Voxology

How the "center-set" model of Christianity offers a radical alternative to legalism, spiritual abuse, and rigid boundary-drawing—and what it means for those longing to experience authentic grace, community, and transformation. Kicking off their new Spiritual Abuse series, Mike and Tim dive deep into Paul Hebert's set theory and how it reshapes our understanding of who belongs, what discipleship looks like, and how churches can prioritize Jesus as the true center. Key Takeaways: • Bounded vs. Centered Faith – How the traditional "bounded set" model prioritizes behavioral and doctrinal checklists, often at the expense of grace, honesty, and transformation. • Dangers of Boundary-Focused Churches – Why focusing on who's "in" and who's "out" fosters legalism, fear, and superficiality. • The Center-Set Alternative – Exploring a transformational perspective where the direction of a person's heart toward Jesus, rather than meeting external qualifications, defines spiritual belonging. • Indicators vs. Boundaries – Why behaviors (like generosity, love, peace) should serve as indicators of heart orientation rather than rigid membership tests. • Church Discipline and Relational Accountability – Reflecting on Paul's example in 1 Corinthians and discussing the delicate balance of transparency, restoration, and protecting community health. • A Call to Build Wells – How churches and communities can be rooted in grace, welcoming honesty and brokenness while always pointing toward the wellspring of Jesus. Resources Mentioned: • Paul Hebert's "Set Theory" (Theological framework on Bounded, Fuzzy, and Centered sets) • Mark Baker – Author and scholar adapting Hebert's theories for modern congregations • Dallas Willard – Teachings on the inward transformation of discipleship • Galatians & Matthew 19 – Scriptural cases for center-set thinking and critiques on boundary models This episode kicks off a larger conversation on the roots and mechanics of spiritual abuse—how legalism, control, and fear undermine the gospel of grace and the heart of Jesus. Join the journey as Mike and Tim dig deeper in upcoming episodes. Let's keep the conversation going—join us on social media, share your story, or email us at [email protected]. And if this episode resonated with you, don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review Voxology to help others discover this community. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Merch Store: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Learn more or sign up for updates: voxologypodcast.com Listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support this work via Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: Voxology Podcast Music by Timothy John Stafford – Insta/Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What if faith doesn't require having all the answers before committing? This episode dives deep into the intricacies of faith, doubt, trust, and belief—and how misunderstanding them can derail a healthy and authentic relationship with Jesus. Mike and Andy tackle audience questions head-on, unraveling misconceptions about certainty, biblical inerrancy, and the differences between core Christian convictions and secondary beliefs. Drawing on the wisdom of Paul in 1 Corinthians, the teachings of Jesus, and modern philosophical perspectives, Mike contrasts the "house of cards" Christianity—where all doctrines are weighted equally—with a more biblically grounded approach that centers on the first importance: the resurrection of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Faith is Action Based on Trust – Not psychological certainty, not theological perfection, not doctrinal agreement. Instead, it's about real-world trust, lived out in action. • Not All Beliefs Are Equal – Paul differentiates between core convictions like the resurrection and secondary doctrines, helping listeners reframe how they process doubts and disagreements. • Jesus at the Center – Trust in scripture flows from trust in Jesus, not the other way around. The podcast emphasizes the importance of rooting belief in the person and work of Christ. • Welcoming Honest Doubt – Mike explains how Scripture makes space for doubt inside covenant relationship, distinguishing it clearly from obstinate unbelief. • "Everything Is Yours in Christ" – From science to philosophy, truth isn't limited to Christians. If it's true, it's God's—and followers of Jesus are invited to receive it without fear. Guest Highlights: Andy—Co-host and question catalyst, Andy raises valuable real-world and relational tensions, including the challenge of faithfulness in broken human relationships and what covenantal fidelity looks like when trust is compromised. Resources Mentioned: • 1 Corinthians 15 – Paul's teaching on the resurrection and the hierarchy of Christian belief • James 1 – Understanding "ask without doubting" in relational, not contractual, terms • Michael Novak – Explanation of professed vs. actual belief through observable actions • Pete Enns and Bart Ehrman – Scholars raising critiques on biblical reliability, used as examples of critical engagement Connect & Engage: Have questions about faith, doubt, or theology? Email the team at [email protected] or join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Instagram & Twitter: @voxologypodcast Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab pod merch here: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Learn more: voxologypodcast.com Subscribe and Review: Help spread these conversations by subscribing on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your podcast app of choice. Leave a review and share with anyone navigating questions of Jesus, Scripture, or doubt. Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Music by Timothy John Stafford – Follow on Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Can a non-affirming Christian hold space for LGBTQ+ voices with humility and grace? Can thoughtful atheism provoke deeper faith? Mike and Andy reflect on powerful listener feedback—one from a 20-year-old gay Christian named Jeremy, and another from "Godless," an atheist guest host—and begin a deep dive into the critiques both raised about the Bible, theology, and the church's engagement with real people. Through Jeremy's compelling and vulnerable email, the conversation explores the complexities of same-sex attraction, love, repentance, and the experience of God's presence even when clarity doesn't come. Their exchange reveals a profound ability to disagree while honoring the faith journey of another human being. Then, responding to "Godless," Mike begins to unpack why he still finds belief in God intellectually, historically, and existentially plausible—even in light of some of the Bible's most difficult passages. This two-part reflection asks: What's the better explanation for morality, consciousness, beauty, and meaning—God or chance? And does Jesus, who proclaimed he fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, actually challenge the interpretive misuses of the Old Testament in revolutionary ways? Key Takeaways: • Listening with Humility – Why Mike and Andy gave Jeremy the last word in their conversation on affirming vs. non-affirming theology, and what thoughtful disagreement looks like. • A Complex Faith Journey – Jeremy's story highlights how trauma, love, and the Holy Spirit can reshape assumptions about what it means to follow Jesus as a gay Christian. • Maintaining Theological Tension – The Vox team emphasizes that positions on sexuality are deeply nuanced and must be held with gentleness and openness to critique. • Why Mike Still Believes in God – Using an "inference to the best explanation" framework, Mike outlines how the existence of God better accounts for morality, consciousness, and purpose than material atheism. • Jesus vs. Old Testament Morality – Introducing a robust critique of how Jesus actually differentiates himself from the legalism of his time and invites disciples into a more radical, coherent ethic centered on love, justice, and mercy. Resources Mentioned: • Oriented to Faith by Tim Otto – A third-way perspective from a celibate gay affirming pastor. • Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes by Stephen Jay Gould – A scientific work that challenged Godless' Christian views. • Matthew 5:17 – Jesus' statement on fulfilling the Law and the Prophets. • The Sermon on the Mount – Read through the lens of first-century Judaism and Jesus' critique of the Pharisees. • Dallas Willard – Insights on moral self and human flourishing. • N.T. Wright's Theology – On the Jewish roots and richness of Jesus' ethical teachings. This episode acts as a bridge between radically different viewpoints—atheistic skepticism and LGBTQ+ Christian faith—and the tradition of following Jesus in truth and love, without simplistic answers or defensive postures. Part two continues this exploration into Jesus, the Old Testament, and how we interpret divine morality in tension with real life. Subscribe, leave a review, and share with your community as we navigate hard conversations with curiosity, grace, and hopeful faith. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can Christians maintain both conviction and compassion in conversations about LGBTQ identity, theology, and inclusion? Episode 41 of the LGBTQ Conversations series explores this critical tension through a raw, honest, and grace-filled response to a deeply personal email from a listener named "Jeremy." Mike and Andy seek to create space for both affirming and non-affirming Christians to remain united in Jesus, emphasizing empathy, listening, and love over litmus tests of belief. In this vulnerable and respectful exchange, Mike responds to Jeremy, a young gay Christian hurt by family rejection in the name of God, while raising essential questions about justice, empathy, and theological disagreement. This episode models how churches and individuals can engage complex conversations about sexuality, identity, and Biblical interpretation while refusing to dehumanize or divide. Key Takeaways: • The Possibility of Shared Community – Can affirming and non-affirming Christians coexist within the same church body? Mike argues yes, if identity in Christ remains central and compassion is prioritized. • The Damage of Weaponized Theology – When non-affirming beliefs fuel condemnation, exclusion, or violence, they directly oppose Jesus's central message of radical love and mercy. • The Role of Empathy in Theological Disagreement – Jeremy's powerful critique centers empathy as the litmus test for love; Mike agrees that deep listening and engagement with lived experience are crucial. • Non-Affirming without Harm – Holding a non-affirming theological stance doesn't require being unloving. Mike challenges the double standards often seen in the church between heterosexual and homosexual sin. • Identity in Christ as the Core – When sexual identity—gay or straight—becomes more central than Christ, it disorients discipleship. Communities must first see others as beloved image-bearers and siblings in Jesus. Notable Quotes: "It's got to be possible for Jesus' followers to love, bless, and serve those they may disagree with theologically… without losing sight of their shared humanity and worth." "The non-affirming view starts with the acknowledgment that we're all broken—so no one should be excluded from grace, community, or the table." "Empathy is the weapon your email represents… and it's the very thing that blows up judgmental religion." Resources Mentioned: • Galatians 3:28 – "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female..." • Reference to Sodom and skewed interpretations of judgment • Stories of Jesus with the Samaritan woman (John 4) and the woman caught in adultery (John 8) • Ongoing LGBTQ Conversations series on Voxology Join the conversation by wrestling alongside us. If you've ever struggled with the church's stance on LGBTQ issues or desired a way forward that doesn't sacrifice love for truth—or truth for love—this episode offers thoughtful, nuanced insight rooted in the way of Jesus. We'd love to hear from you! Send your questions or stories to [email protected], and connect with us online to grow the conversation. We're also on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Check out our Merch Store: Our Etsy Shop Support us on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and on Facebook Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Music by Timothy John Stafford Twitter & Instagram: @GoneTimothy Rate us, leave a review, and share this episode if it sparked something in you. Let's keep learning to love well—even when we disagree. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Discover how faith is often misunderstood as rigid certainty, and why making space for honest doubt is essential in cultivating a trusting relationship with Jesus. Mike and Andy introduce the Faith Series by dissecting misconceptions about what faith is (and isn't), highlighting how real biblical faith is not intellectual agreement or public profession—but instead actionable trust within relational covenant. They unpack scripture, personal stories, and real-life examples to reveal a more liberating and profound view of how faith and doubt can coexist and propel us forward in our journey with Christ. Key Takeaways: • Faith Is Not Certainty – Faith in the Bible isn't about psychological or intellectual certainty. Instead, it's dynamic, relational, and lived out through action—even in the midst of doubt. • Three Misunderstandings About Faith – Faith is not: 1) being mentally certain, 2) professing beliefs to fit in, or 3) gaining theological perfection. • Faith Is What You Do, Not Just What You Say – Drawing on Michael Novak's framework, Mike distinguishes between public, private, and core convictions—emphasizing that core convictions are revealed in how we live, not what we say we believe. • Biblical Faith Is Relational Trust – It's rooted in action based on trust in Jesus, not an all-or-nothing checklist of religious doctrine. • Covenantal Relationship Frees Us to Doubt Authentically – Unlike a contractual view of salvation, a covenantal relationship with God creates space to ask real questions and express lament, just like we see throughout Psalms and the Old Testament prophets. • Faith vs. Sight – Paul urges us to walk by faith, not sight. That means trusting in what we don't yet fully see or understand, rather than demanding full certainty. • Living Your Way Into Belief – Sometimes trust calls us to act before belief and clarity arrive. The process of obedient living often confirms faith more than certainty ever could. Resources & References: • James 1, Matthew 9, Mark 9, Matthew 22, Matthew 28 – Scriptural examples contrasting expressions of faith and doubt. • The Psalms, Lamentations, Habakkuk, and Jeremiah – Biblical precedent for expressing doubt and lament within faithful living. • Michael Novak's "Belief" Framework as quoted in John Ortberg's writings. • "Benefit of the Doubt" by Greg Boyd – Explores how doubt can be a healthy, integral part of our faith journey. Join the conversation and lean into the mystery, questions, and grace-filled journey of faith. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social to keep exploring what it means to trust Jesus with your whole life—even amid uncertainty. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. Use hashtag #AskMikeErre to pose your questions! We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can we reconcile our faith in Christ with the real and painful experiences of depression, anxiety, and mental illness? This honest and compassionate conversation offers both personal testimony and hope for those navigating mental health struggles within the Christian faith. In Episode 10—a milestone moment for the Vox Podcast—Mike Erre and Andy dive deep into the realities of mental illness, exploring their own journeys and how they've found Jesus in the midst of their darkest seasons. This episode is both personal and practical, acknowledging the complexity of mental health and challenging the overly spiritualized or stigmatized tendencies found in some corners of the church. They offer encouragement for those suffering silently and insight for the friends, family, and church communities walking alongside them. Key Takeaways: • Honoring the Reality of Mental Illness – Depression and anxiety are not signs of spiritual failure. You can love Jesus and struggle with mental illness at the same time. • From Breakdown to Breakthrough – Mike and Andy reflect on the deepest moments of despair that led them to therapy, medication, and spiritual rediscovery. • The Importance of a Holistic Approach – Mental health requires attention to spiritual, emotional, relational, and physical well-being; we are whole people, and healing is multifaceted. • Presence Over Platitudes – How we can better support friends and loved ones facing depression by offering empathy, not empty solutions. • Christian Hope in Mental Illness – Through storytelling and scripture, this episode affirms that God meets us in our weakness and rewrites our suffering into stories of redemption. Therapy, medication, and spiritual support each play an important role in the healing journey—especially in a culture that prizes performance and underestimates the silent suffering of many believers. Resources Mentioned: • Scripture: John 9, Romans 12:2, 2 Corinthians 12:9 • Subversive Kingdom – subversivekingdom.com • Email for referrals or help: [email protected] Call to Action: Let's create churches and communities where mental health discussions are normalized and grace-filled. Share this episode with someone who might need it today. And as always, subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to be a part of these vital conversations. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV https://www.youtube.com/@voxology Our Merch Store! https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market Learn more about the Voxology Podcast: https://voxologypodcast.com/ Subscribe on iTunes: https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr?si=KJoEXxxxTsqE-HiGL-PfIA Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/voxology The Voxology Spotify channel: https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy?si=3fb86269da0449ed Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can followers of Jesus wisely navigate an increasingly complex cultural landscape? In Episode 14, Mike Erre and Andy unpack the Christian call to discernment—separating harmful cultural patterns from those that can be received or even redeemed for good. They revisit Jesus's teaching on judgment in Luke 6, explore the biblical differentiation between condemnation and constructive discernment, and challenge oversimplified labels like "Christian" and "secular." Together, they navigate how to engage culture with wisdom and grace, learning from both the scriptures and shared community life. From the uses of alcohol and media to the constructed systems of society that oppose God's ways, Mike offers practical tools for how to discern what to reject, receive, and redeem—all while staying rooted in the love and mission of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • The Biblical Difference Between Judgment and Discernment – Why Jesus condemns judgment that separates people but encourages discernment that distinguishes behaviors. • Understanding "The World" in Scripture – Three distinct meanings of "world" in the Bible and why not everything labeled "secular" is inherently bad. • Reject, Receive, Redeem – A powerful three-part framework for Christians to engage moral gray areas like alcohol, media, and cultural participation. • Discerning Within Community – Why discernment should begin among those we live life with in faith, rather than directed outward toward those outside the church. • The Role of Christian Witness – How personal strength, contextual awareness, and concern for Jesus's reputation shape how we live and love in the world. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 6 – Link • Hebrews 5:11-14 – On maturity and discerning good from evil • John 17 – Jesus's prayer "not of the world, but sent into it" • 1 John 2, Romans 12, James 4 – Biblical warnings about worldliness • C.S. Lewis and Tim Keller on cultural discernment (Suggested further reading) Join the conversation as we rethink the labels we use and learn to see through the lens of wisdom and grace. Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, leave a review, and follow us on social to keep up with future episodes. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How biblical justice, equality, and the true story of Genesis reframe the conversation around women in ministry in the church. Mike Erre and theology teacher Bonnie Lewis kick off a new multi-part conversation on the role of women in Christian leadership, diving deep into Bonnie's personal journey, cultural preconceptions, and ultimately how scripture affirms her calling. This is not a culture war issue—it's a gospel issue. Mike and Bonnie begin by naming the "three ghosts" that haunt the women in ministry debate: the Usurper, the Temptress, and the Child—destructive labels that still shape how many churches treat women who lead. They unpack the theological, pastoral, and gendered barriers still in place within conservative evangelicalism and share how their views shifted not because of culture, but because of the Bible itself. Key Takeaways: • Reading Genesis with Fresh Eyes – The Hebrew word "ezer" (helper) used to describe Eve is a term also applied to God, radically reframing assumptions about female subordination. • Jesus' Countercultural Invitation – Mike and Bonnie explore New Testament stories like Mary and Martha to demonstrate how Jesus consistently welcomed women into discipleship and leadership. • Paul's Contextual Commandments – Rather than timeless prohibitions, Paul's words in 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians are reexamined as culturally specific instructions for gospel clarity. • The Holy Spirit's Work in Women – How affirming women's full participation in ministry doesn't dilute the gospel—it reflects its power to restore what's been broken by patriarchy. • Restoring the Church's Witness – Addressing how inconsistency in honoring women in church undermines justice the church claims to advocate for in the wider world. Guest Highlight: Bonnie Lewis – Founder of the "Find the Blue" podcast and Fuller Seminary graduate with a Master's in Theology, Bonnie shares her journey of moving from silence to conviction. A gifted communicator and passionate theologian, she brings both grace and clarity to this vital topic. Resources Mentioned: • Find Bonnie's Podcast: Find the Blue • Article: "Three Ghosts That Haunt the Church" – [Link] • Scripture Refs: Genesis 1–3, 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 2, Acts 2, Luke 10 (Mary & Martha) • Watch/Listen to the Sermon on Mary and Martha – Search "EV Free Fullerton Luke 10 Mary and Martha" Help us continue to explore difficult but necessary topics like this—subscribe to the Voxology Podcast, leave a review, and follow us on social media. Share this episode with someone asking tough questions about how churches represent Jesus today. As always, we'd love your feedback and questions as we continue this series. Reach out to [email protected] and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us: Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: Voxology Podcast Twitter: Mike Erre Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How unmet hopes and everyday frustration might be the very fuel your faith needs. Mike Erre and Andy unpack the deep theological and existential implications of disappointment—why it shows up in work, marriage, relationships, and even your spiritual journey—and how scripture reveals God strategically using this gap to draw us closer, not push us away. This conversation dives into Genesis and explores the origin story of the human experience with frustration and unfulfilled longing, uncovering how the Christian life was never meant to be an infomercial promise of instant gratification, but a covenantal journey of transformation. Key Takeaways: • The Strategic Role of Disappointment – Why God frustrates our search for purpose in relationships, career, and identity to point us back to himself. • Jesus Isn't the Ab King – How sermons and church culture often pitch Jesus like a product, setting us up for hollow expectations. • Three Ways We Cope with Disappointment – Escaping and medicating, pretending and performing, or learning (counterculturally) to stay spiritually "thirsty" in the struggle. • Covenant Over Contract – Reframing faith as a trusting relationship rather than a transactional promise of blessing. • The Gap That Fuels Faith – Why the ache for something better remains—even for believers—and how that ache can become sacred space for growth, hope, and honesty with God. Resources Mentioned: • Genesis 1–3 – Exploration of creation, identity, fall, and the origin of frustration • Astonished by Mike Erre – [Link] • Fruit of the Spirit – Galatians 5:22–23 • Podcast Archive – Episode on "Soulmates" for complementary context Join us each week as we embrace real conversations around disappointment, hope, and rediscovering the true mission of Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected and be part of the Voxology community. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What if everything you believed about finding "the one" was never actually biblical—or even helpful? In this candid and often hilarious conversation, Mike Erre and co-host Andy explore the deeply ingrained myth of the soulmate, confronting cultural narratives around romance, marriage, and self-fulfillment in both the secular and Christian world. Drawing extensively from the Genesis account of creation and the fall, they unpack how our expectations of marriage often lead us astray and suggest a more grounded, Christ-centered vision for love and relationships rooted in self-sacrifice, partnership, and transformation. Using insights from Genesis 1-3 and thinkers like Stanley Hauerwas and Tim Keller, the episode dives into how Christians are called to resist Hollywood tropes and embrace the difficult but rewarding journey of covenant love, where two imperfect people learn to reflect God's love for humanity. Whether you're dating, married, or spiritually curious, this episode challenges assumptions and invites deeper reflection on how we love and who we expect to change us. Key Takeaways: • The Biblical Portrait of Marriage – Genesis presents male-female relationships as "ezer kenegdo"—equal partners who are both alike and opposite, designed to co-rule creation. • Fallout from the Fall – How disobedience distorts divine design, turning mutuality into power struggle and fulfillment into frustration. • Soulmate is a Myth – There is no "one perfect person" who will complete you; true fulfillment comes not through compatibility but through sacrificial love and growth. • Marriage as Covenant, Not Contract – Christian marriage is less about individual happiness and more about embodying God's covenantal love through service, vulnerability, and resilience. • When You Change, So Does Marriage – You will always marry the "wrong" person because both people in a marriage will change, evolve, and, ultimately, disappoint. The key is growing together through it. • Redefining Fulfillment – Letting go of self-centered expectations in marriage opens the door to deeper joy, healing, and transformation. Resources Mentioned: • Genesis 1–3 – The foundation for understanding male-female relationships and the impact of sin on marriage. • Stanley Hauerwas – Ethicist who wrote extensively on the myth of soulmate ideology and the self-fulfillment ethic in marriage. • Tim Keller – The Meaning of Marriage, for a gospel-centered view of commitment and relational growth. • Psalm 121 – The word "ezer" (helper) ascribed to God, offering profound implications for gender equality in partnership. • Ephesians 5 – Paul's vision for mutual submission and Christ-centered love in marriage. Join us in rethinking relationships and returning to a more redemptive vision of marriage. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and follow Voxology on social media to keep diving into tough questions and meaningful discussions. As always, we encourage and welcome your thoughts and feedback as we pursue these conversations together. Email us at [email protected] or join the conversation on Instagram and Facebook. Watch full episodes on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab some new merch: ETSY Store Discover more at VoxologyPodcast.com Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Support the show at Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Follow Tim on all platforms: @GoneTimothy Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Explore how to understand and engage with the Bible beyond simplistic frameworks, recognizing its complexity, beauty, and purpose in guiding a faithful and Christ-centered life. Mike Erre and producer Andy dive deep in response to a listener's thoughtful questions on the authority of Scripture, infallibility, inerrancy, and how believers can faithfully interpret a diverse library of sacred texts shaped by God and written by real humans. Key Takeaways: • Inspiration Over Infallibility – Why Mike chooses the word "inspired" over "inerrant" or "infallible" when discussing the nature of Scripture, and how these terms have been used in theological "Bible wars." • Messy but Trustworthy – Acknowledging the Bible's inconsistencies, contradictions, and genres not as flaws, but as evidence of its authenticity and relevance to real life and faith struggles. • Reading the Bible Literarily, Not Literally – How understanding the variety of literary forms in Scripture—like poetry, prophecy, narrative, and apocalypse—changes how we interpret meaning and divine intent. • No Infallible Readers – Even if the Bible were perfect in the originals, all readers interpret it through cultural, emotional, and theological lenses, so humility and context are essential. • Improvising the Fifth Act – NT Wright's metaphor of the Bible as an unfinished play helps frame how we live out Scripture today—rooted in the first four "acts" while faithfully discerning how to act in our time based on the story's trajectory. Resources Mentioned: • Book: The Authority of Scripture by N.T. Wright • Scripture Examples: Exodus 1 (midwives lying to Pharaoh), John 8 (woman caught in adultery), Mark 16 (alternate endings) • Ancient Literature Genres: Apocalyptic writings (Daniel, Revelation), Wisdom literature (Proverbs, Job), Hebrew poetry (Psalms) Catch the sneak peek into upcoming episodes, including a moving discussion around World Down Syndrome Day with Mike, Andy, and their families, and a return to questions around gender and the role of women in Scripture. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so you never miss an episode. If today's conversation resonated with you, rate us and leave a review—it helps others find and engage with this journey of rediscovering the Jesus way. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Unpacking one of the most misunderstood elements of the Bible, Mike Erre and Andy explore how seemingly oppressive passages on household roles—particularly around women, slavery, and children—can actually be understood as revolutionary in their original cultural context. Episode 44 walks through a compelling thought experiment rooted in modern-day Saudi Arabia to reframe the function of the New Testament's household codes within a Roman Empire driven by patriarchy and social hierarchy. This episode links past and present, showing how the moral teachings of Paul and Peter were strategic missional tools, not static moral laws, designed to make the gospel beautiful and compelling in an unbelieving world. Learn why the early church encouraged cultural conformity in submission, gender, and familial relationships—not out of endorsement of injustice but out of a radical desire to subvert structures from within. Key Takeaways: • The Power of Cultural Context – How Paul and Peter's household codes aligned with Roman moral expectations not to reinforce oppression, but to remove unnecessary barriers to the gospel. • Mission Over Personal Rights – A Christian's personal freedom is secondary to representing Christ attractively to a skeptical world; this ethic still challenges us today. • Revolution From Within – The New Testament subversively planted seeds in patriarchal systems that would eventually dismantle them, particularly in how men were called to love, not dominate. • Why the Church Should Rethink Power – Christianity has always flourished in exile or marginalization, not as a political power structure. • Women, Leadership & Gospel Witness – Reframing the conversation on whether limiting women's roles in church institutions still aligns with the gospel's expansion. Resources Mentioned: • David Instone-Brewer – Writings on ancient Judaism, divorce, and Jesus' social context. • Galatians 3:28 – "There is neither male nor female, slave nor free…" • Colossians & Ephesians – Biblical household codes and how they are differentiated from Aristotle's. • Dallas Willard – Theological inspiration on joyful resistance and noncompliance. • Historical figures: Josephus and Philo – Illustrating Jewish parallels in accommodating Roman social norms. Join the conversation and help us ask better questions and live more compelling lives as representatives of Jesus in a complicated world. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on social media to stay informed and be part of a renewing community. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

A vulnerable and wide-ranging discussion on the complexities of faith, doubt, and identity as Mike Erre and Andy sit down for a powerful conversation with a guest known online as "Godless"—a self-described agnostic atheist. Raised Catholic, born again in the Assemblies of God youth group, and now an outspoken skeptic, Godless walks us through his unexpected spiritual evolution. With humor, intelligence, and empathy, this episode unpacks how one loses belief, wrestles with deep existential questions, and grapples with the emotional weight of leaving behind a religious identity. This episode isn't a debate—it's chips-and-salsa theology. It's what happens when mutual respect replaces defensiveness and curiosity takes the place of certainty. Whether you're steadfast in your faith, sitting in doubt, or searching for space to ask hard questions, this conversation offers insight, honesty, and plenty of space to reflect. Key Takeaways: • Understanding "Agnostic Atheism" – What the label actually means and how Godless defines his beliefs and knowledge about God. • The Emotional Cost of Deconversion – How losing faith can trigger anger, grief, and a sense of betrayal, even years later. • Faith and Family – What it's like raising a child outside of religion while remaining open to dialogue and exploration. • Misconceptions About Atheists – Godless challenges Christian assumptions around morality, meaning, and spirituality in non-believing communities. • The Problem of Evil and the Bible – Candid wrestling with the moral difficulty of parts of the Old Testament and its implications for belief in Jesus. • Why So Many Leave – The role of the church's cultural posture, treatment of doubt, and inability to wrestle alongside those questioning. Guest Highlight: Godless – Co-host of the MetalSucks Podcast and creator of exclusive content for Patreon at chuckandgodless.com, Godless shares his spiritual story from devout believer to outspoken skeptic, with honesty, vulnerability, and intellectual curiosity. He also opens up about parenting a secular child and continuing to pursue conversations across lines of belief. Resources Mentioned: • Godless & Chuck (MetalSucks Podcast) – chuckandgodless.com • Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes by Stephen Jay Gould – A pivotal book in Godless's shift toward atheism. • A History of God by Karen Armstrong – One of the first books that expanded his view of religious pluralism. • God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens – A key text from the New Atheist movement. • Silverlake Life Documentary – A moving film that changed his views on same-sex relationships. • Iron Chariots – ironchariots.org, a secular wiki exploring arguments for and against belief. Join us as we continue to explore what it means to be people of peace, friendship, and honest questions. Like, subscribe, or share this episode if it moved you. And as always, continue the conversation—we'd love to hear from you. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected] and engage the community on Facebook and Instagram. We're also on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Merch Store: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Visit the Voxology Podcast site Listen & Subscribe on Apple Podcasts Or Spotify Support us on Patreon Check out the Voxology Spotify channel Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @gonetimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How recognizing and dismantling spiritual abuse can lead us back to a healthier, grace-filled understanding of Jesus, the Church, and our place within it. Mike and Andy unpack the final installment of the Spiritual Abuse series by digging deep into Jesus's powerful critiques in Luke 11. They explore how spiritual leaders can lose their way and end up focusing on status, rules, and control, and how Jesus didn't just call this out—he actively stood with the oppressed and wounded. This episode delivers an honest, unfiltered examination of how power gets misused in Christian spaces and how to cultivate healthier leadership and communities marked by humility and grace. Key Takeaways: • Spiritual Abuse Defined – Unpacking how misuse of power in leadership, especially when reinforced by religious authority, creates manipulation, silence, and shame. • Jesus vs. Celebrity Christianity – Diving into Luke 11, where Jesus critiques the Pharisees for status-seeking, pride, and a burdensome rule-based system that hides spiritual toxicity. • Signs of a Toxic Church Culture – Exploring what happens when leaders are more focused on platforms, doctrinal gatekeeping, and enforcing uniformity than loving community. • Everyone Is in Full-Time Ministry – Challenging the notion that those in "vocational ministry" are more spiritual, and recentering the biblical idea of honoring God in all vocations. • Jesus's Radical Invitation to Grace – Contrasting the heavy burdens of toxic religion with the lightness of Jesus's yoke and his unapologetic call to healing and humility. • Four Modern Ways We Add Religious Burdens – Mike goes through performance-based "sin management," theological gatekeeping, gift-projection, and conflating unity with uniformity. • Learning from the Past Without Romanticizing It – A challenge to avoid idolizing church history or prior revivals, and instead discern what God is doing now. • Critique with a Purpose – Emphasizing the responsibility to not only deconstruct harmful systems, but to actively rebuild healthier expressions of the Church. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 11 – Read Luke 11 • Dallas Willard – Teachings on "Sin Management" from The Divine Conspiracy • Larry Osborne – Concept of "Gift Projection" • Subversive Kingdom – subversivekingdom.com • Michael Moore (referenced cultural habits in Italy) – Michael Moore's 'Where to Invade Next' Join us as we continue to wrestle with the complexity of spiritual abuse and the liberating message of Jesus. Share your experience or questions by emailing [email protected] or engaging with us on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube if that's your vibe: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @MikeErre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Let's keep asking better questions, walking humbly, and becoming the kind of spiritual community that truly reflects Jesus. Subscribe, leave a review, and join the conversation. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What happens when a pastor dares to publicly challenge the evangelical embrace of Donald Trump? Mike Erre and Andy dive deep into the storm of controversy that erupted after Mike posted a viral message criticizing Trump's appeal to fear—sparking major backlash from within the Christian community. This episode explores the hypocrisy of political alignment in the church, the myth of apolitical preaching, and what it means to resist false dichotomies in presidential elections. Through personal reflection, theology, and a slew of social media reactions, Mike and Andy question the church's witness in an era when Christianity is too often equated with a political identity. This is a highly charged but necessary conversation about pastors, political rhetoric, and the moral cost of public allegiance to power. Key Takeaways: • Preaching Is Political – Why sermons and public witness can't be divorced from the political implications of professing that "Jesus is Lord." • Christianity and Double Standards – Dissecting how evangelicals selectively dismiss moral failure, depending on political affiliation. • Voting as Worship and Witness – A theology of voting that values conscience, rejects fear-fueled binaries, and embraces non-participation as prophetic resistance. • The "Stick to Preaching" Fallacy – Why speaking out against injustice—even when it's unpopular in evangelical circles—is not abandoning the pulpit, but fulfilling it. • Countering Fear-Based Politics – A call for Christians to resist campaigns that manipulate fear, scarcity, and tribalism in exchange for power. Notable Quotes: • "You would think that following a rabbi who conquered death would make us the least afraid people on the planet." • "Our witness to the world is compromised when character matters for one party, but not the other." • "A vote is not just about outcome—it's about identity, integrity, and discipleship." Resources Mentioned: • Voxology's Jesus and Politics Series – VoxologyPodcast.com • Wayne Grudem's Politically Controversial Article – [Link TBD] • Pew Research on Evangelicals and 2016 Election – pewresearch.org Join the conversation and rediscover a faith that transcends party lines. Subscribe to the podcast, leave us a review, and follow us on Instagram and Facebook to keep engaging in honest, hopeful conversations about Jesus and culture. As always, we encourage discussion as we all pursue Jesus together. Email us your thoughts or questions at [email protected] and connect with the broader community on Facebook and Instagram. Catch full episodes and bonus content on VOXOLOGY TV. Check out our merch store on ETSY Subscribe and listen on iTunes or Spotify Support the show on Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford | Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do spiritually abusive environments form, and why do they often look so "religious"? This fourth installment in the ongoing Spiritual Abuse series dives deep into Jesus' own critiques of religious leaders as a template for recognizing toxic patterns in modern churches and Christian communities. Mike Erre and Andy Lara explore themes of hypocrisy, majoring on the minors, and the death of mercy—all signs that a group is more interested in control and image than transformation and love. Drawing from Jesus' confrontations with Pharisees in Luke 11, they examine how legalism, performative spirituality, and prideful self-righteousness continue damaging people today—especially within churches where power dynamics, surface-level morality, and theological rigidity replace empathy, authenticity, and the true heart of the gospel. Key Takeaways: • Hypocrisy and the Heart – Jesus prioritizes inner transformation over outward religious performance. Mike reflects on how external conformity without internal renewal fosters abusive environments. • Majoring on the Minors – How churches and leaders often elevate secondary issues (like worship styles or doctrinal minutiae) above justice, mercy, and love—a pattern that mirrors the Pharisees. • The Death of Mercy – A lack of compassion reveals a distorted spirituality. "Mercy over sacrifice" becomes the litmus test for Jesus' kind of obedience. • Idolizing Leadership – When church leaders seek admiration rather than servanthood, it weaponizes power and marginalizes the broken—the exact opposite of Christ's model of pastoral care. • Social Media and the Illusion of Holiness – From curated personas online to platform culture in the church, Mike and Andy unpack how performative righteousness today mirrors ancient religious pride. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 11 – The "Woe" Passages: Jesus' rebuke of Pharisaical religion and hypocrisy • Larry Osborne's book – "Accidental Pharisees: Avoiding Pride, Exclusivity, and the Dangers of Overzealous Faith" • Vox update and info on the Vox Community Church – www.voxoc.com • Voxology Spotify Channel: Voxology Radio Join us in this honest, sometimes hilarious, often convicting reflection on why Jesus' harshest words were for the religious—and how his gentlest acts were always for outcasts, sinners, and the oppressed. Share your stories, wrestle with grace, and don't forget to subscribe, review, and follow Voxology on your favorite platforms. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we pursue truth together. Email us at [email protected] and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY – Voxology Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and "like" us on Facebook for updates and new episode drops. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What makes a text "sacred"? Can stories like Harry Potter or Star Wars function as modern scripture? Mike Erre and Andy explore the viral rise of "Harry Potter and the Sacred Text," a podcast treating J.K. Rowling's novels the way Christians treat the Bible—and use it as a springboard to tackle big questions about sacred texts, biblical authority, and how Jesus actually interpreted the Old Testament. This is Part 2 of the ongoing Godless Series, where Mike responds to critiques from a thoughtful atheist listener who contends that Jesus, if divine, failed at clarity and moral credibility. Mike breaks down the Sermon on the Mount in rich cultural context, revealing how Jesus confronted religious legalism of his day—not to affirm everything in the Hebrew Scriptures, but to radically reinterpret them through a lens of love, mercy, and internal transformation. They also dive into how scripture evolves across cultures, the progressive morality of Old Testament laws, and whether divine revelation can be both incarnated and imperfectly understood. Key Takeaways: • Reading Harry Potter as Scripture? – Why it's trending, and what it reveals about cultural hunger for meaning and moral imagination. • What Makes a Text Sacred? – Exploring the subjective and communal dimensions of sacredness and how that intersects with biblical inspiration. • Jesus as a Jewish Rabbi – Understanding "fulfill" and "abolish" in rabbinic terms, and why Jesus didn't just affirm the Old Testament law, but radically re-centered it around God's heart. • Cracking the Sermon on the Mount – Why Jesus's most famous teachings weren't random or idealistic, but a pointed critique of Pharisaical righteousness and a call to internal, transformative obedience. • The Bible's Morally Difficult Passages – Wrestling with how Christians can trust scripture while acknowledging genocide, slavery, or patriarchy in the text—and why Jesus is the lens for interpreting them. Resources Mentioned: • Podcast: Harry Potter and the Sacred Text – harrypottersacredtext.com • Book: Is God a Moral Monster? by Paul Copan • Scripture References: Matthew 5–7, Deuteronomy, Genesis 1–2, Matthew 19 • Vox Community Podcast – voxoc.com Join the conversation as we explore what it means to treat a text as sacred, how Jesus challenged even the most devout religious leaders, and why understanding Jesus in his first-century Jewish context matters more than ever. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay in the loop. As always, we encourage and welcome your questions. Email us at [email protected] or engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop Voxology merch: ETSY Visit: voxologypodcast.com Support us: Patreon Listen on Spotify: Voxology Radio Follow us: Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: facebook.com/voxologypodcast Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How our modern values—individualism, narcissism, personal fulfillment—affect the way we read Scripture without even realizing it. Mike and Andy dig into the deep waters of biblical context, revealing how understanding the world of the New Testament changes how we interpret its message today. This episode helps listeners move beyond a flat reading of Scripture by uncovering the massive cultural, linguistic, and worldview gaps between our modern assumptions and the Bible's original context. Drawing heavily from the book "Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes," Mike walks through six key "gaps" between our culture and the Bible: time, language, customs, geography, behaviors, and especially value systems. The goal? To inspire deeper study and culturally-contextual interpretation that leads us closer to the message Jesus and the authors of the Scriptures were actually communicating. Key Takeaways: • Cultural Distance and Biblical Misunderstanding – Why a 2,000-year gap in time, language, customs, and geography must influence how we read Scripture. • The Individual vs. the Collective – North American readers often read "you" in the Bible as singular and personal—but in the Bible's collectivist culture, it's usually communal. • The Honor/Shame Framework – Unlike our guilt/innocence obsession, the biblical world operated on honor/shame dynamics, with profound implications for how we view sin, correction, and spiritual formation. • Patron-Client Relationships and Faith – The ancient relationship model that reshapes our understanding of grace (charis) and faith (pistis), moving us beyond transactional understandings of salvation. • How Narcissism Infects Interpretation – The danger of reading every verse as a personal promise and centering ourselves in the story rather than God or His people. Resources Mentioned: • "Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes" by E. Randolph Richards and Brandon J. O'Brien – [Link] • "The Patient Ferment of the Early Church" by Alan Kreider – [Link] • Ephesians 6: The Armor of God passage, discussed in a communal rather than individualistic framework – [Link] • 1 Thessalonians 4:11 – Rethinking personal ambition in light of community ethics – [Link] Call to Action: Ready to read the Bible with fresh eyes? Share this episode with someone stuck in a modern lens and explore these ancient perspectives together. Subscribe, follow us on social, and email us at [email protected] with your questions or thoughts on how cultural context changes your faith journey. As always, we encourage and welcome ongoing discussion. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV – https://www.youtube.com/@voxology Our Merch Store! – https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY Learn more about the podcast and community at https://voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on: • Apple Podcasts – https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj • Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon – https://www.patreon.com/voxology The Voxology Spotify channel: Voxology Radio – https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy Follow on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford – https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we navigate leadership, equality, and calling in a church culture still divided over gender roles? This powerful and refreshing conversation between Mike Erre, Andy Lara, and returning guest Bonnie Lewis dives straight into one of the most pressing theological and cultural issues in American Christianity: the role of women in the church. Without rehashing old debates, this episode leans into lived experiences, thoughtful critique, and honest reflection on what it means to be a follower of Jesus—regardless of gender. From examining the complementarian and egalitarian theological frameworks to unpacking common misconceptions, societal influences, and church dynamics, the team asks what it really looks like to reflect the image of God together in community. Key Takeaways: • Complementarianism vs. Egalitarianism – A breakdown of the two dominant theological camps and how their interpretations impact women's roles in the church. • Power and Participation in Church Culture – Exploring how gender disparities in leadership can distort a church's mission and missional effectiveness. • Why the 'Feminization of the Church' Misses the Mark – A critique of evangelical rhetoric that positions masculinity as corrective rather than collaborative. • Deconstructing Binary Thinking – Allowing space for spiritual nuance beyond either/or assumptions about gender, power, and faithfulness. • Modeling Equity Through Leadership – The power of churches affirming women's voices not only in theory but also in actual leadership practice and platform. Guest Highlight: Bonnie Lewis – A theologian, teacher, and host of the "Find the Blue" podcast, Bonnie shares her personal journey through seminary, ministry roadblocks, and finding her voice both within and beyond institutional church settings. Her reflections offer clarity, courage, and a vision for a more inclusive and biblical understanding of spiritual leadership. Resources Mentioned: • Bonnie's Website + Podcast – findtheblue.com • Scott McKnight – The Blue Parakeet • N.T. Wright – Article on Women in Ministry • Gordon Fee – New Testament scholar and egalitarian voice • Craig Keener – Egalitarian theologian • Ray Anderson – Theological works on personhood and ministry • "Four Views on Women in Ministry" – Counterpoints Book Series • Rachel Held Evans, Jen Hatmaker, Jo Saxton – Women leaders and writers discussed • Find the Blue Podcast on Apple Podcasts Join us in continuing this conversation on theological integrity, justice, and equity within the church. Send your comments or questions to [email protected], and be sure to share this episode with anyone exploring what equality in the church truly looks like. Subscribe, leave us a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected! Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: Etsy Shop Support us on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Engage on Facebook Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Music by Timothy John Stafford – Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can we begin to heal from spiritual abuse when the very structures meant to point us to God have been complicit in manipulation, coercion, and hypocrisy? Kicking off a new Luke Series, Mike Erre goes solo to explore Jesus's prophetic critique of religious authority in Luke 11—and its piercing relevance for today's church. Through Jesus's first "woe" against the Pharisees, Mike unpacks a powerful lesson: that external religiosity often masks inner moral decay, and that Jesus himself opposed performative faith with a passion. This episode speaks directly to those frustrated or disillusioned by the church—offering not just empathy, but biblical clarity on why so many have been harmed, and what Jesus really says about it. Key Takeaways: • Greed and Hypocrisy in High Places – The disconnect between polished external religion and corrupted internal motives. • What "Woe" Really Means – Understanding the prophetic tradition behind Jesus's pointed "woes" to religious leaders in Luke 11. • Misunderstood Pharisees – Why Jesus's relationship with Pharisees was more complex than caricature allows, and what modern Christians can learn from their mistakes. • The Paradox of the Outside vs. the Inside – How hyper-focus on rules, tradition, and behavior management misses the point of spiritual transformation. • A Call to Inner Renewal – Jesus invites generosity and humility over conformity and showmanship. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 11 – Jesus's "woes" and prophetic critique of religious leadership • Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel – Old Testament foundations for prophetic judgment • Voxology Non-ference – Details Here • Email your questions: [email protected] Join the conversation as we peel back the masks, wrestle with Jesus's challenging words, and uncover a more honest, hopeful expression of faith. Subscribe, leave a review, and help us reclaim the mission of Jesus. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we show Christ in conversations that spiral out of control? Mark Salomon—frontman of Christian punk staples The Crucified and Stavesacre—joins Mike and Andy to reflect on a recent debate-turned-nightmare with an outspoken atheist podcaster. In this candid and vulnerable conversation, Mark opens up about what went wrong, what he wished he said, and what it means to represent Jesus when the stakes are high and you're completely caught off guard. This episode goes beyond debating theology; it's a raw look at spiritual ambassadorship, moral reasoning without a framework, and how Christians can navigate hostile or disorienting conversations with both conviction and humility. Mike and Andy walk with Mark through the emotional and intellectual landmines of the original exchange, bringing clarity to big questions about God's morality, divine judgment, the authority of scripture, and the place of empathy in a post-Christian world. Key Takeaways: • Representing Jesus in High-Pressure Moments – How to stay grounded when caught off guard during spiritual conversations. • Debates vs. Dialogues – Why the goal shouldn't be "winning" the argument but embodying the love, patience, and humility of Jesus. • Objective Morality & Faith – Exploring the theological conviction that God's authority defines good and evil—even when that feels difficult or cold. • Revisiting the Problem of Evil – Mike breaks down how a world built on love must include freedom, using powerful examples like suffering and disability to illuminate God's bigger picture. • When The Old Testament Gets Weaponized – Unpacking divine judgment, slavery, and God's progressive revelation leading to Jesus as the full image of God's character. Guest Highlights: Mark Salomon – Icon of the Christian hardcore scene and host of the podcast "Never Was." Mark talks through the emotional fallout of a frustrating public conversation, shares his fears about misrepresenting Christ, and reflects with courage and honesty on what spiritual integrity looks like when things don't go as planned. Resources Mentioned: • "Never Was" Podcast by Mark Salomon – Available here • "Pastor With No Answers" podcast – Pastor With No Answers • "MetalSucks" Podcast – Featuring guest "Godless" • Hebrews 1, Colossians 1 & 2, John 14 – Used to demonstrate Jesus as the fullest revelation of God • C.S. Lewis – Referenced throughout the discussion for insights on morality and divine authority • "The Problem of God" by Mark Clark – For exploring tough questions skeptics ask about Christianity Join us as we continue the conversation on how faith and humility intersect in hard places. Subscribe on your favorite podcast app, leave a review, and follow us on social media to stay connected. As always, we welcome your thoughts and questions. Email us at [email protected] and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Visit our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more at the Voxology Podcast Website Subscribe via Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Listen to curated playlists on the Voxology Spotify Channel: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Original music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How a biblical vision of justice rooted in Shalom can inform our response to racial injustice, collective iniquity, and the pursuit of healing in a fractured culture. Mike and Andy dive deep into what it means to embody Jesus's call to peacemaking amid systemic inequity, prejudice, and social unrest. This powerful episode sheds light on how the Church can participate in healing generations of injustice—not through political posturing, but by carrying wholeness into the frayed fabric of our society. Key Takeaways: • Justice as Restoration of Shalom – A biblical understanding of justice as interconnected wholeness, not just fairness or punishment. Justice is the outworking of love and a return to harmony among God, humanity, and creation. • Sin vs. Iniquity – The distinction between individual sin and the communal, generational consequences (iniquity) our society bears today, especially regarding racism and privilege. • Following Jesus Means Laying Down Privilege – Exploring Philippians 2 and Jesus's model of relinquishing status to enter into others' suffering and bring renewal. • Seeing and Celebrating Difference – Why saying "I don't see color" misses the biblical picture of diverse unity, and what it truly means to belong to the "new humanity" Paul describes in Ephesians. • Black Lives Matter and the Church – A call for Jesus followers to support the Black Lives Matter movement as an affirmation of dignity, not a denial of others. The broken leg metaphor: the whole body can't heal until the broken part is treated. • What About the Police? – Honoring the complexity of the situation, lamenting violence against police while acknowledging systemic disparity. Empathy must hold tension. • Empathy Through Personal Lenses – Andy reflects on his interracial family and fatherhood, and how proximity to the marginalized reshapes understanding of injustice. • Gospel Forgiveness in Action – Highlighting the Charleston church shooting and the families' decision to forgive the shooter as a public demonstration of embodied grace and resistance to hate. Resources Mentioned: • Philippians 2 – The "Christ Hymn" highlighting Jesus's descent into service and humility. • Ephesians 2 – Paul's vision of a reconciled "new humanity" out of divided ethnic groups. • Galatians 3:28 – Neither Jew nor Gentile… all are one in Christ Jesus. • Books Referenced: Toxic Charity and When Helping Hurts • Black Lives Matter – blacklivesmatter.com • Non-ference Gathering Info – voxologypodcast.com Join us as we reflect on how Jesus still enters our most broken places and invites us to do the same—for the sake of justice, wholeness, and peace. Subscribe to the podcast, leave us a review, and follow the conversation on social media. As always, we encourage discussion as we pursue these hard conversations. Reach out to us at [email protected] and engage on Facebook or Instagram. Watch full episodes on VOXOLOGY TV on YouTube Shop Voxology merch on Etsy Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast "Like" us on Facebook Music by Timothy John Stafford Social: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the American church's blend of faith and partisan politics compromises the mission of Jesus and why a new, distinctly Christ-centered political theology is desperately needed. In this foundational episode, Mike Erre and Andy unpack five key points for developing a theology of politics that resists culture war narratives and reclaims Jesus's lordship over all of life, including the public square. Prompted by a storm of Facebook backlash to Mike's call for Christians to provide a counter-narrative to the increasingly politicized expressions of faith linked to conservative ideology, this thoughtful—and at times fiery—conversation explores how the American church often sacrifices Jesus's witness for political loyalty. Key Takeaways: • Politics and the Image of God – Politics is not inherently evil; it's a reflection of our God-given mandate to order and care for human society. • Following Jesus is Inherently Political – Jesus's life, birth, and message directly challenged the Roman Empire, revealing that the gospel has unavoidable public implications. • Kingdom Above Country – The kingdom of God is not Republican, Democrat, Socialist, or Libertarian. It indicts all earthly systems and transcends partisanship. • Political Allegiance vs. Gospel Witness – How prioritizing political identity over Jesus leads to hostility, name-calling, and poor witness in both digital and real-life discussions. • How the Church Should Engage – Faithful political engagement flows from kingdom values: nonviolence, humility, justice, love of enemies, and self-sacrifice. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 2 – The politically loaded birth announcement of Jesus • Revelation – As a critique of empire and prophetic call to allegiance to the slain Lamb • SubversiveKingdom.com – Mike's website and resource hub Subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode to help others rethink the role of politics in our discipleship journey. As always, we encourage and deeply value your questions and dialogue. Email us anytime at [email protected], and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube too: VOXOLOGY TV Snag some merch to rep the movement: Voxology on Etsy Learn more and discover previous series at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe to us on iTunes or listen on Spotify Support Voxology on Patreon Listen to our Spotify music playlist: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Explore the powerful implications of Jesus's "already but not yet" Kingdom as Mike Erre and Andy dismantle popular rapture theology and its impact on Christian political engagement and purpose. In this final installment of the Jesus & Politics series, Mike unpacks how a misunderstood end-times narrative has shaped generations of Christians to disengage from social and political action, and why reclaiming a Biblical understanding of heaven, earth, and eschatology transforms how we show up for justice, mercy, and our communities today. Key Takeaways: • Reframing the Rapture – A deep-dive into the origins of rapture theology and why it lacks solid biblical foundation, particularly in 1 Thessalonians and Matthew 24. • The Kingdom is Here (and Also Coming) – Understanding Jesus's message as both present and future, and what that means for living as citizens of the Kingdom now. • Redeeming Political Engagement – Why following Jesus is inherently political, but cannot be reduced to partisan allegiance or single-issue voting. • Heaven Is Not the Goal – Challenging the "evacuate Earth" mentality with a renewed vision of New Creation and participating in God's restoration of all things. • The Role of the Church – From creation care to addressing systemic evil and personal transformation, we are called to embody God's Kingdom here and now. Resources Mentioned: • Visit Vox Christian Community to join the conversation and stay informed – voxoc.com • Subversive Kingdom – subversivekingdom.com • Read: "The Patient Ferment of the Early Church" by Alan Kreider • Cornelius Plantinga's quote on evil and scalpel metaphor Join the mission of living out the Kingdom today—with grace, humility, and purpose. Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, leave a review, and follow us on social media for updates and conversation. As always, we welcome your thoughts and questions: email us at [email protected] and connect on Facebook and Instagram. Watch full episodes on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop our Merch: ETSY Learn more at the Voxology Website Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Support the show on Patreon Follow VOXOLOGY on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What does it really mean to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's? In this bold and insightful continuation of the Jesus & Politics series, Mike Erre unpacks one of the most misinterpreted passages in Christian theology. Drawing from Luke 20 and Jewish historical context, Mike reframes Jesus's response to the trap question about paying taxes—not as an endorsement of dual citizenship, but as a radical declaration that our entire identity belongs to God alone. Listeners will walk away with a deeper understanding of how Jesus subverted both political and religious expectations and how his call to wholehearted allegiance continues to challenge American Christians today. Mike and Andy explore the implications of carrying God's image and choosing to live as citizens of the Kingdom, not of any earthly empire—even when it demands radical reorientation of our identity, politics, and gospel witness. Key Takeaways: • Reframing the "Caesar Tax" Trap – How Jesus flipped a political question into a spiritual revelation of identity and allegiance. • Image and Inscription – Understanding the profound Jewish implications behind Jesus's use of the words "image" and "inscription" in his response. • The Myth of Dual Citizenship – Why Jesus's statement isn't about balancing sacred and secular loyalties but prioritizing God's claim over our entire lives. • Politics & Identity – How Christian identity shapes political posture and why the gospel—not fear or power—should be the driving force behind civic engagement. • Peter's Call to Submission – Reconciling Jesus's radical teaching with Peter's instruction to honor authority, all in service to the gospel. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 20:20-26 – The passage at the center of today's conversation • Jeremiah 7 – The prophetic link behind Jesus's confrontation in the temple • Genesis 1:26 – The foundation of being created in God's image • 1 Peter 2 – Exploring Christian submission for the sake of the gospel • www.voxoc.com – Sign up at the bottom to be part of the potential Vox church community coming out of this podcast • www.subversivekingdom.com – Archive of past podcasts and resources As the idea of launching a new church community begins to take shape, we want to hear from you! If you're in Orange County and would like to be a part of what's next, head to voxoc.com and drop your email at the very bottom to stay informed. Your prayers, resources, and talents could help form a church FROM a podcast—flipping the traditional model on its head. Stay connected by subscribing, leaving a review, and joining us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Let's keep pursuing the subversive and beautiful mission of Jesus together. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How choosing — or being chosen — to parent a child with Down syndrome became one of life's greatest blessings for six parents. In this open, honest, and emotionally powerful conversation, Mike Erre and his wife Justina are joined by three incredible couples in the Voxology "home office" to celebrate World Down Syndrome Day with raw storytelling, reflection, and a resounding message: this diagnosis is not a tragedy — it's an invitation to discover unimaginable joy, depth, and love. Heather and Josh, Mercedes and Andy, and Mike and Justina candidly share how having (or adopting) a child with Down syndrome initially sparked fear and grief, but ultimately transformed them into deeper, more compassionate, and joy-filled humans. The group explores how societal stereotypes and eugenic narratives deepen isolation, while radically inclusive communities, rooted in Jesus' love and example, offer grace, connection, and true belonging. Key Takeaways: • The Beauty of "Yes" – Saying yes to parenting a child with Down syndrome opened doors to radical love, seismic personal growth, and deepened relationships. • Resisting the Culture of Perfection – Against a backdrop of societal fear and genetic "control," these families offer a prophetic witness to the value and sacredness of every life. • Joy in the Hard – While raising children with special needs brings challenges, the community reflects on how "hard" doesn't mean "bad," and struggle often breeds true joy. • The Power of Presence – Children with Down syndrome live fully in the moment, modelling a kind of joy, purity, and love we desperately need in modern culture. • Honest Reflections – Fears around the future, care, and inclusion are real, but so too is the vibrant beauty of the community and resilience that flows from a life rebuilt around love. Guest Highlights: • Mercedes & Andy Lara – Parents of Sunflower Mae Lara, who was adopted with Down syndrome. Mercedes shares the story of radical openness birthed out of heartbreak and rooted in mission. • Heather & Josh Avis – Co-creators of "Macy Makes My Day," recounting the unplanned-yet-divinely-ordained adoption of their daughter Macy, and how it led to a movement of advocacy, writing, and awareness. • Justina & Mike Erre – Parents of Seth, whose arrival redefined expectations, demolished fears, and brought deep compassion, connection, and healing to their family. Resources Mentioned: • Sunny Fun Days (YouTube Channel) – Sunny Fun Days • Macy Makes My Day (Instagram) – @macymakesmyday • Hooray For Sunny (Instagram) – @hooray4sunny • Heather Avis Website + Book "The Lucky Few" (Coming Soon) – heatheravis.com • March 21st – World Down Syndrome Day: Recognizing the beauty and significance of that extra 21st chromosome Join us in rejecting the lie that a Down syndrome diagnosis is a misfortune. Discover how children with that tiny extra chromosome reflect the image of God in ways that humble, challenge, and teach us all. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on your favorite social media platform to be part of this transformative community. Let's keep the conversation going: • Email us your thoughts or questions: [email protected] • Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV • Rock some merch: Voxology Etsy Store • Explore more episodes: voxologypodcast.com • Listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify • Support Vox on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Join the discussion on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford | IG & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we know we're truly saved—and what if we're not? Responding to a listener's heartfelt and raw email, Mike and Andy revisit the topic of faith and doubt to explore some of the deepest spiritual fears many believers keep hidden. From worries about "false salvation" and demon possession to confusion over the Trinity and whether the Bible can be trusted, this episode brings grace and clarity to often terrifying questions. Unpacking Matthew 7 and Revelation 22, Mike reframes salvation not as a contract of religious performance but as a covenant of trust and growing intimacy with the Jesus who invites us into the Kingdom of God—not just heaven someday, but life reoriented in the here and now. Key Takeaways: • Faith as Covenant, Not Contract – Why salvation isn't about praying the perfect prayer or living without doubt, but about entrusting your life to Jesus in honest, ongoing relationship. • Doubt Doesn't Disqualify – How wrestling with belief and asking deep questions can actually be signs of a tender, seeking heart—one Jesus welcomes, not rejects. • The Trinity is Mysterious, and That's Okay – Mike outlines why confusion over the nature of God doesn't mean you're out of faith's bounds—with an encouragement that no one has it fully figured out. • Scripture, Not Checklist – Rediscovering the Bible not as a manual for behavior but as a revelation of Jesus, the centerpiece of God's redemptive story. • Hell, Fear, and the Love of God – Why Jesus' warnings about hell weren't weaponized to scare people but spoke to religious systems that distorted God's heart—and what that means for your anxieties today. Resources Mentioned: • Gospel of Luke – A suggested starting point for encountering Jesus within scripture • Matthew 7:21-23 – Context for "depart from me, I never knew you" • Revelation 21-22 – Imagery of the Book of Life • Hebrew Scriptures (Law, Prophets, Writings) – Background for how Jesus viewed and engaged the Bible • The Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) – The Jewish declaration of God's oneness adapted to include Jesus Let's keep the conversation going. If you've wrestled with questions like Jennifer's, know you're not alone—doubt can be sacred ground. Subscribe, leave a review, and follow Voxology on Instagram and Facebook to join the community rediscovering the beauty of Jesus. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV https://www.youtube.com/@voxology Our Merch Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/VOXOLOGY?ref=shop_sugg_market Learn more about the Voxology Podcast: https://voxologypodcast.com/ Subscribe on iTunes: https://apple.co/1Lla1Nj or Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Mvxz3OQDSkEpHujXiFkkr Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/voxology The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio – https://open.spotify.com/user/nj2l08pd1zt6zk3azs1plhmdy Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/voxologypodcast Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford – https://www.timothyjohnstafford.com/ Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the church can reclaim its true mission by removing the cultural, political, and institutional distortions that obscure the beauty of Jesus. Mike Erre and Andy unpack the heart of Voxology's purpose—to make Jesus beautiful again by reflecting his love, humility, and upside-down kingdom. Leveraging Scripture, personal stories, and candid critiques of modern Christianity, this episode aims to remind followers of Jesus what it truly means to represent him to the world. Key Takeaways: • Understanding the Core Mission – Why "making Jesus beautiful" doesn't mean altering Jesus, but removing the human-made ugliness that keeps people from seeing him clearly. • Reclaiming a Counter-Cultural Faith – Exploring the contrast between the Jesus of the Gospels and the ways he's been misrepresented through political alliances, judgmentalism, and nationalism. • The Responsibility of the Church – How followers of Jesus are called not just to preach, but to embody love, humility, and grace with credibility and compassion. • The Power of Gospel-Centered Living – Why ordinary acts of kindness, hospitality, empathy, and forgiveness reflect the radical beauty of Jesus and invite others into the kingdom. • Deconstructing Christian Entitlement – A challenging discussion on how movements for religious freedom can actually make Jesus less visible when used to avoid serving others. Notable Quotes: • "Jesus is already beautiful. Our job isn't to make him more so—but to get out of the way so that beauty shines through." • "Loving people who love you is easy—loving your enemies is beautiful." • "Our main challenge isn't secularism or persecution—it's centuries of ugliness done in Jesus' name." Guest Highlights: Features regular hosts Mike Erre and Andy, whose humor, honesty, and deep commitment to the mission of Jesus set the tone for this transformative episode. Resources Mentioned: • John 12 – Jesus' teaching on being "lifted up" to draw all people to himself • 2 Corinthians 5 – Paul's appeal to be ambassadors of reconciliation • Ephesians 5:1-2 – Imitating God by walking in love • 1 Corinthians 13 – Love defined as the metric of Christlikeness • Acts 17 – Paul's address to the Athenians and contextual gospel invitation • Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John – Encouraged study for rediscovering Jesus • Bart Tarman's "Mentor" story – A call to fall in love with the real Jesus again • Jude 1:24–25 – Closing benediction celebrating God's goodness Join us as we pursue a faith that reflects the true Jesus—not the distorted one built by cultural battles and political convenience. Let's strip off the grime and shine his light with humility, empathy, and truth. If this conversation moved you, help others discover it—subscribe, leave us a review, and share a link with a friend. You can also engage by emailing us at [email protected] or connecting on social media. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How does science intersect with faith, and what happens when that intersection helps you find your way back to God? In this episode, Mike Erre and Andy sit down with Science Mike (Mike McHargue), co-founder of The Liturgists and host of "Ask Science Mike", for a funny, thoughtful, and wide-ranging conversation about evolution, neurotheology, gender, sexuality, spiritual trauma, and how science can invite us deeper into wonder — not away from faith. With a background in marketing and zero formal scientific credentials, Science Mike built a massive following by offering nonjudgmental, inclusive dialogue about life's biggest questions. This episode explores how neuroscience supports different conceptions of God (angry vs. loving), the science of identity and orientation, and how shame-based religion causes lasting harm to those who dare to doubt. Key Takeaways: • Science as a Bridge to Faith – Mike shares his journey from devout Southern Baptist to atheist to mystic, helped along the way by cosmology, quantum physics, and neuroscience. • Neurotheology & God's Nature – The brain's picture of an angry God leads to fear and control, while a loving God actually rewires your brain for empathy and grace. • Spiritual PTSD – What happens when churches mirror authoritarian power structures, and how people can find healing from spiritual abuse through safe relationships and storytelling. • Sexuality and Gender in Science – A look at the surprising research on transgender identity, intersex births, and how simplistic gender binaries fail to reflect biological realities. • Faith and Evolution – The five major Christian views on Genesis and creation, and how belief in evolution doesn't disqualify someone from being a devoted follower of Jesus. • The Missing Middle – Mike discusses why his work resonates with people disillusioned by both hard-line atheism and rigid theology — and how open conversations can heal. • Prayer and Bible Meditation – Scientific insight into how practices like contemplative prayer and Lectio Divina literally reshape the brain for connection to a loving God. Guest Highlights: Mike "Science Mike" McHargue – Author, speaker, and podcast host who explores the intersection of science, faith, and human experience with curiosity and compassion. Known for his work on The Liturgists podcast and Ask Science Mike, his new book Finding God in the Waves shares his personal story of losing religion and finding a mystic faith rooted in both reason and mystery. Resources Mentioned: • Science Mike's website & book: findinggodinthewaves.com • Ask Science Mike Podcast – asksciencemike.com • The Liturgists Podcast – theliturgists.com • BioLogos (Science + Faith) – biologos.org • Andrew Newberg's work on Neurotheology – Center for Spirituality and the Mind If this conversation moved you, challenged you, or made you curious to learn more, consider sharing it with a friend. And don't forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, leave a review, and join the ongoing conversation on social media. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we reconcile the gap between the radical love of Jesus and painful experiences people endure within Christianity? This reflective episode dives deep into spiritual abuse—what it is, what it isn't, and why it's such a vital conversation for modern followers of Jesus and those harmed by the Church. Mike Erre and co-host Andy start a thoughtful, at times humorous, exploration of what happens when Christian leadership gets it wrong and how we can move forward with honesty, grace, and accountability. Key Takeaways: • Spiritual Abuse Defined – A breakdown of what spiritual abuse involves: manipulation, coercion, shaming, and misusing God's authority for personal gain. • Jesus and Abusive Leadership – How the harshest critiques from Jesus and the prophets were aimed at religious leaders who strayed from God's heart. • What Spiritual Abuse Is NOT – Helpful clarifications on the difference between abuse and conflict, unmet expectations, or strong leadership styles. • The Importance of Fruit – Discussing the biblical metaphor of "fruit" to discern spiritual health in leaders and Christian communities. • Western Individualism vs. Biblical Community – Why our cultural obsession with autonomy often clashes with the collective nature of the Church. • Church Discipline Misunderstood – The difference between healthy correction and abuse masquerading as spiritual authority. • Cautions for Spiritual Leaders – Personal reflection on the temptation to feed off the church rather than feeding it. Resources Mentioned: • Scriptures Referenced: Galatians 5 (Fruit of the Spirit), Matthew 23 (Jesus on religious leaders), Ezekiel 34 (false shepherds) • "Spotlight" (2015 film) – A look at the danger of systemic spiritual abuse • SubversiveKingdom.com – For further engagement and resources from Mike • For more on healthy church leadership: VoxologyPodcast.com Call to Action: Help us change the conversation by sharing this challenging episode with someone who may need healing or clarity. To continue shaping conversations that matter, leave us a review on iTunes, subscribe on Spotify, and follow @voxologypodcast on Instagram and Facebook. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Email questions or share your story at [email protected]. We're also on YouTube! Watch full-length episodes & more at VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store gets fresh drops: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Support Voxology on Patreon: Join Our Community Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre The conversation doesn't end here—join the Voxology community as we try, fail, learn, and grow forward together in Christian faith. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How can the legalization of gay marriage serve the Church? In this bold and unfiltered opening episode of Vox (previously the Vox Podcast), Mike Erre and creative engineer Andy Lara set the tone for a raw and honest exploration of Christianity's intersection with culture. Unsure the world needs one more podcast, Mike makes it crystal clear why this one matters: to examine how Jesus challenges every side of every issue, particularly when it comes to LGBTQ+ issues, church hypocrisy, and cultural polarization. Mike dives into what our current moment reveals about the Church's response to cultural shifts like the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage. Rather than lament or dig in, he outlines four surprising reasons why this cultural shift might actually press the church toward greater faithfulness—to grace, love, and the radical example of Jesus. Key Takeaways: • Confronting Hypocrisy in the Church – The gay marriage debate reveals stark double standards, especially compared to how divorce and sexual sin are addressed within Christian communities. • Repentance and Reconciliation – The Church must own its history of exclusion and harm towards LGBTQ+ individuals and adopt a posture of humility and apology rather than judgment. • Rediscovering a Theology of Sexuality – The cultural moment creates a new opportunity to articulate a robust, biblical, and positive vision of sexuality, rather than relying on shame-based teaching or silence. • Moving Beyond the Culture War – The loss of political leverage may free the Church to refocus on embodying the teachings of Jesus, rather than fighting ideological battles. Actionable Insights: • Recognize where moral outrage has overshadowed grace and truth. • Begin conversations with young people about sexuality in open, biblically grounded ways. • Shift from a culture-war mindset to discipleship and hospitality for all people, especially those exploring identity and belonging. Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 19 – Jesus's teachings on divorce • 1 Corinthians 5:12 – Paul's challenge on judging outsiders • Upcoming series on table fellowship and Jesus' subversive hospitality Join Mike and Andy as they launch this journey toward reclaiming the Church's voice as a place of radical welcome, honest critique, and deeper allegiance to Jesus. Want to ask questions, engage the conversation, or offer feedback? Email us at [email protected]. We're on YouTube too: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Follow the Voxology Podcast: • Voxology Podcast Website • Subscribe on iTunes • Listen on Spotify • Support on Patreon • Voxology Radio on Spotify Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Subscribe, share the podcast, and leave us a review to help spread these conversations and invite others into the journey of rediscovering the true mission of Jesus. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How learning to grieve and lament can deepen our faith, not destroy it. Mike Erre sits down with special guest Bonnie Lewis to explore why lament is so often missing from Christian spaces, and how embracing it can transform both our understanding of God and our healing from trauma. Sharing her gripping story of personal loss, chronic illness, and spiritual reconstruction, Bonnie walks us through the messy reality of questioning God, confronting shame, and learning to carry grief without letting it define us. This episode is a tender, honest reflection on loss, faith, depression, and rediscovering Jesus in the most difficult seasons of life. Key Takeaways: • The Missing Voice of Lament in Evangelical Culture – Why many churches bypass pain and grief, and how this avoidance perpetuates shame and spiritual isolation. • Grieving Doesn't Mean Doubting – Understanding that sorrow, doubt, and faith can coexist—and how the Psalms model holy protest and intimacy with God through pain. • Redefining Strength and Healing – How Bonnie and her family chose to move toward wholeness by making countercultural decisions in the wake of loss and chronic illness. • Orientation, Disorientation, Reorientation – Mike and Bonnie draw on the typology of Walter Brueggemann to explore how disruption in our lives can deepen our theology and strip away false formulas. • Learning to Carry Grief, Not Escape It – Why the Christian life isn't about avoiding suffering, but learning to walk through it with empathy, honesty, and hope. Guest Highlights: Bonnie Lewis – Speaker, writer, and founder of "Find the Blue." With a degree in theology and specialization in spiritual formation, Bonnie shares her deeply personal journey through mold poisoning, debilitating chronic pain, and the stillbirth of her second child—and how that suffering challenged and reshaped her understanding of God, grace, and courage. Resources Mentioned: • Find the Blue with Bonnie Lewis – Follow on Facebook and look for her upcoming podcast and website! • Walter Brueggemann's Psalms Typology – Orientation, Disorientation, Reorientation framework • John 11: Jesus Wept – Scriptural foundation for the practice of lament • Lamentations, Habakkuk, and the Psalms – Biblical books that model honest grief and spiritual wrestling • Romans 8:28 in Context – Exploring what "the good" truly means in suffering Let's stop pretending and start showing up for one another in the places of heartbreak and disappointment. Subscribe to the Voxology podcast, leave us a review, and follow us on social media to continue the conversation as we seek the voice of Jesus in all things. As always, we encourage discussion as we journey together toward truth. Email questions to [email protected] and connect with us on Facebook and Instagram. Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Shop our Merch: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Learn more at VoxologyPodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the show on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford | Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the example of Jesus offers a radical blueprint for engaging LGBTQ+ questions and moral debates with transformative grace and humility before judgment. Drawing from Luke 6, Deuteronomy 21, and Paul's letters, Mike Erre and Andy Lara unpack why the church has often missed the mark by prioritizing correction over compassion—and how we can do better. Key Takeaways: • Judging Others vs. Discernment – Mike explains the crucial difference between crino (righteous discernment) and condemnation, and how misunderstanding this distinction leads Christians to misrepresent Jesus. • Jesus and the Gay Wedding Question – Diving into the controversy surrounding Jesus' potential attendance at a gay wedding, Mike illustrates how Jesus' presence at celebratory, public meals with "sinners" was perceived as endorsement—and why His model challenges the church's current postures. • Mercy as the Core of Discipleship – Why Jesus said "be merciful as your Father is merciful" instead of "be holy" as the primary command and what that tells us about wielding truth with love. • Why Grace is Transformative – Real gospel grace changes people—and Mike argues that grace shown scandalously, even before "truth is spoken," creates the conditions for repentance and transformation. • Paul's Take on Judgment – Andy sets up a discussion on Paul's rules for judgment within the church, and Mike outlines how discernment belongs in close-knit faith communities among believers—not lobbed at the wider culture or the LGBTQ+ community. • Personal Reflections on Sin and Separation – Mike shares personal examples of when avoiding certain contexts is warranted, and when extending grace in hard spaces is truly Christlike. Resources Mentioned: • Luke 6 – Jesus' radical teaching on mercy and judgment • Deuteronomy 21:18–21 – Comparison to Jesus being called a glutton and drunkard • Galatians 6:1 – Restoring others gently • 1 Corinthians 5 – Paul's instruction on judging within the church • Subversivekingdom.com – Mike Erre's platform for deeper engagement Join us in creating a culture where grace precedes judgment and love leads the way. Subscribe, leave a review, and keep the dialogue moving forward on Instagram and Facebook. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue truth in love. Send your thoughts to [email protected]. Watch us on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Grab some fresh Voxology gear here: ETSY SHOP Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the show via Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

Re-examining what it means to represent Jesus in a world divided by religion, politics, and identity, Mike and Andy explore Luke 5 and challenge Christians to re-center their faith through grace before truth. This episode grapples with the scandal of Jesus' table fellowship—specifically his choice to associate with "sinners"—and unpacks how modern believers can extend radical grace to LGBTQ+ individuals, people with disabilities, and anyone traditionally excluded by religious communities. The discussion also takes a deeply personal turn as both hosts share the profound impact of raising children with Down syndrome. They offer their families' stories as prophetic reminders that human value cannot be measured by productivity or conformance but by intrinsic worth grounded in the image of God. Key Takeaways: • Grace Leads the Way – Why Jesus always fronted grace before truth and how American Christians have reversed this order to damaging effect. • The Radical Table of Jesus – How Jesus used meals to demonstrate inclusion, subvert purity codes, and disrupt the Pharisaic approach to holiness. • Pharisees vs. Jesus – Unpacking the four ways Jewish sects responded to Roman oppression, and why Jesus' method of association was considered dangerous. • Loving Without Footnotes – How the church's obsession with background checks, moral vetting, and double standards weakens its witness to a hurting world. • Affirming the Prophetic Voice of People with Disabilities – Mike and Andy share about their children with Down syndrome and how they reflect a deeper call to human dignity and resistance against societal pressure to conform or produce. Guest Highlights: Andy Lara – In addition to being Mike's co-host, Andy recounts the viral adoption of his daughter Sunflower May and talks openly about the journey of welcoming a child with Down syndrome into his family. He offers a beautiful vision of seeing these children as disarming agents of joy and transformation. Resources Mentioned: • Sunny's Adoption Story – youtube.com/sunnyfundays • Scripture References – Luke 5, Leviticus 11, Exodus 19, Matthew 9, Luke 19 • Roeh Summit's song "Giant" – roehsummit.com/shop Join the Voxology community in challenging religious norms and rediscovering the subversive power of Jesus' hospitality. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode to help us spread the message of grace without footnotes. We'd love to hear your story and questions—email us at [email protected] and engage with us on Facebook and Instagram. Watch full episodes on VOXOLOGY TV Check out our merch store: ETSY Support the show on Patreon Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Follow us on social: Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: Voxology Podcast Twitter: @mikeerre Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

What does it truly mean to love someone you disagree with—especially in matters of identity, sexuality, and theology? Mike Erre and Andy Lara dig into a critically important (and often misused) phrase in Christian culture: "Love the sinner, hate the sin." In this thought-provoking episode, they unpack why this mindset—while well-intended—may actually undermine the transformative power of Jesus' love and twist the gospel's radical message of grace, especially for the LGBTQ+ community and those navigating the church's cultural contradictions. This episode challenges listeners to reevaluate how they approach difficult relational and theological conversations, particularly through the lens of love as demonstrated by Jesus, Paul, and the early church. With humor, honesty, and theological depth, Mike and Andy call for a new way of engaging others—one defined not by judgment or disapproval, but by costly presence, advocacy, and Christ-like transformation. Key Takeaways: • Why "Love the sinner, hate the sin" fails the gospel test and often leads to relational harm. • How Jesus and Paul modeled a radically different posture toward so-called outsiders—especially women and marginalized groups. • Reframing love: Four dimensions of godly love—commitment to someone, being with them, being for them, and loving them toward something. • Table fellowship and the ethics of presence—why simply being with others can speak volumes more than correction. • The danger in obsessing over "approving or disapproving" of others and how it distracts us from the mission of embodying Christ. • What accountability, repentance, and truth-telling look like inside real, loving relationships. • How cultural Christianity replaces Jesus' radical hospitality with coercive moralism. Resources Mentioned: • A Fellowship of Differents by Scot McKnight – [Link] • Luke 8 and the role of women in Jesus' ministry – [Link] • Ephesians 5 and mutual submission theology – [Link] • Galatians 3:28 – Unity in Christ regardless of gender or status – [Link] • John 8: The woman caught in adultery – [Link] • Romans 12: Hate what is evil; cling to what is good – [Link] Join the Voxology crew in dismantling harmful clichés and finding a deeper, more faithful way forward in how we love, correct, and walk with one another—especially when it's complicated. Subscribe, share your questions, and be part of the community reshaping the modern church around the real Jesus. Leave us a review and follow Voxology Podcast on Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook. As always, we encourage and invite your feedback as we walk this journey together. Got thoughts or questions? Email us at [email protected] and join the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube too: VOXOLOGY TV Check out our Merch Store: Etsy – VOXOLOGY Explore more from Voxology: voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon Discover curated music at Voxology Radio on Spotify Follow Mike on Twitter: @MikeErre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the church responds to fear, especially in moments of national crisis, reveals a deeper truth about what we treasure. In this emotionally charged and challenging episode of the Exile Series, Mike Erre and Andy broach the tension between Jesus' command to love our neighbor and the evangelical fear complex that often dominates Western Christian discourse. Using the Syrian refugee crisis and the reaction following the Paris attacks as a backdrop, they ask: What does it really mean to follow Jesus in a world gripped by fear and self-preservation? Key Takeaways: • The Evangelical Fear Complex – How American Christianity's obsession with safety, comfort, and cultural dominion often undercuts the radical compassion Jesus calls us to. • Jesus as a Refugee – Revisiting the biblical narrative of Jesus fleeing persecution and why it matters, especially in light of refugee and immigration debates. • Treasuring the Right Things – A deep dive into the Sermon on the Mount and how anxiety reveals misplaced treasure. Jesus calls us to reform what we value in a world of moth, rust, and fear. • The Church's True Witness – Why the witness of the early church—serving sacrificially in times of plague and persecution—offers a powerful contrast to today's reactive fear posture. • Practical Faith vs. Performative Outrage – Mike and Andy explore how to move beyond social media posturing and into real-life hospitality, community building, and sacrificial love. Notable Quotes: • "Jesus isn't calling us to have peace because bad things won't happen—He calls us to have peace because we treasure things that can't be taken away." • "Our job isn't to be safe. Our job is to make Jesus beautiful in the world." • "The world doesn't need louder Christians. It needs more loving ones." Resources Mentioned: • Sermon on the Mount – Matthew 6 – Read it here • Letter from Kansas Clergy to Governor Sam Brownback – Expressing Christian opposition to refugee bans. • Jesus for President by Shane Claiborne – A provocative look at how Jesus transcends political allegiances. • The Early Church's Response to Plague – Eusebius & Bishop Dionysius – Historical examples of Christian sacrifice during epidemics. Join the conversation on what it means to follow Jesus without fear. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and follow us on social to stay linked with the voices rethinking faith in a complex world. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected] and engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we walk with people through pain when words fail and comfort clichés do more harm than good? In part two of our conversation with friend and author Bonnie Lewis, the Voxology crew explores a practical theology of grief, suffering, and lament during the holiday season—a time when joy is expected but heaviness looms for so many. From horror stories of well-meaning but damaging responses, to the power of simply being present, this episode offers clarity, compassion, and biblical insight for navigating dark seasons with honesty and hope. Key Takeaways: • Cracking the Code of Christian Clichés – Why sayings like "God won't give you more than you can handle" and "everything happens for a reason" miss the mark and how they hurt more than help. • A Biblical Case for Lament – Exploring Psalms of disorientation and the theological power of grieving as a form of covenant faithfulness. • Sitting in the Silence – How Jewish grieving practices like sitting Shiva offer a counter-cultural model for communal empathy and presence. • How to Actually Help – Concrete, compassionate ways to support someone in grief without fixing, comparing, or rushing the healing process. • Jesus Wept—So Can We – What the shortest verse in the Bible teaches us about mourning even when the resurrection is on its way. Guest Highlights: Bonnie Lewis – Writer, theologian, and new host of the Find the Blue podcast, Bonnie shares from her lived experience of loss and faith, offering heartfelt wisdom and practical encouragement for anyone walking through or walking with others in grief. Resources Mentioned: • Bonnie Lewis's Podcast – Find the Blue • Book: Astonished: Recapturing the Wonder of Jesus by Mike Erre • Dallas Willard's Writings on Joy and Resistance • Walter Brueggemann's Typology of Psalms • Jewish Practice of Sitting Shiva – Learn More • Voxology Non-ference Updates – [Link] Reimagine what healing, community, and theological honesty can look like. Join us in un-learning harmful habits, reclaiming the biblical beauty of lament, and offering something deeper than thoughts and prayers. Share your experience with grief, hope, or questions by emailing [email protected], or join the conversation on our social media platforms. Watch on VOXOLOGY TV on YouTube Shop Voxology Merch on Etsy Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the podcast on Patreon Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast Like us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford (@GoneTimothy on Instagram & Twitter) As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How do we carry truth and love in today's complex conversations around sexuality, identity, and faith? This episode explores one of the most sacred cows in the modern church: how Jesus might engage with both affirming and non-affirming sides of LGBTQ+ conversations, while staying rooted in his Jewish context and countercultural message of surrender and grace. With raw honesty and biblical depth, Mike and Andy wade through questions from the Vox Mailbag on everything from Christmas decorations and the "war on Starbucks cups" to the deep waters of sexual ethics, divine identity, and church leadership. Featuring a guest appearance by JJ Carroll (and his mustache), this wide-ranging conversation unpacks how Christians should think about desire, orientation, ministry qualifications, and being disciples in a pluralistic democracy. Key Takeaways: • Embracing Jesus's Jewish Context – Jesus didn't appear in a vacuum. His cultural context informs how he would likely have engaged sexual ethics. • Challenging All Sides with Grace – Jesus calls both affirming and non-affirming believers to repentance, humility, and the worship of God over desire. • Worship and Sexuality – Our culture's elevation of sex as a marker of identity and fulfillment is idolized—Jesus invites us to a greater identity. • Desire vs. Surrender – Jesus doesn't call us to unfiltered authenticity but to joyful surrender, denying ourselves and finding life in him. • Leadership and the Heart – Church leadership isn't about perfection or sexual orientation, but about humility, repentance, and a heart that seeks Jesus. • Four Hats of Christian Life – How we speak and act on LGBTQ+ questions depends on whether we're being disciples, pastors, reconcilers, or citizens. • Vox's Statement on Gay Marriage – Mike reads the working draft of Vox's public posture on sexuality that affirms both a high view of Scripture and an unwavering commitment to loving our LGBTQ+ neighbors. Resources Mentioned: • Vox Statement on Marriage and Sexuality – Subversive Kingdom • 2 Corinthians 5 – The ministry of reconciliation • Matthew 19 – Jesus on divorce and interpretation of Torah • Genesis 1–2 – Foundations of sexual ethics in creation • The Church's Approach to LGBTQ+ Inclusion – Pastoral reflections Call to Action: Join us in rethinking what it means to follow Jesus with compassion, conviction, and courage. Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and let us know how you're navigating these topics in your own community. As always, we encourage and welcome discussion as we pursue the way of Jesus together. Email us your thoughts at [email protected], and engage in the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube: VOXOLOGY TV Our Merch Store: ETSY Learn more at voxologypodcast.com Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the podcast via Patreon Voxology Music by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: @mikeerre As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy

How the way we embody our pro-life beliefs may betray the very heart of Jesus. Mike and Andy explore the recent Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs to reflect on the complex, heartbreaking intersections of faith, violence, and societal discourse. Through this lens, they examine how pro-life convictions must be consistent—valuing life not only at conception but also throughout every stage of human existence, regardless of nationality, race, or ideology. This episode takes on the hard and often polarizing conversation around abortion, politics, domestic terrorism, and the disconnect between pro-life rhetoric and action. Mike shares compelling non-biblical reasons why he holds a pro-life position, including feminist arguments and societal shortcomings, while ultimately pointing listeners to the radical compassion and subversive love modeled by Jesus. Key Takeaways: • A Consistently Pro-Life Ethic – Why Christians must not only oppose abortion but also oppose violence, racism, war, guns, and the death penalty if they claim to uphold a pro-life view. • Jesus's Challenge to Our Methods – How being "right" about an issue doesn't excuse un-Christlike behavior. Our methods matter just as much as our message. • The Role of Nonviolence in the Kingdom – Drawing from Jesus, Gandhi, and MLK, the episode explores how faithful nonviolence can be more powerful and disruptive than violent protest or rhetoric. • Protesting Violence Like Jesus Would – Why Christians must vocally denounce violent extremism—especially when committed by those who may share some of their beliefs—through a lens of justice and love. • What the Early Church Teaches Us – Drawing on early Christian practice of adopting abandoned Roman infants, Mike reminds the church that embodying better alternatives is more impactful than culture war rhetoric. Notable Quote: "If you're going to do Jesus's work, you have to do it Jesus's way." Resources Mentioned: • Mike's book – Subversive Kingdom • Voxology Podcast Back Episodes – voxologypodcast.com • Support the podcast – Patreon Help rethink what it means to be pro-life in a world crying out for compassion, justice, and integrity. Share your stories, ask questions, and engage the conversation: Email us: [email protected] Instagram: @voxologypodcast Facebook: Voxology Podcast YouTube: Voxology TV Merch Store: VOXOLOGY on Etsy Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify Follow Mike on Twitter: @MikeErre Music by Timothy John Stafford (Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy) Join us in the work of reimagining what it truly looks like to follow Jesus in today's world. Subscribe, leave a review, and help spread the message. As always, we encourage and would love discussion as we pursue. Feel free to email in questions to [email protected], and to engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram. We're on YouTube (if you're into that kinda thing): VOXOLOGY TV. Our Merch Store! ETSY Learn more about the Voxology Podcast Subscribe on iTunes or Spotify Support the Voxology Podcast on Patreon The Voxology Spotify channel can be found here: Voxology Radio Follow us on Instagram: @voxologypodcast and "like" us on Facebook Follow Mike on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mikeerre Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford Instagram & Twitter: @GoneTimothy