadership Development & Coaching Linkedin

EPISODE OVERVIEW What does leadership look like when everything is on the line? In this deeply moving episode of For Love & Money, I’m joined by Peter Baines OAM — humanitarian, leadership expert, founder of Hands Across The Water, and author of the powerful new book Together We Can (his fourth book). Peter’s career began in forensic policing, investigating homicides and leading international disaster victim identification teams following events such as the 2002 Bali bombings and the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami. But it was his work in Thailand after the tsunami — and a chance meeting with children who had lost everything — that set him on a completely different path. Twenty years on, Hands Across The Water has raised more than $40 million, supporting children and young people through long-term care, education and opportunity. To mark the 20th anniversary of the tsunami, Peter undertook an extraordinary 1,400-kilometre run across Thailand in just 26 days — the equivalent of 33 marathons — an experience that he captures in his latest book, Together We Can. But this conversation isn’t really about endurance. It’s about collective effort, presence, belief, and what becomes possible when people come together around a shared purpose. Peter shares the leadership lessons forged through crisis, the power of community, and why doing hard things — together — matters more than ever. IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE Why Peter believes love has a role in business and leadership What two decades of forensic and disaster work taught him about presence The moment that led to the founding of Hands Across The Water Why charity growth is not the ultimate measure of success The story behind Together We Can and the Run to Remember What it takes to lead when success is uncertain and failure is possible How leaders “bring the weather” — and why that matters The cost of doing big things alone, and the power of doing them together Peter’s vision for the next five years of Hands Across The Water ABOUT PETER BAINES OAM LEADERSHIP EXPERT. POWERFUL STORYTELLER. EVERYDAY HERO. Investigating homicides, leading international teams into scenes of crisis and disaster is not your normal path to global keynote speaker and business consultant. It was this unique path that provided insights into leadership which are so different yet offer relevant reflections and learnings to businesses facing change, growth or challenges of their own. Peter worked in countries following major crisis including Indonesia, Japan, Thailand and Saudi Arabia. His grounding came from two decades as a forensic investigator that saw him unravel the mysteries and discover the secrets of criminals thought rested solely with them. Prior to finishing his career as a forensic investigator he would spend time working with both Interpol in Lyon, France and the United Nations Office of Drug and Crime advising on Counter Terrorism and capacity building. But it was the work in Thailand that brought the biggest change. In response to the needs of the children left without a home or parents he would form Hands Across the Water and commence fundraising in Australia to build them a home. Almost twenty years after starting the charity, he now spends much of his time helping other charity and business leaders on how they can and indeed should benefit from their engagement with their community partners through corporate social responsibility programs. In 2024, to acknowledge the 20th anniversary of the 2004 tsunami he ran 1400km’s in just 26 days in Thailand averaging 60kms a day in the heat and humidity of Thailand the equivalent of running 33 marathons in 26 days. When he is not engaged in work, you will find him driving his tractor on the farm where he lives with his wife, Claire, raising cattle and nurturing the ground on which they live. His other interests that he embraces with a passion is as a helicopter pilot flying at every opportunity he gets and crossing the finish line of ultra marathons with his dogs Burton and Frankie. In 2025, Peter was identified as one of the top five most influential Australians working in Thailand. LINKS & RESOURCES Together We Can — Peter Baines: Buy the book, buy the audiobook, get a sample chapter. Hands Across The Water website Peter Baines — Leadership & Speaking Watch a short video about Run to Remember

Episode Overview What if the stories we watch could help rebuild the social fabric? In this episode, I’m joined by Elizabeth Tyler — co-founder and CEO of good.film, a platform using film and television as a catalyst for connection, empathy and real conversation. With declining social cohesion, rising loneliness and increasing polarisation across Western democracies, Elizabeth believes film offers something we desperately need: a shared narrative space where we can explore complexity together — not through debate, but through emotion, curiosity and story. Elizabeth’s career began far from entertainment. From early student activism at UTS, to working on one of Tasmania’s most consequential political campaigns, to shaping creative-led advocacy for major nonprofits, her path has always centred on one thing: bringing people together around a vision of what’s possible. Today, through good.film, she’s building a new category she calls Impact Entertainment — ambitious stories (from blockbusters to indie documentaries) that reveal something meaningful about the world, and help us see one another more fully. We explore how she’s turned this mission into a business model, the hidden work of rebuilding social trust, and why film is uniquely positioned to spark the conversations we’re no longer having. In This Episode We Explore: Why Elizabeth believes love has to be the starting point for meaningful changemaking – whether it’s love of your work, your collaborators, or even those you’re “working against”. The fundamental truth that sits under good.film: that stories move us emotionally first – and emotion is what opens us up to new perspectives. How good.film works in practice: from their “impact entertainment” category and recommendation platform, to partnerships with cinemas where every ticket purchased through good.film also donates to a cause. Elizabeth’s experience in the Tech Ready Women program, and a gorgeous story about a stranger at a pitching event who changed her trajectory with one handwritten note. Her personal journey from priding herself on not needing help… to intentionally building an advisory board and a community where asking for help is a strength, not a weakness. And her bigger vision: a future where once a month, most of us head to our local cinema – alone or with friends – to watch ambitious stories together and have the kinds of rich, complex conversations we can’t have in a comments thread. Across each of these threads runs a single question: how do we rebuild meaningful connection in a fractured world? This is a conversation for anyone feeling the fractures — and looking for hopeful, human ways to stitch connection back together. About Elizabeth Tyler Elizabeth Tyler is the co-founder and CEO of good.film, a platform bringing people back together through film and television. With a mission to counter declining social cohesion, loneliness and political polarisation, good.film curates ambitious stories — from blockbusters to Oscar winners to indie documentaries — and builds community around the conversations those stories spark. Elizabeth’s career began in politics, where she worked on two successful election campaigns and served as an adviser to a Tasmanian Member of Parliament. She later led creative-led advocacy campaigns as Strategic Director at the Motion Picture Company, working with major charities across Australia. Internationally, she has contributed to global environmental politics through the Global Greens, supporting more than 100 Green parties worldwide. She holds an MBA from UCLA Anderson, where she was awarded the Cockrum Fellowship for social change and the Wolfen Fellowship for entrepreneurship. Her leadership philosophy centres on creating community, naming a bold vision, and reverse-engineering it into practical, scalable outcomes. Connect with Elizabeth Website: good.film Linkedin: Elizabeth Tyler Resources & Links Explore good.film: Sign up to build your watchlist and join the community Learn more about the Scanlon Foundation Social Cohesion report Information on the Impact Investment Summit (Sydney)

Episode Overview What does it mean to redefine wealth — not as accumulation, but as enoughness? And what happens when you build a life and a career around community, purpose and shared humanity instead of individual achievement? In this profound and compelling conversation, I speak with Sandy Blackburn, one of Australia’s leading voices in social impact and the founder of Social Outcomes and Impact Culture Australia. Sandy spent 15 years living and working in South Africa during the final years of apartheid and the emergence of democracy — years that shaped her identity, worldview and lifelong commitment to social change. She shares the lessons those years taught her about community, belonging, and Ubuntu — the African philosophy meaning “I am because we are.” We explore what Western cultures have lost in their worship of individualism, how business can rediscover its collective heartbeat, and why “enough” might be the most radical idea in the purpose economy. Sandy also takes us inside her new venture, Impact Culture Australia, and the next frontier for purpose-driven organisations: embedding impact deeply into their culture, systems and ways of working. This is a rich, layered, deeply human conversation about what really matters in business — and in life. In This Episode We Explore Sandy’s perspective on whether there is a role for love in business Her extraordinary journey living in South Africa during the last violent years of apartheid How Ubuntu reshaped her understanding of identity and connection What Western cultures lose when individualism is elevated above community The deep lessons she learned about privilege, belonging and bearing witness How South Africa taught her the real meaning of “enough” Why so many corporate leaders privately feel unfulfilled The “golden hour” of township life — and what it reveals about authenticity and humanity The origins of Social Outcomes and the creation of Impact Culture Australia Why impact measurement is no longer enough — and why culture is the next frontier How flexible, trust-based business models can create richer lives What Sandy hopes the sector will look like in the next three years About Sandy Blackburn Sandy Blackburn has four decades of experience working in social change, organisational development, capacity building and culture change in Australia and internationally, including extensive work in community and organisational development in pre- and post-apartheid South Africa. Her autobiographical book, Holding Up the Sky: An African Life, captures her 15 years living through one of the most tumultuous and transformative periods in South Africa’s history — a journey that profoundly shaped her identity, worldview and commitment to social justice. She is one of Australia’s leading thought leaders in social impact and is the founder of Social Outcomes, and more recently Impact Culture Australia. Before founding these organisations, Sandy was Head of Social Innovation at Westpac, where she created the Organisational Mentoring Program — mobilising hundreds of employees to support for-purpose organisations to build their capacity, a systemic need that is notoriously underfunded. Through this work, and through Social Outcomes, Sandy has worked closely with many hundreds of for-purpose organisations, developing a deep understanding of the sector’s strengths and development needs. Sandy is also co-founder of Impact Investing Australia, sits on the NAB Foundation’s Investment Committee, and serves on multiple for-purpose boards. She is a sought-after speaker, bestselling author, and holds a Masters Degree in Adult Education. Connect With Sandy Website: Social Outcomes Impact Culture Australia LinkedIn: Sandy Blackburn

What does kindness look like in business — and why does it matter for commercial success? In this episode, I’m joined by Dr David Cooke—Executive Director of ESG Advisory, Adjunct Professor at UTS Business School, and author of Kind Business: How Values Create Value. In this deeply human conversation, David shares his journey from a traditional corporate career to leading Konica Minolta Australia as its first non-Japanese Managing Director, where he transformed the culture around a single, powerful vision: to build a company that cares. He unpacks what it really takes to embed purpose, kindness and human rights advocacy into a large technology business — and how that shift created stronger engagement, trust, and profitability. He also reflects on the “shadow we cast” as leaders, the moral and business imperatives behind Kind Business, and how every organisation can align values with value creation. 💡Highlights Love & leadership: What “love in business” really looks like across stakeholders—and why it’s commercially smart. From vision to practice: The pivotal choices that turned caring into a strategic operating principle. Human rights in supply chains: Modern slavery advocacy and how it galvanised employees and partners. Values create value: Evidence of cultural lift, customer preference, and long-term performance benefits. The leadership shadow: How to build psychological safety and alignment without losing accountability. ESG now: What David is seeing in boardrooms and executive teams—and where leaders get stuck (and unstuck). About Dr David Cooke Dr David Cooke is Executive Director of ESG Advisory, Adjunct Professor at UTS Business School, and author of Kind Business: How Values Create Value. He spent 35 years in the corporate sector, holding senior roles at Xerox and Canon before serving as Managing Director & Chair (ANZ) at Konica Minolta. David has chaired the UN Global Compact Network Australia and the Australian Human Rights Institute Advisory Committee, and served on multiple NFP boards. He earned a doctorate for research on building social capital through corporate social investment (recognised with Emerald Publishing’s Global Social Impact Award) and was awarded an honorary doctorate for implementing responsible business initiatives including addressing modern slavery in supply chains. He’s a noted speaker who has presented at UN conferences in New York and Geneva. Connect with Dr David Cooke On Linkedin ESG Advisory Website Kind Business book Kind Business audiobook

In this insightful and forward-looking conversation, Shirley Chowdhary joins Carolyn Butler-Madden to explore what modern governance and leadership look like in an age defined by rapid change, technology and social transformation. A seasoned board director, Chair and former CEO, Shirley shares her belief that good governance underpins everything— from commercial outcomes and productivity to culture and trust. She discusses the urgent need for boards to embrace diverse thinking, lived experience and inclusive leadership, and explains why the next frontier of effective governance lies in AI as a collaborative thinking partner. Shirley also reflects on her own non-linear career across law, finance, Indigenous education and board leadership — including how her lived experience across cultures has shaped her resilience, empathy and approach to leadership. From advancing women in political leadership to preparing boards for an AI-driven future, this is a conversation about courage, foresight, and the human intelligence behind great governance. 💡 Key Themes The changing face of governance: why inclusion and diversity of thought matter more than ever AI as a governance tool — the opportunities and risks of boards using AI for decision-making The importance of feedback, trust and positive intent in effective board culture Non-linear careers and the freedom to prioritise family, learning and different goals at different stages of life Women for Election and the need for greater representation in political and organisational leadership The balance between commercial imperatives and social impact — why the best boards ask, “Should we?”, not just “Can we?” 👤About Shirley Chowdhary Shirley has extensive leadership experience in corporate law and governance, alongside cultural and strategic change. She is an outspoken advocate for women’s leadership and diverse voices, and is a seasoned Non-Executive Director, Chair, and former CEO with substantial international experience. Shirley has a proven record of partnering with diverse communities and driving values alignment at board and organisational levels. Throughout her work, Shirley maintains a priority on commercial returns and stewardship, whilst balancing diverse stakeholder interests and prioritising customer confidence. She has a current research focus on how boards can adopt AI as a collaborative thinking partner to enhance judgment, improve productivity in the boardroom, and strengthen governance decision-making. Her work responds to growing expectations on directors to lead with foresight and confidence, supporting responsible innovation while maintaining trust, transparency and alignment with emerging regulatory frameworks. Shirley is currently the Chair of Women for Election and an external member of the University of Sydney Senate People & Culture Committee. She sits on the Advisory Boards of Propel Group, an organisation empowering boards and C-Suites to ‘get social media right’ in moments that matter, and Mentor Walks, providing mentoring to over 12,000 women across Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Canada and Dubai. Her previous board roles include being Deputy Chair of YMCA NSW, Chair of the Australian Institute of Architects, and non-executive director on the boards of the Australian Associated Press and Northrop Engineers. Career highlights include being in private practice at Cleary Gottlieb in New York and Tokyo, Regional Counsel for JP Morgan Investment Management, and CEO of the GO Foundation, an NFP founded by Adam Goodes and Michael O’Loughlin of Sydney Swans fame. She lived and worked for a decade in Japan, and has worked internationally across Asia, North America, Europe and Africa in the listed, private and for-purpose sectors. She has also hosted two series of the Women’s Agenda Leadership Lessons podcast and written a biography for a WW2 POW. In 2024, she was awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Letters from the University of Sydney for her contributions to law, business, gender equality and Indigenous education, and she was recognised as a 2019 AFR 100 Women of Influence. She is currently part of the AICD’s flagship Chair’s Mentoring program and a member of the AICD Faculty teaching Governance and director’s duties. Connect with Shirley Shirley's website Shirley on Linkedin Other Links Women for Election website - Women for Election Find all our events here - Events - Women for Election Register for our digital tool, Campaign in Your Pocket here - Campaign In Your Pocket Register Blog page - Blog Page - Women for Election Media page - Media Page - Women for Election Follow us on LinkedIn - Women For Election LinkedIn Follow us on Instagram - Women for Election (@womenelectionoz) Get in touch with us here - Contact Women for Election

In this powerful episode of the For Love & Money Podcast, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with Peter ter Weeme, a lifelong activist and global leader in values-based business. Peter’s career has spanned corporate, government and nonprofit sectors across North America, Europe, Asia and Australia. From his early awareness of apartheid in the 1980s to his leadership in the social purpose movement, Peter has always believed business must be about more than profit — it must also serve people and society. In this conversation, Peter shares how love, inclusion and courage have shaped his journey. He speaks candidly about living as a gay man, raising a child with disabilities, and navigating a terminal cancer diagnosis — experiences that have deepened his philosophy of curiosity over judgment and his perspective on leadership and legacy. This episode is both inspirational and practical — an invitation to reflect on what it means to lead with courage, authenticity and love. Highlights from this episode: The role of love in business and leadership (02:09) How apartheid sparked Peter’s early awareness of consumer activism and purpose (03:33) Reflections on meeting Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the lessons that stayed with him (08:20) Why shifting people’s thinking about the role of business is his proudest achievement (11:00) Tackling complex industries with courage and curiosity (16:30) Living with authenticity through a terminal cancer diagnosis (36:00) The power of inclusion and belonging in workplaces (24:00) Peter’s perspective on legacy, leadership and purpose (54:00) 👤 About Peter ter Weeme Peter ter Weeme is a lifelong activist for purpose and a global leader in values-based business. His career has spanned corporate, government and nonprofit sectors across North America, Europe, Asia and Australia. With an MBA in environmental management and a deep commitment to social change, Peter has designed campaigns and initiatives addressing issues from public health and climate action to environmental conservation, diversity and inclusion. In his most recent role, Peter serves as GM, Safer Gambling at a hospitality and entertainment company, where he leads strategy and programs focused on embedding social purpose at the heart of business. Prior to this,Peter was the Chief Social Purpose Officer & Vice President Player Experience at the British Columbia Lottery Corporation. There he had responsibility for marketing, communications, safer gambling, sustainability and stakeholder relations. At the core of Peter’s work is his personal purpose: to give people the community and confidence required to solve the world’s social and environmental challenges. This commitment has shaped his career and continues to inspire the many people he has worked with around the globe. 👉 If you’re inspired by this conversation, subscribe to the For Love & Money Podcast and explore more resources at thecauseeffect.com.au. Connect with Peter On Linkedin

In this episode of For Love & Money, I speak with Jeremy Meltzer, Founder and CEO of i=Change, Australia’s fastest growing impact marketing platform. Jeremy has built partnerships with over 400 brands – from Camilla and Clarins to law firms and hospitality businesses – raising more than $12 million for NGOs and impacting the lives of over 2 million people globally. At the heart of i=Change is Jeremy’s passion for empowering women and girls, tackling gender-based violence, and creating a more sustainable world. 👤 About Jeremy Meltzer Jeremy Meltzer is Founder & CEO of i=Change, Australia's fastest-growing impact marketing platform that bridges the worlds of businesses and impact. In partnership with over 400 brands like Camilla, Ginger & Smart, National Tiles, Clarins - and now law firms and hospitality business, i=Change has raised over $12 million and counting for NGOs, $1 at a time, impacting the lives of over 2 million people in Australia and globally. With a focus on empowering women & girls and mitigating climate change - and delivering value back to businesses for their giving, i=Change is leading a purpose-driven business movement. i=Change has won 4 x Australia Post ORIAs (2023, 2022, 2019), NORA’s ‘Best All-Round Sustainability Partner’ (2023), is a certified B-Corp and was voted one of 50 most innovative start-ups in Australia. i=Change uniquely leverages business to create impact, by engaging businesses pragmatically, creating system change from within - and ultimately a new business model. Jeremy believes it is critical we engage business to fund NGOs in Australia and mostly, across the developing world, where funding can provide up to 5X social return on investment - and that we see NGOs as equal partners in security and development. This helps ensure our nearest neighbours can have their basic needs met - and the opportunity to thrive - at a time when foreign aid has been so drastically cut, it is now more essential than ever. 🔍 In This Episode We Explore: The deeply personal experiences in Cuba that opened Jeremy's eyes to the prevalence of gender-based violence – and why he couldn’t walk past it. His journey from olive oil entrepreneur to impact tech founder with no tech background. Why businesses must move beyond profit-first thinking, and what authentic partnerships between brands and NGOs can achieve. How purpose and profit are not opposites, but mutually reinforcing drivers of innovation, loyalty, and growth. The vision for i=Change by 2030 – raising over $30 million annually to create systemic, measurable impact. This is a conversation about what business can and must become when it integrates love, compassion, and human values into its DNA.

In this episode of The For Love & Money Podcast, I speak with Abigail Forsyth OAM, co-founder and Managing Director of KeepCup—the company that kickstarted a global revolution in reusable coffee cups and helped change the way we think about single-use packaging. From her early days as a lawyer to co-founding a bustling Melbourne café chain with her brother Jamie, Abigail shares how a growing discomfort with packaging waste led to the creation of KeepCup—the world’s first barista-standard reusable cup. We explore the highs of fast growth, global expansion, and viral adoption, as well as the confronting challenges brought on by COVID, shifting market narratives, and scaling a purpose-led organisation. This is a raw and honest conversation about entrepreneurship, purpose, leadership, and the tension between impact and profitability. Abigail’s insights are as grounded as they are galvanising—and essential listening for anyone building a values-based business that aims to drive real change. 👤 About Abigail Forsyth Abigail is a leader in the global campaign to promote sustainability. Known worldwide for its bright, bold and instantly recognisable reusable cups, KeepCup is a global campaign for reuse. Since launching the world’s first barista-standard reusable cup in 2009, KeepCup is now embraced by reusers the world over, diverting millions of single-use cups daily. KeepCup is in business for better - a certified B Corporation, living wage employer and member of 1% for the Planet, donating at least 1% of global revenue to environmental causes. Following a successful career as a solicitor, Abigail and her brother Jamie set up their own chain of cafes across the city. Alarmed by the amount of disposable packaging being wasted, Abigail started her search for a more sustainable and environmentally conscious way to serve food, and the concept of KeepCup soon became a reality. Abigail has been honoured with an Order of Australia Medal in the General Division, for her years of outstanding service to sustainable design on the Queens Birthday list for 2021. Abigail has opened offices and warehouses in Australia and the UK, and set up hub operations in the USA to service growing consumer demand in over 76 countries around the world, but the business has stayed loyal to its roots. KeepCup’s HQ is located in the Melbourne suburb of Clifton Hill, where Abigail lives with her family. 🔍 In This Episode We Explore: Abigail’s leap from law to entrepreneurship The inspiration behind KeepCup and how it found early traction How KeepCup became a global lifestyle brand with a loyal tribe Navigating major setbacks—from COVID to cultural backlash Why profitability is vital to sustaining purpose Leadership lessons learned through growth, failure and recovery The evolution of KeepCup from innovation to lifestyle The launch of their new campaign, #SipCheck 🔗 Links & Resources 🌐 KeepCup: keepcup.com 📸 KeepCup Instagram: instagram.com/keepcup 🔗 Abigail Forsyth on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abigail-forsyth-68886211 💡 The Cause Effect (Carolyn’s consultancy): thecauseeffect.com.au 🎧 More podcast episodes: Podcast Page | Listen on Spotify | Apple Podcasts

Episode Summary What does it take to turn outrage and opposition into legitimacy and consent? In this episode, we explore that question with one of the world’s leading authorities on social licence and legitimacy. My guest, Katherine Teh, is the founder of a pioneering social purpose company that’s rewriting the rules of mining—transforming the industry’s most polarised conflicts into powerful opportunities for inclusive, ethical development. You’ll hear how this consent-based model is unlocking stranded assets, accelerating approvals, and delivering long-term value for people, planet, and business. We explore: The power of empathy in business—even in high-stakes, high-conflict sectors. Why legitimacy isn’t a compliance issue, but a foundation for resilience and profit. The real meaning of social licence—and why it’s vital to the net zero transition. How the “DAD” model (Decide, Announce, Defend) is being replaced with “DAVE” (Declare dilemmas, Acknowledge issues, unify Vision, Evaluate). Why partnering with Indigenous communities is essential to ethical growth. This is a conversation about reimagining what development can look like when business begins with humanity, listens deeply, and leads with purpose. Guest Bio Katherine Teh is a strategist, reformer, and changemaker whose work has helped reshape some of the world’s most complex and contested industries—from mining and renewables to public policy, agriculture, and pharmaceuticals. Katherine Teh is one of the world’s foremost authorities on social licence and legitimacy. For over three decades, she has worked at the intersection of sustainability, governance, and public trust—bringing sharp clarity where others see only risk. Her ability to align fractured interests and rebuild trust has made her a trusted adviser on more than $200 billion in major projects around the globe. But Katherine’s story begins far from the boardroom. Driven by an early ambition to become a war correspondent, she rose quickly through the ranks of journalism—becoming the youngest female A-graded journalist in Australian history. At 29, she led one of the country’s most influential gender justice campaigns, mobilising over one million women to reframe gendered violence as a workplace safety issue—more than two decades before the #MeToo movement swept the world. Since then, she has led national and international public dialogue processes on polarising issues, designed innovative products and business models to solve systemic problems, and helped industries navigate outrage, restore legitimacy, and deliver long-term value. In 2002, she founded the world’s first social licence agency—developing a methodology that combines strategic foresight, stakeholder alignment, and social impact design to turn opposition into durable, earned support. Today, as Executive Chair of Spektrum, Katherine leads a new kind of critical minerals company—one that does development differently. By partnering with Indigenous communities and applying consent-based models, she and her team are unlocking stranded assets, accelerating approvals, and creating nature-positive regional futures. Katherine is on a mission to transform not just who development is done with—but how it’s done, and what it leaves behind. She builds systems that restore legitimacy, resolve conflict, and demonstrate that ethical, inclusive development isn’t a trade-off—it’s the foundation for resilience and long-term success. She’s an entrepreneur. An activist. A visionary. And a woman who’s never waited for permission to lead. Resources & Links: Learn more about Spektrum: https://www.spektrumdevelopment.com/ Connect with Katherine on LinkedIn: Katherine Teh Book Mentioned: Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman More for You: Explore how purpose-led business can drive systemic change: 👉 thecauseeffect.com.au Grab your copy of For Love & Money—and help protect rainforest with every sale: 📗 Buy the book

Episode Summary In Part 2 of this two-part feature on Woollahra Council’s transformation, Carolyn speaks with Craig Swift-McNair, the Council’s General Manager. Craig offers a refreshingly candid account of what it takes to embed purpose and values across a whole organisation. He reflects on the early culture challenges, the creation of a new leadership structure, and how trust, honesty and consistency enabled real change to take root. From navigating tough decisions—like a significant restructure—to seeing the payoff in a post-redundancy engagement survey, Craig shares how a unifying purpose helped guide the organisation through both challenge and change. What You’ll Learn in This Episode - How leadership enables culture and values to move beyond strategy documents. - Why organisational transformation requires investment in people. - The challenges of shifting legacy mindsets and breaking down silos. - How a clear purpose and set of values can guide even the most difficult decisions. - The importance of embedding purpose into leadership behaviours, not just branding. - What it looks like to lead with honesty, integrity, and accountability. Key Themes Discussed Aligning a leadership team around shared purpose Leading through transformation and restructure Reimagining culture in a historically siloed organisation Building a respectful, values-led workplace culture The role of storytelling, transparency, and consistency in leadership Why council staff engagement improved after one of the toughest periods Guest Bio Craig Swift-McNair is the General Manager at Woollahra Council in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, a role he commenced in July 2020. Prior to this, he was the General Manager of Port Macquarie-Hastings Council on the mid north coast of NSW, from 2014 to 2020. Craig has spent over 20 years in local government in NSW in a range of roles across three Councils and prior to his time in the public sector, he had a twenty-five-year career in the private sector. Craig is dedicated to giving back to the local government sector and as part of that, he has been on the Board of Local Government Professionals Australia, NSW since 2018 and is currently the Vice President. Craig is focused on building a strengths-based and values-based organisation that delivers on its purpose; provides its people with opportunities to grow in their roles and as individuals, which in turn delivers an improved customer experience and services for our community. Links and Resources Woollahra Council Vision, Mission & Values: Woollahra Council Website Episode 81 (Part 1): Patricia Occelli on Culture, Community & Customer Experience Connect with Carolyn Butler-Madden: LinkedIn | The Cause Effect Explore For Love & Money Podcast: Podcast Homepage Buy Carolyn’s book For Love & Money

Episode Summary: In this episode of the For Love and Money podcast, In this episode, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with Patricia Occelli, Director of Community and Customer Experience at Woollahra Council. Patricia shares the story of how doing the work to create a unifying purpose transformed the Council’s vision, culture, and strategic direction. What began as a challenge to create a meaningful customer experience strategy evolved into a whole-of-organisation transformation—fuelled by purpose and a deep commitment to community. Patricia reflects on the pivotal moments, the leadership challenges, and the lasting cultural shifts that followed. This is Part 1 of a two-part series on Woollahra Council’s purpose-led transformation. Part 2 features General Manager, Craig Swift McNair, sharing his perspective on the transformation process. What You’ll Learn in This Episode How a unifying purpose can drive whole-of-organisation transformation Why purpose is essential in local government and public service How to bridge silos and shift culture with a shared North Star The difference between customer service and customer experience What it takes to embed values that guide everyday behaviour How the council has seen results in both internal culture and community engagement Key Themes Discussed The transformational impact of a unifying purpose Bridging organisational silos with a shared North Star Driving cultural change in complex public environments The role of language, values, and tone of voice in public service Why brand archetypes matter for councils and community connection How purpose-aligned strategy drives both internal and external outcomes Stay tuned for Part 2, Episode 82, where Carolyn speaks with Craig Swift-McNair, Woollahra Council’s General Manager, to further explore the leadership behind this transformation. Guest Bio Patricia Occelli is the Director of Community and Customer Experience at Woollahra Council, leading customer experience, communications, community engagement, cultural and arts initiatives, and Woollahra Libraries. With over 35 years of leadership in the human services sector, Patricia has driven transformation across local and state government and the for-purpose sector. She is passionate about social justice and delivering high-quality services that make a real difference in people’s lives. Her expertise spans service integration, cultural reform, customer-centric design, and staff engagement. She has successfully led ICT transformations, governance frameworks, and operational efficiencies—all while fostering empowered employees and engaged communities. A strategic leader, Patricia is committed to shaping innovative, sustainable, and impactful services. Links and Resources Woollahra Council Vision, Mission & Values: Woollahra Council Website Connect with Patricia Occelli on Linkedin Carolyn Butler-Madden: LinkedIn | The Cause Effect Learn more about the For Love & Money Podcast

Episode Summary In this powerful and deeply thoughtful episode, political economist and changemaker Katherine Trebeck joins Carolyn to explore what it means to build an economy that works for people and planet. Katherine shares her journey from working with Oxfam and Rio Tinto to co-founding the Wellbeing Economy Alliance (WEAll), and how her work is reshaping the way we define economic success. Together, they unpack the shortcomings of our current growth-at-all-costs model and what’s possible when we embrace a wellbeing economy — one designed with purpose, prevention, equity, and people-powered participation at its core. Katherine also reflects on the rise of Trumpism, the role of business in systemic change, and where she finds hope in uncertain times. What You'll Learn in This Episode Why GDP is an outdated and inadequate measure of progress What a wellbeing economy is — and what it looks and feels like in practice The 'four Ps' of a wellbeing economy: Purpose, Prevention, Pre-distribution, and People-powered How businesses can be powerful actors in system change Why the current economic system is driving disconnection and despair The impact of far-right populism and why it signals an urgent need for economic transformation The power of storytelling and imagination in creating systemic change Key Themes Discussed Economic system change and the rise of the wellbeing economy movement False binaries: economy vs society, business vs love Reimagining success: from growth to wellbeing Practical pathways for transforming economic structures The danger of failing systems and the opportunity they create for bold leadership Community, belonging, and the importance of connection in resilience The role of business leaders in shaping a more just and sustainable future Guest Bio Katherine Trebeck is a political economist, writer and advocate for economic system change. She co-founded the Wellbeing Economy Alliance (WEAll) and WEAll Scotland, and played a key role in initiating the Wellbeing Economy Governments (WEGo) partnership. Katherine is Writer-at-Large and Co-Director of the Compassion in Financial Services Hub at the University of Edinburgh, and Strategic Advisor for the Centre for Policy Development. She also serves in advisory and governance roles for numerous progressive economic institutions around the world. Links & Resources Katherine’s website Follow Katherine on LinkedIn Follow Katerine on BlueSky Wellbeing Economy Alliance (WEAll) Katherine’s TEDx Talk: “Why the Future Economy has to be a Wellbeing Economy” Carolyn Butler-Madden on LinkedIn: As mentioned in the episode: Link to video of “Restaurant of Mistaken Orders” The “Deaths of Despair and the Future of Capitalism” book by Anne Case and Angus Deaton More episodes of the For Love & Money Podcast