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Jonathan Miller ~ Confronting Unknowns (Audio Fixed)
Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFOJonathan Miller works in frontier tech, research and development. He vounteers for Americans for Safe Aerospace, and ran a course at MIT called Confronting Unknowns.We discuss the challenge of considering UAP and means and methods for getting better information about this tricky subject.Jonathan's Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tough-tech-today-with-meyen-and-miller/id1527322834Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-treesSpacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFOJoin WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Rhys Dalton Morgan (UFOzzie)
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S7 Ep 11Tim Burke ~ Writer, Director, Producer
Send a textTim's Site: www.theageofcommunication.comJoin WTUFO YouTube Membership:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinMusic by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-treesSpacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 10Daniel Otis ~ Investigative Journalist
Send a textDaniel Otis is an investigative journalist who covers UAP for Canadian and international news organizations. He works primarily with direct reports and documents, often retrieved by legal information requests.Join WTUFO YouTube Membership:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinMusic by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 9Jordan Flowers ~ Disclosure Foundation Executive Director
Send a textJordan leads the nonprofit Disclosure Foundation, a nonprofit supporting policy, legal and education actions to advance official disclosure and coordinate societal response thereto. He comes to this role after a 20-year career in corporate finance—he's a sharp tack and a good guy. We're honored to host him and learn about his work. Hope you enjoy!Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 85 Resoultions For UFOlogy
Send a textCultivate ConverationsFund and Organize ScienceHold Government AccountableEducate and Encourage the MediaPublicly Contact Nonhuman IntelligencesHappy New Year, everyone! Wishing you a fun, successful 2026. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 7What's Going On With UFOs ~ Best Guess
Send a textA fun one for the end of 2025—this is my honest best guess about what's going on with UFOs. All the details from their origin to the time they've been here to their overarching agenda. Just pure, unfiltered, wild-eyed speculation. Hope you enjoy! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 63 Likely Disclosure Scenarios
Send a textWhat's actually going to happen? I've thought hard about it and this is what I think is likely. 1. A Presidential Address2. An NHI Reveal3. A Gradual RealizationIn this fun, punchy episode, I tease out these possibilities and drive toward what I think we should be doing to prepare for and encourage them. Happy holidays everyone. I wish you and your loved ones all a peaceful, healthy season. <3 Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees |Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ | Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 5UFO Media Criticism
Send a textThe main engines of American news media do a terrible job covering UFOs. What should they resolve to improve? Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 4How Should We Think About Disclosure?
Send a textI'd like to start a conversation here and invite you to participate. Please meet us on our YouTube Community page to engage in the discussion: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO/communityMusic by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinSupport the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 3What Should We Do About UFOs?
Send a textI've been making WTUFO since the summer of 2024, so I take an episode here to share what I think is happening with UFOs, what my show is for, and what we should all do about this wild situation. Thank you for listening! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join The bullet points I cover in this episode are: 1. What Is Happening?a) NHI on Earthb) Military Secretsc) Emerging Physics2. What Is WTUFO For?a) Normalizing the UFO Conversation b) Exploring Different Perspectives c) Finding Action Steps3. What Should We Do?a) Wake People Upb) Fund More Sciencec) Engage Publicly With NHII'd love to hear what you think! Come chime in on YouTube or at the show's Patreon Page.Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 2Brenda Denzler ~ Jinn, UFOs and Religious Trickster Creatures
Send a textBrenda is a mostly retired writer, editor, and sometime speaker currently living in rural North Carolina. She received her Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University in 1998 and is the author of The Lure of the Edge: Scientific Passions, Religious Beliefs, and the Pursuit of UFOs, (University of California Press, 2001), a couple of invited chapters in scholarly books on religion and the UFO sub-culture, and a few articles on UFOs and religion. Her current interest is in mining humanity’s folkloric and religious traditions to better understand the provenance and nature of “the gods,” the gentry, elementals, jinn, angels/demons, and similar entities in terms that treat them as something other than fictions with no more substance than mirrors into which we look to regulate, console, or understand ourselves as human beings.Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S7 Ep 1Dr. Jim Madden ~ Thinking Carefully About UAP
Send a textDr. James Madden teaches philosophy at Benedictine College. He's written three books, including "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World." We discuss how to think carefully about UAP, the probabilities of their origins, the tension between caution and productive investigation, what it would take to prove UAP are nonhuman, and the possibilities of contact. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Join WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Jim's Papers: https://www.jdmadden.com/philosophy-course Jim's Substack: https://jdmadden.substack.com/ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 13Karin Austin ~ Director of the Center for the Impossible at Rice University, Executive Director of the John Mack Institute
ESend a textKarin Austin leads both the Center for the Impossible at Rice University and the John Mack Institute.In the 1990's, Karin worked with the late Harvard psychiatrist, John E. Mack, M.D., contributing her own experiences to his research into the abduction phenomenon, and eventually transitioning into the role of his personal assistant. After Dr. Mack's death in 2004, Karin was pivotal in helping Dr. Mack's family close his estate, an effort that eventually led to collaborating with Wilson Research Center's Head of Special Collections, Amanda Focke, and Rice University's Dr. Jeff Kripal, to transfer and digitize a major donation of Dr. Mack's phenomenon-related materials. The archives of the Center for the Impossible have grown to include collections from more than a dozen UFO researchers. Karin is leading the effort to digitize these materials, preserving them for future investigation and making them increasingly accessible for scientifically rigorous data analysis. The specific nature of this work makes up the bulk of our conversation. We also discuss Karin's views of the phenomenon and her perspective on how humanity should proceed as we steadily learn more about it. Show Links: Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/joinCenter for the Impossible Records Collection: https://archives.library.rice.edu/repositories/2/classifications/25?&page=1 Archives of the Impossible Home: https://impossiblearchives.rice.edu/ John Mack Institute Home: http://johnemackinstitute.org/ Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 12Dr. Stephen Bruehl ~ Coauthor of Transient Papers
Send a textDr. Stephen Bruehl cowrote two blockbuster papers on transient points of light in 1950s astronomy pictures. He explains to us why these findings are unlikely to be anything other than reflective physical objects in geosynchronous orbit. Join WTUFO:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Multiple Transients Paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/ae0afe Nuclear Association Paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-21620-3 Press Release: https://www.su.se/english/news/unexpected-patterns-in-historical-astronomical-observations-1.855042 Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 11Jim Quirk ~ Encounter Experiencer, UFO Witness, Podcast Host
ESend a textJim's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/QuirkZone Jim's Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4DxSG1jjl1gPnF6xYrU2Cz Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 10Seth Borkowski ~ Host of The Spiritual Skeptic
ESend a textSeth has a masters in psychology and works in fintech. He also podcasts about aliens with a cheerfully comedic bent. You can fond his show The Spiritual Skeptic here: https://thespiritualskeptic.buzzsprout.com/Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 9Dr. Brett Robinson ~ Notre Dame Media Studies Professor
Send a textBrett's faculty page: https://mcgrath.nd.edu/about/faculty-staff/brett-robinson-ph-d/ Brett's Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA0ah6Xmqus Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the showSupport WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

S6 Ep 8Nicola Mitchell ~ Independent Journalist
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S6 Ep 7Sarah Gamm ~ USACE Scientist, Former Intelligence Analyst with NRO, NGA, ODNI, Lockheed, Boeing, SAIC
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