Ep. 32 Musa al-Gharbi on Why We Have Never Been Woke
We Made This Political Podcast · Lauren Hall
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Show Notes
The Complex Trust Dilemma: Engaging Expert Perspectives with Musa Albi
In this episode of ‘We Made This Political,’ hosts Laura Ham and Lauren Hall dive into the complex dynamics of institutional trust with sociologist Musa al-Gharbi. Musa’s book, ‘We Have Never Been Woke,’ which critiques the gap between elite discourse and lived realities, serves as a focal point for discussing the mistrust of experts. The conversation explores Musa’s unique perspective of being an insider-outsider in the academic world, the limitations of symbolic capitalists, and the often overlooked voices of disadvantaged communities. The episode underscores the nuanced challenges and potential opportunities in addressing social inequalities through a critical examination of how elite professions operate.
00:00 Introduction: Why People Mistrust Experts
00:52 Meet the Hosts and Today’s Guest
01:58 Introducing Musa al-Gharbi and His Work
02:37 The Journey of Writing ‘We Have Never Been Woke’
07:42 Defining Symbolic Capitalists
09:17 Reception and Criticism of the Book
16:26 The Role of Language in Social Justice
25:41 The Disconnect Between Symbolic Capitalists and Social Justice
34:58 The Power Dynamics of Symbolic Capitalists
47:07 The Wealth Transfer Dilemma
More Resources
How to order Musa’s book: https://musaalgharbi.com/paperback-edition-we-have-never-been-woke/
A deep dive on the data behind DEI programs and how we might do them better: https://musaalgharbi.com/2020/09/16/diversity-important-related-training-terrible/
A great intro article from Musa’s Substack:
An essay on Musa’s point about selective
Musa’s excellent postmortem on the 2024 election:
A We Have Never Been Woke FAQ, including why taxing billionaires isn’t the silver bullet often claimed:
More info on the next book “Those People”:
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