VO BOSS

BOSSes, it is the month of taxes, and while most people's eyes glaze over at the mention of the IRS, Tom Dheere (The VO Strategist) and Anne Ganguzza are here to make it manageable. This year is particularly significant due to major shifts in federal reporting thresholds. This episode provides actionable voiceover tax tips to help you move from a "hobbyist" mindset to a professional business owner, highlighting the importance of clear audit trails and strategic expense tracking. Chapter Summaries: The Multifunctional Cash Flow Spreadsheet (01:34) Tom introduces his cornerstone tool: the Cash Flow Spreadsheet. Used for over 20 years, this template tracks every penny in and out. Beyond taxes, it serves as a marketing diagnostic by logging genres, booking sources (agent vs. direct), and payment portals. Anne notes that tracking the source of income is vital for analyzing which training and marketing efforts are actually paying off. Threshold Shock: The 2026 1099 Changes (19:28) Tom reveals the most critical update for 2026: The 1099 reporting threshold has jumped from $600 to $2,000. This applies to both the 1099-NEC (Non-Employee Compensation) and 1099-MISC. Many talent will receive fewer forms this year, but Tom and Anne stress that this is not free money—you are still legally required to declare every cent of income, even if no form is issued. The 1099-K and Third-Party Payments (20:53) For those paid via PayPal, Venmo, or credit cards, the 1099-K threshold now stands at $20,000 and 200 transactions. Unless you hit both metrics, these platforms won't send you a form. This makes meticulous personal record-keeping through spreadsheets or accounting software like Wave or QuickBooks essential for an accurate filing. Hobby vs. Business: The IRS Standard (10:40) Even if you haven't made a profit yet, Anne and Tom encourage filing to claim deductions for training, gear, and marketing. However, they caution that the IRS may classify your career as a "hobby" if you don't show a profit within a few years. Having a professional CPA who understands self-employment is a deductible business expense that provides protection during potential audits. Creating an Audit Trail (13:55) A "Real Boss" keeps personal and professional finances separate. Tom recommends opening a dedicated "Voiceover" checking account. By running all business transactions through one account, you create a clean audit trail that simplifies tax prep and provides concrete evidence of business activity if the IRS comes knocking. AI for Financial Analysis (05:27) Tom discusses moving his data to Google Docs to leverage AI (Google Gemini). By using AI to analyze his spreadsheet, he can quickly identify which genres are growing or shrinking and compare year-over-year performance, turning "tax prep" into a powerful business strategy session. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Declare Everything: Regardless of the new $2,000 threshold, you must report 100% of your income to the IRS. Separate Your Accounts: Use a dedicated checking account for all VO-related income and expenses to create an easy audit trail. File Even When Starting: You can deduct coaching and equipment costs in your first year, even if you haven't booked a job yet. Know the NEC vs. MISC: Understand the difference between non-employee compensation (NEC) and royalties (MISC), as the latter still has a $10 reporting threshold. Hire a Specialized CPA: Don't rely on generic software if your taxes involve 1099s; find a professional who understands the unique needs of freelancers. Track Genres for ROI: Use your financial records to see if your training in specific genres (like medical or e-learning) is resulting in paid work. Watch for Digital 1099s: Check your email and portal dashboards (like Voices or Voice123) for downloadable tax forms; many companies no longer send snail mail. Automate with Informed Delivery: Use the USPS Informed Delivery service to see scans of your incoming physical tax documents. Quarterly Estimates: Avoid a massive year-end bill by paying estimated quarterly taxes throughout the year. Taxes Tell Your Story: View tax season as a "Year in Review" to see the growth and health of your voiceover business.

BOSSes, today we celebrate a legend! 🏆 Anne Ganguzza sits down with John Florian, founder of VoiceoverXtra, to discuss his incredible 20-year legacy as the industry's primary news and education connector. John shares the "hot coal" moment that launched his business, how he accidentally mastered SEO, and why he's retiring from VO to become a mystery-humor author. In this episode, you'll discover: The CNN of VO: How Voiceover Extra became the industry's most trusted resource. The Webinar Pioneer: John's journey from Broadway rehearsal halls to global digital training. SEO Secrets: How 2,500 articles created an unbeatable search presence. Digital Ethics: Dealing with content theft and the importance of accountability buddies. The Next Chapter: Why John is "learning the craft" all over again in the world of novel writing. If you've ever used VoiceoverXtra to find a coach, a rate guide, or a studio tip, you cannot miss this heartfelt farewell and celebration!

BOSSes, are you re-recording your auditions until you're blue in the face? 🎤 Anne Ganguzza and Lau Lapides reveal why voiceover perfectionism is actually keeping you from getting cast! In this episode, we dive into the "tormented artist" mindset and explain why "trying to be perfect" is the fastest way to sound boring and unmarketable. Learn how to let go of the "safety take," trust your first few recordings, and focus on progress over perfection. In this episode, you'll discover: The Audible Grunt: Why listeners can hear when you're "trying" to sound a certain way. The 10-Second Decision: Why casting directors ditch perfect reads for authentic ones. The "Don't Do That" Trap: Why you can't teach a negative and how to redirect your brain. The Power of Bloopers: Why imperfection is actually more memorable and human. Sounding Boards: How to use colleagues to snap out of a perfectionist spiral. If you're ready to stop being your own worst enemy in the booth, this episode is for you!

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza welcomes powerhouse talent Mark Rider, whose voice has defined campaigns for Ford, Game of Thrones, and Spider-Man: No Way Home. Beyond his iconic sound, Mark is a dedicated coach and creator of the VO Life Coach app. In this episode, we explore the parallel between jumping horses and taking creative risks, the "10,000-hour" journey to natural delivery, and why a healthy voice acting mindset—rooted in self-care and mental clarity—is the only way to survive the high-pressure world of trailers and promos. Chapter Summaries: Horses, Fear, and Character Building (01:48) Anne and Mark bond over their shared passion for horses. Mark notes that jumping a 1,200-pound animal requires staring fear in the face—a skill that translates directly to the booth. They discuss how "eating dirt" (falling off) builds the resilience and character necessary to handle rejection and technical failures in a voiceover career. The Birth of the VO Life Coach App (05:19) Mark shares the "come to Jesus" moment that led to his app. Wrestling with his two loves—performing and coaching—he sought a way to "clone himself" to provide spiritual and professional guidance to talent globally. He emphasizes that "unstucking" talent often involves addressing life strategy rather than just reading scripts. The Myth of "Just Be You" (21:45) Mark issues a controversial reality check: the advice to "just be you" is often misleading. Most scripts are not written for your natural persona. He argues that you must "finish the sentence"—it's about you acting. Successful talent are voice artists who use their unique personality as a tool to inhabit characters and scenarios that are fundamentally different from themselves. The 10,000-Hour Matrix (16:39) There are no workarounds for experience. Mark describes reaching "Year 15" as a "Matrix moment" where auditions began to move in slow motion. He explains that sounding "natural" is a learned skill that only comes after thousands of hours of breaking down copy and internalizing intonation until it becomes instinctual. Zen vs. Chaos: Promo vs. Corporate (41:13) Mark and Anne compare their working styles. While Anne thrives in the "Zen" flexibility of non-broadcast corporate work, Mark admits he craves the "psychotic" chaos of trailer and promo work—getting out of bed at 12:45 AM because a network needs a tag immediately. They agree that the industry has enough room for both mentalities, but you must know which one feeds your soul. Inner Dialogue: Your Biggest Enemy (42:22) Mark's biggest piece of advice for any voice acting mindset is to gain control over your internal dialogue. You don't fail because someone pulls you down; you fail because you allow your own "demons" to tell you that you aren't enough. He recounts wisdom from Maurice Tobias: "Get your life straight first, or the acting won't matter." Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Resilience is Rooted in Experience: Much like riding, you aren't a professional until you've "fallen off" and gotten back up several times. Strategize Before You Launch: Don't rush into getting a demo Invest time in planning and building a foundation so you do it right the first time. Self-Care is Non-Negotiable: Your mental and physical health directly affects your vocal production. Put your sanity first. Master the "Unstuck" Mindset: When you feel stuck, it's often a sign that you need to shift your focus from performance to business strategy or mental clarity. Experience Takes Time: Respect the "10,000-hour" rule. Longevity comes to those who are willing to put in the years of daily practice. "Be You" Means "Act as You": Learn to bring your unique spirit to scripts that weren't written for you. It's about authentic interpretation, not just reading. Find Your Niche Energy: Determine if you prefer the stability of corporate narration or the adrenaline of "right now" promo work. The Power of "No": Having the confidence (and the savings) to say no to low-paying, high-stress jobs is a hallmark of a VO Boss. Use Creative Promotional Tools: Mark's "Be Awesome" BBQ sauce serves as a brilliant conversation starter and follow-up tool for building client relationships. Your Inner Voice Rules: Monitor your self-talk. If your internal dialogue is negative, your performance and business growth will suffer.

Pricing for Profits: Your Voiceover Pricing Strategy Voiceover Pricing Strategy BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere (The VO Strategist) tackle the often-intimidating world of money. Whether you are setting rates for your very first gig or deciding when to give yourself a "raise" after a decade in the booth, having a clear voiceover pricing strategy is vital. This episode explores the power of industry standards like the GVAA rate guide, the psychology of "perceived value," and why the highest-paying clients are often the easiest to work with. Chapter Summaries: The Industry Benchmarks (01:43) Tom establishes the two core pillars of voiceover rates: SAG-AFTRA Collectively Bargained Agreements (CBAs) and the Global Voice Acting Academy (GVAA) Rate Guide. While the union sets the floor for broadcast work, the GVAA has become the non-union industry standard. The hosts emphasize that even new talent should aim for these benchmarks because clients pay for the voice, not the years on a resume. The "Confidence Workaround" (10:52) For talent who feel "timid" about quoting high numbers, Tom shares his secret weapon: The Screenshot Strategy. When a client won't provide a budget, Tom provides a quote based on the GVAA guide and includes a link or screenshot. This shifts the "blame" from the actor to the industry standard, instantly boosting professional authority. The Low-Budget Paradox (16:08) Anne and Tom discuss a hard truth: the lower the price, the higher the stress. Clients who undervalue voiceover typically demand more retakes and have more "nitpicky" tendencies. Conversely, high-budget clients understand the value of collaboration and are generally more pleasant and professional to work with. When and How to Raise Your Rates (18:37) Raising your rates doesn't require a public announcement. The hosts recommend a "sneak-in" approach: incrementing rates on a project-by-project basis or with new clients. They suggest two primary triggers for a raise: your skills have demonstrably improved (you are "better" at the craft), or the cost of living/business overhead has increased. Direct Marketing vs. Pay-to-Play (30:01) While pay-to-play sites (Voice123, Voices.com) often set the budget for you, direct marketing requires you to lead the negotiation dance. The hosts argue that a balanced voiceover pricing strategy uses all lead generation tools—agents, casting sites, and direct outreach—to ensure a steady flow of diverse opportunities. Negotiation as a Skill (13:28) Before rate guides existed, actors had to be "tough" negotiators. Anne encourages talent to ask clients, "Does this fit within your budget?" as a simple way to open an honest dialogue without burning bridges. Remember, a "no" from a client isn't a failure—it's just one data point in a long-term career marathon. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Use the GVAA Guide: It is the "gold standard" for non-union rates. Keep it open whenever you are quoting a project. Price for Quality: Don't undercharge just to get the job. A low price often signals low quality or lack of professionalism to the buyer. Ask for the Budget First: Always ask the client for their budget before providing a quote to avoid leaving money on the table. Leverage the "Confidence Workaround": Use screenshots of industry rate guides to justify your quotes and relieve personal anxiety. Identify Perceived Value: If you have branded yourself well and provide a premium product, you can strategically charge above the minimums. Avoid the Race to the Bottom: Under-cutting your peers on low-budget sites doesn't build a sustainable career; it only attracts high-stress clients. Raise Rates Incrementally: Don't announce a general price hike. Slip small increases into your next quotes as your experience grows. Differentiate B2B vs. B2C: VO is a Business-to-Business industry. Treat your clients as professional partners, not retail consumers. Strategic Volume Discounts: Only consider lower rates if a client guarantees a high volume of consistent work (but get it in writing). The Power of "No": Being willing to walk away from a bad deal is the ultimate sign of a VO Boss.

BOSSes, are you tired of hearing "give me more YOU " and having no idea what it means? Anne Ganguzza and Lau Lapides reveal the secret to an authentic voiceover performance and how to stop sounding like a polished caricature! This episode is a masterclass in performance mindset. Learn why acting is actually reacting, how to find the "pain point" in every script, and why your unique personality is the only thing that can't be replicated by AI. In this episode, you'll discover: The Casting Secret: Why directors ask for "you" when they really mean "wake me up!" Pain Point Performance: How connecting to a simple discomfort makes your read 100% more believable. The Spec Trap: Why following directions too closely can actually kill your authenticity. The Empathy Angle: How to make dry corporate or medical narration sound like you actually care. The "Hugs Blanket" Strategy: Why Anne's tangent about Minky Couture is a perfect example of a bookable read. If you're ready to stop over-layering your acting and start being a Real Boss in the booth, this episode is for you!

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere (The VO Strategist) ring in the new year with a reality check on modern voiceover career strategy. In an industry increasingly influenced by AI and market saturation, the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach is no longer viable. This episode is a deep dive into the power of focus—mastering one genre at a time, picking the right marketing portals, and closing the "relevance gap" by becoming a high-level human storyteller. Chapter Summaries: The Relevance Gap and AI (10:45) Tom introduces the "relevance gap"—the widening space between aspiring talent and working professionals. He argues that AI is rapidly consuming low-budget, entry-level work. To remain relevant, talent must move beyond simply "reading well" and invest in high-level storytelling skills (acting, improv, etc.) that AI cannot yet replicate. The Danger of the Multi-Demo Rush (03:55) The hosts notice a troubling trend: new talent getting five demos produced before they've mastered a single genre. This lack of focus leads to "sucking at everything." Anne emphasizes that even 20 coaching sessions might not be enough to reach the competitive level required for a professional demo in today's saturated market. Passion vs. Pragmatism: Reconciling Your Goals (15:19) While many enter VO wanting to do anime or video games, the market for corporate, e-learning, and medical narration is significantly larger. Tom suggests a pragmatic voiceover career strategy: use "bread and butter" genres like corporate work (where there are over 33 million potential clients) to fund your passion projects in character and animation work. The Myth of Social Media ROI (24:34) Tom reveals startling statistics on social media ROI for voice actors: Facebook (0.77%) and Twitter (0.69%) pale in comparison to LinkedIn (2.74%). While still low, LinkedIn represents a business-minded audience. The hosts warn that "enpoopification"—the decline of social media quality due to algorithms and AI—makes it harder than ever to find work through standard posting. The "New SEO": Getting Found by Chatbots (27:39) Anne shifts the focus to a forward-thinking strategy: SEO for AI. Companies are increasingly asking chatbots like ChatGPT or Claude for voice actor recommendations. To stay competitive, talent must populate their websites and blogs with high-quality, human-written content that these bots can index and recommend. The 2026 Focus Challenge (30:21) Tom issues a challenge to all VO Bosses: Pick one genre, one casting site, and one social media platform to focus on this year. By concentrating energy rather than scattering it, talent can build true momentum and authority in a specific corner of the market. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Close the Relevance Gap: Invest in professional acting and storytelling training to stay ahead of AI-generated voices. Focus on One Genre First: Master the nuances and audience of one genre before producing a demo or marketing yourself in another. Market Pragmatism: Target the corporate and e-learning markets for consistent cash flow while you build your "passion" skills in animation. Avoid "Demo Bundle" Traps: Be wary of packages offering multiple demos for a deal; quality training takes time and individual focus for each genre. Audit Your Marketing Portals: Don't join every pay-to-play site at once. Pick one that aligns with your primary genre and master its algorithm. Prioritize LinkedIn: For B2B genres like corporate narration, LinkedIn offers a significantly higher ROI than other social platforms. Optimize for AI Search: Ensure your website's FAQ and Home pages are rich with pertinent information so chatbots can find and recommend you. Use Low-Budget Sites as Proving Grounds: Use sites like Fiverr or Casting Call Club for practice and project management experience, not as a final career destination. Human Content Wins: Write blogs and website copy with a "human-first" approach to reclaim search authority from AI-generated spam. The Foundation is Acting: Foundational acting skills are transferable across all genres. Master the craft first, and the genre proficiency will follow.

Building a sustainable voiceover career in 2026 requires more than great performance—it means understanding how agencies submit talent, how online casting has evolved, and how discoverability now works in an increasingly digital and AI-influenced landscape. Today's voice actors need clarity, adaptability, and a strategy grounded in how the industry actually operates. In this episode of VO BOSS, Anne Ganguzza and J. Michael Collins sit down for a candid conversation about modern voiceover career strategy. Together, they explore how submissions are filtered behind the scenes, why becoming a trusted, go-to talent matters more than constant chasing, and how marketing, SEO, and emerging AI search tools now play a role in being found. This episode offers practical, experience-based insight into building a career that's positioned for long-term success. Chapter Summaries: The Entrepreneurial "Happy Accident" (04:14) JMC reflects on a 30-year career built on "happy accidents" and flying by the seat of his pants. He emphasizes that a successful voiceover career strategy requires constant evolution. He discusses his "full circle" journey—starting in traditional studios, becoming a pioneer of online casting, and returning to a heavy focus on agency and broadcast work. Legwork and the "100 Touches" Rule (09:56) The hosts discuss the significant increase in effort required for modern talent. JMC suggests that the old standard of 20 daily marketing "touches" is obsolete; today, a competitive voiceover business requires closer to 100 touches a day (auditions + direct marketing) to maintain a tough climb in a saturated market. Demystifying the Agency World (09:29) JMC addresses a common misconception: agents are not scary gatekeepers; they work for you. He breaks down how agency submissions really work—where hundreds of voiceover auditions may be received for a single role, but only a small, carefully selected group is ever sent to the client. For voice actors, success comes from shifting the focus away from constant outreach and toward becoming a trusted, go-to talent within an agency's roster. The New Frontier: LLM Search and SEO (21:07) Anne and JMC dive into the "New SEO." Beyond traditional Google rankings, talent must now optimize for AI chatbots like ChatGPT and Claude. JMC reveals he is booking multiple jobs per week from clients who found him by asking an AI bot for recommendations. This requires a comprehensive digital footprint that AI models can crawl and trust. Longevity and the "Five-Figure Wall" (16:04) JMC offers blunt advice for newer talent: getting to those first $20,000–$30,000 in annual revenue is the hardest part of the job. Once you hit that low five-figure traction, scaling to six figures is often a faster process because you have already developed the resilience and technical skills needed to survive rejection. The Immersion Strategy: VO Conferences (32:39) As the producer of VO Atlanta, One Voice USA, and his signature Euro Retreats, JMC explains why live events are the ultimate "Super Bowl" for career growth. He discusses the difference between intimate retreats (EuroVO) and massive immersion events, emphasizing that the relationships and "lifelong families" built at these conferences are often more valuable than the sessions themselves. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Embrace the Hustle: Aim for 100 marketing touches or auditions daily to stay ahead of the competition. Optimize for Chatbots: Ensure your website content is detailed and clear so LLMs like ChatGPT can index you for specific genre recommendations. Agents are Partners: Treat agents as people who work for you; focus on becoming the "easy choice" that they prioritize for shortlists. Traditional SEO Still Matters: Being on Page 1 or 2 of Google provides "walk-in business" that allows you to stop constant chasing. Focus on High-Tier Portals: If using pay-to-plays, aim for top-tier memberships (like 123 Platinum) to bypass the saturation of lower tiers. LinkedIn is the Pro Choice: Focus your social media marketing on LinkedIn, where professional grade buyers live, rather than consumer-heavy sites like Facebook. Persist Past the First $30k: Realize that the first five-figure stretch is the most difficult; the snowball effect happens once you establish a baseline. Demos are Still Non-Negotiable: You cannot get agency representation or high-end direct work without an award-winning, professional demo. Invest in Live Connection: Attend conferences like VO Atlanta or One Voice to build the "community family" that sustains a long-term career. Do It Your Way: Forge your own path by blending old-school agency work with new-school direct marketing and SEO strategy.

BOSSes, do you cringe when you hear your own playback? Anne Ganguzza and Lau Lapides reveal why how to love your voice is the most important mindset shift you can make for your voiceover career! This episode is a "VO Valentine" to all the talent struggling with self-doubt. Learn why professional commitment beats romanticized expectations, how to handle negative feedback without spiraling, and why resilience is your true superpower. In this episode, you'll discover: The Comparison Trap: Why wishing you sounded like someone else is sabotaging your unique brand. Love as a Professional Commitment: How to stay in the game even when you "hate" your performance that day. The "Avalanche" Effect: How to stop one bad comment from ruining your entire business. Healing Through Gratitude: Anne Ganguzza's powerful story of perspective following a major health challenge. Why Love Sells: How to use genuine emotional connection to make your auditions stand out to clients. If you're ready to stop the self-sabotage and start thriving in the booth, this episode is a must-watch!

BOSSes host Anne Ganguzza is joined by co-host Lau Lapides and special guest Carol Alpert (voice actor and on-camera coach) to tackle the industry's most persistent headache: the inability of talent to follow instructions. Whether it's ignoring age ranges in casting specs, butchering file naming, or losing patience during a live session, failing to follow the "rules" of an audition is the fastest way to get your file tossed. The hosts stress that being a "trained actor" means being disciplined enough to read between the lines and respect the client's process. The Casting Filter: Why 70% Get Ditched (01:48) Lau Lapides reveals a shocking statistic: in a recent casting for 35–45 year olds, 70% of the auditions were from talent clearly outside that age range. Agents use specs to filter talent quickly; if you submit for a role you clearly don't fit, you are essentially asking to be ignored. Following the demographic specs is the first step in following directions in voiceover. The File Naming Pet Peeve (07:04) Proper file naming is not just a suggestion; it's a structural necessity. When an agent or casting assistant is processing hundreds of files, an incorrectly named file can disrupt their entire workflow. Lau notes that talent often doesn't see the "assembly line" of 10–40 people involved in a single gig; naming your file correctly shows you respect their time. "Early is On Time": The Reality of Deadlines (11:12) While some pay-to-play sites are instantaneous, agency turnarounds are often measured in hours. Lau asserts that the strongest auditions usually come in within the first few hours of a posting. Being "trained" means having the discipline to interpret, record, and execute an audition professionally and quickly without procrastinating. Cold Reading and Tracking Skills (13:05) A common reason talent fail to follow directions is a lack of ocular tracking skills. Many people listen to content rather than reading it, leading to a decline in the ability to scan a script and pick up nuances quickly. The hosts recommend cold-reading classes to ensure your eyes can track words and directions simultaneously. Live Direction: Active Listening and Communication (31:09) During a live directed session, following instructions becomes a matter of active listening. Lau recommends repeating directions back to the client to ensure clarity. She also warns that talent are often replaced not because of their voice, but because of a poor attitude or lack of patience when being redirected. The "Relationship" Slope: Business vs. Contract (41:23) While it's important to stick to contracts, the hosts discuss the value of being cooperative. Doing an extra tag or a small favor can "earn" you a client for the next ten years. It's about weighing small battles versus the long-term war of building a sustainable career through professional relationships. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Read the Specs Twice: Ensure you fit the age, gender, and ethnicity requirements before stepping into the booth. Master File Naming: Follow the naming convention provided exactly. It is the most common reason auditions are discarded without being heard. Early is Best: While you should never rush quality, aim to submit your audition as early as possible to capture the agent's attention. Practice Cold Reading: Maintain your ocular tracking skills by reading aloud for at least 15 minutes a day to stay sharp for quick turnarounds. Listen and Repeat: In directed sessions, repeat the client's instructions back to them to confirm you understand the requested adjustment. Silence Your Ego: If a client asks for 100 takes, provide them professionally. Frustration or an "attitude" is a faster way to get fired than a bad take. Check Your Tech: Before a live session, verify that SourceConnect and your DAW are updated and functioning. Technical failures are a failure to follow prep instructions. The Agent is the Middleman: Don't get annoyed if your agent doesn't have every answer; they copy and paste exactly what the client gives them. Interpret, Don't Just Comprehend: Moving beyond just "reading the words" to understanding the story is part of your professional instruction. Build the Relationship: Being cooperative and "easy to work with" is often more valuable to a client than being the most talented person in the room.

BOSSes, are you being sold a voiceover dream that's actually a nightmare? Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere expose the predatory world of "demo mills" and reveal why your VO demo might be holding you back! This episode is your survival guide to the industry's biggest investment. Learn how to spot red flags, understand why "four hours of coaching" is a scam, and how to ensure your demo actually gets you cast. In this episode, you'll discover: The $3,000 Mistake: A real-world story of a talent who was taken for a ride by bad training. Genre Mixing Red Flags: Why putting promo spots on a commercial demo kills your credibility. Performance vs. Voice: Why "golden pipes" aren't enough to make a demo serviceable. The Stock Script Trap: How generic copy makes you blend in instead of standing out. Recourse Strategies: What to do if you've already spent money on a sub-par demo. If you're ready to stop being a "hobbyist" and start building a competitive voiceover business, this episode is a must-watch!

BOSSes, are you ready to become "undeniable" in the voiceover industry? Anne Ganguzza sits down with Matthew "Slim Da Reazon" Parham (Director of Operations at NAVA) to discuss the high-stakes world of authentic voiceover casting and vocal advocacy! Matthew shares his journey from professional musician to a top-tier voice actor for Marvel and ESPN, while revealing what happens behind the scenes on Capitol Hill. In this episode, you'll discover: The NAVA Mission: How voice actors are fighting for the right to own their own voices in the age of AI. The Cadence Secret: How to transition from slam poetry and hip-hop to a "universal" commercial sound. Authentic Casting: Why the "lived-in experience" is your most valuable asset as a performer. The AI Reality: Why luxury brands and politicians will never fully replace the human connection. The "ZFG" Mindset: Why audacity is the secret ingredient to booking major global brands. If you're serious about the future of your voiceover business, this conversation is essential viewing! Connect with Matthew: Instagram: @slimdareason Website: matthewparhamvo.com Connect with NAVA: Website: navavoices.org Connect with VO Boss: Twitter: @vo_boss Instagram: @vo_boss Facebook: /VO BOSS YouTube: VO BOSS

BOSSes, feeling down because everyone else seems to be booking but you? Anne Ganguzza and Danielle Famble reveal why comparing your voiceover success to social media "vague bookings" is the fastest way to kill your career momentum! This episode is a masterclass in business mindset. Learn why the "national commercial" you're jealous of might not be the windfall it seems, and how to reclaim your joy by minding your own business. In this episode, you'll discover: The Reality Behind the Post: Why you can't trust the financial perception of social media wins. Social Media Palate Cleanse: Why Danielle took a year-long hiatus and how it helped her business. The Danger of Rate Shaming: Why your financial strategy and rates are your business alone. From Jealousy to Celebration: How truly being happy for others can actually manifest success for you. Hidden Cuts: The agents, managers, and taxes that turn a "big gig" into a smaller reality. If you're ready to stop doomscrolling and start thriving in your own booth, this episode is a must-watch for every VO Boss!

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and her superpower co-host, Lau Lapides, assert that subtext in voice acting is the single most important element for delivering a powerful, unique, and castable performance. The bosses challenge the common mistake of literal reading, offering practical strategies—from audience analysis to efficient marking—that elevate a performance from predictable to profound. Chapter Summaries: Subtext Defines Uniqueness (01:00) Lau states that subtext—the underlying interpretation of a line—is what makes a talent unique. The hosts explain that relying solely on obvious language or descriptive adjectives leads to predictable, robot-like reads. The true power lies in making nuanced choices about what the words really mean to the listener. Audience and Empathy are Everything (02:44) Subtext is entirely dependent on who you are talking to. Anne uses the example of corporate narration: the subtext for an investor (focused on financial facts) is different from the subtext for a consumer (focused on customer service and product benefits). The acting choice must be rooted in empathy and understanding what the listener cares about. The Structural Journey of the Script (14:30) Every script has a structural journey: introduction, series of steps, and conclusion. The subtext should align with this journey. The hosts emphasize that if you are running out of breath , it is the dead giveaway that you did not prepare the story, as natural conversation doesn't require breath struggle. Techniques for Finding the Subtext (22:34) To efficiently analyze copy, the hosts recommend: Improv and Translate: Improvise the script in your own words to capture the genuine emotional wash and then plug the original words back in. Marking: Use clear broadcast-style marking to denote phrasing and intent, but also pay attention to the ellipses and punctuation for clues about the emotional context. Use AI as a Tool: Paste ambiguous scripts into an AI tool (like a chatbot) and ask, "What is the purpose of this script? Who cares about this information?" to provide a jumping-off point for human interpretation. Avoiding the Literal Trap (23:37) The hosts caution against taking common acting advice too literally. For example, constant smiling throughout a read, or persistent upspeak at the end of every sentence, sounds unnatural and is perceived as not genuine. Your performance must always reflect how you would behave and sound in a real-world conversation. The Brilliance of a Point of View (25:16) Subtext gives you a clear point of view. The hosts provide a simple example: saying "Are you wearing those pants?" can be interpreted in dramatically different ways (anger, excitement, disgust) depending on the subtext. This intentional interpretation is what makes your audition unique and elevates it above the predictable melody. Top 10 Takeaways for Voice Actors: Subtext is Everything: The emotional core and underlying meaning of your script is what makes your performance unique and castable. Analyze Your Audience: Base your subtext on who the listener is (consumer, investor, business-to-business) and what they care about most. Translate into Your Own Words: Use the "improv and translate" technique to efficiently find the genuine emotional wash before recording. Embrace Emotional Ambiguity: Simple sentences can hold complex, contrasting subtext. That complexity is your unique acting choice. Use AI to Find Backstory: Use AI as an analysis tool to find information about the brand and the script's purpose, but always apply your human interpretation. Pacing is Preparation: If you struggle for breath, you have not prepared the story correctly. Good actors always know how to naturally navigate long sentences. Mark for Meaning: Pay close attention to punctuation and structure (ellipses, introductions, conclusions) as cues for shifts in subtext. Avoid the Literal Trap: Do not read adjectives literally (e.g., constant smiling). Your emotional choice must align with authenticity, not simple description. The Share is the Subtext: Your goal is to share the story with the listener, not talk at them or talk in your head. Point of View Stands Out: An audition with a clear, intentional point of view, even if surprising, will always get shortlisted over a generic, predictable read.

BOSSes Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere (The VO Strategist) detail the foundational strategy for achieving your voice acting career goals in the new year. Using a proven five-category system taught by industry veteran Dan Duckworth, Tom provides a structured method for turning ambition into executable action plans. The hosts emphasize that in a career where you wear all the hats, efficiency, education, and a healthy mindset are the keys to long-term success.

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza is joined by premier coach Dave Walsh for a deep conversation on navigating personal and professional challenges in chaotic times. They assert that the solution to anxiety and stress is to stop focusing on external chaos and instead, live and work from a place of internal purpose and core values. This episode offers powerful insight into why purpose-driven voice acting is the only way to achieve authentic connection and career longevity.

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza is joined by multi-award-winning global voice actor Toby Ricketts to explore the mindset and techniques required for world-class, remote performance. Toby, who works across British, Australian, New Zealand, and American markets from his remote New Zealand studio, emphasizes that the true superpower for acting for global voice actors lies in intuition, emotional connection, and deliberately making unexpected choices to capture a listener's attention.

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and Danielle Famble dive into the uncomfortable reality of voice actor negotiation and handling lowball offers. This episode provides essential strategies for maintaining grace, protecting your worth, and ensuring you don't burn bridges when you have to say no. The hosts stress that money is the language of business, and understanding negotiation as a collaborative process is key to long-term success.

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and her superpower co-host, Lau Lapides, dive into the non-negotiable reality of voiceover demo production. The bosses address why many voice actors—especially those starting out—try to cut corners on their demos, despite the demo being the primary portfolio piece used to land agents and get work. This episode provides essential, current advice on what makes a demo effective, what red flags to avoid, and how to manage the realistic expectations of investing in a long-term voice acting career. 00:03 - Anne (Host) Hey guys, it's Anne Ganguzza here. Are you ready to find your life purpose and live a happier, more fulfilling life? My coaching services can help you discover your true passions and align them with your goals. Let's start that journey today. Visit anneganguzza.com for more information. 00:31 - Speaker 2 (Announcement) It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne Ganguzza. 00:45 - Anne (Host) Hey, hey, everyone, welcome to the VO Boss podcast and the Boss Superpower Series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I'm here with the lovely Miss Lala Pita. Hey, we're back, and better than ever. Annie, I'm so glad to be back with you. We are back. Ah Lala, it's been a week, oh my gosh, it's been a week. 01:06 It's been kind of a crazy year so far, hasn't it? It has, I mean, it's just been a little chaotic. I've dealt with a lot of students recently who come to me that want coaching, but before they want to get coaching, they want me to listen to their demos, and so I'll have a quick listen. I mean, I do an actual, I have an actual like process where, if you want half an hour of my time, I'll actually evaluate your demo spot by spot and give you tips. And I like the fact that I offer it as a service because I don't want people to think I'm just here to sell them demos. 01:42 Yeah, of course, but I listen to a lot of demos that are self-produced and demos that have no production under them, and then demos that have a lot of production under them. And you know, I know it's a topic that you know we tend to talk about quite a bit, all about demos. But demos are just so darn important because it really is the product by which you get hired a lot of times. I mean, in addition to auditions, of course, you know, because the client always wants to hear you know your voice with their brand, but really to get your foot in the door. In a lot of places, that demo that showcases what your voice sounds like in the genre in which you want to work is so important. And it's interesting how many times I'll talk to a student who wants to kind of cut the corners on that and they don't have the money. And yet the demos that I'm hearing are not doing them any favors and not getting them any work. Right. 02:39 - Lau (Host) And there's so many tips you and I could like give about the do's and don'ts of demos, but I think it changed, like what's trending now and the faux pas that are happening are happening, that are a little bit newer these days and it's good to talk about and especially. 02:55 - Anne (Host) I like your angle from—I have my angle from the non-broadcast side and I want to hear your angle from the broadcast side. How much are demos being used to cast people? How much do the demos count when you're listening to that in comparison to the auditions? Talk to me about the casting process and how often are demos being used for that? That's a great question. That's a great question. 03:20 - Lau (Host) You know, the anecdote that I come up with is, or the analogy I come up with is, reminds me of college. College was always a necessity for people who are going into white collar careers. Ok, nowadays it's a little bit different. 03:36 - Anne (Host) Do you? 03:37 - Lau (Host) need a college degree to go into many careers. Maybe not, probably not, but when you earn a college degree, oftentimes it says to an employer that you've gone to the highest level of due diligence in your education and that, to me, oftentimes, is what demos represent. Sometimes you literally don't need demos, like literally, we won't be submitting your demo to a client On the most literal basis, I will not be sending your client 98% of the time to our clients, but it shows us that you are a working, professional, high-level industry talent. So there's a screening. 04:13 - Anne (Host) And that you take your career seriously. I think you take your investment seriously. 04:17 - Lau (Host) There's a screening to that it's a portfolio piece, sure. So I would say, yes, you do need it, but no, you do not need it for every single individual job that comes through, because they're going to be demo reads on the scripts. 04:30 - Anne (Host) Now I'm going to counter that, because you are speaking from the broadcast sense of the word. Typicall

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere share decades of combined experience, reflecting on the realities of voice acting career longevity. From the cassette tape demo era to today's digital age, the hosts emphasize that sustaining a career for 20+ years requires more than just talent—it demands resilience, strategic goal setting, and a deep sense of gratitude to combat the inevitable inconsistency of the industry.

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza is joined by the extraordinary Tina Marasco, Head of Casting at Sound and Fury, a respected coach, and the voice of HGTV's Love it or List it. With over three decades of experience spanning agency, acting, and casting, Tina offers indispensable casting director secrets for bridging the gap between a voice actor's truth and a client's real-world needs. 00:03 - Anne (Host) Hey VOBoss family Anne Ganguzza here as we wrap up the year. I just want to say thanks for being a part of this amazing community and because you bosses deserve a little holiday love, I'm giving you 10% off all demos and coaching through December 31st. Your demo discount is automatically applied and for coaching, just enter code COACHINGBFF at checkout. Treat yourself to some career growth this season at anneganguzzacom. 00:36 - Speaker 2 (Announcement) It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne Ganguzza. 00:55 - Anne (Host) Hey, hey everyone, welcome to the VO Boss Podcast. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and today I am thrilled to welcome the amazing Tina Marasco, head of casting at Sound and Fury, respected voiceover coach and the voice of HGTV's Love it or List it. With over two decades of experience as an agent, actor, casting director oh my gosh, everything. Tina brings an incredible perspective on what connects talent to opportunity, and that's, I think, what we're all looking for. So I think we're going to have a great talk about authenticity, longevity and how to basically bridge the gap between the actor's truth and a client's real-world needs, which is something that I think is so important for us to get that perspective. So, tina, thank you, thank you, thank you. I know you're important for us to get that perspective. So, tina, thank you, thank you, thank you I know you're busy for joining me. 01:50 - Tina (Guest) Oh my gosh, Thank you so much for having me. 01:58 - Anne (Host) I'm very excited to be with you. I know I'm really excited, so let's talk about how it all started. I mean, you have worn so many different hats agent, actor, casting director, coach when did you start with? What did you start with? How much time do we have? 02:10 - Tina (Guest) It's like when blind doors roam the earth. I started in the William Morris mailroom in New York City in like the 90s. Okay, the heyday of you know the wild agent life Pushing the mail cart somehow. Wow, yeah, no, I was literally like doing the swimming with sharks situation and floated all over. I was in a bunch of different departments and then ultimately landed in the commercial department and my then, like, everything was lumped together. So VO on camera, soaps, they were all lumped together and my boss was the VO Maven. 02:49 Her name is Carol Baker and she's not in the business anymore, but I didn't even know what a voiceover was when I sat on that desk and it's funny because, like Terry Berlan was a casting director in New York at the time, so I was like an assistant and Terry would be calling in breakdowns and now we're both casting directors in LA. It just it feels like 72 lifetimes ago. So my, my boss, you know, basically taught me everything there was to know about voiceover and then I spent three years there, then flipped over to ICM in New York and that's really where I cut my teeth, because ICM does not have a scale voiceover department, meaning people like you and me auditioning. They only represented celebrities. So when I went over there they tasked me to start the department. 03:37 So I started from scratch. I had not a single client and went out every night to Broadway and off Broadway and performance art and you know comedy clubs and I say this all the time like my bartender at the Raccoon Lodge ended up being Sally Winters and like one of the biggest voices of the last couple of decades. So I would find talent from all different walks of performance life, bring them into our studio at ICM and kind of teach them how to do it. So that's kind of how I learned, and that's how I learned how to produce demos because nobody had any recorded material, so for us to sort of send it out and announce our department. I produced like 60 demos for our agency reel and it was literally like thrown into the fire and figured it out, ladies. 04:28 - Anne (Host) So but it worked out. That is so impressive because you pretty much built it from the ground up and you basically learned everything along the way, and I love that. I kind of think I always describe myself as I just learned by the seat of my pants, because it's like here, here's the job, do it, and then you've just okay, well, here we go. But I think that probably prepared you for a long career in doing this. I mean, I would imagine that you love what you do because you're still doing it. 05:00

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza is joined by Danielle Famble and special guest Jennifer Clark (Host of Human Kindness at Work podcast) for a Boss Money Talk Series crossover episode. They explore the profound impact of charitable giving. This episode demonstrates that giving—whether time, money, or relationships—is not just good for the soul; it's a strategic act that combats hopelessness, strengthens local ties, and creates powerful networking opportunities for your voiceover business. 00:01 - Anne (Host) Hey guys, Anne Ganguzza here. Imagine a voiceover journey where every step is filled with discovery and growth. That's the path I want to work on with you, through nurturing coaching and creative demo production. Let's unveil the true potential of your voice together. It's not just about the destination, it's about the gorgeous journey getting there. Are you ready to take the first step? Connect with me at anneganguzza.com. 00:32 - Speaker 2 (Announcement) It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, anne Ganguza. 00:51 - Anne (Host) Hey, hey, everyone, welcome to the VO Boss podcast and the Boss Money Talk series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguza,z and today's show is a very special crossover moment. I'm joined by my regular Boss Money Talks co-host, Danielle Famble, financial strategist, voice actor and the person who keeps our boss business brains sharp. Yay, yay, hey, Anne, hey, and we're teaming up with the amazing Jennifer Clark, a powerhouse voice actor and the host of the Human Kindness at Work podcast. Today, we're going to talk about the power of giving, how it fuels mental wellness, strengthens our brand and builds real community in the voiceover world and beyond. And we'll also be talking about 100 Voices who Care, which is a charitable organization led by these two powerhouses that supports local communities by combining donations to impact local charities. So let's get into it, ladies. Thank you so, so much for joining me today. Thanks for having us. 01:48 - Speaker 4 (Host) Anne. 01:48 - Anne (Host) Yay, I'm very, very excited to talk to you guys about this, because I think this is something that it exists and every time there seems to be, let's say, possible issues in the community or you know people that need help, we get those GoFundMes, we get people who talk about, you know, donating to charities and stuff like that, and I think it's something that we need to really talk about more, about how it can affect us in a positive manner and also how it can affect our businesses. So let's maybe start by talking about the psychology of donating and giving. And, jennifer, I know, in your Human Kindness podcast you which is wonderful, by the way, guys, you absolutely must tune into that you talk to people all the time about giving and human kindness, and so what are your thoughts about you know, what are the benefits of giving? 02:43 - Speaker 4 (Host) Well, I'm not a doctor, but I can speak as someone who has been, you know, intentionally giving for most of my life, and as I'm talking to guests who are really active in their community and showing human kindness at work. What I see in myself and in people that I'm talking to is that it does something for our mental health. It's really easy to look at the world, especially right now, and you wake up every day and there's another crazy thing going on. The world is constantly on fire and it's really easy to get depressed fast. I mean, that's the fastest ticket to depression, right? Just read the news, right and we lose sight of all the really good things that are going on in the world. We lose sight of the really good people that there are. 03:36 Being a part of giving is like linking arms and finding all those people in your local community and the world at large that are doing the work. They're trying to bring change, and it's really uplifting. It's one of those things I don't know what it's called, but it's kind of like when you're looking for something you know when I wanted to buy a new vehicle, I had never seen anybody drive this vehicle and then all of a sudden, when I was like I want a Volkswagen Atlas. I saw it everywhere, Absolutely everywhere. And it's the same with giving. When you look around and you're like man, nobody is doing anything, Nobody is getting involved. In my community, Nonprofits are suffering. But then you start getting involved, you will make connections like crazy and you'll start seeing all of the good and it is so uplifting. It really does change your perspective. 04:34 - Anne (Host) Oh, absolutely I can imagine, because, especially now, just with the craziness, as you mentioned, of the world, and there's a lot of times when I will open up my social media and then, oh my goodness, just start reading or the news and I just start to

BOSSes, Anne Ganguzza and Lau Lapides explore a core challenge for every voice actor: managing personal emotions and moods to deliver a consistent, authentic performance. The Bosses delve into how easily actors can slip into autopilot or let personal frustration compromise a read. This episode provides practical acting methodologies to help you discipline your thoughts, shift your emotional state on demand, and utilize your entire emotional range to serve the story. 00:00 - Anne (Host) Hey Boss, listeners, Anne Ganguzza here. Leveraging years of expertise in the voiceover industry, I offer coaching and award-winning demo production that embodies excellence. I am dedicated to your success. Let's work together to get your career to where you've always wanted it to be. Visit anneganguzza.com to find out more. 00:24 - Speaker 2 (Announcement) It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne Ganguzza. 00:43 - Anne (Host) Hey everyone, welcome to the VO Boss Podcast and the Boss Superpower Series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I am here with Superpower co-host Laura Lapidus. Yay, thank you, annie. I love being called a superpower. Well, I'll tell you what your shirt is so colorful today. I love it. 01:06 - Lau (Guest) Yeah, I'm feeling like this blue is putting me in a certain mood. You know, getting me very moody, but not in a blue mood, more in a hot mood. 01:15 - Anne (Host) Yeah, it's blue and flowers, so there's kind of like a cult, like a culmination of moods, maybe I thought you were going to say a cult. 01:22 - Lau (Guest) No, not a cult, but more of a comedy, more of likes, maybe I thought you were going to say a cult. 01:33 - Anne (Host) No, not a cult, but more of a comedy, More of like artistic meets, comedy meets, I don't know, meets like hot diva thing, oh my gosh. Well, you know that's funny. I'm always so thankful to talk to you, Law, because you're always so positive and upbeat and happy. 01:41 And you know it's interesting because I, as you know, I mean I work with a lot of students and a lot of them that are working full time and then doing voiceover part time, and so they've got, or they've got life happening you know life you know, life, life can happen, life happens and I'll tell you what your mood and how you are dealing with the day can so affect your reads, because I'll have some people that'll be like, yeah, I did it last night, after you know, I came home from work and I'm like, well, yeah, I can tell, because you were exhausted or did you have a bad day, because it actually reflects in your read and I thought it'd be great to talk about how your mood affects your performance. 02:30 I mean, it seems so obvious and we just say, yeah, your mood affects your performance, but maybe it affects it more than you even know, because a lot of times I feel like we go on autopilot. When we're in a certain mood, or we don't want to deal with certain things, or you know, we're not going to acknowledge certain feelings, we then compartmentalize, and we don't always compartmentalize in a way that's helpful for our performance. 02:53 - Lau (Guest) So true. And you know, I first thought about mood as a young, young kid, really, when I was being trained in the theater. I would have directors that would say for rehearsal, leave your trash at the door. Don't worry about it, it'll be there to pick up on your way out. 03:11 - Anne (Host) Leave your trash. 03:12 - Lau (Guest) What does that mean? And meaning that to discipline yourself in the workspace, you cannot bring in every feeling, every thought and every mood that you're walking in with. You have to leave it behind and come into that neutral discipline space. 03:28 - Anne (Host) Unless. 03:28 - Lau (Guest) maybe you're using it to create a character Unless you're channeling it, but even so it's like can you move in and out of it? 03:37 - Anne (Host) That's tough to do. Yeah, that's tough to do. 03:40 - Lau (Guest) Yeah, or is it so adopted in you, so inside of you, that you can't see it? You no longer have the self-awareness to see the mood that you're in. 04:03 - Anne (Host) They're like no, I thought it thought it was great. And then, in reality, I'm like you were tired, weren't you? You know, or you were exhausted, or you were frustrated, or and sometimes it'll become it'll come out right in the first few words I'm like you hate this script, don't you? It's like, well, I had a bad day and so, yeah, being able to compartmentalize or put that aside. And then the probably, I would say, the biggest problem for me in the niches that I teach is that it's. You can start off in one mood. You can say, ok, I've got to be positive, I got to get my energy up, and because I've had a long day, and so let me get my energy up. And then you've got it up for a

Anne Ganguzza and Tom Dheere share decades of combined experience in this insightful episode, dedicated to the long view of a voice acting career. Having been in the industry since the cassette and CD demo era, the hosts emphasize that longevity is achieved not through linear steps, but through resilience, strategic adaptation, and continuous self-improvement. The discussion provides a candid look at why the work never stops, the necessity of community, and the critical importance of mastering the mental game. 00:00 - Anne (Host) Hey bosses, Anne Ganguzza here. Are you ready to take the next step in your voiceover career? At Anne Ganguzza Productions, I specialize in target marketed coaching and demo production that gets you booked. If you're thinking about elevating your performance or creating an awesome demo, check me out at anneganguzza.com. 00:22 - Speaker 2 (Announcement) It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host, Anne Ganguzza. 00:41 - Anne (Host) Hey, hey everyone. Welcome to the VO Boss podcast and the Real Bosses series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I'm here with the one and only illustrious Mr Tom Dheere, real Boss. 00:54 - Tom (Host) Hi everybody, hi Anne hey. 00:56 - Anne (Host) Tom, how are? 00:57 - Tom (Host) you. I'm doing pretty good, if I'm not mistaken, haven't you, didn't you just have an anniversary? 01:03 - Anne (Host) I did Just celebrated 25 years with my hubby whoa. It seems like yesterday. I swear to god, 25 years just went so fast that's amazing and uh, and you, just, you just were telling me about your blogiversary how long have you been blogging? 17 years oh my god, tom that blogging, I mean I've been blogging for a you been blogging 17 years. Oh my God, tom, blogging, I mean I've been blogging for a while, but blogging for 17 years is insane. 01:31 - Tom (Host) Thank you. 01:31 - Anne (Host) Wow, you must have really good SEO. That's all I got to say. 01:35 - Tom (Host) I would like to yeah. Yeah, my SEO is pretty good. 01:37 - Anne (Host) Yeah, we would like to think that you have good SEO, but, wow, so long term relationships. You know it makes me think about voiceover, because I have been in voiceover just about as long Not quite as long as I've been married to my husband, but you know, 21 years, and it's. It's incredible. I feel like I just started, but yet I don't, because it is and we always talk about it being a marathon, not a sprint and I think you've been in voiceover longer than me. 02:03 - Tom (Host) Yes, I decided I wanted to be a voice actor in 1994. 02:09 - Anne (Host) Wow yeah. And then I got my commercial demo. Some people were born in 1994. 02:14 - Tom (Host) Not me, I know. 02:17 - Anne (Host) Yeah, some of my students haven't been born. 02:19 - Tom (Host) Some bosses listening to this are going to be like, I was born in 1994. I know, or 2004. And then I got my commercial demo in 1995 and I booked my first voiceover in 1996. And I went full time as a voice actor in 2005 and started coaching in 2011. So I've been-. 02:39 - Anne (Host) Oh, I started coaching just shortly before you. Yeah, yeah, just a little bit longer, because then we started coaching just shortly before you. Yeah, yeah, just a little bit longer, because then because we met shortly thereafter at Voice 2012. 02:49 - Tom (Host) Oh my goodness, we already knew each other, but I don't think we met. 02:52 - Anne (Host) Yeah, but I remember we. 02:54 - Tom (Host) I definitely remember we hung out at Voice 2012, which was 13 years ago. Oh my gosh. 02:59 - Anne (Host) Woo At Disneyland. You know so and it's funny because we talk about you know how long have you been in voiceover and how long did it take you to become successful in voiceover? Well, I always say you know, my overnight success took many, many years. So I think and I think it's something that a lot of people don't understand, especially those that are intrigued by this industry you know thinking that, oh yeah, it's, I can stay at home, I can do this. You know thinking that, oh yeah, it's, I can stay at home, I can do this. You know, I can buy the mic. It'll cost me a few hundred dollars and then I can just start booking jobs and making money. 03:32 And I think really for I know we talk about all the time, but I think I want to have a whole episode dedicated to the realities of having a long view career and the fact that it is something that you have to be in for the long run if you truly want to be successful at it. I mean, of course, you could be in it for a couple of years and then, if you don't like it, you get out. But most people I know want to make a good, they want to be successful at it, they want to make a good living. So let's talk about what it's like to be in voiceover for a long time and what it looks like, because i