
Unrefined Podcast .com
What’s beyond the veil.
Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew · Brandon Spain/ UnrefinedPodcast.com
Show overview
Unrefined Podcast .com has been publishing since 2022, and across the 4 years since has built a catalogue of 190 episodes, alongside 1 trailer or bonus episode. That works out to roughly 200 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a weekly cadence.
Episodes typically run an hour to ninety minutes — most land between 54 min and 1h 16m — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. It is catalogued as a EN-language Religion & Spirituality show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 1 weeks ago, with 25 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2023, with 57 episodes published. Published by Brandon Spain/ UnrefinedPodcast.com.
From the publisher
What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
Latest Episodes
View all 190 episodesE213 Can Faith Rewrite What Runs in the Family?
E212 [Rewind] What Are We Really Searching for in the Sky?
E211 Your Heart Is Building a Reality Your Mind Can’t Outthink
E210 The Ancient Pattern Behind Artificial Intelligence
E209 Naturally Supernatural: The Easy Yoke of Meeting With God
E208 [Rewind] Not Quite Human
E207 Why Giants Matter
E206 Naturally Supernatural: Talk to God About Everything
E205 Battle for Your Soul
E204 [Rewind] What Do You Do With a Bible That Refuses to Stay Ordinary?
E203 Hearing Heart

E202 The Sightings No One Can Explain
https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat happens when too many eyewitness accounts start sounding alike to ignore?In this episode, Marcus Ellis returns to the show to talk about the rise in Dogman reports, the work of the North American Dogman Project, and the kinds of encounters that leave people shaken for years. He explains why he sees Dogman as distinct from Sasquatch, what witnesses most often describe, and why these cases seem to carry a different kind of fear than most Bigfoot reports.https://northamericandogmanproject.com/Timestamps: 00:00:51 Dogman as a question at the edge of folklore and the unseen realm 00:03:13 Marcus shares his role with the North American Dogman Project 00:05:39 Why Dogman encounters are treated more seriously than many Bigfoot cases 00:08:06 Why Marcus no longer sees Dogman as misidentified Sasquatch 00:10:37 The fear and trauma witnesses report after close encounters 00:13:03 Why Dogman gets less public acceptance especially in the Bible Belt 00:15:31 Bigfoot Dogman and the turn toward paranormal explanations 00:17:59 Dogman vs Bigfoot and why Dogman reports feel darker 00:20:27 Marcus recounts a Dogman sighting at Sky Lake 00:22:48 Todd’s terrifying face to face encounter in the woods 00:27:40 Yazoo County Sky Lake and Mississippi hotspot discussion 00:30:03 Strange locations local reports and more Mississippi stories 00:32:31 Why these creatures may be dangerous even if they do not always attack 00:34:51 SRT team reports and questions about DNA and government interest 00:37:22 Claims of government monitoring and asset theories 00:39:47 What Dogman reportedly looks like according to witnesses 00:44:37 Fear flesh and blood reality and the spiritual feel of encounters 00:47:00 Shape shifting skinwalker theories and why Marcus stays open but cautious 00:51:51 Dogman Nephilim and fitting cryptids into a biblical worldview 00:56:44 Giants abominations and why Canaan comes into the discussion 01:01:38 Blood defilement bestiality and corruption themes in scripture 01:04:02 Reptilian reports skepticism and eyewitness credibility 01:06:24 Why biblical and scientific lenses may both matter 01:11:06 The Bible as a supernatural book and not just a naturalistic text 01:13:27 Demon in the gaps and the danger of overexplaining everything spiritually 01:18:24 Biggest misconceptions about Dogman and fear of the outdoors 01:23:11 Are there male and female Dogman reports 01:25:31 Where to contact Marcus and the North American Dogman Project

E201 Out of Alignment: Why You’re Stuck (And How to Actually Get Free)
In this episode, we go beyond surface-level healing and step into the deeper mechanics of how the body, mind, and spirit actually work together. This isn’t about chasing trends or adopting buzzwords—it’s about understanding design.We unpack how trauma is stored, why subconscious beliefs shape your reality, and what it really means to come back into alignment with how God created you to function. From quantum principles and nervous system regulation to identity, sonship, and the power of belief—this conversation challenges the idea that we’re broken and replaces it with something far more dangerous:That we’ve simply been out of alignment. If you’ve ever wondered why healing feels inconsistent, why certain struggles won’t go away, or why your prayers sometimes feel blocked… this one will hit different. And it might just change how you see everything. Grab info about IBRTTimestamps:00:00:04 Anxiety fear and why you cannot pray effectively in fear00:00:28 Unrefined intro and sponsor call to action00:00:51 Why this conversation goes deeper than surface level healing00:03:08 The subconscious as the missing piece in healing00:05:26 God did not design us broken00:07:40 Alignment vs brokenness framework explained00:10:07 Science and theology working together00:12:31 Allopathic medicine vs natural healing tension00:14:51 Subconscious beliefs and frequency explained00:17:14 Why fear and shame keep people stuck00:19:42 Sonship identity and authority over the earth00:21:59 Real example of hidden beliefs affecting life00:24:25 Reclaiming what the enemy has distorted00:26:48 Misuse vs proper use of spiritual principles00:29:08 Energy modalities and alignment with the practitioner00:31:28 Bless baptize or burn framework00:33:44 What muscle testing actually measures00:36:06 How the subconscious stores memory and trauma00:40:56 Nutrition and body response through energy00:43:18 Truth vs lie responses in the body00:45:42 Quantum communication and spiritual discernment00:48:05 Real case study of spiritual root cause healing00:52:53 Why the body lacks energy to heal00:55:16 Healing is not linear process00:59:59 Conviction vs condemnation in healing01:02:21 Vision boards intention and alignment01:07:01 God giving desires vs performance mindset01:11:39 Poverty mindset vs abundance01:14:06 Vision and belief shaping reality01:18:59 Sonship vs new age identity01:21:03 Biggest lie about healing01:23:24 Forgiveness beyond words01:25:52 Nervous system and triggers01:29:45 Self sabotage and success blocks01:33:46 Limiting beliefs and fear of influence01:36:13 Double binds explained01:41:02 Personal story of root belief formation01:43:24 Final thoughts on IBRT and healing tools01:45:38 How to connect and learn more

E200 Stop Feeding the Pain
In this our 200th episode of the Unrefined Podcast, Brandon continues his conversation with Jennifer Johnson on judgment in the heart, emotional healing, biblical meditation, identity in Christ, and practical heart transformation. They discuss Dr. Jim Richards’ How to Stop the Pain, the difference between head knowledge and heart knowledge, how judgment creates pain cycles, and why peace, healing, and healthy relationships begin with renewing the mind and writing truth on the heart. This episode is a powerful look at Christian emotional healing, heart beliefs, forgiveness, journaling, biblical identity, and how to walk in peace and freedom.join.unrefinedpodcast.com <- become a sponsor How to Stop the Pain Book <- click for linkhttps://paperbell.me/jenniferjohnson-coachTimestamps:00:00:52 Introduction to Jennifer Johnson and part two setup00:01:20 Brandon shares personal testimony of depression and heart physics journey00:02:10 Importance of community and safe relationships in healing00:03:11 Introducing How to Stop the Pain and discussion direction00:04:10 Jennifer’s first encounter with Dr Jim Richards teachings00:05:00 Initial skepticism about sending away offense00:05:31 Story of offense and first practical application of sending it away00:07:00 Decision making and intention in heart transformation00:07:57 Immediate shift when choosing to release offense00:08:45 Pain is inevitable suffering is optional explained00:09:20 Brandon shares real life example from same morning00:10:08 Not about words but intention and heart posture00:10:45 Jennifer shares recent repentance for judgment00:12:00 How judgment operates and distorts perception00:12:27 Log in your own eye and focusing on faults00:13:30 How judgment snowballs into relational breakdown00:14:53 Twisted perception and spiritual distortion explained00:15:50 Becoming what you behold and sowing and reaping00:17:11 Law of the seed and identity transformation00:18:00 Identity crisis in culture and Genesis foundation00:19:28 Head knowledge vs heart knowledge00:20:10 God as a heart God and new heart reality00:21:52 Mind as gatekeeper and renewing the mind00:23:00 What righteousness actually means in practice00:24:11 Simplicity of believing who God says you are00:25:00 Engaging imagination in transformation00:26:32 Meditation reframed from biblical perspective00:27:30 Writing beliefs on the heart through emotion and imagery00:28:52 Identity illustration through royal family analogy00:30:00 House of David example and engaging scripture emotionally00:31:01 Imagination activating deeper understanding of scripture00:33:21 Living out of identity and supernatural expectation00:35:42 Faith vs fear and emotional belief systems00:36:30 Confession vs heart belief disconnect00:38:04 Living from the heart not behavior modification00:40:29 How heart beliefs are formed subconsciously00:42:51 Writing new beliefs through truth and scripture00:45:16 Identity producing promises and virtues00:47:35 Living from promises not striving00:49:57 Journaling as a tool for heart transformation00:52:18 Simple journaling practices and starting small00:54:33 Brandon realization about control and quiet time00:56:57 Journaling revealing hidden beliefs00:59:20 God reveals to heal not condemn01:01:38 First step to dismantling judgment01:03:11 Fixing others vs choosing peace01:04:01 Power of safe community without judgment01:06:16 Boundaries vs threats explained01:08:35 Judgment vs discernment tension01:11:00 Letting go of pain instead of holding offense01:13:20 Choosing righteousness over being right01:15:21 Identity transformation and encouragement01:17:14 Final thoughts and emotional closingjoinapp.unrefinedpodcast.com <- get our FREE app- join the conversation

E199 Behind Humanity: Mental Health and the Unseen Realm
There is a growing conversation happening around trauma, mental health, spiritual warfare, and the unseen realm and this episode steps right into it. Brandon and the Unrefined crew sit down with Dr. Natalie Atwell to explore what happens when human struggle is treated only through a clinical lens and the spiritual dimension is ignored. Dr. Atwell shares from her work as a clinical mental health therapist, educator, and researcher, explaining why some issues that present as mental health struggles may also carry deeper spiritual roots.This conversation covers trauma, epigenetics, attachment, generational patterns, personality disorders, suicide, dissociation, Freemasonry, occult influence, deliverance, inner healing, brain science, and the divine council worldview. Rather than reducing everything to demons or dismissing the supernatural entirely, this episode presses into a more integrated biblical framework for healing and freedom.If you’ve wrestled with depression, spiritual oppression, church trauma, counseling, or the question of how the unseen realm intersects with real life, this episode gives language to a conversation many people have felt but never knew how to articulate.https://mentalwarriorconsulting.com/Timestamps:00:00:07 There are spiritual beings out there who have influenced us negatively00:00:51 Intro to mental health spiritual formation and the unseen realm00:03:10 Dr Natalie Atwell shares her background in counseling and Liberty University00:05:30 When clinical explanations stopped being enough00:07:46 Why some mental health struggles may have spiritual roots00:09:50 The cost of ignoring the unseen realm in modern mental health00:12:01 Why spiritual darkness questions rarely get asked in therapy00:14:23 Trauma early experiences and the imprint they leave00:16:48 The Body Keeps the Score trauma and generational patterns00:19:03 Epigenetics faith and healing00:21:11 Why spirituality alone is not enough if darkness is ignored00:23:20 Suicide spiritual oppression and going to war with the lie00:25:38 How skeptical therapists respond to this framework00:27:44 A case study involving dissociation and Freemasonry00:29:48 Personal testimony of darkness depression and survival00:32:03 Layered healing trauma choices and demonic influence00:34:04 Fraternal orders sororities and hidden influence00:36:28 The gray areas and asking better questions00:38:50 The Holy Spirit and discernment in counseling00:41:14 Why the divine council worldview matters for real people00:43:24 Why children may be targeted and the value they carry00:45:48 Assessing darkness without blaming everything on demons00:47:57 Narcissism pride attachment disorder and Babel00:50:16 How to distinguish trauma from spiritual oppression00:53:03 Finished work inner healing and the long road of restoration00:57:39 Renewing the mind after deliverance and healing00:59:35 Community attachment and why the church must show up01:01:55 What Christian mental health care could look like in five years01:04:08 SRA alien abduction language and believing people’s stories01:06:33 How pastors should respond to strange or disturbing testimonies01:08:56 House of David giants and the supernatural worldview of scripture01:11:02 Preparing the church for stranger days ahead01:12:35 Final encouragement greater is He who is in you

E198 ORP: The Rest of the Story
https://join.unrefinedpodcast.comWhat happens when you keep pulling on the thread and realize the system goes deeper than you thought?In part two with Jason Spears and Christopher Dean of Operation Red Pill, Brandon picks the conversation right back up where it left off and pushes into one of the biggest tensions in the fringe space: how do you stay open to what’s real without drifting into nonsense? What follows is a sharp, honest, and surprisingly grounded conversation about discernment, patience, the limits of logic, the role of the Holy Spirit, and why the Bible is more than a reference book. It is a lens, a framework, and a fixed point in a world designed to keep people disoriented.They get into Mandela Effect claims, pareidolia, current events, spiritual manipulation, the church as counterforce, and the satanic control matrix as a reaction to what Christ has already accomplished. Add in stories about divine protection, coffee paid for by God, truck fires, Mercury years, and a prayer to close it all out, and you’ve got an episode that goes from heady to deeply personal in a hurry.https://orppodcast.com/Timestamps:00:03:15 Discernment conspiracy facts and avoiding pareidolia 00:05:31 Patience current events and using the Bible as a window 00:07:51 Mandela Effect false memory and attacks on the Bible 00:10:15 War doctrine scripture and filtering misinformation 00:12:31 Logic Holy Spirit and resisting sensationalism 00:14:55 Straight out of Troja and why logic alone can fail 00:17:21 Fixed points Mercury time and God’s perspective 00:19:39 Age time and the limits of human frameworks 00:22:03 The Bible as the codebook against the control matrix 00:24:24 House of David giants and seeing scripture differently 00:26:45 Divine calendar secular time and cultural manipulation 00:29:09 Individual societal and global control as reaction to the gospel

E197 You’ve Been Drafted: The Ongoing War for Your Mind and Soul
Ehttps://join.unrefinedpodcast.comBrandon, Lindsy and the Unrefined crew sit down with Jason Spears and Christopher Dean of Operation Red Pill to map the “satanic control matrix”—a framework for how culture, media, education, and systems of power shape the way people think, feel, and live. They unpack brainwashing stages (desensitization, jamming, conversion), symbolism in entertainment, and practical ways to unplug without living in paranoia. AND MORE. https://orppodcast.com/Timestamps:00:00:50 Brandon introduces the crew and Operation Red Pill00:03:05 The satanic control matrix begins how they got into this00:05:28 The origin story starts and the flood question at work00:07:46 Hidden messaging and the MCU breakdown concept00:09:54 When the satanic control matrix language formed00:12:10 The theology argument and why Christopher saw room to grow00:14:39 Starbucks moment the framework starts getting written00:17:03 Definition of the satanic control matrix and the cosmic chessboard00:19:24 Why this framework helps connect the big narrative00:21:43 Desensitization explained and exposure changes responses00:24:03 Noticing language and content shifts over time00:26:24 Jamming social pressure labeling and coercion00:28:44 Conversion narratives and the AI programming example00:31:08 Everything becomes weaponized in culture against people00:33:31 Top Gun symbolism moment and nothing feels safe00:35:58 How to use this information without losing hope00:38:15 Overload distraction and why people cannot think clearly00:40:42 Reticular activating system and cognitive rigidity00:43:07 Community sanity and changing your relationship with tech00:45:29 Quiet time and the mind of Christ in a noisy age00:47:50 Practical steps disrupting screens and stimulation00:50:17 Why Jesus took quiet and why that matters00:52:35 How to stay sane and conspiracy fatigue00:53:06 Practical unplugging tips lights on subtitles pause mid movie00:55:30 Brainwave shift and why screens lower resistance00:57:48 Ammo stacking and staying on Team Jesus01:00:10 Entertainment etymology enter and detain01:02:37 Dionysus Bacchus and possession themes01:05:01 Syncretism and the path toward a universal system01:07:03 Method acting channeling examples and spiritual access01:09:30 Movies music sports and games as spiritual liturgy01:11:52 Video games occult themes and cultural conditioning01:14:14 Net industrial complex and subconscious programming01:16:36 The three control goals individual social global01:18:53 Education as individual control protocol01:21:18 Social control through industries and systems01:23:39 Telecommunications and reversing Babel effects01:26:04 Operation Paperclip and occult tech transfer themes01:28:30 Global control pillars geopolitics finance religion01:30:55 Brandon reacts framework clarity and big picture value

E196 The Cost of Casting Out
This isn’t an attack on the supernatural. It’s a call to integrity, accountability, and making sure what we call freedom actually looks like Jesus. Deliverance is real. And so is the damage that happens when zeal outruns discernment. In this Sponsors Only conversation, Brandon and Lindsy talk with Dr. Merrill Greene about “exorcistic abuse,” the history behind exorcism language, why “unclean spirits” mattered in the Second Temple world, and how fake manifestations, celebrity culture, and bad theology can wreck vulnerable people.https://join.unrefinedpodcast.com2 ways to join- $6/monthly OR $10/monthly- support the movement! Timestamps:00:00:48 Brandon frames the episode redemptively not anti supernatural00:03:02 Why Merrill started writing The Cost of Casting Out00:04:10 A sham deliverance meeting eyes flashing and peer pressure00:06:10 Leg lengthening and the danger of staged miracles00:07:39 The Winger /Bolz /Bethel tension and how discernment gets weaponized00:08:50 Deliverance vs exorcism why Protestants changed the language00:10:55 Brief history of exorcism from ancient world to early church00:13:20 Divine council worldview and territorial powers without obsession00:16:37 Unclean spirits vs demons Second Temple context and 1 Enoch thread00:18:44 What exorcistic abuse looks like in real cases00:23:25 When people mean well but bad theology turns lethal00:25:47 Accountability without becoming a heresy hustle culture00:28:04 Fake manifestations Munchausen dynamics and ministry incentives00:30:23 Zoom deliverance social pressure and manufactured demons00:32:41 Theology has consequences why what you believe shapes what you do00:34:58 Practical markers character accountability and fruit not theatrics00:37:20 Covering concerns disciple making movements and lone wolf danger00:39:48 How common is real possession and why proof matters00:42:02 Celebrity church culture performance pressure and entertainment00:46:44 Ignorance training gaps and trauma created by careless labels00:49:02 Character integrity humility and community as a safeguard00:56:09 Charismatic realism wanting the real without the spectacle00:58:20 Closing word and why this matters for judgment and witness

E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information
Misery has a way of forcing honest questions.In this episode, Brandon sits down with Jennifer Johnson who has spent decades helping people move beyond information about God and into real, embodied transformation. This conversation explores heart physics, biblical meditation, imagination, and why so many believers know Scripture—but can’t seem to live free.What happens when the Word moves from the mind into the heart? What if healing isn’t about trying harder, fixing yourself, or perfect behavior—but learning to trust again?This episode unpacks why religious systems often fear inner freedom, how imagination was designed to work, and why your response to pain determines the outcome of your story. The conversation culminates in a live guided biblical meditation that invites listeners into direct awareness of Christ within.This is not self-help. This is not technique-driven spirituality. This is an invitation to closeness.https://paperbell.me/jenniferjohnson-coachhttps://joinapp.unrefinedpodcast.comTimestamps:00:00:51 Introducing heart physics and biblical meditation00:03:02 Growing up Christian and discovering something was missing00:05:24 How How to Stop the Pain reframed suffering00:07:45 Heart physics and the parable of the sower00:12:23 Why information alone never produces fruit00:16:52 Meditation, imagination, and reclaiming what religion feared00:21:37 Sanctified imagination versus misuse00:28:43 Christ in you awareness not self-fixing00:30:59 The moment Jesus said “I chose you”00:33:10 Why experience changes everything00:34:47 Guided biblical meditation begins00:41:56 Trusting Jesus as an invitation not a demand00:45:06 Final reflection and closing

E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?
There are “good causes” that can still be carrying a bad spirit, and some of the cleanest-looking institutions in public can hide the dirtiest mechanics underneath. In this one, we talk about how the mask works, why symbolism matters, and why discernment has to be more than vibes. We keep it anchored: Jesus is the way, not a ladder system, not an oath system, not a mystery religion with Christian paint on it — Amy from Eyes on the Right.Timestamps 00:00:07 The veil that hides what groups really are 00:00:25 Unrefined intro and sponsor shoutout 00:00:48 Amy’s testimony and why it points back to Jesus 00:03:08 Sobriety and “no longer lukewarm” devotion 00:05:29 Secret societies as “same gift different wrapping paper” 00:07:51 Knights Templar links and the public “good guy” image 00:10:14 What lower-level Masons know and don’t know 00:12:31 Revelation of the method and “game” dynamics