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Send a textNick's background in media technology put him in contact with many government agencies, which helped him see our legal system as approachable and human. He founded Declassify UAP to help people contact their elected representatives and press for greater transparency on the subject. This wide-ranging conversation covers everything from Nick's technical experience to the status of transparency advocacy to the metaphysical oneness of being and action. It's a doozy, and Nick's preternaturally articulate flow keeps it tripping along. Hope you enjoy! Support Us: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-treesSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThomas is a movie star. He's played lead roles in major films like The Punisher and The Predator, and TV shows like Hung and The Expanse. He manages entertainment companies, directs, produces and stars in film and TV projects, and writes both fiction and nonfiction. He's also a long-time UFO researcher with a forthcoming book about the phenomenon. We talk about the state of human life, the motives, behaviors and diversity of potential visiting NHI, and how we should proceed into the next era of our species' interaction. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Check out our Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Links from our chat: NICAP 1952 Sightings: https://www.nicap.org/chronos/1952FIXED.htm UFOs: The Secret History: https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Secret-History/dp/1569247013 Above Top Secret: https://www.amazon.com/Above-Top-Secret-Worldwide-U-F/dp/0688092020 UFOs and the National Security State Part 1 https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170 Part 2 https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-1973-1991/dp/0967799511 UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089 UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don't Know) https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Scientist-Explains-What-Know/dp/1538173581 UFO Sightings Desk Reference https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Sightings-Desk-Reference-2001-2015/dp/1544219237Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textGrant Cameron has been researching UFOs for over 50 years. He's a prolific writer and speaker, with over 20 publications to his name. Grant's interview with us is freewheeling and intense. To be honest, we don't know what to make of some of his claims. However, we respect his lifelong commitment to the subject and we're grateful he chose to share so much of his precious time with us. As we say at the top of the episode, this one's not for beginners. Seasoned UFO thinkers will have a better toolkit for navigating bizarre, surprising and/or dubious truth claims. If you're in the early days of your UFO journey, you might want to start with another episode, or just prepare yourself to onboard this information with careful consideration. It may be mostly true or partly true or mostly false, but no one could call this deluge boring. Grant's poured his soul into this research, and we're proud to share his views in our Season 3 finale. Thank you for continuing this fascinating journey with us. We hope you're having fun! WTUFO Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Grant on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Mr.-Grant-Cameron/author/B00EFGCJRC Grant referenced over three dozen interesting research trailheads, from people to programs to songs to buildings. We've included them in a post on our site so you can check them out yourself: https://wtufo.com/s3e13-grant-cameron-ufo-researcher-and-writer/Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Matthew Szydagis teaches physics at the University at Albany and researches dark matter with the Lux-Zeplin project. He's also a scientist with UAPx where he participated in the first UAP expedition in 2021. We discuss funding for UAP research, what UAPx learned from their expedition and what they'd like to do next, potential explanations for UAP behavior, and other topics. UAPx Expedition Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00558 Matthew's Catastrophic Disclosure Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.12738 Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com WTUFO Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Uhall teaches political theory and the history of thought at Indiana University and works as an administrator in research and strategy at the University of Illinois. He's working on a book called "Theory of the Alien."We discuss conceptual structures related to humans, nature, space and aliens, and explore the academic theory work necessary to prepare for potential contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.Michael's First Book: https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666922530/Noir-Materialism-Freedom-and-Obligation-in-Political-EcologyMichael's Website: https://www.michaeluhall.com/ Bohlander on ET Contact: https://www.amazon.com/Contact-Extraterrestrial-Intelligence-Human-Applicability/dp/9004677690 Wright on Deep Space Warfare: https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Space-Warfare-Military-Strategy-ebook/dp/B0841RSDZR/ Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.comWTUFO Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wtufoSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThis is a fun one. Krys and Ariel host The Elephant In the Room 411 Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@ElephantInTheRoom411 We talk about how to discuss the UFO subject with family and friends, how to center experiencers in the cultural conversation, and how we rate the various possible explanations for the UFO phenomenon. Support our show: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Check out the Spacefare shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textGary Voorhis Jr. is a Co-Founder and President of UAPx, and a direct witness of the 2004 UAP encounters by the U.S.S. Nimitz carrier group leading up to the famous Tic Tac incident. We discuss Gary's experience in 2004 witnessing the strange radar and visual phenomena, and the instructions he received by the unidentified officers who came to confiscate the footage. We also cover his work with UAPx, a science organization seeking funding to produce and install sensor arrays to collect reliable UAP data. Gary mentions this forthcoming paper from UAPx on the results of their first field expedition: https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00558 For related work, check out our interview with Dr. Kevin Knuth and look out for our upcoming interview with Dr. Matthew Szydagis. And if you know how to write grants, and you want to help with UAP science, consider giving UAPx a call! Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textRobert Powell is a co-founder and Executive Board Member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. He served as Director of Research at MUFON from 2007-2017 and created their Science Review Board. Robert holds a BS in Chemistry and co-holds four patents related to nanotechnology from his years managing Research and Development of semiconductors at AMD. We discuss his excellent book "UFOs: A Scientist Explains What We Know (And Don't Know)," including what UAP science must do next, what might account for some of the extraordinary behavior of UAP, and how and whether we should attempt to communicate with potential NHI. Get Robert's book here: https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Scientist-Explains-What-Know/dp/1538173581 Support Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wtufoSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Knuth is a Full Professor in the Department of Physics at the University at Albany (SUNY) and the Editor-in-Chief of the journal Entropy (MDPI). He holds various positions leading and consulting with almost every major UFO organization, including UAPX, SCU, SUAPS, The Sol Foundation, IFEX and The Galileo Project. Kevin worked for four years at NASA Ames Research Center in the Intelligent Systems Division designing artificial intelligence algorithms for astrophysical data analysis. He has over 20 years of experience in applying Bayesian and maximum entropy methods to the design of machine learning algorithms for data analysis applied to the physical sciences. His current research interests include the foundations of physics, quantum information, inference and inquiry, autonomous robotics, and the search for and characterization of extrasolar planets. He has published over 90 peer-reviewed publications and has been invited to give over 80 presentations in 14 countries. https://www.albany.edu/physics/faculty/kevin-knuth We discuss his work on UFO science, including these two papers: Estimating the Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7514271/ Simulating the characteristics of extra-terrestrial civilizations that encounter Earth https://knuthlab.org/papers/knuth---kavli-2024---galactic-colonization.pdfSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textRich Hoffman celebrated 60 years of UFO investigation in 2024. He's an IT consultant and strategist, and a defense contractor with Army Material Command. One of the first members of MUFON, he rose through the ranks to serve as Director of Investigations, Star Team Manager, Director of Strategic Projects, and State Director for multiple states. Rich founded the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies to connect scientists around the world and apply rigorous research methods to the investigation of UFOs and their properties. He's contributed directly to several deep-dive research papers about both particular UAP events and the broader patterns revealed in high-quality historical data. Rich tells us about his career, takes us on a detailed tour through the scientific work of SCU, and previews upcoming developments in the field. We hope you enjoy our show! If you do, please consider supporting us so we can get the word out about our work and the cool people we're talking to. Help Us Exist: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Check Out Our Sister Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Brannon Wheeler teaches history of religion, Middle East, and the Bible at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis. He's authored and edited several books on these topics, including Mecca and Eden: Ritual, Relics, and Territory in Islam (Chicago, 2016) and Animal Sacrifice and the Origins of Islam (Cambridge, 2022). Professor Wheeler received his PhD from the University of Chicago and has held visiting positions throughout the Middle East and Europe. We discuss the overlap between religious mythology and UFO experiences, the potential nature of communication with advanced psychic beings, and the path forward for academic engagement with the wide-ranging implications of UAP.Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textKevin Wright is a public relations and communications expert. He focuses on edge science issues and advises the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies’ (SCU) Board of Directors on public affairs and public relations and is a consultant to Daniel Sheehan’s New Paradigm Institute. Wright is also a weekly columnist for the Roswell Daily Record. Wright’s company Solve Advocacy helps clients navigate the complex and evolving landscape of public perception, media attention, and policy implications related to topics such as UAP, consciousness, and more.Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textBirdie is amazing. She founded ABQ UFOs, which is one of the largest volunteer organizations of UFO enthusiasts, and she's among the most accomplished civilian remote viewers. We discuss her work and experience in both areas here, and look closely at the places where UFOs and remote viewing intersect.You can follow Birdie online at her site No Rivets: https://www.norivets.com/Engage with ABQ UFOs at their site: https://www.abqufos.com/And check out Birdie's course with Ubiquity University here: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/developing-the-human-et-relationship-through-remote-viewing-with-birdie-jaworski/While you're clicking on things, support our show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/WTUFOAnd check out our cosmic products on Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.comSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textJohn and Gerry Tedesco are likely the world's most experienced civilian UAP trackers. They've logged hundreds of hours of data collection in their mobile lab Nightcrawler units with dozens of high-quality sensor instruments, including advanced radar equipment for which they acquired a special license. We discuss their history as electrical engineers, their UAP observation work so far, their harrowing close encounter, and their plans for future projects. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textJim Garrison directs the Washington DC operations of New Paradigm Institute. We discuss how disclosure will impact the rhythms of human history, how humans can start processing the presence of nonhuman intelligence, and how New Paradigm is preparing to help us communicate with our visitors. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textRenate Erdal is the leader of UFO Norway, a construction project manager, and a Captain in the Norwegian Army Reserves. We talk about UFO Norway's activities, Norwegian UFO history, how to make disclosure a healthy process, and what we'd like to ask the NHI. If you like my mission to help demystify UFOs with experts researching them, please support this show with $1/month: https://patreon.com/wtufo If you want to see my office, you can watch these episodes on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@whattheufo And if you'd like some Merch about this stuff, check out the Spacefare shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Michael Glawson is a philosopher, consultant and podcast host. His teaching and research subjects include the philosophies of religion, technology and science. We discuss next steps for UAP studies, the conceptual challenges of engaging with advanced life forms, and what might happen when we learn more about the broad range of phenomena to which UAP connect. Help us exist: https://www.patreon.com/c/WTUFO Check out our gear: https://spacefare.etsy.com Check out Michael's Show Anomalous Review: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYsa2DMDzyFNJAOuOrt6XSbKEohvETwRc Check out Michael's Other Show UAP Studies: https://www.youtube.com/@UAPStudies Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textStephanie Dwilson is a licensed attorney with a master's in science in science and technology journalism. She founded The Verified Report to cover UAP news from a serious, unbiased perspective. Check out her work here: https://theverifiedreport.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Check out our shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textStephen Bassett is the first UFO disclosure lobbyist. He's been working to end the military truth embargo on UAP for over 20 years. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ More about Stephen: Stephen Bassett has spoken to audiences in 20 countries about the political implications of UAP/ET phenomena and Disclosure - the formal confirmation by heads of state of an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race. He is co-founder of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance and executive director of Paradigm Research Group, a 501c3 non-profit providing education, consulting, analysis and political activism for a post-Disclosure world. His advocacy work has been well covered by national and international media including CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Washington Post and New York Times. Bassett has appeared in many documentary films and his lectures and interviews are well represented on YouTube. In 2013 PRG organized and conducted a "Citizen Hearing on Disclosure" at the National Press Club in Washington. In November of 2014 PRG launched a two-year political initiative out of Washington, DC that injected the ET issue into the 2016 presidential campaign. In December 2023, Steve Co-Founded The Hollywood Disclosure Alliance in Los Angeles, a new, media-centric organization aiming to align those working within the UAP/ET research arena with writers/directors/producers working across every facet of the global entertainment industry. PRG recently launched an activist project - Shift Storm - seeking UAP hearings as soon as possible before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Main website: www.paradigmresearchgroup.org HDA: www.hollywooddisclosurealliance.org Shift Storm: www.shiftstorm.org PRG Media coverage: https://paradigmresearchgroup.org/prg-media-coverage/ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textDr. Cifone is an accomplished philosopher of science and the founder of the Society for UAP Studies: https://www.societyforuapstudies.org/ He also edits the Society's peer-reviewed journal Limina: https://limina.uapstudies.org/ We discuss the philosophy of science, the project of approaching UAP in contemporary science, the unique challenges and opportunities it poses as a subject, and a wide array of related topics. It's our furthest ranging and longest episode yet. We hope you enjoy! Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textAndy McGrillen hosts That UFO Podcast, our favorite podcast about UFOs. We talk about ontological resilience, hypotheses for the phenomenon, and the upcoming goals of ufology. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThis audio essay is an invitation to folks who consider themselves rational thinkers. The independent intellectual community is well positioned to lead on UFOs. If you're still hesitant about engaging with this topic, I'll help you reexamine your priors with some clear, objective evidence. Please feel free to contact me on X if you'd like to chat!Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textAfter 80 years of research, reporting and media, ufology is still a nascent field. Both professionally and personally, it has a long way to go. Today, it faces three main goals. The first is to establish its reason for existing, which is to say convincing people it's worth investigating at all. The second is to help people navigate the intense worldview disruptions that accompany the information that UFOs are in fact real. The third is to explore the nature of that reality, from historical research to scientific and spiritual understanding to diplomatic and military engagement. That can all feel overwhelming, so it helps to peel it apart a bit. We talk calmly through these three elements here to help encourage a grounded approach as we all move forward in this field together. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWe talk with Dr. Steven Brown of Ohio State University about applying philosophy to UFOs, the nature of the phenomenon, the coverup and widespread denial, converging structural challenges, and how to help people process the biggest intellectual transition in human history. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Here are some things we mention in the show: Dr. Brown’s YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbrownphilosophy That UFO Podcast Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qin_JjLvJDI New Paradigm Institute https://newparadigminstitute.org/ The Sol Foundation https://thesolfoundation.org/ UAP Caucus https://www.uapcaucus.com/ UAP Disclosure Fund https://www.uapdisclosurefund.org/ Pascal’s Wager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager William James - The Will to Believe https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26659 Lara Buchak - Faith and Traditions https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/nous.12427 Mutually Exclusive, Collectively Exhaustive Dichotomies https://strategyu.co/wtf-is-mece-mutually-exclusive-collectively-exhaustive/ The UAP Disclosure Act https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/2610/text Kevin Knuth’s Sol Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&si=0IZEkOlaOWEp1S-B&v=HlYwktOj75A Leslie Kean - UFOs https://amzn.to/4dPhJ6v (Amazon Affiliate Link) Richard Dolan - UFOs and the National Security State Part 1 https://amzn.to/3WNdn95 (Amazon Affiliate Link) Part 2 https://amzn.to/4dH6hKa (Amazon Affiliate Link) Nick Bostrom - Superintelligence https://amzn.to/4cnP07O (Amazon Affiliate Link) Thich Nhat Hanh - How to Sit https://amzn.to/3yJLx5M (Amazon Affiliate Link) Thomas Kuhn - The Structure of Scientific Revolutions https://amzn.to/3X421Px (Amazon Affiliate Link) Dean Radin - Real Magic https://amzn.to/3Mb2iK4 (Amazon Affiliate Link) Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThe logical argument that UFOs are non-human objects is extremely strong. The very short version goes like this: 1. UFOs demonstrate advanced propulsion 2. UFOs have been doing that for 80 years 3. It's extremely unlikely that humans invented advanced propulsion in the 1940s 4. It's extremely likely that UFOs are non-human If you'd like to read the full essay, you can check it out here: https://wtufo.com/ufo-skepticism-is-the-real-fringe-theory/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThe UFO phenomenon has huge implications for almost every field of human endeavor. We consider the biggest areas of impact. Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWe wrote this episode for people new to UFOs, and for UFO enthusiasts looking for better ways to talk to skeptical friends and family members. We mention a large number of sources, so for full quotes and links to original documents, check out the article version of this episode here: https://wtufo.com/ufo-probability-logic/ If you like our show, it's a huge help to us if you share it, even with a few folks. If you like us so much you want to buy us a small coffee once a month, please join us on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Thank you for listening! Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textIn September, 2023, the NASA UAP Independent Study Team released its report. They recommended that NASA investigate UAP, and made detailed proposals about how NASA can generate scientific advances on this topic. I found this report refreshingly rigorous. Some outlets covered it as a dismissal of the subject, but I read it as a roadmap to serious research. NASA UAP page: https://science.nasa.gov/uap/ Cool astronomy plate study: https://www.universetoday.com/163820/in-1952-a-group-of-three-stars-vanished-astronomers-still-cant-find-them/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThey don't teach UFOs in school, so most people don't know much about them. Because of that, most people make a series of assumptions about UFOs that aren't necessarily well-founded. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textIf UFOs aren't NHI, some other weird things must be happening. Given what we know is definitely true, we imagine the potential alternate explanations for UFOs, creature encounters, and coverup allegations. To cap it off, we use our trusty Occam's razor to cut through the chaos. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWe go through some of the biggest sightings of UFOs in history, from objects above cities to waves of reports in one location over several years. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textThe general attitude about UFOs is dismissive, but is that what the facts suggest? We lay out an argument for humility and curiosity about this intriguing subject. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textOver the years several people have made claims about UFOs near the end of their lives. We talk about some of the most famous cases, including several from people who worked at Roswell, and one, Phil Corso, who wrote a book about working on a secret reverse engineering program for the Pentagon. These confessions range from simple to complex and from believable to unusual. We cover the confessions and then go a little deeper on Corso's book, The Day After Roswell. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textIn 1952, two waves of UFOs flew over DC, shocking America. It was big news at the time, but in the years since then, it's faded from memory. We talk about what happened and ponder how this major moment slipped into the dust of history. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textOnce you start thinking about UFOs, it can be hard to talk with people who don't know much about them. We explore ideas about how to approach the tricky topic and share some stories about how this has gone for us so far. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWe go headfirst down the bunny hole and imagine what the UFO phenomenon might be. The possibilities range from extremely unsettling to profoundly exciting. One heads up: this episode is what you could call advanced. It's entirely speculative and most of it will sound full on bananas if you're not already into ufology. If that sounds fun to you, you're going to have a good time with this one. Brand Note: This is the last episode where we used the name Holding Space. Going forward it's all WTUFO, baby. What the UFO?? If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWhy do we see UFOs frequently but not all the time? It seems like they must be hiding to some extent, but they've still made many appearances over the years. We go through all the explanations we can think of to explain this semi-cautious behavior. Brand Note: We called this show Holding Space for the first 6 episodes. Now we call it WTUFO. It's better, right? We hope you enjoy. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textTo some people, this is obvious. To others, it seems unbelievable. In this episode, we explain why we lean heavily toward non-human explanations for UFOs. Brand Note: We called this show Holding Space for the first 6 episodes. Now we call it WTUFO. It's better, right? We hope you enjoy. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textJohn's turn to tell you what he thinks! As we get more information, our views may change, but as of recording, this was our understanding of the phenomenon and situation around it. Brand Note: We called this show Holding Space for the first 6 episodes. Now we call it WTUFO. It's better, right? We hope you enjoy. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Original Air Date: January 14, 2024 Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textNews writers have routinely reported on the Pentagon's careful statements as if they were broad denials. We dig into the details, talk about the legislation that established AARO, and consider how journalists can improve their coverage. Brand Note: We called this show Holding Space for the first 6 episodes. Now we call it WTUFO. It's better, right? We hope you enjoy. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send a textWe figure it's fair to start the show with what we think so far. As we get more information, our views may change, but as of recording, this was our understanding of the situation. Caleb lays out his takes in the first episode and John follows in the second. Brand Note: We called this show Holding Space for the first 6 episodes. Now we call it WTUFO. It's better, right? We hope you like it. Finally, Caleb says the word "militarial" in this episode, and you can rest assured that he feels appropriately stupid about this. If you're enjoying the show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please consider supporting us at patreon.com/WTUFO Original Air Date: January 9, 2024 Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow