
WT 360: The market from all angles
Nick Wakeman, Ross Wilkers · Nick Wakeman
Show overview
WT 360: The market from all angles has been publishing since 2018, and across the 8 years since has built a catalogue of 321 episodes. That works out to roughly 150 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a fortnightly cadence.
Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 22 min and 32 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. It is catalogued as a EN-language Business show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 3 days ago, with 16 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2020, with 54 episodes published. Published by Nick Wakeman.
From the publisher
WT 360 is where the conversation takes place on what’s driving the federal government market now and where the sector is going. Editor-In-Chief Nick Wakeman and Senior Staff Reporter Ross Wilkers look at the market from all angles through interviews with industry executives and informed observers of the sector.
Latest Episodes
View all 321 episodesNextGov/FCW’s David DiMolfetta on CISA’s catchup, federal AI policy and offensive cyber
NextGov/FCW’s Edward Graham on the world’s AI and robotics leadership race
GovCon’s new world order requires hard pivots
Noblis and its next 30 years
Arcfield and the modern era’s space races
Ep 316NextGov/FCW’s Natalie Alms on the early days of DOGE and its cost-cut decisions
Cuts to contract and grant spending, including outright cancellations, were a feature of the Department of Government Efficiency’s activities during the first year of the Trump administration and some lawsuits followed from those impacted. Natalie Alms, senior correspondent at NextGov/FCW, worked with our colleague and fellow senior reporter Eric Katz at Government Executive to watch 23 hours of testimony in one of those cases that sheds light on DOGE’s goals and the pressures to meet them. “Nat” joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to explain what she and Eric discovered in reporting out a story that is still working its way through the judicial system, but is showing enough of the atmosphere and environment surrounding DOGE. Nat also goes over her findings on how some technologists joining the government workforce can remain connected to their private sector employers and summarizes the White House budget office’s ongoing review of federal contracts. If you have a tip you'd like to share, Natalie Alms can be securely contacted at nalms.41 on Signal. Inside DOGE’s early days of pressure campaigns, rule breaking and ‘chaos’ DOJ clears the way for government to hire technologists still connected to their private sector employers Contract reviews continue at OMB, official says Federal CIO tapped for dual-hatted role at GSA Agencies lost around 20,000 tech workers last year — and now the Trump admin is hiring Inside the federal CIO’s culture-first approach Trump admin launches US Tech Force to recruit temporary workers after shedding thousands this year
Ep 315GovCon’s vital signs point to DHS’ partial closure, Anthropic’s possible exit and the FAR Overhaul
GovCon finds itself in a strange situation where the Homeland Security Department does not have a budget and is in a shutdown, but the three immigration agencies are still operating with some funds. How is that possible? Stephanie Kostro, president of the Professional Services Council, joins Nick and Ross for this episode to lay out how that is and the DHS funding lapse’s myriad impacts on industry and society. Their conversation then turns to what contractors are seeking to learn and understand from the U.S. government’s very public breakup with Anthropic, which will take months to complete, and what to watch for next in the Federal Acquisition Regulation overhaul effort. The Revolutionary FAR Overhaul is far from the only policy item contractors should pay attention to in 2026, as Kostro explains. Trump's new DHS nominee promises some changes, adequate staffing amid shutdown-induced departures CISA to furlough most of its workforce under impending DHS shutdown Path to averting a shutdown remains elusive as lawmakers debate DHS funding Microsoft takes Anthropic's side in DOD fight, warns it sets a new precedent WT 360: Nextgov/FCW’s Alexandra Kelley on the government’s breakup with Anthropic Anthropic sues over a dozen federal agencies and government leaders The FAR overhaul rewrote the rules, but now comes the hard part The hardest part of FAR reform is culture, not the rules GSA set to begin its rulemaking push for the FAR overhaul Small businesses face upheaval under the acquisition overhaul and agency cuts
Ep 314All about the paths forward for SAIC, Anthropic, resellers and 8(a) companies
Science Applications International Corp. can move ahead on their big decision points now that it has a permanent chief executive, which presents at least one element of certainty in a world replete with unknowns. Nick and Ross use this episode as a starting point for looking at SAIC’s next steps under CEO Jim Reagan, and the paths forward for several other key business and policy storylines in the public sector landscape. Anthropic’s fight against the U.S. government’s push to eject it from the market has industry-wide implications to unpack, as does the future of IT resellers and 8(a) companies amid their customer’s scrutiny on those corners of the market. Nick and Ross also break down why organizational culture is crucial for the Federal Acquisition Regulation overhaul effort. SAIC's board stays with Reagan, names him full-time CEO SAIC plans partial pivot away from enterprise IT Microsoft takes Anthropic's side in DOD fight, warns it sets a new precedent Anthropic sues over a dozen federal agencies and government leaders WT 360: Nextgov/FCW’s Alexandra Kelley on the government’s breakup with Anthropic Government equity investments open a new frontier for industry OPINION: Federal equity investments raise troubling questions about picking winners and losers L3Harris to spin off its rocket motor business with the Pentagon as an anchor investor OPINION: The government's 'passive' Intel stake heightens their commitment to each other and winning the chip wars ‘We will have their backs:’ GSA pushes culture shift for FAR changes The hardest part of FAR reform is culture, not the rules FAR overhaul targets risk-averse acquisition culture GSA wants answers from resellers about markups and equipment maker relationships Don’t count out resellers as OneGov agreements grow Where GSA sees resellers fitting into its unified procurement strategy SBA boots 628 more companies from 8(a) program 8(a) program faces unprecedented pressure from Trump administration attacks SBA probing 8(a) fraud allegations at tribal-owned contractor
Ep 313Nextgov/FCW’s Alexandra Kelley on the government’s breakup with Anthropic
The Defense Department and Anthropic are on opposite ends of a nasty disagreement, with government-wide and industry-wide implications, over what the company’s Claude large language model and other offerings can be used for. Alexandra Kelley, our Nextgov/FCW colleague who covers emerging tech, has extensively covered the fallout from that impasse as agencies are working to comply with President Trump’s executive order to stop using Claude after the Pentagon essentially broke up with Anthropic. “Alexa,” as we and other GovExec colleagues call her, joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to explain how those phase-out processes are taking place and provide an initial look at the government’s AI landscape without Anthropic in it. Claude is embedded in so many workflows across government that fully removing it is not a matter of simply deleting the app, as Alexa points out. Private sector, former military leaders urge Congress intervene in Pentagon-Anthropic dispute House amendment responding to Pentagon-Anthropic conflict fails committee vote Defense tech enters a new era: the case of Anthropic and the DOD Pentagon’s war on Anthropic based on ‘dubious’ legal thinking and ideology—not real risk, sources say Agencies begin to shed Anthropic contracts following Trump’s directive Trump directs government to ‘immediately cease’ using Anthropic technology It would take the Pentagon months to replace Anthropic’s AI tools: sources Anthropic CEO defends support for AI regulations, alignment with Trump policies Anthropic CEO sees 3 areas where policymakers can help with AI GSA and Anthropic ink deal for Claude AI across all government branches AWS GovCloud gets high-level security approvals for Anthropic and Meta AI models Anthropic introduces new Claude Gov models with national security focus AI startup Anthropic to build out public sector team
Ep 312Enabled Intelligence’s blueprint for the data labeling challenge
Data labeling refers to the practice of tagging and identifying raw data in order to add meaningful context, of which U.S. government agencies openly admit they struggle with and ask industry for help in. Peter Kant, founder and chief executive of Enabled Intelligence, started the company in March 2020 to specialize in data labeling work that also relies on continuous training and retraining of artificial intelligence models. Kant joins for this episode to explain how Enabled Intelligence tailors large language models for use in national security environments where the out-of-the-box tools are not quite ready to be in the hands of operators. In talking with our Ross Wilkers, Kant also describes how the company’s capture of a contract called Sequoia helps shed light on how the government is looking at the challenge of grasping all the data it has.
Ep 311Generative AI’s pitfalls and potential benefits in GovCon law
Humans in the loop are, in theory, supposed to be as much a part of all conversations surrounding the use of generative artificial intelligence tools as a way to safeguard against major mistakes. But as GovCon attorney David Timm has found out, errors showing misuse of the technology are starting to come up in bid protests and other legal rulings that show what can go wrong when relying on the tech too much. Timm, a partner at the law firm Burr & Forman, joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to share his findings from those decisions and how they could help set some guardrails for the use of GenAI in GovCon law. Even with the problems he sees, Timm is an optimist for how the tech can remove what he calls “Entropy” from workflows and make some tasks easier. Gen-AI Misuse in Procurement Litigation Procurement is Not "Oready" for GenAI Misuse Can a federal agency adopt the output of a Gen-AI bid evaluation tool? Buying Blind: Corruption Risk and the Erosion of Oversight in Federal AI Procurement
Ep 310All about the landscape of government-wide contracts in 2026
Consolidation and “common goods and services” dominate the discussion around how the federal government wants to revamp its contracting functions, including moves to put the General Services Administration at the center of it all.Leo Alvarez and Dylan Schreiner, respectively principal and GovCon senior manager at Baker Tilly, are fielding many questions from industry clients on what this landscape looks like and how to map their business strategies to it.In this episode, Leo and Dylan walk our Ross Wilkers through some of the big-ticket vehicles to watch in 2026 and how they help illustrate the government’s push to make contracting more straight-forward for every stakeholder.Navigating a world of fewer contracting officers and other key acquisition pros inside government also features in the discussion, plus what this all means for small businesses.GSA quietly rolls out CMMC-like cybersecurity framework for contractorsNew OMB memo lays out GSA's plan to consolidate contractsNITAAC finally pulls the plug on CIO-SP4GSA re-opens OASIS+ to new bids, shifts to continuous approachGSA to take over SEWP VI contract ‘sooner rather than later’Alliant 3's final solicitation hits the streetsArmy gets moving again on bundled recompete of professional services, IT vehiclesAir Force Research Lab opens proposal window for $10B vehiclePentagon halts $15B Advana recompete draft solicitation
Ep 309Defense One’s Lauren Williams on industrial base management matters and pressure points
Pressure points on defense companies from their Pentagon customer to invest more and do business differently than before are coming from multiple levels of leadership, including President Trump himself.Lauren Williams, business editor at our partner publication Defense One, canvasses the perspectives and opinions of industry pros on that matter to help put together the Defense Business Brief newsletter that goes out every Monday.Lauren joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to break down those different pressure points, including Trump’s executive order barring companies from stock repurchases and issuing dividends until they invest more in tech development and production.But as Lauren also explains, that executive order is only one of several examples of the U.S. military customer taking a more direct involvement in shaping the kind of industrial base it wants.WT 360: Defense One's Lauren Williams on the new world order of acquisitionDOE seeks batteries with four times the juiceDefense Business Brief: Thales’ frigate pivot + 2026 lookahead with Leonardo DRSDefense Business Brief: Exec order fallout; $1B rocket-maker deal; Acquisition changes, and moreTrump lambastes defense CEOs over pay, stock buybacksDefense Business Brief: US-made biotech; Rocketdyne; Hegseth’s industry tours‘Very, very strange time’: After a big 2025, what’s next for the defense industry?Hegseth hints at higher defense budgets as OMB says another reconciliation bill is possibleUnveiling acquisition overhaul, Hegseth tells industry to get with the programWhy DOD is so bad at buying software
Ep 308One founder’s guide for helping agencies with their tech roadmaps
Commercial technology is front-and-center of everyone’s mind across the public sector ecosystem these days, but history shows that agencies have moved slow on the acquisition and adoption fronts here.Sheila Duffy, founder and chief executive of Greystones Group, views these efforts as grounded in collaboration as customer and contractor both have to agree on the roadmap for development and implementation.Duffy joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to go over keys for good collaborations with agencies on rolling out modern tools and how Small Business Innovation Research programs can be a pathway to accomplish that.Any conversation about commercial tech in government has to include security. This one is no exception.
Ep 307GovCon’s atlas for 2026 starts to take shape
Post-shutdown recovery is one item carrying over from calendar year 2025 into 2026 and the chance of another funding stoppage happening on Jan. 30 is not zero percent.That here-and-now is the starting point of this episode where Stephanie Smith, GovCon industry senior analyst and valuation services director at RSM, takes us through some of the major themes and talking points that will shape the ecosystem in 2026.How do we define the “non-traditional contractor” and what do their prospects look like? As Steph tells our Ross Wilkers, technical definitions and terms for talking about these companies are moving targets.Steph and Ross also went over artificial intelligence’s impacts to contractors’ business models, key macroeconomics and industrial policy developments for GovCon to monitor, and qualitative drivers of true value in a business.
Ep 306Nightwing’s path in the market as an independent business
The spring of 2024 was a turning point for Nightwing, when the business separated out of its then-parent RTX to become a standalone company focused on cybersecurity and intelligence solutions.Chris Jones joined Nightwing later that fall as chief technology officer following service as the CIA’s associate deputy director for science and technology. Jones joins for this episode to put into perspective how Nightwing has sought to carve out its own path in the market and priority areas for the company going forward.In talking with our Ross Wilkers, Jones also explains the role of companies like Nightwing in helping their government agencies customers navigate changes in how they operate even if the overall missions remain the same.Artificial intelligence and other automation technologies in the cyber landscape is also on the discussion agenda. All tech conversations end back up at AI these days, after all.Nightwing acquires managed security services providerNightwing appoints Coleman as chief executiveWhat the mystery buyer of RTX's cyber business is getting
Ep 305How GovCon is crossing the bridge from 2025 to 2026
Most years of a presidential transition result in some adjustments by the government contracting community as a new administration settles in, but 2025 presented more variables to GovCon than ever before.Stephanie Kostro, president of the Professional Services Council, fields many questions from PSC’s member companies about what is happening across the ecosystem. Kostro joins Nick and Ross for this episode to unpack some that were answered in 2025 and others that remain unanswered for 2026, including the prospects of a second shutdown following the last one.How the Department of Government Efficiency’s influence remains over GovCon is one of those that has some answers. As Kostro explains, DOGE’s presence at the agency level is something GovCon will have to account for in 2026.The government’s acquisition overhaul to emphasize speed and commercial buying also has open questions from industry that Kostro walks Nick and Ross through. Small business contracting in today’s climate, bid protests and the Fiscal Year 2026 National Defense Authorization Act also feature in the discussion.WT 360: Known risks and potential rewards in the post-shutdown catchupWT 360: Action items for contractors in the shutdown’s second weekShutdown’s end just the beginning as contractors face months-long recoveryContractors quantify shutdown damage as stoppages spread across missionsDOGE is no longer a 'centralized entity,' personnel chief saysDOGE caucus co-chair says the cost-cutting unit’s work will continueDOGE guts HHS small business office in reorg effortGSA adds third set of companies to consulting contract reviewDOGE now has approval authority for defense IT, consulting contractsSmall businesses face upheaval under the acquisition overhaul and agency cutsSBA orders 8(a) companies to turn over financial recordsUnveiling acquisition overhaul, Hegseth tells industry to get with the programGSA set to begin its rulemaking push for the FAR overhaulNew OMB memo lays out GSA's plan to consolidate contractsTechnology Modernization Fund reauthorization not included in NDAADefense authorization bill includes billions for cyber, intelligence matters
Ep 304American Systems and its next 50 years
American Systems opened for business in 1975 and transitioned to an employee stock ownership plan 15 years later, a model that makes it one of the market’s largest 100% ESOP companies.CEO John Steckel joins for this episode to help mark American Systems’ 50th anniversary and explains some moves it has made this year to set the company up for the next 50, including its largest-ever acquisition.In talking with our Ross Wilkers, Steckel lays out what the purchase of Epsilon brings to American Systems and larger trends in managed services that led to the transaction. Secured data centers are part of that equation too and increasingly reflect larger conversations in society, as Steckel explains.Of course, American Systems’ status as an ESOP features in the conversation too. American Systems (No. 87) is one of three ESOP companies on the 2025 WT Top 100 ranking alongside Torch Technologies (No. 66) and DCS Corp. (No. 77).
Ep 303Defense One's Lauren Williams on the new world order of acquisition
In his Nov. 7 address to industry, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth laid out what the U.S. military wants from its contractors and wholesale changes the Pentagon is carrying out to make agile acquisitions a reality.Lauren Williams, senior editor at Defense One who covers the industrial base, was there in-person and joins our Ross Wilkers for this episode to walk through those structural changes that prior Defense Department leaders have spoken about for years.One major theme of that dialogue has been DOD’s desire to have more commercial technologies, which has been easier said than done. But as Lauren explains, the push to “go commercial” is more than just about the product being bought.Also on this episode’s discussion agenda: what the defense industrial base has been up to during the shutdown and why prototyping is becoming more popular across the ecosystem.Unveiling acquisition overhaul, Hegseth tells industry to get with the programDefense tech companies will weather the shutdown. But what happens next?Experts see promise, risk in Pentagon’s draft acquisition reformsMeet the White House pick to conquer the ‘Valley of Death’With cautious optimism, some defense firms lock in on prototypes to drive demand
Ep 302Known risks and potential rewards in the post-shutdown catchup
The 2025 government shutdown is on-record as the largest ever at 43 days, which means the recovery period will last well into the spring and presents a risky environment for contractors to operate in.Christine Williamson, a partner in the GovCon industry advisory practice at CohnReznick, joins for this episode to walk through five risks she and her colleague Kristen Soles identified as ones companies must watch out for and ways for responding to them.As Williamson tells our Ross Wilkers, there is much excitement across the entire ecosystem to get back to work and understanding there is a long road ahead to get government’s engine back to where it was pre-shutdown.The article Williamson and Soles co-authored is below to read along during the conversation.Government shutdown FAQ for contractors: Today’s risks and what’s next