Wise Men Say

Stephen, Gareth, Rory and Michael Lough get together for the first relegation party of the next few weeks. Strap yourself in for some hot, hot depression. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It was all too little, too late. A canny performance, but it probably dug up more questions than answers for David Moyes. Stephen is back and joins Gareth, Rory and Michael Lough in an all WMS affair. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're getting to the stage where the undertaker is going to have to replace the coffin, such is the residual damage from the constant hammering of nails in the aforementioned casket of relegationy goodness. Sunderland seemed to be there in body and not in spirit as they limped to a 0-3 home reverse to Manchester United. Is there anything good about us at the moment? We're all scratching our heads. No Stephen this week, so Gareth is joined by WMS contributors Rory Fallow and Richard Easterbrook as well as local celeb and all round top bloke, Frankie Francis. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Would another manager have got more out of this group of players than 20 points? It's Wilkinson/McCarthy-esque and some of the Wise Men Say team have utterly and completely lost faith in David Moyes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What a dire game and what a dire result. An increasingly frustrated fan bas and with a manager under no real pressure, there's a lot of beef flying about. British beef, of course. Stephen, Gareth and Rory are joined my ALS Fanzine's Chris Thompson and The Evening Chronicle's James Hunter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We look back on another brilliant result for the lads in red and white, as we took another step towards securing the Relegation Trophy after a 0-2 defeat to Manchester City. Stephen and Gareth are joined by former Northern Echo sports writer, and current WMS contributor, Richard Mason as well as BBC Radio Newcastle's Nick Barnes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Another bad result and things look bleak, but on the other hand we're still well within touching distance of safety. A non descript defeat at Everton to discuss should be delightful. Joining Stephen and Gareth are Richard Mennear of the Sunderland Echo and WMS contributor Michael Lough. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, wasn't that the most Sunderland thing in the world to do?We shouldn't even be surprised that we followed up a 4-0 win with a 4-0 loss, knowing that a win would have taken us outside the relegation zone.And we aren't. No Gareth this week, so Stephen, Rory and Craig talked about the game, the squad and the New York trip. The club's New York trip that is. We aren't at the level to be touring to New York ourselves. Yet... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've been away the last few weeks, but what a time to be alive. Sunderland 4-0 up at half time, sticking one up Allardyce and PVA in the process. A massive result, and the bottom 6 looks tighter than a really, really tight thing.No Stephen this week, so Gareth is joined by Rory Fallow and The Sunderland Echo's Phil Smith. There's also the triumphant return of Craig Clark. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

An absolutely disastrous performance against Stoke leaves us full of woe. We talk about anything but the game. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A drab cup tie against Burnley means we've yet another fixture to contend with. Hurray. We talk about the game, cup attendances and other stuff anarl.Joining Stephen and Gareth in the studio is The Sunderland Echo's new Sunderland writer, Phil Smith and WMS regular, Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Four wins in the last seven games and Sunderland are on the brink of safety at Christmas. Who would have thought that would be the case after ten games played? Who would have thought Papy Djilobodji and Donald Love would be imperious during our 1-0 against Watford? A welcome pre-Christmas treat, I'm sure you'd all agree.It's an all WMS affair tonight with Rory Fallow and Gary Foster joining Gareth and Stephen in the studio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Back down to earth with a bump. Just when you think we might be getting somewhere we go and do what we do. Typical Sunderland. Gareth, Stephen and Rory are joined in the studio by Frankie from Frankie and the Heartstrings. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Three wins in four for the lads in red and white and there's a bit of a buzz about the place. We're joined by Damian Spellman of the Press Association to chew the fat over Sunderland's latest success. Get the rave on! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A defeat to Liverpool - not really that surprising. What would have been surprising a few weeks back is that spirits are quite high on Wearside. What a difference it can make when your side looks like they have a plan... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We love winning now. Sunderland's Champion's League surge continued with a convincing 3-0 home victory over Hull City. We discuss the game with WMS regular Rory Fallow and ALS stalwart Paul 'Sobs' Dobson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The WMS team travelled to Manchester for a special live show during the international break. Gary Bennett and Nick Barnes joined Stephen and Gareth on stage. Just like in London earlier in the year, drink had been taken. Content probably gets progressively more alcohol affected as the night goes on, so sorry about that! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Winner winner, chicken dinner! We can bask in victory for the next fortnight and it feels canny. It's an all WMS affair tonight with Stephen, Gareth, Craig and Rory in the studio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Take us around the back of the barn and shoot us in the head. No Stephen tonight, but Gareth is joined by WMS regular, Rory Fallow. We also have George Caulkin of The Times and Chris Thompson from A Love Supreme. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Why? What's the point? Just two of the questions we'll answer on tonight's show. We're joined by WMS contributor Gary Foster and The Sunderland Echo's Richard Mennear. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Football is rubbish. We moan about it loads. Rory joins us once more as well as ALS editor, Chris Thompson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A draw, in a must win game at home to West Brom? NEVER?We should be gutted, we're in trouble. Well, we are a little bit, but it's not often we have anything positive to talk about and a late equalizer produces that for us. Ha'way let's keep going until we lose at Stoke and West Ham at least? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rubbish, innit? We have a right good moan about that garbage on Saturday against Palace. Stephen and Gareth are joined by WMS regular Rory Fallow and The Chronicle's James Hunter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gareth is off holidaying in Portugal so Stephen Goldsmith and Rory Fallow were joined by former fanzine editor Tom Lynn and Roker Report maestro Gavin Henderson to discuss the awfulness we're all going through at present.Am I selling this to you? These ones are normally the best to be honest. Listen in. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sunderland did that thing where they were rubbish again. Another capitulation raises plenty of questions and they'll be discussed by freelancer Graeme Anderson and The Roker Report's Michael Bowers. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Frustratingly, Sunderland continued their run of not winning in August since 2010. Still though, it was a canny performance by the lads at Southampton and it should have yielded three points. This week we've got WMS regulars Gary Spalding and Rory fallow joining Gareth Barker and Roker Report's Gavin Henderson making his podcast debut. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I’m sure we’ve been here before. Any hope or optimism amongst the Sunderland support seems to have evaporated within record time this year, so we have a big old whinge about the home defeat to Middlesbrough. In the studio we have ALS editor Chris Thompson and WMS regulars Rory Fallow and Craig Clark. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A defeat at City was disappointing, but the performance was canny. We discuss the game with The Evening Chronicle's James Hunter and Athletico Mince's Andy Dawson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're back with a very special live show. Recorded live at Southwark Brewery, London on July 30th, we preview Sunderland's upcoming campaign with the help of Guardian journalist and podcaster, Barry Glendenning.It was a fantastic evening and it couldn't have happened if it wasn't for the guys at the brewery, the people that bought the tickets and listeners at home. This recording is courtesy of Richard Shaw and his crew. Richard is a London based fan and got in touch with us asking if he could record it. You've got him to thank for this, as do we!In the first half we discussed...erm. Can't remember. Soz. What do they put in the booze down there?The second half gets a touch rowdy, but this was essentially a piss up in a brewery. What could possibly have gone wrong? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're staying up, they're going down, we're staying up, they're going down... Join us for the final WMS of the season. Regulars Craig Clark and Rory Fallow get amongst it. Happy times. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It was a frustrating encounter at The Brittania, but we managed to get out with a point. Unfortunately we're back in the bottom three and we're going to need to see an improved performance in the coming weeks if we're to survive. It's still in our hands. In the studio this week we've got WMS regular Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Another pretty good performance saw The Lads get a point against Arsenal. The KKK excelled once more. Would it be greedy of us to be disappointed we didn't pick up all three points? We're out the relegation zone though, so that's canny. In the studio this week we've got ALS stalwart Paul 'Sobs' Dobson and WMS regulars Craig Clark and Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, well, well. The lads only went and won at Carrow Road, knowing a defeat would have almost certainly consigned them to relegation. Stephen Goldsmith is joined by the Sunderland Echo's Chris Young and Rory Fallow to talk about it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Defeat to Leicester. A frustrating game. A miss of the season contender from Rodwell. If we don't win next week then we're probably cooked. Joining us to discuss our latest disappointment is the Evening Chronicle's James Hunter and WMS regular Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There's a pattern emerging. It involves Sunderland playing well enough to win and then not winning. It's annoying, isn't it? The pressure is on now but do we believe we can still stay up? Joining us is former Sunderland Echo writer and freelance journalist Graeme Anderson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nine derbies undefeated and another good performance, unfortunately we couldn't hang on. Should we have been hanging on? A draw not the worst result in the world, but we're back in the bottom three. We'll talk about all that kind of stuff and more. This week we're joined by WMS regular Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gutted. We might have just got over Saturday and now we all get to relive it. Great stuff. We're joined by The Sunderland Echo's Chris Young and WMS regular, Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We pick over the West Ham defeat with BBC Radio Newcastle's Nick Barnes and preview the Palace game with Five Year Plan's Jim Daly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Winning is good. We talk about beating Manchester United and get a bit excited. Rory Fallow makes yet another appearance and we're also joined by local commentary legend and broadcaster, Roger Tames. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

After a decent performance against Manchester City, we managed to get ourselves a draw at Anfield. Somehow. We'll discuss the result, Billy Jones, hear from Sam, probably talk about Billy Jones some more. Listen in. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A draw against Bournemouth wasn't want we wanted, let's be honest. Yet half an hour into the game, even that looked way beyond us. There's been a lot made of Sam's comments on respecting the point has thrown up quite a debate. We'll hear him make that comment and debate ourselves on it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Goldy, Gaz Foster and Richard Mennear from the Sunderland Echo discuss the loss at Spurs - and an unforgettable debut by a lad called Jan! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Goldy, Craig Clark and the Chronicle's SAFC reporter, James Hunter talk about Sunderland's loss to Arsenal and the upcoming game against Swansea. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In what is a bit of a bonus episode, we discuss the much needed win against Aston Villa. We've had many false dawns with the lads over recent years, so beating a side somehow worse than us isn't enough to fool us. Or is it? Maybe the team should be cut some slack. Or should they?Listen, eh, and find out. Goldy is with WMS lads Craig Clark and Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In what is the last WMS of 2015 (ITL is still going, so don't worry) we discuss the predictable turn around by a Mourinho-less Chelsea. What makes the whole thing even less bearable (if that's possible) is the sudden form of sides around us. Bastards. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Alright, well if last week we were positive after defeat, this week gives a different feel. While the first 20 minutes were shocking - we were certainly *alright* after that. It's not enough though, is it? Or is it? Have Newcastle and Bournemouth suddenly turned into Bayern Munich or will they revert back to being rubbish so that we can continue to be rubbish and get away with it?Tom Lynne makes a WMS return and is joined by our own Gary Spalding. James Hunter off the Chronicle makes his hundred millionth appearance on the pod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

SAFC lost and Newcastle and Bournemouth duly won - sending them second bottom. We should be down, right? It doesn't seem so. Stephen Goldsmith, Craig Clark, Rory Fallow and the Sunderland Echo's Chris Young discussed the game. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Two wins on the bounce, what a delight. We pick the bones out of a comprehensive victory over Stoke with our own Craig Clark and PLTV's Rob Scanlon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We won a game of football. Let's not get excited all at once, but it's nice to talk about positive things from time to time. No Stephen this week, so hairy philosopher Craig Clark gets involved. We've also got WMS new boy Rory Fallow lending a voice, as well as Roker Report contributor Graeme Atkinson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Was that the worst game of football seen at the Stadium of Light in recent times? Difficult to say, there's some stiff competition...Joining us in the studio is man from the internet, among other things, Andy Dawson plus WMS regular and Fisherman's Friend, Craig Clark. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.