Wise Men Say

Why can't we all be happy for a bit longer? Why, Sunderland? WHY? We look over the latest defeat to Reading and try and figure out how it went so badly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're all on a high after last week's win at Burton, now can The Lads finally get that long awaited home win against Reading? Phil Smith of The Sunderland Echo helps us preview the game in the studio, we hear from Chris Coleman and we get a Reading view from journalist, Courtney Friday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We won a game and we can smile for a bit. It seems Chris Coleman has done something right in the last week, with the team and the fans galvanised. We discuss the Burton result as well as the impact of Coleman. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A trip to Burton always seems to be the subject of a joke when any side is relegated from the Premier League, "enjoy your trip to Burton" and all that. Well, they are above us in the league along with every other side so there's only one way we are going to enjoy this trip and that's to get something. Nay, get a win. Stephen, Gareth and Rory chat about the aforementioned game and the loss to Villa. Plus there's still a lot of Coleman love in the studio.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've got a new manager, and it's probably someone a little bit better than we thought we'd get. Chris Coleman is the latest in a long line of Sunderland managers, can he finally turn things around?We also discuss the Millwall game, reflecting on what was a battle of the goalkeepers. But which one was worse? It would be funny if it wasn't all so tragic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's over two weeks since the departure of Simon Grayson and still no new manager in sight. We don't appear to be any closer to a decision today either. Not ideal preparation the visit of. Millwall, which we need to win in order to avoid a record breaking 20th consecutive winless home game. Graeme Anderson joins the lads in the studio to discuss the latest at SAFC, as well as the new volume of The Tales from the Red and Whites. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stephen and Gareth are joined in the studio by regular Rory Fallow and Echo columnist Tony Gillan. With an international break upon us, the lads talk about who the club might bring in to replace Simon Grayson as well as the Boro defeat. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Simon Grayson's reign as SAFC boss lasted just 15 games, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who could make a case for him after Tuesday's awful home draw against Bolton. We talk about Grayson's dismissal and who might replace him, the Bolton game and preview the Middlesbrough match on Sunday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

More misery many positives to take in to Tuesday's game with Bolton. Stephen, Craig and Gareth are joined in the studio by Chris Weatherspoon, author of 'Short Changed'. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

No Gareth this week, so Stephen has a couple of guests in the studio to ease him through. He is joined by Phil Smith from the Sunderland Echo and Dave Rose from the FSF. Oh, they discuss the inevitable defeat to Bristol City also. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Was Saturday's display at Brentford the most 'Sunderlandy' of the season. The raw from the away terrace that propelled the players into the dressing room at half time was replaced at full time with boos, calls for the manager to go and chants of 'you're not fit to wear the shirt'. The next two home games could be make or break for Simon Grayson. Where's your money? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just Stephen and Gareth in the studio this week, but there's plenty going on! We hear from you via Twitter, the latest from Simon Grayson, get the view of former SAFC stopper David Preece on the goalkeeper situation and we also have Billy from Beesotted to help us preview Saturday's game at Brentford. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

An insipid display from Sunderland and we find ourselves searching still for a first home win in 2017. Is there too much wrong for anyone to fix right now? Many appear to be losing the faith in the club, players and manager.We discuss the QPR game and more with Sunderland writer Tom Lynn. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sunderland went into the international break with a decent draw away to Preston, but they have to get a home win against QPR this weekend surely? We've only been waiting 10 months! We hear from the gaffa, Simon Grayson, on our latest Championship test.We're joined in the studio by The Chronicle's James Hunter and we also hear from QPR fan, Steve Colwell. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, we didn't lose and that's something isn't it? Frustrating not to get three points, but The Lads showed good character to get back into the game after our mini collapse. Is it all too little too late, or is there something to build on?Stephen, Gareth, Rory and Michael discuss all that jazz AND MORE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Eight defeats in nine for Sunderland, the latest an absolutely abhorrent defeat at Ipswich Town. A comical performance and more questions than answers for the players and the management.Tonight we are joined by Dave Rose who is heavily involved in the new fan lead group, The Red and White Army. Matthew Keeling also makes his WMS debut. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Another defeat to add to the list, and more misery before a tricky Tuesday night trip to Portman Road to face Ipswich Town We talk about all that jazz and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Yes it was just the cup, but that Everton display was woeful. Should we have looked at some younger players? Did we even want to win the game? We look ahead to Cardiff on Saturday too, which is surely a must win. Joining Stephen and Gareth in the studio is The Chronicle's James Hunter.Also, remember to join us upstairs at The Peacock on Saturday before the game where we'll preview the Cardiff City match live with former Sunderland midfielder Gordon Armstrong! You can ask him your questions, there's also retro SAFC videos on the big screen as well as food and drink promotions. All kicking off at 12:30pm. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Some positives to take from the draw at Hull, but massively frustrating that we decided to sit back in the second half, eventually succumbing to a David Meyler equaliser. It was like West Ham last season all over again, all out defence, right backs galore and a late goal. But who is to blame? Gareth, Stephen, Frankie Francis and Michael Lough discuss all that and more. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Let's get together and have a good old twist about everything. Four defeats on the bounce, one goal in four games. What seemed a promising start to the season has been well and truly ended. However, were there any positives to take from Tuesday's defeat to Nottingham Forest? Gareth might have some...WMS regular Michael Lough and The Sunderland Echo's Phil Smith join the lads in the studio to preview the Hull City Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Most of us appeared to walk away from the Sheffield United defeat feeling like we'd had a repeat of that 8-0 walloping at Southampton. On a positive note, we have Kieron Brady in the studio in place of Gareth Barker. We hear from Simon Grayson Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stephen and Gareth are joined by former Sunderland Echo sports writer Graeme Anderson and WMS regular Michael Lough to preview this weekend's game at home to Sheffield United. We talk transfers, recovering from two consecutive defeats and also hear from James Shield of The Sheffield Star. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On Saturday 2nd of September we travelled down to London and took up residence at the excellent Southwark Brewery for a night of SAFC craic/crack. David Preece joined Stephen, Gareth and Rory on the panel. Craig milled about getting mortal under the guise of helper. It was a great trip yet again and we'd like to thank all of the people that came out to see us, Peter Jackson at the brewery, who was a terrific host as always, and Richard Shaw and his team for recording the show. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Going into the international break on the back of a win would've been nice but we didn't and it isn't. Stephen, Gareth and Rory discuss the Barnsley defeat, transfers, Khazri, players eating food in a restaurant on a Saturday night and take questions from listeners. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sunderland got back to winning ways mid week with a victory over Carlisle Utd in the League Cup. With one more league game to go before the international break, we could do with a second league win of the season at Oakwell on Saturday.Just Stephen and Gareth in the studio this week. We promise it isn't that bad. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sunderland suffered defeat for this first time this season against Leeds. They looked tired and in need of some squad reinforcement, but was it really that bad? We discuss the game and some views on where fans should or shouldn't be allowed to sit in the SoL.Stephen, Gareth and Rory are joined by The Times' George Caulkin in the studio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sunderland's unbeaten start to the season continued with a draw at Sheffield Wednesday. Can The Lads keep it going with, hopefully, a win against Leeds this weekend?Damian Spellman from the Press Association joins the lads in the studio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This Championship lark is canny, isn't it? A lovely old win down at Carrow Road and The Lads have their tails up. Now we head to Sheffield Wednesday hoping to keep that momentum going.Stephen is back (Wahey!) and Rory is back (Wahey!) and we've also got Gav Henderson from Roker Report. Strap yourselves in as we talk about WINNING. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A decent start to the new season means Sunderland can go into the games against Bury and Norwich City with a bit more confidence. We preview both games and get a Norwich view on Sunday's clash too.No Stephen again this week, so Gareth is joined by WMS contributor Richard Easterbrook and The Evening Chronicle's James Hunter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, Friday happened and it wasn't all that bad. A decent performance, a well earned point and plenty of effort from the lads in red and white. There's plenty to discuss in the studio, with WMS regulars Craig Clark and Gary Foster joining Gareth, as well as Chris Thompson from A Love Supreme. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A new season, but maybe not the optimism that should not all come with it.Sunderland begin their first Championship season in a decade at home to Derby County on the back of that awful game against Celtic. We get the lowdown on Simon Grayson from Simon Crabtree and hear from Derby County podcaster Chris Parsons. We also hear from the gaffer himself.No Stephen this week, so Gareth is joined by WMS contributor Craig Clark and The Sunderland Echo's Phil Smith. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Wise Men Say and Into The Light listeners,We’re delighted to say that every Thursday, we’ll be producing ‘Wise Men Say – The Preview Show with Sun FM’, replacing Into The Light.Every week we’ll be bringing you the usual in depth discussion and analysis surrounding Sunderland AFC, great guests from the world of journalism, ex players and of course, you, the fans.You’ll also get your post match review show every Monday evening, so that’s two shows a week.If you’re a regular subscriber to the Wise Men Say podcast then you don’t have to do anything.However, if you’re an Into The Light subscriber only, you need to subscribe to the Wise Men Say feed. You can subscribe on iTunes, listen or stream on Acast or use the RSS Feed to subscribe and listen. Alternatively you can stream it from the Sun FM website.We can’t wait to get started again and we hope you’ll be tuning in when the season starts in August.Thanks for listening!ACAST: https://www.acast.com/wisemensayITUNES: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/wise-men-say/id1053066214?mt=2 RSS FEED: http://rss.acast.com/wisemensay Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join us at The Southwark Brewery for another WMS live show on Saturday September 2nd! We’ll be joined by former Sunderland goalkeeper and journalist David Preece. Doors are at 7pm and tickets are available at wisemensay.co.uk for £10 (plus £1 booking fee). There’ll be plenty to discuss and it should be another great night. It was incredibly popular last time we did a show at the Brewery and it sold out in a couple of weeks, so I’d suggest you move fast! We look forward to seeing you there! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just when we thought we were out, Moyes pulls us back in. In an all WMS team affair, we discuss where we go after the resignation of David Moyes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In a season of abject displays, Saturday's pathetic showing against Swansea probably topped the lot. In a final studio show of the season, we're joined by Gavin Henderson of Roker Report, Sobs of A Love Supreme and The Evening Chronicle's James Hunter. Hopefully it'll be a more worthwhile use of time than the 90 minutes we all endured on Saturday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stephen, Gareth and Rory are joined by former Wearside Roar editor, amongst other things, Tom Lynn. We pick the bones out of a bizarre Sunderland performance in which we played quite well and did two of those goal things that other people keep banging on about. Too little too late? Hope for next season? Or just plain meh? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stephen, Gareth, Rory and Michael Lough get together for the first relegation party of the next few weeks. Strap yourself in for some hot, hot depression. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It was all too little, too late. A canny performance, but it probably dug up more questions than answers for David Moyes. Stephen is back and joins Gareth, Rory and Michael Lough in an all WMS affair. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We're getting to the stage where the undertaker is going to have to replace the coffin, such is the residual damage from the constant hammering of nails in the aforementioned casket of relegationy goodness. Sunderland seemed to be there in body and not in spirit as they limped to a 0-3 home reverse to Manchester United. Is there anything good about us at the moment? We're all scratching our heads. No Stephen this week, so Gareth is joined by WMS contributors Rory Fallow and Richard Easterbrook as well as local celeb and all round top bloke, Frankie Francis. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Would another manager have got more out of this group of players than 20 points? It's Wilkinson/McCarthy-esque and some of the Wise Men Say team have utterly and completely lost faith in David Moyes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What a dire game and what a dire result. An increasingly frustrated fan bas and with a manager under no real pressure, there's a lot of beef flying about. British beef, of course. Stephen, Gareth and Rory are joined my ALS Fanzine's Chris Thompson and The Evening Chronicle's James Hunter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We look back on another brilliant result for the lads in red and white, as we took another step towards securing the Relegation Trophy after a 0-2 defeat to Manchester City. Stephen and Gareth are joined by former Northern Echo sports writer, and current WMS contributor, Richard Mason as well as BBC Radio Newcastle's Nick Barnes. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Another bad result and things look bleak, but on the other hand we're still well within touching distance of safety. A non descript defeat at Everton to discuss should be delightful. Joining Stephen and Gareth are Richard Mennear of the Sunderland Echo and WMS contributor Michael Lough. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Well, wasn't that the most Sunderland thing in the world to do?We shouldn't even be surprised that we followed up a 4-0 win with a 4-0 loss, knowing that a win would have taken us outside the relegation zone.And we aren't. No Gareth this week, so Stephen, Rory and Craig talked about the game, the squad and the New York trip. The club's New York trip that is. We aren't at the level to be touring to New York ourselves. Yet... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We've been away the last few weeks, but what a time to be alive. Sunderland 4-0 up at half time, sticking one up Allardyce and PVA in the process. A massive result, and the bottom 6 looks tighter than a really, really tight thing.No Stephen this week, so Gareth is joined by Rory Fallow and The Sunderland Echo's Phil Smith. There's also the triumphant return of Craig Clark. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

An absolutely disastrous performance against Stoke leaves us full of woe. We talk about anything but the game. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A drab cup tie against Burnley means we've yet another fixture to contend with. Hurray. We talk about the game, cup attendances and other stuff anarl.Joining Stephen and Gareth in the studio is The Sunderland Echo's new Sunderland writer, Phil Smith and WMS regular, Rory Fallow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Four wins in the last seven games and Sunderland are on the brink of safety at Christmas. Who would have thought that would be the case after ten games played? Who would have thought Papy Djilobodji and Donald Love would be imperious during our 1-0 against Watford? A welcome pre-Christmas treat, I'm sure you'd all agree.It's an all WMS affair tonight with Rory Fallow and Gary Foster joining Gareth and Stephen in the studio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Back down to earth with a bump. Just when you think we might be getting somewhere we go and do what we do. Typical Sunderland. Gareth, Stephen and Rory are joined in the studio by Frankie from Frankie and the Heartstrings. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Three wins in four for the lads in red and white and there's a bit of a buzz about the place. We're joined by Damian Spellman of the Press Association to chew the fat over Sunderland's latest success. Get the rave on! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.