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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Farooq Malik, co-founder and CEO of Rain, as two parallel wars erupt across crypto: the Perp DEX war between Hyperliquid and the CZ-backed Aster, and the deepening battle for stablecoin dominance. As Aster rockets to $30B in daily volume, we debate whether it’s real adoption or points-fueled froth — and what it means for Hyperliquid’s lead. Then we dive into Tether’s shocking $500B valuation play, Circle’s shrinking moat, and how Rain is building real-world rails for stablecoin payments. If crypto has two new battlegrounds — trading venues and money itself — this is where the future is getting drawn. Show highlights 🔹 DEX Wars: Aster vs. Hyperliquid – Aster hits $30B daily volume; is it real demand or a points-fueled surge? Hyperliquid’s dominance faces its first real threat. 🔹 CZ’s Return to Form – Aster’s Binance links, aggressive fee model, and possible “James Wynn” conspiracy theory raise the stakes in the perp DEX arena. 🔹 Wash Trading & Open Interest Gaps – Aster’s $2B TVL contrasts with $1.25B open interest vs. Hyperliquid’s $10B, sparking questions about organic traction. 🔹 Incentive Wars – Aster rewards takers 2x over makers; Hyperliquid and Blur praised for long-game design that built sticky liquidity instead of short-term volume. 🔹 The Execution Advantage – Haseeb: “Asia executes better than it innovates”; Aster may stumble now but could out-iterate and outscale its rivals. 🔹 Stablecoin Shockwave: Tether’s $500B Valuation Leak – Tether quietly seeks $15–20B in private funding, aiming for a $500B valuation—matching OpenAI and SpaceX. 🔹 Circle vs. Tether – Circle trades at 0.5x supply, Tether seeks 3x; the panel debates margins, moat, and whether USDC can survive the “reverse momentum.” 🔹 Rain’s Real-World Stablecoin Rails – Farooq Malik shares how Rain powers payroll, P2P, cards, and merchant payments on stablecoins—without touching fiat. 🔹 New Use Cases: Stablecoins in the Wild – On-chain credit cards, just-in-time lending, cross-border Facebook ad funding, and more—all enabled by 24/7 money. 🔹 Global Adoption: LatAm, MENA, Asia – Rain’s data shows stablecoin usage exploding outside the U.S., especially in regions with FX controls and unstable banks. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️Farooq Malik, Co-Founder & CEO of Rain ⁠Disclosures⁠ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:02 Aster vs. Hyperliquid 14:25 Regulatory Capture: L2s, Sequencers, CFTC 26:08 Tether’s $500B Valuation: Bubble or Bargain? 31:36 Tether vs. Circle: Stablecoin Economics 42:56 Rain: Stablecoin Payments Infra 47:16 Stablecoin Use Cases; Cards, Payroll, P2P 54:04 Global Stablecoin Growth Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do stablecoin-first blockchains win distribution? Does TVL actually map to value? And why speculation may become the default language of online culture. In this 3-part episode, we explore three different important stories. Segment 1: CoinFund’s Seth Ginns explains how newly launched stablecoin chain Plasma aims to compete, plus why the “stablecoin race” with Circle and Stripe is just beginning. Segment 2: Solana Foundation president Lily Liu lays out why revenue—not TVL—should be crypto’s north-star metric, whether TVL can be easily gamed, and what a better DeFi metric stack looks like. Segment 3: Figment Capital’s James Parillo makes the case for Pump.fun and “AudienceFi”: how creator coins can financialize streaming, whether token collapses are a feature, and why both perps and memecoins rhyme with gambling. Thank you to our sponsors! TOKEN2049 - Get 15% off with code UNCHAINED Binance Guests: James Parillo, General Partner at Figment Capital Lily Liu, President of Solana Foundation Seth Ginns, Managing Partner and Head of Liquid Investments at CoinFund Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Crypto investors love to throw around “FDV” as if it’s the ultimate measure of value. But what if that number is more misleading than helpful? In this episode, DBA’s Jon Charbonneau explains his proposal to cut Hyperliquid’s supply by nearly half, why he believes FDV overstates real valuations, and how outdated tokenomics are holding projects back. We also cover whether the Hyperliquid team should take smaller allocations if they cut the token supply and what Jon thinks of Arthur Hayes’ HYPE sale just weeks after saying the token would 10x. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsor, ⁠Mantle⁠! Guest: Jon Charbonneau, Co-founder and General Partner of DBA Links: Proposal to Reduce HYPE Total Supply by 45% by Jon Charbonneau, Co-founder of DBA Maelstrom post: HYPE's Damocles Sword Unchained: Nearly $12 Billion in HYPE Token Unlocks Loom Ahead: Maelstrom Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📉 0:35 What Jon thinks people get wrong when they use FDV as a valuation metric 🧮 4:05 How Jon’s proposal would change Hyperliquid’s supply and valuation 🆘 12:20 If the Assistance Fund is removed, how can emergencies be handled? 📊 15:05 How token supplies should really be evaluated when valuing projects ⏳ 20:44 Why current tokenomics reflect an outdated model ✂️ 24:56 Should the Hyperliquid team be taking a smaller allocation too? 🤔 28:15 What Jon thinks of Arthur Hayes selling HYPE right after calling for the moon 🔮 31:351 How Hyperliquid should move forward with Jon’s proposal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Markets had a flood of liquidations on Monday, and traders lost over $1.5 billion in positions. So, why are liquidations spiking? Is this a warning or a blip? Also, could a flood of DAT issuance be setting the stage for not just a crypto winter, but a crypto “nuclear” winter? If so, hedge funds and market structure could accelerate the pain. This week on Bits + Bips, Steven Ehrlich, Ram Ahluwalia, Austin Campbell, and Vinny Lingham talk about why mNAVs could compress and whether even MicroStrategy’s stack is more fragile than it looks. They debate the bull case for gold (yes, even at these ATHs), how tokenized stocks and changing reporting cadences could open new insider edges, and what the U.S. macro picture looks like. Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus: Scalable storage that lets you publish, deliver, and program any data, onchain. Xapo: Where Global Banking Meets Bitcoin Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Austin Campbell, Founder and Managing Partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Vinny Lingham, Co-founder of Praxos Capital Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💥7:39 Why Monday’s liquidations spiked and what triggered $1.5B in losses 📊 11:18 How a shift away from quarterly reporting could change markets 🕵️ 14:16 How tokenized stocks might hand insiders a massive edge 🐻 22:05 Why Vinny is bearish right now and why Ram disagrees 🥇 24:25 Why gold might still have upside, even at record highs 📉 28:59 Whether the flood of DATs will end in brutal consolidation ⚡ 35:49 Could even MicroStrategy blow up under market stress? ✅ 48:17 What SEC clearing the path for ETFs really signals for crypto 📈 54:23 Ram’s stock picks in this environment ⚠️ 56:00 Why Austin sees a looming breakdown in the U.S. economy 😌 58:02 Why Vinny doesn’t feel the need to take big risks right now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Cyber Capital’s Justin Bons and Codex’s Haonan Li challenge the new orthodoxy: whether payments chains should be alt L1s or Ethereum L2s, how “neutrality” and finality matter for real-world transactions, and why fragmentation could make or break onchain dollars. We dig into Stripe’s Tempo (and its permissioned start), what it would take for L2s to reach true decentralization, and whether stablechains undercut general-purpose chains. Plus: the trade-offs of sequencers, paying gas in dollars, and whether protocol-native stables are the future. Thank you to our sponsors! Binance Token2049 – Get 15% off with code UNCHAINED Guests: Justin Bons, Founder and CIO of Cyber Capital Haonan Li, Co-founder and CEO of Codex Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💭 1:45 Laying out the first arguments 🛠️ 12:57 What needs to happen for L2s to finally become stage 2 rollups 💵 15:40 Why Haonan chose to launch a stablecoin-focused L2 on Ethereum 🏦 30:17 Does Stripe’s Tempo L1 spell trouble for Ethereum L2s? ⚖️ 38:55 Whether Tempo can position itself as a neutral blockchain 🔗 50:02 Are L2s capable of true decentralization? ⏱️ 53:58 How important finality is for stablecoin businesses 🧩 57:08 Why fragmentation could make or break stablecoins 🔮 1:02:31 What the future of rollups should look like ⚔️ 1:05:58 The case for and against general-purpose chains 📉 1:13:12 Whether protocol-native stablecoins will keep gaining traction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Gordon Liao, Chief Economist at Circle, to dissect the Stablecoin Wars. From Circle’s Arc and Stripe + Paradigm’s Tempo, to Solana’s native stablecoin push and Hyperliquid’s deal, we unpack why everyone suddenly wants their own chain or branded stablecoin. Is this the future of crypto’s monetary layer — or just a fragmentation nightmare? We dig into FX use cases, PMF for stablecoins, collective bargaining power of ecosystems, and whether “stablecoin-as-a-service” is the next killer primitive or a liquidity trap. Show highlights 🔹 Arc vs. Tempo — Circle’s Arc and Stripe + Paradigm’s Tempo: stablecoin-native L1s with permissioned validator sets, stablecoin gas, privacy, and FX engines. 🔹 Will FX Ever Matter? — Gordon: $9T/day FX market is broken; onchain FX could slash costs. Tarun + Haseeb question whether non-USD stables will ever get real traction. 🔹 Solana’s Stablecoin Gambit — Mert & Solana cabal eyeing a native stable to “stop giving Circle all the yield” — can a chain coordinate its way to PMF? 🔹 Collective Bargaining Meta — Hyperliquid deal proves apps/chains can extract economics from issuers; could ecosystems unionize to demand rev share? 🔹 Money Velocity Problem — BUSD worked (until it was banned); Huobi’s KUSD died for lack of velocity; most native stables never circulate beyond mints/redemptions. 🔹 Stablecoin-as-a-Service Gold Rush — Everyone launching a wrapped stable: M^0, Paxos, Agora. Does this dilute liquidity and trust — or unlock new UX? 🔹 Trust & Brand Moat — Users can’t be forced to convert; Circle’s scale, bank rails, and liquidity network remain hard to replicate. 🔹 Network Effects ≠ Monopoly — Stablecoin market evolved into USDC/Tether duopoly with niche players (Athena); future may see more vertical-specific winners. 🔹 Reg + Yield Outlook — GENIUS Act may ban interest payments; as rates fall, mint/redeem fees may replace reserve yield as the main revenue source. 🔹 Stablecoin Future — Will Solana, Tempo, Arc, and others fragment liquidity — or finally bring the next billion users on-chain? Hosts⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️Gordon Liao, Chief Economist & Head of Research at Circle Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:52 Gordon Liao from Circle 01:48 Stablecoin Chains: Arc vs. Tempo 04:40 Memory Lane with Libra 06:33 Will FX Ever Matter for Stablecoins? 12:06 Challenges with Stablecoin Adoption 23:12 Circle’s Strategy & Competitors 26:13 Stablecoin Negotiations & Ecosystem Dynamics 31:39 Launching a Global Scale Stablecoin 37:25 Role of Trust & Branding 41:25 Stablecoin as a Service 57:53 The Future of Stablecoins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week on Bits + Bips, hosts Steve Ehrlich and Ram Ahluwalia speak with Blockchain.com’s Nic Cary and Franklin Templeton’s Max Gokhman. We talk about how the potential Base token would alter the L2 landscape, and who should capture the value if Coinbase becomes the backbone for DeFi. Also, whether Web2 and TradFi giants will buy their way onchain, why privacy infrastructure is overdue, and how TON’s superapp strategy could pressure social platforms to follow suit. Plus: how Franklin Templeton is valuing L2s and other tokens, why the FOMC’s decision matters for crypto risk, and how tariff talk could spill into digital assets. Thank you to our sponsor, Xapo! Hosts: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guests: Nic Cary, Co-Founder and Vice Chairman at Blockchain.com Max Gokhman, Deputy Chief Investment Officer for Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions Links: Unchained: Base Will Likely Have a Token: Why Now, Who Wins, and How Big It Gets Base Starts to Explore a Native Token Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🪙 5:13 The reason for Coinbase’s flip flop on a Base token 🌉 18:33 Should Blockchain.com launch its own L2? 🏗️ 22:05 Is Coinbase becoming the infrastructure layer for DeFi? 📊 25:13 How $1.5 trillion Franklin Templeton builds valuation frameworks for L2s and tokens 📱 30:33 Nic’s case for TON and its superapp strategy 🏦 34:00 Whether Web2 and TradFi giants will buy their way onchain 🕵️ 40:21 Why privacy infrastructure is overdue for crypto but never seems to work 📉 51:03 Surprising predictions regarding the next Fed rate cut 🇺🇸 57:45 Why Trump has a tariff backup plan, and what it means for crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Base just crossed its own Rubicon. After months of saying “no token,” Jesse Pollak now says Base must decentralize and is “exploring” a token. What changed? On this episode, Proof of Play’s ICO Beast and former Coinbase Ventures investor Ryan Yi unpack why “exploring” is the operative word, how policy (the Clarity Act) could shape the rollout, and what a points-driven airdrop might look like. We dig into governance realism (what Coinbase will and won’t give up), token utility and valuation math, and how a Base↔Solana bridge could ignite a fight for DeFi liquidity while Solana keeps winning Gen-Z consumers. Mantle is pioneering "Blockchain for Banking" — a revolutionary new category at the intersection of TradFi and web3. Thank you to our sponsor Mantle! Follow Mantle to learn more. Guests: Ico Beast, Merchant of Narratives at Proof of Play Ryan Yi, Ex Coinbase, Coinbase Ventures, and CoinFund Links: Unchained: Base Starts to Explore a Native Token LayerZero Fought the Sybils and Airdropped Its Token. Did the Team Win? Why the War Over the USDH Ticker on Hyperliquid Is Bullish for Crypto Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 😲 1:32 Why Ryan says this step feels right but is also “shocking” 🧐 3:21 Why Base announced it was exploring a token rather than just launching one 🛠️ 5:19 How Ryan views Base’s decision to stay committed to Ethereum 📊 7:43 What Ryan thinks a fair token allocation would look like ⚖️ 13:43 How the Clarity Act could shape a Base token rollout 🎁 16:23 Will Coinbase distribute through an ICO, an airdrop, or something else? 📈 23:32 Why ICO Beast has a different take on the right allocation 🛡️ 26:10 Why sybil filters will be critical for Base 💡 27:50 What the Base token’s utility could be—and how to value it 🌉 37:24 What the announced Base ↔ Solana bridge could mean ⚔️ 42:08 Whether Ethereum and Solana are heading for a DeFi liquidity war 🔥 45:25 How competition across crypto companies is heating up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hyperliquid’s USDH ticker set off the most dramatic “RFP” in recent memory. The crew breaks down why Native Markets ran away with validator support, whether the process was theater or strategy, and how the Bake-off became a marketing masterstroke—and potential leverage on Circle. We dig into Polymarket odds, the last‑minute Paxos bribery allegation (denied), and what this means for future “native” stables on Solana, app chains, and beyond. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Guy founder of Ethena as a special guest, as a single ticker (USDH) sparked a weeklong spectacle: Hyperliquid’s “Bake-off” to award the USDH stablecoin brand. Native Markets surged ahead as validators signaled support, Paxos rallied late with partners and incentives, and Ethena ultimately withdrew. Was this always a vibes‑based beauty contest, or a deliberate move to pressure Circle and re‑route bridge yield? We parse the incentives, the governance, and the market microstructure — and peek at what happens if every big chain/app tries the “native stablecoin” playbook. Show highlights🔹 Hyperliquid RFP, Explained — Validators signaled early; stakers could migrate; the USDH “ticker” confers no explicit fee rights, yet bidders offered huge economics. 🔹 Why Native Won — “Vibes-based beauty contest”: homegrown team fit the HL ethos; speed, alignment, and community trust trumped external credentials. 🔹 Paxos Allegation — Late claim of validator bribery surfaced; Paxos denied; no receipts provided; underscores governance fragility to extra‑protocol incentives. 🔹 The Real Prize — Bridge control & yield capture (+ tail‑risk management) mattered more than a brand: even a “just a ticker” beachhead can evolve to real economics. 🔹 Masterstroke Marketing — The public Bake-off dragged every major issuer onstage, boosting HL mindshare and potential leverage in any USDC negotiation. 🔹 Open vs. Closed — If you want a native team, say so; calling it an “RFP” for service providers while preferring insiders created dissonance and drama. 🔹 Odds vs. Votes — Polymarket odds rapidly converged on Native despite splashy rival bids—perception and validator reality diverged from Twitter takes. 🔹 Issuer Margins Compress — Public bids commoditize stablecoin issuance; expect 5–15 bps “asset‑manager” style economics unless you’re Tether‑scale. 🔹 App/Chain Rent Wars — Who captures the float? Apps, wallets, and chains will increasingly demand economics for distribution; UX and liquidity fragmentation loom. 🔹 Liquidity Gotchas — Forcing a nonstandard stable can impair quotes vs. USDT pairs elsewhere; exchanges risk killing their golden goose to save a few bps. Hosts⁠ ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️Guy Young, Founder & CEO of Ethena Labs Disclosures⁠⁠ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:27 Hyperliquid USDH Stablecoin Proposal: Setup & Stakes 03:25 USDH “Bake-off”: Native Markets vs. Paxos, Ethena, Frax 06:21 Early Signals, Rumors, and Bribery Allegations 13:33 Validator Decisions, Community Reactions & Market Fallout 28:53 Polymarket Odds & Onchain Sentiment 29:47 Liquidity, Bridge Yield, & Market Microstructure Explained 31:46 Hyperliquid’s Strategic Playbook 34:28 Governance Design 37:45 Stablecoin Ecosystem 39:25 Exchange Liquidity Challenges, Maker Behavior & Fee Dynamics 55:28 Final Takeaways & Lessons for Chains, Exchanges & Issuers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stablecoins are supposed to be boring, but the fight for the USDH ticker on Hyperliquid has turned into one of the most dramatic battles in crypto. From Ethena suddenly pulling out, to Paxos revamping its bid, to whispers of favoritism, the contest has put protocol-native stablecoins in the spotlight. In this episode, MegaETH co-founder Shuyao Kong, who just announced their own stablecoin USDm, speaks about why they chose Ethena as a partner, and why alignment with Hyperliquid matters more than short-term incentives. She also explains why ecosystems need both yield-chasing and yield-agnostic stablecoins — and whether Circle and Tether could be pushed aside in the next wave of competition. Thank you to our sponsor, ⁠Token2049⁠! Get 15% off your tickets with the code UNCHAINED! Guest: Shuyao Kong, Co-founder of MegaETH Links: Unchained: The Competition Is On. Who’ll Win the USDH Ticker on Hyperliquid? Bits + Bips: Hyperliquid’s USDH Bidding War & Why the DAT Model Is Broken Ethena Joins Race to Issue Hyperliquid’s USDH Paxos Unveils USDH Proposal V2 With PayPal, Venmo Integrations Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Ethena withdraws its proposal The Block: MegaETH launches native USDm stablecoin with Ethena to subsidize sequencer fees Polymarket bet: Who will win the USDH ticker? Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔥 3:02 Why Shuyao is so energized by the USDH ticker war 🔄 4:52 How the USDH drama reshaped MegaETH’s USDm launch 🤝 5:27 What convinced MegaETH to choose Ethena as its partner 🌐 11:20 What it really means to be aligned with an ecosystem 🚪 15:36 How Shuyao views Ethena’s sudden withdrawal from the contest 📣 18:22 Whether public governance decisions will keep gaining influence 🏗️ 20:16 Will protocol-native stablecoins be the winners of the next wave? 💵 21:22 Could Circle and Tether actually get pushed aside on Hyperliquid? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pump.fun rocketed to revenue, ran a blockbuster token sale, and then hit turbulence: rivals took share, the token slid, bots spammed launches, and critics cried “casino.” Now the team is fighting back with a dynamic creator-fee model, a liquidity foundation for cult communities, and an unapologetic push into live streaming and mobile. In this episode, co-founder Noah Tweedale lays out how Project Ascend aims to align creators and communities, why buybacks aren’t a long-term business model, what they’re doing about bots and user losses, and how Pump plans to compete not just with crypto apps, but with YouTube, Twitch, and TikTok. It’s a candid look at whether a crypto product can become a mainstream platform. Thank you to our sponsor ⁠Token2049⁠! Get 15% off with the code UNCHAINED Guest: Noah Tweedale, Co-founder of Pump.fun Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⚡ 2:09 Why the past few months have been so turbulent for Pump 💸 4:47 How the new dynamic fee model works for creators 🔍 9:40 How Pump’s discovery algorithm surfaces tokens ♻️ 10:45 Will Pump’s buybacks become programmatic? 🐶 15:33 Why LetsBonk was able to grab so much market share ⚔️ 18:20 Whether Noah sees Zora as a competitor 🌍 20:09 Why Noah wants to build a world-changing app, not chase small wins 👥 25:02 Whether Pump is prioritizing specific demographics 🔧 27:14 What the team is focused on improving in the app 🔗 30:32 How Pump is building interoperability with the broader crypto ecosystem 🤖 32:21 What the team is doing about bots launching tokens 💔 34:48 Whether they’re worried about so many users losing money 🛡️ 36:15 Why Noah doesn’t see apps like Zora or Believe as real competitors 📱 38:38 How mobile usage differs from desktop on Pump ⚖️ 40:03 How Pump approaches regulation and compliance 🎲 41:02 Why Noah insists Pump is not gambling, it’s trading 🎥 42:49 The strategies to compete with YouTube and Twitch 🌐 48:30 How Pump fits into a world with a widening wealth gap 🎰 53:29 How Noah responds to critics calling Pump a casino 🗺️ 57:56 Why Noah says roadmaps are a fallacy 🛠️ 59:41 Whether Pump will evolve into an “everything app” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The fight for Hyperliquid’s USDH stablecoin is more than a ticker battle—it’s a referendum on how crypto distribution, governance, and incentives will shape the next trillion-dollar market. In this episode of Bits + Bips, Steve Ehrlich sits down with Delta Blockchain Fund’s Kavita Gupta, Galaxy Digital’s Alex Thorn, and Frax founder Sam Kazemian to dig into the big questions: Who will win the USDH war, and why does distribution matter more than design? Are DATs fulfilling their promises—or raising money without accountability? Why are L2s the wrong place for tokenized stocks? And where exactly is the trillion-dollar opportunity in stablecoins? Sponsors: Xapo Walrus Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Kavita Gupta, Founder & Managing Partner of Delta Blockchain Fund Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy Digital Sam Kazemian, Founder of Frax Finance Links: Unchained: The Competition Is On. Who’ll Win the USDH Ticker on Hyperliquid? Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔥 4:17 The bidding war for Hyperliquid’s USDH 🗳️ 25:12 Whether the Hyperliquid DAO is truly decentralized ⚠️ 29:22 Are DATs already broken as a product? 🌶️ 35:00 How some DATs avoid fulfilling their promises after raising money 📈 40:27 Why yield-maximization is critical for DATs—and what risks it creates 💵 53:22 Where the trillion-dollar opportunity in stablecoins might actually be 🏛️ 55:35 Why tokenized stocks belong on L1s, not L2s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The battle for Hyperliquid’s USDH ticker is a referendum on what crypto wants to be: a community-first public good, or a globally scaled, institution-ready product. With the clock ticking toward the proposal and voting deadlines, Agora’s Nick van Eck and Paxos Labs’ Bhau Kotecha lay out their cases—100% revenue back to users vs. 95% with enterprise distribution, “Hyperliquid alignment” versus “bring it to the masses,” and what each would build on day one if they win. We also dig into liquidity, slippage claims, validator dynamics, and how a single ticker could shape the future of onchain markets. Thank you to our sponsors ⁠⁠Mantle⁠⁠! Guests: Nick van Eck, CEO and Co-founder of Agora Bhau Kotecha, Co-founder of Paxos Labs Links: Unchained: Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⏱️ 0:45 How Laura breaks down the background of the proposals 💵 2:12 Why the USDH ticker matters so much for Hyperliquid 🌊 4:04 Why Hyperliquid is an ecosystem “you need to be in” 📜 5:38 How Agora explains its proposal to return all revenue 🏦 10:08 How Paxos makes its case for enterprise distribution 🤝 14:03 Why “Hyperliquid alignment” is central to this debate 🎁 17:05 Why Agora says it’s willing to give back 100% of revenue—what’s in it for them 💸 19:26 Why Paxos is pushing for 95% revenue back instead of 100% 🚀 24:03 What each side would build on day one if they win ⚖️ 31:49 How to characterize the differences between the two proposals ❓ 34:11 What it would mean if neither Agora nor Paxos wins 📉 39:23 Whether Paxos’s PYUSD suffers from slippage and liquidity issues 🗳️ 42:08 What voters should really consider when choosing a proposal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pokémon cards are no longer just collectibles stuffed in a binder. They’re becoming liquid, tradable assets onchain. In this episode, Collector Crypt CEO Tuom Holmberg and Bitwise’s Danny Nelson explain how the project is reimagining the $100 billion trading card industry. From slashing eBay’s 13% fees to near-zero, to solving decades-old authentication problems with vaulting and NFTs, to launching a token that surged 700% in weeks, Collector Crypt is pushing trading cards into crypto rails. We also explore whether this is the start of a “Polymarket moment” for collectibles, how these cards could be used in DeFi, and if mainstream investors might soon allocate to Pokémon decks alongside BTC and ETH. Thank you to our sponsors! Re Walrus Guests: Danny Nelson, Research Analyst at Bitwise Asset Management ⁠Tuom Holmberg⁠, CEO of Collector Crypt Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🛒 2:35 Why eBay’s fees are so high and how Collector Crypt cuts them down 🎴 7:50 How a Pokémon card collector would actually trade onchain 🔒 9:40 What security measures protect vaulted cards 👤 11:13 How Tuom’s background led him to build Collector Crypt 📉 13:14 The highs and lows of launching the app over time ⚖️ 21:24 How the company navigates copyright issues with Pokémon 💰 23:05 Why the $CARDS token surged 700% in weeks 🏦 28:28 How Collector Crypt makes money ⚡ 29:43 Why the team chose to build on Solana 🌍 31:43 How big the trading card market could get onchain 🔮 35:03 What’s next in Collector Crypt’s roadmap 🔥 39:25 Why Danny Nelson calls this a “Polymarket moment” 🖼️ 41:31 What makes digital trading cards different from other tokenized assets 👀 45:06 Why Collector Crypt grabbed so much attention last week 📊 49:22 How traditional funds could start investing in trading cards 🌐 52:04 Whether trading cards are about to go mainstream 🔗 53:40 How Pokémon decks could even be used in DeFi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DATs aren’t done. They may just be getting started. In this episode, CoinFund’s Chris Perkins and Upexi’s Brian Rudick join Ram Ahluwalia and Steven Ehrlich to dissect why some DATs could outcompete ETFs for certain investors, the bullish accretion math behind premiums, and what makes a winning vehicle. We also dig into whether this is altcoin season or a head fake, why Galaxy’s tokenized-share move matters, and the one market unlock Perkins says could change everything. Use this episode to pressure-test your assumptions: are DATs “just banks,” or the best product-market-fit crypto has found for TradFi capital? Thank you to our sponsor ⁠Xapo Bank⁠! Xapo offers Bitcoin-backed loans of up to $1 million, so eligible members can access liquidity without selling their BTC. Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund Brian Rudick, Chief Strategy Officer at Upexi Links: DATs: How Crypto Treasury Companies Are Turning to DeFi and TradFi to Juice Yields How Michael Saylor Plans to Ensure Strategy Keeps Its Bitcoin Forever These 4 Crypto Treasury Companies Are Primed for a Price Crash Crypto Treasury Companies Are All the Rage. Could They Cause an Industry Collapse? Tokenization: Federal Reserve to hold conference discussing crypto stablecoins, tokenization, and AI GLXY tokenized stock Ondo Finance launched over 100 tokenized U.S. stocks and ETFs on Ethereum CZ-owned Trust Wallet launches tokenized stocks and ETFs Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⏱ 3:00 Are markets set for another September swoon? 📈 6:03 Why the bull case for DATs isn’t over 🏦 12:41 Why Brian says “DATs are banks” 💡 18:20 Are DATs better products than ETFs for investors? 🧮 21:00 How the math behind premiums shows DATs create value 🪙 28:01 Whether this is the time for altcoins to shine 🌍 35:10 Where macro is heading and what investors should watch 🚨 37:48 Why Galaxy’s tokenized-share move on Solana is such a big deal 🔑 49:25 What the key market unlock is for altcoins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin froth meets political theater. The team dissects World Liberty Financial’s explosive debut: a $22B token backed by the Trump family, a disputed Aave partnership, insider buybacks, and a “gold paper” instead of a whitepaper. We break down Justin Sun’s role, why critics call it crypto’s “garbage moat,” and how WLFi could become the Thanksgiving dinner debate of 2025. Plus: Gavin Newsom’s meme coin tease, GDP data going on-chain, and the CFTC reopening U.S. markets to global exchanges. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, the crew dives into the wild debut of World Liberty Financial — Trump’s $22B DeFi token that launched with a “gold paper,” insider allocations, and buybacks despite no product. We break down the Trump family’s $5B paper fortune, the disputed Aave deal, and whether WLFi is a serious stablecoin project or just another garbage fire in crypto’s moat. From Justin Sun’s backing to Thanksgiving dinner debates, we unpack what WLFi means for politics, memes, and markets. Then we zoom out to Gavin Newsom’s meme coin tease, the U.S. Commerce Department posting GDP on-chain, and fresh CFTC moves that could reshape crypto exchanges and ETFs. Show highlights 🔹 World Liberty Financial Launch — Debuted at $22B FDV, $6B circulating cap; price fell 34% on day one with $2.5B in trading volume. 🔹 Trump Family Windfall — 22% of WLFi supply + 75% of presale; $440M presale cash and $5.6B in token wealth now exceeds Trump’s real estate. 🔹 The “Gold Paper” — No whitepaper, but a gold paper signed by Trump’s sons; co-founder emeritus title given to Trump himself. 🔹 Aave Deal Denied — WLFi initially promised 7% supply + 20% fees to Aave; governance ratified, then team denied it ever happened. Snapshot vs. “fake news.” 🔹 Token Buybacks — Team began buying back WLFi with $3M despite no sustainable revenue streams; price rallied but raised doubts. 🔹 Justin Sun’s Role — Largest backer, holding >3% of circulating supply; reignites debate over credibility. 🔹 Fastest Growing Stablecoin Claim — USD1 touted as the fastest-growing stablecoin in history; critics call it unsustainable hype. 🔹 Speculative Mania — Hosts compare WLFi to Bored Apes: meme-driven, high valuation, little product substance. 🔹 Garbage in the Living Room — Haseeb: WLFi is “crypto’s garbage moat” breaking into mainstream consciousness. 🔹 Thanksgiving Talking Point — The coin destined to dominate family dinner debates, regardless of legitimacy. 🔹 Gavin’s Meme Coin Response — Newsom teases “Trump Corruption Coin”; Polymarket odds at 36%. Hosts doubt Democrats can meme. 🔹 GDP On-Chain — Dept. of Commerce posts GDP data on 9 blockchains via Chainlink; useful innovation or pointless theater? 🔹 CFTC Path for Foreign Exchanges — Revives FBO registration to re-open US markets to offshore exchanges; Binance/OKX implications. 🔹 ETFs vs. Spot on CME — New rules may allow CME/Nasdaq to sell spot crypto; could undercut ETFs. 🔹 The Everything App Debate — Coinbase, Robinhood, and brokerages converge on offering stocks + crypto. Hosts spar over whether ETFs belong on Coinbase. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 - Liberty Financials & The Chopping Block Intro 01:21 - World Liberty Financial 05:15 - Tokenomics, Buybacks, and WLFI Drama 08:54 - Memecoins, Bored Apes, and Speculation 11:42 - Memecoins vs. Real Products 19:07 - Gavin Newsom & Beyond 25:43 - GDP Prints Onchain & Blockchain Use Cases 35:06 - CFTC, Regulation, and Global Crypto Markets 42:15 - The Everything App: Crypto, Stocks, and the Future of Finance 51:28 - Security, Trust, and the Future of Financial Platforms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Behind some of the biggest token launches of the past year — from Trump’s $TRUMP coin to the recent Kanye West’s $YZY, to the collapse of $LIBRA and this week’s launch of $WLFI — the same insider names keep popping up. In this episode, Bubblemaps CEO Nicolas Vaiman explains how figures like Hayden Davis of Kelsier Ventures, celebrity promoter Sahil Arora, Naseem, and even Justin Sun have profited from chaotic launches. We dig into the mechanics of insider “snipes,” one-sided LPs that hide selling, and why celebrity and political tokens so often collapse right after launch. Finally, Nick asks: if “no one is coming to save us,” what real protections can the industry build? Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Re Guest: Nicolas Vaiman, CEO and co-founder of Bubblemaps Links: Previous coverage of Unchained on these token launches: Why Would Argentine President Javier Milei Protect Kelsier's Hayden Davis? How the Libra Scandal Exposed Memecoin Insider Trading on the World Stage Why Lyn Alden Isn't a Fan of Trump’s Memecoin Unchained: LIBRA Facilitator Sniped $12M of Kanye West’s YZY Token: Bubblemaps YZY Sniper Wallet Traced to LIBRA Scheme Kanye West’s YZY Token Launches With ‘Class Action Waiver’ Trump Family Grows $5 Billion Richer After WLFI Token Sale Circle Freezes $57M of USDC Linked to Libra Scandal Timestamps: ⏱ 0:00 Introduction 🔍 0:56 How Nick verified Trump’s memecoin was legit but Melania’s looked fishy, and how that led to Hayden Davis 🕵️ 8:00 What role Davis played in other shady memecoin launches 🎤 10:51 How Davis was tied to Kanye West’s $YZY token ⚡ 15:48 How sophisticated snipers find tokens onchain before everyone else ❓ 21:28 How Davis recovered frozen funds, and does this mean “crime is legal” in crypto? 👑 27:16 Why do celebrity memecoins almost always collapse 🎯 31:30 How are snipers plaguing the industry 😈 37:14 What tactics has Sahil Arora, the “crypto villain,” been accused of 🛠 40:51 How should the industry respond to these kinds of token launches 📈 46:07 How Justin Sun made a 10x on WLFI 👨‍💻 49:27 What’s Nick’s background and why he created Bubblemaps 🔮 53:32 How Bubblemaps plans to stand out from competitors Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Coinbase’s L2 Base is quickly becoming the most powerful distribution funnel in crypto — and two builders are betting everything on it. In this episode, Aerodrome’s Alex Cutler and Moonwell’s Luke Youngblood explain why they aligned early with Base, how Coinbase’s strategy could transform token launches by offering “one-click distribution” to 100M+ users, and why they believe Coinbase is set to become the world’s largest “crypto bank.” They also debate whether exchanges should decide which assets people can trade, how DeFi must evolve to reward token holders sustainably, and whether Uniswap’s push to keep liquidity fragmented is a moat or a weakness. Finally, they unpack the future of sequencing — and why Flashbots could deliver Solana-level speed while making trading fairer for everyone. Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus Guests: Alexander Cutler, Co-founder of Aerodrome Finance Luke Youngblood, founder of Moonwell Finance Links: Unchained: Companies Are Competing to Bring Crypto to the Masses. Who Is Best Positioned? Crypto Firms, Fintechs and Banks Hope to Dominate Stablecoins. Who Will Win? Moonwell stats Aerodrome stats Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 👥 2:56 Why Alex and Luke aligned early with Base, and how their backgrounds shapes that decision 📢 6:32 How Coinbase is positioning itself as the distribution partner of the onchain economy ⚖️ 21:12 Whether exchanges should be the ones deciding what assets people can trade 🌱 33:15 How DeFi needs to evolve to reward token holders sustainably and focus on long-term growth 💧 41:32 Whether liquidity fragmentation is actually a feature, not a bug, for Uniswap 💸 57:50 How Moonwell and Aerodrome justify issuing more incentives than they currently earn in revenue Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DAT mania meets market reality. Tom Lee becomes the face of ETH as BitMine amasses 1.5% of supply and mNAV premiums start to collapse. We break down Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, SharpLink’s buyback tactics, and the coming wave of DAT M&A. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in Europe using Arbitrum, the WFE fires a warning shot, and Stylus lets fintech devs go Rust-first onchain. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, Arbitrum’s AJ Warner (Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs) joins to unpack the rise (and potential fall) of Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs), as Tom Lee emerges as Ethereum’s public face and BitMine amasses 1.5% of ETH. We dive into the collapse of mNAV premiums, Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, and the looming consolidation of subscale DATs. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in the EU on Arbitrum, AJ shares the roadmap for Robinhood Chain, and we debate whether token wrappers, buybacks, and DAT M&A mark the next era of crypto capital markets. Show highlights 🔹 Tom Lee’s ETH Blitz – How BitMine amassed 1.5% of the ETH supply, why Tom Lee says ETH could flip BTC, and how he’s become the “face of Ethereum.” 🔹 mNAV Compression Across DATs – Big-name DATs (BitMine, MicroStrategy) hold premiums; smaller ones trend toward par or discounts. 🔹 Japan’s MetaPlanet Tax Arbitrage – Why MetaPlanet trades at 2.5–3× NAV: stock taxation loopholes vs. crypto income tax rates in Japan. 🔹 DAT Buybacks, Activism & M&A – SharpLink’s buyback plan, potential for hostile takeovers, and speculation around “DAT piracy.” 🔹 One-DAT-per-Alt Endgame – Why most new DATs are failing, the shift to consolidation, and why each token may only support one treasury long-term. 🔹 Staking ETFs vs DATs – DATs can stake nearly 100% of assets; ETFs are constrained by redemptions and liquidity windows. 🔹 Corporate Tax Drag & Onchain Yield – Trade-offs between tax efficiency and flexibility in corporate vs. ETF structures. 🔹 WFE vs. Tokenized Stocks – Global exchange lobby attacks third-party wrappers as misleading “tokenized stocks” lacking shareholder protections. 🔹 Robinhood’s Tokenized Stock Rollout – Launching in the EU under MiCA, built on Arbitrum One, with a full Robinhood Chain to follow. 🔹 Stylus & Arbitrum Stack Strategy – Why Rust/C/C++ compatibility on Arbitrum helped win the Robinhood deal; flexibility for fintech devs. 🔹 Hyperliquid’s Bridge to Arbitrum – $5B+ in assets sourced via Arbitrum; why Arbitrum’s partner-first posture beats chasing L3s. 🔹 DATs as the New CMOs – How charismatic leaders like Tom Lee and Saylor act as public-facing evangelists for their ecosystems. HOSTS: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest: ⭐️ A.J. Warner, Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs Links: Disclosures⁠ DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression on the Chopping Block https://youtu.be/rF8TGVWWRTU?list=PLySrw1Nvf-srh6ZnJ033Jb440VKUjVNgX&t=2249 Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:10 Ethereum's Market Performance 03:02 Tom Lee's Media Blitz 06:37 Digital Asset Treasuries in Crypto 08:47 Tax Arbitrage and Premiums in Different Markets 10:58 Challenges of Digital Asset Treasuries 16:20 Corporate Form vs. ETFs for Staking 19:25 The Role of Spokespersons in Digital Asset Treasuries 27:59 Equity Heavy Strategies and MicroStrategy's Leverage 29:10 Market Signals and Liquidity Challenges 31:29 Adversarial M&A and Stock Buybacks 33:57 WFE letter to SEC: attack on “tokenized stocks” 45:32 Robinhood & Arbitrum Partnership 53:51 Hyperliquid vs. Arbitrum's Ecosystem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Is crypto no longer moving in predictable four-year waves? From the rise of DATs and stablecoin-specific chains, to Hyperliquid challenging Binance itself, the industry is fracturing into segments with winners and losers. In this episode, Hack VC’s Peter Hans and DBA’s Jon Charbonneau debate whether Solana is next in line for a TradFi pump, why ETH suddenly flipped from dead to indispensable, and how onchain exchanges could finally free projects from Binance’s grip. Thank you to our sponsors! Re Mantle Guests: Peter Hans, Partner and Global Head of Business Development at Hack VC Jon Charbonneau, co-founder and general partner of DBA Links: Rob Hadick’s tweet on the DAT trend Vinny Lingham’s tweet on the locked SOL in DATs Unchained: Hyperliquid Surpasses Robinhood in Trading Volume for Three Months Straight Circle to Launch Layer 1 Blockchain ‘Arc’ Stripe Is Building Its Own Layer 1 Blockchain Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎯 2:44 Whether the DAT trend is peaking or just getting started 🧾 10:57 Whether SOL DATs include locked funds from the FTX estate 🙅‍♂️ 11:52 Why Jon hasn’t touched any of these products 📈 16:28 Why Peter still sees long-term value in these vehicles 🔥 20:24 Why ETH is suddenly hot in TradFi and how SOL could follow 🏦 28:49 What makes a stablecoin-specific chain attractive 😶‍🌫️ 32:42 How crypto overlooked privacy for far too long 🔗 38:48 What it’ll take for stablecoin chains to win the payments game ⚠️ 45:39 Whether stablechains could hurt Ethereum, Tron, or Solana 🔍 47:46 Which stablechain has the best shot at success 💸 52:07 Why Hyperliquid beat Robinhood in trading volume 🧨 56:00 How Hyperliquid could break Binance’s listing chokehold 🕵️‍♂️ 59:23 What makes anonymous, no-KYC products appealing 📉 1:01:30 Whether the 4-year crypto cycle is officially dead Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin froth meets real-asset rails. Vlad explains why Robinhood built an L2, how tokenized stocks—and even private shares like OpenAI/SpaceX—could trade on-chain, and what that means for accreditation, access, and the public/private wall. Plus: DATs, DTCC in a tokenized world, and AI that formally proves smart contracts. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, Robinhood co‑founder/CEO Vlad Tenev joins to explain Robinhood Chain, why they chose a Layer 2 over a Layer 1, and the plan to bring tokenized stocks — including private shares — on‑chain. We get into the OpenAI/SpaceX kerfuffle, accreditation rules, and whether permissionless tokenization erodes the public/private boundary. Then we zoom out to 24/7 trading, Digital Asset Treasuries, and how formal verification (Lean proofs) could make smart contracts safer. Show highlights 🔹 Robinhood Chain L2 vs. L1 – Why Vlad Tenev chose a Layer 2 over a Layer 1 for tokenized stocks and real-world assets. 🔹 Tokenized Stocks & Private Shares – How Robinhood could put U.S. equities and private company equity (OpenAI, SpaceX) on-chain via SPVs and secondaries. 🔹 OpenAI/SpaceX Tokenization Debate – Issuer consent vs. permissionless exposure: what the kerfuffle reveals about private markets on-chain. 🔹 Retail Access & Accreditation Reform – Moving from wealth-gated accreditation to disclosure + self-certification so more investors can participate. 🔹 Ex-US Rollout for Tokenized Equities – Stablecoin-style playbook with KYC/geofencing and permissionless assets where allowed. 🔹 24/7 Trading for Stocks – From 24/5 to 24/7 markets; what this means for DTCC, transfer agents, and market plumbing. 🔹 Wallet + Chain + Custody Stack – Vertical integration advantages: pricing, UX, and liquidity when Robinhood owns more of the rails. 🔹 Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) – Yield dynamics, mNAV compression, and how DATs stack up against staking ETFs. 🔹 Memecoins vs. Real Assets – “You can buy memes but not OpenAI” paradox and why investor-protection rules feel backward. 🔹 AI-Verified Smart Contracts – Lean proofs, formal verification, and reducing smart-contract risk beyond manual audits. 🔹 Harmonic’s “Aristotle” – Vlad’s AI hitting IMO gold-medal-level math performance and what that means for code safety. 🔹 Robinhood’s Next Decade – Retail super app → B2B/institutional rails and ex-US expansion for tokenized finance. Hosts: ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️ Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️ Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest: ⭐️ Vlad Tenev, CEO & Co-founder of Robinhood Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:52 L2 vs. L1 Trade-Offs 04:19 Tokenized Stocks on Robinhood Chain 07:56 Private Markets Onchain 16:10 Accreditation Reform & Compliance 21:47 24/7 Trading for Equities 31:05 Public vs. Private Boundary 32:59 Memecoin Paradox vs. Real-Asset Tokenization 35:27 Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) 37:50 Robinhood’s Business Mix 41:38 Retail to Institutions: Global Expansion 46:44 Harmonic AI & Lean Proofs 54:48 Safer Smart Contracts Beyond Manual Audits Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The drama is heating up in crypto M&A. LayerZero, the omnichain interoperability protocol, shocked the market with a $110 million bid to acquire Stargate DAO — the very bridge it originally launched. Then Wormhole jumped in, asking the DAO to pause the vote so it could make a counter-offer. This episode unpacks the first-ever so-called onchain bidding war: how to value DAOs like real businesses, why LayerZero and Wormhole are fighting over Stargate, and whether this deal marks the beginning of a consolidation wave across crypto. Guests David Nage of Arca and M&A advisor Lawson Bae of Relayzero break down the numbers, the strategy, and what this turning point means for the industry. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Sui Xapo Bank Guests: David Nage, VC Portfolio Manager at Arca Lawson Bae, Founder of Relayzero Links: Unchained: Wormhole Foundation to Counter LayerZero’s Bid for Stargate LayerZero Foundation Proposes $110 Million Stargate Acquisition, Retiring STG for ZRO Tokens Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🧱 2:57 Why LayerZero wants to buy Stargate, the bridge it launched 💸 8:36 Whether the $110 million offer from LayerZero was actually fair 🕵️‍♂️ 14:07 How Wormhole may be trying to make things difficult for its biggest rival 📊 16:35 Why David thinks the $110 million number can be justified 📈 21:07 How the number of daily active users factors into valuing crypto projects 🔢 27:07 What a “reasonable multiple” for Stargate could look like 🗳️ 30:34 How the Stargate DAO should approach this pivotal decision 🤝 34:49 Why this deal shows that crypto M&A is booming Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Crypto is moving past speculation — and into the battle for mass adoption. In this episode, Phantom CEO Brandon Millman and Pudgy Penguins CEO Luca Netz join Unchained to debate who will own the next hundred million users. Will it be product-led startups, Web2 giants like X and Meta, or crypto-native apps like Phantom? From payments to trading wars to the “everything app” dream, they unpack where the real value will accrue — and why the easy money era for entrepreneurs is over. Thank you to the sponsors who make this show possible! Re Mantle Guests: Brandon Millman, CEO and co-founder of Phantom Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚧 3:34 Why Brandon still thinks it’s a great time to build in crypto ⚡ 5:55 How Luca sees this moment as an “inflection point” for the industry 👥 9:36 What Brandon and Luca’s personal journeys reveal about building in Web3 🌍 18:07 Who’s best positioned to onboard the next wave of users into crypto 💸 25:05 How distribution is key and why Luca desperately wants to invest in Phantom 😀 💳 37:00 Who might win the payments race and what gives them the edge 📱 51:26 Whether Solana’s Seeker phone has any real shot at breaking through 🔗 58:32 How Robinhood might use Privy and Bridge to dominate the crypto stack ⚔️ 1:01:17 What the new crypto trading wars say about Robinhood, Coinbase, and Kraken 🤔 1:06:05 Whether Coinbase lacks a good product team 📲 1:10:36 Whether the “everything app” dream actually makes sense Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stablecoin-focused blockchains are popping up everywhere. Stripe, Circle, and more are betting they can dominate payments. But are these chains even needed? And will Ethereum ever be ready for real-world assets? Austin Campbell, NYU professor and founder of Zero Knowledge Consulting, joins Unchained to cut through the hype. From why “the market eventually eats you” to how consumers, not companies, could be the real winners, Campbell unpacks the competitive landscape and warns that the ultimate champion might be someone who isn’t even on the field today. Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus Xapo Bank Guest: Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Links: Unchained: Circle to Launch Layer 1 Blockchain ‘Arc’ Stripe Is Building Its Own Layer 1 Blockchain: Report Fortune: Top crypto VC Matt Huang to lead Stripe blockchain Tempo as CEO, stay at Paradigm Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💸 4:23 Whether the world really needs stablecoin-specific blockchains 🧪 9:45 How Stripe’s Tempo chain could gain an edge in the payments game 🌐 12:25 Why Circle’s Arc might struggle to stand out 🏆 15:19 Who could emerge as the winner of the stablecoin payments race 🗺️ 20:35 What the broader stablecoin chain landscape looks like right now 🏦 23:36 Whether crypto companies have a real shot at disrupting traditional finance 🙋‍ 27:51 Who could end up being the biggest winners 🧱 31:52 Why Ethereum may not be ready for the RWA moment 🔮 34:52 Who’s best positioned to capitalize on the next wave of blockchain-based payments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin season meets corporate blockchains as Circle and Stripe launch their own L1s, Monero suffers the biggest 51% attack in history (powered by an AI named “Garth”), and the crew debates whether the DAT boom is heading toward equilibrium or mania. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew dives into the surprising altcoin rally and asks whether ETH still counts as an alt. The big news: Circle unveils Arc, Stripe leaks Tempo — and crypto Twitter is not impressed. We explore why major fintechs are launching their own chains instead of using Ethereum L2s, and whether stablecoin-centric blockchains are the future or just profit grabs. Then: the wildest headline of the week — Monero gets hit with a 51% attack by Qubic, a project training an AI called “Garth,” in what might be the largest attack of its kind. We break down the game theory, the proof-of-work vs. proof-of-stake debate, and what this foreshadows for Bitcoin’s security decades from now. Also: Trump’s executive order opens the door for crypto in 401(k) plans, we speculate about a future GPU debt market crisis, and dissect the state of play in Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) — including whether yield advantages over staking ETFs mean we’re only halfway to mania. Show highlights 🔹 ETH vs. Alts – Is Ethereum still an altcoin, or has it graduated to “major” status? 🔹 Circle’s Arc & Stripe’s Tempo – Why are fintech giants launching their own L1s instead of using Ethereum L2s? 🔹 Crypto Twitter Backlash – The ethos clash between “public goods” culture and corporate profit motives. 🔹 Monero’s 51% Attack – Qubic’s AI Garth mines enough hash power to take over Monero as a “proof of concept.” 🔹 Game Theory & Chain Security – Why PoW is fun (and dangerous) to reason about, and how PoS differs. 🔹 Bitcoin’s Future Risk – How tail emissions (or lack thereof) could leave BTC open to similar attacks. 🔹 401(k) Goes Crypto – Trump’s executive order allows digital assets in retirement accounts. 🔹 GPU Debt Crisis Fanfic – Tarun’s prediction for a future financial meltdown. 🔹 DATs Debate – Are Digital Asset Treasuries sustainable, or primed for a spectacular unwind? 🔹 Yield Edge over ETFs – Why DATs may outperform staking ETFs in capturing on-chain yield. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Democratizing Access To Alternative Assets For 401(K) Investors https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/democratizing-access-to-alternative-assets-for-401k-investors/ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:01 Crypto Market Sentiments 02:29 Circle’s Arc & Stripe's Tempo 07:34 Corporate Chains vs. L2 Solutions 17:57 Monero's 51% Attack by Qubic 27:11 Real-World & Protocol Incentives 29:33 Monero's Tail Emission & Bitcoin's Future 34:39 Trump’s Executive Order: Crypto in 401(k)s 37:15 Next Financial Crisis? GPU Debt Crisis 41:15 DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ethereum’s rally has captivated the market, but is it really about the GENIUS Act and stablecoins, or just raw flows? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Alex Kruger, Ram Ahluwalia, Steven Ehrlich, and special guest Sid Powell of Maple Finance, dive deep into what’s driving ETH, the macro forces shaping crypto’s next leg up, and whether traders are completely wrong about the Fed’s next moves. From the potential flood of TradFi capital onto the blockchain, to the battle for stablecoin dominance, to whether Solana is about to get a major boost, the conversation dissects the signals in today’s market. Hosts: Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Sid Powell, CEO & Co-Founder of Maple Finance Links: Unchained: Custodia Patent for Bank Stablecoin Challenges Big Banks Entering the Field CBS News: CPI rose in July by 2.7% on an annual basis. Here's what that means. CNBC: Circle shares rise as second-quarter revenue jumps 53% on strong stablecoin growth Fed board contenders Miran, Bullard say Trump's tariffs are not causing inflation CoinDesk. ETH Transaction Volume C Much as $20limbs on Price Rally, Cheaper DeFi Costs Tom Lee's BitMine Immersion Aims to Raise asB for More ETH Buys Cointelegraph: SharpLink Gaming shares dip after $400M deal to boost Ether holdings Bloomberg: Godfather of the Mar-a-Lago Accord Goes to the Fed Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 2:52 Why ETH has been rallying so aggressively 💪 10:14 Why Alex says the ETH rally will continue 📉 12:53 How BitMine and SBET ended up with such wildly different mNAVs 🧾 14:07 How treasury companies are planning to deploy their crypto onchain 🏛️ 18:45 What TradFi institutions are looking for in Maple and other onchain finance apps 📊 28:07 What Alex is watching to signal the next breakout in crypto prices ⛏️ 32:57 Who really makes money during this new gold rush? 🔥 42:15 Why SOL could be on the verge of a big announcement 🧠 44:58 What Ethereum’s core purpose is in this new market cycle 🌍 47:34 How macro indicators are sending mixed signals 🤖 54:31 What the NVDA and AMD revenue shares with the U.S. government mean for the future of capitalism could mean for the broader market 🏆 58:13 Who stands to win big in crypto if the Fed cuts rates 💵 1:03:26 What Circle’s earnings reveal about its business model right now 🛡️ 1:04:33 Whether Custodia Bank’s patent could block big banks from launching stablecoins 📉 1:11:35 Why markets might be totally mispricing the Fed’s next moves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter In this episode of Unchained, Guy Young, founder of Ethena Labs, and Rob Hadick, general partner at Dragonfly, unpack the emerging wave of Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) and why altcoins may be the next to follow Bitcoin and Ethereum onto public markets. They explain why StablecoinX, a new infrastructure company within the Ethena ecosystem, is merging with a SPAC to go public on Nasdaq under the ticker “USDE,” anchoring its treasury with Ethena’s ENA token. With $360 million in backing from investors like Dragonfly, Ribbit, Galaxy, and Polychain, the deal is testing whether public equity markets are ready for altcoin-native treasuries. Guy and Rob also discuss why some crypto wrapper stocks are trading at massive premiums, how capital gets misallocated in crypto, and whether ETH staking rewards represent real yield or just inflation. They debate whether this trend is creating lasting infrastructure or just new packaging for old narratives. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Re Guests: Guy Young, founder of Ethena Labs Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🧠 3:29 Why Ethena worked with a team launching an ENA corporate treasury company 💰 10:38 Ways to structure public crypto treasury vehicles 🕵️‍♂️ 16:53 Whether treasury vehicles are just a flashy wrapper for vaporware 📉 22:28 Why Guy says there’s way more VC capital than good ideas in crypto right now 📈 31:20 How some DATs are trading at eye-popping premiums 🤔 37:15 Why Dragonfly backed TLGY but skipped other Bitcoin, ETH, or SOL plays 🏗️ 40:24 How the structure of these public vehicles shapes their value 🔄 47:39 What makes convertible debt different from SPACs or PIPEs 🧾 49:20 How investors should think about these new crypto treasury companies 📊 55:43 How Wall Street is being pitched on Ethena and USDE 💥 59:16 Whether this trend is legit or just another bubble waiting to pop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. With special guests: Avichal Garg, Managing Partner at Electric Capital, and Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation. This week we get into one of the most pivotal moments in Ethereum’s history — from the Tornado Cash verdict and its chilling implications for developers, to Wall Street’s growing embrace of ETH through the launch of ETHZilla. The crew unpacks how this trial could redefine developer liability, why Ethereum’s narrative is shifting toward institutional adoption, and what the next decade could look like for the world’s most versatile blockchain. Whether you’re here for the legal drama, the market moves, or the inside scoop from Ethereum’s top builders and investors, this episode delivers the sharp analysis, big-picture context, and unfiltered hot takes you’ve come to expect from The Chopping Block. Show highlights 🔹 Tornado Cash Verdict Breakdown – Haseeb explains the mixed outcome: a conviction on one count, hung jury on the most serious charges, and what it means for Roman Storm’s future. 🔹 Developer Liability in the Spotlight – Why the case sends a chilling signal to open-source and privacy protocol builders across the U.S. 🔹 Inside the Appeal Strategy – How contradictions between DOJ arguments and FinCEN guidance could shape Roman’s path forward. 🔹 Avichal’s Optimistic Take – Why he believes the American legal and political system will ultimately land on the right side of crypto innovation. 🔹 Historical Parallels – Comparing today’s battles over smart contracts and AI to the legal fights over corporations and cryptography in centuries past. 🔹 ETHZilla Unveiled – Avichal introduces Electric Capital’s new Ethereum treasury vehicle, how it’s designed to work, and its potential impact on DeFi. 🔹 Wall Street Meets Ethereum – The crew explores how institutional capital could become a massive “supply sink” for ETH. 🔹 Potential Shakeouts Ahead – Why some public ETH vehicles may face activist investor pressure, M&A, or liquidation if they stay subscale. 🔹 Ethereum Foundation’s Vibe Shift – Tomasz shares how the EF is engaging more openly with the community, leaning into finance, and guiding ecosystem coordination. 🔹 Ethereum’s Resurgence – From legal fights to market dominance, why ETH feels unstoppable heading into its next decade. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guests ⭐️ Avichal Garg, Managing Partner at Electric Capital ⭐️ Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation ⁠Disclosures⁠ Links Beyond Stablecoins: The Case for Ethereum by Maria Shen and Sanjay Shah (Electric Capital) https://electriccapital.substack.com/p/beyond-stablecoins-the-case-for-ethereum Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:36 Tornado Cash Trial Verdict 06:16 Legal and Industry Reactions 09:25 Future of Crypto Legislation 21:13 Smart Contracts & AI Legislation 27:58 Introduction to ETHZilla 31:47 Community-Oriented Ethereum Initiatives 32:38 Wall Street Money in DeFi 35:08 Activist Investors & Market Dynamics 39:25 TradFi vs. DeFi 44:12 Ethereum Foundation's Cultural Shift 54:13 The Role of Ethereum Foundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Solana Mobile’s Emmett Hollyer joins to talk about the Seeker phone, and former prosecutor Sam Enzer breaks down the partial Roman Storm conviction. This week’s episode features two big stories. 📱 First, Solana Mobile has begun shipping the Seeker, its second-generation crypto smartphone. Emmett Hollyer, GM of Solana Mobile, joins to explain: What’s new in the Seeker and how it compares to the Saga Why he says it’s the most secure phone for crypto How Seed Vault, Seeker ID, and the SKR token could reshape crypto identity, incentives, and adoption ⚖️ Then, we unpack the Roman Storm verdict. The Tornado Cash co-founder was found guilty on just one of three charges. Former prosecutor Sam Enzer explains: Why the outcome is seen as a partial win for crypto Why Storm has strong grounds to fight the verdict What this means for developers building privacy tools and open-source software And whether the remaining conviction might be overturned Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus Xapo Bank Focal by FalconX Guests: Emmett Hollyer, General Manager of Solana Mobile Sam Enzer, partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel Links: Solana Begins Shipping Seeker Phone Tornado Cash Co-founder Roman Storm Found Guilty on One Count Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter Last week’s macroeconomic data came with a twist: a massive job downward revision from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But is it a recession signal, or just statistical noise? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Ben Werkman, chief investment officer at Swan Bitcoin, joins hosts Ram Ahluwalia, Noelle Acheson, and Steve Ehrlich to examine why markets shrugged off the data, and what it means for crypto. The panel also discusses: Whether markets are mispricing macro risk How Strategy’s latest capital raise may reflect rising treasury company risk The future of tokenized equity and how Coinbase could unlock private market value New regulatory signals suggesting the U.S. may allow banks to hold crypto The rise of “super apps” blending payments, trading, and custody Thank you to our sponsor! Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Ben Werkman, Chief Investment Officer at Swan Bitcoin Links: Macro BLS Drama CNN: Trump says the Bureau of Labor Statistics orchestrated a ‘scam.’ Here’s how the jobs report really works NYT: Big Downward Jobs Revisions Could Be a Warning Sign for the Economy CNBC: 'The revisions are hard evidence': White House struggles to justify firing of BLS chief over weak jobs numbers Trump fires commissioner of labor statistics after weaker-than-expected jobs figures slam markets PCE Reuters: US inflation warms up in June as tariffs boost some goods prices Tariffs NYT: Trump’s Tariffs Are Making Money. That May Make Them Hard to Quit. FT: Donald Trump to raise tariffs on India over Russian oil purchases CNBC: EU will delay planned U.S. tariffs for six months to allow for trade talks Crypto earnings season Coverage of $COIN and $MSRT on Bits + Bips: Strategy Had a Massive Quarter: Impressive Numbers, But Are They Sustainable? Coinbase Missed Earnings, But the Bull Case Is Still Intact, Analyst Says Unchained articles: Coinbase Veered From Its Neutral Stance With Base. Could That Bet Go Wrong? How Michael Saylor Plans to Ensure Strategy Keeps Its Bitcoin Forever Coinbase Expands Into Tokenized Stocks and Prediction Markets How Robinhood's New Crypto Strategy Could Help Its TradFi Ambitions Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📉 4:25 Why Noelle thinks we’re looking at the job numbers all wrong 🍔 16:23 Whether the BLS revision is actually a nothing burger 🧊 19:33 How investors are managing to shrug off all the macro noise 🏢 32:37 What surprised Ben about corporate bitcoin adoption and how earnings are shifting the narrative 💰 37:57 Why Strategy is raising capital at sky-high premiums 📊 44:40 How Robinhood and Coinbase stack up by the numbers 📜 51:11 What new signals reveal about the U.S. rewriting financial rules 📱 57:43 How “super apps” are changing the game for crypto and TradFi 📈 1:05:18 Where the panel sees markets heading next 🏛️ 1:13:17 What it might take for governments to start holding crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Has the Fed entered a new era? In this episode of Unchained, macro strategist Jim Bianco of Bianco Research lays out why the current economic cycle is fundamentally different from what came before. He explains the implications of sticky inflation, why 0% interest rates and money printing may be relics of the past, and how the COVID-era economy created lasting structural shifts. Bianco also gives his candid take on how retail investors have changed markets, why the payments system is still stuck in the 1950s, and how stablecoins and tokenized assets could fix that—if regulators allow it. He breaks down the threats facing major players like Coinbase and Robinhood, and shares a bold theory on what really happened during the GameStop short squeeze. Bianco also assesses what could happen if the Fed is politicized — and whether Chair Powell is likely to be replaced. Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Ledn Mantle Guest: Jim Bianco, President and Macro Strategist at Bianco Research, L.L.C. Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📉 3:36 Why Jim called the latest economic revisions “extraordinary” 🔥11:56 Whether we’ve entered a post-COVID “new normal” of sticky inflation 👔 18:14 Could Trump really fire Powell — and what would that mean for the Fed? 📉 23:36 What happens to markets if Trump pushes through aggressive rate cuts 🛍️ 29:45 How retail investors flipped the power dynamic on Wall Street 💳 26:04 Why Jim says outdated payment rails are holding back stablecoins 🧩 46:17 Jim’s bold theory on how the GameStop halt was really about saving Schwab 🚫 50:12 Why he’s skeptical of the SEC’s “Project Crypto” ⚔️ 57:17 Why Coinbase and Robinhood are bracing for a new wave of challengers ⚠️ 59:28 What could happen to crypto treasury companies in a bear market 🏛️1:01:43 What’s still broken in tokenized stocks — and how to fix it Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, things get personal as Haseeb and Tom break their silence on the DOJ’s shocking threat to criminally charge Dragonfly over its early investment in Tornado Cash. With Roman Storm’s trial nearing its conclusion, the crew unpacks the unprecedented legal risks facing developers, investors, and privacy protocols and what it means for the future of crypto in the U.S. As Ethereum celebrates its 10th anniversary, a storm brews in court: Samourai Wallet founders plead guilty, the DOJ backpedals on Dragonfly, and Roman Storm faces decades behind bars for writing code. Robert recounts his short-lived microcap M&A adventure (aka the Liquor Store Fiasco), and the gang reacts to a dramatic regulatory about-face from the SEC’s new crypto-friendly regime. Is financial privacy now a crime? Will U.S. law catch up with crypto code? And what happens when TradFi tries to CT a public company? This episode hits hard — and nothing is off limits. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights 🔹 Dragonfly Named in Court – Haseeb and Tom break their silence after the DOJ threatens criminal charges over Dragonfly’s Tornado Cash investment. 🔹 Roman Storm on Trial – The Tornado Cash co-founder faces up to 45 years as the government tests the limits of crypto developer liability. 🔹 DOJ Walks It Back – After a media firestorm, prosecutors publicly reverse course and say Dragonfly is not a target. 🔹 Samourai Wallet Pleads Guilty – Another privacy project folds under pressure — and possibly to bolster the Tornado Cash case. 🔹 Privacy Protocols Under Siege – The crew asks: Is building immutable software now a criminal act in the U.S.? 🔹 Tarun Breaks Down Autonomous Code – Why the government’s case against smart contracts reveals a deep misunderstanding of how DeFi works. 🔹 Robert’s Liquor Store Saga – CT’s favorite meme investor explains how he tried to take over a public company… and got mega-diluted. 🔹 SEC’s Project Crypto Leaks – Paul Atkins lays out a sweeping vision for crypto-friendly regulation and software protections. 🔹 Crypto’s Legal Future Hangs in the Balance – From subpoenas to policy pivots, this episode explores what’s next for developers, investors, and privacy itself. Hosts: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly ⁠Disclosures⁠ Links: American Leadership in the Digital Finance Revolution, by Paul S. Atkins, SEC Chairman https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/atkins-digital-finance-revolution-073125 Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:58 Background on Tornado Cash 03:50 Legal Challenges & Sanctions 06:36 DOJ's Actions & Dragonfly's Response 11:25 Implications for Privacy & Crypto 27:06 Samourai Case & Broader Implications 33:37 Robert's Liquor Store Saga 37:17 LQR House Challenges & Legal Issues 46:05 Lessons Learned from the LQR House 50:01 SEC's New Crypto Policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Strategy posted a record $10 billion in net income. Coinbase missed estimates and stock dropped. But analysts say both tell a deeper story about how crypto companies are adapting. It’s earnings season in crypto—and the stories couldn’t be more different. Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy) just posted $10 billion in net income, boosted by Bitcoin’s price and new fair value accounting rules. But can the company keep this up? Coinbase missed Q2 estimates, sending its stock down. Yet Owen Lau of Oppenheimer says the long-term setup may be more bullish than the market thinks. In this double interview, Unchained’s Steven Ehrlich sits down with: Lance Vitanza from TD Cowen to break down Strategy’s accounting shift, capital markets evolution, and whether its growing BTC pile presents systemic risks Owen Lau from Oppenheimer to unpack Coinbase’s earnings miss, how new bank partnerships may remake it as a TradFi infrastructure provider, and why Q3 may tell a different story Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle FalconX Guests: Lance Vitanza, Lance Vitanza, Managing Director & Director of Equity Research at TD Cowen Owen Lau, Executive Director and Senior Analyst in the equity research department of Oppenheimer & Co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ethereum just turned 10, and Stani Kulechov, founder of Aave, one of the earliest and most influential lending protocols in DeFi, is more bullish on the OG layer 1 blockchain than ever. In this wide-ranging interview, he reflects on Ethereum’s resilience, explains why Aave is still laser-focused on it despite the rise of competitors like Solana, and gives us a preview of Aave V4 and its institutional play, Horizon. If you want to understand where DeFi is going, you’ll want to hear what Stani has to say. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Focal by FalconX Xapo Bank Guest: Stani Kulechov, founder and CEO of Aave and ETHLend Links: Recent episode of Unchained with EF’s co-ED Tomasz: As Ethereum Turns 10, Where Is the Foundation Focused Next? Unchained: Aave Labs Unveils V4 Upgrade Proposal, Introducing a Unified Liquidity Layer and 'Fuzzy' Rates DefiLlama: Aave stats Reuters: JPMorgan considers offering loans backed by clients' cryptocurrency holdings Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎉 4:58 What Ethereum’s 10-year milestone means to Stani 🏗️ 9:09 How Aave became the top lending protocol on Ethereum 🧐 13:02 Why Stani has been critical of the Ethereum Foundation 🏦 17:16 How TradFi institutions could quietly run on Aave infrastructure 💸 25:08 What Stani thinks about the complaints over Ethereum revenues and fees 🌉 30:27 Why Aave hasn’t launched on Solana 💼 35:32 How Ethereum treasury companies are putting Aave to work 🔧 41:15 What Aave V4 is bringing to the protocol and why it matters 🌍 48:18 How Horizon could bridge DeFi and real-world assets 🤝 50:43 Why DeFi might thrive even as TradFi and fintech move onchain 🗳️ 57:57 Whether DAO governance is fundamentally flawed Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter Ethereum turned 10 on Wednesday, capping off a decade of trials and travails — but also triumphs. After years of being the heart of crypto’s onchain economy, Ethereum stalled last year, losing mindshare and market share to Bitcoin and Solana. During that time, some long-time supporters publicly aired frustrations with the Ethereum Foundation. Now, there’s a palpable shift in energy. In this episode, Tomasz Stanczak, the co-executive director of the Ethereum Foundation, reflects on the 10-year anniversary and talks about what’s ahead. From internal strategy overhauls to his plans to tackle Ethereum’s UX and developer experience, Tomasz shares how the Foundation is trying to re-center Ethereum — and why he’s betting on it for the next decade. He also lays out what he calls a “secondary roadmap,” including bold ambitions like building Ethereum into a platform for AI, machines, and even a new kind of open-source society. Thank you to our sponsors! Ledn Mantle Guest: Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation and Founder of Nethermind Links: Unchained: Ethereum Turns 10 Years Old Tomasz’s tweet about the roadmap Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎉 7:46 How Tomasz is reflecting on Ethereum’s 10th birthday and its recent struggles 🧠 10:41 What Ethereum means to Tomasz and how he explains it to the normies 🏗️ 17:28 Why the Ethereum Foundation plays a different kind of role in crypto development 👔 22:59 How Tomasz ended up as co-executive director of the EF 🗣️ 27:25 What he learned from hundreds of conversations about how Ethereum could improve 🎯 29:47 Why the Foundation is now focused on three core goals 💼 36:34 How and why the EF is also embracing business development 🪙 42:40 Why Tomasz wants people minting directly on Ethereum Layer 1 📣 46:14 How the Foundation’s communication strategy has changed and why it matters 📉 52:48 Why the EF isn’t focused on ETH’s price—at least not directly 🧾 57:50 Whether the Foundation is worried about Ether’s shifting asset narrative 🔗 1:03:34 How the EF is working to fix interoperability issues within Ethereum 🏦 1:05:59 Why the Foundation sold ETH to SBET and how its treasury strategy is evolving 🏛️ 1:14:09 How Ethereum became the chain of choice for institutions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What’s fueling crypto’s market surge? This week on Bits + Bips, Ethereum’s rally has reignited market energy, triggering fresh questions about the return of alt season, and whether Bitcoin’s dominance will continue to fall. With special guests Katalin Tischhauser from Sygnum Bank and Wintermute’s Jake Ostrovskis, we dive deep into how corporate treasuries, tokenized assets, and shifting ETF flows are reshaping crypto’s microstructure. Plus, we dissect the macro impact of rising tariffs, the Fed’s delicate dance with Trump, and whether tokenization could breathe new life into the US dollar. Check out the sponsors who make this show possible! Bitwise Mantle Hosts: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guests: Katalin Tischhauser, Head of Research at Sygnum Bank Jake Ostrovskis, Head of Sales Trading (OTC) at Wintermute Links Markets: Unchained: Spot Ether ETFs Extend 16-Day Inflow Streak With $453 Million DATs: Cointelegraph: Tron Inc. seeks $1B to grow TRX holdings as stock rallies CoinDesk: Crypto Treasury Fever Spreads to Ethena as $360M SPAC Deal Targets ENA Accumulation CEA Industries Inc. Press Release: CEA Industries and 10X Capital, with the support of YZi Labs, announce $500 Million Private Placement to Establish Largest Publicly-Listed $BNB Treasury Company in the World The Block: Specialty finance company Mill City announces $450 million offering to establish corporate Sui treasury Barron's: MicroStrategy to Offer Preferred Stock With a Twist That Could Yield 10% Trump and Powell Fortune: Jerome Powell had a surprise visit from Trump. He's poised to leave interest rates unchanged anyway CNBC: Trump spars with Powell over renovation costs during Fed visit, but backs off firing threats Timestamps: 🎬0:00 Intro 🔥 6:03 Why ETH’s comeback is reigniting crypto markets 🧠 11:23 Why Ram says “animal spirits are back” 💸 15:06 When tariffs could finally start pushing prices higher 📉 18:06 Whether BTC dominance is fading—and if alt season is finally here 🏭 22:27 How tariffs are already hurting some businesses ⚖️ 27:49 Whether Strategy’s new preferred share class adds risky complexity 🏚️ 32:32 Why many new treasury-backed projects might not survive 📊 38:29 Whether these digital asset treasuries (DATs) are trading at unsustainable premiums 🔮 51:28 What the real endgame is for all these DATs ⚔️ 59:00 How the Powell-Trump tension could shake up markets 🔗 1:12:44 Why tokenization is gaining momentum across finance 📈 1:18:55 Whether stablecoins could revive global demand for the US dollar Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pump raised $600 million in 12 minutes. Then the token crashed… and sentiment with it. In this episode, Delphi’s Yan Liberman, Jason Pagoulatos, and Simon Smockey unpack what really happened, from the lack of investor lockups to the underwhelming post-ICO communication, and what Pump must do now to win back the market. We also get into whether the “everything app” strategy still makes sense, what decentralization means after this cycle, and what tokens can learn from equity markets. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Xapo Bank Focal by FalconX Guests: Simon Smockey, Researcher at Delphi Digital Yan Liberman, Co-Founder of Delphi Digital and Managing Partner of Delphi Ventures Jason Pagoulatos, Head of Markets at Delphi Previous coverage on the ICO: Pump.fun Just Raised $600M. What Does This Mean for DeFi, Solana & Social Media? Pump.fun’s $1 Billion ICO Has Caused Controversy. Can It Succeed? Unchained: Pump.fun Becomes Third Largest ICO, Raises $600M in 12 Minutes PUMP Traders Make Big Options Bets on the Token Surging Past Its ICO Price Pump.fun Draws Backlash After Confirming PUMP ICO TG Podcast: Alon: Raising $1B, $PUMP Token, Airdrop, and More Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💥 2:53 How Pump’s months-long hype set the stage, and why it may have backfired 🔓 11:07 Whether the lack of investor lockups hurt confidence in the token 😬 17:13 Why Jason found Alon’s post-ICO interview with Threadguy underwhelming 📉 22:52 Why Yan still sees strong risk-reward in PUMP despite the crash 🔥 24:29 What Pumpfun can do now to reignite interest and rebuild momentum 💸 34:19 Whether buybacks or business reinvestment is the better path forward 📱 36:37 How realistic the “everything app” vision is, and whether M&As can save it 🌍 47:16 What strategies could finally bring normies onchain 🧵 53:22 Whether the PUMP launch proves that decentralization is dead Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Rebecca Rettig, Chief Legal Officer at Jito Labs, to unpack the biggest legislative week in crypto history. The Clarity Act, Genius Act, and Anti-CBDC Act all pass Congress, ushering in what some are calling a regulatory renaissance — or at least, the first real rules of the road. Bitcoin breaks $120K, memecoins rip, and Crypto Week sends shockwaves through Washington. But is the Clarity Act really the win the industry’s been waiting for? Rebecca breaks down the legal nuance, Tarun questions the economic reality, and Haseeb points out Ethereum’s bizarre silence during the biggest policy shift of the decade. Has crypto finally grown up — or just gotten better at playing the game? The gang dissects the laws, the loopholes, and the market’s reaction to it all. Show highlights 🔹 Clarity Act Passes the House – Landmark crypto bill advances with bipartisan support, aiming to limit SEC power and define digital asset classifications. 🔹 Stablecoins Get a Path Forward – The Genius Act passes alongside Clarity, offering long-awaited regulatory rails for U.S. stablecoin issuers. 🔹 Congress Goes Full Crypto – Three major bills pass the House in one week, marking a historic show of political support for the industry. 🔹 Rebecca Rettig Returns – Jito Labs Chief Legal Officer breaks down what the legislation really means — and what still isn’t clear. 🔹 SEC in the Hot Seat – With CFTC gaining ground, the SEC’s regulatory grip is questioned across policy circles and crypto Twitter. 🔹 Bitcoin Breaks $120K – Markets rally on regulatory momentum and renewed optimism, with BTC setting a new local high. 🔹 Altcoins Catch Fire – SOL, PENGU, and meme tokens explode as traders rotate into risk-on narratives post-legislation. 🔹 Ethereum’s Silence Raises Eyebrows – Despite being at the heart of stablecoin infrastructure, Ethereum’s core voices stay unusually quiet. 🔹 DeFi’s Legal Gray Zone Remains – Tarun argues the bills may shift political winds, but don’t resolve the underlying protocol risk or enforcement ambiguity. 🔹 Crypto Week Becomes a Real Thing – What started as a Trump slogan turns into one of the most consequential weeks in U.S. crypto history. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ Rebecca Rettig, Jurisprudential Genius at Jito Labs Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:06 The Genius Act 04:38 Tech Companies & Stablecoins 08:38 Predictions for the Future of Stablecoins 26:25 The Clarity Act Breakdown 32:27 Important Definitions 34:38 New Exemptions for Token Sales 41:12 Mature Blockchain Certification Process 45:27 Defi Activity Exemptions & Regulations 48:03 New Categories for Spot Crypto Registrants 55:52 Solana's Block Assembly Marketplace (BAM) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Last week, the U.S. passed its first major piece of crypto legislation. Stablecoins now have a legal home, and that could open the floodgates for adoption, disruption, and regulation. But is this just the beginning? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Ram Ahluwalia, Noelle Acheson, Steve Ehrlich, and guest Cosmo Jiang of Pantera dive into what the stablecoin law actually means, who it helps, who it threatens, and why Wall Street and crypto startups alike are positioning fast. They also cover Ethereum’s rally, what’s fueling it, and whether the boom in digital asset treasury companies is sustainable. Plus, they unpack Trump’s latest threats against the Fed and what it means for markets, inflation, and interest rates. Sponsors: Bitwise Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Cosmo Jiang, General Partner and Portfolio Manager for Liquid Strategies at Pantera Capital Links Stablecoins Unchained: GENIUS Act Passes: Who Are the Winners, Losers, and What Comes Next? House Passes Landmark Crypto Legislation: GENIUS Act and Digital Asset Bills Trump to Unblock Crypto Access in America’s $9 Trillion 401(k) Market: Report The Block: GENIUS Act is helping Ethereum ‘have its moment,’ Bernstein says WSJ: Why Banks Are on High Alert About Stablecoins Digital Asset Treasuries WSJ: Blank-Check Company Strikes Cryptocurrency Deal Unchained: SBET to Raise Additional $5B to Grow ETH Position Bloomberg: Trump Media Buys $2 Billion in Bitcoin for Crypto Treasury Plan CoinDesk: DeFi Development Nears $200M Solana Treasury DeFi Dev Corp Press release: DeFi Dev Corp. Announces Global Expansion Through Strategic Treasury Franchising Model TLGY Acquisition Corp Press release: TLGY Acquisition Corp. Announces Business Combination and Approximately $360 Million PIPE Financing to Form StablecoinX, an Ethena Stablecoin-Focused Treasury Company The Block: Nasdaq-listed Sonnet BioTherapeutics agrees to $888 million merger to become Hyperliquid Strategies, launch HYPE treasury Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 3:01 Why Noelle believes the stablecoin law is just the beginning 😒 5:25 How Ram explains his disappointment with the market’s reaction 💳 11:31 Whether Visa and Mastercard survive the stablecoin disruption 🏆 17:00 Who stands to gain the most from the new stablecoin law 🏦 20:08 How tokenization could hurt investment banking 📉 22:26 Whether regional banks are on the brink 📈 27:42 What’s fueling ETH’s latest rally 🧠 31:08 Why Cosmo credits the Ethereum Foundation’s leadership for the momentum 💥 36:14 Where markets are heading as retail FOMO ramps up 💼 37:56 How Cosmo is evaluating the surge in digital asset treasury companies 🥱 43:52 Why Ram is spotting signs of market fatigue 📊 45:15 Whether upcoming crypto IPOs can match early successes 💸 47:21 Why VC activity is still lagging despite bullish narratives 🧨 51:03 How Trump’s threat to fire Powell is shaking macro sentiment 🧃 58:08 Everyone’s unexpected or contrarian take this week Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bitcoin is up over 25% year-to-date, but what if this is still the beginning? Udi Wertheimer joins the show to share a thesis that’s grabbing attention across crypto: that we’re entering a generational Bitcoin rotation, where old holders are out, new institutional buyers are in, and price targets like $400K may arrive faster than anyone expects. He explains why the emergence of “forced buyers” like Michael Saylor’s Strategy changes everything, why he thinks the altcoin cycle is already lost, and how the biggest mistake Crypto Twitter is making today is thinking this is the top. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank Ledn Mantle Udi Wertheimer, long‑time Bitcoin advocate and customer support intern at Taproot Wizards Udi’s article: This Bitcoin Thesis Will Retire Your Bloodline Unchained: Bitcoin Sets New All-Time High, But Eyes Even Bigger Gains Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🐶 5:19 How Dogecoin’s 2021 run mirrors what could happen with Bitcoin today 🧠 21:31 Why Udi says most people misunderstood the rise of DATs 📈 30:38 Where bitcoin could be headed next, and how fast it might reach $400K 🏦 33:49 What makes this new wave of BTC buyers so different ⚠️ 39:52 Whether bitcoin-holding companies pose hidden risks 🪦 45:06 Why Udi believes altcoins, including ETH, may be finished this cycle ⏳ 51:50 Why Udi thinks Bitcoin’s next runup is “imminent” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After years of hostility toward crypto, the U.S. passed its first-ever federal law regarding the industry. The GENIUS Act, stablecoin legislation backed by both parties, was signed by President Trump’s desk after a last-minute showdown in Congress. Despite being seen as a sure thing, the bill’s path turned turbulent this week, with objections from Democrats over Trump’s crypto ties, and a sudden revolt from the Freedom Caucus around anti-CBDC language. Now that it’s through, what will this law actually do? And who stands to benefit—or lose? In this episode, Dante Disparte, Circle’s chief strategy officer and one of the key players behind the legislation, joins Unchained to explain: How the bill won bipartisan support despite political tensions Why banks may think twice before issuing stablecoins And why Circle is applying for a national trust bank charter Plus, the battle over interest-bearing stablecoins, how this bill fits into the broader financial regulatory landscape, and whether U.S. consumers and the dollar come out ahead. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank FalconX Dante Disparte, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Global Policy and Operations at Circle Unchained: GENIUS Act Passes: Who Are the Winners, Losers, and What Comes Next? ​​House Passes Landmark Crypto Legislation: GENIUS Act and Digital Asset Bills Circle Seeks U.S. Banking License to Directly Custody Billions in USDC Reserves Fortune: JPMorgan Chase’s new fees for data could ‘cripple’ crypto and fintech startups, executives warn Reuters: Some big US banks plan to launch stablecoins, expecting crypto-friendly regulations Timestamps: 🎬0:00 Intro 🇺🇸 2:23 Why Dante says this “crypto week” went better than anyone expected 🤝 3:44 How the GENIUS Act won bipartisan support despite major political friction 📜 6:10 Why Dante believes the bill is bigger than just crypto 🏦 9:02 How Circle plans to compete with the banking giants 🪪 15:22 What Circle hopes to achieve with its national trust bank application 🔐 18:28 Why financial privacy matters so much in the U.S. system 💵 19:34 How deposit tokens differ from stablecoins 📈 22:34 What Circle might do when interest-bearing stablecoins are finally allowed 👛 27:43 How this new law could impact everyday Americans and their money Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew breaks down the return of the ICO — but with a twist. Pump.fun’s $500 million token sale sells out in 12 minutes, sparking a heated debate about forward markets, new market structure design, and whether we’ve entered a smarter, more institutionalized fundraising era—or just rebranded 2017 chaos. Hyperliquid becomes the surprise king of pre-launch liquidity, exchanges buckle under demand, and a new class of crypto treasury vehicles raises eyebrows (and capital). Meanwhile, Trump declares “Crypto Week” as Congress moves forward with the most sweeping legislation the industry’s seen in years. Is crypto finally growing up—or just getting better at dumping on retail? The gang dissects the narratives, the numbers, and the fallout. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights 🔹 Pump.fun’s ICO Raises $500M in 12 Minutes – The largest token sale in recent memory, with 25,000+ KYC’d participants and CEX/DEX syndication. 🔹 Forward Markets & Hedging Games – Kraken and Bybit face issues as sophisticated traders attempt to arb between ICO allocations and perps. 🔹 New Market Design – Pump introduces a novel multi-venue, API-synced launch structure; future ICOs may follow suit. 🔹 CT Has Negative Alpha – Crypto Twitter sentiment was wildly bearish… right before the most oversubscribed sale in years. 🔹 Hyperliquid Hits $11.5B OI – Becomes the dominant venue for pump trading, eclipsing even CEXs; pre-launch volume milestone. 🔹 Treasury Vehicle Controversy – $888M raised for hype via a new structure; Tarun questions whether it’s a liquidity gateway or retail dump machine. 🔹 Trump Declares Crypto Week – Genius Act (stablecoins), Clarity Act (market structure), and Anti-CBDC Act all hit the House floor. 🔹 Polymarket Vindicated – DOJ and CFTC drop their probe into Shane Coplan’s prediction market platform. 🔹 Altcoin Momentum Returns – $PENGU +270%, $SUI +60%, $UNI +43%; narrative shifts from “revenue meta” to “meme meta.” 🔹 Solana vs. Hyperliquid – Hype replaces SOL as the go-to high-beta asset? The team debates competing ecosystems. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:18 Pump ICO Breakdown 06:54 Pump's Unique Market Design 10:57 Future of ICOs and Market Trends 21:36 Hyperliquid's Role in Pump Launch 32:26 Crypto Week and Legislative Updates 41:23 Polymarket Investigation Dropped 47:29 Altcoin Rally and Market Sentiment Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bitcoin broke its all-time high. Meanwhile, stablecoin legislation is about to pass. And the macro picture is a powder keg. In this episode of Bits + Bips, Steve Ehrlich, Ram Ahluwalia, and Noelle Acheson are joined by Austin Campbell to break down what’s really driving markets, and what could break them. From the GENIUS Act reshaping stablecoins to tariffs putting pressure on the Fed, to the Pump.fun ICO and memecoin mania, nothing is off limits. And with crypto ripping, is it time to ride the rally, or take some risk off the table? Thank you to our sponsor! Bitwise Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Guest: Austin Campbell, founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Unchained: Bitcoin Sets New All-Time High, But Eyes Even Bigger Gains PUMP Traders Make Big Options Bets on the Token Surging Past Its ICO Price Grayscale Files Confidential IPO Paperwork Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 2:22 Why bitcoin is hitting new highs and what’s really driving it 🧘‍♀️ 5:29 Why Noelle says market complacency can’t last forever 🌍 9:06 The surprising way bitcoin looks when you stop measuring it in USD ⚖️ 11:49 Whether this is the moment to de-risk your crypto exposure ⛏️ 16:50 How bitcoin mining stocks are made to be traded, not held, according to Ram 📜 18:57 Austin’s thoughts on the odds of crypto legislation passing this summer 🏆 20:48 Who the winners and losers will be if the GENIUS Act becomes law 💳 24:51 Whether payment giants like Visa are under threat from stablecoins 🚧 29:15 What kinds of firms could actually disrupt the U.S. financial system 💰 34:00 The pros and cons of deposit tokens compared to stablecoins 🌐 37:06 How stablecoin legislation could reshape global macro and finance 🧪 44:32Whether Pump.fun’s ICO was extractive or necessary 🏛️ 56:55 Why Grayscale wants to go public and what that move could unlock 🏦 1:04:15 Whether traditional banks have the talent to win the stablecoin race 🌠 1:08:15 Why Stellar might be the blockchain dark horse in this cycle Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The weeks leading up to Pump.fun’s ICO were contentious: accusations that it was extractive, debates over decentralization, and outrage over allocations. In the end, the company pulled off the third-largest ICO in crypto history, raising $600 million in 12 minutes. The day of, Solana barely flinched under the load, and onchain platforms like Hyperliquid and Raydium left CEXes looking outdated. In this episode of Unchained, Haseeb Qureshi of Dragonfly and Joe McCann of Asymmetric join Laura to break down: Whether this marks the return of ICOs The objections to the small ($10 million) airdrop to creators How Pump.fun’s ambitions could reshape memecoins, and maybe Solana itself And why TikTok might not need to worry just yet Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank Ledn Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner of Dragonfly Joe McCann, Founder, CEO & CIO of Asymmetric Previous coverage on the ICO: Pump.fun’s $1 Billion ICO Has Caused Controversy. Can It Succeed? Unchained: Pump.fun Becomes Third Largest ICO, Raises $600M in 12 Minutes PUMP Traders Make Big Options Bets on the Token Surging Past Its ICO Price Pump.fun Draws Backlash After Confirming PUMP ICO SolanaFloor’s tweet on LetsBonk’s stats The Block: Pump.fun makes first acquisition, purchases Solana-based copy-trading wallet tracker Kolscan Dune Analytics Twitter thread on the PUMP ICO stats Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 3:43 Why Joe says Pump.fun is one of the best crypto businesses he’s seen 📈 6:04 Whether this heralds the return of ICO mania 😤 7:11 Why the raise triggered backlash from parts of the crypto community 💸 8:32 Whether PUMP’s valuation can really be justified ⚙️ 12:10 How the exchange-first design created issues—and why others may copy it 📊 16:15 Whether PUMP’s distribution model helped or hurt its credibility ⏳ 21:43 Why the decision to have no token lockups sparked debate 👾 24:40 What kind of traders actually bought into the ICO ⚡ 32:56 Whether Solana’s performance makes it the new home for ICOs 🏦 37:50 Why Coinbase sat this one out 🔮 44:07 Where PUMP’s price might be headed in the medium term 📉 48:37 How Pump.fun lost some momentum—and what that says about the space 🧠 55:14 How Pump.fun plans to spend its $600 million war chest 📵 57:21 Whether Pump.fun can really take on Facebook 🔥 1:01:46 Why Joe still believes memecoins are just getting started Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the gang is joined by Paul Grewal, Chief Legal Officer at Coinbase, for a wide-ranging conversation on crypto’s next big frontier: tokenized stocks. From Robinhood’s controversial attempt to tokenize SpaceX and OpenAI shares to the legal and structural hurdles around pre-IPO derivatives, the crew dives deep into what it really takes to bring Wall Street on-chain. They also unpack the regulatory momentum behind the Genius and Clarity Acts, the return of ICO mania with Pump.fun’s $1B token raise, and the absurdly viral drama of Suitgate on Polymarket. Is this a new era of regulated innovation—or are we just recreating old problems on new rails? Tune in for sharp takes, legal insight, and a few laughs along the way. Show highlights 🔹 Tokenized Stocks Take Center Stage – Robinhood, SoFi, and Republic dive into pre-IPO trading; is this a financial revolution or regulatory chaos? 🔹 Coinbase’s Legal Strategy – Paul Grewal reflects on Coinbase’s battles with the SEC and what it took to survive crypto’s darkest legal hour 🔹 Pre-IPO Derivatives vs. Real Ownership – The crew debates whether retail is getting access or getting played 🔹 Robinhood vs. OpenAI – The tokenized equity stunt that triggered a corporate backlash and raised eyebrows across the industry 🔹 24/7 Markets, Finally? – Why crypto-native trading hours could break traditional finance 🔹 Pump.fun’s $1B ICO – The return of ICO mania? The team dissects crypto’s most profitable meme machine 🔹 Are Tokenized Stocks Useful Yet? – Tarun challenges the hype: where’s the real utility? 🔹 The Clarity & Genius Acts – Crypto legislation heats up in Washington—can the industry lock in meaningful reform? 🔹 Suitgate Explained – Zelensky’s outfit spawns a scandal on Polymarket: was it a suit or not? 🔹 Market Manipulation, Oracles & Meme Justice – Prediction markets meet internet chaos in the wildest crypto dispute of the week ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Special Guest ⭐️Paul Grewal, Chief Legal Officer at Coinbase Timestamps 00:00 Intro feat. Paul Grewal 01:23 How Coinbase Beat the SEC 04:49 Robinhood, OpenAI & the Pre-IPO Stock Craze 19:38 Crypto Regulation in 2025: Clarity & Genius Act 24:39 Why the Clarity Act Could Define Crypto’s Next Decade 27:10 Pump.fun’s ICO: Memecoin Mania or Market Maturity? 32:25 Suitgate on Polymarket: A Wild Crypto Scandal 39:19 The Future of Prediction Markets Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the first half of this dual episode, Phantom co-founder Brandon Millman joins Unchained to break down why his Solana-first wallet is launching perpetual swaps, and why it chose to integrate with Hyperliquid over any Solana-native option. Then, Bit Digital’s Sam Tabar explains why the public company ditched its profitable Bitcoin mining business, went all-in on ETH, and what happened when he told Michael Saylor. FalconX Sam Tabar, Chief Executive Officer of Bit Digital, Inc Brandon Millman, CEO and co-founder of Phantom Phantom Unchained: Phantom Wallet Launches Direct Perpetual Trading With Hyperliquid Phantom blog post: Introducing Phantom Perps Dragonfly’s Austin Marrazza tweet Bit Digital The Block: Bit Digital swaps entire treasury into Ethereum, says it's now a top public ETH holder after a $173 million splurge Treasury companies Unchained: These 4 Crypto Treasury Companies Are Primed for a Price Crash BitMine Crashes 39% After It Files to Raise $2 Billion for More ETH Timestamps: Phantom 🎬 0:00 Intro ⚡ 1:36 Why Phantom is launching perps—and why now was the moment to do it 💥 6:08 How they landed on 40x leverage 💸 7:48 How Phantom plans to make money from its new trading product 🚫 8:50 Why U.S. users are left out (for now) 🔗 10:36 Why Hyperliquid won out over Solana-native DEXes ⚔️ 12:55 Whether wallets and dapps are headed for a showdown 🪪 17:22 Why Brandon believes wallets will be the new gateway to crypto 📱 18:45 How social features could redefine the wallet experience 🌅 22:45 What Brandon hopes Phantom becomes over the next five years Timestamps: Bit Digital 💥 26:35 Why Bit Digital ditched Bitcoin for Ethereum—and how Gary Gensler played a role 💰 28:31 How they walked away from a profitable BTC mining business 🪙 32:58 Why Sam says there’s no better home for stablecoins than Ethereum 🗣️ 34:09 What came out of Sam’s surprising conversation with Michael Saylor about crypto treasuries 🤔 37:10 Whether ETH’s value accrual model needs a fundamental rethink 📈 42:21 How Bit Digital plans to ramp up its ETH accumulation 🧠 44:40 What their new AI venture is really aiming to do Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Bits + Bips, we examine how rising global trade tensions could impact macro conditions, the Fed’s next move, and market stability. We also explore how investors should position themselves with inflation cooling and an uncertain policy path at the Fed. We then look at what’s happening on the crypto side: volume shifting to tokenized public equities, the growing number of corporate stablecoin plans, and whether the promise of tokenization is matched by meaningful traction. Joining hosts Joe McCann, Ram Ahluwalia, and Steve Ehrlich is Rob Hadick of Dragonfly, who shares his perspective on product-market fit in crypto, shifting market structure, and where real adoption may emerge. Sponsor: Bitwise Joe McCann, Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly LINKS: WSJ: Trump Faces Crucial Week for Reaching Trade Deals EU Still Hopes for Initial U.S. Trade Deal Before Deadline Reuters: Japan, South Korea face 25% tariffs as Trump ramps up trade war in letters to 14 nations CNN: Trump announces new tariffs of up to 40% on a growing number of countries University of Washington: OBBB Signed Into Law Unchained: OpenAI Says Robinhood’s Stock Tokens Are Not Equity Tron Is Now More Expensive Than Ethereum. Will That Hurt Justin Sun’s New Company? AI Crypto Tokens Swoon as Nvidia Reaches a New All-Time High CoinDesk: CoreWeave to Acquire Core Scientific in $9B All-Stock Deal The Block: Bit Digital swaps entire treasury into Ethereum, says it's now a top public ETH holder after a $173 million splurge Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎭 2:05 Why Ram sees the tariff drama as more theater than substance 🎌 7:09 Whether Trump is leveraging tariffs ahead of Japan’s elections 📉 8:17 How low inflation is pressuring Jerome Powell and the Fed’s next move ⚠️ 12:06 Why Rob says the market feels “fragile” right now 🪙 14:52 Whether bitcoin has truly matured into a macro asset 🛡️ 22:16 How to hedge in an uncertain landscape, and what to make of Elon’s political pivot 💵 30:05 Whether Elon Musk is preparing to launch a stablecoin on X 📊 32:26 Why digital asset treasury companies are so volatile, and how these deals really work 🧱 39:44 How the tokenization race is unfolding, and whether innovation is keeping up 🧠 47:47 How to think about investing in the tokenized assets and stablecoin narrative 🕳️ 1:01:47 Whether tokenized equities have any real killer use ⛏️ 1:03:54 What the CoreWeave-Core Scientific deal signals for bitcoin mining 📈 1:13:08 Whether we’re still in a bull market, and if now’s the time to take advantage of dip opportunities Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The race to bring users onchain is heating up, but the competitors couldn’t be more different. Coinbase, a crypto-native giant with deep infrastructure and institutional partnerships, is going head-to-head with Robinhood, a retail-focused fintech now making aggressive moves into tokenized assets and blockchain rails. Their visions overlap (tokenized stocks, perpetuals, custom chains) but the strategies, philosophies, and user bases differ sharply. In this episode, Laura speaks with Diogenes Casares (Klyra Protocol) and Ryan Yi (ex-Coinbase Ventures, CoinFund) to unpack: How these two companies will compete What levers they have to increase their profits How Base became a liquidity black hole for Ethereum Why Coinbase may have already won the “flows” game And how stablecoins, social, and tokenization could decide the winner Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Bitwise Ledn Diogenes Casares, founder of Klyra Protocol and advisor at Patagon Management Ryan Yi, ex Coinbase, Coinbase Ventures, and CoinFund Unchained: Hyperliquid Reignited Interest in Crypto Perps. Can Coinbase and Robinhood Capitalize? Robinhood Is Building Its Own Layer 2 Blockchain Why the Arbitrum Stack Won in the Race to Support Robinhood Chain Why Perps Will 'Eat the World' + Tokenized Stocks - Bits + Bips Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🏦 4:17 What really separates Coinbase and Robinhood’s strategies 🛠️ 6:43 How Robinhood’s new chain should try to compete with Base 🔥 14:49 Why the competition between Robinhood and Coinbase is heating up fast in the U.S. 🤔 16:44 Whether Robinhood can catch up to Base’s head start and network effects 🧱 23:48 Why both companies chose to build on Ethereum—and what that signals 📉 36:04 How launching perps in the U.S. could reshape the landscape for both companies 🎮 44:43 How social features and gamification could give one app an edge 🎯 51:31 Why Robinhood is already working with prediction markets and Coinbase isn’t 💰 55:40 How their product differences impact profits and positioning 🤝 1:05:11 Why Ryan believes Coinbase should’ve acquired Circle 🔌 1:10:48 Why Stripe might be eyeing a crypto integration 📊 1:13:57 How Base benefits with small-cap tokens 🚀 1:18:46 Why Ryan says we’re at a real inflection point for crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, we’ve got two very different stories in one episode. First, Steven Goldfeder, co-founder of Offchain Labs, joins Unchained to explain why Robinhood is rebuilding its product on the Arbitrum tech stack, what it says about crypto’s evolution, and how this could finally bridge Web2 and Web3. Then, Calvin Hamilton breaks down the bizarre $59 million bet on whether President Zelensky wore a suit — and why vague rules, a fateful tweet, and one protocol’s vote could damage Polymarket’s reputation. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Focal by FalconX Ledn Steven Goldfeder, co-founder and CEO of Offchain Labs Calvin Hamilton, Polymarket bettor on the ‘yes’ of the Zelensky dispute. Unchained: Robinhood Is Building Its Own Layer 2 Blockchain Robinhood’s presentation at ETHcc: To Catch A Token Rob Hadick’s tweet on tokenized stocks Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 1:44 Why Robinhood chose Arbitrum and how much control they really have 🧑‍💻 6:38 How Arbitrum Stylus could power better UX for Robinhood and beyond 🌊 10:26 Why liquidity fragmentation is still a major unsolved problem 🧲 11:41 What makes MEV capture so attractive to big players like Robinhood 🏆 13:48 Why tokenized stocks might be the “big prize” on Arbitrum 🌐 16:12 What it means to be part of the Arbitrum ecosystem 📊 18:02 How tokenized equities could change investing and what the risks are 🏛️ 21:11 Why the Arbitrum DAO stands to gain from this partnership 🔧 22:17 How Steven thinks fragmentation can be fixed more easily than most believe 🌉 25:52 Where the crypto-TradFi convergence is headed next 💬 29:40 Why Steven defends Ethereum and calls out the critics of L2s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Jon Charbonneau and Ryan Watkins to unpack the bombshell news of Robinhood Chain—an Arbitrum-based network debuting tokenized U.S. stocks, 3× crypto perps, and that head-scratching $500 K liquidity cap. From riffing on whether proof-of-stake yields are just “money in a box,” to debating Solana’s first U.S. staked ETF, to sizing up the looming perp wars between Robinhood and Coinbase, the crew maps a common thread: corporate chains and regulatory work-arounds are colliding with crypto’s decentralization ideals, forcing builders, traders, and even ETF hawks to rethink where real security, fairness, and opportunity will live next. Show highlights 🔹 Robinhood Chain Revealed – Why the trading-app giant paid up to launch an Arbitrum-based “Robinhood Chain,” starting with 24/5 perpetuals and tokenized U.S. stocks, plus a rumored $500 K–liquidity cap that has Crypto Twitter howling. 🔹 Tokenized-Stock Gold Rush – From Tesla and SpaceX pre-IPO shares to on-chain S&P stalwarts: does 24/7 trading finally make equity tokens stick, or is it just another CFD in disguise? 🔹 Perps Arms Race – Coinbase’s 5-year “quasi-perp” futures vs. Robinhood’s 3×-leverage launch vs. Hyperliquid’s 20× turbo deck—who wins the battle for retail flow? 🔹 Solana ETF First-Mover – RexShares files a staked-SOL C-Corp ETF, beating BlackRock to the punch and testing Wall Street’s appetite after ETH’s lukewarm debut. 🔹 Proof-of-Stake Reality Check – The crew dismantles the “economic security” myth, asks whether validator cartels make inflation rewards pointless, and floats proof-of-governance as the next model. 🔹 Hyperliquid vs. The World – Why a single Tokyo data center is eating CLOB volume, what zk-rollup challengers are planning, and how latency games redefine “decentralized exchange.” 🔹 $2 B Prediction-Market Beef – Paradigm-backed Kalshi clashes with PolyMarket after a viral “little rats” tweet; inside the influencer war and the CFTC license flex. 🔹 Conference FOMO No More – New-York-privileged hosts roast ETH CC in Cannes and declare the age of fly-to-France crypto tourism officially over. 🔹 Reg-Tech vs. Fin-Tech – From transfer agents to T+1 settlement: why outdated TradFi plumbing, not blockchains, still blocks global access to U.S. securities. 🔹 Super-App Skepticism – The panel pokes holes in “super-app” buzzwords and explains why sequencing—product-first, chain-later—matters more than catchy slogans. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guests ⭐️ Ryan Watkins, Co-Founder of Syncracy Capital ⭐️ Jon Charbonneau, Co-founder & General Partner at DBA Timestamps 0:00 Intro 02:59 Robinhood Chain 15:05 Debate on Tokenized Stocks 27:18 Perpetuals (Perps) in the Crypto Market 37:15 Robinhood's New Crypto Traders 39:26 The Solana ETF Approval 41:17 Understanding Staking and ETFs 43:36 The Future of Proof of Stake 46:20 Governance in Ethereum and Other Chains 56:26 Corporate Chains and Validator Selection 01:04:31 Polymarket vs. Kalshi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices