Voxology

Discover why viewing the Bible through the lens of inerrancy might limit our understanding of its divine and human nature. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the complexities of Scripture, discussing how a more nuanced approach can lead to a deeper, more faithful engagement with God's Word. They tackle the challenges of biblical interpretation, the role of community in understanding Scripture, and the importance of approaching the Bible with humility. Key Takeaways: • Challenging the Concept of Inerrancy – Understanding why inerrancy might be a lower view of the Bible and how it can hinder our relationship with Scripture. • Embracing the Bible's Divine and Human Nature – Exploring the co-participation between God and humans in the writing of the Bible, and how this impacts our interpretation. • The Importance of Context and Genre – Recognizing the significance of literary genres, historical context, and cultural background in interpreting Scripture. • Community and Humility in Interpretation – Highlighting the need for communal discernment and humility when approaching difficult passages and differing interpretations. • Focusing on Jesus as the Center – Emphasizing that faith is rooted in Jesus, and the Bible points us to Him as the ultimate revelation of God. Join the conversation and explore a more enriching approach to reading the Bible. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how 'Midnight Mass' serves as a mirror to the modern church, revealing the dangers of misguided faith, the perversion of theology, and the implications for believers today. Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and special guest Kaitlyn Schiess delve deep into the series' portrayal of religious zealotry, the seductive nature of miracles, and how the show brilliantly maps Christian themes onto a horror narrative, provoking thoughtful reflection on faith and community. Key Takeaways: • Justifying Evil in the Name of Faith – Exploring how Midnight Mass illustrates the ease with which religious communities can rationalize harmful actions. • The Allure and Danger of Miracles – Discussing the seductive power of miracles in the series and their parallels to real-world faith experiences. • Fear, Shame, and Redemption – Analyzing characters' motivations and how fear and shame influence their journey, reflecting dynamics within the church. • Inversion of Christian Symbols – Unpacking how the show inverts Christian rituals and sacraments to highlight the perils of unchecked zealotry. Guest Highlights: Kaitlyn Schiess – Author of The Liturgy of Politics and contributor to The Holy Post podcast. Kaitlyn enriches the conversation with her insights on political theology and how the series mirrors contemporary church challenges. Resources Mentioned: • Midnight Mass – Netflix Series https://www.netflix.com/title/81083626 • The Liturgy of Politics by Kaitlyn Schiess – https://www.ivpress.com/the-liturgy-of-politics • The Holy Post Podcast – https://www.holypost.com/ • The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast – https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/ Call to Action: Join the conversation! Subscribe, leave a review, and share your thoughts on social media. We'd love to hear your perspectives on Midnight Mass and its reflections on faith and the church. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how embracing a cross-shaped life transforms our understanding of community, leadership, and service. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford explore what it means to live in the way of Jesus, redefining greatness through humility and self-sacrificial love demonstrated on the cross. Key Takeaways: Cruciformity Explained – Understanding the concept of living a cross-shaped life and how it redefines our approach to leadership and community. Redefining Greatness – Exploring Jesus's teachings on leadership as servanthood, moving away from selfish ambition toward self-sacrifice. Using Privilege for Others – Discussing how to leverage our rights and advantages for the benefit of others, following the example of Jesus. Community and Justice – Examining how a cross-shaped community embodies justice, lifts up the marginalized, and fosters true unity. Hermeneutical Humility – Reflecting on the importance of approaching scripture with humility and openness to being challenged. Resources Mentioned: Richard Hays – Insights on community, cross, and new creation. Michael Gorman – Writings on cruciformity and living a cross-shaped life. Philippians 2:1-11 – The Christ Hymn and its implications for Christian life. Gospels of Mark 8-10 – Jesus's teachings on suffering, service, and leadership. Timothy Gombis – Discussions on embodying the Jesus story. Midnight Mass (Netflix series) – Cultural reflections on religion and belief. Join the conversation as we delve into what it truly means to live a cross-shaped life, transforming our communities and ourselves. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the American Church's focus on right beliefs and institutional preservation has neglected the transformative power of love, justice, and community as revealed through Jesus. In this deeply reflective and wide-ranging conversation, Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and special guest Hannah Erie (Mike's daughter) explore the frustrations young people have with modern Christianity, especially its entanglements with politics, legalism, and exclusion. Hannah shares her "horrendous happenings" as a 16-year-old navigating faith in a world where Christian identity often feels synonymous with judgment rather than love. As the discussion deepens, Mike and Tim move into a profound examination of how churches often claim doctrinal orthodoxy while embodying behavioral heresy—failing to reflect the communal justice, humility, and reconciliation commanded by Scripture. With insights from Ephesians and the work of theologians like Tim Gombis and Richard Hays, this episode challenges listeners to reconsider what faithful biblical interpretation looks like and how theology should always lead to fruit that mirrors the character of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Gen Z and the Church – Why the church fails to appeal to young people and how legalism and political identity have distorted its mission. • Faithfulness vs. Fruitfulness – How orthodox belief statements can mask systems of injustice, abuse, and exclusion within churches. • The Bible's Purpose – Reframing the Bible as a tool to shape a community of justice, peace, and embodied love—not just intellectual assent. • Justice is the Gospel – Exploring how reconciliation across race, economics, and ideology is central to the cosmic victory of Christ. • Community as Theology – Why the true mark of biblical faithfulness is found in the fruit of a church's communal life, not just its teaching. Guest Highlights: Hannah Erie – Mike's teenage daughter brings a candid and fresh voice to the conversation, sharing her views as a thoughtful Gen Z observer wrestling with what she sees in and around modern Christianity. Resources Mentioned: • Ephesians 2 – Discussing shalom, unity, and the church as temple. • Richard Hays – The Moral Vision of the New Testament • Tim Gombis – Faith Improvised Podcast & works on Ephesians and Romans • Josh Butler – Skeletons in God's Closet – Book club discussion launching in micro-community • Dallas Willard's Concept of "Joyful Non-Compliance" • Acts 6 & Galatians 2 – Biblical foundations for structural justice as core to the gospel • Unbelievable Podcast – Episode with Justin Brierley & Mark Driscoll • "Self-Segregation" Article – High school class discussion on social media echo chambers Be part of this rich and multi-layered conversation as Mike and Tim push past dogma toward the dangerous and beautiful heart of a Jesus-shaped church. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to join the journey of questioning, reimagining, and embodying the mission of Jesus. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the podcast at VoxologyPodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the podcast via Patreon The Voxology Spotify playlist can be found at: Voxology Radio Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – @GoneTimothy on Instagram & Twitter As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Tim and Dr. Tim Gombis conclude their mini-series on U2 and theology by diving deep into how we can coexist and carry each other in divisive times. Drawing inspiration from U2's song "One" and other tracks, they explore the importance of embracing differences within community, the role of the church in fostering true connection, and how music can serve as a bridge in times of division. Key Takeaways: Embracing Differences in Community – How U2's "One" teaches us to carry each other despite our differences and the privilege of supporting one another. Building True Community in Divisive Times – Practical ways to foster coexistence and unity within the church and society, reflecting on God's intentions for community. The Role of Worship and Music – Reflecting on the function of worship in church and how U2's music acts as a modern hymnal, wrestling with themes of humanity and spirituality. Processing Grief and Unity through Music – Analyzing U2's 2002 Super Bowl performance post-9/11 and how music can help us process collective grief and promote unity. Personal Growth and Understanding – Sharing personal journeys with U2's music and how it mirrors our own growth in faith, understanding, and navigating life's complexities. Guest Highlights: Dr. Tim Gombis – Scholar and theologian, Dr. Gombis brings profound insights into how U2's music intersects with theological themes, enriching the conversation on community, love, and coexistence. Resources Mentioned: Songs by U2 – "One", "Invisible", "Where the Streets Have No Name", "MLK", "Beautiful Day", "Peace on Earth", "Love and Peace or Else", "Wild Honey", "A Man and a Woman", "This is Where You Can Find Me Now", "Raised by Wolves", "Grace", "Yahweh" The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben – [Link] Mars Hill Podcast by Christianity Today – [Link] Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman – [Link] The Enneagram – [Link] Join us as we embrace the profound themes of community and learn how we can carry each other through divisive times. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and continue the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Understanding how genre shapes our reading of Scripture is one of the most foundational—and often overlooked—keys to interpreting the Bible faithfully. In this 10th installment of the ongoing Bible Series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford deep-dive into the importance of reading Scripture on its own literary terms rather than applying a flat, literalistic lens. Using the book of Revelation as a case study, they dismantle sensationalist and futurist interpretations and explore how genre—apocalyptic, prophetic, and epistolary—provides clarity rather than confusion when rightly understood. This conversation re-centers the idea that faithfulness begins with relational engagement, not theological rigidity, and highlights how communal reading of Scripture transforms our approach to modern Western misreadings. Key Takeaways: • Understanding Revelation Through Genre Cues – How Revelation explicitly tells us it is an apocalypse, a prophecy, and a letter—and why that matters. • Deconstructing the Flat Reading of the Bible – Why reading the Bible like a single, uniform book misrepresents what the authors intended and leads to harmful misinterpretations. • Prophecy ≠ Prediction – Why biblical prophecy isn't fortune telling—but a call to faithfulness in the present. • How Revelation Encouraged Its First Audience – The radical notion that the first-century recipients of Revelation fully understood it without charts or timelines. • Using Literary Lenses to Encounter Jesus – Why reading with genre-awareness leads us to Jesus, not away from Him. Resources Mentioned: • Book: How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth by Gordon Fee and Douglas Stuart • Isaiah 13 – Example of apocalyptic language in prophetic literature • Revelation 1:1-4 – Exploring Revelation's opening "thesis" and genre signals • The Mars Hill Podcast (bonus reflections) • Voxology Radio – Spotify playlists from past series and worship music linked here Call to Action: Join us as we continue to reimagine our engagement with Scripture—outside rigid systems and within a vibrant, questioning community. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and follow us on social to keep the conversation going. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Explore how U2's music unveils the paradoxes of the gospel, as Tim Stafford and Dr. Tim Gombis delve into themes of grief, grace, and the grotesque in Part 2 of The Wanderer Series. Unpacking the "grammar of the gospel," they discuss how songs like "California (There is No End to Love)" and "Grace" capture the complex relationship between suffering and redemption, challenging us to see beauty in brokenness and embrace the full spectrum of the human experience. Key Takeaways: Understanding the Grammar of the Gospel – How U2's lyrics reveal the counterintuitive logic of grace working in unexpected ways. Embracing Grief and Love – Discussing the intertwining of grief and love in songs like "California (There is No End to Love)" and how this reflects the relentless cycle of grace following grief. Beauty in the Grotesque – Exploring the concept of the grotesque and how finding beauty in what is often considered ugly can deepen our understanding of humanity and God's investment in it. Lament and Hope Without Sentimentality – Analyzing "Wake Up Dead Man" and "Beautiful Day" to see how U2 balances honest lament with authentic hope. Seeing Through New Perspectives – The challenge of unlearning inherited views to see the world as God sees it, as reflected in "When I Look at the World." Resources Mentioned: Spotify Playlist of U2 Songs Discussed – [Link] Bono & Eugene Peterson: THE PSALMS – [Link] Join the conversation and explore how music and theology intersect in profound ways. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how embracing the cultural, historical, and contextual 'strangeness' of the Bible can transform your understanding of scripture. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the complexities of interpreting scripture by acknowledging the hermeneutical distance created by time, culture, language, customs, geography, and value systems. They explore the contrasts between honor-shame and guilt-innocence cultures, discuss the importance of reading the Bible in community, and emphasize producing Jesus-shaped fruit over clinging to rigid doctrines. Key Takeaways: Understanding Hermeneutical Distance – Recognizing and bridging the gaps that impact our interpretation of biblical texts. Honor-Shame vs. Guilt-Innocence Cultures – How cultural value systems influence our understanding of scripture and community. Prioritizing Love and Community – Emphasizing that faithful reading leads to love and Jesus-shaped living rather than mere correct doctrine. Resources Mentioned: Tim Gombis's Podcast on Romans – [Link] Scott McKnight's Book "Reading Romans Backwards" – [Link] The Bible Project – [Link] Join the conversation and share your insights as we explore these important topics. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Join Tim Stafford and Dr. Timothy Gombis as they launch 'The Wanderer Series', a deep dive into the intersections of U2's music, theology, and personal journeys. Explore how the band's evolving sound and poetic lyrics have profoundly influenced their perspectives on faith, art, and humanity. Key Takeaways: • The Transformative Power of Music and Poetry – Discussing how U2's artistry exemplifies the impact of language and metaphor on personal and spiritual growth. • U2's Evolution and Influence – Exploring the band's transition from earnest piety in the 1980s to the complex, mature themes in albums like 'Achtung Baby' and 'Zooropa', and how this mirrors personal growth. • Personal Narratives and Faith Journeys – Tim and Tim share how U2's music has been a companion through various stages of life, reflecting shifts in faith, worldview, and understanding of the divine. • Theological Depth in U2's Lyrics – Analyzing songs such as 'The Wanderer' and 'Wake Up Dead Man' to uncover deep theological insights, confessions, and portrayals of humanity's messiness. Guest Highlights: Dr. Timothy Gombis – A theologian and scholar, Dr. Gombis brings rich insights into the interplay between U2's music and theological concepts, sharing how specific albums and songs have shaped his understanding of culture, faith, and the human experience. Resources Mentioned: • U2 Albums: 'Boy' 'October' 'War' 'The Unforgettable Fire' 'The Joshua Tree' 'Achtung Baby' 'Zooropa' 'Pop' 'All That You Can't Leave Behind' 'Songs of Innocence' • Songs: 'The Wanderer' 'Where the Streets Have No Name' 'Mofo' 'Running to Stand Still' 'Wake Up Dead Man' • Books: 'Until the End of the World' by Bill Flanagan 'One Step Closer: Why U2 Matters to Those Seeking God' by Christian Scharen • Other Artists Mentioned: Johnny Cash Roy Orbison Call to Action: Join us as we journey through the music of U2, exploring how art and faith intersect in profound ways. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay updated on future episodes of 'The Wanderer Series'. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how understanding cultural context and embracing interpretive humility can transform your reading of the Bible. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the importance of situating ourselves before the text, recognizing our individualistic lenses, and moving towards a communal approach to Scripture. Key Takeaways: • Interpretive Humility – The necessity of approaching the Bible with humility, acknowledging our biases and the limitations of our perspectives. • Individualism vs. Collectivism – How Western individualism affects our interpretation of Scripture and the value of embracing the Bible's communal context. • Situating Ourselves Before the Text – Practices for self-assessment to recognize how our culture, experiences, and assumptions influence our understanding. • Cultural Context and Hermeneutical Distance – Exploring the historical, cultural, and linguistic gaps between us and the biblical texts, and strategies to bridge them. • Reading the Bible in Community – The benefits of studying Scripture collectively to gain deeper insights and avoid interpretive narcissism. Resources Mentioned: • Pete Enns – How the Bible Actually Works • The Bible Project – bibleproject.com • Tim Gombis' Podcast – Faith Improvised • Scott McKnight Call to Action: Join us in reimagining how we engage with the Bible by embracing context and community. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to be part of the ongoing conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how understanding God's accommodation can transform the way we read and interpret Scripture. Mike and Tim delve into the complexities of the Bible's divine and human aspects, exploring how the messiness of Scripture reveals God's character and His relationship with humanity. Key Takeaways: God's Accommodation in Scripture – Understanding how God meets humanity where they are, working within cultural contexts and human limitations to reveal His divine will. The Real vs. The Ideal – Exploring the tension between God's ideal intentions and the real situations depicted in the Bible, such as polygamy, divorce, and violence. Jesus as the Fulfillment – Discussing how Jesus embodies the ideal human and fulfills the Scriptures by revealing God's true intentions. Embracing the Messiness – Encouraging listeners to accept the complexities of Scripture as a means to deepen their faith and understanding of God's character. Guest Highlights: Greg Boyd – Mentioned for his insightful work on the concept of accommodation. Mike shares a powerful story from Greg illustrating how understanding accommodation can deepen our grasp of God's love and patience. Resources Mentioned: Greg Boyd's Work on Accommodation – [Link] The Pentateuch as Narrative by John H. Sailhamer – [Link] D. L. Mayfield – Writer and activist working with refugee communities. [Link] Join us as we navigate the complexities of Scripture and explore how God's accommodation reveals His character. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how understanding God's accommodation to human culture can transform your reading of the Bible. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the complexities of interpreting scripture amidst cultural lenses and veils, exploring how the divine-human partnership in the Bible's creation impacts our grasp of truth and God's character. Key Takeaways: God's Partnership with Humanity – Unpacking how the Bible is both divinely inspired and a product of human agency, and what that means for how we read it. Accommodation and Cultural Context – Understanding how God accommodates human cultural contexts, allowing ancient worldviews to shape the way divine truths are communicated. Embracing the Bible's Complexity – Exploring why the Bible's messy and complex nature is valuable and how it provokes us into deeper engagement and relationship with God. Approaching Scripture with Humility – Learning the importance of unlearning preconceived notions, recognizing our own cultural lenses, and approaching the Bible with humility and curiosity. Practical Steps for Reading the Bible – Discussing how to engage with scripture critically and thoughtfully, and why this process is essential for genuine discipleship. Guest Highlights: Seth Erre – Mike's son, Seth, makes a joyful appearance, lightening the mood and reminding us of the importance of community and family in our faith journey. Resources Mentioned: Greg Boyd's Inspired Imperfection Tim Mackie and The Bible Project Dallas Willard's Teachings Enneagram – As a tool for understanding different perspectives. Join us in this thought-provoking exploration of scripture, and discover how embracing the Bible's messiness can deepen your faith. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Unlock a deeper understanding of the Bible by exploring the human and divine collaboration in Scripture. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off the Bible Series by challenging conventional beliefs about biblical inspiration, revealing how recognizing the Bible's human elements can enrich your faith and engagement with God's Word. Key Takeaways: • The Bible's Self-Portrait – Discover how Scripture describes its own origins as both a divine and human product. • Challenging Traditional Views of Inspiration – Questioning the idea of the Bible as a flawless, dictation-style document and recognizing the role of human agency. • Divine-Human Partnership in Action – Exploring examples of how God works through human authors, accommodating their contexts and cultures. • Implications for Modern Readers – Learn how embracing the Bible's human and divine elements enhances interpretation, application, and trust in Scripture. Resources Mentioned: • Tim Mackie and The Bible Project – https://bibleproject.com/ • Scott McKnight's Writings – [Link] • Ben Witherington III – [Link] • N.T. Wright's Work on Scripture – [Link] • Tim Mackie's Video on 'How the Bible Was Put Together' – [Link] Join Mike and Tim as they embark on this insightful journey to understand the Bible's true nature. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and be part of the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV – https://www.youtube.com/@voxology. Our Merch Store! ETSY – https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How reading scripture through the lens of Jesus can transform your understanding of God, justice, and salvation. In part four of Voxology's Bible Series, Mike and Tim are joined by returning guest and theologian Bradley Jersak to explore ideas from his new book, A More Christlike Word. From questioning literalist readings of the Old Testament to redefining the meaning and necessity of Jesus' death, this rich and heartfelt conversation digs into how the Bible can be both faithfully read and lovingly reinterpreted in light of Christ. Key Takeaways: • The "Emmaus Way" of Reading Scripture – Discover how Jesus modeled a way of interpreting the Old Testament through his death, resurrection, and teachings. • Reframing Atonement – Understanding Jesus' death not as divine punishment but as self-giving love that confronts and overcomes the powers of darkness, dread, and death. • The Bible's Progressive Unveiling – How scripture gradually removes cultural and theological "veils" to more clearly reveal God's nature through Jesus. • Rethinking "Wrath" and "Justice" – Looking beyond punitive legal models to embrace a restorative view of justice rooted in covenantal love. • The Role of Modern Culture – Are we seeing God more clearly, or just projecting modern sensibilities onto the text? Guest Highlights: Bradley Jersak – Author and theologian passionate about restoring a Christ-centered reading of the Bible. Bradley shares his personal journey from fundamentalist readings of scripture to a more hopeful and faithful hermeneutic rooted in the character of Jesus. His insights on divine violence, penal substitution, and atonement offer a freeing alternative for those disillusioned with traditional interpretations. Resources Mentioned: • * A More Christlike Word* by Bradley Jersak – bradjersak.com • Books by Greg Boyd and Brian Zahnd (referenced as part of the theological context) • Paul's Letters and the Gospels – especially Romans and 1 Corinthians • Jesus' "Emmaus Road" conversation – Luke 24 • The Beatitudes – Matthew 5 Join us as we peel back layers of inherited theology and cultural assumptions to see a more beautiful, liberating vision of who God is. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay part of this ongoing journey into the heart of Jesus. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Uncover new ways to engage with the Bible by embracing its complexities and ambiguities. Dr. Amy-Jill Levine joins Tim Stafford to explore how wrestling with scripture can deepen our relationship with God. They delve into feminist biblical interpretation, the role of the Old Testament in informing New Testament teachings, and the importance of viewing the Bible as an anthology of voices in dialogue. Key Takeaways: Understanding the Bible as an Anthology – Viewing scripture as a collection of diverse voices that invites us to interpret and wrestle with its messages. Feminist Perspectives in Biblical Interpretation – Highlighting the significant roles of women in the Bible and challenging traditional gender norms within scripture. The Relevance of the Old Testament – Recognizing how the Old Testament informs the New Testament and its ongoing importance for modern readers. Wrestling as Relationship – Embracing argument and discussion with God through scripture as vital aspects of our faith journey. Guest Highlights: Dr. Amy-Jill Levine – A renowned Jewish New Testament scholar, Dr. Levine offers profound insights into biblical interpretation, Jewish-Christian dialogue, and feminist theology, encouraging listeners to engage deeply with the text. Resources Mentioned: The Bible Made Impossible by Christian Smith Tim Mackie's Lecture on How the Bible Was Put Together – Link Faith Improvised Podcast by Dr. Tim Gombis – Link Join us in reimagining how we engage with scripture. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow the Voxology Podcast on social media to continue the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Explore how understanding context, genre, and cultural background can transform our reading of difficult Bible passages, particularly Old Testament violence. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford are joined by pastor and author Joshua Ryan Butler, who sheds light on approaching challenging scriptures without compromising the goodness of God. Together, they discuss the importance of wrestling with these texts, recognizing our own biases, and reading the Bible in community to gain deeper insight into God's character. Key Takeaways: Viewing the Bible as a Library – Understanding the Bible as a collection of books written over thousands of years and cultures, and how that influences interpretation. Context is Crucial – The importance of historical, cultural, and literary context when reading difficult passages, especially those involving Old Testament violence. Ancient War Rhetoric and Hyperbole – How recognizing ancient Near Eastern literary devices can reshape our perception of violent scriptures. God's Unchanging Goodness – Affirming God's wholly good nature while acknowledging that misunderstandings may stem from our own perspectives. Reading the Bible in Community – The value of engaging with the global and historic church to gain a fuller understanding of scripture. Guest Highlights: Joshua Ryan Butler – Pastor at Redemption Church in Arizona and author of The Skeletons in God's Closet and The Pursuing God. Josh shares his journey of grappling with difficult biblical texts and provides insights on approaching them thoughtfully and faithfully. Resources Mentioned: The Skeletons in God's Closet by Joshua Ryan Butler – Available Here The Pursuing God by Joshua Ryan Butler – Available Here Join the conversation as we delve into the complexities of scripture and seek to understand how to faithfully interpret challenging passages. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the Bible's diversity of genres, cultural contexts, and ancient languages shape our spiritual understanding—and how to rediscover scripture as a life-giving, imaginative world. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off a brand new series on the Bible with special guest Dr. Tim Gombis, diving deep into how the Bible can move from confusing and discouraging to enlightening and liberating. This episode is the beginning of a multi-part exploration aiming to help listeners reapproach the Bible with fresh eyes and renewed confidence. Key Takeaways: • Breaking Free from "The Bible Says It, That Settles It" – Why simplistic readings fall short and how to embrace a more meaningful engagement with scripture. • Understanding the Bible as a Library, Not a Manual – Dr. Gombis outlines the major literary genres of the Bible and why each must be approached differently. • Replacing Certainty with Curiosity – How making the Bible "strange" again opens the door to deeper faith, richer theology, and a more beautiful gospel. • Reading the Bible Patiently – Why cultivating imagination through repeated exposure to individual books (especially the Gospels) is more transformative than seeking daily life application. • Torah as a Gift, Not a Burden – Rethinking Old Testament law from punitive legalism to joyful instruction on life in a liberated community. • Wrestling with Difficult Passages – Genocide, patriarchy, and troubling texts point us toward an interpretive humility and trust in the God revealed in Jesus. Guest Highlights: Dr. Tim Gombis – Biblical scholar, teacher, and host of the "Faith Improvised" podcast. Gombis brings both academic clarity and pastoral wisdom to topics like biblical interpretation, genre sensitivity, and reading scripture in its original historical context. Resources Mentioned: • "The Lost Letters of Pergamum" by Bruce Longenecker • "The Making of Biblical Womanhood" by Beth Allison Barr • Faith Improvised Podcast – Listen here • Recommended Bible Translations: NIV (New International Version) and NASB (New American Standard Bible) • Timothy Gombis's Romans series on his podcast • CEB (Common English Bible) translation • "How Can the Bible Be Authoritative?" – Essay by N.T. Wright (recommended reference) Start immersing yourself in the biblical world, not just its words. Give your imagination time to be reshaped by the stories, poetry, and prophetic voices that build up the Kingdom vision Jesus embodies. Want to build a practice around this? Gombis suggests reading one Gospel repeatedly over several weeks for formational impact. Join the journey as we begin rediscovering the Bible as a wild, strange, but ultimately beautiful narrative revealing the love and justice of God. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us for the next stages in this conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how to identify and address spiritual abuse within church communities as Mike Erre and Tim Stafford engage with researcher Dan Koch. Delving into Dan's extensive study on the seven underlying factors that contribute to spiritual abuse, they discuss practical steps toward creating healthier, more nurturing religious environments. This insightful conversation sheds light on the importance of compassionate leadership, the impact of harmful practices, and offers hope and healing to those affected. Key Takeaways: Authoritarian Leadership – Understanding how control and hierarchy can foster spiritual abuse in church settings. Manipulative Fear Tactics – Exploring the use of fear, violence, and punishment to influence congregations, including end-times scare tactics. Discrimination in the Church – Discussing how gender, racial, and sexual orientation discrimination can create abusive environments. Discouraging Medical and Mental Health Care – Highlighting the dangers of dissuading individuals from seeking medical treatment or mental health support. Protecting Abusers Over Victims – Examining how some church leadership may prioritize abusers, leading to further harm for the abused. Internal Distress and Harmful God Images – Recognizing the profound personal impact of spiritual abuse on individuals' faith and well-being. Pathways to Healing and Healthy Communities – Offering practical advice for leaders and congregants to foster respectful and nurturing church environments. Guest Highlights: Dan Koch – Researcher in counseling psychology focusing on spiritual abuse and religious trauma. Dan shares findings from his large-scale study identifying seven factors that contribute to spiritual abuse and provides insights on how churches can cultivate healthier communities. He discusses actionable steps for leaders, including key reflective questions to promote a culture of respect and healing. Resources Mentioned: You Have Permission Podcast – Dan Koch's podcast exploring progressive Christianity and social sciences. Dr. Lisa Oakley's Research on Spiritual Abuse – Studies on creating resilient spiritual communities. EMDR Therapy – Information on Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing therapy for trauma recovery. The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast – An exploration of the impacts of abusive church leadership. Join the conversation and share your experiences in fostering healthy church communities. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected and be part of the journey toward healing and growth. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Mike Erre and Tim Stafford delve into the experience of feeling exiled within one's own church community. Drawing from biblical narratives of exile, they explore how to foster dynamic countercultural communities that embody Jesus's teachings while remaining committed to the well-being of the broader church. They discuss practical steps for navigating discontent without falling into pride or division, emphasizing the importance of loving the church even amidst frustration. Key Takeaways: Understanding Biblical Exile – Exploring the concept of exile from the Old Testament to the New Testament and how it applies to modern feelings of spiritual homelessness. Fostering Dynamic Counterculture – Discussing how to create communities that are distinctively Jesus-focused, wrestling with accommodation and distinction, inclusion and exclusion. Seeking the Good of the Church – Examining ways to remain committed to the larger church, loving and serving it even when feeling disillusioned. Avoiding Pride and Self-Righteousness – Warning against the dangers of deconstruction leading to division rather than renewal. Finding Hope on the Margins – Recognizing that authentic encounters with Jesus often occur outside institutional centers of power. Resources Mentioned: First Peter – Discussions on living as exiles and foreigners. Jeremiah 29 – Instructions to the exiles in Babylon. Book of Daniel – Examples of faithful living in exile. PCA Overture 23 – Recent developments in the Presbyterian Church in America. Bridget Eileen Rivera – Insights on inclusion within the church. David Bennett's "A War of Loves" – Perspectives on faith and sexuality. Join us as we explore what it means to live faithfully as exiles within the church. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to continue the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How does the church respond to LGBTQ+ individuals in ways that reflect new creation rather than tired, old creation dynamics of exclusion, shame, and silence? In this profoundly moving episode, Mike and Tim respond compassionately to a deeply honest and heartbreaking letter from a closeted gay church leader wrestling with belonging, identity, and faith in the modern church. This dialogue touches on some of the most pressing tensions within American Christianity today—how can the church be a place of authentic community for LGBTQ+ believers? What does it mean to be a welcoming and mutually transforming space? How can we embrace new creation practices without compromising on grace, truth, or relationship? Mike and Tim confront the church's failures, hypocrisies, and misplaced obsessions with sexuality, while also outlining what true hospitality, humility, and justice must look like within Christ-centered communities. If you're asking hard questions about faith, sexuality, and the mission of the church in a divided world, this conversation invites you into a new way of thinking marked by repentance, grace, and love. Key Takeaways: • Creating Safe Space in the Church – Why LGBTQ+ individuals deserve communities of radical hospitality rather than silence, shame, or exclusion. • Critiquing Evangelical Sexual Ethics – How the church's obsession with sexual purity, hypocrisy on divorce, and abuse of power have corrupted its witness. • New Creation vs. Old Creation Dynamics – Understanding how practices like inclusion, mutuality, patience, and non-coercive humility reflect Jesus's way. • The Limits of Affirming vs. Non-Affirming Labels – Why those binary categories often fail to capture the radical hospitality and invitation of Jesus. • Center-Set Community Formation – Moving beyond boundaries into spiritual families united around posture toward Christ, not identity markers. • Hospitality and Waiting as Spiritual Practices – What happens when the church chooses listening, patience, and love over moralizing proclamations? Resources Mentioned: • Voxologypodcast.com – Our central hub for exploring culture, faith, and the mission of Jesus • David Fitch – Concept of "welcoming and mutually transforming communities" • Books by Tim Gombis – Including conversations on humility in biblical interpretation • Bonhoeffer and Paul's Ethics – Themes of sacrificial love and communal identity from scripture • Past Voxology episodes with LGBTQ+ Christian voices – Featuring guests like Bonnie and DL Let's keep the conversation going. If you resonate with Jeremy's story or are processing these questions yourself, we want to hear from you. Email us at [email protected] and join us on Instagram, Facebook, or YouTube for more dialogue. Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and consider supporting us on Patreon so we can continue nurturing spaces of vulnerability, truth-seeking, and radical Jesus-following. Watch on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Visit our Merch Store: ETSY Support the Podcast: Patreon – Voxology Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast or on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – @GoneTimothy on Instagram & Twitter. Listen to Voxology Radio on Spotify: Voxology Radio As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can mistranslations, manipulated theology, and cultural biases distort how we see Jesus, worship, and community? This episode of the Exile Series is a timely journey into the tangled landscape of modern Christianity, questioning the language we use, the powers that shape our spirituality, and what it truly means to be "in Christ." Through a raw, winding conversation, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford reflect on the communal nature of scripture, the emotional weight of worship, and the cosmic battle Paul describes between divine wisdom and worldly power. From 1980s pop nostalgia to the deep complexities of biblical translation, this episode challenges sentimental theology and digs into questions from listeners about trusting scripture, spiritual authority, and how emotion and manipulation can intertwine in Christian culture. With references ranging from Duran Duran to Paul's letter to the Ephesians, Mike and Tim unravel what it means to follow Jesus in a world overrun by deception and distraction. Key Takeaways: • The Power and Peril of Bible Translation – How agenda-driven or outdated translations can distort key theological ideas, especially concerning gender and authority. • Worship Beyond Sentimentalism – Differentiating emotion from manipulation, and embracing honest, embodied worship rooted in justice and truth. • Paul's Cosmic Worldview – Understanding "powers and principalities" as societal, ideological, and spiritual forces rather than simply personal demons. • New Creation Dynamics – How everyday choices rooted in Christlike wisdom become acts of worship and resistance against cultural corruption. • Reading the Bible with Curiosity – Why interpretation requires community, humility, history, and a willingness to hold questions without fearing doubt. Resources Mentioned: • "Faith Improvised" Podcast by Tim Gombis • "The Patient Ferment of the Early Church" by Alan Kreider • "Power and Weakness" by Tim Gombis • Jen Hatmaker Enneagram Series • Ephesians 1–3; John 15; Genesis; Psalms Join the conversation and share how you're wrestling with worship, truth, and righteous resistance in our age of misinformation. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology Podcast on Instagram and Facebook to stay in the loop. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! Etsy Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the voices of lament, deconstruction, and justice led to a renewed vision of the church and the launch of Voxology. In this monumental 300th (and now Voxology's first!) episode, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford pause to reflect on six years of podcasting and the journey that brought about the transformation from The Vox Podcast to Voxology. This episode is a heartfelt collection of gratitude, vision-casting, and a look ahead. Joined by special guests Bonnie Lewis, Shane Claiborne, and Tim Gombis, the conversation dives deep into themes of church trauma, nationalistic Christianity, systemic brokenness, and the audacious hope we still cling to for the future of the church. Key Takeaways: • From Vox to Voxology – The story behind the name change and what the new name represents for the podcast's future mission and identity. • Lament & Trauma in Church Spaces – Bonnie Lewis shares her transition to being "post-church," detailing how EMDR therapy and her experiences with patriarchal systems realigned her vision for faith and freedom. • Nationalism and American Christianity – Shane Claiborne exposes the toxic mix of nationalism and faith, calling for a radical return to Jesus, not just as savior but as guide for political and social engagement today. • Jesus at the Center – Why the path forward for a fractured church begins with reclaiming the radical teachings and life of Jesus. • The Long Road of Repentance – Tim Gombis brings historical context to how American Christianity has long supported systems of oppression, and what hopefulness looks like when we attend to the grief and redemption together. • Voices from the Vox Community – Powerful call-ins from listeners reveal a passionate global community searching for healing, deconstruction, justice, and belonging in the body of Christ. Guest Highlights: • Bonnie Lewis – Theologian and cohost of past Vox episodes, Bonnie reveals her personal journey through trauma, EMDR therapy, and researching the intersections of literature and gendered biblical interpretation. • Shane Claiborne – Author, activist, and visionary, Shane challenges the commodification of Christianity and invites listeners to embody a faith that subverts systems of exploitation and power. • Tim Gombis – Biblical scholar and returning guest, Tim frames the four-century legacy of Christian complicity in empire and offers a theology robust enough for both lament and hope. Resources Mentioned: • Red Letter Christians – redletterchristians.org • Womanist Midrash by Wilda C. Gafney – [Link] • The Evangelicals by Frances FitzGerald – [Link] • What Happened to You? by Bruce Perry & Oprah Winfrey – [Link] • Voxology Community Resources and Merch – https://voxologypodcast.com Join the journey as we celebrate big milestones, confront painful truths, and commit to deeper reflection and resurrection. Welcome to Voxology. Continue the conversation with us—email your thoughts and questions to [email protected], and join us on Facebook and Instagram. Watch full episodes and interviews on VOXOLOGY TV Check out our Merch Store on ETSY Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Listen and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: iTunes Or on Spotify: Spotify Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Here's to the next 300. Let's walk this road together. #VoxologyStartsNow #ChurchLamentAndHope #JesusAtTheCenter #DeconstructionAndFaith #FaithAfterEvangelicalism As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

A behind-the-scenes bonus episode full of joy, jokes, and Jesus as Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and the beloved Seth Erre drop in to tease the much-anticipated rebrand of the Vox Podcast. With Episode 300 on the horizon, this midweek moment is both a celebration of the past and a hilarious reflection on potential (and rejected) new names for the show. Packed with wild brainstorming, dad-joke-worthy Christian slogans, and Seth's unforgettable antics, this episode sets the tone for the next chapter of Voxology. Key Takeaways: • Creative Process Unplugged – How Mike, Tim, and friends explored hilarious and heartfelt rebranding ideas, from "Get Right or Get Left" to "God Grades on the Cross, Not the Curve." • Looking Back and Moving Forward – Reflections on the journey to 300 episodes and what makes this community so unique. • Countdown Hype – Episode 300 drops Monday with a new name and vision, inviting listeners to be part of the ongoing transformation. Guest Highlights: • Seth Erre – Fan favorite and comedic catalyst, bringing playful energy and adding heart to the bonus episode. Resources Mentioned: • Journey Church – journeytn.com • Merch Ideas Teased – Let us know if you'd rock a "Forbidden Fruit Creates Many Jams" tee. Join us for the fun and don't miss the reveal of Voxology's new season and name in Episode 300 — tell a friend, set a reminder, and come be part of the future. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the biblical idea of the Divine Council reshapes our understanding of spiritual warfare, justice, and humanity's role in God's world. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford continue the Elohim Series by exploring the spiritual realm of the Old Testament—the "sons of God," the supernatural rulers of the nations, and how their corruption contributes to the brokenness of the world we inhabit. This episode challenges conventional Christian views of spiritual warfare and dives deep into why justice, lament, and truth are essential responses to systemic evil. Key Takeaways: • Understanding the Divine Council – How the "sons of God," or Elohim, were created to rule the nations and why their corruption matters in the biblical worldview. • The Link Between Justice and Worship – Why biblical justice isn't optional, but a core expression of loyalty to Yahweh, and how this ties directly to idolatry and sacred resistance. • Rethinking Spiritual Warfare – It's not a battle against individuals, but against systems, ideologies, and cultural norms corrupted by fallen spiritual beings. • Scripture's Epic Cosmic Vision – From Psalm 82 to Daniel 10 and Deuteronomy 32, discover how geographically connected spiritual powers play into biblical history and theology. • The Gospel Is Unthreatened – A passionate call to reject fear-based "threat to the gospel" rhetoric and instead lead with confession, lament, and repentance as countercultural acts of new creation. Resources Mentioned: • Psalm 82 – blueletterbible.org • Deuteronomy 32 – biblegateway.com • Michael Heiser – Scholar who popularized Divine Council theology (The Unseen Realm) • Greg Boyd – On spiritual warfare and systemic injustice • Tim Gombis – Faith Improvised podcast • Daniel 10 – The prince of Persia and spiritual conflict between nations Call to Action: Let this episode sharpen your spiritual imagination. What would it look like to consciously live in resistance to corrupt spiritual systems? Share your thoughts or questions by emailing us at [email protected] and join our growing community on social media. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow the podcast to stay updated. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Merch Store: ETSY Learn more: Voxology Podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Unlocking new layers of biblical meaning, Mike and Tim dive into one of the Bible's most mysterious and perplexing passages—Genesis 6—and the weird, wild world of the Nephilim, fallen Elohim, and cosmic rebellion. In this episode of the Genesis Series, they unpack how humanity's fall mirrors the spiritual realm's own betrayal, why "heaven" needs redemption too, and how it all connects to the gospel's cosmic scale. They also respond to some truly thought-provoking listener emails and celebrate Voxology's upcoming 300th episode with big announcements and an invitation to add your voice to the journey. Key Takeaways: • Understanding the Sons of God and Nephilim – A deep dive into the meaning of Genesis 6 and the implications of divine beings breaking heavenly boundaries. • Cosmic Rebellion & Restoration – Why God's redemption plan includes not just earth, but also the heavens, and how Eden's echoes appear again in David vs. Goliath and even Jesus's ministry. • Personal vs. Communal Salvation – Responding to a listener's brilliant email about individual salvation and the church's communal calling. • The Church as a Messy but Sacred Community – Why finding a healthy, humble, and justice-oriented church is more important than searching for theological perfection. • The Fault Lines of Modern Church Models – A candid conversation about ecclesiology, power, love, and whether the institution of church still serves the original mission of Jesus. Guest Highlights: This episode includes thoughtful listener comments from Jeremy and others, inspiring a rich discussion about the nature of faith, frustration, and formation within today's church context. Resources Mentioned: • Genesis 6 – The Sons of God and Nephilim passage. • Jude & 2 Peter – New Testament references to the rebellious Elohim. • Tim Mackie & The Bible Project – Background on ancient cosmology and Hebrew literary patterns. • Patreon Sign-Up – Patreon.com/voxology • Voxline for Episode 300 submissions – Call (530) 492-0382 or email [email protected] Call to Action: We want your voice in our upcoming 300th episode! Submit your one-word or short reflection on hope or lament about the church. Plus, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on social media to stay connected with a community reimagining faith in Jesus together. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the show on Patreon Check out the Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram @voxologypodcast and on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

When the rot of power, celebrity, and capitalism runs deep in modern American church culture, is walking away the best response—or is there another way forward? In this deeply vulnerable and passionate installment of the New Creation Series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford are joined by theologian Dr. Timothy Gombis, who brings sobering wisdom, theological insight, and a dawning vision of church grounded not in success but in rest, repentance, and resistance. What begins as an honest lament about megachurch scandals, celebrity abuse, and American idolatry evolves into a provocative reimagining of what it truly means to be the Church. Rather than retreat into cynicism or fight to fix a broken system with the same tools that corrupted it, Gombis invites us into a radical posture: Sabbath rest, confession, humble presence, and quiet faithfulness. Together, the trio confronts questions about church size, performative faith, historical injustice, and the seductive pull of power—all through the lens of New Creation. Key Takeaways: • Deconstructing Celebrity Church – Confronting the spiritual costs of megachurch models built on personality, PR, and performance. • Reimagining Church Participation – How simply being the church may be more transformative than trying to fix the church. • Capitalism & the Gospel – Why American success metrics have co-opted the church and how reframing our goals changes everything. • Receiving the Kingdom – Embracing the Gospel's passive verbs: inheriting, receiving, and resting instead of striving and producing. • Practices of Peace and Presence – Confession, community meals, serving the marginalized—not because they fix the system, but because they form us. • Sexual Anxiety & Power in American Evangelicalism – Exploring the Church's obsession with sexuality through the lens of control and exclusion. • Can the Church Repent? – Wrestling with America's Christian history rooted in colonization, slavery, and patriarchy, and what repentance looks like today. • Living as a Christian in a Captive Culture – Gombis's personal posture of engagement: naming complicity, pursuing private transformation, and relinquishing control. Guest Highlight: Dr. Timothy Gombis – Seminary professor, New Testament scholar, and prophetic voice of humility and hope. Gombis joins the conversation with candor and insight, offering a strong counter-narrative to ambition-driven models of spiritual leadership. Resources & References: • Matthew 25 – The sheep and goats and Jesus' judgment based on care for the least of these. • Zondervan "God Bless the USA" Bible – Highlighted as a misguided fusion of nationalism and scripture. • Book on Reparations – Referenced for wrestling with historical sin and the possibility of corporate repentance. • U2's "Grace" and "Beautiful Day" – Cited for theological reflection on the realism and hope of grace. • Letter Writing to Prisoners – One way Gombis practices quiet, embodied faith. • Rethink Megachurch Podcast Interview (Hillsong Today Show segment) – Source of Tim's frustration and springboard for the dialogue. Connect, Respond, and Reflect: This episode doesn't pull punches, and we invite you to join the conversation. How are you wrestling with the state of the church? What does it mean to be the church in our current age? Email your thoughts to [email protected] and let us know how you're finding—or struggling to find—Christ's presence in Christian spaces. As always, we're grateful for your time and presence as we pursue the true mission of Jesus together. Subscribe, leave a review, and consider supporting us on Patreon to keep these conversations going: Patreon.com/voxology Follow on social: 🟣 Instagram – @voxologypodcast 🔵 Facebook – Voxology Podcast 🐦 Twitter – @mikeerre Watch on YouTube: Voxology TV Grab our merch: Voxology on Etsy More at: VoxologyPodcast.com Let's practice love, honesty, and humility as we walk this road together toward New Creation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the myth of the American Dream and a narrow evangelical subculture are being authentically challenged by those living out the radical call to love your neighbor. Mike and Tim are joined by author and activist D.L. Mayfield to explore how her journey from youth group punk rocker to committed neighbor and advocate for the marginalized reveals a deeper and more robust understanding of faith, formation, and following Jesus. Together, they discuss what it means to reconstruct faith in a way that centers the voices of the oppressed, de-emphasizes certitude in favor of humble practice, and reclaims grief, lament, and joy as necessary parts of Christian discipleship. Danielle shares how her proximity to refugees and underserved communities has shaken her assumptions about America, challenged her theology, and offered a more hopeful vision of the church rooted in Jesus' teachings. Key Takeaways: • Love Your Neighbor Means Everyone – D.L. Mayfield shares how her work with Somali refugees at 19 challenged her notions of mission, success, and American Christianity. • The Myth of the American Dream – Why proximity to the marginalized helped Danielle recognize the toxic marriage of nationalism and evangelical faith. • Deconstruction and Reconstruction – Community responses and practical metaphors for rediscovering a faithful spirituality beyond doctrinal certitudes. • Finding Joy Through Lament – Redefining spiritual growth through embodied experiences of grief, hope, and social engagement. • A Punk Rock Ethic of Faith – How spiritual disruptors like Danielle and others are re-centering the church around Jesus rather than culture war idolatry. Guest Highlights: D.L. Mayfield – Writer, speaker, and advocate whose work explores white evangelicalism, social justice, and solidarity with the marginalized. Author of The Myth of the American Dream and Assimilate or Go Home, Danielle brings real-life experience and theological compassion to questions of justice, faith, and Christian witness in America today. Resources Mentioned: • D.L. Mayfield's website and writing – dlmayfield.com • The Myth of the American Dream – Book Link • Eugene Peterson's As Kingfishers Catch Fire – Book Link • Saved by Faith and Hospitality by Joshua Jipp – Book Link Join us as we wrestle with our heritage, confront harmful theology, and pursue the joy of an embodied, neighbor-centered faith. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on social media to keep the conversation going. We'd love to hear your thoughts! Reach out at [email protected] or connect with us on Instagram and Facebook. Don't miss us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab some merch: Voxology Etsy Store More from us: VoxologyPodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us: Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: Voxology Podcast Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How reading Genesis through ancient eyes—and understanding the spiritual beings behind the biblical narrative—can reshape how we think about sin, salvation, and the reconstruction of faith. In this theologically rich and mind-expanding episode, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford go deep into the cosmology of Genesis 1-3, unveiling how the biblical story tells a far more imaginative and layered tale than modern interpretations often allow. From the idea of the "heavenly hosts" and the mysterious serpent in Eden to reframing deconstruction as kingdom-centered discipleship, this episode reframes everything—from ministry to personal growth to the cosmic scope of salvation. Key Takeaways: • The Cosmic Blueprint of Genesis – How Genesis 1 presents a structured vision of creation built around three inhabited realms—and the governing creatures placed in each. • Sun, Moon, and Stars as Spiritual Beings – Exploring how ancient Israelites may have understood the "lights" in the sky as more than physical bodies, but also part of the "heavenly host." • Eden as a Heaven-Earth Overlap – Why the garden wasn't just a geographical place, but a spiritual realm where God, spiritual beings (Elohim), and humans coexisted. • Rethinking the Serpent – The significance of the serpent as a spiritual being, possibly a Seraphim, and why this changes how we view the fall narrative. • Reconstructing Faith After Deconstruction – Honest and empathetic discussion around what it means to rebuild after your theological foundation has crumbled—and how spiritual community, the Sermon on the Mount, and reading the Gospels repetitively can provide grounding. • New Creation vs. Old Creation Dynamics – Paul's frequent contrasts between "old" and "new" creation in his letters offer a lens to evaluate modern church practices with fresh eyes. Resources Mentioned: • Michael Heiser – "The Unseen Realm" • Timothy Gombis – "Power in Weakness," "Drama of Ephesians" • Dallas Willard – "The Divine Conspiracy" • Philip Yancey – "The Jesus I Never Knew" • Tim Mackie & The Bible Project – Divine Council resources • Greg Boyd – "God at War," "Satan and the Problem of Evil" • NT Wright – "Surprised by Hope" • Genesis 1–3, Job 38, Deuteronomy 4 & 32, Isaiah 6 Call to Action: Redefining what we believe begins by asking deeper questions. Join our ongoing adventure into the mystery, complexity, and beauty of the Bible. Subscribe to the Voxology Podcast, share with curious friends, and leave a review to help others discover the conversation. We love hearing your thoughts and stories. Reach out anytime at [email protected] or follow us @voxologypodcast on Instagram and Facebook. Watch the full video version of the podcast on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab Voxology merch here: ETSY Support the show: Patreon Explore more: VoxologyPodcast.com Dig into Voxology-curated playlists: Voxology Radio on Spotify Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How recovering the biblical storyline from Genesis to Revelation changes everything about how we think about sin, salvation, and our role in God's mission. In part seven of the Big Story Series, Mike and Tim unpack the central question the Old Testament actually leaves us with—not "How do we get to heaven?" but "When will Yahweh return and restore his people?" From the temple imagery of Eden to humanity's original vocation as royal priesthood, they explore how sin is not merely rule-breaking, but a failure to live into our God-given purpose as image-bearers who reflect God's glory and steward creation. The conversation covers how Jesus opens a space of new creation where that royal-priesthood vocation is restored, not just spiritually but biologically, communally, and cosmically. What are we saved TO? What powers are we saved FROM? And why understanding this changes everything from how we worship to how we deal with shame, ego, and even church structures. There's also a surprise mini-masterclass on worship leading, performance culture, and integrating stage presence with authentic spiritual practice—and yes, an extended metaphor involving breadsticks at Olive Garden. Classic Vox. Key Takeaways: • Sin as Failed Vocation – Sin isn't just breaking rules; it's missing the mark of our divine calling to reflect and represent God in the world. • Salvation as Restored Humanity – The cross doesn't just forgive individual guilt, it opens up "new creation space" where we become fully human again. • Old Story vs. Big Story – The heart of the gospel isn't escaping hell but participating in God's restoration of heaven and earth. • Powers and Principalities – How spiritual and cultural powers deceive us into patterns of consumption, individualism, and domination, and why Jesus came to disarm them. • Worship and Ego – Exploring how performance dynamics in modern worship can either reinforce self-glorification or become a path to humility and deeper communal life. • Biblical Hospitality – Loving people who think differently isn't weakness—it's the radical call of Jesus in practice. Resources Mentioned: • The Day the Revolution Began by N.T. Wright – [Link] • "Saved by Faith and Hospitality" by Joshua Jipp – [Link] • "The Temple and the Church's Mission" by G.K. Beale – [Link] • The Book of Genesis – [Link to Genesis] • The Book of Romans – [Link to Romans] • Voxology Big Story Series (Episodes 1–6) – VoxologyPodcast.com Join the journey of rediscovering the gospel's fuller story and purpose for humanity. Help others join the conversation by subscribing, leaving a review, and following us on social media. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email questions to [email protected], and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the way of Jesus invites us to rethink gun violence, church leadership, and what it really means to be "pro-life." In this powerful conversation, Mike and Tim are joined by author, activist, and Red Letter Christian co-founder Shane Claiborne for a deeply compelling and often hilarious episode exploring faith, justice, and embodied discipleship. While reflecting on his own spiritual evolution (including an early obsession with leadership books, apologetics, and megachurch culture), Mike shares the deeply spiritual act of letting go—literally—through a symbolic home purge involving a dumpster he nicknames "Gehenna." The conversation leads into a rich introduction to Shane Claiborne, who shares updates on his mobile-bus lifestyle, his blacksmithing work transforming guns into garden tools, and why embodied activism matters more than intellectual arguments. Key Takeaways: • From Head to Heart Faith – Mike reflects on discarding leadership theory and apologetics books as part of a spiritual re-centering around embodiment and mental health. • What It Really Means to Be Pro-Life – Shane reframes "pro-life" to include a consistent ethic regarding immigration, the death penalty, racial justice, gun violence, and more. • Guns to Garden Tools (Literally) – Shane details the sacred work of transforming decommissioned firearms into tools for cultivation and peace, inspired by Isaiah and Micah. • Beyond Deconstruction – Faith revival isn't just tearing down toxic systems but building life-giving alternatives—through embodied justice, humility, and community. • Prophetic Imagination and Activist Discipleship – A call to model the church as a radical alternative shaped by the Sermon on the Mount, not political ideology. Guest Highlights: Shane Claiborne – Speaker, activist, and co-founder of Red Letter Christians, Shane shares personal stories from his childhood in East Tennessee (clown school and Bon Jovi included), why he's traveling the country in a school bus, and how blacksmithing and communal grief have energized his spiritual life. Resources Mentioned: • Red Letter Christians • RAWTools – Guns into Garden Tools • Book: Beating Guns by Shane Claiborne and Michael Martin • Matthew Sorens – World Relief • Instagram Account: Black Coffee with White Friends Join the Misfit Tribe: a community of people figuring out how to faithfully follow Jesus outside the bounds of performative Christianity. Subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with someone who needs hope for a truly alternative vision of church and mission. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Merch Store: ETSY Learn more at VoxologyPodcast.com Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the biblical image of "outside the city" reshapes our theology of hell, judgment, and salvation. In this first part of the Hell Series, Mike and Tim wrestle deeply with scriptural themes, the legacy of fire-and-brimstone fear tactics, and a more Jesus-centered, hope-filled way to understand what hell really is—and what it definitely is not. Beginning with a fiery valley outside ancient Jerusalem called Gehenna and ending with Revelation's new creation imagery, this episode traces a surprising continuity through the biblical arc: hell as exile rather than divine torture. Along the way, they cover Tim Keller's controversial Twitter comments on sexuality, the generational effects of purity culture, and the struggles many—including their own families—have with modern church representations of Christianity. Key Takeaways: • Hell as Exile, Not Torture – The Bible frequently presents hell as separation or exclusion from God's restored creation, rather than eternal conscious torment. • Gehenna Explained – How a literal valley of idolatry and child sacrifice became Jesus's primary metaphor for hell—and why it's crucial to understand that the fires were lit by human hands. • Heaven and Hell as Present Powers – Beyond future destinations, Jesus and James portray both heaven and hell as realities acting on us now through the choices we make. • Fire and Light as Revelation – Hellfire and divine light are metaphors that purify and reveal what is true, not punishments inflicted arbitrarily. • Community Categories – "Wicked" and "righteous" are not just moralistic grades for individuals but community-wide dynamics that move us toward or away from God's peace (shalom). • Misuse of Hell as Psychological Control – The trauma caused by fear-based theology continues to haunt generations and distort our view of God's character. Whether you're deconstructing long-held beliefs, wrestling with anxiety and salvific certainty, or simply asking what justice and love look like when fully revealed, this episode offers space to rethink the story—and to trust that the gospel is far wider, deeper, and more compassionate than we've often been taught. Resources Mentioned: • James 3:6 – "The tongue also is a fire…set on fire by Gehenna." • Colossians 1:20 – "God was pleased to reconcile all things…by making peace through [Jesus's] blood." • Matthew 19:28 & Acts 3:21 – "The renewal of all things" and "restoration of everything." • Hebrews 13:12-13 – Jesus suffered "outside the city gate," connecting to the exile theme. • Bradley Jersak's Work on Hell – Exploring hell as relational separation rather than brute punishment. • The Lord's Prayer – A closing reading of the priestly blessing from Numbers 6:24–26 Join the journey as we unravel the traditional heaven & hell narrative and rediscover a gospel that embraces the full beauty of God's intent for all creation. Have a question or insight? Hit us up! As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the biblical vision of judgment reveals the path toward healing, truth-telling, and the restoration of all things. Continuing the Hell Series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford tackle the idea of divine judgment not as punitive wrath or eternal shame, but as a redemptive purifying process that reveals, restores, and renews. With reflections on Romans, 1 Corinthians, Peter, and the Sermon on the Mount, the duo proposes a vision of judgment rooted in the goodness of God and the transformative power of truth. Key Takeaways: • Judgment as Restoration, Not Damnation – How the Bible portrays judgment not merely as punishment, but as the essential unveiling of truth and the purifying fire of new creation. • Why Truth-Telling Matters – Exploring how judgment is necessary for cosmic healing, communal reconciliation, and the exposure of injustice and religious hypocrisy. • Creation's Cry for Renewal – Paul's vision of a groaning creation eagerly awaiting the revealing of God's children as part of a holistic rescue operation. • Rethinking Fire and Judgment – How images of fire in Scripture (refining, purifying, revealing) emphasize God's desire for renewal, not annihilation. • Encouragement for the Disillusioned – A heartfelt response to a listener's experiences with spiritual abuse and misuse of power during the COVID-19 pandemic, modeling how one can resist toxic leadership without becoming bitter. • The Samaritan Woman and Jesus – A beautiful example of what it means for everything to be laid bare and met with love, compassion, and profound calling. Resources Mentioned: • Romans 8 • 1 Corinthians 3 – "The Day" and the fire that tests every person's work • 2 Peter 3 – "The earth and everything in it will be laid bare" • John 4 – The story of the Samaritan woman at the well • Joshua Ryan Butler – "The Skeletons in God's Closet" • Dallas Willard's teachings on relinquishing rights for the good of others • Voxology Instagram: Visual breakdown of contrasting "Not This / But This" end-times diagrams Join us in reimagining divine judgment as the ultimate hope for justice and freedom. If you've experienced spiritual harm or questions around God's justice system, this illuminating episode offers both theological depth and pastoral encouragement. Subscribe, rate, and leave a review to help others discover Voxology. Engage the conversation and share your own reflections via email at [email protected] or on Instagram and Facebook. Catch full episodes and behind-the-scenes on VOXOLOGY TV, shop exclusive merch at our Etsy Store, and find more resources at voxologypodcast.com. Listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow Mike: Twitter Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How a fresh understanding of the biblical story can reshape your faith, purpose, and view of salvation. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off a new three-part arc in the Exile Series that confronts the traditional evangelical narrative of heaven and hell. Instead, they reframe the story through the lens of what the Bible actually centers on — the creation, rupture, and reunification of heaven and earth. If you've ever felt unsettled by the "turn or burn" gospel or the idea of escaping the earth to live in the clouds forever, this honest and mind-opening discussion will help you rediscover the beauty and scope of what God is doing in the world. Key Takeaways: • Heaven and Earth, Not Heaven vs. Hell – The real biblical narrative revolves around God creating, repairing, and renewing heaven and earth together, not separating people between two eternal destinations after death. • New Creation Starts Now – Jesus, as the first fruit of new creation, invites us into a life of embodied resurrection where heaven begins breaking into earth right now. • Rethinking Hell – Hell is not central to the story or used to coerce belief. Instead, it may represent the space outside of God's coming new world, not a pit of torture. • Salvation Is Bigger – Rather than saving individual souls for heaven, the gospel is about God rescuing and restoring humanity to pick up their cosmic vocation as image-bearers and caretakers of creation. • The Church's True Role – Rather than providing an escape or moral policing, the church is meant to be a practicing ground of new creation: a community where justice, grace, and healing reign. Resources Mentioned: • Surprised By Hope by N.T. Wright – [Link] • Skeletons in God's Closet by Joshua Ryan Butler – [Link] • The Patient Ferment of the Early Church by Alan Kreider – [Link] • Timothy Gombis – Faith Improvised Podcast • Michael Gorman and Scott McKnight – (Referenced authors on New Testament theology) • Ephesians 2 & Romans 1 – Biblical reflections on sin, community, and vocation • Ellen's Extended Email Segment – Referenced listener engagement that sparked deeper discussion Join us next time as we pick up with Part 2 in this arc, exploring the theme of Judgment — its biblical purpose, misunderstood imagery, and how it connects to telling the truth about the world before restoration can begin. Help us spread new creation by subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing this episode with a friend or faith community challenged by heaven-and-hell thinking. We'd love to hear your thoughts and questions — email us at [email protected] and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Watch the full podcast experience on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more: voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music featured by Timothy John Stafford Twitter/Instagram: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How Jesus' parable of the weeds and wheat in Matthew 13 invites followers to practice patience, not power, as the defining mark of discipleship in a world plagued by injustice and urgency. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford continue the Exile Series by deconstructing how Christians often misread their role in purging the world of evil—and how Jesus insists on a patient, Kingdom-first alternative marked by trust, hope, and transformation. Through personal stories (including Mike's call from investment banking to youth ministry), observations on the church's failure to lead in environmental care, and insights from the early church's posture of radical patience, this conversation unveils a refreshing way for Christians to live faithfully amid broken systems. Key Takeaways: • The Enemy in the Field – The parable reframes evil not as God's doing, but as the result of a cosmic enemy at work among us, and challenges theological determinism that justifies harm in God's name. • You Can't Uproot the Weeds Without Harming the Wheat – Jesus cautions against premature judgment, reminding us we often can't distinguish the "weeds" from the "wheat" and risk damaging what's good through reckless crusades for purity. • Jesus Teaches Patience, Not Passivity – Far from being passive, Jesus models resistance through transformation, enduring evil while staying faithful to love, humility, and mission. • Patient Ferment Over Aggressive Evangelism – Drawing from Alan Kreider's book, Mike notes how the early church didn't strive for attractional services or metrics-based growth, but embodied patient, Spirit-led formation—resisting Rome's values of power, sex, and wealth with a slow-burning alternative. • Kingdom as Inexorable and Hidden – The Kingdom of God expands like yeast, quietly transforming societies through love, generosity, and holiness—not domination or force. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 13 – Parable of the Weeds and Wheat • Alan Kreider – The Patient Ferment of the Early Church • The Psalms of Solomon and 4 Ezra – Ancient Jewish texts reflecting Messianic expectations • Romans 5 – Paul on suffering, perseverance, and hope • Rodney Stark – The Rise of Christianity • Chris Gombas (referenced from previous Vox episodes) • Dogma (film reference, noted for Jesus' love for listening and humanity) Join the community of listeners reimagining what it means to follow Jesus in our time: with patience, humility, and the power of transformed lives. Subscribe to the podcast, leave us a review, and be part of the conversation on social media. Email your thoughts to [email protected] or hit us up on Instagram and Facebook. Watch episodes and curated conversations on VOXOLOGY TV Grab your favorite merch at our ETSY store Support Voxology on Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Listen here: Subscribe on iTunes | Spotify Explore the show archive at voxologypodcast.com As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the language of dehumanization and the theology of Christian nationalism distort the gospel—and what it means to respond with a Jesus-shaped posture of compassion, inclusion, and lament. This reflective episode in the Exile Series opens with a moment of silence for the victims of the 2021 Atlanta shootings, bringing attention to the realities of Asian hate crimes and how cultural and spiritual dehumanization fosters violence. Tim Stafford welcomes his wife Shauna for a powerful dialogue on language, education, and grief, followed by a broader critique of Christian nationalism and a timely challenge to rediscover the communal, redemptive mission of the church. Key Takeaways: • The Dehumanizing Power of Language – Why mispronunciation, stereotyping, and cultural indifference remove agency and dignity from others, and how this plays out in both classrooms and churches. • Holding Sacred Space – The invitation to lament like Jesus, and how practices such as Jewish shiva teach us to sit in grief rather than solve or debate tragedy. • The False Gospel of Christian Nationalism – Examining ten indicators of Christian nationalism, from America-first mentalities to the weaponization of Christian identity for political power. • The Danger of Old Testament Misapplication – A thoughtful critique of applying Israel's national theocracy as a model for American civic life, and why Jesus redefined the kingdom apart from political conquest. • A Listener-Led Discussion – A deeply respectful engagement with an articulate listener who challenges the show's position on cultural engagement and kingdom mission, revealing how dialogue rooted in humility can sharpen the collective pursuit of truth. Guest Highlights: • Shauna Stafford – High school teacher and educator working with diverse student populations, sharing essential insights into identity, naming, and how systemic bias manifests in everyday environments. Resources Mentioned: • "Dehumanization Always Begins with Language" by Brené Brown – [Link] • "Scandalous Witness" by Lee Camp – [Link] • "Taking America Back for God" by Samuel Perry & Andrew Whitehead – [Link] • "The Old Testament Template" by Landa Cope – [Link] • David French commentary on Christian influence and government – [Link] • Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5–7) – [Link] • Previous Vox Episode: "Neither Right Nor Left Nor Religious" – [Link] • Interview with Tim Mackie (on Torah and Israel's role) – [Link] Join the conversation by emailing [email protected] and engaging with us on Facebook and Instagram. We'd love to hear your voice. Watch on VOXOLOGY TV Support us on Patreon Explore our Merch Store on Etsy Visit the Voxology Podcast Website Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Listen to Voxology Radio on Spotify Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and Facebook Follow Mike Erre on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – @GoneTimothy on IG & Twitter Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode as we continue pursuing the true mission of Jesus together. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How Paul's transformational journey from religious dominance to cruciform humility offers a radical blueprint for reimagining ministry leadership in today's churches. This episode dives deep into the themes of power and weakness, drawing from Dr. Tim Gombis's book, Power in Weakness: Paul's Transformed Vision for Ministry. Join Mike Erre, Tim Stafford, and Dr. Gombis for a wide-ranging and raw conversation about toxic leadership, authentic community, and how the New Testament calls us to something far more disruptive—and liberating—than a leadership pipeline or performance metrics could offer. Key Takeaways: • Paul's Transformation of Leadership – How Paul reoriented his entire vision of ministry from coercive power and prestige to self-giving service shaped by the cross. • Cruciform Ministry in Today's Church – A practical vision for church structures and leadership that resist American cultural idols of success and image maintenance. • Confronting Pastoral Ego and Cynicism – Honest reflection on the temptations of cynicism, anger, and self-justification in response to abusive church systems. • Ministry as Cosmic Resistance – How Paul's theology of the powers and principalities challenges leaders to embody a cross-shaped stance in spiritual and social conflict. • Redefining Authority and Success – Why mutuality, bi-vocational models, and practicing weakness can unleash the Spirit's resurrection power in the church. Guest Highlights: Dr. Tim Gombis – New Testament scholar, podcaster (Faith Improvised), and author of Power in Weakness: Paul's Transformed Vision for Ministry. Dr. Gombis shares his journey into rethinking authority, his cosmic understanding of Paul's theology, and practical ways to resist performance-driven models of church by aligning with Jesus's cruciform example. Resources Mentioned: • Power in Weakness by Tim Gombis – [Link] • Faith Improvised Podcast – [Link] • Philippians 2:6-11 – The Christ hymn that inspired the cruciform model • Michael Gorman's writings on cruciformity – [Link] • "This Present Darkness" (cultural reference) + critique of modern spiritual warfare models We're giving away 7 FREE copies of Dr. Gombis's Power in Weakness to folks in vocational ministry! Head to our Instagram or Facebook to enter. Join us as we collectively reimagine what it means to lead like Jesus—not from platforms of dominance, but from postures of solidarity, humility, and Spirit-empowered love. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay engaged with ongoing conversations about embodying the church Jesus envisioned. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV – https://www.youtube.com/@voxology Our Merch Store! – https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market Learn more about the Voxology Podcast at https://voxologypodcast.com/ Subscribe on: • iTunes – https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj • Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr?si=KJoEXxxxTsqE-HiGL-PfIA Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon – https://www.patreon.com/voxology Find the Voxology Spotify channel here: Voxology Radio – https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy?si=3fb86269da0449ed Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast "Like" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com/ Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

A clarion call to the Church to reject the temptation of political power and reaffirm its allegiance to the upside-down Kingdom of Jesus. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford bring fire and clarity in this Exile Series finale, confronting the rising influence of Christian nationalism, the misguided embrace of culture wars, and the tragic confusion between American politics and gospel truth. With passion and unfiltered honesty, they unpack Matthew 7, expose false prophecy masked in patriotism, and call Jesus followers back to a radical life of self-sacrificial love, embodied justice, and Christlike faithfulness rooted in the Sermon on the Mount. Key Takeaways: • Fruit over Fame – Jesus defines His disciples not by giftedness, popularity, or public confession—but by quiet, faithful obedience to His words. • Christian Nationalism Debunked – Exposing the roots and dangers of the "Seven Mountain Mandate" and why equating political dominance with Kingdom victory is anti-Christ. • Cancel Culture and the Church – A striking analysis of how the Church actually pioneered 'cancel culture' through moral panics, boycotts, and culture wars. • The True Mountain of Jesus – Challenging the pursuit of platform and power with a reorientation to Golgotha—the hill of crucifixion—as the model of Christian witness. • Discipleship as a Countercultural Path – Why becoming an apprentice of Jesus means learning to live in community with radical honesty and resistance to celebrity Christianity. Guest Highlights: John Vinalas – Vocally contributes today's Scripture reading from Matthew 7:13-23, anchoring the conversation in Jesus' climactic words on the narrow way, false prophets, and wise builders. Resources Mentioned: • David French: The Seven Mountain Mandate • "The Patient Ferment of the Early Church" by Alan Kreider • Dallas Willard on Discipleship • "Upside-Down Kingdom" by Donald B. Kraybill • Mark 7 and Matthew 7 • Voxology Non-ference & Pastoring As Resistance series (links on Voxology website) • Marvel's WandaVision – for an uncanny metaphor of grief, deconstruction, and hope Join us in confronting the forces corrupting Christian identity in America and rediscovering the radical, subversive heart of Jesus. As the culture clamors for power, we return to the mountain of Golgotha and the Sermon on the Mount, where true Kingdom life begins—and ends. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow the Voxology Podcast to continue the conversation and community. Contact us anytime at [email protected] Engage further: 📺 Voxology TV on YouTube 🛒 Vox Merch on Etsy 🌐 Voxology Podcast Website 🎧 Subscribe via iTunes | Spotify 💞 Support us at Patreon Listen to curated tracks on Voxology Radio Spotify Channel Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike Erre on Twitter: @mikeerre 🎵 Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Tackling some of the most confusing, disturbing, and often-misunderstood parts of Scripture, Mike and Tim welcome author Dan Kimball to discuss his new book, How Not to Read the Bible. This episode is an honest, insightful, and sometimes humorous deep dive into how we approach the Bible's "anti-science," "anti-women," "pro-slavery," and violent passages—and how to keep our faith intact in a world full of catchy atheist memes and biblical misquotes. Dan lays out four transformative principles to help listeners engage Scripture with greater wisdom and humility. By teaching us to treat the Bible as a diverse library written for us but not directly to us—and urging discernment over cherry-picking verses—Dan invites us into a deeper, more faithful way of reading that ultimately points to Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Viewing Scripture as a Library, Not a Single Book – Understanding how genre, context, and audience radically influence meaning. • Written For Us, Not To Us – The importance of cultural and historical differences when interpreting ancient texts today. • Never Read a Bible Verse (Alone) – Why zooming out to listen contextually is key to preventing misinterpretation. • All Scripture Points to Jesus – How the full biblical narrative arcs toward the person and work of Christ—and why that matters. Guest Highlight: Dan Kimball – Author, pastor, and longtime friend of the podcast, Dan brings decades of teaching experience and a passion for helping people explore and wrestle with the Bible honestly. His book, How Not to Read the Bible, is designed for skeptics, faithful Christians, and everyone in between. Resources Mentioned: • Dan Kimball's Book: How Not to Read the Bible – Link • BibleProject – bibleproject.com • Tim Mackie – Co-founder of the BibleProject • N.T. Wright's "Five-Act Play" Analogy – Exploring how Scripture invites us into the ongoing narrative of God's redemption • Greg Koukl's "Never Read a Bible Verse" – Stand to Reason Learn how recovering context, asking better questions, and approaching Scripture humbly can breathe new life into your faith—even when you're struggling with the Bible's most difficult passages. Join the conversation by subscribing, leaving a review, and following us on Instagram and Facebook @voxologypodcast. Have questions or thoughts? We'd love to hear from you at [email protected]. We're on YouTube too: VOXOLOGY TV Check out our Merch Store on ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support us on Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: @MikeErre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the church, scripture, and even your past can be reclaimed—not discarded—through the necessary, messy process of spiritual doubt and reconstruction. Author and professor A.J. Swoboda joins Mike and Tim to talk through the nuanced, painful, and transformative journey outlined in his book, "After Doubt: How to Question Your Faith Without Losing It." Together, they explore how real faith often grows not in certainty but in surrender—wrestling with hard questions that don't have easy answers, while staying tethered to the person and faithfulness of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Doubt as a Spiritual Discipline – Why doubt doesn't signal failure but can serve as a powerful catalyst for refining and deepening a more durable faith. • The Three Stages of Faith Formation – Understanding construction, deconstruction, and reconstruction as cyclical parts of any maturing theological journey. • Inherited Faith vs. Invented Faith – How to honor and critique the faith traditions we've been handed without discarding their value or history. • The Role of Emotions in Faith – Rage, grief, and lament are valid and often necessary spiritual expressions. The Psalms—and Jesus—make space for that pain. • Reading Dead Christians – How engagement with voices across church history can temper modern arrogance and help us discern between core convictions and cultural assumptions. • Beliefs Matter, But Belief Isn't Everything – Swoboda emphasizes faith as trust in the person of Jesus, not just intellectual agreement with doctrine. • The Risk of Apathy vs. the Gift of Curiosity – Why staying engaged—even when exhausted or disillusioned—can lead not to the loss of faith, but its rebirth. • Deconstruction for the Sake of Love – Healthy deconstruction pushes us toward a more honest, loving, and Jesus-shaped faith, while toxic deconstruction either abandons the faith altogether or creates God in our image. Guest Highlights: A.J. Swoboda – Author, theologian, and professor. A.J. brings a rare combination of deep academic insight, pastoral tenderness, and lived experience growing up between secular and evangelical worlds. With humility and vulnerability, he shares how his own story of doubt, identity crises, and rediscovered trust in Jesus informs the practices outlined in "After Doubt." Resources Mentioned: • "After Doubt" by A.J. Swoboda – ajswobodawrites.com • The Book of Hebrews – Swoboda's current course focus and touchpoint throughout the conversation. • Dallas Willard – On joyful resistance and intellectual humility. • C.S. Lewis – A Grief Observed – Referenced for understanding God as the "great iconoclast." • Dead Christian Thinkers & Early Church Voices – Augustine, Athanasius, Teresa of Calcutta, Martin Luther. • Fuller Seminary & Dr. Love Sechrest on Lament Psalms – Insights on rage and spiritual protest. Join us as we navigate a road that many walk but few discuss honestly—losing and rediscovering faith in a way that feels emotionally authentic, biblically rich, and genuinely Jesus-centered. Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite platform, leave a review to support the show, and follow along on social media for more ways to engage with the Voxology community. We'd love your feedback and questions—email us anytime at [email protected]. Check out the following links: • YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV • Vox Merch Store: ETSY • Website: voxologypodcast.com • iTunes: Subscribe Here • Spotify: Follow Us • Support Us on Patreon • Instagram: @voxologypodcast • Facebook: Like Us • Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre • Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Let's keep asking, wrestling, believing—and helping one another find the Jesus at the center of it all. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the invitation to "ask, seek, and knock" is more than just a spiritual posture toward God—it's the foundation of how we engage others without manipulation, judgment, or coercion. In part 10 of the Sermon on the Mount series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford unravel Jesus' revolutionary teaching on relational power, dignity, and the transformative logic of kingdom ethics. Going deeper into Matthew 7, Jesus connects these ideas to the Golden Rule, summing up the law and prophets with a call to communal sensitivity and humility. Drawing from Dallas Willard's insights, Mike and Tim unpack how Jesus contrasts the controlling mechanisms of religion and culture with the quiet, persistent power of agape love and request-based relationships. Key Takeaways: • Ask, Seek, Knock as a Life Dynamic – Why these aren't just prayer prompts but reflect the healthy, respectful way God intends people to interact. • The Relational Power of Requesting – How humility, not coercion, centers our conversations and opens doors for true Kingdom relationships. • God's Goodness as Our Security – Trusting in God's provision allows us to let go of manipulation and embrace non-anxious presence. • Jesus as Embodied Sermon – How Jesus modeled every aspect of what he taught, dismantling the political and religious expectations of his time. • Golden Rule as Kingdom Ethic – Seeing "do to others what you would have them do to you" not as sentiment, but revolutionary counter-cultural wisdom. Resources Mentioned: • Dallas Willard – "The Divine Conspiracy" • Matthew 7:7-12 – Bible Gateway • Galatians 6:1 – Restoring others gently • Leviticus 19:18 – Love your neighbor as yourself • Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:14 – Paul's reflections on the Golden Rule • The Babylonian Talmud (Hillel's version of the rule) Join us on the journey as we rethink how we approach others, ourselves, and God through the lens of Jesus' subversive love. Don't forget to share, subscribe, and leave a review so the Voxology community can keep growing organically and intentionally. As always, we encourage and love discussion as we pursue Jesus together. Questions? Email us at [email protected] or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. We're also on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab some sweet Voxology merch in our ETSY Shop Learn more at the Voxology Podcast site Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support what we do on Patreon For curated Voxology listening, check out the Voxology Spotify Channel Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and on Facebook Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Original music by: Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we navigate relationships through the lens of love rather than condemnation? Continuing the Sermon on the Mount Series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford deep-dive into Matthew 7:6—perhaps one of the passage's most misunderstood verses—exploring Jesus' cryptic words about pigs, pearls, and sacred things. This conversation dismantles harmful religious strategies like condemnation and coercion, and instead paints a picture of a new posture rooted in discernment, humility, and invitation. Drawing on insights from Dallas Willard, the Apostle Paul, and even C.S. Lewis, the episode highlights the destructive loop created by both judgmentalism and spiritual nagging. Mike and Tim invite listeners to replace condemnation with curiosity, supremacy with service, and coercion with love. Key Takeaways: • Condemnation vs. Discernment – Understanding the Greek word "Krino" and the difference between judging someone's value and healthily discerning behavior in relationship. • The Pigs and Pearls Metaphor – Unpacking why pushing even "good" things (truths or moral views) on unwilling recipients often causes harm rather than transformation. • Jesus' Revolutionary Invitation – How Matthew 7:6-12 calls us toward relationship-based restoration rather than control, manipulation, or exclusion. • Parenting, Preaching & Public Witness – Real-life parallels in how parents, pastors, and political Christians often confuse righteousness with dominance. • Love Like God Loves – Reflecting on the sequence of God's covenant love (committed to, with, for, and toward us), and how we can mirror that in our relationships. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 7:1-12 – [Link to passage] • Dallas Willard's thoughts on "Condemnation Engineering" • A Fellowship of Differents by Scot McKnight – [Link] • C.S. Lewis quote on parental incivility from The Four Loves • Galatians 6:1 – Paul's instruction on gentle correction within the church • Acts chapters (esp. 8-10) – The inclusion of the Ethiopian eunuch and Peter's vision of clean/unclean Join us in reflecting on how we speak to, engage with, and love our neighbors, families, and even enemies through the radical ethos of the kingdom. Subscribe, leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts, and follow Voxology on Instagram and Facebook to stay connected. As always, we encourage thoughtful and grace-filled discussion. Feel free to email us at [email protected]. Catch full episodes and bonus content here: • YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV • Learn more at voxologypodcast.com • Support the show at Patreon • Grab some merch at our Etsy Store • Follow us on Spotify via Voxology Radio Instagram & Twitter: @voxologypodcast Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Timothy John Stafford's music: timothyjohnstafford.com Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we discern truth and error, good and evil, right and wrong—without falling into the trap of condemnation? Continuing the Sermon on the Mount Series, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford unpack the often-misunderstood teaching of Jesus from Matthew 7:1–6, exploring the difference between judgment and discernment in the life of Jesus followers. It's a hard-hitting conversation about our tendency to categorize, condemn, and get a "hit" of self-righteousness from judging others—and how Jesus calls us to a radically different way of seeing people. You'll learn how to spot the difference between helpful, humble discernment and harmful, isolating judgment—and what it looks like to both call out sin and remain rooted in love and self-awareness. Mike and Tim also wrestle with the implications of social media, cancel culture, and Christian subcultures that attach labels like "Christian" to all kinds of ideas and products not found in the Sermon on the Mount. Key Takeaways: • The Difference Between Judgment and Discernment – Why Jesus isn't prohibiting the practice of discernment, but instead condemns the separation of people into categories of worthiness. • Self-Righteousness and the "Hit" We Get from Judgment – How we're often energized by outrage and condemnation, and how that distances us from compassion and relationship. • The Sermon's "Log and Speck" Analogy – Removing the metaphorical plank from our own eye before confronting the speck in someone else's requires humility, vulnerability, and deep community. • Judgment Begins with the Household of God – Why Christian accountability belongs first within the body and should be rooted in close, trusted relationships. • Rethinking the Christian Label – How the Bible invites us to practice discernment with nuance rather than simplistic labels like "Christian" or "secular." • Becoming a Community of Discernment – Why we must reject both harsh condemnation and naïve cultural consumption in favor of ongoing, communal discernment shaped by love, humility, and truth. Guest Highlights: • Ashley from Calgary – Kicks off the episode with a beautiful reading of Matthew 7:1–6. • Seth Erie – Offers a wholesome and hilarious mid-episode blessing, reminding us of the joy found in authentic community. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 7:1–6 – Read on Bible Gateway • 1 Peter 4:17 – "Judgment begins with the household of God" • 1 Corinthians & Paul's Pastoral Letters – On church discipline and discernment • "AA and 12-Step Recovery Community" – Compared as examples of non-condemning honesty, community, and accountability • "Christian Subculture" critique – Examining flaws in applying Christian labels too easily • Mike's experience at Onsite – A therapeutic retelling of discovering compassion through others' stories • "Jesus as a Super Spreader" T-shirts – Cited as examples of actions worth critique but not condemnation Become part of a discerning community that reflects the heart of Jesus—a community committed to truth, grace, and transformation. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on YouTube and social media to join the conversation. As always, we encourage thoughtful engagement. Feel free to email questions to [email protected] and connect on Instagram and Facebook. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop our merch: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the podcast via Patreon Listen to our musical curation: Voxology Radio on Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do our fears and anxieties reveal what we treasure most? In this deeply reflective and often humorous episode, Mike and Tim continue their journey through the Sermon on the Mount by unpacking Jesus's revolutionary teaching on worry—and how it's far more radical than a simple "don't be anxious." By reframing familiar verses, they reveal that Jesus isn't offering a Hallmark platitude, but an invitation to reprioritize our lives around an unshakable kingdom. The conversation is also shaped by two thoughtful listener reviews, sparking critical feedback on Voxology's engagement with political and Christian culture, and prompting a rich discussion on tone, tribalism, and critique within the church. Key Takeaways: • Understanding Anxiety through Treasure – Jesus links our worry to what we value most. Worry flows from storing up the wrong treasures—things that fade, fail, and ultimately can't bear the weight of our security. • The Radical Call of the Kingdom – Jesus isn't promising security from hardship. He calls us to live carefree—not because nothing will go wrong, but because God's kingdom reframes what matters. • Birds, Flowers, and False Promises – Jesus doesn't promise that bad things won't happen. In fact, he affirms that suffering is real. But unlike fleeting treasures, seeking the kingdom transforms how we live amidst it all. • Responding to Critique with Grace – Listener feedback on theological tone and political commentary spurs honest reflection from Mike and Tim about how to call out injustice with humility and openness while affirming the beauty of faithful believers doing good behind the scenes. • The Power of Imagination and Deconstruction – Holding beliefs loosely in pursuit of truth, the guys explore why ongoing faith "deconstruction" isn't spiritual peril—but a path to deeper fidelity to Jesus and his way. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 6:19-34 – Jesus's teachings on treasure, masters, and worry • Sermon on the Mount Series Archive – voxologypodcast.com • Amanda Gorman's Inauguration Poem (referenced by Tim in passing) • Past episodes with Tim Gombis and Kevin #1 for deeper theological context Join us on the journey as we continue breaking down the Sermon on the Mount, pushing back against fear and reclaiming Jesus's call to treasure what truly lasts. Subscribe, leave a 5-star review (with kind or critical feedback—we read it all), and follow Voxology Podcast on social media to stay connected. We'd love to hear your thoughts or questions: email us at [email protected] or message us on Instagram or Facebook. Watch on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop Vox merch: Voxology Etsy Store Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Voxology Music on Spotify: Voxology Radio Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford // Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can the Church respond faithfully to modern political chaos without getting entangled in the power structures of empire? In a powerful, raw reflection following the January 6 insurrection, Mike and Tim welcome Pauline theologian Dr. Tim Gombis to unpack how the Apostle Paul might interpret and respond to the events that unfolded in the U.S. Capitol. This episode invites listeners into a deep, sobering conversation about Christian nationalism, fear-fueled political movements, and how the Church can—and must—rediscover its identity as a cruciform, counter-cultural kingdom community. With an urgent call to reject ideological captivity, reclaim gospel-centered political imagination, and embody the radical love and hospitality of Jesus, this episode offers pastoral wisdom, prophetic challenge, and real hope for the future of the Church. Key Takeaways: • Reframing January 6 as Symptom, Not Shock – Why the events at the Capitol are part of a long historical arc of systemic injustice and white supremacy, rather than an isolated incident. • Discipling Our Political Imaginations – How Christian allegiance to political parties reveals a crisis of discipleship and misplaced loyalty. • Paul's Response to Christian Empire Entanglement – Imagining how Paul would pastor churches facing Christians who prioritize nationalism over kingdom living. • Local Action as Political Resistance – Recapturing the lost practice of loving neighbors, welcoming strangers, and subversively embodying Jesus' political ethic. • Church Leadership in Perilous Times – Why silence is complicity, and how pastors can start rebuilding healthy, communal imaginations with scripture, truth-telling, and lament. Guest Highlights: Dr. Timothy Gombis – Professor at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary and host of the "Faith Improvised" podcast. Gombis, a New Testament scholar and author, brings a powerful Pauline lens to help us interpret the spiritual implications of sociopolitical turbulence while challenging the evangelical church's complicity in systemic sin. Resources Mentioned: • Faith Improvised Podcast – [Available on Spotify & Apple Podcasts] • New Book: "Power in Weakness: Paul's Transformed Vision for Ministry" by Timothy Gombis • Hebrews 13:2 – The call to practice hospitality (philoxenia) • Matthew 25 – Jesus' teaching on judgment and mercy • James 3 – Speech, wisdom, and the destructive power of envy and selfish ambition Let's pursue the true mission of Jesus together—through lament, action, truth-telling, and radical hospitality. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay in the loop and join the ongoing conversation. We value your voice. Reach out anytime at [email protected] or engage with us on Instagram and Facebook. Watch full episodes on VOXOLOGY TV – YouTube Grab some Voxology gear from our Merch Store on Etsy Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Listen on iTunes or Spotify Support what we're doing via Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – Website | Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How Christian nationalism has infiltrated the American church and why it's vital for believers to name, reject, and repent from this deceptive ideology. Pulling back the curtain on how political allegiance has replaced spiritual formation, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford tackle tough listener questions about navigating nationalism in local churches, whether to stay or leave, and how the church lost the way of Jesus by embracing cultural dominance over radical love. Key Takeaways: • Christian Nationalism as a False Gospel – Drawing a clear line between the kingdom of God and political ideologies, this episode names Christian nationalism for what it is: a distortion of the gospel that demands unwavering loyalty to a nation rather than to Jesus. • Discipleship Failure in the American Church – Unpacking how decades of culture war theology, poor end-times teaching, and a lack of kingdom-centric discipleship have led to the current crisis. • When to Leave Your Church – Navigating the hard question of whether and when it's time to walk away from a church that has embraced nationalism and partisan politics. • What January 6 Revealed About the Evangelical Church – A sobering look at Christian symbols and rhetoric used in the Capitol insurrection and why we must not dismiss or minimize it. • Deradicalizing the Church – Highlighting the need for political discipleship that is rooted in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount and resists the extremes of both the right and the left. Resources Mentioned: • Article by David French on Christian nationalism and the Capitol riots – David French at The Dispatch • Dallas Willard – Concepts like "Joyful Non-Compliance" • Voxology Episode with Tim Gombis (coming soon) – Discussing Pauline theology and apocalyptic imagination • Pastoral Epistles (1 & 2 Timothy, Titus) – For guidance on dealing with divisiveness and false teachings • Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5–7) – The core political ethics of Jesus' kingdom Join the call to resist false unity and re-anchor your faith in the gospel of Jesus, not the mythology of nation and party. Subscribe to be part of the ongoing conversation, leave a review to help others discover us, and follow us on Instagram and Facebook for more conversations on love, justice, and the church's true mission. As always, we welcome your thoughts and questions. Email us at [email protected] or engage on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the show: voxologypodcast.com Find us on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Voxology Spotify Music Channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the events of the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021—and the troubling use of Christian symbols within it—highlight a critical need for the Church to return to the Jesus of the Gospels. Mike and Tim process these pivotal moments in real time, connecting the cultural crisis to the deeply subversive messages within the Sermon on the Mount. Through honest reflection and spiritual clarity, they examine how political idolatry has hijacked the Christian witness—and why reclaiming the cross-shaped way of Jesus has never been more urgent. Key Takeaways: • The Capitol Insurrection and Epiphany – Why the events of January 6 strikingly mirrored Herod's fear of Jesus and the wise men's rejection of political power in Matthew's Gospel. • Recognizing Political Idolatry – How attaching Jesus's name to political slogans like "Jesus is my Savior, Trump is my President" violates the sacred and embodies taking the Lord's name in vain. • Two Christs, Two Christianities – The distinction between the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount and a distorted political Christ used as a tool of empire and power. • What is Truly "Christian"? – A challenge to use the Sermon on the Mount as the litmus test for genuine Christlikeness, beyond labels, denominations, or political affiliations. • Processing Righteous Anger – Discussion on anger, protest, and "flipping tables" as metaphor vs. Christlike action, and how believers can engage prophetically without becoming what they critique. • Truth as Love – A call for churches and Christians to love others by confronting falsehood and rejecting a unity that compromises core Kingdom values. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 2 – The story of Herod and the Magi • Obadiah & Genesis – Prophecies connecting Edom and the rule of Judah • The Sermon on the Mount – Matthew 5–7 as a vision for radical discipleship • Revelation imagery – The Lion turned Lamb in Revelation 5 • Dallas Willard – Teachings on joyful noncompliance and kingdom living • "Jesus Saves" Flags at Capitol – Real-world example of theological misappropriation • Tim Gombis – Referenced for his grounded critique and online presence • Bruce Springsteen – "The idea of America" as an evolving vision worth redeeming Recenter your vision of Christianity around the teachings and posture of Jesus—not cultural Christianity or partisan power grabs. Subscribe now, leave a review, and follow along as we keep unpacking the Sermon on the Mount and the true mission of Jesus. As always, we welcome your questions and reflections. Email us at [email protected] and join the ongoing conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube! VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the show on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast "Like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How a controversial worship leader's pandemic events, a deeper understanding of Christian discipleship, and Jesus' teachings on money collide in this engaging and raw episode of Voxology. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off 2021 with a candid, convicted conversation on the damaging witness of anti-lockdown worship gatherings, the real meaning of persecution, and why our cultural interpretations of worship and possessions fall short of Jesus' call to discipleship. Starting with an impassioned take on Sean Feucht's pandemic evangelism concerts and culminating in a rich, challenging study of Matthew 6 and Luke 14, this episode grapples with what it truly means to surrender everything and follow Jesus. Whether you're wrestling with cultural Christianity, the church's public image, or personal attachment to material things, this episode offers a thought-provoking roadmap back to the heart of the gospel—one shaped by neighborly love, spiritual sobriety, and radical generosity. Key Takeaways: • A Compromised Witness – Why public worship protests during a pandemic may be harming, not advancing, the name and mission of Jesus. • The Real Meaning of Persecution – Unpacking the stark difference between real persecution and Western inconveniences masked as spiritual warfare. • Jesus vs. Mammon – A deep exploration of Matthew 6 and the rival spiritual power behind money, wealth, and ownership. • "Mine" as a Discipleship Obstacle – How the act of constantly declaring possession over things robs us of the capacity to fully follow Jesus. • Spiritual Minimalism – Understanding the spiritual weight of "owning" and how Jesus invites us to a life of open-handed generosity and freedom. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 6:19-24 – Jesus' teaching on treasures, the eye, and serving God over money. • Luke 14:33 – "Unless you give up everything you have…"—a deeper look into Jesus' demand for discipleship. • The Sermon on the Mount series on Voxology (prior episodes recommended for full context). • Dallas Willard's Concept of Renovation of the Heart – Counter-programming against cultural formation. • Francis Chan, Shane Claiborne, and Early Church Practices – Examples of alternative Christian witness and community ethic. Join us for honest questions and bold conversations about what it really means to bear witness to Jesus today. Subscribe on your favorite podcast app, leave a review to support the show, and follow us on social media to dive deeper into these ongoing conversations. As always, we welcome your feedback and questions. Reach out to us anytime at [email protected] or connect with us on Instagram and Facebook. Watch on VOXOLOGY TV 🎥 Check out our Merch: Etsy Store Support us on Patreon Explore past episodes, listener resources, and more at voxologypodcast.com Find us on Spotify: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Intro & outro music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can we rediscover the purpose and subversive beauty of Jesus through the chaos of a pandemic-filled year? In this heartfelt and hilariously honest "Voxmas" episode, Mike Erre and Tim Stafford bring Christmas Eve energy to the mic while reflecting on the tumultuous and revealing events of 2020. From pandemic politics, cultural unraveling, and spiritual deconstruction to the wild backstory of "O Holy Night" as an abolitionist anthem, this episode swings from silly to sobering in classic Voxology style. The conversation dives into how this difficult year has become a strange gift — exposing religious hypocrisy, broken institutions, systemic injustice, and idolatry in American Christianity. Far from despairing, Mike and Tim argue that moments of cultural and personal unraveling might actually be the fertile soil where Jesus shows up to bring something new and beautiful out of our collective rubble. Key Takeaways: • The Subversive Power of Christmas – Rediscovering Christ's upside-down kingdom in a story often sanitized and tamed by holiday tradition, including how "O Holy Night" was written by an atheist and became a justice anthem. • What 2020 Revealed About the Church – From politicized faith to pandemic-era church failures, why this unraveling may be exactly what Jesus is using to refine and renew his people. • Tithing and Trust in the Local Church – Why Mike still believes in financially supporting church communities — but only the ones embodying transparency, collective humility, and true Kingdom values. • Hope for the Future – What it means to sift, sort, and rebuild with discernment, and why a church reformation is not only possible but already underway. Resources Mentioned: • Article: "O Holy Night Started Out as an Abolitionist Anthem" – Relevant Magazine • Facebook Micro Communities Group – Join Here (verified community page if available) • Give through Patreon • Give via Tithely Link Whether you're burned out, questioning, or desperately needing to hear that you're not alone, this episode invites you to join a tribe of people seeking to follow Jesus more authentically. Find humor, honesty, and hope as we collectively say goodbye to 2020 and move toward a more refined and faithful Church. Subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone you'd invite into deeper spiritual community. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we pursue this journey. Email us anytime at [email protected] and engage with our community on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube, if you're into that kinda thing: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support us on Patreon Stream curated playlists on the Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How Jewish and Christian communities read the same scripture differently, and how embracing these distinct interpretations can deepen both scholarship and spiritual formation. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford sit down with renowned Jewish New Testament scholar Dr. Amy-Jill Levine to discuss themes from her book, "The Bible With and Without Jesus," co-authored with Marc Brettler. AJ brings warmth, brilliant storytelling, and scholarly insight as they dive into how texts like Genesis, Isaiah 53, and Jonah have been interpreted historically and theologically by Jews and Christians alike. Key Takeaways: • Understanding Contextual Lenses – How the way we read scripture is shaped by the "glasses" we wear—our religious traditions, cultural assumptions, and theological expectations. • The Bible as a Multi-layered Text – Why the Bible supports multiple interpretations and how that opens doors to richer understanding, not confusion. • Reframing Original Sin – Exploring the Jewish view of Genesis 3 as an "original opportunity" rather than a catastrophic fall, and what that tells us about human nature and divine relationship. • Why Sacrifice Isn't Always About Sin – How the ancient Jewish sacrificial system was about more than atonement, and how Second Temple practices differed from Christian readings in Hebrews. • Wrestling as Worship – How wrestling with scripture—through community, conversation, and study—is how Jews and Christians can both approach the divine. Guest Highlights: Dr. Amy-Jill Levine – World-renowned Jewish New Testament scholar, Vanderbilt professor, and co-author of "The Bible With and Without Jesus." AJ's unique perspective bridges faith traditions, helping Christian audiences rediscover the Old Testament while honoring its Jewish roots. With equal parts depth and humor, she offers a liberating vision of how interfaith learning can lead to deeper faithfulness. Resources Mentioned: • "The Bible With and Without Jesus" by Amy-Jill Levine and Marc Z. Brettler – [Link] • "The Jewish Annotated New Testament" – [Link] • Luke Commentary by Amy-Jill Levine & Ben Witherington III – [Link] • "Short Stories by Jesus" by Amy-Jill Levine – [Link] • Genesis 1–3, Isaiah 53, Jonah (referenced throughout) – Bible Gateway Dive deeper into the practice of wrestling with scripture and embracing the tensions that arise from differing views—and discover how that journey can actually lead to a stronger, more resilient faith. Got thoughts or questions? We'd love to hear them! Email us at [email protected] and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Check out VOXOLOGY on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Support the podcast! Visit our Merch Store on Etsy Become a Partner on Patreon Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and like us at facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – @GoneTimothy on Twitter and Instagram Subscribe, share, and leave a review to keep the conversation going! As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

A powerful and candid conversation exploring the intersection of sexuality, faith, purity culture, and theological growth in the modern church. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford are joined by Tyler Cherneski, a Cincinnati-based church planter, and Bridget Eileen Rivera, author, researcher, and LGBTQ+ Christian advocate, to unpack the lingering harm of purity culture and how the church can move toward a more grace-filled, Gospel-centered sexual ethic. This episode dives deep into what it means to extend authentic grace to all, the damaging legacy of purity culture, and how to create space for LGBTQ+ Christians to belong, wrestle with theology, and follow Jesus without fear of exclusion or judgment. Together, they examine the double standards often imposed on queer Christians, and call for a more consistent, Christ-like approach to discipleship and sexual ethics. Key Takeaways: • Purity Culture's Lingering Harm – How the idolization of sex as both ultimate good and worst sin continues to distort the church's teaching on sexuality and hampers spiritual growth for many, especially LGBTQ+ believers. • Creating Space for Honest Discipleship – The importance of allowing time, grace, and theological wrestling for LGBTQ+ Christians without pressure to conform to preset conclusions. • The Folk Devil Phenomenon – Bridget explains how LGBTQ+ people have been scapegoated in the church and culture, similar to historical "folk devils" blamed for societal decline, particularly in the wake of 1980s evangelical political alignment and the AIDS crisis. • Universalizing the Ideal – The tension between holding out Jesus' sexual ethic as an ideal without applying it with exclusive or inconsistent standards. • Grace Beyond Straight Norms – Why the church must extend the same grace and spiritual growth process to LGBTQ+ Christians that it routinely offers to heterosexual believers around issues like divorce, remarriage, or premarital sex. Guest Highlights: • Bridget Eileen Rivera – Sociologist, author of Heavy Burdens, and LGBTQ+ Christian advocate pursuing a PhD in the intersection of gender, sexuality, and crime. She challenges assumptions about LGBTQ+ people in the church and offers articulate insights on grace, discipleship, and justice. • Tyler Cherneski – Church planter at City Church OTR in Cincinnati, openly gay and committed to celibacy as part of his journey of faith. Tyler shares how purity culture shaped his formation and how he's pastoring others with empathy, nuance, and Gospel depth. Resources Mentioned: • Bridget Eileen Rivera – bridgeteileenrivera.com • "Heavy Burdens" by Bridget Eileen Rivera – [Link to book] • City Church OTR – citychurchotr.com • "Unclean" by Richard Beck – Exploring disgust psychology and evangelical purity ethics • "The Condemnation of Blackness" by Khalil Gibran Muhammad • Scripture References – Genesis 1–2; 1 Peter; New Testament teachings on Christian community and grace This episode invites listeners to consider how we can be more like Jesus—not by gatekeeping righteousness—but by extending radical grace and making space for everyone to pursue him in community. Join the conversation and help reshape the future of the church toward one rooted in mercy, humility, and love. Subscribe to the Voxology Podcast on your favorite platform, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay part of the journey. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy